The Daily Zeitgeist - We STAN Standard Time, Trollin’ With NFTs 3.21.22

Episode Date: March 21, 2022

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It's a podcast, this one, where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Monday, March 21st, 2022, which of course means that it's National Corndog Day. It's National Certified Nurses certified nurses day also you know what i fucked up that's what saturday is that's all right it's international color day and world puppetry day okay i love both of those things color also colorful puppets national french bread day national california strawberry day and Down Syndrome Day. We got it all today. Okay. Shout out to all of those things.

It's Monday, but it's not Saturday. People putting in work for the Downs community in America. Awesome. Well, Miles, I haven't introduced you yet, so I'm not going to... You know, we've only done this a thousand times.

My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Take me down to the KFC where the colonel's pretty and the candles are gravy. Oh, won't you please take me down? Under. That is courtesy of Warren the Werebear. Everybody's favorite werebear. And also in honor of Australian's

KFC tasting menu where the kernel does look very pretty on the stenciled plate that you're supposed to lick and the gravy candles are a revelation. A revel-ay-, as we put it, because I use that word so often that I have to shorten it.

Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! The apple bottom eat in all of the core. Her majesty was looking disturbed. The way I bite, the way i bite the way i bite that apple button i start low low low low low low low low shout out to rum ham mcduck on the discord because yeah we start the app we start the apples from the bottom okay that's how we eat them not from the sides we eat it straight from the bottom to make onlookers disturbed. This is the new, I know, and our guests, right? Another time I've said something and the guest is just aghast without saying anything, talking about eating apples from the bottom.

Bottom up. So anyway. Yeah, bottom up. Yeah. Not top down. You feel me? Not top down like a good organization. Bottom up.

No, bottom up. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a brilliant actress, writer, podcaster, educator. It is the brilliant, the talented Karama Donkwa! Karama! Hello, hello. Thank you. I didn't prepare an AKA.

I should have. I've been here before. I want to be cool like you guys, but I can't match your singing prowess. Thank you for having me again. Have you? Yeah. Cool is definitely the operative word. Very, very cool. What you've just witnessed here at the start of our show. Very legal. I'm also the only person not wearing a hat. And I feel like rude that I didn't get that memo. And you eat your apples from the side. I'm

assuming based on your reaction to that song I was singing. Oh, I don't eat apples because I like to fight doctors. I have a tiny apple today, guys. It's my mid-record snack. I didn't even think about it. Yeah. I could probably eat it in like three bites, I think. But I don't know.

I still have yet to try the bottom-to-the-top method of apple eating. So maybe it'll happen. Maybe it'll happen live to tape on this podcast. I feel like the way that you eat a food is very important. And I just, I think it's wrong. I think it's wrong to eat it from the bottom up. It feels very wrong. These are the kinds of guests we have on that just challenge the paradigm as we know it, you know, and push us further and further out and saying, you know, there's no wrong way to eat an apple.

And it just looks wrong. Well, like I, so I bit into a Kit Kat once, just like the whole thing, and it didn't taste right anymore. It just wasn't a Kit Kat. Right. Like, oh, you didn't break them apart. You're just like big bite through all four. Big bite through all all four of them yeah it looks like a pan flute made of chocolate that's right it's for my it's for my music college karama you are uh where are you coming to us from i'm coming to you from Chicago currently. New city for me. I like it so far.

It's nice. A lot of buildings. Great for it. Happy for Chicago and all of its buildings. Yeah. Yeah. Did you get to witness any of the St. Patrick's Day madness? I was here on St. Patrick's Day.

So a little shenanigans. I'm not a big drinking holiday celebrator. So I was just like minding my business. I actually got my passport renewed on St. Patrick's Day. You know, the craziest activity. So I spent most of my day in the passport office. But me and the passport office guy are really great. Shout out to Frank at the passport office in Chicago.

But you're in LA or you're in California most of the time, right? Like you live in California, right? are really great shout out to frank at the passport office in chicago wait wait but you you're in la or you're in california most of the time right like you live in california right and so but you're like i gotta handle my passport shit while i'm in chicago so here's the thing i'm stupid so what i should have done is just did it in la because i didn't do my u.s passport i did my ghana passport and there are four places in the United States where you can renew your Ghana passport. And one of them is Los Angeles. But I was like, you know what? I'm in Chicago. I don't have anybody here that's trying to hunt me down that needs anything from me. So I'm just going to do this very important errand while I'm in Chicago. Don't ever do that. That's crazy.

I don't know why I did that. It just felt like you were so comfortable there. I'm like, damn, look at you really feeling this. And I'm like, damn, look at you, really feeling this in. I'm like, yeah, I handle some of my federal passport business while I was in town. It's the dumbest thing I think I've done all year. Right. And nobody peed on your shoe or anything like that? You made it through the Chicago St. Patrick's Day celebration without anybody, just somebody breaking a window in front of you? None of that?

I'm the problem on St. Patrick's Day, which is why I don't really celebrate, because I don't like the Celtics. And there's a lot of people wearing Celtics jerseys on St. Patrick's Day, because they are green. And so, like, in 2014, I almost started a fight with a dude at a bar in LA, because I was like, you can't wear that here. You don't do that here. And he was blessedly like, okay, ma'am.

Right, right. They're like, you're at my bar on St. Patrick's Day. I had one drink on St. Patrick's Day. I went and got ramen and had one drink. I had like drink on St. Patrick's Day. I went and got ramen and had one drink. I had like an old-fashioned. And I did see a guy in a Larry Bird jersey. And I was feeling feisty after my one old-fashioned. And I was like, oh, it's on.

Have you been watching Winning Time on HBO? No, I haven't. About the Showtime Lakers? Oh, man, there's some good. If you want to get like energized by like people not liking the Celtics, there's some good scenes in there where I'm like yes tell me just cracked her knuckles like she was like oh yeah we're going in i i am a fellow celtic despiser so there's no reason for me to hate this this rivalry has basically been dead since larry bird and magic john Johnson retired same there's literally no reason

it's just the thing I hold on to it's my hobby I had beef with Danny Ainge he's gone and I'm still like man I still really do not like this team I don't know what it is you always bring that up you're like I thought with Danny Ainge I thought it was gonna be gone well I always bring it up on this show you should talk to my therapist you know know, they're like, that's all I talk. No. Also, I know there's a listener named Alicia from Boston who's going to be in my mentions right now. Because whenever I bring up Alicia, I love you. I love the people of Boston.

Alicia, you get the pass. And you know what? My dislike of the Celtics. I don't know. I mean, don't come into my house wearing that. The people of Boston. Some people in Boston are great. I don't know. I mean, don't come into my house wearing that. Some people in Boston are great. Boston as a city, though, does have a reputation for being a little bit racist.

A little bit. I've heard I heard I heard a few things from the history books. I should not give the global pass to the people of Boston. That's probably a little much, but there are great people in Boston. No city deserves a global pass, I think. No. Oh, definitely not Los Angeles. No, no, no. I'm from a trash city, too.

Yeah, right. Chicago's great, though. Thanks, Chicago. Chicago is great. Honestly, yeah, my grandparents are from Chicago, so I'll give some people the grandparent blanket packs. Yeah, yeah. If you're a grandparent in Chicago, great.

There it is. Boom. Boom. We honor you. All right. We are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment, Karama. But first, we are going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We're talking about standard time as opposed to daylight savings time.

time as opposed to daylight savings time this bummed me out a little bit because my instinctively i prefer daylight savings time but i think it's from a selfish point of view and so we're going to talk about some people are saying we should not have frozen the clocks at daylight savings time we should have frozen at standard time standard yeah which makes sense i guess it is the standard it is the standard. It is the standard, but it's only like four months out of the year that we're in standard time. I never know what time it is. And I have to say one of my pet peeves is that when people write what time zone, they usually write PST, EST, no matter whether we're in daylight savings time or not. And I'm like, words mean things.

Guilty. Just write PT and ET. There's a fix for it. Yeah. That's a great point. Because what, PSE is Pacific Standard Time, right? Right. But we're in PDT right now.

Okay. I do all of mine with Greenwich Standard Time and then plus minus, you know, however many hours it needs to be. So you go off GMT, Greenwich Mean Time? Yeah, Greenwich standard time and then plus minus you know however many hours it needs to be so you go off GMT Greenwich mean time yeah Greenwich mean time in Ghana they say GMT stands for Ghana man time because nothing

start on time over there we're gonna talk about some controversy on the Grey's Anatomy writing team I guess we're gonna talk about NFTs, baby. They're back. They're back.

Have you heard about these things? You seen these? So we're going to talk. There's a Pepe NFT, and then there's an article in Jackabin that's talking about how the crypto world tends to go in one political direction when it comes to who benefits from these, specifically toward the right. It favors the right.

Oh, that's the one. I didn't want it. I know. So we'll talk about why that is plenty more. But first, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history okay all right so i just want to preface this by saying this is again the third time i've been on this show thank you for having me back and every time i'm like i'm gonna search something that makes me seem mysterious and then i forget so you really do get my unadulterated search history so what i've chosen today is something i searched yesterday and i searched why do pickles get to be pickles? Because pickled cucumbers, we in the United States call pickles.

And I'm like, well, you can pickle other things. So why do pickles get to be pickles? And I read an interesting article from PBS just about pickling. And I learned a lot about pickled objects and how pickling is a very old practice. And basically, it's just kind of the thing that we pick, we pickle the most in the United States. So that's why we call them pickles and that they were very easy to travel with because you can just like pull out a pickle and walk around with it.

Right now, you know, our very brilliant super producer, Becca Ramos, just said, I was going to be like, all right, that's, you know, very brilliant super producer becca ramos just said i was gonna be like all right that's you know that's a thought nobody else has ever had before but the super producer becca was like i was just thinking about this the other day thank you becca for being in my corner but this supremacy yeah this has big like either three-year-old thought or thought I would only have when I was too high thought energy to it. I'm leaning more towards three years old because I feel bad for the other things that are not getting called pickles. Why doesn't kimchi get to be called pickles? Right. Because it has a nice name.

It does have a nice name. You know what I mean? I think pickles would do kimchi a disservice. So in a way, pickles, I'm actually, when it comes to pickles, do you ever have half sour pickles? No. Where they're like halfway between going full pickle and they're still a little bit cucumber-y. That sounds like a bad cucumber. That's what I thought at first, but it has like this other tech,

this quality to it that I really enjoy. Then like a full on green, you know, like swamp green kind of pickle out of barrel kind of thing. But anyway, to each their own. To each their own. And since it is March Madness, I do have to, and pickles are coming up. I do have to mention that a friend of mine,

Ryan once pointed out that coach k has a face mike shishavsky has a face that suggests that he loves pickles and it doesn't really make sense but it's nothing has ever seemed truer to me than the idea that coach k loves pickles so shout out to ryan cassidy after complaining about a duke loss he unwinds with a nice pickle bite he's like in texas movie theaters not all of them but in some texas movie theaters you can buy like a movie pickle becca ramos producer from texas about to come through with probably another anecdote wait so they have movie pickles yeah like you can buy popcorn or you can buy

a pickle. And like one of those big forearm-sized ones? No, I think it's just a hand-sized pickle, like a regular forearm-sized one. What the fuck are you eating, bro? That's salami, Miles. I'm so sorry.

Well, okay. Actually, can you show me a picture of what you say? You might need to reconcile our definitions here. That's always an interesting little wrinkle. I don't know if this is nationwide or if it's just California, if I just found out about it when I got out here, but pickled jalapenos coming with your popcorn is so great. And it's an option in almost every theater.

You just take a little jalapeno, put it in the handful of popcorn, and it really spices things up. I've never heard of this. Can your precious Irish palate handle that kind of spice, Jack? My palate can handle it. The rest of my body begs to differ. I sweat through my shirt the second I have a bite.

But yeah, my friend who grew up out here turned me on to that. And I have not looked back. I've never done that. And I've never noticed it. Oh, I buy a thing of nacho cheese that you're supposed to have for the nachos. The little nacho cup. Dip my popcorn in the nacho cheese that you're supposed to have for the nachos, the little nacho cup. Dip my popcorn in the nacho cheese. Interesting.

That's when I'm high as fuck. Because I'm like, I got to make a meal out of this shit. And you know what? I probably never noticed the pickled jalapeno popcorn thing because I don't eat popcorn. So that's like the reason. Wait, how come you don't eat popcorn? No, there's no reason. I will eat popcorn

on occasion but it's not like my go-to i've never like oh i gotta have popcorn with my movie i i just am like i will not eat here i will but you know what oh back when back when i was like in my amca list days i would get the chicken tender meal, like me being a three-year-old. Chicken tenders and french fries and a cookie. And I would be like, oh, I'm going to see Captain Marvel and eat my chicken tendies. There you go. Yeah, because it needs to feel a little more

substantial, right, than like an expensive snack. And I feel like if you're going to be paying over $10, you're like, oh, fuck it, man. I'll eat a fucking pizza or whatever. But I like the chicken. Man, I haven't had the chicken tendies at amc though the popcorn is unfortunately locked in for me as like go to a movie gotta have the popcorn it makes me feel bad like after i eat it i'm like oh i just ate so much food that like has no nutritional value but it's i think the question is not why someone

wouldn't eat popcorn but why we all eat popcorn and i don't know why does popcorn get to be the movie snack it's like why do pickles get to be pickles there we go why is popcorn movie snack and like i wonder if in other countries they have other movie snacks that we're just not thinking of like if i went to a movie theater in like new Delhi and they said, hey, you want some samosas? I would fuck that shit up. I would love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.

For sure. What is something you think is overrated? Corn dogs. Y'all mentioned corn dogs earlier and I was like, that's overrated. I had a whole other thing written down. I was like, no, crossing that out. Corn dogs. I don't like corn dogs.

Flavor? I feel like the cornbread dipping is never good it's just too thick and then mostly bland like i want it to taste like good cornbread and it never does right okay right right so it's like a bad hot dog with bad cornbread right yeah so step up the batter recipes so we feel like we're actually eating some really good cornbread on top. Yeah. Cause there's nothing worse. Like I used to, I was like one of these kids who would always want to eat hot dog on a

stick. Cause I thought it would taste different the next time. Yeah. And you'd always inevitably get some thick ass batter bite. It's nasty. They are very overrated. And you know, I think there is,

there exists somewhere a really good corn dog. I just haven't met her yet. Right. Execution. It's almost always bad in theory. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah.

We need to we need to see it. Corn dogs. You're not you're not living up to the promise. Right. For sure. Yeah. the promise right for sure yeah sometimes i think i like because i liked corn dogs as a kid but i would always end up like the last third i wouldn't eat i'm like nah it's getting too cornbread like corny at the bottom here it's too thick yeah i just yeah i really who please let us

i'm sure like at a fair or something where you're watching people do them fresh, straight up like that. And I guess hot dog on the stick is pretty fresh too, but... It's in a mall. Nothing in a mall is fresh. Please direct me into the, put me in the direction of the good corn dogs, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like, Zyte Gang, we can do this.

Let us know. Go back through the memory. Is there a good corn dog that you've had? What was different about it? Where can it be be had if you have a corn dog recipe that you like to use at home hit me with that like an air fryer corn dog recipe that sounds good i don't know if it's possible but it sounds like it would be good there's a listicle about where to find the best corn dog in the world the internet you know where where is the best one two in the world. The internet, you know? Where's the best one? Two of the five are in Texas.

Okay. Dallas at Fletcher's, they say, is really good. Moonshine in Austin. These look artisanal too. They look all floppy and shit. Oh, they have corn dog shrimp? What the fuck is that? That just sounds like battered shrimp.

That sounds like popcorn shrimp. Yeah, it sounds like popcorn shrimp. Yeah, but with corn on it. All right, well... When you're picturing the good corn dog in your mind, is the corn batter, like, sticking to the hot dog? That's what I'm picturing. Yeah.

Like, it's not that, like, loose sleeve of... No, no hollowness. No gap. Like, no thigh gap, no corn dog gap, no gap. No, no hollowness. No gap. Like no thigh gap, no corn dog gap, no gap. Fluffy corn. No frame gap. Fluffy cornbread.

Not like, when you're saying thick, it's not like size wise it's too thick. It's that it's like the batter is like too like consistent. It feels like tasty almost. Yeah. It dries your mouth out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Come on. I just want corn dog chefs.

It's almost like, ooh, ooh, the cornbread, and then it's fluffy. That's the experience I'm looking for. I can only make sounds to describe it. If you connected with that, let me know where I can have that. This is why it needs to be a video podcast. You guys could have seen Miles' performance of the process of eating a corn dog. Please let us know if you want this to be a video podcast so then we can...

If it is, thank you for my last visit. I will not become a specialist in video podcasts. No, no, no, not this one. In general. What is something you think is underrated? Okay, so we all know Wordle, right? That's a thing. That's separate.

Hurdle, H-E-A-r-d-l-e is my favorite sort of like wordle offshoot where it's music and you have like 16 seconds to figure out what the song is and they give you like increasing length clips this is huge we we so we we've been talking i'm a big wordle wordle head andirtle and have not liked many of the variants, but then they dropped Purtle on us, which is how you pronounce theba player and it's got like the various like statistics or not statistics but like team height position jersey number like all these things and like that's fun and specific it is fun and specific but that game i was like oh this is a whole there's a whole universe you could do in this format with i said movies but songs sounds great yeah it's really great and like i feel good about myself when i get a good hurdle score like when i get one second

if i get one to four seconds i feel great about myself yeah one to four seconds okay so tell me what are what are the like how how does the song reveal itself so you get one second to start so if you can get it in that one second then that's your like you get six there are six different increments of time so like with wordle you have six guesses but they get increasingly longer so it's total 16 seconds um so i think it's one second and then you can add another second and then you can add like two more seconds. Got it. Okay.

And then I'll, I'm at the website. Hopefully we don't get sued. And if we do, we'll bleep it out. But this is here. I'll actually, this is Friday's hurdle.

So don't worry. Yeah. It's already passed. I've also already done today's. I did it at like two in the morning okay so this is the site right here and then so here's a play button and then you play it and then i'm imagining this like first segment is all that plays to be like okay you got it off of this and then you put it in right is that how it works for ama yep okay so here we go jack we're gonna hear the first second wait that just sounded like i just got some

dead air it sounded like a truck idling yeah you know what seeing it again this one it was two guesses for me the second guess okay i'm gonna need another one so what i do skip one plus one second is that it yep so you skip your first guess give us give us a little more oh fuck yeah Oh, fuck. Yeah. Okay. Forget it. Okay. I have a new obsession. Yeah. Right? It's fun.

Hold on two seconds. Okay. Fuck. You really... I know this. All right. Forget it. This is where I'm headed.

I'm like, the whole show is going to be like... Do you want me to tell you what the song was? Yeah. What is it? It's Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger by Daft Punk. Oh, yeah. Okay. Fuck this game.

It does really sound like a car idling. You know what? Mom, if you're listening, she's not. But this is why I watched Daft Hands so many times for this moment. There it is. That's actually, the fact that you got that on two pretty wild. That's the best part of

Wordle too is when you get the word quickly and you're kind of surprised by yourself. You're like, whoa, my brain. My first Wordle, I got on my second guess. My first ever Wordle second guess. And I was like, oh, I can't do heroin because this

feels too good and i'm gonna chase this for the rest of my life is hurdle the always the first seconds like does it always open with the opening of the song yes it does which is sometimes very annoying yeah that could be really gotta know got it okay i got i want to dance with somebody in one second. And I was with my mother when I played it. She was like, that sounds like firecrackers. How do you know what song that is? Right, right, right.

Because it's got that comes in hot, right? Yeah. It comes in very hot. Yeah. With some drums and then. Oh. Yeah. Look at you. So I have a soft pitch on Hurdle.

This seems simple and perfect, but is there a world where you get clues about the year the song came out, the genre of music that the song is from, and then the audio clue is like the fifth or sixth one? I like that. That's a soft pitch that's what that's kind of what i had in mind for the that's for the movie version hurdle plus there you go yeah hurdle plus anyways thank you so much for introducing us to hurdle you're welcome and shout out to um there's a like there's some hardcore i carly fans that follow me on twitter and i'm like y'all i don't talk about i carly ever so you're not getting any news from me but we love the episode that you wrote i'm so scared of getting sued i'm like i'm not going to talk about that show ever publicly um but one of the like hardcore fans he and i follow each other were mutuals he's very nice

uh his name's nathan and i found out about it from him so shout out to nathan duarte for that one okay okay shout out nathan and also maybe check out daily zeitgeist where we where we thank nathan every once in a while our fans too come on bro i know we didn't work on i carly but we know people that did like karama and lacy so like yeah i don't know obsessed with lacy she's underrated lacy mostly is underrated hugely that is implied that i i feel the world is gonna fully begin to appreciate her in the next two couple years here i feel like that that the ascent is undeniable at the moment. She's on her way. She's less underrated than she was a day ago, but still

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This is one. This is a thing that everybody was happy about. Do we have to have the backlash? One, this is a thing that everybody was happy about. Do we have to have the backlash? And it's also my, oh, fuck you. I was coming from a selfish place because I just do like having the additional sunlight at the end of the day. However, the other major deciding factor in what kind of life I'm living and also like how I interact with the clock is that I have young children and it has been held trying to get them to go to sleep when the sun is still in the sky.

Yeah. They, yeah. And their, their sleep is all fucked up. So enter the, the push for standard time. Yeah.

I mean, a lot of experts are like, why the fuck did you pick daylight savings over standard? Because we've talked about this on the show a lot about how daylight savings causes a lot of issues. Like in general, people, they fucking lose sleep. So naturally, like nearly everybody on the planet or in the place that's observing daylight savings is beginning to get sleep deprived. Stress levels go up. It's like it's like a quantifiable metric to see that heart attacks and strokes increase the week following

daylight savings time. And in that same period, there's a six percent increase in fatal car accidents. There's a lot to be like, yeah, this is like it fucks us up when we just say, wake up in the darkness. Well, here's my question, though. Yes. I'm not questioning the science. I'm not questioning the research that's been done. I believe that there is a quantifiable uptick in all of those negative health issues. But is that because of the change or is that because of the time itself?

Because if we just stick with one time, whatever that time is, Is it possible that we won't have those issues? Yeah, that's always been my thesis is that it's the change. It's changing the clock a whole hour. It fucks with people. So I, yeah, that's like, and I don't think the claim here is that like, well, it's just because daylight savings time is evil and that's why there are these things. I think everybody has assumed that just like this is this is because of the change the losing one hour of sleep but they i think the the point that's

being made is that if you're going to choose between the two daylight savings is not as good as darker earlier right like in the morning or don't start the day in darkness because i think the other thing that they point to is like evolutionarily we've just been designed to be like where's the sun at and then and move with that and so our our circadian rhythms are tied to that so by saying oh fuck that you're going to you're going an hour early our bodies still know and that's and that's where the the problems come up is where the clock time and our internal clock time are not on the same shit and so you know they also talk about teens how like adolescents already have like a natural delay like in their sleep patterns already like because

of their growth and things like that so waking up in darkness by going an hour ahead if they wake up in darkness it actually makes it harder for them to get to sleep on time. And again, you map all those other concerns about stress levels going up, sleep deprivation, and also that leads to depression. This has, again, a lot of like child development people have been pointing to this really alarming trend. They said in 2019, one in three high school students and half of female students reported persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness which is a 40 increase of tooth from 2009 so they're saying if we're already dealing with this making kids wake up earlier is only going to exacerbate this or we're not it's not it's not going to help them if it is then we need to push back what time school

starts that's my approach right which is it shouldn't need to push back what time school starts. That's my approach. Right. Which is it shouldn't be, well, this is what time school always starts. Fuck what's in the sky. Get your ass to school. And then the other arguments about like, well, do like in politicians like daylight saving time. It's actually going to add more sunlight to the day. Well, it's not you're going to add more sunlight to the day. That's not how it fucking works. But just for a science explainer, so you can sound really smart at your dinner party this week because that's what we all do we all go to dinner parties with our friends and talk about the new

yorker in our french salon but i do that i don't know about y'all doing a hurdle in the parlor from this atlantic article saying quote because of the earth's tilt the sun spends less time above the horizon oh no this is actually sorry this is from the new york times quote because of the earth's tilt the sun spends less time above the horizon. Oh, no, this is actually, sorry, this is from the New York Times quote, because of the Earth's tilt, the sun spends less time above the horizon during winter, which means we have shorter daylight hours. Year-round daylight savings time would only shift daylight from the morning to the evening, meaning the sun would rise and set an hour later than we're used to from November to March. And again, they're saying this really needs to be considered because of all of like the timing effects that it has on people. So I don't know.

While it is nice to have that extra hour of the day, the writer at The Atlantic, Heather Turgeon, posited like, I wonder if business interest groups thought it's better to do daylight savings time. So if it's lighter towards the end of the day, people will consume more and, you know, and actually patronize businesses more because there's more sun. With having done no research, that sounds like America. I feel like that's real. That sounds right. Yeah. That sounds just about. And the fact that it was unanimous across both parties, I'm like, hmm.

You see, that's where the government really fucked up. They showed us that they can get along. Right now we're gonna want that yeah right well i think you're like whoa whoa whoa that's but that was about it because all of our donors like the one thing all of our donors aligned on was give us more daylight for people to buy more shit and you see it in the sentiment a lot of people have that we're celebrating this. A lot of people are like great. I have more daylight at the end of the day. Which I get it's more energizing.

I don't really have an opinion either way. But when I look at these concerns that are raised. I'm like oh those are valid. Because I feel I was dead tired this last week. Just trying to adjust. Yeah. It does seem like. We all got swept up in it.

I assumed based on nothing. that someone was doing the research to be like, this is the better of the two. Turns out not so much. But also didn't California do this already? I think Arizona might have. Arizona and Hawaii don't fuck with it. We voted on this already in California, and they're just doing a federal version. Because I remember having all these discussions like a couple years ago during midterm elections, because there was some proposition that was like, hey, do you just want to like not change time? And I was like, yeah, I want to change time.

That sounds great. Hell yes. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if that, like how popular that proposition and many others were, gave them the idea of like, all right, well, we can just throw this through and get an easy, quick win in Congress and make it seem like Congress has done something. I wonder how many midterm elections they're going to be throwing this out there. We got you another day of daylight.

Oh, you guys don't like the sunlight? Okay. Okay, communist. got you another day of daylight of oh you guys don't like the sunlight okay okay communist but yeah i think again anything that comes out of marco rubio off marco rubio's desk i'd be like okay so which interest group wrote this one right i mean like any fucking senator to be honest but uh yeah especially when marco rubio is like championing it. I'm like, it really raises the case for, you know, you're in you're in the sunshine state. I can imagine that business interest groups in that state are like, yeah, yeah, yeah. More sunshine for make more money spent by people. Yeah. More Disney.

Although, when are they going to do the fireworks? When are they going to do the fireworks? Think of Fantasmic. Will you people? Do they even do Fantasmic? I think they do. Speaking of Disney, I could not think of Maui from Moana doing the You're Welcome rap.

I just had this horrible vision of Marco Rubio doing that for his next election ad. Cosplays as Maui. Dressed like Maui? Yeah, dressed like Maui. Rabbit, like, telling people you're welcome for the sun in the sky. I can believe it. Oh, yeah, I could definitely see that shit.

I can see Marco Rubio calling himself an ordinary demiguy. Yeah. Just an ordinary. Anyways, great song, Marco Rubio. Please stay the fuck away from it. Oh, yeah, you have kids. You've probably heard that song like a million times oh yeah it's it's up there it's it's near the top of the charts of the past four or five years yeah let's talk about this gray's anatomy writer story it's just kind of a wild story but it's it's definitely something that you see happen on the Internet quite a bit.

Yeah. Just this idea of people being taking a little bit from here and there, spicing up their own life to maybe ascend in your job or make yourself more interesting or garner sympathy. But there's this writer, Elizabeth Finch, who's written on Grey's Anatomy since 2014 and has also been written on shows like Vampire Diaries, True Blood, you like established writer these are all my shows also i'm like i've been with this woman yeah i my toxic trait is that if i'm hanging out with you and we are near a television i'm gonna ask you hey do you want to watch the pilot of true blood and you're gonna say no and i'm gonna make you do it anyway i love that energy where you're like, man, if we get high, Karama is going to be like, do you want to watch the pilot of True Blood? Stone Cold Sober. Stone Cold Sober.

I will do that shit. I love True Blood. It's reminding me of me who would be like, hey, man, you want to watch City of God in like 2005? Yeah. Every time. City of God. Or the pilot of The Shield. No, but like True Blood is my show.

And she was the writer's assistant on True Blood before she was a writer on True Blood. So she's been with that show. And I was with her the whole time for the whole ride. There you go. And I recently rewatched all eight seasons of The Vampire Diaries. Wow. Yeah. And I am two episodes behind on gray's anatomy so i've watched

18 seasons of gray's anatomy so just i'm i'm really upset with elizabeth right now yeah are you lindsey who's direct were you familiar with elizabeth before this story broke like did you know her as a name i did not know her as a name but when the story broke and i looked her up i was like i know her work yeah you're everywhere when the story broke and I looked her up, I was like, I know her work. Yeah. You're everywhere I want to be. Like your MasterCard or Visa or whatever that thing is. But so when right before she was about to start Grey's, you know, she was saying that she had been through a lot of health stuff. And in the writer's room had mentioned she's been through a lot, had a very turbulent medical history, which the writer's room naturally, you know, Grey's Anatomy will take shit from real life, inspired by real life, and put it into the show.

And her stories were not an exception. They heard a lot of the anecdotes that she had and were like, wow, can we use some of this for the show? And this is from one of the write-ups. They said, quote, despite being just 44 years old, Finch has seemingly endured a lifetime of ailments and suffering, which helped transform her into an icon of the show. She was diagnosed with a rare form of bone cancer the year before Graves hired her. She went through several brutal rounds of chemo, which forced her to unfortunately have an abortion. She lost a kidney and part of her leg and then was required to have a knee replacement surgery, only to later learn that she had been misdiagnosed by a doctor whom she later confronted. And she's been very upfront about

this. She's written like multiple essays in places like Elle magazine or like the Shondaland website. But things got went a little bit sideways when all of a sudden her wife contacted Shondaland and ABC to said, I think my wife may be being a bit duplicitous about like what she's telling you all. So this all happened because at like during, while Finch was working on Graves said that they had to leave for a pressing family emergency that day and couldn't work. So that her coworkers concerned phoned her wife,

asked what was happening. They mentioned like what Finch had told them. And her wife said that the details of what her, like what Finch said to the writers at gray's was eerily similar to her her own very specific medical troubles that's the part that gets me because just say this happened to your wife just say that it happened to your wife right but it doesn't change anything right yeah that's what's so wild when you like yeah so i went you could you have just as much proximity as a writer. I'm sure other writers would trust you to being like, oh, you lived through supporting a person going through this. You didn't just read an article. Please give us some usable, you know, like something that we can, we can actually inspire the writing on the show. But yeah, it's odd. So right now Finch has been put on leave. And the people aren't quite sure. But the wife has said because of this, like, thought like what's odd. So right now, Finch has been put on leave and the people aren't quite sure. But the wife has said because of this, like, thought, like what's happened, she's like now going through a, quote, acrimonious divorce.

Damn. So, yeah, I mean, if true, you think, oh, this is going to make me indispensable to the show, or this will really help me be someone who needs to be part of the show and help me in my career. But damn. that she decided, if she did lie, if this is true, she decided to lie and say that it was her instead of her wife, because the show is about relationships. The show is about the relationships that you build with your coworkers, with your patients, with romantic relationships. It's about people. It's not

just about the medicine. And having somebody whose spouse is going through this, and who, like, say Meredith, main character, the gray herself, she sees somebody whose spouse is going through this and it reminds her of when her husband derrick died in like season 12 or whenever he died that that is a story that is i think very compelling i would watch it yeah i mean this is a compelling character for any medical drama is somebody who takes the medical history of a loved one for like selfish purposes.

That shit would be I can see that I don't watch a ton of Grey's. I've watched a lot of like medical dramas, like House Scrubs, like all the all those shows like, you know, where the patient is revealed to like be having like sympathetic ailments based on the ailments of a loved one the other wild thing is just the it's a really interesting like almost like psychological drama of being the spouse and like putting these clues together as it like dawns on you kaiser Soze, like the end of usual suspects style. You're just like, what the fuck? And then you like go and reread the article that they wrote on Elle. That's the other crazy part.

Because if she's publishing articles. Right. You're not reading that shit. You're like, nah, you don't need to read that. You don't need to read that shit. Also, you're like, hold up. This character on Grey's, that's the shit that happened to me with the knee replacement and the misdiagnosis? It's like, yeah, I told him about you, baby. That's what I told him about. Something feels funky here. Like, there is more to this story.

Yeah, that's what I think is odd because the idea that you're publishing multiple essays, like all the articles say, like she's been very vocal about her experiences. So that's why I'm like, what, how, like, is this something, is this more of a divorce?

And then the, their people are weaponizing different facts against each other. All to say messy place, but it's just, uh, yeah, it feels very early in the story for the hollywood reporter to be reporting it to be honest like because it's like they just were replaced they were just placed

on administrative leave to pending the investigation and it is a story based on around an acrimonious divorce which those are always real tricky yeah well and also like it's an issue with medical records so it is going to be very difficult for them to do a full investigation because you can't just say like give us all your medical records those are private right that's a real HIPAA violation right but we did want to I did want to talk about it because I feel like this is something like have you guys ever had somebody who you knew through like an online community who had a like big medical drama that turned out to not be true? Has that ever happened to you? Oh, I've seen from afar like people lie about like a thing, but never like personally where i'm like damn i can't

believe they fucking lied about all that shit i mean i feel like it's a story we see a lot or on twitter i feel like random fandoms will be like this guy lied about all like everything like okay yeah yeah that happened back at cracked it was pretty wild oh shit yeah yeah yikes no i don't think i've ever been in that specific experience. I have been a part of a lot of large online groups where people have lied about stuff, but never like health stuff, usually financial stuff. And I was in this big Facebook group in LA called Girls Night Out. And it's like the worst kept secret Facebook group in the world.

And it's for women. It's got like 20,000 members. kept secret Facebook group in the world and it's for women and it's got like 20,000 members and one of the like main leaders of that group she ended up getting ousted because she was like in 2020 in June 2020 she was getting donations from people on Venmo and she said that she was going to be like redistributing them to women of color and then people were like show us the receipts and she's like oh I will and um. And then it took hours for these receipts to materialize. And they had just been purchased. It was like she had just sent the money.

There was some shady financial stuff going on. And she had also said that she wanted money for new protest sneakers. And people were like, you can get your own sneakers. Wow. Nice. Big swing there. I need new own sneakers. Wow. Nice. Big swing there. I need new protest sneakers. Yeah.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And NFTs continue to be a thing. So Pepe, Pepe the Frog is back in the news. The Pepe the Frog is back in the news. The Pepe NFT. So, JM, our writer, put it, combining Pepe the Frog with NFTs is like putting Axe body spray on Dean Cain. It's like putting, you know, a garbage scented hat on top of another garbage scented hat. Yeah. I thought that was apt.

Okay, sure. Pepe, because I'm sure the artist loves that. Well, so the artist, so they had these things called sad frogs that were issued earlier in the NFT thing, I guess last August. And they looked suspiciously like Pepe. And they had made four million dollars from a median price of 450 dollars

per sad frog and pepe's creator who has been you know heralded for taking white supremacist to court to reclaim his character got got the sad frogs taken down and the money was made right got the sad frogs taken down and the money was made right yeah and then they came back at him and claimed you know will like issued a countersuit but then like the main thing they did was they issued a counter notice didn't include a mailing address and signed it vladimir vladimirovich which happens to be the first and middle name of v Putin. And so that's, I don't know. Who knows if they're just trying to like posture like they're intimidating or something. But as we're going to talk about, like there is a real tendency for these NFTs. Once the money and the value goes unregulated, it all of a sudden starts trickling to the right for some reason.

But also, so the last we had heard of the guy who originally drew Pepe, he was like kind of this hero who's like getting the frog taken away from the white supremacist. But now he is like getting into the NFT business, auctioning off an early Pepe cartoon for around $1 million, auctioning off an early pepe cartoon for around one million dollars uh launched a dao selling limited edition nft tokens for as much as twenty thousand dollars a piece which garnered criticism because people were like well who do you think is buying those man like who what what community do you think is funding your community fund right and then things took an even weirder turn when he auctioned off an image that's in the document that we all can have the pleasure of looking at that is a nude Pepe next to a waterfall.

I'm not going to look at that. I'm just going to tell you that right now. You're good. Pepe is dummy thick. Yeah, he kind of has. Okay, now I'm'm gonna look at it i mean it's pepe is arching that back yeah okay oh yep here's my question is that that image that we just looked at with the waterfall and the pepe that's that is an mft that exists

it is a one of 100 so the the plan was they were going to auction one off. That was the one that would be individually owned. Right. Then 99 more NFTs of the same image. So just, you know, JPEGs. Right, because we have it. We have it for free right now. Yeah, I believe we have it in our Google Doc right now.

Hopefully the NFT police don't like break down our door. We'll delete it later, yeah but that promise we promise we'll delete it and yeah that's the thing that i don't get about nfts like i i understand i know what an nft is i know that it stands for non-fungible token i get that you are the certified owner of a piece of art, but like, I don't understand NFTs. I don't understand why they are big and why I can't just copy paste the JPEG. Like I know that it's stealing, but I can do that.

So like, why, why is the value so high? It's like, it's all these things. Like there's like in right now there's this company called socios, which is trying to get soccer fans to buy things called fan tokens where they're trying to be like, and this is you like giving access to your favorite soccer club by buying a fan token. You can trade them with other ones and they have value. All it is, it's really just trying to normalize people getting using crypto.

That's really what the, that's the underlying thing about NFTs are. It's like, well, shit, not enough people give a fuck about investing in crypto. That's really what the underlying thing about NFTs are. It's like, well, shit, not enough people give a fuck about investing in crypto. What if we start saying these little pictures you can buy, that's an investment now. And that's a way to get people to start saying like, oh, well, it's this much Ethereum or this much Bitcoin or whatever. And it's a gateway into sort of understanding crypto better just to bring more people into the crypto crypto bubble basically and you have things that make it sort of appealing where it's like well you might not care about crypto but what if you bought this fan token for manchester united and now you've you've used a little bit of crypto you're understanding oh i can sell this to someone

else but again all of these nfts rely on the the idea that you don't have shit unless you find somebody who's willing to pay more than you did for the shit that you have, because it's not a tangible good or service. So you're relying on like this, this like hype market to keep shit going and keep your shit profitable. And I think that's like what I think a lot of people, many, you know, they call them no coiners who are like big crypto skeptics is big crypto. People call them are just pointing the fact is like this gives you nothing. This is like this is a volatile. I'm like, what are you doing? Investment. Yeah. And, you know, again, I think for all the reasons why people say it could work decentralized, you know, like it's not tied to a central, like a government, like federal agency or something like that. All you see are the bad instances of it or that there are just many bad

actors who are scamming and using it to potentially, you know, hide ill gotten gains. And you're only seeing the bad elements of it now. And most people like I, yeah, I can, you can see the potential, but what we have right now is not its potential. We're seeing the worst of it. And, you know, markets can be controlled by potentially a few hand like a small handful of people that we're not really aware of because we don't know who owns most of the shit also it's really bad for the environment that's the other 100 i remember i told my mom because my mom was talking about oh i'm gonna do this project with somebody and it's gonna be an nft and i was like okay I don't think you know this. So I'm just telling you, NFTs are actually really bad for the environment. I could hear her brain working. She's like, I don't understand. It's not a thing and now you have the other part is for two people just making their own coins to just basically just redistribute wealth being like hey i got my dummy followers to pay a bunch of money for a coin that isn't gonna be worth shit

but guess what now i have all the fucking money all right yeah this worked out for me so the way it worked with this fury guy who originally drew pepe he he drew this, made 100 of these NFTs of naked Pepe, said, I'm only releasing one. That one person paid $500,000 for that. You could scam two kids into USC for $500,000. Exactly. And then the DAO later released 46 of the 99 NFTs for free. So now the auction winner is suing Fury, claiming that the free NFTs have diminished the value of his NFT.

And like, but this is the thing with, and then it's like, but the whole point of this is that it's unregulated. And so it makes it very complicated. And again, just to reiterate, the thing allegedly being devalued here is an erotic JPEG of racism's cartoon mascot. But like, on a broader scale, there's this article in Jacobin about how, you know, because one of the design features of crypto and NFTs and Bitcoin is that, like, it's not something that can be regulated it's not something that is regulated basically and like that's something that sounds great because we're like well the like big banks are like have all this power and determine like who gets to borrow money and like there's all sorts

of fucked up shit that happens when you get big powerful institutions involved with money and the idea is like we get we this gets things outside of those like outside of the hands of the existing power players is like one of the pitches on on crypto i mean but like public banks are also a thing that would actually benefit the people yeah yeah yeah to vote. Don't talk about community banking now. Crypto, baby. Crypto, metaverse, metaverse. Check out this new real estate I made on the computer. I feel so dumb and so old

whenever somebody talks about anything related to Web3. I'm just like, I don't know. I didn't even know we were on Web2. I thought we all had one web that was just webbing. One web. One web web that's how i feel you know what i mean but i think that's a design feature to make people feel old and dumb because it like doesn't make sense but it gets like it gets people investing because there is this one sort of value proposition, which is it's

unregulated and it like has a token that is not going to be replicated. So and that is yours. It's an internet like based or a digital based token. Like so that is the thing. But then it's surrounded by all these like clouds and clouds of intricate market dynamics that are just the same as the other market dynamics that make banking like, you know, lopsided. a forum that's not moderated like sounds great in theory we can say whatever we want get in there it's almost always nazis it's like almost always nazis uh just almost always a very hostile place for anyone who is not like just a brutal like misogynist and my hope for the future is that we get unregulated message boards where it's all people sharing like bread recipes. Like that's

what I want. I want that like happy, like British bake-off unregulated message board. Right. Rather than nude peppy and racial slurs being blasted everywhere. Exactly. And like incels. No thank you. Just bread.

So a lot of donations that are being made to ukraine right now are being made in crypto and like again that seemed like in theory cool in practice that actually makes it easier for russian oligarchs to get their hands on the money since the entire point crypto. Is to be free from the sorts of regulations. That are being used to punish them financially. And another detail. That I hadn't realized. Is that crypto is largely mined. In Russian border countries.

That are like former. Soviet nations. And there's a long history. Of the profits going. To right wing. Dictators. Or right wing. nations and there's a long history of the prophets going to right-wing dictators or right-wing you know militias the prophets go to them the work is being extracted from the people and also the energy grids there was i think kazakhstan had like these massive uprisings because their energy grid kept going down because of all of the crypto being mined there and like people died in those and it's 164 people were killed following protests stirred by the energy crisis in kazakhstan and that's 20 of the energy produced locally

mainly with coal is used to mine bitcoin so it's like the people are having value extracted from them in very dangerous ways and then it ends up flowing to you know like i don't think it's an accident that the like white supremacist pepe, NFT people who got mad that they got shut down, signed their thing as Vladimir Vladimirovich. Right. It seems like, you know, this article in Jack Bend, which we'll link off to, does a good job of just outlining all the ways that history has shown that crypto enthusiasts tend to support. that crypto enthusiasts tend to support. They say TikTok despots, and the things go to the right.

Generally, ISIS operations have been funded. Taliban in Afghanistan, a tyrannical president in El Salvador, in Ethiopia, Kazakhstan, and Putin, like a Putin wingman from Belarus, has also been kashenko yeah he's also been calling on his countrymen to mine bitcoin for economic development again though like very old very fuddy-duddy me i'm just like practically how do you get that money like if i send a if i send money to ukraine for people to seek refuge what are they doing with that money how are they getting actual money that

they can spend on things like i don't know bread a thing that i'm obsessed with today apparently yeah i mean they mine the coins and then i think you know that coin has value but they're usually mining it for someone and no but but i'm saying if you're sending it to another wallet, they can liquidate it so it turns to cash. Right. It has cash value. Like on an exchange, like on Coinbase or these other places, that's where you trade it.

And that's why it's all... The other thing, though, too, is even... They have said that bigger coin exchanges have followed like the sanctions so it's definitely not easy for a oligarch to move like tons of money because like big coins like bitcoin and ethereum are like public enough they'd be like whoa that's a massive amount of like funds moving around that people would be able to see pretty clearly but yeah it is it there's just all these things point to not great and also like when you even look at like board the board ape thing we talked about how the person who was designing those a lot of extremist people who are like very versed in

semiotics are like there's a lot of like nazi shit in this board a mft and we're like no no and you know meanwhile you have people like fucking paris hilton and jimmy fallon like you know fucking chilling for them oh yeah as the crowd like treats it like they just revealed a puppy that is still the weirdest like kind of crystallization of the weird fucking moment that we're in culturally is that if you haven't seen it yet just go watch paris helton on fallon where they're revealing their board apes to each other and the the crowd is like huh but then trying to being encouraged to do a plot yeah yeah there's just this quote here though i just want to read that kind of its proponents

through a combination of tax avoidance, diminished regulatory oversight, and artificially enforced scarcity. Like, I feel like that is... Straight from the dog's lips. Yeah. Yeah. Much scary. Very capitalist. Oh, yeah.

Good dog. Well, we can't top that. Karama, it's been such a pleasure having you. Where can people find you

and follow you? People can find me at Karama Drama on Twitter, K-O-R-A-M-A-D-R-A-M-A. And, catch the new season of iCarly,

which drops April 8th on Paramount Plus. Watch the old one. I have an episode there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Amazing. No, the old season of the new iCarly,

to be clear. I did not write any episodes on the original iCarly. I was a child. When you were 12. Yeah. Younger, presumably. Is there a tweet

or some other work of social media you've been enjoying oh yes so jimmy hogan tweeted no shit your baby is crying you just announced her weight to a group of strangers and i've never identified with something more as somebody who has had my weight announced to a group of strangers and then cried it It's top tier. Not as a baby. As an adult. Right. Not good. Miles, where can people find you? What is a tweet you've been enjoying? Find me on Twitter

and Instagram at milesofgray. Also the new podcast Miles and Jack Got Mad Boosties, an NBA podcast. We're announcing it right now, right here. I'll say the name out loud. I'll say the name out loud. Wow. I'll say the name out loud.

Yes. I'll keep saying it to get everybody's, just keep you in, just pins and needles with suspects. Premiering March 31st. And yes, it's going to be, you know, a fun basketball show. That the NBA said, yes, we're okay with these two goofballs hosting a podcast called miles and Jack got mad boosties and NBA podcast. It's going to be an Aries. I'm so excited.

I know. It's really big. So much hardheaded, hardheaded. Yeah. I love it. Shout out Aries gang. Shout out Ram gang.

Okay. Um, let's see. And also for 20 day was fiance with sophie alexandra obviously where we talk 90 day because that's how we heal ourselves with trash tv some tweets that i like let me see oh brandy posy at brand dazzle tweeted my 69 year old dad just asked me if i knew who joe logan was i just love that joe logan joe logan god love just a slight tweak from an old boomer mind and at the library louse tweeted are you okay oh my god no but for the purposes of this

conversation yes i'm fine spot on um all right you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien and i got a shout out miles and i have a new nba podcast if i just did a fully new just another plug for it but yeah check out miles and jack i'm at boosties coming march 31st some tweets i've been enjoying somebody did one of those like retweet in this thread like the tweets that you can't forget. And got just a bunch of great ones. Leon from 2015. Socrates. I'm wiser than this man.

He fancies he knows something. Although he knows nothing. Daryl Socrates, his friend. Fuck him up, Socrates! Daryl Socrates, this friend, fuck him up. Socrates, you know, Socrates at a friend named Daryl. Uh, and then I'll just go with this one. Victor Weintraub from May,

2021 tweeted, whispering to crying baby. You have no idea. Dark. A lot of crying baby tweets today a lot of crying baby but cry baby on the we're all crying babies on the inside you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song that we think you might enjoy miles what song do we think people might enjoy today let's do an artist from benon

okay in africa rema who's a big afro beats artist and this is a remix from the unfortunately passed away Virgil Abloh with Fela Kuti. And it's really interesting the way Virgil, like he, he mashes up Water No Get Enemy with this track from Rema. So it's got, it's this weird, it's this really interesting conversation between a current Afrobeat artist and obviously the legend himself, Fela. And it's a great track. You know where Virgil's from? Ghana, baby. Yeah. You know where Brazil's from? Ghana, baby. Yeah, yeah. You know?

Aqua Ba, you know what I mean? Shout out, you know, I'm an Obruni when I'm there. But, you know, it's all good. Every time I'm there, they say I'm Arab. But I get it. Do you know that I got called an Obruni one time when I was in Ghana? And I was like, we're not going to do that. Just for the record, Obruni means white person, literally.

Yeah. In Ghana, yeah, right. And I was like, no, I'm an Obibini. Please, let's not to do that. Just for the record, a brony means white person, literally. Yeah. In Ghana. Yeah, right. I was like, no, I'm an Obibine. Please, let's not get into that. Yeah, exactly. They were saying it as foreigners. I'm like, I'm one of you. My Ghanaian name is Kwame.

I was born on Saturday. The fuck you talking about? So shout out all my Ghanaians out there. Shout out to Black Stars. Shout out Star Beer. You know what I mean? Oh my God. Please, Miles. I love Star Beer. You know what I mean? Oh my God. Please, Miles.

Okay? I love Star Beer so much. I love Star. Or as I was learning to say, they're like, what's Star? I'm like, I'm sorry, Star Beer.

Thank you. Again, peace of mind. Virgil Abloh remix with Fela Kuti. All right. Well, go check that out. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio.

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