The Daily Zeitgeist - Voter Referendums SCARE The GOP, IDGAF ABOUT THE QUEEN 09.14.22

Episode Date: September 14, 2022

In episode 1330, Jack and Miles are joined by host of When The People Decide, Jenna Spinelle, to discuss… Michigan Ballot Referendum and the Importance of Text Kerning, Hannity: DEMS ARE OUT OF CONTROL LOOK AT ALL THESE CHARGES, The Soft Power Of Expecting You to Give A Shit About the Queen’s Death, The MTA Launches World’s Worst Covid Safety Poster and more!  Michigan Ballot Referendum and the Importance of Text Kerning 50 Million People Stuck In 'Modern Slavery': UN The MTA Launches World’s Worst Covid Safety Poster NY mask mandate lifted on subway and public transportation, Gov. Hochul announces Meet the Mask Force, the MTA’s way to get you to wear your damn mask Sign of the times? MTA removes COVID-era yellow subway mask posters No NYC Subway Riders Got Fined for Defying Mask Mandate in August MTA Will Spend $249M On New Cops to Save $200M on Fare Evasion New York Transit Agency Intentionally Slowing Buses to Punish Riders for Fare Evaders LISTEN: Mercury by Steve LacySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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National Eat-A-Hoagie Day. Hoagie. Go to Uncle Hoagie's. Yeah, National Sober Day, National Virginia Day, National Live Creative Day. There we go. Got it all. Shout out to all of those things. And especially birthday eve for the big.

I'm going to have a hoagie. Are you? Is that your plan? I don't know. A hoagie? Yeah, I don't. You know, I love a hoagie. You know, I love a big grinder, substandard, whatever you want to call it.

Hoagies and grinders. Nice. Is that a song or are you just making that up? Yeah, there's a Adam Sandler song that I believe goes, hoagies and grinders. Oh, yeah. Hoagies and grinders nice is that a song or you're just making that up uh yeah there's a adam sandler song that i believe goes oh he's in grinders oh he's in grinders yeah sloppy joes uh lunch lady come on man aren't you an elder millennial a jam but i was yeah you know what look it's i sometimes because i'm getting older i like to pretend i don't know old shit and i'm like i don't know old shit.

And I'm like, I don't know what that is. Adam Sandler, the guy from Hubie Halloween? That's the only thing I'm familiar with. Oh, he did other things before that? Yeah, I'm 19. I think I follow one of his kids on Twitter or something. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

He's that old actor guy. Oh, Eric's dad. Okay, okay, okay. Anyways, my name's Jack O'Brien, aka it's been a while since the Zeit gang referenced my milky thighs. And it's been a while since I drank Mountain Dew.

Not true. And it's been a while since Jaws I wanted to bite my feet again. And it's been a while since I ran cracked to. That's courtesy of TDC Burner. A little been a while.

Yeah. A.K.A. It's been a while since we did a been a while. A.K.A. So we appreciate that. Speaking of the royal we in honor of the queen who shouts to libby shouts to libby inspiration inspiration truly you know i'm just following the movement of her body around with bated breath i'm just following everyone on twitter being like my mom's surgery got canceled yeah what the fuck and i'm'm like, what is going on? That is soft power.

We might get into that today. No, it's just, they're just like, they're a concept. Massive. Amazing. Truly. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Oh, it's Miles Gray, a.k.a. Wait, actually, let me find the key.

When my whole life's spending. Wait, oh, like, let me just actually let me let me find the key right here. I need my pitch pipe. OK. When my whole life's spending money stoning from the poor. Decades of ascension. I'm without a job no more. Now I get to sit on the throne

But now look at all this shit I own Mommy always said that I'd get to be king someday Now all of my subjects have to do whatever i say now i get to sit on the throne bring me stolen ancient bones all right shout out to king charles cavalier or whatever you call yourself bro bro you're there and you're sitting on the? That's all I think of whenever I hear him. Whenever they say King Charles, I might mind to go King Charles Cavalier. Oh, yeah. I didn't even think about that.

He's King Charles III. He's ruining a great dog breed. Exactly. Anyways, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the list of the new podcast, When the People Decide. It is Jenna Spinelli. Jenna! Oh, thank you both i am so excited to be here i hope i don't have to sing although i could not follow either of those yeah loving the loving the early aughts vibes on the show already yeah and strong that logan's voice a little hard to do oh shout out wopple house that was that was christy

people don't know the streak continues when it's that on point and it's a it's that on point both timely and uh the lyrical the words are all right on beat i gotta guess it's a yamaguchi it's a yamaguchi special shout out big willie uh. Jenna, where are you coming to us from? State College, Pennsylvania. Happy Valley. Happy. Nittany Lions, huh? Mm-hmm. Indeed. Oh, man.

All right. Do you go to the sporting events, the football, or do you just kind of, is that like a monsoon season that passes by your window? Mostly. I mean, literally, I could see the stadium from my house. So, yeah, it mostly does pass by your window mostly i mean literally i could see the stadium from my house so yeah it mostly does pass by my window but uh i was in the the marching band for a couple years when i was an undergrad but uh i would come home and like barely even know if we won or not or what the score was so yeah not not the world's biggest football fan what'd you play in the band saxophone oh shit marching with the sax okay alto yes okay just gotta make sure yeah i think i might i think the tan line from like the neck strap like just went away like two weeks ago from wearing pink tops yeah from those summer like

grind sessions but that was i played in band two and i hated when like that right before the school year starts it's the football team and the band who are like damn we're at school before this shit even starts fuck anyway but laser saxophone tan line removal did you have to get that or were you no i mean no i i wish i would have thought about that which previously would have would have thought about that. I wish previous me would have thought about that. Or you like mask your skin off very specifically with sunscreen. So you just accurately fill back in. Yeah.

Make it look like a bathing suit tan line. There you go. Yeah. Get some like convoluted like harness thing. Right. Yeah. Amazing. Well, we're thrilled to have you here.

We're excited to talk to you about ballot referendums and your new show. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We are going to talk about a ballot referendum, Michigan's ballot referendum, and the importance of text kerning. Yes. Among many other things. But apparently could mean the difference between having rights or not, depending on how someone chooses to litigate that.

Yeah. Bad faith arguments from the Republicans. Yeah. Which I know nobody saw coming. We're going to talk about Hannity, how he's dealing with the many legal challenges to his god emperor. legal challenges to his God Emperor. We're going to talk about the soft power of the mainstream media expecting us to give a shit about the Queen's death.

We're going to talk about the MTA kind of going back on all COVID precautions and just being like, whatever, you do you. This is fun. This is all fun. It's really disconcerting. It's very disconcerting. Yeah. So all of that. Plenty more.

But first, Jenna, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? Yeah. So my search history reveals that although I love to write, I can't spell to save my life. I often words like initiative and bureaucracy and entrepreneurship that I often have to write for my job. Right. You know, autocorrect doesn't even get them. Sometimes I'm so far off. So I'm like Googling words to make sure I spell them correctly. So why I love podcasting can write all you want. And it doesn't matter if it's spelled correctly or not. It's all you have to it's only you that sees your script script yeah i will say i've gotten better at spelling in my old age for somehow i think just like the sheer repetition of getting corrected by by spell like i had given i was like well i'm

never gonna like be able to spell i've never been able to spell bureaucracy for separate yeah and then like just via being told that i was spelling it wrong over and over again i am the proud owner of a knowledge of how to spell bureaucracy and yeah i think a wordle also might have helped oh yeah yeah i'm killer at spelling very short words yeah five words i've i just i think i'm kind of the same but i just more devices of how i pronounce the spelling like like i'm like like when you said initiative i go any atiative and then when you said bureaucracy i said bureaucracy well that is it. The edits on this show are super intense.

Shout out to producer Justin because he has to. Yeah, Miles pronounces things like that. Can you say restaurant again? I mean, rest-tower-rant? Rest-tower-rant. Yeah, that's like honestly how I would get like, because if I go, I would always go phonetically by my ear and I would always just like end up missing a letter. then i was like okay you gotta let's really drill down

these words and just say them how you like be a beautiful you are be a beauty but that's how that's what i say in my as i type i'm like and you are be a beautiful like that's how i get around misspelling shit doesn't like that's not a thing that really ever reaches an audience. But the thing, I feel like the new embarrassment is that we like mispronounce words that we've just been reading in our head incorrectly for decades, you know? Yeah.

That's always rough. Well, you know, it's all about growth. I have hope now after, Jack, after hearing that spelling. Well, yeah,, it's all about growth. I have hope now after, Jack, after hearing that spelling. Yeah, you're a very young person. And Miles, I'm never going to think of those words the same way. Again, I'm always going to go with the Miles phonetic pronunciation. Don't trick yourself saying it right. Just go with what it looks like. Initiative. it right just go with what it looked in it in it's the initiative you know i wish i would have known that before i made eight episodes all about ballot initiatives

it would have made my life so much easier where were you six months are you okay with referendum though yeah actually okay yeah that is a little bit that's that you can wrap your head around that one yeah you don't just like words are weird you just stop using initiative like ballot referendums oh that's so much easier what is something you think is overrated i would have to say getting on an airplane earlier like being the first to board an airplane i know some people might disagree for like overhead bin space but uh i do not want to spend any more time on the plane than i have to especially because i feel like you know especially recently like there've been so many horror stories of like oh we're sitting there for six hours at the gate before

we take off and like all this stuff so why add any more misery to that than you have to so what's your what's your how does your timing work like do you you're like fuck it i'll be in group fuck out of here at the end i don't care like i don't like what's your what's your methodology to ensure that like if you are if you're in an early group you're like you know i'm gonna i'll go with everybody else at the end yeah sometimes i'll do that and it's also like so we have a really small airport in my town and so it's like there are like the planes are so small that your bag doesn't fit in the overhead anyway so everybody always has to like check it plain side and so right i'm just kind of used to that but yeah i just kind of hang out the gate it's it's fun to like watch everybody like jockeying to get you know their premiere status points whatever

you know just like watch all points, whatever, you know, just like watch all that unfold at the game. It's like the, yeah. It's like the equivalent of people like dudes in the key, like when a free throw is about to be shot and they're like, hold on, let me, I'm about to get my box out in front of this box out. Like, yeah. The little arm thing they do where they put their arm on top of each other.

I like to do that with a stranger. If I'm on a plane, just like put my arm above theirs just to make sure they know who's, who's boss. And you're like, what group are you in? They're like, a, you're like,

Oh my, okay. My bad. Yeah. I like to, I like to get in there early, you know, fill up all the overhead space with just every,

everything I have with me. And then just establish a very wide stance in my, in the jacket out of your bag and putting it in there. I definitely like I now, especially with like mask off plane, like riding. I'm like, yeah, I'll go. I'll take as a few breaths in there as I need to now. But in the before times when bin space was at a premium, I was fucking shameless. Like Jenna, I would I will con man my way on to like and if we have any uh armed forces uh people in the military active duty i'm

like yeah right here okay like i gotta get in here bro i see everybody got a fucking rolly bag and i'm not tricking this shit i will steal some valor you're like counting the rolly bags like people card count yes okay that's 45 have you ever done that we're in trouble we're in trouble here i've never done that oh i have i well not like that you know sort of precise but i am like oh i don't like these ratios do you have you ever met people who are such professional travelers like they're like george clunian up in the air like they're like oh yeah i like this flight because it flies in 747 from like this year and like those are actually

really good and like you just want to sit in business class and it is usually like like business people who travel for business a lot and well yeah you got to know what the configuration is up there yeah yeah i'm always like-3? Is it 2-2? It's a surprise every time I get on a plane. I'm like, wow, it's a big one. Wow. It goes up in the air. And yeah, that's the surprise.

I look at the people around me. I'm like, what? Yo! I'm shaking. Oh my god. Where are we going? Yeah. I never been on one of these buses before. What is something you think is underrated? Local news. This is like the soapbox.

like the soapbox the other soapbox i have besides ballot measures is uh people knowing and following and subscribing to their local news like whatever is happening in your city your town whatever i can guarantee you is probably far more consequential to your daily life than like some congressperson from a state you don't live in and like what they're tweeting about yeah that's fine to look at that stuff that's that's great i do it too but try to try to balance that's not your reality how are you following the local news because so los angeles local news like when i hear local news i'm picturing you know a person with a lot of hairspray in their hair reading tv yeah talking to me about violent crimes that have happened in my town. According to my friend, the cop, he says it's really bad and we shouldn't really delve into that statement much more.

It's really bad out there, folks. And then, you know, a puppy or something at the end to keep everybody happy. Yeah, nice feel-good story. Somebody who turns 100 or something like that. So you're saying that is the best thing for us to be imbibing no well i mean that has its place but no i like i'll recommend two organizations um one is called the institute for non-profit news uh it's a listing of like new like mostly online non-profit news sites and the other one is called lion publishers that's

also like a directory of local news startups across the country so they're in big cities rural communities suburbs like people are starting these things up like crazy so that's exciting to see oh and which one of these does jeff bezos song All of them eventually. What? Yes. I mean, yeah. Then how can I trust it? I want him. So these like nonprofits are like coming in and filling the void of all the, you know, local papers and just outlets that were shut down by corporations. Or TV stations that are all like all three of the tv stations in my market are all owned by sinclair broadcasting right i was gonna say right same company yeah and every every anchor is giving some same version of like a op-ed that was forced down their neck hours before air yeah

for sure yeah that's that's good that people are actually filling that gap because it does feel like Facebook is the way that a lot of people have filled that gap. And then, you know, those neighborhood apps that are just like, I saw a stranger. Oh, yeah, next door and all that. They weren't white. I'm scared. This person's car was loud. I think it rattled my window should i call police yeah yeah all right uh let's take a quick break we'll come back and we'll talk about some of the

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yourself is just a click away. And we're back. And let's talk about this Michigan ballot referendum. Three words that I can spell. And the importance of text kerning, apparently. Yeah. So ballot initiatives, referendums, they've got a lot of attention, especially since the Dobbs decision, because, you know, it's the process that allows the voters to propose new laws. If you get enough signatures, say, look, hey, got this idea. There's enough support from the vote from the voting populace. But now let's create an initiative to vote this in and say, well, have the people have their say. We've seen this work in a couple of ways. Sometimes it's for the good of working people. Other times it's like Uber being like, hey man, we're chill. And like, look at these people we put up to saying that

we're a good company and we'll pretend it's them putting this together rather than us. The corporations that are exploiting Uber. Uber drivers put this ballot initiative together. They spent the $200 million. A little bit here and there for every ride whatever sock it away yeah and there's one currently in the u.s or in uh california that

is pitting local indigenous tribes against draft kings and yes i like it's like the 27, right? Yeah. Every NFL game has ads that are like, hey, come on, bro. You want to bet like your friends in other states? Yeah. Sucks that you can't. Well, now you can. Thanks to DraftKings. And then like a very, you know, straightforward ad being like, hey, this really fucks us. And like, you've already been fucking us for so long.

So could you not? Yeah. But you can use a fucking app to vote on aaron rogers okay no thanks but yeah this has been like it's been part of the the political discussion for a minute and in kansas we saw you know this the like ballot referendum deployed in a very cynical way because republicans in the state proposed this constitutional amendment that said the right to an abort a right to an abortion is not enshrined in our fancy state papers constitution and if we vote this in we can say that it doesn't have no one has this right and they thought that they would have a voter turnout advantage unfortunately they didn't factor in the idea that this is just really like not palatable for people who care about their

fucking rights so uh they tried to sneak it through but uh-oh they lose 59 to 41 and it was a huge win for securing health care for people in kansas and the surrounding states where people do not have safe access so it's like it's also these results that have the gop realizing how unpopular their policies of forced birth are so So it makes sense that giving people a reason to vote to secure health care for people would be a terrifying prospect for them. That's one of the reasons why Lindsey Graham is trying to get ahead of it and be like, oh, I'm proposing a federal ban at 15. We'll get to that later because talk about not being able to read the room. So this is where Michigan comes in. The state is pretty balanced in terms of like their political representation, right? Democrat governor,

GOP state legislature, the congressional reps are split pretty evenly between both parties. They voted Obama twice, Trump in 2020. Like they're just, it's a good sort of bellwether, I guess, to see like where the middle of that like curve is in terms of support for safe access for abortion care. And voters are able to get a referendum on the ballot that would enshrine abortion rights up until fetal viability. So they were able to get 750,000 fucking signatures for this thing. You only need 425,000 in Michigan to get something on the ballot. So a good indicator of the kind of support for this. And this has made the anti-abortion crowd very nervous and they did their best to try and get it taken off the ballot because drum roll, please. The text was too close together. So no one knows

what this referendum even means, guy. And they described this very legible text or this bill as being, quote, groupings of letters that are found in no dictionary and are incapable of having any meaning. So please take this off the ballot. And they kind of got the request, but then it went to the Supreme Court and Supreme Court's like, no, fuck out of here. Put that shit back on. Like that was such a such a whack ass reason to have this taken off so if you look i there's a sort of excerpt from the bill and look i'm not gonna lie we were looking i'm like the text is the letters are fuck is so close together it is wild but not to the point where i go this gibberish yeah like there's a whole very legible paragraph just explaining like what what the initiative is and then like three lines down there's one that has like sort of a weird thing happening where they've tried to cram too many words onto the same

line and and it's a mess but you know bad kerning but probably does not invalidate anybody voting for this i don't think anyone was like thrown off and were like, I'm just voting for gobbledygook. That's kind of my thing that I'm passionate about. And they threw me off with this ninth line here. So wait, I'm not voting. There's also like a voter guide that goes out to people. And I have a friend who was just in Michigan on vacation. And he was like, yeah, I mean, this is everywhere. You can't like drive down a road in Michigan or turn on the TV or anything without seeing this. So, yeah, if you are relying on this one particular block of text as your sole source of information, I find that a little hard

to believe. Right. Where does your passion for kind of talking about ballot initiatives and referendums, like what what is your interest in them because i think i'm mostly familiar with them from things like uber like forcing something through or something like that yeah yeah yeah so i mean i uh i really like that it gives like everyday people a voice in politics now as you, like that doesn't always happen. And there, you know, the tool itself is doesn't discriminate that way as to like who can use it. But I think that in situations where the legislature is disinclined to act, but there is something that has broad public support, like we've seen with, you know, marijuana legalization, minimum wage, expanding voting rights, and now reproductive rights. It seems like

I just love that it's not about Team Red and Team Blue or this candidate and that candidate or just a lot of the tropes that tend to dominate our politics. It's like people out there doing stuff and actually fighting for the change that they want to see and building new coalitions in the process. Right. Because it's never stuff like we think we should actually have some redistricting going on that will help Democrats. That's my ballot. And it's like my proposal. No, like you're saying, it really is just like, you know, like with this, like a lot of people are looking at this referendum in Michigan. Right. you know, like with this, like a lot of people are looking at this referendum in Michigan, right? Because both parties are very anxious to see the results of this and kind of understand where the country is on this, even though the polling is very clear on where most people are.

But it just also, you know, it also allows for our leaders to just kind of sit back and not do the right thing that is obvious and be like, well, let's wait for this. So then we can try and triangulate, which is why I think sometimes like these ballot initiatives do help. Like people say, bro, we're way ahead of you. So you know what? Maybe we just need to maybe we need to do something to sort of have a catalyst for the kind of like reforms we're looking for. Yeah.

And I think we're definitely seeing that now because the other big thing on the ballot this fall are several states, particularly states with Republican legislatures, are trying to make it harder for people to use the initiative. They're upping the signature requirements. They're changing the number of votes it needs to pass.

And so they're trying to crack down on this because it has been used to pass, you know, what might be seen as progressive, I'm pointing out in air quotes, policies of minimum wage, Medicaid expansion. So they're trying to take back some of that power that they feel they've lost. Has it been used to like institute higher minimum wage? And yeah. Oh, it has. OK yeah uh medicaid expansion passed in idaho minimum wage passed in florida and i believe one or two other states yeah these things kind of catch on and it has teeth like that changes to yeah like that causes people that's that's great

well and that's why it's so dangerous right because you can enshrine these things into law and then on the other side you can have, wealthy groups of people or industries be like, what if we don't use clean energy? You know, and like, yeah. And what if we word this in a very confusing way? the kerning and how confusing the like writing on three of the lines is that yeah the way that the ubers and you know the republicans in kansas try to convince people to vote their ways by making it extra confusing like some of the california ballot initiatives that i've voted on since living here are you know just negative, like just a mess. And you really do need that voter guide to tell you what's what.

Yeah, it's like verbal gerrymandering or something like that in written form. Yeah, it's always fun. Like when I when I was doing a lot of ballot initiative stuff in California, my in my like political days i remember very like when i first started like and i was very naive and optimistic and i was like what about this but they say it's bad and like one of these like surly like grizzled like you know campaign veterans like look at the fucking print at the end of the ad the fine print that says paid for by it's probably going to have some weird name but it's going to be pretty clear who they side with there and then you can get an idea of who this helps and i was like oh

thank you thank you and also even then i need like scratch paper to like keep track and they're saying no on this so they mean yes on well marijuana cage what also reveals how underhanded you can be when you have a ton of money. You can just create these sham advocacy groups. In Michigan, the group that was trying to repeal this ballot referendum was called

Citizens to Support Michigan Women and Children. That's what that does. I guess that's my question. Is there a bias towards lame ass my question is is there a bias towards lame asses like has there been a bias towards like the bad guys to this point or is it just like i the big famous cases from the last few years have been used for bad purposes that's i you know i think like any political tool there's there's there's both for sure. Yeah. And it is hard to get these things repealed in some cases, especially if it's something that the legislature and the courts want to keep.

Like we in the in the series, one of the episodes is about three strikes in California. Like that was an about a measure passed in the 90s and they've been trying to get rid of it ever since. There's something on the ballot this year there's something else planned for 2024 like they're still trying to reform it or hopefully get rid of it altogether yeah and you know meanwhile lindsey graham is out here talking about now he's not talking about he is saying he's going to introduce a federal abortion ban bill when republicans take the senate and most people are like have you not heard how fucking unpopular that state i don't what are you fucking talking about but since most

decisions at the highest levels are made by dudes that think they are not intergalactic levels of out of touch they believe that this bill helps the gop and what they're doing what they insist on is that they're operating from this framework that they believe it's like by us saying we want a 15 week ban, we're going to sort of we're going to show how we counter the Democrats rack, quote unquote, radical policies of those use words like late term abortions or abortion on demand to try and be like, they'll do anything. They don't care about anybody. And they fail to recognize that their stance is basically you don't have say over your own body. And there's really no way to lighten that up. But, and I think it was Axios, they were saying, quote, Graham's bill is designed to present Republicans as being more mainstream on abortion by pushing a partial ban over either a full ban or what they characterize as democrats quote abortion on demand position so they're like hey we're fine just a little bit of a ban like we're not monsters wink wink wink we are okay we're fucking ghouls um and that's

this is all just it's all tactical just piecemeal shit because at the end of the day, what they want is a total ban. Yeah, so hopefully, I mean, it seems like that's a bad strategy by him. So let's just hope it... Well, he looked so nervous at this press conference. He was like, yeah, they're like, have you talked to Mitch McConnell about this, fam? And he's like, uh, I talked to to these ladies these ladies behind me about it and they were like yeah yeah we talked to it was like very odd i don't know what's going on but it's again not a good look but like we see like time and again like the the decisions that are made by

politicians like on either side like people fail to realize how fucking out of touch they really are and they're like up like, and this is great. And people are like, you just said the Dobbs decision was good because it allowed states to make this decision. Now you're pushing for a federal ban. He's like, well,

the Democrats wanted to, I think he said the Democrats are defining who they are with their bill. So we're defining who we are with this one. Yeah. And meanwhile, other Republican candidates are like furiously trying to remove abortion references from their websites and deleting old social media posts and all this kind of stuff. Yeah. What are some ballot initiatives like victories in the recent past or upcoming that you that you're kind of inspired by and covering on your podcast?

So there was there were a couple in 2018. One was the Amendment 4 campaign in Florida, which restored voting rights to formerly incarcerated people that passed with like 60 something percent of the votes. Like we were saying, some of the minimum wage campaigns and there's been some really interesting ones to curb predatory lending as well, like payday loans and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. So, I mean, not like the sexiest issues. Right. But stuff that like really matters to people. And and of course, I'm following all of the reproductive rights measures closely. And I think that, you know, depending on what happens in Michigan, if the right to abortion is upheld in the state constitution, I think we could see that it tried in other states, kind of like marijuana, like started in Colorado and

California. And now it's like it's on the ballot in like Nebraska and Oklahoma and all these places. And so I think that, you know, we could definitely see that become part of the reproductive rights strategy moving forward. Nice. All right. Let's talk Hannity real quick. Oh, man. And yeah, he's basically trying to list all of the crimes that Donald Trump is accused of as proof that everybody else is crazy and that Donald Trump is like being persecuted. He's being persecuted, man. Like Pontius Pilate. Wait, no. Barabbas.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you got Pontius Pilate over here. Merrick Garland just doing whatever he wants to. But, you know, this has been a fucking wild week. Like just in the last couple of days, right?

Like just beyond the Mar-a-Lago classified documents thing. There are new subpoenas for Trump's like that in regards to like Trump's fundraising like practices with his super PAC, potentially opening up some like wire fraud charges. Forty dum-dums got subpoenaed by the DOJ for their part in the fake electors plot. Get over here, dum-dum. Hey, dum-dum, here you go. Nice try, dummy. Hey, you Boris Epstein. Yeah, there you go, you dum-dum.

You've been served. Fuck out of here. And also the Senate Judiciary Committee announced they would be investigating Trump's like misuse of the DOJ as like his like attack dog that's just in the last two days okay so hannity's like what's going on they're doing everything they can and in this he he goes down this list of all of these fucking crimes he's being investigated for as if to say they they're just so obsessed with this guy aren't they but it it's like the worst cell phone i guess that you could see because it's wild to see this list of charges go by you

can't fucking believe it or is witch hunt the emoluments clause investigation from the house oversight committee a house ways and means investigation into trump's taxes another house investigation into trump's hotel lease another House investigation into Trump's hotel lease. Another House investigation into foreign gift disclosures. A D.C. probe into Trump's inauguration fundraising. Another similar investigation from the Southern District of New York and the Eastern District of New York and from New Jersey's attorney general. One impeachment investigation into a regular phone call with Ukraine. A second impeachment investigation into January 6th.

To a regular phone call. Just no bias there. He was having a perfectly fine. It was an excellent phone call. You are supporting a con artist. Does that maybe maybe maybe that's the answer to the number of crimes that people are no no no no he's not a pathological someone who has used every amount of power he's gotten to bully and commit more crimes and he we made him the president of the united states

it's it's bonkers. He commits crimes like other people breathe. This doesn't surprise anyone except you. Get over it. The emoluments clause. Whatever the fuck that is. He's just in the wrong place at the wrong time. 50 different times.

I mean... He's really the John McClane of the Bruce Willis and Die Hard kept showing up at these places that would get terrorist attack. That's like terrorist attack. It, I think, is the correct conjugation. That's the doctor. Yeah, he got terror. He just kept showing up at places where people were doing fraud and crime and then joined

in on it because of peer pressure yeah he's just uh he's just got to get new friends you know i think is the deal there but yeah this is all i mean i'm i'm really curious to see how when sean hannity begins to intersect with a lot of these investigations that's what's always interesting with like him and even like lindsey graham earlier we're like there's a lot of smoke around especially with lindsey graham where he's like i don't want to testify about how i may have meddled in shit in georgia yeah just uh i don't know everyone is waiting with bated breath to see uh if anything happens to be honest i think that's really what it is it's not like oh when's it happening it's like is it gonna anything or like lindsey graham like look at this abortion ban over here so you're not

looking at all this other stuff over here don't talk about me being you know indicted maybe i don't know look maybe this will be a smoke bomb that will distract everyone but i think at this point it's just getting him a lot of people just confused and like this this guy fucking stinks this guy stinks yeah and he's even gesturing at a thing that is like politically a loser for him but just anything to anything to make noise and you know rile people up but this does the the abortion ban really really does seem to be a loser for them, and they don't seem to be able to come to grips with that. Yeah. Oh, Lindsay, I just saw this clip went up. I don't know what it says, but Mitch McConnell has just been asked about Lindsey Graham's abortion ban. So maybe this will be good. Maybe it won't. But I just want to play it to hear what Mitch McConnell has to say.

Lindsey Graham has this 15 week abortion ban if you take up take the senate he's being asked if you take the senate we put it will you commit bring it to a vote entirely to the states well with regard to his bill you'll have to ask him about it in terms of scheduling i think most of the members of my conference prefer that this be dealt with at the state level that's someone who listens to the polls and also don't make me sleep in the middle of that sentence well yeah he's look i mean look if mitch is sweating too man he's losing control also you'd love to see it but also it's at everyone else's expense so i don't know what to make right all right do we have anything that like leads point points to hannity being involved other than just

the fact that he was like allegedly trump's like number one advisor that oh they they were i mean yeah they're apparently him and many fox people right wing news people come up in text messages that have been you know obtained by the DOJ or the committee. So I don't know. But it could just be stuff where like we've seen was like, hey, man, tell Trump to knock it off, man. It's a bad look. Or if he's really also, you know, if it gets a little bit more insidious than that. Not sure.

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Just everything is just about where her body is right now. Like this is we're recording this on the day that her body was being transported and like the queen's body or the queen says goodbye to scotland for the last time and just this like false solemnity or maybe they are solemn maybe they are really like broken up about this shit but it's i don't know it it seems like everybody I know is looking at this and being like, still, they're still talking about this shit. Like, yeah, just anything to talk to not talk about what's going on in this country. I'm sure. It looked like MSNBC just took a black suit vacation to London.

Yeah. The channel round the clock is like Katie Turr. I need the people just all black oh and then we're oh this is balmoral oh this is this is king charles acting like an absolute child losing it over a pen every bloody time these stinking things shut i don't give a fuck is that what he said have you seen that clip where yeah the the clip where he dusts it away. No, he's signing and he's getting so mad. He's like, I've said the wrong date.

Is it the 12th or the 13th? I can't. Hold on. I'm going to pull it up because he is very whiny about a pen. And then I guess he may have gotten ink on his hand. And Camilla's like, oh, no. Hold on. I'll play it to you. And this is on CBS's main Twitter account.

They're like, check out him signing this piece of paper. Oh, God. I put the wrong date down. 13. Yes, sir. You signed the 12th earlier. She said, you signed the 12th earlier. Oh, God. It's going everywhere. The pen, it's going everywhere.

And then people are rushing in to take the pen from her and help him wipe his hands like somebody just walked into the room with a revolver. Did you hear that? What? I can't bear this bloody thing. I can't bear this bloody thing. What they do every stinking... What they do every stinking... He's talking about a fucking fountain pen.

Shut the fuck up, dude. Oh my god. That's the bane of your fucking existence. Oh, this bloody thing. I'm now the fucking king. Every stinking time. Can't bear this bloody thing. It's tiring.

I don't know. It's exhausting. Yeah, it's truly exhausting to witness. And it is interesting to see the mainstream media continue to just press and press and press and like make, you know, pretend like we give a shit. And that, look, I'm I'm going to continue to use the fact that the queen died as an excuse to cancel social engagements and like playdates for my kids or like meetings that I miss at work. Right. social engagements and like play dates for my kids or like meetings that i miss at work right that's because i'm a lazy and bad person and i'm not gonna sit here and pretend like this is not a great excuse because the mainstream media has given us license to do that but right i it just

feels so i i feel like we this story is a new level of like out of step with how people actually feel. And because we have social media, we're able to at least have other people. We can boo and like see other people booing, like hear other people booing. Like the young man that was arrested for calling Prince Andrew a sick old man. Yeah. It's not just the accidents when the cnn reporter is like and how devastated are you and the woman's like uh not at all sorry i'm not into fucking not really fucking with all that yeah like oh okay fair point uh

moving along but yeah i know i i feel like maybe the the news anchor is just they've been in ukraine with their north face fleeces on for like six months. Maybe they just wanted a break, put on their nice clothes for a little bit before they go back there. And the story about Jeff Bezos quote tweeting CMU professor Carnegie Mellon, which, you know, Carnegie Mellon is the name of the university. So Professor Dr. Uju Anya, who said she was glad the queen was dying, hoped she experienced pain. And Jeff Bezos quote tweeted that and said, this is someone

supposedly working to make the world better? I don't think so. Wow. He's scared. It's just... Because we don't have gods. I don't think so. It's so funny. I think this is the thing, right? Us not giving a fuck. I mean, look, it's just because we don't have i don't think so it's so funny i think this is the thing right us not giving a fuck i mean look it's one thing for us to be in the united states not give a fuck about the queen that's its own thing but like for most people to not give a fuck especially

people from like the commonwealth and former colonies it's like just an acknowledgement that's like we don't have gods right like we don't think this is a god this is a monarch well right or whatever it is. Gods and kings. These concepts that we have people in positions that make them fucking untouchable or that we would never dare to speak ill of them. A lot of these other people think they are. Right. You know, like Jeff Bezos does probably consider himself on some level like this exalted person.

And it's probably how he rationalizes why he has so much money. Because I'm doing something great. and this is how they would talk that's how you make the world better no i make the world better because i'm making a spaceship for three people that i get to ride around on and go right and it would be it would be really like we talked about this i think maybe in the trending episode that the the idea that they might not be able to control their legacy in after death is probably one of the most horrifying things where they're like are people gonna see walk on my grave well yeah even in life like i feel like he's feeling panicked because this is the destabilization of the same unspoken rules that keep him

cosseted away from criticism. You know, like he is someone who has accumulated immoral wealth and spends all his time thinking of ways to protect that wealth by maiming people without consequence for the purposes of like purely greed and maintaining his power so like anything that is like chipping away at the armor of people just being like

it's have some decency folks and even carnegie melling university came out like disavowed her tweet which is very fucking frustrating like this is supposed to be a a institution of higher learning and instead they're like we we're all for personal expression but for some reason not in this case yeah because jeff bezos called it out yeah could you imagine he's like i might have to withhold that endowment if you don't tweet something that makes me feel good about my little spat i had with the person who was correct yeah but i think it's like many other things man like we hold these we can't like america can't reckon with its like fucking foundation of violent colonization and slavery like we cannot fucking talk about that like

plainly yeah like, you're extreme. And it's the same shit. Like, they feel that some institutions are unassailable. And to begin to deconstruct that, I think, is the first steps to people unshackling themselves from these fucking fake ass histories that we tell ourselves to be, like, fine with everything that's happening. The number of enslaved people is growing currently like that. The United Nations had set a goal to eradicate all modern slavery by 2030. Between 2016 and 2021, the number of people in forced labor or forced marriage grew by 10 million because we were seeing increased inequality and because of climate change, which is, again, caused mainly by massive corporations being not held accountable, like the exact same shit that Jeff Bezos is

benefiting from and worried about when he decides he's going to come down and, you know, police the speech of somebody around the death of the queen. Like, it makes a lot more sense like once you kind of think about it in the context like capitalist power isn't just enforced through human caging although that is like the main way it's enforced but it's also through instilling in us like values that make the monarchy or you know jeff bezos or presidents seem decent and pleasant and you know speak to when you when you internalize that shit it ends up speaking to you in your own thoughts like when you're when you're alone you're like outnumbered because these ideas have are things

we've like grown grown up around they're they're like showing us beautiful images of this like polished jet taking off from scotland and like that's what we associate with this old racist woman who was like you know forcing enforcing a bunch of regressive values her whole life right i think that's the and i think that's kind of part of it. Right. Is like we, for, for like sort of capitalism and inequality to keep moving at the speed that it does more like regular people can't look at someone with extreme wealth and see that that's on the,

that, that that's born out of a ton of suffering. Yeah. That it's not just like, I'm so rich. Wow. It's I fucked over a lot of people to get this shit. It's fucking ugly.

And I think that's the thing that's happening right now. So many people are like, you want to talk about the fucking monarchy right now? And people are like, we just like the Disney version where there's a king and a queen and prince and princesses and we know nothing of subjugated people or stolen land and i think to connect them so vividly is really fucking it's

fucking up people who want to hold on to this idea that like it's just like no it's like this fine it's like it's a ceremonial or whatever no it's not it's it's an institution that's responsible for untold suffering that's what it is and i think that's we're we're trying to avoid that conversation by just talking about how she loved Balmoral where she could get away from the press. Right. Yeah. And it is regressive. I mean, the values that she represented are regressive. They're not progressive. progressive they are like a part of a really brutal dark past and for a american university to come through and be like yeah we're we think you should be nicer to her this is right it's pretty wild yeah also like it's not like uju anya was like i'm just firing off a hot take she's nigerian you know anything about history like that's the other thing people aren't connecting to all these people like especially on the day of the death people like i can't believe people from these like from the commonwealth would say

something like this like you really have no fucking idea really all right finally let's talk about this new mta poster that is literally going up in New York subways is up already. So for context, there was a poster that went up during the pandemic that was yellow with like black kind of smiley face stick figures that said, how to wear a mask, cover your nose and mouth.

And the first one was somebody wearing it around their chin. Nope. Then somebody wearing it around there on their nose, not covering their mouth. Not quite. Mouth, not nose. Try again. And then showing somebody wearing it right. That's the one.

Fine. Like well-designed poster. Now New York has put out a poster that is the same thing, except now it says masks are encouraged, but optional. And then it shows the person wearing it correctly. And it says yes. Then it shows the person wearing it with their nose exposed. And it says yes over the nose, but not the mouth. You do you.

And then the person without a mask on it says yes. And then it says let's respect each other's choices. So this is just diversity of opinion we have to have a nice wide diversity of opinion and if my opinion is that i should be able to sneeze on your elderly immunocompromised relative with my COVID germs because I feel like it. Because then like, hey, you do you. That's my choice. And that's why you can't

fucking talk to me about it because it's my choice and it doesn't affect anybody else because it's my choice. Oh wait, it does affect other people? Yeah. It's really, it's weird to make a meme that's announcing we don't give a fuck anymore yeah that really seems to be written it's a parody of their own like how they felt during the pandemic and it just it feels dangerous like on for a number of reasons just

on a very specific like health policy level but it also feels like it's in a category that we've talked about of these stories where like the right wing kind of fascist version of the story eventually wins out quietly in the mainstream media in terms of like how the mainstream media and mainstream culture view it. I'd put it in the category with like cops claiming that the protests of 2020 caused the murder rate to go up and the idea that giving people money during the pandemic is causing inflation. It seems like the mainstream media is to react to public outrage and public opinion in the moment with like a lot of energy but then after the fact to like sort of correct the record after our attention has kind of moved on and there's no longer the groundswell

of energy and emotion right yeah so like they're they're on board with criticizing the police while there's energy for it but then they come back and falsely report statistics that suggest criticizing the police is causing people to murder people or that they're... Hey, that's what my buddy the cop told me, who's my source for my crime reporting. Yeah. It's...

The mask sign reminded me of, I don't know if either of you have ever been in a Sheetz convenience store gas station. It's popular in the mid-Atlantic region, Pennsylvania, Maryland, West Virginia, North Carolina. So they're like a pretty right wing kind of company. But in the first year of COVID, they had signs up. They're like, yeah, masks suck.

But like, we're legally obligated to tell you, you have to put this on. It was literally like, we are if we don't do this, we're going obligated to tell you you have to put this on. It was literally like, we are, if we don't do this, we're going to get sued. That was like the subtext of their messaging to ask people to wear masks in their stores. Are they named after what they like to wear when they go out riding on horses at night? Yeah, I don't know.

And so the story with these these with like the subway in particular is that like the police have never enforced mask mandates on the subway and now especially like the police have never worn their masks on the subway. Like those signs that were being like, hey, could you please wear your mask correctly, were the closest we had to actual policy being enforced because the police did not, when there was a fine associated with not wearing a mask, the police admitted they issued very few, quote,

of these fines, despite the fact that more than one in ten riders were unmasked at the height of the pandemic and the cops were usually the ones not wearing the mask yeah that was like the meme i felt like on new york twitter was like just people taking pictures of cops like maskless even though they're like i thought the policy was different fellas but while the mask mandates were not enforced they continued to aggressively target fare evasion. Yeah, good. Good.

Because you know what, Jack? The MTA is losing so much money from people stealing. Actually, it would be cheaper if they didn't do that. Okay, let me see the map. In 2019, it was reported that the city wanted to spend $250 million cops to save 200 million in fair evasion so okay so you're spending 50 million how about this pay me 50 million like what the fuck yeah it's like the the idea that i think a lot of people believe that like this is all to try and like make things run more smoothly like the mta is literally slowing down service in order to fight ferry evaders by not opening rear bus doors.

So it's that they're making everything less efficient in order to fight poor people and, you know, basically make it easier to cage poor people. And I'm sure. Yeah. I mean, obviously, like you're talking about how the right wing version or like perspective on a story wins out. And, you know, basically make it easier to cage poor people. port if they're not able to work or if they are immunocompromised and shouldn't expose themselves to something that could like terribly wreck their health and we would have to have that because if we give a fuck about mass then we need to continue that momentum if we're like no it's all good then right you're already operating from a position if someone says well what about this like well it's all good you don't gotta worry it's all good like it's up to you it's really up to you it's

really up to you it's up to you and it's every single time it's just sort of like well what about diversity equity and inclusion they're like we said that up until like september 2020 and then y'all moved on the world series or some shit happened and then we got to fucking slither back into our cave holes and act like nothing was happening because it is like you're saying the energy is like you're driving a car. And everyone's like we want to go to McDonald's. Or like we want minimum wage. You're like alright I'll put the car in that direction.

And everyone's like yay. And it's like are they asleep? Alright we're going back to fucking Home Depot. Like that's fucking fine. It's like sort of the ebb and flow of these. These moments in our culture. But yeah it's disheartening. It's just like. We're reducing the risks of the pandemic. these moments in our culture, but yeah, it's makes you make it dis it's disheartening when it's, it's just like,

like we're reducing the risks of the pandemic and already talking about how many people are having, like suffering from long COVID and how that's actually a dimension of, uh, the labor force diminishing because of people suffering long COVID, but we're still in a, you do you. Yeah.

Like phase. Yeah. You do you. Well, and also like the, like people are still confounded by like why there's no one to fill open jobs like hello. You know, it's like, oh, yeah, it's like sort of like amnesia between like not connecting these stories together. I don't know why there's nobody to work. It's because of the great resignation. Everybody thought they could do better.

But as this Wall Street Journal story proves, they're all sorry. There's so many. Yeah, the quiet quitting war. There are more articles keep coming back that are like employer clapbacks. Oh, you think you got power it's like wow

okay okay this will be an ongoing story i'm sure i feel like company towns are coming like they're gonna they're gonna they've got so much power at this point in the united states that amazon's already kind of getting near that yeah yeah yeah they There. But I think they'll probably become more and more popular because they just get the benefit of the doubt way too easily in the mainstream media. Jenna, on that light note, it's been such a pleasure having you. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Yeah. So I'm on Twitter at Jenna Spinelli. My podcast is When the People Decide at The People Decide Pod. And I work for the McCourtney Institute for Democracy at Penn State, democracy.psu.edu. Nice. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Yeah. So to take us all the way back to where we started talking about planes,

have you all seen the thread about the bulldog with diarrhea? Yeah, running up and down the aisles. I spent a good 10 minutes talking about that yesterday. Oh, I was wondering if I might be a day late, a dollar short on that one. That and I also I'll shout out a newsletter I've been enjoying lately called Snack Stack. It's written by a writer that I know in Minnesota named Doug Mack. He goes like real deep on the history of snack foods like toaster strudels and those like peanut things like candy peanuts, all kinds of stuff. I'm not really doing him justice, but it is fascinating.

If you're looking for a new rabbit hole to go down, check out the Snack Stack newsletter. Okay. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Man, find me on Twitter and Instagram at milesofgray. If you like basketball, check us out on Miles and Jack Got Mad Boosties, the official NBA podcast.

Also, if you like 90 Day Fiance, come check out my unofficial podcast. It's called 420 Day Fiance with Sophia Alexander. You know what time it is. It's loud in there. Now, some tweets I like. I like a couple videos on TikTok are hitting good. First one is from a lot of people were showing uh reactions of like little girls watching the little mermaid trailer this one is like amazing is this this white girl this white girl's watching

but what she says at the end is just fantastic i'll play the end so she's watching the whole teaser and she's just saying that fantastic line and then she's about to look at the camera to react at her mom. She's just like, wow. Was it just me or was that with Whitney Houston? Was it just me or was that Whitney Houston? Yeah, yeah i mean the way she was hitting those lines i wouldn't be mad at you and then this other one is from at only zans but he it's this guy this guy who's like watching domino videos on tiktok and he's responding to them by like just saying what his emotional state is as he watches the the dominoes and it's somehow as only zans describes

it he described every feeling I have like I was having at the exact same points so this is him watching a little dominoes that go around please hurry up I've seen this swirl I want to see something else

if something interesting doesn't happen in the next two seconds watch this I swear to go I like that the video's two minutes and the whole thing is just like oh come on single lanes and he doesn't even know

anything about like everything just like what are these but it's just it's on point and yeah fantastic video. All right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien on Miles and Jack. I'm at Boosty's, the dumbest NBA podcast that is officially made with the NBA. Maybe the dumbest NBA podcast, period.

Yeah, for sure. There was a tweet. Somebody today years old. Tweet. I was today years old when I found out. Tweeted, just now finding out that rabbits can swim. Also learned their ears go into swim mode when they do. This is news.

And then a video of a rabbit swimming. And yeah, their ears like kind of tuck back against their body. And then Cy tweeted, I asked my husband if he knows rabbits can swim. And he casually says, yeah, President Jimmy Carter was attacked by a giant swimming rabbit. I'm sorry, what? And that is a true fact that you should go look up the story. Jimmy Carter had had a very strange. Well, first of all, he believes that he has encountered extraterrestrial life and like says that but also he had a very strange encounter with a swamp rabbit that

was massive and swam up to his boat while he was out like canoeing tried to attack him true king jimmy jimmy carter and then simon sheer tweeted i guess there's a m plus one article on barbara erenreich and tweeted a quote from her to engage in political struggle is not just frightening frightening it is painful because power is not just out there it is also a voice in your own head which is the quote i was thinking of when i was asking myself why the fuck this non-stop queen queen's death coverage so anyways You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page

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lacy album is fantastic if you know about him he's fantastic guitar player producer uh this is a track off there called mercury and he's like such a versatile artist like you know he obviously just killing like soul r&b guitar licks and stuff but this is like a little more latin throwbacky and he does it really well but with with a modern twist. So this is Mercury by Steve Lacey. Alright, well go listen to that. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app

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