The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 129 (Best of 6/8/20-6/12/20)

Episode Date: June 14, 2020

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I didn't realize how nice it is to have another living thing in my home besides me. It's really done. I used to think like, for me, like a plant's like a baby. So I was like, I can't get pregnant with a plant yet. I'm not responsible enough. The plant baby will die. And I'm not trying to experience that trauma. So I hadn't done it.

But now that I've been in my house for so long, I was like, I some plants and some stuff in here and it really has like kind of brightened my mood a bit if that makes sense like do you guys have plants in your homes I still don't trust myself I have animals but I don't trust myself with a plant I need to unpack that the animals alive

the plants don't make noise if you don't make noise. If you don't give them water. Yeah. Yeah, that's my fear. Is that the alert system you're talking to on right now? It was like, ah! Yeah, I'm not responsible enough to keep plants from dying,

but it doesn't stop me from trying. How is being a plant parent um it does make me feel better than people so thank you guys for not owning pants because now i feel just the superiority of owning a plant um some of us you know create nature others cannot um you know like god created the heaven and the earth i created one plant uh no but it's good it's still very early so you know anything could happen don't ask me about this plant the next time that i come on this show because i don't know if it's gonna be a lot yeah it sounds like a tinder relationship now too where you're like so far so good but you know we'll see how it goes right i want to talk about this uh john amici study uh

the former nba player and organizer um was talking about this study where they basically sent a questionnaire to 10 000 respondents from white collar environments to ask the question of like what are the traits that they associate with black people and the answers for themselves are like beautiful strong athletic proud music sports uh so as he points out not exactly a broad swath of ideas but at least it's not negative but then he pointed out that when you ask those same 10 000 people what do you think other people associate with black people the answers became criminal athletic poor inferior uneducated gangs dangerous uh oh and he was pointing out that they haven't found those other people yet it's just the people who are answering the questions all giving themselves credit for uh having the still stereotypical but positive, not racist view,

but assuming that out there in other people, there exists these very overtly racist ideas. And it just reminded me of that Sony email hack leak. I bring it up a lot, but it's always stuck in my head. This Sony executive who was arguing that they shouldn't greenlight Denzel Washington's Equalizer 2. And he said,

I'm not saying the Equalizer should not have been made or that African-American actors should not have been used. I personallyrican-american actors should not have been used i personally think denzel washington is the best actor of his generation so whatever he says next will not be racist just because he qualified that okay casting him is saying we're okay with a double uh and not a home run basically is what he said and then he blames it on international audiences being racist i just think that that is a more prevalent dynamic than a lot of white people realize the idea that well it's out there other people are racist and that's just the reality that i'm dealing with but i'm one of the good ones and it's just that is upholding systemic racism and systemic white supremacy

just as much when you're just assuming that in other people yeah to clear, when you center whiteness, you are centering whiteness. Like you, especially if you are in a position of power, you know, I've been a stand-up comic for a long time. I tell jokes in front of an audience almost 99% of the time. I am telling jokes, even though they're black jokes, I'm telling them to a white audience, to a white palette. Even if they're from my perspective, they're to that white perspective. And the people who are in charge of like making decisions of like getting things on TV and putting movies out and distributing them, like they are very acutely aware that globally it's accepted that the Western world is white. Um, like a lot of foreign

countries, when they think of foreigners, they don't think of, um, they don't think of like a large multicultural, like swath. They think of white people like first. And the only way that's going to change is if people actually, um, make a stand against it. Um, or else it's just like, I just think it's a shame that like in the entire course of like human history, like we've had the film industry for like a little over 100 years. And it's been centered in whiteness that whole time. You know, if an asteroid crashes into the earth and we only ever got to center whiteness, I think that'd be pretty sad. So do better, I guess. Can you make this black and white?

Right. Yeah, please, listen to this in black and white. Even the things that they were associating, right? Like athletic, music, sports. Those are because those are actually places black people have been able to center themselves in just off of merit, off because the art was good enough because the skill was good enough to be the best and it's not movie like to your point

even saying they're not saying movies or books or other things um and i think it's interesting too just like what you're saying jack psychologically of like imagine like even if you're at a party right and people were telling like embarrassing stories yeah and you know you had one that happened to you that was so embarrassing but but you knew it's like well they don't know me i can say this happened to somebody else yeah and i'll do that to shield myself from fully owning the embarrassment of this moment and it still has the effect of me telling somebody an actual moment that happened that they can recognize happened to somebody else it's like the same way you could do that was saying like well what do you think and it's like okay uh this is what i think black people would be they're beautiful strong athletic now what do

you think other people well i think other people probably think that they're dangerous they'll probably mug you uh or like this one guy at the gym like might be looking at your butt all the time um and there's i'm sorry what was that last part i know like it does allow this sort of like psychological your defense mechanisms to come down when you're starting to frame things in the context of another person but somehow like a lot more negative stuff comes out because you're offered this distance or separation from those yeah i'm gonna try that on people i date you try that on people you date yeah what do you think other girls would think, complain about me?

That's literally, so that interview with John Amici happened on like a life coaches podcast, I think. And the life coach was like, I don't generally give life coaches that's not where I get most of my psychological

studies from but the person was saying that they actually ask people to get a sense of what they think they ask people what they think other people think because that's like where you get the unguarded truth from

people that's so interesting yeah i'm gonna trick some people in my life into saying some stuff well because it's also too like you know what actually i think about that too if like i've been critical of like a personal friend's work i've used the defense well you know like some people say yeah right because i don't want to be like, yo, this is trash. I'm going to be real with you. This is trash. I just don't think people will get it. Yeah.

Right, right, right. And I do. I get it. I think you're the greatest artist of our generation. If I saw this and I didn't know you and if I weren't friends with you, I would also still think that this is good, but I'm saying that other people would not the same thing yeah we always have to preserve ourselves or we never want to come off as the you know the bad guy yeah whatever that is whether that's bad for being honest or objectively bad because you have really you know shitty racist

ideas in your head. Totally. Yeah. What is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? I recently searched to find who was the costume designer on the movie

Hackers 1995. That movie I recently watched for the first time on VHS. You're welcome. Uh,

and it was life changing. One of the best movies I've ever seen in terms of how advanced all of the costumes are. And also I have never screamed so much watching a movie because everything they were saying made no sense. It's like when you watch cable news and people say stuff and you're just like what wait so what when you say their clothes are wearing are advanced like what do you mean by that okay so it's it's it's hard to describe but um basically in the movie it is it is about number one matthew lillard's costumes in that movie are

the best thing so matthew lillard plays this like lillard teen teen yeah peak Lillard's costumes in that movie are the best thing. So Matthew Lillard plays this peak Lillard, teen hacker. He's got shoulder-length hair, and he's wearing it in four braids. So they're the size of pigtails, but there's four of them around his head. But they're not like braids braids. They're not like little braids. He's just got four braids on his head. They're just braids. They're just braids they're not like little braids they're just four he's just got four braids on his head they're just braids they're just braids and there is another hacker who the first time you see him

is wearing two separate leopard print items he's wearing a leopard print top and he's wearing leopard print pants there's a lot of chains um matthew lillard wears a lot of like really oh my god at one point matthew lillard wears a sweater vest that is the Lou Reed transformer sweater but the top is like glittery and scalloped and he wears that and then he wears a belt that has a rag doll on it for no reason

like connect it just hanging from it? Just on the belt most of Matthew Lillard costumes I would say in this movie weigh at least 30 pounds. Like, yeah. But then he's also wearing these like paper thin,

paper thin tank tops a lot. Yeah. Then his pants are like extremely weighed down. It's, and also, oh my God, Angelina Jolie in this movie, please.

Like she wears the coolest fucking biker jacket I've ever seen. At one point she wears like, um, uh, just an all white everybody is wearing like o'neill sport tops in this you know like the rash guard she's wearing rash guards the whole movie i mean what is the tiny glasses tiny little glasses the line how old was angelina joe lee when this movie came out oh Oh, she must have been very young.

Yeah. We, for some reason, did a Bechdel cast on this episode. I know why. It was because it was my birthday and I wanted to. The line that always sticks with me, there's so many corny lines, but the line that it's like, there is no right or wrong.

There's only fun and boring. Yeah. Oh, wow. Hack the planet. Hack the planet, baby. And you like that because it completely defines your generation, right? This is, yeah.

Absolutely. I was shaped by this. There's one point where the main character whose name is Dade, gets an email. A.K.A. Crash Override. Crash Override, A.K.A. Zero Cool. He gets, so there's this FBI agent who's trying to get him to be a hacker for the FBI or whatever. And he sends Dade an email, but he doesn't just send him an email that dade reads on his computer

what happens what you see is dade receives a package in the mail he signs for a package he opens the package inside the package is a tiny computer he opens the computer and there's a video of the fbi guy going hey don't you want to join the fbi and then dade is like oh fuck imagine if every time you got an email you had to sign for a package and somebody gave you just a little computer. It's just the most retro future shit you can imagine and it's

so hard to wrap my head around because it's so different from how we actually use the internet and yet this movie was made less than 30 years ago. That's amazing. It's very amazing. My favorite example of movies misunderstanding the way computers function is from the year before that,

Disclosure, where they use virtual reality to store files in a filing cabinet. It's just the very basic interface of what a desktop computer does, but they are doing it via walking down a hallway and opening a door

to steal the file that is hidden there. Yes. It sounds like we're working with a similar version. Exactly. 90s Hollywood was desperately trying to take the most boring age of computers, which was just like straight up,

it's like numbers on a screen. Like you can't really do anything. It's just gateway. But they're trying to make it visually interesting. So in all of the scenes where Data's hacking, you just get a close-up on his face, and then it cuts to a DMT sort of visual of all these Fibonacci spirals

and equations floating across the screen over and over. You gotta watch it. I appreciate the effort. I really appreciate it, because I think that there's, in any year where there is a Googling sequence or a coding sequence sequence it's never fun to watch it's never ever ever fun to watch but the fun part that so i appreciate that they made

the effort and i also like my favorite part of any frantic googling sequence like especially on tv is like what word they come up with that isn't google or bing yeah they're like it's boo bull and you're just like yeah yeah we gotta gorkle this and you're just like you have to what they do this a lot on riverdale where they like they replace the name with something very close but they always make the characters say it out loud. So yeah, they're always like, we got to Borkle this. Or there was that like phase of television that I want to say, it's tapered off now as far as I know. But like in the early 2010s, there was a lot of, I think,

Bing money being sunk into getting name drops on TV shows where it would be just like, I don't know. I don't know where it is. I guess I got to Bing it. You're like, oh, yikes. Yeah, you see people scrolling through pages of Bing results and you're like, what? What is it?

Has anyone done this before? Didn't Bing get caught for just basically using Google results also? They got Bing'd. They just plugged Google into their thing. That's so funny. Yikes. All right, guys, let's take a quick break, and we'll be right back.

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They're just dreams. Dream Sequence is a new horror thriller from blumhouse television iheart radio and realm listen to dream sequence on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back a story that uh was on CNN, actually, about Camden, New Jersey, which abolished their police years ago. And it was after very similar complaints to what's going on in Minneapolis. And they've had a lot of success. It hasn't been perfect, but they've seen the violent crime in the city cut in half,

whereas a lot of the people who are so shocked about the idea of abolishing the police are amazed that people, they just assume that because humans are cruel or their version of humanity is cruel, that it's just going to be a complete free-for-all of people killing and robbing each other. And actually, when they abolished their police and, you know, reformed it in a new way that was from the ground up, they saw violent crime cut in half. And the reforms are all things like police abolitionists

are talking about, like having better representation. And yeah, it's just an interesting story that if you are one of the people who's like, police abolition is a non-starter, you should at least realize that your version of what would happen if the police were abolished in your town you know you need you need to learn more because that clearly isn't what happened in one of the places that actually did it yeah it's like and not for nothing it's not a non-starter because it's starting yeah exactly and if you google it it's not as scary as it seems it doesn't mean that there won't be people to come that you can call to help you a lot of it is about unarming people who should not have guns in the first

place. Uh, you don't need guns to do a wellness check. We've seen so many wellness checks go from the person actually was fine when we got here, but then we killed them. So, you know what I mean?

There's a certain areas of policing that need to be more specialized and have people who actually have the skills to help. Uh, one of those is domestic violence cases. Like what, you know, those police aren't helping people who are victims of domestic violence. So not proportionately, if you look at the numbers,

and if you look at the numbers within the force, whoo, that 20% to 40% jumps out at you. So it's just like there's still going to be people to protect and help you, but there's going to be care instead of, know what we're getting right now which is just aggressive police who are terrified apparently they're not always terrified we've seen those videos they are killing people on purpose um so yeah google it it's not it's not as crazy as it sounds it doesn't mean that there's just going to be robbers and cops breaking into your home because there's no popo to stop them yeah it's not an anarchist like platform it's organized there are like and i and i also understand like we were talking about a little bit yesterday like everyone is on a pretty steep

like most people are on a pretty steep learning curve with this stuff i know i am as well and it's like you know two weeks ago could i speak to police abolition at length no i couldn't i knew that it was something that i like i liked the concept of but i couldn't you know speak to it in detail and so it's like yeah just you know learn about places that have already um put things in place learn about police reform and how it has not actually served us much and usually just stands to waste a ton of taxpayers money. Like there's, you know, we're all learning shit. Police abolition is not as extreme as it sounds. And the current version of police is way, way more extreme than we give it credit for.

And then our mainstream media gives it credit for right and we're seeing it it's weird to see mainstream media lie to you while you're watching a video like on voiceover uh like we all saw in buffalo where the police officers attacked that 75 year old man but i listened to voiceover from the news that was like he has he fallen to the ground and i was like hey we saw him we saw him we saw him what to the ground yeah running over people is not something that we should all want those people were run over by a car not uh attacked by uh you know murderous police officer. That's the thing we're seeing a lot more of that I would think would be sort of an alarming trend is white supremacist police and just loose white supremacists, unaffiliated white supremacists, driving their cars into crowds of protesters. But it seems like the mainstream media, that kind of goes against the grain of what their

typical areas of interest are. It does seem like the Buffalo video was a turning point. People were like, that doesn't seem right. And also, old white people were like like that guy looks like me and they just pushed him down what the hey and so it does seem like we're starting to see a deluge of

of all these police videos and videos of police violence that have just been like I don't know they've just not been showing people we've just only seen like I've seen a lot of them on social media for weeks but like now i feel like they're breaking over into the mainstream again it's like shocking that we were in a version of reality where that was seen as normal like what we're

seeing in these videos but at the same time i'm glad that people are starting to see them at least and that the media is starting to show them. Although at the same time, the media, like the local news is no longer covering the marches during daytime TV. They're not preempting local programming. So, you know, now that there's not, you know, looting to show footage of looting, I feel like, I feel like even though the weekend was the biggest protest yet, they didn't cut in. It was only on CNN. It wasn't the local news covering it during the day. Yeah. It's interesting because we've seen how Donald Trump has really attacked mainstream media for their reporting on his behavior. But the bottom line is, is that truly mainstream media has almost started to serve a purpose of protecting the state and protecting, you know, the norms,

the societal norms that we've had that have not been okay. And it's very disheartening and disappointing because the news is what is informing most of our voter population. And it's the reason Twitter's always shocked when someone that we never thought would get elected gets elected. It's because there's a silent majority who they get their news from these people who are being so deeply irresponsible. And our politicians are afraid of the police. de Blasio got on television and told people that he thought it was fine that the police ran over his citizens. He said it. He said it. In LA, our own police chief got on the news and blamed us for killing George Floyd. So there's a real disconnect with these people. And it comes

from the money, guys we we can't change policy with people who are afraid of the police the police have been threatening him they've been threatened they doxed his daughter in in new york mayor de bellagio's daughter like eric out here in la is very afraid of them as well like we cannot change people who are thugs and bullies we have to take their money away it's's the only way. Right. And I would also recommend if, especially for the bigger cities, just look at how the police budget dwarfs any social service that is being given. There are some horrifying graphics. In LA, it's over 50% of the city's budget, but from city it's just it's billions of dollars being invested

to you know accomplish what exactly um yeah our homeless could be off the street you could actually walk down the street and not be super depressed to see people without homes and without care you know there's so many social programs and services that we're neglecting and like i've been seeing this a lot everywhere but people are like it's scary to think about defunding the police, but we've been defunding healthcare and education since the beginning of this country. And those are things that you need. You don't need cops. Do you wake up every day and need cops? No, maybe one day, someday. As a black, I try not to call them. If I was getting robbed right now, I wouldn't call the police. I'd be like, look, here are my things.

Let's just hash this out. I'd be like, good day, sir. It turns into just a meeting. Yeah, no. Stay up. Yeah, use those cards in the next three hours because I am going to turn them off. Bye-bye now. It's interesting i mean even on a local level of news reporting because i know that

most of the stories that we personally come into contact with are how the gigantic city protests are going and what the reality is of being at a protest that becomes uh people being you know like tear gassed and just driven at but at the hands of the police versus how the news spins it um but even on a local level i was there was a protest in my hometown last week and my aunt and uncle went to the beginning and then they left and later later in the night, the Brockton, Massachusetts police force just let loose on people before their curfew had even started. There was tear gassing, people were hurt.

And all you saw in the news the next morning and how a lot of my family who were not there interpreted it was, well, things just got wild and people started looting. If you look at the accounts of people who were there, there is a clearly marked, and it's mostly on Twitter, and it's mostly via live stream, but there's a clear, like, in, like, small local places, it's the same everywhere.

And it's, all you see is, well, look at, they smashed a Dunkin' Donuts. And you're like, that is not the point and that neglects so much of what happened it ignores the like the precedent for looting in the first place and it also just ignores everything between a peaceful protest and things arriving at that place like that you don't get there and avoid like the police and i don't know it's it's been bizarre to talk to my family about you know it's like there's people like people I went to high school with were there they were tear gas like how do you account for that in the news that you see and it's just you know it goes

down to a very local level of like how how stories are covered yeah and Americans we've gotten used to everybody lying to us. I mean, our president just just lies. Like it's gotten to the point where it's not even outrageous anymore. We're like, oh, yeah, he lied about that anyways. And it's weird to see everybody at every level doing it. The police have been lying as much as they possibly can. The mayor in Seattle lied and said that they were no longer going to tear gas their citizens but it turned out that they had just run out of tear gas and as soon as they re-upped they started tear gassing people again so i was like you just so you just made this statement as a flex because you were literally out of tear gas they're like no we care about people we're no

longer gonna gas y'all because we love y'all seattle be up then the next day they were like oh we got some more okay get it out there we take it back we take it back we take it back it's so and and even and and i think that there's also like i mean we've been seeing so many journalists are getting intentionally harmed by police and it's journalists who are trying to be on the ground and report the story accurately that are literally losing eyes. And go to Robert Evans' coverage in Portland. Journalists who are trying to cover the story on the ground accurately are being intentionally targeted.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you want to get a sense of how the police feel about just the general state of affairs right now uh the the mypd union leader had a press conference and it was just like he was so uh bitter and resentful and petulant and it just felt like you were watching a child have a meltdown. But I think that's a very, you know, police are very defensive and, you know, very good at closing lines around one another.

And I think that's, yeah, that's going to be something that has to be reckoned with as this progresses. Miles, you brought this story forward that I hadn't read, but I have read other stories like it that really underscore that it seems like we could be on the precipice of just all-out chaos, like a virtual civil war. We're on a knife's edge, for sure. And this story really, you know, so what happened was there's a multiracial family, and including, like, a couple.

There was a 16-year-old daughter, like, the mother of the husband in this couple, and they were like in this town and i believe it's uh forks washington yeah so what is that is that where um twilight's from oh i don't know anyway uh not important might be where the the green room is from also though the so yeah civic northwest so they're in washington uh and this was happening in clallam county and they were they were these people were shopping for camping equipment they're going on a camping trip then suddenly when they come out of the store they were quote accosted

by seven or eight carloads of people in the grocery store parking lot the people repeatedly asked if they were members of antifa and the way this outlet says an amorphous militant anti-fascist movement has become a bugaboo for some on the right the second part i did with i don't know about whatever uh and amorphous as well and then so then the family said they're just there to camp and they were like trying to move their car around these people and go to the campsite and then they said a couple cars were following them and they believed these people were armed following them. And when they got to the campsite, these people basically that were camping this family, they heard gunshots and chainsaws and they're like, OK, we got to get the fuck out of here. And they put their camping ship back together, tried to drive out.

And these people had basically blocked the road by chopping down the trees to block their car in to box them in and then these like high school students came and like got them out and like moved the trees and helped escort them to the sheriff's office but it's like what the fuck so this is what's happening is like people will see a multi-racial family with children and the conclusion is that's Antifa who's trying to kill us. And we need guns because Antifa is here in the form of this multiracial family. That's what the people's perception is. And when you look, the story goes further back to be like, why the fuck did these people, what in the world gave them the idea that Antifa was going to be there? So there was a guy in a town over who said, basically did a post that said,

you know, it's going to go down here in Sequim, Washington. He said, you may want to show your face to make sure this is a peaceful demonstration and declare all lives matter. And then complete, like that basically got the whole area of few towns all riled up off of this guy's Facebook post,

this guy who owns a gun store. And then his next post were like these mea culpa videos where he was kind of being like, because nothing happened, like it was all bullshit. And he was saying that he had asked people to protect them from Antifa infiltrators based on quote, intel he had received.

And then this is something he said in the video quote, I was told protesters were here. I was told Antifa's here and gonna trash the town. I had all this intel and then basically then goes back and he said i need people this is the guy who started the first place that i need people to bring it down a notch including me i'm sorry i got pretty jacked up about what's going on in our country right now that guy did have the wherewithal to be like whoa i know i got it's at least articulate i know it's so funny and i will you know as much as i hate to i will

give credit for credits due because it's so hard nowadays to get people to admit fault but it really is like yeah this is the shit that gets people killed and i wish that there was someone near who who can say that where it's like bro this is this is getting people killed and i think we do need to like we need to crack down on people doing that that stuff like we need to you know like the same way you got trump saying when people looting shooting like if we have cool we know people are going to be so afraid to move on trump but at the very least when people are posting videos we need to be banning these accounts we need we need law enforcement i mean not like they're going to ever do shit for us

but we need some some type of someone to step in and do something you know and that's what's so funny is like when people are like well what are afraid of like law enforcement and they're like well you know who's going to take care of this that and there where's law enforcement when a woman is sexually assaulted where's law enforcement in these cases where's law enforcement when a woman is sexually assaulted? Where's law enforcement in these cases? Where's law enforcement when people are trying to report stalkers to kill which is why we need to dismantle police bill of rights we need to get rid of that if you kill someone if like how the hell is it that if a doctor kills you or injures you trying to save your life we can sue the shit out of them but when someone is actively making an attempt on their life off of a bad judgment call they get to walk free that on paper just the map don't make sense yeah that's why i think more people can figure that out and i think this story also underlines just how how important it is for people who have these

kinds of like the capabilities to take life that they can actually see like what is actually going on because these people were just hopped up on a narrative of like fox news and just saying antifa is going to here to run our town out and that's it and everyone's prescribed that's the same thinking everyone's on and because everyone's looking at it one way that's why black people are treated as a monolith where all black people are a threat and it's the same the police are responding in the same way that's why the police system the system of policing as it is now does not work and that's why a lot of people are like we need more social workers you know a social worker can look at a a black or brown kid in in in like in an inner city area and say i understand

why this kid is frustrated i understand why they're actually in the streets because there's so little opportunity here that this is just the logical next step for them trying to survive. And then but the police come and go, this kid's a fucking. Oh, shit. They're trying to fucking get me. Ah, what the fuck? You know what I mean? We have to begin seeing things a little bit more clearly, too, because it just we're jumping to conclusions all like left and right.

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Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Ify, what is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false i think uh i think uh miles is kind of hidden on that i mean there's this you know there's this kind of everyone's like you know police brutality is bad this that and that but when we hear defund the police everyone starts to slow up where it's like well we need the police and really we don't i think there's a really good infographic going around showing the history of the police showing

this and i was just talking about this with someone earlier today when we just like when you think about car chases like like with all the technology and all the tracking that we have, the systems we have in place, you know, do we really need five, 10 police cars going at dangerous speeds through civilian roads to chase down one car when we have a helicopter that already costs so much to fly anyway, that's up with them that can just follow and then have this person because cars need gas the cars don't run forever so if you if it would just take you to actually sit down and and i think a lot of the problems is it's it's almost this brute force tactic when it comes to policing and that's the problem and it's in it at its core for me there's never any planning there's like it's never like okay what's the best most

efficient way to go about this the safest way it's never like, OK, what's the best, most efficient way to go about this? The safest way. It's always like, OK, let's grab their gang armor up and let's run in there and just do whatever we want. And then you should like it's so interesting because a lot of people have been asking like, oh, you know, it will. Oh, you know, well, the funny thing is, like all these white families, they're like, this is so hard to talk about with my kids. And people asking me about what I'm telling Naomi about this. And I was like, well, to be honest, Naomi, I'm not I'm letting her be just in her world of Sesame Street and ABC Mouse. The reason being is because my kid's black. This is a wall she's going to walk into eventually.

being is because my kid's black this is a wall she's going to walk into eventually so if i can let her just to have this like free few years of not knowing and experience what racism is and then have that conversation when she inevitably comes to school and be like hey uh some kid called me nigger well or some someone's being weird to me i'll be like oh okay well it's time to have this conversation because it really is like it's something we deal with. And it's and we're seeing live how cops operate, something that I'm sure me and Miles have known for a long time. One of my first lessons in this was when I was in Compton, this cop was chasing these dudes in my apartment complex and he runs by and they run after him and he ends up running down this cold, this nearby. It's like a, you know how some houses have property and then they're all the way, they're deeper into the space, but there's no through line. Like he ran down it and it was kind of closed off and we just we just hear like a bunch of gunshots they in so many shots they shot their own canine they shot the canine and they

planned they they they uh it was wild to see what happened with our own eyes and then see what was reported and what happened was they caught him down there and just started firing on him, killed him. And then they said that he shot the police dog. And that's why they shot him. He had no gun on him. We saw. And what made it worse was the family that lived in that inlet area, they were gone. But they let us come in their house. And they shot so much they that there was bullets

riddled all over their living room and they said luckily they were at church because if they were at home if they were watching tv they would have just been shot up and that's the same story man you know what i mean like it's it happens so much and the and the police are able to like you know obfuscate and try and just describe them murdering someone as like man then he shot the dog and like we had no choice and that's because the people that they're that hold them to account are their own yeah we're like all right so what happened here so like what are we gonna what are we gonna say here so well he probably shot the dog all right here yeah okay it really is slip and fall there's no and that's why we have no and that's why like these reforms are so

important so like when people are like let's ban chokeholds i'm like yeah fuck up man yeah that's why we have no, and that's why like these reforms are so important. So like when people are like, well, let's ban chokeholds. I'm like, hold the fuck up, man. That's again, that should have happened decades ago. We're past that. And again, the police have completely ceded their right to say that they're an entity worth funding in any meaningful way. Like, again, we have to, like you're saying if the police especially for black men you'll never have i've never seen a cop say sir can i help you not at all and if and if it

was it was just a sneaky way to just see where i'm going where i'm coming right where you're going yeah oh you lost i'm like okay don't fucking concern troll me dick i know what the fuck i know where you're i know where this is going but like this is i think it's all about being able to shift our how we look at things right there's like even there's a like for example the police right siobhan thomas who is a writer tweeted out she writes our rick and morty said for my friends and followers arguing for reforms of the police instead of major defunding ask yourself this have the police ever actually helped you or anyone you know or is your idea of the police predominantly been formed by movies and television because yes there are people who've committed crimes unfortunately i've had issues with in past relationships where like uh someone

i was dating needed actual like law enforcement help and it just never came yeah just didn't and let's just talk about the fact that you know they want to pretend that you know we we use something someone brought up that was good is we often use unarmed unarmed black man unarmed but who cares if if they were armed how many times are we looking at these videos of armed white men who have murdered who have hurt people who are somehow still able to be brought in without being shot. How many times? We see it so many times, yet we have to point out that the black people who are being slain are unarmed as if that makes a difference. Because it's true that they have it. There's just zero compassion.

They see it as sport. They see it as a chance. It's almost as if they hear that if the suspect is black, they know they can go in guns blazing. It's the same. It's the same idea that made to an off duty cop and his son drive down on a black man like it was hunting season. I get it really. It really shows. And so they do. They I think you should if we can make them go through so much before they can even grab a gun, you know, and I don't want to hear any of this like, well, what about this, this, this, and this? Someone just showed a survey. Only 48 cops were killed last year, and half of those were accidents that happened on themselves.

So that means 20-something cops are actually at risk out of the hundreds of thousands of police so with those odds i think you do you shouldn't have access to an m16 shouldn't have access and if you're this cavalier about calling in the national guard and other agencies then what the fuck do you need guns for if you're gonna if you're gonna call in over some peaceful protesters you don't need guns if you can't even because it's not what it's about you know what i mean it's just about saying oh well we have people starting to band together across you know class and racial lines to actually identify a common thread and it's us so we're gonna have to put that down because we need our money oh yeah and we need to keep expanding our police force i mean especially like when you

think about la the crime rate and new york i think crime rates have gone down by 75 since 1992 why do we need more cops like what's i don't i don't even understand the logic path of that there's less crime more cops 75 less since 92 but that's not what they're telling themselves yeah we talked on that uh we talked earlier and on that behind the Bastards about that David Grossman guy who goes around training them to think that their lives are eight times more in danger. There's this thing, this cop speak that you hear. I even hear people around me be like,

well, I heard this from a cop like cops love to act like they have this oh yeah inside track to some information and it's always fucking bullshit the people i know are bullshit i know two cops they were shitty people in high school right and i don't i don't even fuck with them i just remember like when facebook was cracking and like that first couple years out of college, I'm like, oh shit, that dude's a cop. Okay, yep. Yeah, no, it's a well-known fact

that people would join the police force with complexes and they plan to use them to lash out on citizens, but they're not going to lash out on every citizen. They're going to lash out on black citizens who they feel can't climb back in. Or whoever their target is. It could just be women or Latinos, whatever. People of color in general. out on every citizen they're gonna lash out on black citizens who they feel can't climb whoever their target i mean it could just be women it's or latinos whatever yeah people of color in general you know uh yeah and and it's so obvious when two weeks ago we got to see the same quote-unquote

protest but this time we got ars are strapped around people and we're not met with the same level we're not met there's two the the misinformation is so transparent and clear we have videos of police trucks dropping off bricks we have videos of people looting when you pay attention to the video they are not black yet you yet you have people playing this video, reporters playing this video and saying Black Lives Matter when they isn't a black life on camera. It's wild. It's like the fix is in, but it's not working. And now they're scrambling, which is why, which is why, you know, these CNNs and all this stuff, they're not going to make it through it either. Because you just see how quickly they lean to whichever side they feel like they lean to lean to to make the slam it's just ridiculous just going back to to biden real

quick i i feel like there there's a certain type of democrat who wanted biden to win so that they could stop paying attention to the news and i think we need to actively address that like over the coming like i still think you know we should vote for biden because i don't know what happens with trump continuing in the White House, but that cannot be the reason why. It can't be a situation where we go back to just assuming that everything is being taken care of. And you guys mentioned it earlier, that sort of political geometry of every time there's a Democrat in the White House, there's a triangulation that goes on where they have to you know consider have to appear uh tough on crime or conservative politically or conservative fiscally like all these different things that they feel they have to do whereas like republicans never feel like

they have to make concessions in the other direction. Yeah. But Democrats like that needs to stop and it can't be a thing. We stop paying attention. All that all that does. It's just accommodating white supremacy. Yeah, that's all it is. And that's all it has been. So whenever we're asking for real equality and these bills get to a point and legislators that get it, get it to a place where maybe it could get a vote and then it gets fucking destroyed and watered down. That's because then there are Democrats who are accommodating the white supremacy on the right or in their own districts.

And I think that's at least I think maybe that's the difference is we are less companies to are less willing to accommodate white supremacy to like when they just say, hey, fuck y'all, bro. If it ain't Black Lives Matter, fucking, I don't give, take your dollar somewhere else. We don't give a fuck. We actually don't. We don't give a fuck because the racists aren't making the shit that's good.

But go ahead, go over there if you like it. And I think that's the attitude that the Democrats also need to have is to stop accommodating these white supremacists. And it's easy. You can say, look, we're doing this because that's right. And if whatever,

I think a lot of arguments against like these structural changes, like they're only going to appeal to the, the economics of it ever, because there's no, there's no moral argument against any of these things. We're, we're seeing everything. So now it's like scrambling to be like,

well, then how can we obscure this in these other ways to try and, because we can't, this can't get too much momentum, but I think really what scrambling to be like well then how can we obscure this in these other ways to try and because we can't this can't get too much momentum but i think really what we need to be doing and i think that's a place where i'm finding myself at is like i'm not going to accommodate white supremacy so that means if i see it i will call it out i'm not gonna i'm not gonna be like oh there's white supremacy you know that was like a very 2017 2018 19 way of being like there it is i mean we see it but then i you know i was living in a reality where you see it and then like if enough people on twitter know who this person is maybe

they'll get fired and that's the little bit of justice i can taste um but i think we got eyes on bigger prizes now. The status quo is not inherently good. Like Americans have loved to tell our, the status quo of America is not that America is inherently good. It's that it's inherently white supremacist. America's soul is not inherently good. Like, I mean, I can,

I can just hear Biden saying that. Deep down, Americans are good. And Americans deep down are white supremacists. And that is something that needs to be actively addressed constantly on a daily basis. Yes. I just want to yes and that so much. Yes. I just want to yes and that so much. You know, when there's a high profile racist incident, so many of my like well-meaning white friends always rush to be like, this isn't who America is. America is better than that. It's like, where? When?

When was America better? Like, this is who we are. I think that that distinction, Jack, that you just talked about, like it's uncomfortable and difficult i think for a lot of people to swallow that this is who america is and getting back to normal quote-unquote getting back to the status quo would just be a return to all of these oppressive fucked up toxic systems that have ran shit for so long because this is who we are you know when we

say like oh it's a broken system it's not really broken like we've we've chosen we've chosen to set it up this way and that's the system that we have so like if you don't like the system it's not that it's broken it's it's functioning the way it was designed to function which is badly if you're black or brown brody uh finally what is a myth what's something people think is true you know to be false or vice versa um something that people think is true and i absolutely know to be false is that you do not have to check up on black people right now um the past uh like week um has been really busy for me personally like i've been like i I've been kind of sick, so I haven't been really able to go out and protest.

So I've been really active online. I've been, like, sharing links and stuff like that. And there's also, like, attention from the entertainment industry. So I'm, like, I got to, like, get my resume together. I got to, like, finish some scripts so I can send to people. Ironically, during this time where I should just be taking care of my own, you know, like mental

health and stuff. And even though people have good intentions when they like call to like check up and like text and stuff, I think I answered probably like a hundred check-ins last week. Um, and I don't want to anymore. Um, one of the first things I saw on Facebook for, um, white people to do during this time was just like a list of, um, things you could do to like examine your own self. And one of the very first ones was to check up on your black friends. And I screamed at my computer I was like no we don't need it I mean I'm only speaking for myself really but um just if you're gonna check in don't make it like a like a 5,000 word essay um I have gotten a couple of those um recently I have not answered them and I won't I'm just gonna pretend that they got lost in the mail or something or that it just has to be okay that sure you sent it but i'm we're not obligated to respond to it

yeah no i think that's the other thing and i i had i just stopped responding because it was so much labor to then like because half the time there were people who i think weren't even like looking for, I'm like a good, you think I'm like one of the good white people, right? Because there are a few buckets these things fall into. Yeah. Some are like, I just want to tell you, like, I get it now. And like, and I have like, I have a lot of work to do.

That's one I'm like, great. I'm not going to respond to that because that actually sounds like a person who knows they don't need to be responded to they just wanted to affirm like their solidarity yeah even close friends are close are different than um people who i haven't talked to in like a year who i haven't seen in like several years it's like you can check it on me a month from now when you know that Mike, like honestly, like as a comedian, one of the worst feelings is right when you're about to go on stage and you're going through your set in your head and you're trying to

concentrate and someone tries to strike up a conversation. My brain has felt like that moment, like all week um so like finally I've like taken some time to decompress because there was a minute where I really had to like look at my like I had to check in with myself and I realized that I was just like I am in a manic state because of things going on in the world yeah and the what i don't need right now is the that added guilt of not texting a friend back which is which is something i i answered all of those texts except for the one really long one in my mind i just i resolved in myself i'm like i pray for somebody to be like um hello back to me because i already had the fucking i was i

would have it would have gotten third degree burns from their fucking phone like that's and that's how i lived with it because i'm like i'm not in a situation at all where objectively i'm being rude i'm like no people are dealing with generational trauma in their own ways. I had to do the same thing, Brody. I was so angry. I became useless. I became inert. And I realized I had to begin to put these things on a scale. I say, what do I want to do? If I can stay angry or do I actually want to have my head in this game to be able to

give everything I have? Because if I want to stay in the game, I really have to take a second to make sure I know how to step back onto the field again. Because I was just running around out like gassed. If they had texting back in the civil rights movement, like in the 60s, we would have heard the same thing, I'm sure. So, yeah, it's definitely, yeah, it's it's definitely. Yeah, it's it's tough. But yeah, don't don't. Again, I tell everybody else I will be more impressed when I see people like if somehow I see a viral video of you like cursing out your racist dad. Yeah. Like in doing that and flipping your Thanksgiving table because someone decided to say black all lives matter, Frankie, or some you know that's i'm like wow don't talk about it be about it and i don't and i think the other thing too is we'll probably get into this with that tone deaf celebrity video we haven't heard we've heard enough words we've heard enough

words so like at this point they have no fucking meaning they really don't yeah and was it isn't my imagination because i've only seen the video once was that video in black and white or was it in color no you know we get we got into this man the black and white the monochrome the the nuances man of the aesthetic helps set up the black white binary that's why it has depth not because people didn't know how to color balance or people's skin was looking weird. Put a piano roll. Lacey, finally, what is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false?

This is probably random, but my myth is that Guy Fieri is a douchebag. Because Guy Fieri is a great guy. And he's donated millions of dollars to unemployed restaurant workers. He's openly spoken out about Black Lives Matter long before we reached this point with George Floyd and Breonna Taylor and Ahmaud Arbery. He's out here for the people. And all this time, I feel like we've been kissing asses of other problematic ass chefs because we thought that his shirts and spiky hair were ratchet. But he's actually a great guy. I love him. 100% agree.

He's got a good heart. And he like, I don't know, he like walks the walk as well. Like he gives back. He doesn't just say stuff. Yeah. walk as well like he gives he gives back he doesn't just say stuff yeah i mean like i can look out to like 2015 when he was out at protests in dc for black lives matter like he's been around and like he's donated so much money to worthy causes like just googling it i was like is he a saint we should start making prayer candles with him. I bet they exist.

Right. I want a Guy Fieri prayer candle so badly. But I just think we always look down on him. Yeah. Miles was talking on a recent episode about how his relationship to Guy Fieri really made him, like he had almost a spiritual experience in reevaluating how he feels about Guy Fieri.

He truly did. Yeah. I'm the same way. Like celebrities just occupy brands and, you know, like Einstein is still the smart guy brand. Jordan is still the basketball brand. And like, I feel like Guy Fieri, like, and Larry, the cable guy kind of got mixed up at some point like in our national consciousness and they're just like fully fully different that's exactly what it is because I think that Guy Fieri's aesthetic has long been co-opted by racists and by just kind of like the

you know the white people that you really just disdain. Like that one uncle in the family that you're like, oh, God, he's coming. And you know he's going to be drunk off beers and doing all his blackie jokes. And we just thought that that was what Guy Fieri was doing because of how he dressed and how he talked and the food he cooks. But we were wrong. We weren't listening. Yeah. No no and there's so many people getting canceled right now quote unquote so it's nice to like lift somebody up and and not all be so bad and i hopefully guy doesn't go back but he seems to have been doing the right thing for many years

now so i'm not worried about having to walk this back somebody uh somebody tweeted a picture of his hands and just a yet another lovable thing is he has a plump little baby hands uh not little they're not the size of a baby they're like uh grown up sized hands that are in the shape of a plump little baby hand um i know they gotta be so soft. I love that that's Jack's contribution. He's like, and he also has plump babies. He's like, okay, next topic. He's great.

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