The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 14 (Best of 3/5/18-3/9/18)

Episode Date: March 11, 2018

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What's something that people believe to be true that is not actually true based on your experience? Josh, and I'm very excited for this one because i feel like you uh have come across all the myths in your time as the host of stuff you should know we we've been known chuck and i to have busted a myth or two here there um the one that i came up with for today is the myth that ignoring people in public is rude like pretending you don't even see somebody in public right oh i like this go on okay so so you know especially when people who may maybe live outside of cities come into cities one of the things they always remark is oh my gosh everybody's so rude they just don't even make eye contact. And there's this guy, this social scientist back in the 60s named Irving Goffman,

and he studied this phenomenon, and he concluded that actually what was going on was this really intricate dance that people who live in cities have kind of developed as a part of just being a productive member of society, where you act like the other person's not there. And what you're really doing is affording a certain measure of privacy for yourself and for them in places where their privacy is extremely scarce, which is why people who don't live in cities come to the city and don't get this because they have tons of privacy. So they like to interact in public. People who live in like a city where you're living on top of other people you don't have as much privacy so you pretend that the other person's not there it's called civil inattention it's actually pretty interesting

stuff yeah there's also a practical aspect to it too right because you can't if you acknowledged everybody in the city you would right you would not be able to get anywhere how do you do it's like yeah how are you sir how are you sir to you good day to you in new york you quickly learn that you have to look where you're going like about six feet in front of you at the ground where you're going and people just sort of intuit based on that where you're headed and like that's how you move through the city of New York. You can't, if you like try to look at people in the face, you're just going to get into all sorts of awkward things. And it's going to take you forever to like walk down a city block.

I guess it's true. Cause like when I've gone to like traveled to smaller towns or, or areas that aren't as like sort of just sprawling cities. Like when I went to Eugene, Oregon the first time, visiting my friend who went to U of O, shout out to Chris, I was at a convenience store and I was wearing a Lakers hat and someone was like, hey, so the Lakers, huh? Like they're a pretty good team.

And I was so suspicious of this person because in L.A., you don't fucking talk to anybody. It's like, let me just get my shit. I'm going to go. And I thought he was trying to scam me. I was like, okay, what's the ask here? I was like, yeah, man, they're a good team. And he's like, let me just get my shit. I'm going to go. And I thought he was trying to scam me. Right. Because I was like, okay, what's the ask here? I was like, yeah, man, they're a good team. And he's like, yeah, they're doing pretty well.

I was like, uh-huh. And he's like, all right, well, have a good day. And I was like, you too. And I walked out feeling like such an asshole because I had – I guess it's weird too. I wonder if there is some like a phenomenon too about the defenses that we have just being in cities too that are just different. That like when you know, when you, you, you,

you respond to friendliness of strangers in a different way. Cause I definitely have that. Or maybe that's my social inattention coming into. No, I think, I think you're right. You know, like when you're,

you have to be on guard in the city, even when you are actively ignoring other people. I think part of what, what Irving Goffman found was like, we're still ignoring one another, but we also have like a decent portion of our awareness and attention peripherally on everybody else. Right. Because there is a chance that somebody is going to like draw a knife and come at you.

Yeah, absolutely. I think living in the city, it has both of those things. Ignoring people while also being extremely threatened and frightened of other people. Right. Yeah. I guess I have cruel and unusual world syndrome right you watch the news so much like that's reality but actually i loved it though it made me realize how wired being wired like that in the city actually it doesn't vibe well with me i like to be able to be like oh everyone's friendly yeah and now

miles approaches everybody on the street and it's really becoming a problem especially hollywood hey man i'm getting scammed a lot welcome to hollywood yeah yeah you should dress up as like batman or something miles you'll meet a lot of people there that way miles i've been gone for a week yeah and uh daddy was gone i come back and the first story you want to talk about is that you think donald trump is actually making amer America great again. I've had a change of heart while you were gone. Okay.

Wow. I had some real interesting guests that didn't actually make it on the air, just some side conversations with people I met in Hollywood. take, but just the groundswell of activism and demonstrations that have been going on from the students in Florida to the West Virginia teachers, you're starting to see that people are really taking their power very seriously. And I just more wanted to bring it up in the context of the West Virginia teacher strike. So we talked about it last week, how they were, I think, just a week ago today when Sarah June was on, she brought it up uh how the teachers in west virginia went on strike because they're asking for a five percent pay increase and they were you know the governor and the state legislature

were playing hardball and so they had to go on strike last week the governor and the teachers union made an agreement they made a deal that said okay let's we'll agree to this five percent now we just need the State House and State Senate to vote on it. The State House passed a 5% increase. The State Senate, however, only passed a 4% increase. So the teachers are like, nah, fuck that. We're going back on strike because

we asked for 5%. Now, one of the reasons why is that the states like the head of the State Senate was basically saying that, you know, we can agree to 5% increase didn't take into account like what the state is actually bringing in. They're saying, well, we don't really have that money and they should actually – they're actually making a bad example to students because they're getting 80 percent of their demand. So they need to show what compromise is without really acknowledging that these teachers have been compromising for years. So now the strike continues and hopefully it will end soon.

But a lot of people, especially in West Virginia, like why don't rather than giving huge tax breaks to the energy sector, mostly coal, you know, you can you can roll some of that back and actually put money back into our pockets. Because this is sort of the methodology that these state houses use is they give tax cuts away. And this applies to all governments. They'll give tax cuts away or tax breaks to people. And then they make up for the money by taking stuff out of like public sector good or teachers or the education system. So this is just kind of interesting to see because the teachers are seeing how the state is prioritizing sort of corporate profit over the own well-being of the children in their state, and they're taking action. And what's crazy now is that this is starting to spread. So in Oklahoma, they seem to be planning another – a strike as well for the teachers there because they haven't had, I think, a pay rise in like 10 years.

And that state legislature too, they you know some breaks away to some of the oil producers uh people who are causing earthquakes yeah exactly so they are you know it's just interesting to see that now we have teachers too who are really taking it by the reins and like looking out for themselves and not only themselves but for the students because at the end of the day you want teachers who are happy doing their job. And a lot of – becoming a teacher isn't easy. Like you have – you take on student debt too to be a fully accredited teacher. And being paid nothing, it wears on you and you want to be able to focus on your students and be able to enrich their lives.

So it's just – it's a great thing to see now of all these people just kind of taking the power back. Yeah, and when we were having the tax debate, there were conversations about how a lot of teachers end up spending money out of their own pocket for school supplies because funding has been so drastically cut in recent years because public education has sort of fallen out of favor. Exactly. And now the new thing is like well guess what alongside being underpaid and being you know crushed under health care costs we want also we want you to learn how to shoot a gun that's right like whoa come on now don't just pile on the responsibilities like that so also another thing too is uh we'll add a link because the thing about these two states especially in oklahoma and west virginia those states specifically prohibit public sector workers from going on strike at all. So there's no strike pay.

These people are just depleting their own funds to take a stand for what's right. And, you know, I think this is a cause that's worth helping. We'll attach a link to our footnotes today so you can find out how you can contribute to the strike fund. West Virginia, I don't know if there's

one for Oklahoma yet. But, yeah, these teachers, they're losing money even trying to get fair pay. So, yes, we should help them out. Yeah. My education began in West Virginia public schools, actually, Wheeling, West Virginia, through second grade. And what was that like then? It was great as far as I know. I wasn't like the most discerning critic being that I was seven and had never been to another school before. And hooked on Paragoric.

Right. Yes. Not to mention. Paragoric. You're like, yeah, Miss Connors, are you satisfied with your wages? No? Okay. I'll go back to learning how to eat.

I did a lot of surveys. Yeah. I'll go back to learning how to read. I did a lot of surveys. We had an epic run on CNN and MSNBC by a gentleman named Sam Nunberg, with whom I was not familiar prior to this. I don't think anybody was. He really, you know, this was his debutante moment. Yeah. He came out swinging.

Yeah. this was his debutante moment. Yeah. He came out swinging. Yeah. Um, and before, you know, Fox news has come out and been like,

this was not fair. And it might not have been okay because he was clearly going through something. Uh, but this is also a dude who like got fired by Trump for being racist. So yeah, by Trump for being racist. So that's,

that's saying a lot. He liked the N word a lot on Facebook. Yeah. Very racist kettle and a very racist. That's saying a lot. He liked the N-word a lot on Facebook. He's a very racist kettle and a very racist pot. He also claims to have created the idea for the wall too. So shout out to you. But yeah, he's like a – so this guy, he's like a former Trump aide and Roger Stone lover. He's like, I'm his protege. So anyway, this guy got hit with a subpoena by Robert Mueller this week.

Last week I think he went to meet inform with a subpoena by Robert Mueller this week. Last week, I think he went to meet informally or did an interview with Robert Mueller. And then this week he got a subpoena saying, fam, you're going to have to say all that shit in front of a grand jury now. And we need you to hand over all your emails with people like Carter Page and Steve Bannon and Roger Stone, et cetera. And then he just blew a gasket because he was like last week he was on MSNBC saying like, you know, I don't think it's a waste of taxpayer money. Like they're doing a very thorough investigation and I fully intend to cooperate. And yeah, like I agree with this. Then suddenly it got real for him yesterday and he basically went on nearly every news outlet except Fox.

He even called into local New York news to basically be like, I'm not cooperating with Robert Mueller. He can't do shit. What is he going to do, arrest me? And which many US attorneys who are like on these shows are like yes yeah he can it's called contempt of court yeah absolutely so actually we have sort of a highlight reel of some of the things that he said on these various shows roger and i were treated like crap by donald trump okay the fact that i was fired for Facebook posts, which were fine, racially intensive. Do you think that would have cost us a vote?

Intensive? You know, I know Bob Mueller. I know that whole team. And they're right, and they probably have something on Trump. Trump did something pretty bad, I assume. What do they have? I don't know. I have no idea, but they have something.

Do you think they were more interested in Trump related to the criminal hacking which occurred? And we know there were stolen emails or in relation to all the social media? I think they were interested in something with his business. With his business? Wow. Yes. And if it's Roger, I'm not going to testify against Roger.

Roger did not do anything. Roger was treated terribly by Donald Trump. And he's one of Donald Trump's oldest advisors. Yeah, but Trump is the most disloyal person you're ever going to meet. I'm worried that they're trying to make a case against Rogers, that they're maneuvering. And what would that case be built on? I have no idea. I have no idea, but it's ridiculous. Would it relate to WikiLeaks? I can tell you, once again. Would it relate to WikiLeaks? It could relate to WikiLeaks. Does your lawyer think what you're doing now tonight is a good idea?

I have no idea. I think he may have dropped me, frankly. I don't know. I definitely know my father doesn't like it, and my father's one of my co-counselors. I think your family wants you home for Thanksgiving, and I hope you will testify. Here's the thing. Isn't this ridiculous? No, it's not ridiculous, Sam. That was a former U.S. attorney talking to him.

When he said, isn't this ridiculous? He's holding his subpoena from Robert Boat. Like in a crumpled fist like Harrison Ford. Just picking up a piece of paper and balling it up. No, Sam, this is not ridiculous. This is the law. And it's so sad for him. Yeah, because he's like using the argument of like, I don't believe Roger Stone is guilty.

Therefore, why do I have to cooperate? And clearly this is a man who the pressure is mounting right uh but that was just like kind of the more weird shit that he said that a lot of people in the trump camp are like what the fuck are you doing yes what is wrong with you yeah and he talked about how he had been very honest throughout this uh process which i don't know yeah but it was weird. He also had a couple weird moments, too, where, you know, this is something... Okay, so that was the shit that was dealing with Russia. At least on topic. Yeah, on topic.

And then he also just kind of was just talking some weird shit, also. Yeah, I said for Sarah Huckabee to start criticizing me, I would say, and I know you may not like it the way I say it, she should shut her fat mouth. You talked about her fat mouth. You called her a fat slob in another interview that you did on New York One.

I reached out to a Trump ally before you came on to say, what do you think about Sam? What would you say? And essentially this person told me, I just want to be direct because he's not the only one to say it. Yeah. You're drunk or off your meds. Talking to you, I have smelled alcohol on your breath. Well, I have not had a drink. You haven't had a drink, so that's not true.

No. No, you haven't had a drink today? My answer is no. I have not. Anything else? No. No. No.

Besides my meds. Okay. Okay. Yeah. it's tough i mean because in one aspect right this is a man it depends on what theory you want to subscribe to so here if there are a few theories around why this is happening one is that this is a roger stone orchestrated stunt because he has in the past said theater isn't politics he's like i, I look at it as performance art, and sometimes I do art for performance sake. So that's one way of looking at it, but I fail to see how this actually helps him. Okay, that's one thing.

He was angry at Trump is another one because they've had beef. He's been fired, like, I think twice and then rehired by Trump. And a lot of his comments were aimed at him being like, oh, he's disloyal or he did some crazy shit. So that could be one theory. Another one is that he might have been trying to impeach himself as a witness. And by doing this, just sort of showing himself to be an unreliable like witness who can't be used, which is an interesting theory. But I think most people feel like he may have just broke under the pressure.

And I think some of the argument is that like, well, this, they took advantage of a man who clearly is going through something. But the fact of the matter is like, this is someone who like reached out to all these places and this is a newsworthy thing. And I don't think anyone was necessarily exploiting the fact that he was like that. Many people were giving him legal advice and like, we're very concerned for him. This is not good for you. Yeah.

Yeah. Why are you doing that? And I guess it's kind of the fair thing journalistically to be like, we think you're drunk because that at least gives people some context for his behavior. obvious fox news taking the moral high ground like if they had if they had a mentally ill former obama aide who was like just ranting and raving they would make that person the new host of their like bill o'reilly hour right i think someone needs to interview his dad right i need to know more because this everything every one of trump's aides, once they get fired, it kind of just feels like they're just screaming at their dad. Right. The whole administration just feels like that.

Right. Where I'm just like, what did you – what do you need? What's happening right now? Yeah. Like how does his dad feel about the way that he talks about Roger Stone? You know what I mean? Right. It's like there's –

Because he over and over is like, he's like a father figure to me. He's my dad. Right. Oh, my gosh. He's like, no, to me my dad right oh my gosh he's like no i'm your dad sam yeah no roger is he'll never be my dad but yeah i guess this is i don't know it's very interesting to see because clearly yeah he's like they're trying to set roger stone up for a perjury trap so it may seem like a like roger uh muller already has all his emails yeah so he's just like bro i just need to put this shit on wax in front of a grand jury that i can prove that roger stone was lying to me yeah um and i think the pressure of that is became too much for him because i who knows he might think that he is sort of like the missing piece that connects a lot of other dots and maybe he

just feels like that responsibility is too great or he doesn't want to be you know known as that like you know the guy that ratted out roger stone but roger stone's also a scumbag well they're also like all narcissists so it's like hard for them to realize that anything is more powerful than them in any way and the u.s government is yeah even though they thought they were running it for a minute so it's like them having to confront the truth about themselves like oh, no. There is a legal system. Yeah. You're not above it. Right.

Yeah. And that's what a few people were saying. They're like, look, if witnesses could determine themselves if they wanted to testify because they believe the person is innocent or guilty, like we would not have a legal system. So like, fam, you can't just be like, no, he's innocent. So I don't have to cooperate. Yeah. But, you know, but by the end of the night, he did come around and saying, like, I will cooperate because I think once multiple news networks are like, this is not a good like what you're doing is ill. This is not good.

Yeah, exactly. One question I have just with regards to the media ethics of it is whether like was he booked on all these shows ahead of time or were the other shows like yo we need to get this guy on well first going through he went to the post in the new york times i think right and then katie turr at msnbc called him because he's like a media strategist so she had his number yeah and she's like yo why don't you come here and explain this and i don't think she expected him to just fully melt down. And then he went on Jake Tapper's show. Right. So did Tapper see his interview previously and was like, this guy is unhinged and book him immediately, like in that moment?

Yeah. Or I'm sure – yeah, because I mean I think it all started with the Katie Tour thing on MSNBC. So then that's when everyone was like, oh, we got to get him on our show. We got to get him on our show. Yeah, exactly. And Ari Melber, when he was on Ari Melber's show, like a lot of the clips came from that one. Like Ari is like an attorney or whatever and he was really trying to like help him map out what his thoughts were. And everyone like sort of on that broadcast was a little kind of like couldn't believe what was happening.

Yeah, I mean there's nobody that's just like do Putin now. Do Putin. Right, right, right. There's nobody that's like setting him up to fail. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think everyone is just kind of trying to be like, do you want to actually explain that here? Yeah. Right.

Is this the one that you'll because you're like the first person to say, fuck Bob Mueller. I'm not doing shit because he was like, we're going to arrest me. It's like, oh, yeah. Because like, do you remember Susan McDougal? Like she refused to testify in the the bill clinton thing and she went to jail for 18 months so do you know what the justice department is it can happen yeah uh all right we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back i'm carrie champion and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports,

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What is President Trump threatening? Yeah, so, explain this trade war to me. What's going on? What is President Trump threatening? Yeah, so, gosh, look, I am in no means a financial advisor or economics expert, but this is what essentially is going down. Last week, Trump basically said he would be enacting tariffs of 25% on imported steel and 10% on aluminum. And that sent the stock market just like plummet. It just went crazy because they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. What is this? Because I guess he unilaterally decided that he's going to impose these tariffs. So for people who don't know, a tariff is just a tax, right?

So he's basically saying to, I think, to protect domestic producers of steel and aluminum, you tax the imported version. So by price comparison, the local stuff is cheaper. So then you're going to use that and that will help America win. So that's a form of corporate welfare. Yeah, exactly. Yes. And what's really interesting is that the rationalization or the way they came to this decision. Because right now we're in the midst of renegotiating like NAFTA.

decision because right now we're in the midst of renegotiating like NAFTA. And it seems like suddenly we're going to tax steel, which we import a lot of steel from Mexico and Canada, actually. So that's weird. But he's really aiming it at China as well. But China supposedly uses Mexico and like the NAFTA deal as a loophole to basically trade us steel through Mexico. Those dump it in Mexico and then that's how it gets. And because of the good rates due to NAFTA, they're able to –

Right. Yeah. And so they're using this sort of weird, very weird loophole of using the argument for national security as to why they can just sort of go and unilaterally change these agreements like for this like overly protectionist sort of stance we're taking. unilaterally change these agreements like for this like overly protectionist sort of stance we're taking um and as if like you know this isn't really a significant national security issue because like no one at the state department a department of defense or the treasury none of them are like believe this is true because they all say like yeah the domestic capacity is we're

good like there's no need for this but they're using it as a way to sort of circumvent just properly negotiating. And the problem is that it's basically going to kick off, oh, so you're going to put taxes on our shit? Well, then now we're going to tax your shit. So you've heard from other countries that like, okay, well, then what if we begin heavily taxing things at the U.S. exports like whiskey or motorcycles or – Those leather eight leather baseball jackets. Yeah, exactly. And like when you think about it, those would hit districts that are pretty significant to the GOP, like Harley Davidson's or Paul Ryan. That's right in his neck of the woods.

Kentucky is a huge producer of whiskey. Bourbon. Yeah. So and I have Nancy Pelosi with Levi's, I think, is headquartered up there in the Bay. So there are a lot of people who are kind of like, yo, yo, what are you doing? Because clearly many people have tried to reason with the president saying like it's not just as easy as just saying, hey, we're hitting them with these tariffs and everything's all good. It's like this is all very interconnected. Like Gary Cohn was trying to say this can this can affect our construction and other manufacturers because it's just not the way to do it. And it's going to put in jeopardy your stock market streak that you're going on.

And then apparently there's this article in Axios where Trump kept accusing him of being a globalist. Right. So it's gotten very weird because what you're starting to see too is like with Rob Porter and Hope Hicks, like a lot of these people actually, they look after him to make sure he was doing the right thing and also keep kind of crazy people away from him. Like particularly Peter Navarro, who is the director of the trade industrial policy and the director of the White House National Trade Council. And he's like a Bannonite type guy.

Like he comes from that camp. He also wrote a book called Death by China Confronting the Dragon. China confronting the dragon. And he's like the kind of person that people like Kelly and Rob Porter, like they did not want to have near the president because he would just start saying his crazy fucking conspiratorial weird shit and get in his head. And there was apparently like a huge argument in the Oval Office about this. Kelly is still there, but he appears to be losing hope because he's speculating that God is punishing him with this job.

Right. So it's just like, what the fuck? Yeah, so it was a bunch of finger pointing of like, you guys are globalist cucks. And the other guys are like, you don't understand how interconnected the global markets are. And you can't just unilaterally do this. Because on one hand, it weakens our positions when we want to enter into agreements. Because there's no way that we can follow through with what we're saying if the president just tweets something the next day and throws everything out of whack. Right. So the first thought you have

in an economy is like, well, people aren't buying enough of our goods from us internally, so we're going to tax the other guy's goods. It's like the very first thought you have. And then you talk to people who are experts and they're like, well, but that actually hurts you and only helps like very specifically the people who like own those factories. Because, yeah, like you said, there's so much interconnection. connection. You know, people who run these companies, like car companies, are importing cheaper steel or aluminum from other countries. And so that's going to hurt like car manufacturers and the people who work in those factories, which are way more than the people who work in steel. So it has very specific benefits. I don't know. This is not the first time I've been reminded of the Vonnegut quote, the big trouble with dumb bastards is they're too dumb to believe there is such a thing

as being smart with Trump, because I feel like he gets the first idea and thinks he's the first person to have it. And it's like, no, that's like the first of 20 ideas people have and then discard and go to a better idea. And the last thing I'd say is just that, you know, the argument that there is a national security risk, I would just say, you know, most people think a big part of this huge, unprecedented period of peace that we've been living through for the past, you know, 50 years in terms of no major countries fighting one another, like not having world wars, not having wars that kill, you know, millions and millions of people. A lot of people think it's because of international trade. And because, you know, why would we invade China when we can get stuff from them that they do better than us and give them stuff that we do better than them. So it doesn't benefit anybody anymore to go to war. But trying to go back to this sort of isolationist nationalist stance is actually probably in the long run much worse for national security.

much worse for national security. Have you guys ever heard of the McDonald's or the Golden Arches theory of global peace, I think it's called? Yeah. Yeah, I have. I'm just reading a bunch of Pinker over my paternity week, but explain what that is. So it's basically, and it's been discredited now, but it held up for a really long time, I think, until some of the Yugoslavian countries went at it back in the 90s in the Balkans. But there was this period where

no country that had a McDonald's had ever gone to war, open war, with another country that had a McDonald's. And the basic idea behind this is that if you had a McDonald's, you had a thriving free trade democracy, a capitalist democracy, or at the very least, you had some form of capitalism. And the idea was that capitalist societies wanted to make money off of other capitalist societies, not go to war with them. So it kind of underscored what you were saying about the idea that free trade and globalism could conceivably promote peace, at least in a lot of people's minds. Certainly it doesn't sound like in Peter Navarro's mind. No, not at all. And I wonder about him. I'm sorry.

One more thing. I wonder about him if he kind of represents that whole guard that got Trump elected in the first place, which is kind of like just tear the whole place down and start over again. If you are an anti-globalist and you have the ear of the president, you might not care if there will be what you would consider short-term harm that would come from a trade war, especially if it disentrenched America from this kind of global economy that it's, it's a major part of now. Yeah. And that's why I was saying that I'm reading a lot of Pinker, like he just released a book, Enlightenment Now, which is his follow up to the Better Angels of Our Nature book that I was talking about a couple weeks ago. And, you know, his whole stance is that, like, when you look at statistics, you know, the world is becoming vastly more peaceful, because of, you know, his whole stance is that, like, when you look at statistics, you know, the world is becoming vastly more peaceful because of, you know, democracy spreading and international trade and, you know the things that we say to each other on social media

we people think things are getting worse and there's there is this idea that nah fuck it tear it all down things have gotten so bad and it's like no progress progress is working it's you know and it's not nothing is perfect and i don't want to say you know we're we're where we need to be. But things – when you look at most problems and compare them to where those problems were 100 years ago, things are just vastly better and even better when you compare it to 200 years ago. Yeah, the frustration reminds me of like when you're a kid and you're building a really elaborate Lego thing. Right. when you're a kid and you're building a really elaborate lego thing right and you misplace one piece like 10 pieces later and you're like fuck it and you smash the whole thing rather than just going back it's it's only 10 pieces ago you don't got to smash the whole fucking thing yeah you can address that and what's apparently like in this meeting that i was talking about this axios article trump just kept like shaming people by calling them globalists throughout the thing like to

rob porter he was like wow i didn't realize you were such a globalist and what's interesting is that like you know porter and i think john kelly and gary cone they were just kind of like resigned to the fact that like wow he's just in like this weird mood because the way the the adults in the room they thought they were going to have like a sequence of tariffs that would slowly guide the, like the president to the right decision. So they're like, first they, we put tariffs on solar panels and washing machines, like to compete with China. And then like on hundreds of Chinese products that were like stealing American intellectual property, which was like something that was imminent. And then like, and then maybe do the steel and aluminum if, if at that

point trump really thought that he still needs to slam them on this trade stuff but i guess at this point like he's fully committed because he kept also mentioning like my base needs this my base needs this and i think when you look at last week what was going on with hope hicks leaving which was a very close aid to him and all the terrible press about Jared and Ivanka. Like, I think this just sort of like triggered him going like, Oh, here's red meat for my base without thinking what this actually means. Right.

It was similar. Like even with the gun stuff last week when he was like, take the guns and then do process. Right. Like he was just, he's just, you know, like real,

no, the last thing that he heard. And right. Right. I mean, maybe the markets are responding positively today because people are now realizing, oh, he just says shit. Right. I can't believe we're still realizing that after a year. Like, people just can't believe that.

But it's the case, you know? Like, he just says stuff and then he either forgets it or backs off of it or maybe doubles down for a little while. But ultimately what he says, 5% of it must translate into official policy agenda. Right. Right. That's it. 95% of it is just like throwaway comments, you know? Yeah.

But I guess he doesn't realize what effects that can have simply tweeting like threatening a tariff like, oh, I sent the stock market plummeting. I don't know if he doesn't realize it. I think he probably gets a bit of a kick out of it to tell you the truth. Right. Well, I mean he's – Absolutely. But it's his one achievement. So you'd think he'd hold on to that. Times profile of him like that kind of did a survey of his first year and said that he gets

antsy anytime he doesn't see his name in the headlines for like a couple days. Yeah, I saw that as well. Yeah, he needs this. Because Hope Hicks and Jared and Ivanka were getting all the shine last week. Yeah, I've spent a lot of time thinking about sort of that progress thing I was talking about versus Trumpism because I wanted to see how this Pinker book was going to deal with Trumpism. And I don't think he does it sufficiently. But Gia Tolentino, who's a New Yorker writer, really good New Yorker writer, people should

Google her and read everything she's written. But she actually summed it up really well and kind of dovetails with what you were saying when I was about the Legos. She said, what hurts so badly right now, I think, is this sense of unexpected retrenchment, the fear that decades of incremental progress will be rapidly eradicated by an empty-headed demagogue who appears to be doing everything on a whim.

And that, I think, sums up how I feel about, you know, the idea of progress as it relates to where we're at with this guy at the moment. Well, look, let history also teach you a lesson here too. Trade wars don't really end well for anybody, right? Like we tried that with Canada after the Civil War. We like ended a reciprocal trade agreement with Canada. And to avoid tariffs, like 65 American manufacturers just moved their operations to Canada to avoid the tariffs. Right.

Or even like the Smoot-Hawley Act in 1930 basically was putting tariffs on pretty much anything that was imported, and that was disastrous. And a lot of people say that they agree that that probably made the Great Depression a lot worse than it could have been uh but you know history really isn't important so forget it never mind i'm just gonna go to yeah who has anything to learn from history suckers right i was gonna say that that lego analogy that was so perfect miles the thing is is sometimes you want to go smash the legos but normally there's an adult there that points out that's not really a good idea. Here's a better way. It feels like we're missing the adults now.

Yeah. There's nobody saying, wait, wait, wait, let's not do this. Or there's not enough people or the people who are saying this are not actually in power. But there's no adults to keep us from smashing the Legos or to keep that urge. Because it is a pretty understandable urge, that nihilism, when things are just this messed up and this polarized and there doesn't seem to be any hope whatsoever for any kind of resolution to it. Of course you want to smash the Legos. But to have somebody wiser or even with just a different perspective to say i know you want to smash the legos but don't do it because you're going to hate yourself later here let's just try this instead this is a better solution that that voice is is very much missing right now from from our world from america

at least it feels like yeah um yeah and i think with cone also threatening to leave over this whole tariff thing that would be the last of the adults, or at least the seemingly adult people in that administration. Is Kelly not an adult? I don't know. He's willing to compromise his dignity and beliefs at every turn, so it's hard to know. And he just seems exhausted. Yeah, he really seems like, man, I don't know. When you're speculating that God is punishing you, I don't know.

He's like, this is a deep cut, but do you remember Janine Garofalo's character in the cable guy when she worked at medieval times uh no well anyway there's a part where she's like he asked for silverware she's like there was there was no silverware in medieval times hence there's no silverware at medieval times and matthew broderick's like there's no silverware but they had pepsi and she just looks at him goes look i got a lot of tables man and that's kind of how john kelly's at now it's look, I got a lot of tables, man. And that's kind of how John Kelly's at now. He's like, look, I got a lot of tables, man. Just leave me alone. Just fucking leave me alone.

And just one last thing. Also, he's a horrible racist. Yeah. Even in the UK, right, they're trying to tell Trump this is a bad idea. Like the UK cabinet office minister, who is it, David Lidington, he was even like, yeah, you know, we tried that protectionist stuff with our car manufacturers in the 60s and 70s, and that actually didn't work. It protected inefficiencies, and we lost all our export markets because our competitors who were more competitive went out and gobbled those up from us. So everyone's trying to tell him like, no, no, no, this isn't the way to do it.

But I guess we'll just smash the Legos. Right. It was not Lidington, Mr. Trump. The election season happened yesterday in Texas. Miles, what did we learn? Well, we learned that Texas is poised to send two Latinas to Congress for the first time. Oh, no, that's good. That is good. Whoa, come on, buddy. That's the other podcast you do. Right, right.

The Daily Stormer. And it seems a little bit late considering the demographics in Texas, but either either way veronica escobar and sylvia garcia are on their way and the only reason we assume this is a foregone conclusion is because how solidly blue their districts are that they're running and so they are in one of the very few yeah and also uh beto o'rourke uh you know he got the nomination for the democrats to run against ted cruz uh and one of the really interesting things was the turnout was like historic uh in texas for democrats uh like i think in 2014 there's something like 600 000 democrats showed up this uh this go-around it was like something just over a million right so that's a huge indication that yeah but however the republicans

they were like i think one and a half million republicans came out to vote but that's just a function of them they're being more registered registered Republicans than Democrats in the state. And nonetheless, feels like a little bit. The Republicans are emphasizing this. Fox News is running with this story more than any other outlet. I saw that the Democrats are coming out in full force because I think they understand what the mainstream media didn't understand ahead of the 2016 election, that the more you cover how strong the other side is coming, the more people will be motivated to get out and actually vote. So, yeah, you're seeing the conservative media make a huge deal about the Democrats actually coming out. But, you know, the Republicans came out in massive numbers as well. And it's probably not going to happen for the Democrats in Texas.

It is just a sign that there is a blue wave, that they are so much – the numbers were stronger than they have been previously. And the one fun thing was, you know, as Ted Cruz and Beto O'Rourke, you know, that now we know that's going to be the Senate showdown. Ted Cruz released his dumbass country song to, song to flame Beto O'Rourke. Brendan, you'll have to listen to this. I have to hear this. Just critique this composition from the Ted Cruz campaign. If you're going to run in Texas, you can't be a liberal man because liberal thought is not the spirit of a lone star man

man and man yeah Texas and honest about your plans if you're gonna run in Texas you can't be a liberal man I remember reading stories Liberal Robert wanted to fit in Liberal, so he chose his name, Beto

And hit it with a grin Beto wants those open borders And wants to take our guns Not a chance on Earth you'll get a vote From millions of Texans You can take the suns You can't be a liberal man. I'm Ted Cruz, and I approve this message.

I'm Ted Cruz, and I approve this message. I'm Ted Cruz, and I approve this message, man. Yeah, he's trying to flame Beto O'Rourke because his name is Robert O'Rourke. He's Irish. Right. But he's also fluent in Spanish, but he's been called Beto like his whole life. Okay. And Ted Cruz is trying to be like, he changed his name.

I don't know what he's trying to – To appeal to Latino people. I guess. Maybe that's what he's trying to say. But also, remember, Ted Cruz, your real name is Raphael Edward Cruz. Right. So you changed your shit to – And you're Canadian.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't think that's a good song. I don't think it is. I don't think it's – I think those chords have been a little overused. I don't think they're going to grab your ear too much. And furthermore, I think it's just too many syllables per stanza. Right.

Yeah, they were shoehorning in a few things. They were really shoehorning. I don't name Robert. I was like, whoa, Libba. The only one that can really put that many syllables into a song is like John Popper from Blues Traveler. Like Busta Rhymes. You know, saying That kind of stuff. That's just too much stuff.

And liberal is just not a good word. They should have changed it to libtard. They should have changed it to a two-syllable. It's a three-syllable word. They're trying to make a two-syllable. Yeah, liberal. Just the messaging seems like...

I don't know what it's accomplishing because it's just telling us what the conventional wisdom is. It's like, you'll never beat us. You're a Democrat and they don't win in Texas. It's like, yeah, that's the conventional wisdom and we're trying to upset that. But like, I don't know. It didn't seem like an effective way to frame the race from their perspective. You're not going to get a stadium of people singing along to this not gonna work you gotta shorten it yeah you could probably pay about 20 plants at a rally to do it and then like people be like oh but still they would have to have like notes and they'd be looking

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Hi. Thanks for having me. Welcome to the Daily Zeitgeist. So you came on Monday and told us about what was supposed to be the Bachelor finale that didn't end up being the actual finale because – Jack, that was yesterday. That was yesterday. That was Tuesday. He's time traveling. Yes. Excuse him. Here we go with that whole, I was yesterday. That was yesterday. It was Tuesday. He's time traveling. Yes. Excuse him.

Here we go with that whole, I just had a baby. Okay. Yes. As you guys all don't know, I produce a podcast about The Bachelor. And it's called... Will You Accept This Rose? And it's hosted by... Arden Marine and Aaron Foley. And it's on... Not on this network. Anyway, but go on.

Remind me never to have her on. It's all just these plugs. I'm all plugs. You're all plugs all the time uh but so so what happened so last night was the two hour after the final rose because they just won't let us go right he dumped the girl he was supposed to so he dumped the girl becca that he picked he originally proposed to on monday night in the finale. Right. And because that had to take about a year to show on television, that was a three hour finale. Like I said yesterday, um,

I had to be put to bed afterward. Right. So that is longer than the Godfather. Just, yeah, exactly. Um, so last night was a two hour after the Rose where the girls that he

done after the Rose, right? Yeah. Jesus. I'm about to have PTSD flashbacks. Can I ask you a question? Has he ever offered a stem? Well, actually, funnily enough... Funnily enough.

Here we go. He gave her the rose, and then when she jumped to hug him, the top of the rose fell off from the original proposal, which is... That's how you knew? I knew immediately. I was like, well, this is not going to end well.

Really? I was joking, but that's really funny. So in the end... The metaphor, crumbling flowers before your face. She ended up with just a stem. And she was the likable one, right? And she was the one who had a personality and he dumped her for... Yes, Lauren B., the one he dumped her for...

Just doesn't have a ton of personality. She just doesn't say anything. A lot of what she says is, wow. And then he says, I love that. And that is all their conversations. Wow, I love that. She says, he tells her like, look, they went on a date in Italy where he's like, look, I've seen cheese like that before. And she was like, wow.

And he was like, yeah, I love that. And then they proceeded to be like, just looking at each other. And then he fell in love so hard. So yesterday, did he propose to anyone? Yes, he proposed to Lauren B. at the live show at the end. After he talked to Becca, they got some closure. And Lauren B. is a DJ?

No, not at all. at the live show at the end. After he talked to Becca, they got some closure. And Lauren B is a DJ? No. Not at all. Lauren B is like a tech saleswoman or something. Bodak Yellow? Yeah. She is a small, petite, blonde woman who seems to come from Trump-supporting parents who does not say much.

So she gets the proposal this time. So the show starts. They bring out Becca, who he dumped. She goes through all her feelings. It's like, oh, this time so he the show starts they bring out becca who he dumped she goes through all her feelings is like oh this is so terrible chris harrison has the nerve to be like everyone's attacking me on twitter which is like oh go wait chris harrison's the host guy yeah it's like nobody says he's being attacked yeah he's like i'm getting death threats which everyone's like yeah you filmed a breakup it's fucked oh i see i see so he filmed a which everyone's like, yeah, you filmed a breakup. It's fucked up. Oh, I see. I see.

So he filmed a breakup. Everyone's like, this is, oh, this is like the guy who filmed a suicide on YouTube. Right. I get it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So people are just like, why could you, how could you do that?

And then he makes the bachelor, the girl that he dumped Becca justified that it was okay for them to film her. So you could, she was like, yes, I understand that I went on this show, so I understand that really, I just, it was, you know, I gave up my rights, so it had to be filmed, and it helped me get past it. You know what you signed up for, right? Yeah.

They made her justify it so it could make Chris Harrison look better, but the whole situation was just awful. And it just came off like a hostage reading in a video. She's like, yes, I feel totally okay. ISIS is treating me fine. Yeah. And so –

I mean, guys, that is the contract though. You're entering into like – you're having your personal relationship filmed at any given hour. And they have – that's what the show – is that not the show? Yeah. And it is. I mean – And we'll commodify your trauma. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. And you agree basically the understanding is if you're in the final three you will have sex with yeah you get to go to a bachelor fantasy but you can turn it down but they usually don't because in america you feel like that's almost like a currency in a relationship right like don't you love me i will sleep with you right and then a lot of the time he sleeps with them and then is like, I'm going to dump you. Actually, never mind.

One of them does get sent home after the fantasy suite. Right. So that is, that's, yeah, they do sign up for some humiliation. Something I found very interesting watching Bachelor Winter Games where they had international contestants come in from all the international shows is a lot of the international people did not take the fantasy suite. Like one woman from Russia literally said, I couldn't look my mother in the eye if I went take the fantasy suite. Like one woman from Russia literally said, I couldn't look my mother in the eye if I went to the fantasy suite with you after this.

Wait, her mother was inside of the fantasy suite? Yes, her mother was there. Are you serious? Do you really want to come in here? What a twisted show. That's how they do it in Russia, man. That's how you cultivate a relationship. In America, we're all about winning at all costs.

It's like, look, if you got to fuck to get to that final fucking rose thing, then you fuck. Also, we learned that in Japan on The Bachelor, the furthest they go on tv is a hug they don't even kiss like the final two will maybe kiss but i still i just shake hands with my mother yeah okay i'm japanese oh i see i get it now okay anyway so they bring up ari to talk to becca after you know the breakup and it's very ari is our bachelor. Ari is our bachelor. And they have a weird, awkward, like, OK, conversation, which doesn't really go anywhere. And Ari just says everything is his fault, but then makes 100 excuses as to why it's not his fault.

Like, the pressure, which is just like. So it's not his fault, essentially. Look, any bachelor that accepts to do this and is surrounded with a room of what, like 40 gorgeous women, he will – 26. 26, okay. Let's say 26. That's a good amount of women. Yeah. Let's say 27 for the sake of this one.

And also like the bachelorette, the same thing. They lose their minds. Yeah. You're no longer in your right mind when people, attractive people are talking to you like you're a god. Right. Yeah. It's just crazy. So whatever he says – now what is he saying at the very end?

He says that what now what is he saying at the very end he says that well they all said you shouldn't have proposed if you were that unsure and which he goes i would just felt so pressured like chris harrison was looking at me like people wanted it i had to give them something the ratings baby the ratings it's basically what he said but she was like cool well you're an adult man you can make your own choices and so then so she was still like mad and openly criticizing him during the – She wasn't criticizing him. She said she forgave him. She was very always – the whole season was very level-headed and that's, I think, why people liked her so much.

Also, they started a GoFundMe for her, like fans. She made up to like 6,000, which she donated to cancer research on the show, which I thought was very nice. Wait, why a GoFundMe? Because people were like, you know what? We're going to send her some money for being dumped on live TV. Go have a drink, honey. Go to Mexico. Have a time of your life, which she was like, I don't need that money.

Yeah, Puerto Rico still needs electricity and running water. But anyway, let's send some money to this woman. Isn't the idea of just GoFundMe sound like a dismissive kind of angry thing? GoFundMe. GoFundMe. Hey, asshole. GoFundMe. Kind of go do anything and then they brought

on lauren b and ari together he proposed to her right then and there yeah wow that's they were like we're having the time of our lives and it's just so boring i love that yeah and then they left and then they announced the new bachelorette is going to be becca oh girl he dumped so oh really and then they brought in a few bachelors, like contestants to meet her to start the season off. Well, that was an interesting group of guys. One guy played banjo. And one guy brought a horse in, which I was like, you've got to stop bringing horses into

the studio. They shit everywhere. Wait, do they bring horses in a lot? It's a thing that people will show up in horses. One girl showed up with a camel once. I don't know where she got it. So hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm Lebanese.

Is the horse one of the bachelors? Yes. This whole guy is like, hey, I brought this horse because you always got to get back up on the horse, which I was like, take him out. He's not even a farmer. He just brought it in for the metaphor. I don't know. He was from, like, Wisconsin. It'd be hilarious. He didn't even know how to write he just brought it in for the metaphor i don't know he was from like wisconsin it'd be hilarious like he didn't even know how to write it is purely for the metaphor he's like oh god that's the thing he's scared of he got bust off the horse in in in the

bachelor of the bachelor i am so bewildered by how uncreative people are right yeah you know like that is a funny joke right well and then they were like get up on the horse and she's like i'm wearing a dress i just made her get up on the horse. And she's like, I'm wearing a dress. And they just made her get up on the horse anyway. Don't worry. We'll mosaic it out. Yeah. But, yeah.

Only these thousand people will see it. Should be an interesting season. I really liked her. The most dramatic season yet. Yeah. What a year. I didn't know such a boring human being could bring such a crazy show. So the reason this was dramatic is he proposed, which is how the season usually ends.

Yes. But they stuck with him through what usually also happens is after they propose and are engaged, they oftentimes will break up. They filmed the breakup, which came after the proposal, and then had another episode where he proposed to the other girl. So it was like a big twist-a-roo is why this is different than normal. Usually people wait about two years to break up because if you wait two years, you get to keep the ring, which is usually worth like $200,000. Is that true? Yes.

If you don't- Wait specifically to The Bachelor? Yeah. Or in just real life. On The Bachelor, yeah. Neil Lane shows up, as we call it. The corpse of Neil Lane shows up because he looks like a wax figure at this point. And he's the jeweler, Neil Lane.

Oh, got it. Infamous Neil Lane. He shows up like, let me show you this jewelry. He's really creepy. He is nothing famous in this room. We do not know him. Sounds a bit like Smeagol presenting the ring. He comes out.

We always joke that he's like a bat that wakes up and flies. It's just like, let me give you a ring. And then. But it's 200K and you can keep it? If you last for two years. Oh, hell yeah. If you don't last that long, you got to give the ring back. But if you last two years.

Has anybody ever broken up the day before? Like the guy was just like, this is not working out. I don't think so. You can last one more. At least you keep it to yourself. Yeah. Or you work together. Like gonna keep the ring let's put the money i mean people will like die early for money like that yeah there's a thing where like at a certain point the tax break for like death and inheritance was wearing off and so like all these people just died the day before that. Go watch Dateline. People murder each other daily for $25,000.

Yeah. Well, $25,000. That's good money. Alright. That's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show uh means the world to miles

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