The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 126 (Best of 5/18/20-5/22/20)

Episode Date: May 24, 2020

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Uh, yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist first we're gonna tell our listeners a few of the things we're talking about we're gonna pick our rewatch movie for the weekend we're gonna talk about espn's plan to to do the last dance, but white. So the last bad dancer. Bad, I don't know.

The last awkward two-step. The last Cotton Eye Joe. Dude, but then that song given to us by Australians, right? Really? Yeah, Rednecks is like not even american they're like i think from it's something like really oh yeah sweden sweden yeah they're like scandinavian yeah i like the i listen to cotton eye joe on my walks i loved that song i remember the jock jams it was on and i bought the jock jams it was on just to get that fucking song on my quarantine

walk playlist are both cotton eye joe and the macarena on loop wow that's actually the whole playlist yeah my son just discovered the macarena and uh i rediscovered it and that song still still goes i'm pretty good actually i'd hate to just sort of derail this, but aren't the lyrics, if it hadn't been for Cotton Eye Joe, I'd be married a long time ago. Yeah, there's like a whole story behind the story that we just don't know. Cotton Eye Joe stole your girl? I don't know.

That's why he keeps asking where he came from and where he went. Because he got some shit to settle. He's going to kill Cotton Eye Joe when he finds him. I mean, it's based on Hey Joe, which is a song about killing somebody for infidelity. Oh, there you go.

Yeah. But it's kind of, I sort of love rednecks because somehow Swedes are being racist against rednecks, even in their portrayal of their own group because like the video is it's like a mix between a capital one commercials idea of what like a raider barbarian person was and like whatever shit you can pull together like a swedish fucking thrift store to look like like redneck guy right oh man do you oh it looks like medieval times for European people who want to know what being in like

Appalachia is it feels like it feels like you could put in Cotton Eye Joe over that final scene of Midsommar and a lot of shit get on YouTube put that on TikTok y'all yeah that's for the TikTok teens

what is something you think is overrated okay this one i'm excited about lotion i'm done with lotion we're only oiling we're oiling only only oil now wait wait unpack because i take i i think of all the people in the world i take your skincare advice the most seriously so please unpack this okay so I don't know if y'all have been noticing, but there is now body oils, face oils. Honey, I'm all about those oils. I oil up my ass every day. I produce my own face oil.

There you go. So you could rub that and then just do the neck with it. Yeah, expel it from your pores and then just rub it back in. Rub it back in, honey. Yes, free oil. But no, I don't know why. I just feel like a cream isn't as satisfying.

But now that there's body oils, honey, you look like J-Lo. You really do look like J-Lo from the Jenny from the Block video. I'm just like, damn, I'm looking like J-Lo. I'm eating like I'm in Tuscany. I am living my best damn core life. So I recommend buying that body oil. If I could look like J-Lo on her worst day, I would take that. Right.

Same. I think we all would. I started using coconut oil because I have to cut my hair so low on my head. My scalp gets really dry. So I got into the oils through coconut oil. Yes. That would help keep my scalp moisturized. And then I was like,

fuck it. Like my, my, I'm always quite ashy living in this dry climate. And I started using coconut oil here and there, but I don't, is that, is that good?

Is that fine? Coconut oil is an oil. That's what I'm talking about. You could bring that oil miles head to toe. You could oil up the arms, oil the feet, oil the legs. Secondary concern,

how much time do I need before I put on clothes so it doesn't look like I had a bag of french fries spilled all over my clothes? You know, that's your own personal preference because that is a mood. Right. Your clothes are like transparent in places. We call that

nude minutes. When Cameron Esposito came on Natch Butte, she was like, I do nude minutes. So I come out of the shower, I do my body oil routine, and then I have my nude minutes, and then I put on my clothes. Ah, and that helps any kind of staining or damage from the oils. Yes.

That's all I need to know, because all the time I'm like, I just feel like it's easier to put on my legs or whatever, because I'm like, my jeans would like it's easy to put on my legs or whatever because I'm like my jeans would never know. But there are other times. My regular moisturizer has been making me break out lately, too. I don't even know why. But, well, you know what? My myth might help that.

OK, what's the myth? Seamless. OK, so, yeah, I didn't even plan that. So the myth is you don't need sunscreen if you don't go outside. So, during quarantine, you don't need to be doing sunscreen. That is wrong, honey. The sun is getting us through the windows. And it is making all our skin look like shit.

I mean, I was like, why do I look like shit? I'm not going outside. I'm not wearing makeup. It's because I wasn't doing sunscreen. And all these damn windows in this sunny condo were fucking up my skin so none of you are safe none of you are safe okay sunscreen every day even if you're in quarantine and you're staying in your damn house you got a sunscreen up because the sun is getting us what's the wait so what do you mean just from not having protection when you say you're i can't imagine how your skin would ever look like, quote unquote, shit.

But what do you mean by that? Like, what were you noticing that you're like something? Okay, I was starting to get discoloration, meaning like dark spots. And then Ben was like, hey, you look tan. And I'm like, it's not tan. It's just like darkness. Like my face was starting to get sort of discoloration and my skin tone was getting uneven. And then I noticed, you know, bless his little Jewish heart.

He started getting red neck. Uh-huh. You know what I mean? You're pointing to the back of your neck. He started getting sun from just being in the house. Damn. So we all need to be wearing sunscreen is what I'm saying. Just because you're not going outside, you need sunscreen.

Everybody, you hear me? And Jamie, if you're having some issues, it might be because the sun is hurting you. The sun is still public enemy number one. The sun is still public enemy number one out there. Those UV radiation, it giveth and it taketh. I'm telling you. My skin has been on a wild journey since quarantine started. There have been weeks that I'm like, it's never looked this good.

I've never been drinking this much water before. And then this week was just a plummet for reasons unclear to me. Maybe it's the sun. I'm telling you, if you spend any time near any windows. Me every day. He's out to get us. He's out to get us he's out to get us helios i'm telling you well we are thrilled to be joined in our fourth seat by the brilliant and hilarious jason pargin aka david w. Jason, how are you doing?

I gotta ask all of you a question. Has 2020 been the weirdest year of your lives? Not the worst, the weirdest. It's been the weirdest year of mine, but I realize I have led a less weird life than some people. I'm trying to think. It's definitely up there yeah it's top three because it's not just the pandemic it's that the pandemic had to come with donald trump as president in an election year right like i don't know two weeks after the u.s military announced that aliens were harassing their fighter jets. And we all just, we all just blew it off. That to me told me it was probably,

yeah, this is the one I'm going to remember. This is up there. I was supposed to be on the show like two weeks ago. Right. The day before we're to record a freak windstorm of 80 mile an hour winds, not even raining, just like a spontaneous gust of destructive wind

hits Nashville, knocks out 150,000 homes power. I didn't have electricity for four days. And it was just like, whoa. Yeah. Yeah. That's a kind of thing that happens in 2020. It's pretty much right in line. Well, it's also, I did have to explain to everybody when you had to cancel due to that, that strange weather

phenomenon follows you around the country. So I wasn't shocked. I'm not going to blame it all on you, but mostly. It's on brand. I think it's mostly. This happened in 2009 when I was at Cracked. And if someone listening to this says, well, you clearly are living in part of a country where spontaneous inland hurricanes form. No, no.

I have moved since then. The freak weather event, that was a different state. The freak weather event arrived here. had the word freak rare weather destroys entire town uh right as jason pargin was about to do something important on the internet yes yeah i i feel like i remember something from the last the last freak weather event where like the wind was so strong it like kind of put the leaves on the trees in a blender and there was just like a wood chipper of leaves sprayed across uh various buildings yeah another way to put it in nashville it snapped 200 utility poles i mean that yeah that's that shouldn't happen uh yeah i'm thinking yeah there in terms of like weird years i feel like i'm too deep in it right now to be able to

give myself the distance to just sort of observe what's happening at least in the sense of like comparing it to other times because i felt like i don't know i feel like a weird year for me was getting out of college like i still think of like right how i thought yeah or just like because the market crashed and i was like getting out of college like this whole idea of like yeah man you get your degree and now you have a career and you're middle class now i'm like dude i'm working at a fucking t-shirt store and like kids are puking on me and i have like i'm not here with like a history degree i think but it's yeah this on paper like as you say when you tick the boxes it's like yeah we let it we just let that official dod

acknowledgement of those ufos be like man okay there's UFOs. Forget it. No need to look into that more. It is shocking how many gigantic stories have just completely flown under the radar even in the past couple of weeks where it's just like, yep, that's bad. That's scary, but I just don't have the head space for it at this time.

We'll get back to aliens harassing the military. It's so funny because I spent the entire 90s watching the X-Files, and the entire premise was that aliens are out there, but that the government is desperately trying to cover them up. And here it was the Department of Defense like, yeah, just letting everybody know there's some sort of, I don't know, interdimensional beings or something that's

harassing our fight our aircraft if you know something about it if you know what planet they're from let us know drop us a tip tips at dod.gov we're gonna crowdsource this thing yeah the public's like oh yeah right sure it's like this is what you've been waiting on your whole life right yeah demanding like the area 51 files it's like no here they are we're uh yeah they're just look at that video of that tic tac that's all you need to be like oh no no no we're someone either they're real or somebody knows way too much and we're stupid as fuck and we're way behind jason have you read the debunking or the skeptical take on those videos and like the fact that you can explain it all with just like camera movements and different things being out of focus, etc.?

Yeah. And that's the fun part to me because I've written about UFO culture a few times because I find it fascinating. It's like a new religion. religion it's right and like the origins of like as a cultural force it's really interesting like ufo abductions and why people believe in that kind of thing and where it comes from in the subconscious or whatever the whole fantasy it's just funny that now we have a government that pretty much believes in ufos and the public's just over it because this was in the you know the whole reason the x-files was a hit is that used to be such a big part of the culture is this underground it's like man if we could you know if they could let us into area 51 or the let us know what really happened at roswell which was

just it's a government you know the radiation test balloon and now that it's like under trump the fact that his government talks as if ufos are real is like the 37th least weird thing about this this administration like it just doesn't even it's like yeah okay we just they have so little credibility that not even that matters anymore andrew what is something you think is underrated? Underrated is fucking Sudoku. Specifically playing like 300 Sudoku puzzles in an afternoon because you downloaded an app. Somehow I feel like this is this has gotten if you follow all of my appearances on the Daily Zeitgeist, you'll see the pattern of Andrew slowly getting sucked into being a YouTube person. But the gaming YouTubes that have been suggested to me morphed into YouTube suggesting YouTubes of just old British men solving Sudokus. Oh, wow.

So I got sucked into a hole of that. And then those guys had this app. So I fucking downloaded the app and just played so much Sudoku. That's it. Did it make your brain feel like it was like working? Because that's what I'm looking for activities that makes my brain feel like it's like still rattling around in there. I mean, that's what it's supposed to be doing.

I can't tell. All I know is that once you're on it, you just keep going. It's so addictive to just be like, more Sudoku, more Sudoku. But yeah, I killed like two and a half days on that before I deleted it. Incredible.

Jamie, I have a Mensa Sudoku book that I recommend for you. Really? Might be too easy for you though. Yeah, I might just kind of blast right through it, but I'll give it a shot. Might kill 15 minutes. Solving a Mensa Sudoku out in public.

Oh my God. Why don't you just read a book called Your Gigantic Penis and How to Deal with All the Problems come along with it. Fuck off. Honestly, the thing that I've been using to stimulate my brain, like I've similar to Sudoku's learning.

I'm trying to learn Spanish better because right now I just know loose phrases. I can't conjugate verbs at all. Like I just, I just remember things very well and can do an accent that people think I'm proficient in Spanish. And that has helped me be like, yes, new things, stimulating those parts of my brain. I've been using the Duolingo.

And what I've been doing is, and this probably could work for you, Miles, is because they basically have built this economy out of like every time you make a mistake, you lose a heart. And it gamified this language learning and but you can earn hearts back by doing well but you're just all connected to one pool so basically i've been fucking up spanish real bad and then when i run low on hearts i just switch over to chinese because i'm still at basically like first year white white person chinese so i can rack hearts right back up and then go back to Spanish. Wow. Is that a time thing?

No, it's just like you just have lives. I mean, you could do as slow as you want, but I guess I could just cheat by looking it up. But yeah. I mean, I like that it's gamified, but I'm a babble boy myself. So no time for games uh but your your whole strategy of switching to juice i'm bad at uh i'm bad at spanish

but uh no like your your strategy of switching to chinese is like when i would always pick japanese if i ever had some kind of language component I had to fulfill for anything. And they're like, bro, why are you in here? I think like anybody who speaks a second language, sometimes you got it. You need a break and go to a class for a thing you already know better than the teacher most of the times. Yeah, I just I just needed an extra edge and something to feel good about. So doing kindergarten Chinese exercises. And here's here's the other side of it

that's real sad. I'm not perfect at it. I'm like good, but like it's literally for like five-year-olds and I'm only okay. I'm like a B plus five-year-old. All right.

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and the Ad Council. And we're back. What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are or where you are? Is it safe to get a haircut yeah um is it people it is very difficult to find the answer to that question um that people have never seen like a picture of me my hair well if you've seen the last dance like there's that one security guard yeah it has like the platinum locks like the the luxurious curls that's like what my hair looks like yeah it takes about seven hours in the chair yeah in the chair to make it look like that but where i'm at they're reopening restaurants are open um and hair places i guess are going

to reopen in maybe another week or something like that. So it is now an individual decision. I no longer have the law telling me what I can and cannot do. So I've had to start Googling, well, is it safer to go to a restaurant with 30 other people than it is to sit in a hair salon with one person and we're both wearing masks. It doesn't seem like it would be, but there's no official CDC guidelines saying, yes or no, is it safe to get a haircut? There's all of these qualifiers. It's like, well, are you showing symptoms? Have they tested the staff? It's like, I don't know. How do I find that out? How well do they sanitize the chairs in between the customer?

It's like, I don't know. I don't work there. I'm talking about when is it safe for me to get, you know, cause I've gone this long. I can go longer. It's a,

you know, my, my hair does have its own Instagram account. The fans are asking about it, but there's a point to where you have to move past abstinence only and into what is safe intercourse when it comes to hair right well what can you do i mean i feel like only the way i feel like be safe would be like to be outside yeah outdoor haircut in a windstorm yeah yeah keep that keep those have like yeah have like a dyson fan they're like we've guaranteed Door haircut. Door haircut. In a windstorm. Yeah. Keep those germs away from you.

Have like a Dyson fan. They're like, we've guaranteed, we're ensuring the safety of our customers. We're giving you this heavy duty Dyson fan to hold in front of your face so nothing from behind you can enter the front of your face, blow it back, and then you can get the barber sick or whatever. But I don't know. It's like there's so many ways to think about it yeah you could kind of begin to feel safe or unsafe simultaneously the only issue is that all of the chemicals that are used on jason's hair to give it that look uh that it has would probably

like kill all plants and animals behind him uh if they put the fan on it. Uh-oh. It's so confusing. I mean, yeah, trying to figure out what is... Everything is so different from... I mean, even like block to block at times, it's like people have a completely different attitude about what can you do, what is it safe to do. Yeah. It's incredibly confusing. It's almost like our states and cities

don't communicate well with us, and there's no good place for centralized information well i think because the the bottom line would they be like if you really want to know what we think i'd honestly probably say just everyone should stay inside until we can fully do contact tracing and proper testing and for me but since there's a lot of pressure to open somewhat this seems like the lowest risk version of doing it although i feel like most people in the sciences are like i mean yeah that that'll help but really like we're not gonna have like that same feeling of moving around or like whatever that thrill people

are chasing until we can really get an idea of who has what when and where yeah even on even on like on twitter there was like the viral photos when florida reopened the beaches and they had like the photo of all the thousands of people on the beach and then in my twitter bubble you know they like photoshopped in the grim reaper like like saying thank you but even if you look at that photo you have some people wearing masks walking through the beach walking their dog maintaining distance they're fine then you would have a group of 10 people sitting close together on on blankets or whatever and they're not fine because opening our brief contact you're probably okay but prolonged contact multiple people close proximity sharing sharing, you know,

paper plates, cups, whatever surfaces. In other words, the danger, the idea that in that same photo, that the danger is like a hundred times worse for this person than it is for this person over here. It's really hard to parse that. And in the beginning of the lockdown, it was a lot of fun to just yell at people and say, you know, the way my Sunday school teacher used to tell us the only safe sex is no sex at all. Right. And that works for a while, but you get to be two months into three months into it. And you guys have probably seen, you know, on Twitter and like Nate Silver, people have been tweeting.

There's movement data showing people are getting out everywhere. Not just in, not just in Wisconsin. People are slowly venturing out. No matter what they're saying in polls, people are slowly venturing out. So we have moved to a phase of this where it is like, well, okay. Eating at a restaurant that a lot of restaurants here in Nashville have outdoor seating. Am I safer eating out on the patio than in the dining room? I think it is from what I've read.

But good luck getting an authority to tell you like in a hard number. Yeah, like unequivocally. Like on a scale of risk. Because we did have this, like this is all reminding me of the AIDS epidemic because I was an early teenager in the heart of that. to me of the AIDS epidemic because I was an early teenager in the heart of that and trying to get a super clear answer like can I get AIDS from can I get HIV from oral sex it's like well you know you should probably wear a condom when having oral sex just to be safe but but and eventually they got like more strict guidelines like here's what you need to avoid doing. Here's high risk, low risk.

It's hard to find that now. It's hard to find out like what's the, because they will say, for instance, like the six feet social distancing, the droplets do not magically fall to the ground at exactly like 72 inches. You can, that's just a rough guideline they came up with because that's always been the rule for

if you have the flu or whatever, because people needed something in terms of a number. But trying to say, well, okay, am I putting myself and my family at risk by going to get a haircut now? Okay, well, what about a month from now? Is the issue that there's not enough test kits still, and that we know the hairdressers are not getting tested? I don't know. And I read for an hour trying to find the answer to it. And even if you can find an answer, it's going to be a very specific answer for a very specific area because...

Set of circumstances. Or ideology even. And I'm sure even business to business, it has to do with like which small businesses are prioritizing worker safety and which aren't. And like, how can you get them to honestly communicate that with you? And like what you, like, oh, you said,

like, are you in a hotspot where there's a good chance that people have it? But even if you look it up and I say, okay, Nashville has, I don't know how many thousand cases, but if I then find out that 80% of those are in nursing homes or in some town, you look on the map and it's got an outbreak, but you find out that outbreak was entirely in a meatpacking plant. So, okay, if I'm out in the suburbs and I'm going to master cuts or whatever the haircutting chain is called to get my haircut. Does that, you know,

and it's funny because we look back on people in old timey days when they didn't know anything about disease and they thought that like bad humors and the blood caused sickness. But we're finding out right now. Yeah. When it comes down to like how germs are transmitted, we still don't know anything. The average person,

I mean, like the common everyday knowledge in terms of how people shocked to find out how long you have to wash your hands to actually get the germs off them. You know, that's something that feels like we should have all learned in kindergarten, but it's like, oh no, if you're actually trying to kill germs, you've got to wash for a really long time and if you you know rewind by a year and just watch people washing their hands in say a men's restroom and count what percentage actually were disinfecting their hands i'm going to guess this right around zero yeah it's like and also we have the terrible example of films that are in media where it's just like just uh let me splash a little water on my hand and then

immediately go. Yeah, it's just the technicality of getting them wet does the job. Yeah, it's washing. And I think a lot of people, too, if you're not really aware of all of the risks and things, you'd be like, well, you just have to normally just wash your hands when you go to the bathroom

or something like that. It's like, when I walk through a store, why am I going to wash my hand? no like there's not pee or poo there yeah it's what like where people i've like i've even found myself even when jackie when she came on and we were talking about her opening the my third eye to the length of hand washing i'm just sort of like how limited you know like what the risks were that were real to me and it just takes a second for you to like open yourself and be like oh yeah that is vulnerability. And I wonder if that's just a thing, too. We talk about people just sort of rejecting this feeling that they could be at risk. And that's how they sort of reassert their feeling of like virality or feeling alive is by

being out there with no mask. Has anyone seen there's been some signs at least popping up in Massachusetts? I haven't seen them near where I live, but signs in the front of businesses that say, do not wear gloves while you're in here. Really? Yeah. I had my weekly family update call, and across Massachusetts at least,

there are signs that say, don't wear gloves in here. Wear your mask, but don't wear gloves because your gloves will just bring in the germs from the place you just were. There's no point in wearing them. And like you're not changing them every time. It's like, yeah, they're like, just sanitize your hands before coming in.

And after you leave, that's way like more helpful to yourself and other people than wearing gloves from store to store to store because then you're just spreading germs. Right. It's almost like you guys have to deal with the germs i'm just keeping them off my hands but like i don't give a fuck about they're like i got these hand condoms that i fuck the town with and i never change them turns out gloves in the store is a selfish approach or at least that's the tack massachusetts is taking well it makes sense because i see like unless you see

people i've seen people who clearly discarding their gloves like medical professionals like with the right technique and discarding them when they leave a store or whatever or about to enter but then like you're saying too there are a lot of people who are like the one pair of gloves gang these are my gloves yeah i don't want to wash my hands because I wear these gloves. And then I will touch them. Realistically, I don't have access to that many gloves. I don't either, so I'll wash my hands. So it's like, yeah, just sanitize your hands. I'm fine enough knowing that the hand washing is sufficient,

that I don't have to wear a glove in anywhere as long as I'm not touching my face or anything afterwards. I guess something that didn't occur to me until Jack brought up like the way we see hand washing in pop culture. I'm now thinking about all of the funny germaphobe characters like Monk. And what was the Jack Nicholson movie where he played? As good as it gets. Yeah. And now I wonder if I went back and watched them. I'm not even sure that Jack Nicholson was washing his hands long enough in the scene that was making fun of how much he washes his hands

yeah he's a fucking oracle yeah well no i'm saying that even he wasn't doing it enough i'm saying even looking back like like with monk and they would have like some hilarious thing where he would pull out his handkerchief before he would touch something dirty because he didn't want to get his hands dirty it's like that's not sanitary that handkerchief can carry yeah't want to get his hands dirty. It's like, that's not sanitary. That handkerchief can carry. Yeah, you want to start nitpicking his compulsions. But these were held up as like, you're an unmanly weirdo who needs medication because Jack Nicholson, thank God, took medicine at the end of the movie

that cured him of his hand-washing obsession. Where now, you have to look back and it's like, okay, even that comical exaggeration of what you know sanitation is was actually not no they actually he didn't go 20 seconds i'm pretty sure the medication he took was love uh the love of a good woman in hell and home but uh for us all i need to see that movie i've never seen it oh i i really used to love that movie. I've never seen it. Oh, I really used to love that movie. I haven't seen it. My mom has a cookie that was sent to her as a promotion because she votes in the Golden Globes

and all the time they get these interesting gifts to be like, please vote for our film. And as good as it gets, had laser printed stills from the film put onto frosting onto cookies. This was the early wave of printed cookies and my mom got such a kick out of that shit she fucking kept that shit in the refrigerator for fucking years i'm i would almost be willing to wager that if i go to her home right now that

that cookie may still be in the refrigerator because i asked to get rid of it she's like no but it's jack nicholson and it's a it's so interesting it's on this cookie i'm like it's that that cookie may still be in the refrigerator. Cause I asked, dude, get rid of it. She's like, no, but it's Jack Nicholson. And it's a, it's so interesting. It's on this cookie. I'm like, it's old trash,

but salute an immigrant mom for never wasting anything, especially if it looks like it was expensive. What is something you think is underrated? Underrated. I honestly, I think maybe we're all learning how much we underrated uh live music i yeah i i'm discovering this myself like i took it for granted you know that i'd be on tour for weeks at a time i could technically see live music every night and usually decided i need to

take a break i need a nap i need to go talk to people i need to take a break. I need to nap. I need to go talk to people. I need to catch up on work. I need to, you know, like after, after two nights with one band on tour, you're kind of like, okay, I get it. Right. No matter how much you like that band. And now I'd give anything to, to be in a loud room going, what? Over a beer. You know? Right. But yeah, I think I just didn't understand how much that was a part of my social life, is getting together and how good it is for our mental health to

see people gather and share an experience like that and also my own mental health, just being able to vent about what I'm pissed off about every night is, is invaluable. So just play loud.

Yeah. I mean, I, I kind of recommend everyone do it once, right? Like being a punk band and yell about the shit that pisses you off. Um, yeah.

Cause, cause my neighbors aren't appreciating it right now. You just, yeah, I'm sure. And I'm sure like a lot of you know what your fans get out of it is is similar to what what you get out of it and i'm sure they're they're missing that too it's wild to see people comment and and and and really just yeah to see how much people miss it and be like oh yeah this is the thing that we could i could

go to any shitty bar at any time and go see a band in Baltimore, right? There's so many bands in Baltimore. It's a great music scene. And the fact that I was like, nah, I'm good 90% of the time. I'm like, man, I really hope that I don't take it for granted in the same way in the future. I'm just dying to go to the echo and see one of la's 3 000 psych surf rock bands play i mean i mean that really flippantly because like when i when i was playing in a band i'm like why is everyone playing the same fucking psych surf rock shit but i really want to like now i'm like fuck it bro like send i'll go i want to be there i'd'd love to. Yeah, I love that super cool shoegazer effect you put with all your pedals on that guitar.

I love it, bro. Just keep doing that. But it got to the point where I was watching YouTube videos of my band playing and sending it to my room like, dude, remember this show? Dude, do you need someone to talk to? That's very heavy. I had a very vivid fantasy yesterday

of just making an excuse for leaving somewhere early, which I do all the time, but just being like, yeah, sorry, I've got a thing tomorrow, so it's been great seeing everybody, but I gotta get the fuck out of here. I'm like, man, I'm rusty. I'm rusty.

I'm not gonna... That is one of my top skills, yeah. Yeah. What about on the phone these days? That's true. Well, I got to go because I don't feel like talking anymore. My dog is on fire. I can't be on your phone.

I'm the opposite. I'm like, where you got to go? Where you got to go right now? What do you mean you got to go? What do you do what? Shut up. My worst nightmare being like, please don't make me lie to you. Honestly, that's the most aggressive move you can pull on a group Zoom call is go, where are you going?

Where are you going? What are you about to do? We know you're not going anywhere. Dude, you just cried about how you got broken up with, fool. You're not going nowhere, dude. Hang out on the call with the homies. Rough. These are people you just met on that call?

Yeah, I just Zoom bombed calls and they're like, dude, I told you to password protect this. And finally, Steven, what is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? I was thinking my favorite one, and not a lot of people think it's true,

hopefully, but the one from a few years ago about Finland finland not being real what what uh there was a there was a guy who like he heard from his parents like when he was a kid like they said you know finland wasn't real and uh he went on reddit about it and it just had some very, like, loose evidence. And he did it as a joke. He thought, hey, look at this funny shit my parents told me. And but then some people were like, hey, that adds up.

And then some, like, Finnish people were like, I exist. That's a great place for a conspiracy theory to end. It's just people screaming that they exist. I exist. We exist. Not just that the country isn't there, but the land mass is not there either. Oh, wow. Australia is a big target for this sort of conspiracy theory

with the flat earthers, I believe. But why Finland? Of all places. Things like that are born out of like some kind of weird white supremacist ideology too so why erase like a scandinavian like nordic country like what's the point too good to be true man too good yeah dude don't even oh dude don't even get my mind around a place like finland oh my god oh we should yeah we I feel like that's like only a matter of time that just like any country that has like decent infrastructure and values its citizens lives they're like that

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and we're back and we're gonna bring in super producer anna hosnier who also uh watched the last dance and was very uh it was fun to watch the last dance with you anna uh over text uh yeah no i i just really enjoyed your observations. You really got into the series and were surprised by things that I had taken for granted. There are very interesting characters that just get kind of glossed over in this. I think Rodman being... He doesn't get glossed over, but I mean, he's probably like you leave the documentary i think most people thinking he's probably more interesting than michael jordan i agree with that i'm a huge dennis head i was gonna make a video of to the like the leave britney alone as the leave

dennis alone because they're so hard on him and it always you know actually on the ethnically ambiguous episode that dropped today we talk a lot about how because these are black men they are always held to a higher standard of how they are supposed to act and no matter what they do it overshadows the fact that they actually are these incredibly gifted athletes like rodman came in and he delivered in every game regardless of how where he was or who he was partying with. But no one can look past that because it's like, well, you know, there's a higher standard. You wore a wedding dress. Yeah, there's just always a higher standard when you're a person of color

that you have to meet in order to get that sort of respect. Well, I think he also had a whole bunch of toxic masculinity going against him as well. Yeah. A lot of the other ways he's – there were many levels at which people were finding ways to fault him when I think if Dennis Rodman were a rookie a year ago or something, and we're starting to see this evolution,

we'd be like, man, this guy's an interesting guy. He's a cool guy. He's great. Watching him hit someone with a chair, what a treat. He had to do that wrestling, sorry to say. He had to. That's a great gig. He had to.

That's essential work there's like coded language that in sports it even comes up in this in that episode or in this last episode that was on where when it's a white player there's all this like why so scrappy he's a he's a gym rat he's like steve got heart it's like well yeah he's got heart you can tell he worked for everything he ever did you did not hear that applied to dennis robin dennis robin it's like or any of the like scotty pittman's like grew up in the hood escape getting shot used his natural basketball gifts to escape the hood like there's none of the talk of how hard dennis robin worked because i'm telling you he worked out more than anybody else on that court probably any two of them put together but with the little white guy it's always well you know he he earned everything you know he's a

scrappy scrappy gym rat because you know going up to those those brothers you know because who knows what kind of eugenic stuff was going on back in the antebellum period it's like what the fuck are you trying to imply with all this shit it's like it all goes back to like mandingo other eyes like the horsepower on these men kind of bullshit but yeah it is frustrating to hear that you get the same thing in football when there's a black quarterback and it's like well will he be more of a warren moon or a michael vick it's like well why can't he be a joe montana it's like and i don't even know if they notice themselves doing it no but it's something that i do not this documentary didn't like to talk a lot about because again this this stuff happened

during the i mean the la the rodney king riots like this was the 90s this was flashpoint for a lot of these issues and that Michael's whole thing was like no I'm not I'm just not gonna be that guy I don't know I know they're they nobody wants to watch a whole episode dedicated to that stuff but I would like I think we brought that up and I think it would be interesting to see someone like Michael with his outsized figure and how important he is to the culture to even hear somebody wrestle with that of saying like, that puts me, I have a choice to make. If I speak my mind, I will most likely completely like evaporate everything I've accomplished from a financial aspect, professionally. I don't know,

maybe my game is too good for somebody to bench me, but I know there will be problems if I open my mouth. And it, I would love to hear a very honest conversation about that with him, magic, a lot of the people involved, just because I think that's important for people to hear, because I think on certain levels, people have moments where they're like, should I speak out? And you start weighing what the risks are. And sometimes you're like, that was actually a good call. This person actually didn't end up being worthy of my defense. Or you might say, you might feel deeply guilty about it and say, oh my God, I could have, I may have been able to do something that would have changed the outcome. Whether that's for us on our level of maybe I could have helped somebody out on a personal level

or Michael Jordan and be like, what could I have done societally? I think that's a very, very nourishing conversation to witness and for people to begin to process because we were living in an age of where we're having to figure out if it's worth speaking our minds or or rather we just want to keep it low and keep you know not have too much turbulence and you know uh thrive that way it's it's interesting yeah it i was curious as to like i mean i felt like in general the documentary didn't uh didn't give dennis rodman a really fair like i don't know i mean i know it's not about him but it i it didn't it seemed to glaze over a lot of the dennis rodman stuff in a way that like it warranted further discussion and i wonder i'm like who is the person making the call to not

explore i mean like what what you're both talking about because it fits into the story perfectly there's space for it there's space for an entire episode of discussion but is it is it that michael doesn't want to have that discussion like at what point in the production were they like oh this would because it's clear that like as a network espn has wanted to have that discussion we saw that in the oj documentary but it just i'm like i i was just curious of like where did that stop where did they say we're going to go up to here and then for whatever reason we're not going to go any further and just make it a whatever 20 second segment well I feel like Jordan from the start has made it very clear that he doesn't like discussing the politics of certain things you know like it's all very like keep it to the basketball

keep it to the game keep your head in the game don't shoot consumers yeah keep it to the basketball, keep it to the game, keep your head in the game. Keep it to the shoe consumers. Yeah, keep it to the shoe consumers. Republicans buy shoes too. He likes to keep it. I mean, and that's a problem with the whole situation as well. He never felt comfortable to step out of line either because that was his reputation. But that's also the power of white supremacy because you're a man of color. All we have are examples of how bad shit goes when you want to call out white supremacy.

And again, I think these are such interesting conversations, especially to hear Michael Jordan talk about it. I think, you know, yeah, maybe we need that Dennis Rodman spinoff or whatever. But yeah, there's a lot. But I get too, but sports are an escape but i think that's a calculated risk they make is like when you start getting into things about you know not every everyone wants to talk about michael jordan and the bulls in that run everyone loves it clearly by this now does everybody want to have a really deep nuanced conversation about you know the hegemonic power of white supremacy in sports and our culture and what there leaves

our greatest heroes and their decision making i see that's where we're like well maybe we can do that a few years down the road but i think that's probably what the risk or at least what they were calculate their calculus was even talking about like scotty pippen's upbringing and almost framing it like it's this charles dickens story where like, wow, and one bedroom house with 13 kids and three of them were paralyzed. And it's like, okay. And they put that in because it informs his decision later to take a tiny contract that is a fraction of what he was worth because he was sending the money back home. Right. There's a huge, there's huge implications there in terms of how he had to live his life based on where he was from and why the place he was from was like that. Right. You kind of like, it just becomes like storybook. Well, inspirational. And you still see this in like draft guides, like, you know, grew up under tough circumstances. You know, the father was killed in prison when he was

13. It's like, okay, let's talk about that because you now want to immediately switch back to the sports. But the whole point of a 10 part documentary is we're going to go off the court. We're going to go behind the scenes and show the real people and what really makes them tick. And you spend so much of it on the practice court and on the bus. And it's like, man, every decision Scotty had to make, everything about his attitude, about the way he talks to authority figures is informed by where he's from. And he's a fascinating person because there's all these conflicts because he

knows he's, he's great. Did not want to overshadow. Michael was playing with someone who knew that if he felt threatened by him for one second, that he would just destroy him. Scotty had to balance this in a way that Michael didn't, you know, and obviously Michael's father was killed. That's a tragedy. But the support, you know, from his family and everything. And the same thing with Dennis. Dennis Rahman was homeless for two years out of high school and just stumbled onto a basketball

court. And now it's like, oh, it's all piercings and Kim Jong-un and hair dye. It's like, man, everything that he did was informed by where he was raised and where he was raised is like that for a reason. And you could could say well but that's too big of a subject to get into on a basketball doc but i don't know it's i thought the whole point was like talking about what a cultural phenomenon he was and this team was right how it extended beyond sports and extended beyond america okay well can we talk about this other stuff too instead of just it's like something that's kind of mentioned in passing? I feel like we have a very thorough understanding

of how Michael Jordan sees everything. Like that's what the documentary gave us or how Michael Jordan wants people to see everything. But that's it. But I think that's a thing everyone wanted too, though, based on yeah everyone tuning in week in week out just there was like there was something about that getting into the head of somebody that people you know most people who were growing up in the 80s and 90s probably

had a poster of or some kind of bulls something um yeah so i think there's just very deep nostalgia for a time when that seemed simpler. And I think was probably simpler for a lot of people. When our parents had really good jobs in the 90s. Can I just say one thing? The one thing I really respect about Jordan, and I've texted you guys about this over the last few weeks, is what an open crier he is. I love that considering he's in a sport and and he came from an era that was surrounded by toxic masculinity and to have that much emotion and to be so open about it like that scene with him lying on the ground falling with the basketball after having

won a championship like what yeah that and you know crying jordan meme all that you know he's very open with his emotions and i think that's kind of amazing. Like, there's so many layers to him in a way where you're like, okay, you know, he's this very fierce competitor. But I love how much he is just down to, like, I was going to say ball, like ball in both ways. But B-A-W-L. Yeah, like ball and ball. But you know some poor asshole made the mistake of trying to fucking sun him over crying. I can only imagine what Michael Jordan would respond if somebody was like, Hey, Mike, you crying, bro?

And that's all he needed. That's all he needed. And that was all he needed. And then, yeah, he died of a mysterious poisoning about 18 months later. So who's crying now, bitch? I wouldn't be surprised if we found out the crying meme was actually him. He was behind it. He's like, oh, you're going to make fun of me crying?

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