The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 131 (Best of 6/22/20-6/26/20)

Episode Date: June 28, 2020

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Do it. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah. infotainment laugh extravaganza uh yeah so without further ado here is the weekly zeitgeist what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are i've looked up why is t-rex the most famous dinosaur do you guys does that ever you ever think about that i i didn't put it together until i had read

oedipus rex and then i was like oh that's what rex means and then i don't know do people just get lazy because like they just like like bow to the like monarchical structures or something i guess from what i could take from my limited research, because I was looking up dinosaur names to try and learn how to spell them or to challenge other people to spell them. And it's widely regarded as the most famous dinosaur. This is partly because it was the very first large carnivorous dinosaur to be discovered

and it was long believed to have been the largest that ever lived. Another factor was that it was probably the fiercest meat eater that ever lived and another reason is because possibly it was discovered in north america and its north american heritage may explain its position as the world's most famous dinosaur because you guys love crowing on about how you how you find dinosaurs and how great everything is yeah yeah well and also like you know the american empire is much more than the borders of the country like we make all we were making all nearly all the entertainment at one point so like we got everybody on this diet of

like yeah man like fucking america there's something up over there we just have we just have amazing pr uh you do you got a great pr machine although i will say the wheels do appear to be coming off slightly presently they're loose they're loose guys yeah what's the view what's the view from down there mate honestly honestly when i watch the news in america it looks like i imagine yeah the country is at a point when what would traditionally happen when a country whips itself up into this kind of state is that America would say, do you know what you guys need? Our military. Yeah. Yeah.

things like you know because of america's rampant unchecked racism this is like a thing like what's the sort of presentation of the unrest from you know the the perspective of new zealand it's it's hard to say because our news you get you guys get some you know you get a bit of coverage but the news outlets from which i'm getting my information are global or often they are they remain american because they seem to be uh keyed in most of what's happening the coverage is sort the news outlets from which I'm getting my information are global or often they remain American because they seem to be keyed in most to what's happening. The coverage is sort of like, my read on the coverage is sort of like, oh boy, I can't believe I left America in December 2019. Talk about a stroke of luck.

That's sort of my spin on the coverage. Right, right, right. Because I came back independent of anything that was happening and my spin on the coverage right right right because i've i you know i i came back independent of anything that was happening and my friends would say wow is it tough do you do you regret it and i say do i regret leaving new york city in december 2019 i say no that's what i say the other thing that was cool to see was, you know, in all over the country or all over the world, there were countries having their own marches for like in solidarity of black lives and things like that.

And I was very, very touching to see in New Zealand those happening. What is like, what's sort of the thing that motivates, you know, I think every country has an aspect of dealing with some kind of racism or whatever that essentially people were connecting to at any point. It wasn't just about narrowly this, but I think a lot of people felt connected of this feeling of oppression, colonization, things like that, slavery. Is there something, put me on to what the temperature is in New Zealand that obviously because you guys have your heads on straight as people like what else was kind of motivating people to go out there and show solidarity the the the marches initially were in sort of just total solidarity there was a big uh from the organizers specifically there was a a concerted effort to not shift focus or kind of um use it as a pivot point into local, you know, local oppression. But there is also, there's a growing black community in New Zealand

and then also traditionally they're like, I mean, we suffer from many of the same problems on a much smaller scale in terms of systemic oppression and a police force that, you know, disproportionately incarcerates Pasif and indigenous like maori people in new zealand and so i i think middle new zealand and sort of you know that we don't really have these polls in the way that america does politically but uh middle to right skewing new zealand i think we have this very we're quite proud of this lackadaisical like she'll be right aren't we lucky we're here and not there sort of approach.

And then beneath that, there's an undercurrent of people saying, well, it's very well for you to say that from inside of the status quo, but this is not working for everyone. And so I think it's just, it's very clear, even from here, that this is a moment in history. And it's sort of like, you know, if you ever wondered what you'd be doing when the worm turned it's pretty much what you're doing right now and so i think also because the um i mean i yeah i think also because of our relationship to covid19 and how we sort of have given it a bit of a spanking uh people quite excitedly and confidently were like well what better way to fucking get out in the streets than you know right than a fantastic cause like on sunday uh sunday two weeks ago that i i went to uh the march uh black lives march and then which would have been about 6 000 people

and then to a sports game with 45 000 people and i thought gee whiz aren't we living yeah yeah man that's why they even think that uh new zealand march for black lives drew nearly as many people as you know kkk palooza and tulsa that was our big our big goal we all sort of had an email going around we said let's let's get more people than trump and tulsa were you on it with the k-pop fans and the um of course yeah on tiktok you guys that was a that was a separate but equally important email thread i sort of spearheaded both of the threads nice i used i used that traditional chain mail approach where i say for this to 10 people or your crush won't like you back. And you'll be surprised how that mobilizes people. How effective that still is.

We need that NZDF to come through on the internet, man. Finally, what is a myth, Jahis? What is something people think is true you know to be false or vice versa? Here's a myth. That podcasting is better remote. I know. Like, you know, listen, listen, it's definitely nice to be sitting in my drawers right now. Y'all can't see him. You know what I'm saying? So I can have the thigh meat out. It's very nice to, you know, not have to get up and go somewhere.

have to get up and go somewhere uh we have figured it out shout out to all the editors and producers uh as guests and hosts of a podcast i'm letting you guys know right now we have the easiest part of this fucking job uh remotely right now uh so shout out to all of those but man the energy of being in a room uh there are some podcasters who are like yeah man i'm liking the remote i like it better and it's cool but as a performer yeah the energy of being in the room uh doing this i i miss it i think it is better and when we are able to get back in studio, I think all your favorite podcasts are going to churn out some of the best content that they've had in the past year. Because just the excitement and the energy of being back in the room together is going to be so evident in what you guys are going to listen to when it happens. So I don't know if that's a myth or not. when it happens so i don't know if that's a myth or not but you know if you're thinking that i just want to debunk from my own opinion that i think uh podcasting should be done uh as much as possible

face to face in person yeah yeah and i think there's probably there probably is a myth like i've kind of forgotten that they're doing it remotely or at least that there is a quality difference, you know, because like that's what I've just been listening to for the past few months. But yeah, I definitely think things will, I don't know, that there's like a, you know, a 10 to 15% diminishment of like the energy and the timing and stuff like that, that I think. a diminishment of like the energy and the timing and stuff like that, that I think.

Yeah. And just from a, yeah, from this side of the equation is definitely, I definitely miss being in the same room with you guys. He just, he misses you, Miles. He misses you.

He won't say it. I miss Jack too. And I miss, I miss, you know, getting obsessed, obsessed, like looking at his sweat stains and getting distracted by them while we

record. I know he's, and and i but the thing is i know jack is comfortable right now wearing his jean cutoffs because he's a never nude like tobias funke that's right but it is true like there is something yeah there's just an energy and obviously we are consummate professionals so people didn't even know oh we're not in the same room but that's because we're having a we're digging deep to give you guys that energy but like the first three first three weeks i it was so disorienting on top of trying to process everything that was going on but yeah i think to your point like i think there will be so much more laughter um like in light when people are back in the room because you know even like comedy podcasts like it's easy to still have fun and things like that. But like when funny people are all in the room together,

it's a completely different experience. And yeah, for sure. I definitely miss that. I mean, one thing I don't miss is, you know what I'm saying? Listen, you know, all podcast hosts are great. But, you know, we do. I have been liking the fact that

only I have been using this mic that I've been using for the past four months. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes you get up on these mics after somebody else used it. You got to spray them bad boys down with, you know, some Glade spray or something. So, you know, it's... Called Eco Lab. You know, so I do, I do, I'm not missing that. I'm not missing, you know, the multiple mic use, especially once we get back in after the covid shit you know but i think that's what that's the next step you know because yeah even the the day

we all had to shut our offices down we knew nothing is going to be the same when we come back and i think even like to these points like i think we're going to be learned to be more efficient like with our time uh like in how we work and what the things are that like how we do things in studio with mics and keeping things cleaner. Because it's wild. I think the longest time because of relatively low incidences of pandemics like this, it's been like, yeah, man, no sanitary guidelines is fine. Like we're just kind of rocking like that for 50 years or whatever. And now people I just I'm glad that there's like

sense now because rather than people being like okay germaphobe when you would like wipe some shit down at the grocery store before this it's like no it's standard now like yeah what were we thinking like we should actually just keep things as clean as possible yep but you know what's gonna happen now we all gonna live to a hundred now after you know once this past and we're gonna be stuck in our relationships even longer now. Right, right, right. You're like, Lord, take me on my 115th birthday.

In Korea, the mask wearing is much more normalized because of having gone through SARS, so I'm hoping that kind of carries over in America now. Hope so. Mamadou, what do you think is something that is overrated?

Something that's overrated. Wow, I'm about to make it kind of hot. I don't know how you guys think about this. It's what we love. It's cold in here. You could turn it up a little bit. I think chocolate. I know it's Juneteenth.

This is going to catch me some flack. But I think chocolate is overrated. Oh, the that what we're gonna do he's gonna be immature like that I think chocolate is overrated oh just chocolate okay look okay present your case my honor yeah thank you gladly I just don't think it's as popping as people make it out to be and that and I'm not saying that I think that like there's definitely chocolate industrial complex in there too, with holidays and stuff. Yeah, fuck big chocolate. There's other stuff that's also good.

It's crazy because you're looking at a chocolate woman right now. I am. So I'm overrated? Wow. That's the thing. Curious. I'm not saying that you're not a sweet person. I'm just saying that chocolate has been treated as the sweetest thing in the world for too long. I think it's cool.

Because it arguably is. I just, I'm flummoxed. And it's arguably is. That's the thing. And also, to your point, it arguably isn't. So I don't think it's as popping as it should be. And for me personally, and again, he asked me I just want to be clear. I just said what I thought.

100%. You can have that opinion. I mean, it's just like how Donald Trump stares directly into the sun and tries to fight it, you know, during an eclipse. Like, you can fight anything. So if you want to fight the sun,

you can fight the sun, you know? The wildest part is that I feel like you want me to the sun you can fight the sun you know the wildest part is that i feel like you want me to go to like the candy aisle after valentine's day and just stare down chocolate now like because i will like i'll be like i dare you to be 50 off like right that's not how i am so just fucking knock all the russell stover's boxes off the shelf and see if you're like fuck out of here yeah fuck the royal rachet who the fuck is that needs to just go ahead and keep it two virgils wait so and just tell us why tell us that they are the last minute chocolate for your side girls and for when you forgot about your wife have any of you had to explain the virgils thing to anybody they're like why are people saying like a virgil two virgils uh like

yeah you know like we've been in bondage for about what eight virgils right people like what um it's really funny when like whoa is that like i'm what's i'm like okay so virgil abloh only gave 50 never mind you know right yeah it's a whole story like you know it might not be for you you know but honestly i like it right because i'm like finally we're getting like some of our own language back that feels like it can't be sold and bought by white folks for money. Because they love to take, like, remember Fleek? They destroyed that in a week. Remember for Shizzle?

I'm still mad about for Shizzle. We had for Shizzle for less than 48 hours before they were like, for Shizzle, my nizzle. And I was like, well, there it goes. Snoop, pack it up. So I'm glad that we keep that and hotep jokes because they don't get a hotep jokes right so we were like what's a hotep yeah it's dr umar and why should i know what is a yakubian i will say though the funniest shit to me in the world is what is seeing a kufi on a white person that's like what when nancy pelosi

and all that were taking a knee with the kente club i'm like bro this ain't even right like there's nothing you thought you did it but you did it it was the first time i had gone to ghana in west africa i had met this canadian man who married a local woman and basically became a elder like a chief of his area so he had the designation of nana so he was called nana dave and he was like this yes and he had this he had the designation of Nana. So he was called Nana Dave. Stop. And he was like this, yes. Dave, Nana Dave. He had this Ghanaian wife. They are full out Kente, like, you know, because that's a very Ghanaian thing. Like, they're a Kente club.

And I saw this. Nana Skylar. I was like, are you? I'm like, this Canadian? Okay. I mean, he's out here. He's, like, building a hotel and, like, trying to do something, like, and live in the community but it was like very jarring when you see like white people were like oh yeah like i had to get out of there and i had to just come to africa and i'm like i'd be sick bro if i'm listen

i'm west african if i went back to west africa and some dude named spencer was running my town i'd beat the shit out of him yeah i couldn't but i was like i was like this is it and people like fuck you mean na na ch Like, this is Nana Chad. He runs our village. How did you come over here? That's Nana Bryce. That's Nana Taylor. Yeah, that's wife Karen.

That's Nana Lakin. And that's Nana Karen. How did they get over here? And that's Nana Kaylee. Hey, like, I don't, I couldn't do it. I don't, literally, like, I think that's the wild thing about Africa is that people don't realize that, like, some people are like, yo, I can't do this America shit, and they're black and they go there, and there's some people who are white, like, can't do this America shit.

Where things are set up for you to be the most successful, either honestly or not, and you go to Africa and then you somehow find yourself running shit, that's white supremacy. Right, right, right, exactly. Comes full circle, like still on that savior behavior, where you're like,

what do I provide for jobs? On that savior behavior where you're like what i provided jobs yeah save your behavior gotta let it go baby yeah not dave i'm not dave i can't i'm not joking i gotta find this photo it was like a jc penny mall portrait of like distinct like i've like you know how these portraits look normally of like a village elder or something like it's very stoic imposed and just to see this dude who was like sunburnt to shit uh and like with his wife but very like we're out here uh it's a surreal photo yeah it's also like it's that wild olan mills like kind of blue kind of little yeah textured background he's got two african person and a not the opposite african person and they're just

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Yes, yes. That's what I meant. The great explorer. That was flippant. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting. Again, the anti-colonizer slaver wave continues. The Teddy Roosevelt's white man on top statue is going to be taken down outside of the Natural

History Museum, which is, again, depending on whether or not you like racism, you'll have an opinion on that. But the statue itself, I remember seeing it. I was like, wait, it's like an indigenous person and a black person on either side of the horse? And he's a... Okay, well well that's an interesting message so that statue has a planned retirement and then even like the ice

cream the eskimo pie will no longer be branded as such i think dryers is the parent company they're doing away with that and if you want like a sports center style recap of white supremacy in full panic just watch fox news because like they almost kick off like every hour with like an eskimo pie now it's like they have like this like weird they always tune in with what what fucking company woke up today i guess uh sort of guffawing um and now you know columbus it's their turn uh for the woke armies of of Satan to put their attention upon this name. But I think it's, it's hard to say like,

you're going to just completely rename a city because it's the fucking capital. It's like the largest city in the state. There's a lot of signs are going to have to come down. But there is a petition right now to have the city renamed after a true son of Columbus, Guy Fieri, but change the name to Flavortown. I mean, obviously, that's a good call. I think for now, it's funny if it gets over the line right now because, you know, I mean, that's good marketing isn't it everyone's

going to want to go to flavor town and then yeah what say it holds if it's a placeholder but somehow you know sometimes people name these interim things and then they don't get around to getting changed 50 60 70 80 years from now you know a whole new generation will get to learn that this place is called flavor town because of the great guy fieri right yeah absolutely man i don't know i mean the again this is a thing that we were talking about even last week when there were talks of like what do you do with nathaniel bedford forest's you know statue in the tennessee capital like do you put up people like dolly parton that's a tennessee and people be proud of but honestly i think if you're going to be corrective you need

to put up representations of the antithesis of what that former offensive form stood for so if you have someone that is a colonizer then you have to you need to actually set that balance off by now enshrining somebody who is about liberation and things like that. I think just as a one-to-one, because it could be easy to just be like, yeah, that would be fun. Let's just replace it with something meaningless. But I think just for the ability for a dominant culture to enshrine some of their worst people, and we're trying to actually have some kind of sea change, then do the right thing and actually let's celebrate people that are doing the things that are getting us towards the future

we're trying to envision. I would suggest naming it after a Native American word, but there's no American towns named after a Native American word, so that would be too extreme, I'm sure. Just all of them? All of them. Yeah, like so many of them yeah i would i would agree was there what what's the plan for the statues are they going to get melted down like the things i

i often wonder about is is there a place for you know education through the horrors of the people who have been uh deified and put up in these statues is it worth creating essentially a you know a museum of horrors where you essentially advertise them with plaques which actually detail what they did instead of sort of you know like is there a revisionist history version of it where we say these the statues this is what they actually like here's what they were represented as here's what they actually did instead of just trying to sort of instead of this erasure approach of saying no no no everything's

been hunky-dory here since dot one i mean how do you how do you actually you know what's the proper course correction in terms of re-educating ourselves and future generations on this stuff i think that's sort of the you know long-term discussion about you know clearly right now the what the last few weeks have established that there's an appetite for some level of equilibrium on some, whether that's, I think for people like us, we're talking about full on revamping, dismantling of these systems of oppression. That's the only way, I think is the only way we can truly move towards any semblance of uh equality but again this is a a slow-moving machine um and i think those steps are gonna have they're gonna take they're gonna take time but we

have to keep the pressure on and essentially yes there is going to have to be some kind of like truth and reconciliation committee something where america as a whole like through our educations like that we are officially taking the time to like be like we really need to sit down with what happened before you were born you know and remember what the momentum was your life carried into this moment because it's off the it's off the back of a lot of blood um and we were just we just did a really good job of doing the thing of like well let's not actually yes i think my parent sucks but i don't want to think about it because it's my parent you know

and they gave me life or whatever but sometimes you have to be like yo this this parent is a straight up piece of shit um but it's okay because i'm not a piece of shit and all i can do is at the very least acknowledge what a piece of shit looks like so we no longer have more pieces of shit out here running things yeah i do really like the idea i mean all all of the really rich uh fascinating cultures and uh intricate histories that were just completely wiped out by these assholes. You could fill every square foot of America with testaments to that stuff. And that is way more interesting than the version of history

that they give kids currently. Oh, yeah. It's almost like you could do a series. Maybe we should not include this, but i honestly think if you did a podcast that was about your city and it was a true crime podcast of how fucked your city has been that you don't know about it people would just have their minds blown and people didn't know that like in pasadena like black people couldn't like own property there to like the 60s you know what i mean and then people look at pasadena now like oh it's so many like liberal you know white people but again we have to remember like what liberal means versus like progressive or leftist

or someone who's actually fighting for equality because liberal just means like you're willing to stomach a certain level of white supremacy until a point miles jack can i tell you that i am so fucking tired yeah we do this every two years we do this every two years um this one felt different for a second we'll see what happens so fucking tired man um it's it's just it's always black folks getting murdered queer folks maybe we don't have rights all of a sudden and we don't know and and then and and this time we got lucky because this bunch of assholes decided that we get to have rights a couple of weeks ago uh uh women are are talking about all the stuff that happened in the workplace i'm i'm so fucking tired you guys like I I don't I wish that I had like a more eloquent

funny way to phrase it um and I probably will like literally three seconds after I get up I'll be like ah there was a funny line I could have said uh I'm just I I'm uh I I am at that intersection of like so many of these things where I'm just like i'm fucking exhausted um and uh i'm i'm i like tina fay i think she's very funny i think that she has long had um issues with and a lot of people have said like well that was the point of that character okay cool what about the other stuff what about like like you can say well the point of that character was that they were shitty but why there's a way to make jokes that reflect that the character is a shit person right there's a way to make jokes where it's like i just want to make that joke why on kimmy schmidt

was there a dude who was named like dong like that is a like uh and yeah that character had agency and was able to be like, that's shitty. But you kept making that joke, my dude. Yeah. And I'm not saying you can't make jokes that push the envelope or whatever, because that's always the defense. I'm not saying you can't do that. But actually do that. Don't just be like, oh,'re uh it's blackface it's whatever

it's there was this and we've talked about it i i think you guys have talked about it i think as a comedy community we've all talked about it in the 2000s we were all fucking reckless man like oh yeah like the currency was be as shocking as you could do the most shocking shit you could yes and that was the currency and i think a lot of people have a lot to reckon with back then and i think a lot of us have moved on from that because we recognize that that was shitty and awful and lazy and actually like not because i think jokes about race that's like the boss level of humor and irony. If you can craft actually accurate, eloquent humor or jokes around race, it's not easy. And I think a lot of people just do the thing of like, dude, I'm just pointing out that that's racist and we're laughing that that thing is racist.

And that's lazy versus crafting some kind of joke that actually goes deeper than saying racism exists and actually you know exposing the psyche of the kinds of people who engage in it those are the jokes i find myself they're almost like the kind of jokes you don't laugh because they're so real just go well yeah like there's a huge difference between like oh well you guys are just supposed to know that i i did this thing like the several sarah silverman show you guys are just supposed to know that I did this thing, like the Sarah Silverman show. You guys are just supposed to know it was ironic. Eh.

Are we? Is that how jokes work? Because if it's not funny, whatever, it doesn't communicate the idea. So it's, and that was even in the 2000s. This was like too recent. Yeah. was even in the 2000s this was like too recent yeah and i'm not saying i have opinions about a cancel about cancel culture that i i i don't think it fucking exists first of all i think usually the people who are like oh we canceled blah blah blah we got them out of here it's kids man being stupid and wanting to spread memes on on on your uh on your twitter hashtags on your on

your tiktoks uh right the kids are doing most people who are genuinely thoughtful people are not going around being like we canceled this unless they're joking um it's not about a cancel culture it's about like yo you did this thing fucking own up to it learn and move on and i think that when people are able depending on what they did because some shit it's like like you raped a bunch of kids you don't maybe you get to just be in jail forever right um right but i do think that there is uh a space for people to learn and grow. But I also think that like, you should probably more than just erasing the shit that you did, acknowledge the learning and growing.

Yeah. Or realize, yo, actually I need to sub myself out. And I need to sub somebody else in. In capitalism, we are all just fucking pawns, dude. Like it's how much money we can make this person or that person or whatever. If you don't make them money, that's when you get quote unquote canceled because they're like, well, we can't make money off of you anymore. So we're just going to move you off the board. And everyone has a right to say what they will or will not

support monetarily. And a lot of the stuff I see that's anti-cancel culture is very much like, well, you have to support me or you have to support this. No, I don't. I don't support anything with my money and my resources. That's trash. And that's why companies say, like, we don't want to work with anyone anymore

because it's capitalism all the way down, dude. Has Jane Krakowski said anything about being in blackface? Does she have a Twitter account or even know what they like? Is she absolved because she didn't write it and she's merely like the actor? Because I'm curious to hear, too. Like, it's not, you know, on some level as a performer, you get the script and you're looking at it like, wait, I'm doing blackface in this episode. And you're like, oh, I'm oh, my God. Oh, I'm God, I love it.

It's going to be so funny, lol, lol, lol. Or did she feel really uncomfortable and just felt that societally she wasn't, you know, we weren't at a place where she could speak up and advocate on behalf of, you know, other people. Like, it's, I'm interesting to see all those levels because on, you know, it's not just Tina Fey. Like, it's also the actor who then

embodies the script and goes out there and i get it you have contracts and things like that but i'm just curious to know what they're feeling what like what their thought process is in this moment looking back when tina fey seems to be getting a lot of the you know headlines well and honestly she should be as uh it was her show she should be um yeah absolutely for sure for sure i'm just it's more like i feel like she has to account. I'm just curious what that experience is like for her. I wonder, well, because it's oh, God, it's like speaking up

about anything else, right? There's a possibility that she went in and said, I am really uncomfortable with this. Or I guess at that point had her management come in and say, we're really uncomfortable with this. And then someone smooths it over and says, no, like this is the intent it's totally gonna be fine we've been doing this forever we know what the line is and

we know that this is okay right and um also she is a very talented actress and she is really funny in that show name me major roles that she has done that hasn't been Tina Fey. Ally McBeal. Tight. Name me major roles. Well, no, no, no. And I think that that's great. But like.

That's where she, I mean, no, I don't. No, no, no, no, no. You're right. But like, name me in the last. Like, those were her things. And she, you know, we, and it does and it does it sucks man but it's you hit your wagon to a star and it's kind of like this is taking me to a certain point and this was even she wasn't even originally cast for that role that was supposed to be um what's her about sorry i can't

think of names right now my brain is rachel dratch um and in in the pilot that was rachel dratch and it wound up being her and i don't even, I don't know how much people get paid. I'm sure that it's more than I make, but it's also. Jean Crescent, like she's not bowling over Hollywood and getting a lot of work. That is one of those things where it's like, this might be my one, not to last me the rest of my life. She was a woman, um, who was not was not young um and that makes a difference and it doesn't excuse it but to me it makes more of a like it's not exactly like she could go and make a commiserate

like when i talk about people who work at doj and people who work at the white house and other stuff you would go to a law office and make that money. You could go to other places. Yeah. It's not the prestige. It's not the white house, but you can make that money elsewhere. I don't,

again, what is Jane? Is she going to work at a check? Like what's she going to do? There's no place for an actor or actor performer, you know, to go and just say like, well,

here's my resume. Okay. So can I get this, you know, acting teacher gig at this high. Okay. So can I get this acting teacher gig at this high school? You know what I mean? Because the industry is dominated by this singular way of thinking and a very homogeneous culture that is running it at the top. Yeah. That's the other thing, again, to this point of that has to be addressed too and broken up because that's the same thing yeah and even like with when uh you know john stewart was talking about like the writer's room practices

in the daily show sort of like we didn't you know we removed you know any kind of names that would signify like gender or race or anything like that so we're just going off the work but at a certain point because everybody's thinking the same you're just going to agree with everything that's reflecting your shared worldview and it's never going to challenge you and then you're like wait how did we end up like this and who's getting let into harvard and who has money to do ucb and who has money to do these unpaid internships where they can learn how to write things and who has blah blah the thing from i really like tina fe Bossy Pants memoir, but there's this passage where she talks about, it's like a joke, a sentence.

She's a very funny writer, but there's this passage where she writes about how she constructs a writer's room, and she literally says half of the people have to be from Harvard, and the other half of the people need to be from Second City or UCB. And it's just like, well, there's your problem. And then one screwball and one wacky one

who does the jokes that you say, yeah, we don't do that. I'm going to say this right now. I have been doing comedy. Okay, I've been, take it way back. I've been acting for basically all of my life. I mean, student stuff, the high school stuff, whatever. But I've been acting for most of my life. Like, uh, I mean, student stuff, uh, uh, the high school stuff, whatever, but I've been acting for most of my life. Um, I have been doing standup for, uh, gosh, I don't know, over a decade. I have been in LA, um, for what, six, seven years. And then when I first got here,

I was doing, um, a bunch of temp work and whatever. This is going to sound shitty, but it is true. this is going to sound shitty, but it is true. I am, I have a TV gig. I am working on TV and it's very recent. I have just now gotten to the point where I could afford a fucking UCB class. That is fucking stupid. No, that's fucking stupid. And, and my college is, is obviously like that stuff is also trash that I can't fucking afford or pay for. But at least, I mean, it's all shit, but at least those were loans. Before, and I'm not even kidding, before I got booked on a TV gig as a writer and to do voiceover, I could not afford a UCB class.

Right. Trash, man. Trash. Yeah. The only way I could, like, when I started getting into into comedy it's when i left politics and i just had to save a ton of money because i was like man i was just looking at these classes i'm like what the fuck is this like i gotta pay 600 bucks for some guy who i

don't think is funny to tell me how to write but fine and they're really ever fucking funny right and i'm like i guess i know but i know the game now and I can write a great game sketch. But also like when you have, the other thing is too, like you get instructors there who like don't understand your humor and shit on you or their, their critiques of your work has a dampening effect on your creativity rather than like being an actual nurturer, like as a teacher. you know, there's so many levels too, where there are a lot of cultural mismatches in comedy, where people are like telling groups of people that that's not funny, or this isn't as funny, but yeah, it's tough. At theater school. And this was, I mean, granted, this was a long time ago. I won't say how long, but I would get notes because I was the only black person in my theater class. I would get notes that would be like too urban to this to that like why are you this urban why are you this that or whatever um and from what and i get i've never i

will say this i have never experienced working at second city or ucb but for things i've heard from other people it's only been very recently where they've been like oh yeah i guess your all-black team can like do a herald or whatever i guess like yeah it's valid and you don't have to blank yourself totally out because when they say and this was an experience i had in vander school they say to make yourself neutral neutral is white neutral is not any anything else neutral is get rid of everything that's excuse me oh god i'm burping up coffee every like neutral is not the default is white and that is what is taught in schools is that uh you that is your default is you have to talk this way you have to whatever like you have to have midwestern accent you uh have to

be okay with straightening your hair and like some things are like okay like tattoos whatever i piercings okay i get it those things are optional but okay, like tattoos, whatever. I piercings. Okay. I get it. Those things are optional, but. Yeah. Who you are as a human being. You are as a human being. Yeah. But that, that is the expectation. If you want to get ahead, you have to be neutral and being neutral means being white.

Right. And I think this goes back to how at every level, no matter where someone is that you have opportunities to correct the course of these kinds of things. Like if you find yourself as a teacher, think of your curriculum and what you are, what you are communicating to your students, or if you work somewhere and you know that there people who apply for the job. It's probably because you don't post your job anywhere either. And it could be so insular that your job is strictly through word of mouth. And because of that, you've completely cut off people who are not in your social group or socioeconomic class. There are things like that, just very subtle things you could look at that are very telling and people can actually do little things like do that work.

Do you pay for your internships? And if you do, what colleges are you looking through? Are you just looking for colleges or are you also looking? There are very talented people in all things like it. Would it be possible for people to say, I want to do an internship? And yeah, maybe I did community college, but I haven't done, I'm not at Harvard. Like maybe I've done, or even I've written this many articles that have been published or I've written these things. I can show you my work. Yeah. I didn't get into Yale, but like I, cause for some of this, I'm sorry, man, for comedy

writing. You don't gotta fucking go to fucking Yale, man. I'm sorry. You don't, you don't. Yeah. You have to go to Harvard. You don't need to shit. You gotta go to fucking Yale, man. I'm sorry. You don't. You don't. Yeah, you have to go to Harvard. You don't need to be in the Lampoon. We're not splitting fucking atoms here, man.

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And we're back real quick. I don't think we got a chance to talk about, uh, they looked at the security tape. They checked the receipts on, uh, that cop who, uh, said there was a tampon placed in his uh frappuccino uh-huh uh and there nothing that that didn't happen um so it seems like the police are really out of touch with the the wonders of video like you're fucking kidding me that was not real i thought the tampon bay fucking ear with his flow pacino was the real story and that's not oh god then who so are people being mean to cops i don't get it it's all these stories are so incredible because it is watching like watching law enforcement officials

essentially write fanfic of their own persecution in real time yeah is an incredible exercise to see okay what would be the most egregious i guess a tampon what would a guy like me get at a i guess i would get a frappuccino at one of these places and like just kind of the a to b to c and and you know historically um starbucks has uh lest we forget has perpetuated a lot of fake anti-police violence uh when the when the young lady wrote pig on the guy's cup that he wrote on his own cup exactly uh so much self self-harm that's all they know is this self-harm they're truly just a vile group you know what i mean like and then when you look broadly at the conservative movement against uh starbucks killing christmas with their like not putting crosses on their

christmas cups it's it's like a lesser version of that but it's still the same sort of idea that like you can get everybody outraged by claiming starbucks is attacking you yeah well yeah i mean a lot of people have like the morals to actually follow through on any of like their supposed boycotts or anything because at the end of the day their their brains are fully fucked off consumer culture like there's no way that they're like yeah you know what i've really thought about my place in this consumer cycle and actually giving my money to starbucks isn't what i want aside from them destroying christmas i just think as an enterprise it's probably not a good idea for me to participate it's not that's not what it is it's just pump faking that's all these

people do just a pump fake i'm i won't go don't. Fuck you. We're doing the same thing. And watch, they still go. And they shut the fuck up. And now they're just like, well, then all right, pig on my own cup. Okay, idiot, you're still here. And you gave them your money, you fucking dummy. Now, we're getting this news in just now. But from the at Starbucks official account, they've announced that the new holiday cups will be cops on their cups.

that the new holiday cups will be cops on their cups. They're going to put cops in Santa outfits on their holiday cups, making everybody happy. Oh, man. Just saying, po, po, po, down the fucking chimney. Speaking of front row seat, so I did just want to do this quick guessing game of uh what do you think the classic movie is that has topped the box office uh at like drive-thru movie theaters and i will just say that

i think it i think it would be a fun movie to watch at a drive-thru i i'm trying to think of what i've seen ads for because i know like in la i've seen the of what I've seen ads for, because I know like in L.A., I've seen the older movies. I've seen them advertised have been like one was E.T. and another was like Peewee is another 80s movie. It's what decade is it from? Nineties. Oh, 90s movie is no. OK, I have I have a thought. I have a thought. Yeah.

Is it Independence Day? No, no. That have a thought. Yeah. Is it Independence Day? No. That's a good guess. What'd you say? Armageddon? No. The reason I think it's kind of appropriate is because a lot of the movie takes place in a parked car or parked

cars. Oh. Wait. The morning after? No. Wait. Oh, the morning after? No. No. Is that real or is that a pill? I thought that that was an apocalypse movie.

That might be just a pill. The day after tomorrow, you mean? Oh, the day after tomorrow. Right, right. Oh, yeah, because they're kind of huddled up in cars freezing a lot of times. Yeah. Wait, what? Okay, what is it?

Jurassic Park. Yeah. That's fair. freezing a lot of time yeah wait wait what okay what is it jurassic park that's fair is up there too it's but you were on the right track with uh spielberg but yeah um jurassic park the number one movie in in america last weekend for it's like the number one theater 517 000 but still this feels like the thing like in my mind i thought like a like a solar like a mag a solar flash you know magnetic for like wiping out the earth's electronics and i'm like that's why i have all the albums i will ever want to listen to on vinyl where i will never rely on the cd i can always have this shit on i

don't give a fuck there can be no electricity i can hand crank that shit and put my ear near the needle and i can still hear j dilla so there's shit like that where like this feels like that world where our technology has ceased so then all we can do is just completely go retrospective now with all the media we consume and it's like yes all right yeah get ready for the re-release of uh baps all right but act like you wouldn't see baps in a drive-thru oh i saw baps i've saw baps in the theater okay and i have my i know i have that ticket stub somewhere i saw it at the amc north six whatever happened to the short chubby one? It's fine. We'll talk about this out there. Justice for the short chubby one.

But the top 10 is Jurassic Park, Jaws at number two, then The Invisible Man. So there's like some newer movies. Trolls World Tour at number four. The Hunt, which is I think a A24 movie I think that was like not... No one cared. Yeah, the controversy was more than the movie was worth.

Oh, that's right. That's right. It was either A24 or Blumhouse, and I don't remember. I think it was both, maybe. Then Back to the Future, and then a new movie followed. Then E.T., then Jumanji, then The Goonies. It's like my favorite movies well a lot of yeah a lot of them were released kind of around vaguely this week um so i think a lot of people

are like well it's not necessarily an anniversary that you care about but it's right because i think back to the future was released around 25 to 35 years ago that makes sense um on like the first i don't know man you can't quote me uh but i think it was released like like there it's close enough to an anniversary where things are like it's back to the future man we'll just do it who cares and also yeah it's like good marketing from the drive the drive-ins because jack for that exact reason you're like oh i love that movie guess what you're the dad driving the kids to the drive yeah you know what i mean so if you can bait the parents like

because it's also funny like we're now we're in that phase where i remember like movies like my parents like oh you're gonna love this i used to love though if i loved it you're gonna love this one and i'm like what the fuck andromeda strain is bullshit bro like i don't like this shit like i was too young i was too young is what i'm saying right or like thunder he's like oh man this james bond i'm like this is old as shit bro this looks dumb as fuck to me but i remember that excitement of like a parent trying to be like you're gonna like this and be like kind of get you excited about the thing that they're excited about yeah i'm like put yeah so what do you do i never could get into the old james bond movies yeah i get it yeah that's a good question. Because I don't drive.

So what, do I just like pay an Uber driver to hang out with me for, oh God, do I have to date so I can go see movies now? Wow, hey, you're sitting on a genius rom-com script that Lifetime will probably buy immediately. Me too. I wonder if you could just like ride your bike up

or like what, you know, like, and just because it's still, if people are getting, uh, we got out the paint for trying to get through a drive through for Wendy's. I'm not doing it for,

you know what I mean? Like I'm not, but yeah, so this is like, I, I haven't, uh, I'm single during core core.

I don't, and I don't have a car. Okay. So, you, so hop in. People offer rides at the very least. Do you want to borrow a car? Okay, see, date in the front, me in the back, the way God intended. It's a date mullet. Date mullet.

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