The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 141 (Best of 8/31/20-9/4/20)

Episode Date: September 6, 2020

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all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. stop infotainment laugh extravaganza uh yeah so without further ado here is the weekly zeitgeist priscilla what is something you think is underrated um okay so hands down my home state of new jersey yeah okay hands down i just i feel like um especially you know now being a transplant so people always have to tell you what they think about where you come from um so i mean as soon as somebody as soon as i tell somebody from new jersey i just get dragged and i'm like how i just i don't even know you i get dragged to filth and i mean i'm just like also why would you like people like oh you mean the armpit of america and i'm like i was literally about to say that i was just about to say that to me that's where i come from yeah new york's garbage dump okay disrespect do you see

this shit this is what i'm talking about we think you mispronounced the garden state lacy no i said what i said no i think jack is correct and that's what i and that was my point number one flowers can grow in a landfill flowers can grow in a landfill okay rude okay and now here's the thing first of all as jack so kindly illustrated our nickname is the garden state you don't get that nickname if you're ugly and dirty. Gardens are pretty. But can we just say that, like, no one called y'all the Garden State? Like, y'all gave y'allself that nickname? And much like when anybody gives themselves a nickname.

Is that how say your names work? If I give myself the nickname Lil' Beautiful, and then I'm like, everyone calls me Lil' Beautiful. And it's like no one ever actually called me that. That's what y'all did with the Garden State. But you can all call me Lil' Beautiful because and it's like no one ever actually called me that. That's what y'all did with the Garden State. Well, you can all call me Lil' Beautiful, because that's what I call myself. Oh, is that how? I didn't even think about that. Is that how?

Do states name themselves? I thought that. I didn't even think about that. Oh, damn. And also, it doesn't help that the highway I probably spent the most time on is the Garden State Parkway. And the view from that is not very garden-y. It's not very verdant it's more factories highway what freeway have you been on where the that's true that's true the 101

yeah it's basically it's basically the one the the pch is the only good view highway that's barely a highway um right i mean but that was y'all trying to brand y'all were like oh the garden state parkway like we know what we looking at we know what we're looking at okay okay in conclusion okay here's what i also i have to say not with this political she's doing the political thumb listen everybody she is doing the bill cl thumb. The non-point. Laser pointer. Yeah, yeah. So here's the thing.

You know, you see, Lacey lived in New York for hot seconds, so she inherited their disrespect of our state as well. But as New Yorkers, as soon as they get money and shit start going right, where do they move to? Connecticut. Okay. You know what? I don't want to be on this podcast

anymore. Yes, Connecticut as well. Right, I'm sorry. And also New Jersey. And also New Jersey. Yeah. I love New Jersey. I love people from New Jersey. I love culture about New Jersey. And I fully

understand all the criticisms or bullshit about New Jersey I don't I don't like it when exactly like you're saying when there's that knee jerk like oh I've New Jersey's uh the armpit of America shit uh but anybody like people who are from New Jersey also talk shit about New Jersey right oh but I mean don't you talk i just dragged la right i'm gonna live here until i die i hate it i mean i think you know we're entitled to do that you know um yeah i mean i'm from texas so i mean everything's bigger every state okay yeah you know i mean we're cute that's not always a good thing listen our racism is also bigger you know um and armed 100 percent right we do everything the best that also means we're the best at racism you gotta take your your good with your bad yeah

uh what is something you think is overrated um Oh, all this talk about we're going to go to Mars. Like, oh, we're going to colonize Mars. It's like, first of all, I'm sorry. No, we're not. Like, it's not going to happen. And if it is, it's not while any of us are alive. And then, too, you think that Mars is so great. It's like here, but way worse.

It's going to be the stuff we have to do to make Mars as good as Earth is now. I just don't believe it so i feel like the idea of going to mars i was like oh yeah we're gonna a little i'm like no we're not like we can't deal with climate change there's no way we're gonna be able to like end up going to another planet we don't we don't we're not there maybe in 100 years we're not there now you know yeah thinking mars will be like earth is like the alien kids equivalent where like the alien kids like mom we want earth kids are like, Mom, we want Earth. We want Earth. She's like, we have Earth at home.

Cut to Mars. Right. Right. And they're like, ugh. I mean, kind of, but this ain't it, Mom. Yeah. I just feel like we can't do the work to maintain Earth. Why would you think that we could go and make another Earth on Mars?

It doesn't line up with reality. Right. Mars, overrated. We just keep ruining. We just spread out and ruin new and beautiful lands. Yeah, we fill the stars with our

garbage. We leave all of our one-use plastics out on the stars. We don't feel comfortable until there's a garbage gyre on Mars. That's when we're feeling it. Elon Musk has his fucking convertible jettisoned into space now. That's going to probably crash into some fucking planet.

Watch, that's going to set off the next interplanetary war is when his car fucking lands on some spaceship and you're like, it was sent from Earth. Did you find his keys in there? I subscribe to the Star Trek version that aliens know about

us they're just like we're not fucking with them yet they need to get their shit together and then like once we get reach a certain level of uh technology they'll be like okay we'll we'll acknowledge our existence but uh i have a feeling we will turn the red dot on Jupiter into a garbage jar before that. Yeah. And then they're never going to talk to us. They're never going to. We're always going to be. They'll be like, yeah, we're here, but we would rather not hang out with you guys.

Y'all aren't. By the way, I was wrong about the rods from God. We had talked about that on a recent episode. They were not a Nazi weapon. They were a 1950s weapon, but they would work. People have figured that out. Tungsten rods dropped from outer space. Remember I was talking about those giant.

Oh, when you're dropping, yeah, like poles from, yeah, the idea was dropping tungsten rods from outer space and they would really destroy the shit out of a planet they were or a country or a chunk of land they were dropped on so that's a possibility jesus always out there did you call them rods from god rods from gad

people i got i got just demolished by people rushing to correct me on that fact. Oh, History Channel gang came for you? History Channel Twitter came for you? Yep. Yeah, but I appreciate it. I only vaguely remember it. Now I can do a little research on Rods from God. Rods from God.

Yeah, let's talk Brandy v. Monica. Monica v. Brandyy i don't know the i think people went in pulling for brandy a little bit maybe and brandy one uh is the general uh kind of version that i'm getting but what why don't you guys tell me uh as i as I think Lacey, you actually watched it. Yeah. I watched the whole thing. Uh, as I was telling you guys before, we all thought it was going to be girls trip,

like a cute moment. And it was the Titanic. It was so long. It was a three hour Instagram live. It was disrespectful. I know I don't have anywhere to be, but by the end I was starting to feel like I have somewhere to be. Right.

I felt like they were rude to me. They were like, you don't have somewhere to be right i felt like they were rude to me they were like you don't have anywhere to go yeah i don't want to be reminded of that what else are you gonna do right and they knew it the girls knew and i sat there and i sat there until they did the boy is mine and they knew i was going to and i did uh brandy definitely won her discography like monica couldn't compete she's literally done songs with babyface whitney houston kanye west uh john tay austin like i could go down the list forever um even recently she's done some songs with like danielle caesar like there was no way monica could keep up and then but it was weird because brandy is if you've ever watched moesha she's basically her character on moesha she is childish she's petty and they had a long-standing beef

which we've talked about because monica hit brandy in the face and now you can see i have we talked about this on yesterday's episode and i was like oh i've got to see that video well thank you zeitgang i just had to check my mentions this morning and sure enough i got to see the video and you can see it in brandy's hair uh that like she had been punched right before coming out there like because her hair just looks like it's not like totally a mess but it's just like shaking a little bit like it's just a little maybe that was like the look but i i don't think it was uh and they just but it's it's wild that and they are both absolute pros they both nail the performance it's pretty awesome yeah monica's tired of brandy she even in the live

it's weird to watch a live where you're watching two people try to be nice to each other who right yeah what did you think maggie what did you see online this is this was my question i didn't watch the verses but okay let me just preface this i love brandy i love monica i grew up with them i love like not personally but i grew up there with their music i love them same um who didn't think that brandy was gonna win right from the beginning i was just like brandy's gonna win that like come on and second of all you said it was like a long thing do they really be having hits like that uh did they go did they go to b-sides and stuff and go to like tv theme songs and shit they went to b-sides a while for a bit they did do the tv theme songs and shit they went to b-side the y for a bit they did do the tv theme songs and we

did get impossible from cinderella don't play like you knew that was gonna happen it was like kind of torture for a little bit because i was like girl we don't know this song and then they both played their new music and listen no no that's i love them but but beautiful gowns beautiful gowns and if you don't know what beautiful gowns is a reference to aretha franklin was once asked about the vocal capabilities of taylor swift and she was like she has beautiful gowns we don't want to say nothing ugly you know you just give a compliment chat both of their songs were very beautiful gowns see they didn't need to have three hours for all of that just yeah and they also just looked like they were gonna fight the whole time like one at one point

brandy's like give me a high five monica it was like brandy was torturing her like this rich girl who's like i was watching an episode of gossip girl where like the rich girl tortures the poor girl and it's like she's like give me a high five monica and she grabs monica's hand and monica physically reaches away scowls like wow see i would watch the verses if it was just a fight right if world star went and sponsored that i would have watched that and i know one of the two would have been down i'm not gonna name the one i think would have been down but one of them would have been we all know the two would have been down. I'm not going to name the one I think would have been down, but one of them would have been real. We all know Gunika would have been down, but Maggie also.

I'm going to need for you to not give world star ideas because the last thing we need is a versus versus people fighting. And we would watch it. I would watch it. Don't say that out loud. If they were fighting to the music, like fighting to the soundtrack i would pay money to see that like they each get to put on the song for one round

why is brandy playing knock a few bucks she didn't do that's when you know she's she's ready uh the uh the one description of a of a moment that i read was uh monica like made brief allusion she was like i went through some times when i was you know i was going through some things brandy was like yeah i think i experienced some of those things that you were going through and monica like kind of thinking that she could get away with that as a good natured like uh joshing and monica was like why did you say that brady was like i was just joking it was so uncomfortable because the lyrics are kick down your doors and slap your chick just to tell her monica ain't having me

and brady was like i was the chick i got slapped we were like brandy we know shut up so they didn't you brought it up was that as close to actually addressing the fact that they had physically fought as it got that was the other thing about the slap it was very messy honestly it should have been produced at tyler perry studios because it was the most tyler perry project i've ever seen the only thing that's missing was like a little bit of hiv shaming and like an angry dark skin jk we got ray j so he covered his bases but she they brought up c murder who's in prison right now that they're trying to get out of prison and actually monica's working with kim kardashian that they're trying to get out of prison. Actually, Monica's working with Kim Kardashian

to try to get C-Murder out of prison. I really think C-Murder should maybe change his name to help the cause. CJ Walker. Right, there you go. Make people more sympathetic. CJ Walker, he just takes over Madam C.J. Walker's identity.

It would work. She talked about Monica saying that she was like first of all monica had t-shirts which i was like t-shirts free sea murder t-shirts this is so black i love you guys they're dating apparently she alluded to an entanglement um they alluded to usher and moesha dating or like usher and brandy dating there was a lot of messiness it was fantastic but yeah and so did brandy talk about kobe at all didn't she go to prom with kobe she only mentioned him in kind of like a rest in peace moment you know there had to be a a funeral moment it was because it was so black and tyler perry and um so she mentioned him brandy also did a lot of poems

if you can watch this anywhere live and you just want to like i don't know we'll waste three hours of your life it's fascinating i think this is by far the better version is just hearing you talk about it to be honest it had 1.2 million people watching i know harris came in and someone said i have to say even though it's totally against the agenda they were like damn is kamala harris gonna come back or is uh monica done checking in with her parole officer oh i know i cackled look we voted for kamala. We love Kamala. But she did come on screen behind the Ciroc bottles and say hello. That's amazing. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back in a moment. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts, separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago, when President Gerald Ford faced two

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There you go. Let's hear it. Am I late? I got a myth, y'all. So, you know, there's the myth of, and you may have heard of this, but like the hunter-gatherer, like why, you know, back when the myth of, and you may have heard of this, but like the hunter-gatherer, like why, you know, back when we were hunter-gatherers, why was it that men went to hunt and women stayed home to like do the berries and whatever? I don't know. They always tell

you about picking berries, right? Get them motherfucking berries. Do the berries. So, you know, the myth is that, you know, well, men were strong, men were faster men, and that's why they would go out hunting but the real the true reality behind that is this and this is from an anthropologist that when women when when men would go out right a hunting party of like six if three if only three came home um it would be sad it would be horrible everybody would be sad but eventually village life would go back to normal you know right but if a hunting party of six women went out and only three came back the village would fall apart and that's because women contributed so fucking much and so as a result of that like so we have this myth that it's like you know strength and that's why you know

guys go out there and but the truth is that, you know, hunter-gatherer societies recognize the importance and the value of women to the society and how integral we were. And if you lost one of us, you would feel the impact. Basically, hungry mothers give birth to more daughters because in a time of greater hunger body's thinking that. It's that that is what is better for the survival of the species. And therefore, that is what has come down to us through evolution. That's so dope. Damn. I mean, we have a bomb, right?

Chelsea, what is something you think is overrated? Oh, this one's fun. So our next season three premiere is on true crime and how true crimes informed our society, which, you know, is going to be really fun. But something I really am annoyed by is the idea that serial killers possess some sort of genius or intelligence. And if you don't mind, I would love to share a Zodiac quote that sort of proves my point. So yes, thank you. I appreciate that. So one of like the big Zodiac letters that came to police and the media was actually not about like a cipher or anything like that. It came on a card that said, sorry, your ass is a dragon. And it had two prospectors riding a

dragon with a donkey. I don't know. It's ridiculous. And then he wrote, quote, ready? If you don't want me to have this blast, meaning he was going to blow up the school bus, you must do two things. Tell everybody about the bus bomb with all the details. And then after he didn't see any buttons, he said this is the zodiac speaking i have become very upset with the people of san fran bay area they have not complied with my wishes for them to wear some nice zodiac buttons he was doing just like you're a fucking loser you're just such a loser this sounds like a podcast right i don't i don't like they're like wait a second fam why aren't you could you please wear some nice buttons fam i sent you a free zeitgeist simpsons t-shirt why aren't you wearing it yeah it's it's just like embarrassing when you read serial killer like

actual quotes you know because zodiac's like this mastermind and he alluded police but really he was just like a serious douchebag down right in his heart which of course we know but like it's just the genius thing and there's like ted bundy who was just like ridiculous in court defending himself and ranting and raving and just being you know an idiot but then he gets this like charming i don't know the way we reduce serial killers i think is is a frustration to me and i think i and it's like i genuinely harmful you i mean to like glorify it and also just because it's you would think you know maybe perhaps that people would be less fascinated by them if they realized you know kind of how they're losers they're truly profoundly losers true losers it's not cool to be a serial killer and you know also the whole serial killer

panic which of course is like such a panic because it's so rare to be killed by a serial killer but it also really reinforced law and order war on crime crime, rhetoric, and a lot like the man, like the mother of Sharon Tate was a huge, huge influence in the victim's rights movement, which on its surface is awesome. And underneath also supports like very Republican policies. So it's just such a complicated genre that we don't really truly dissect. And i'm not like anti-true crime or anything like that i mean i was i was definitely reading manson stuff at about 12 years old you know so but it's interesting it's super interesting stuff i didn't know at all yeah yeah i totally feel conflicted about my uh interest in that stuff i I have this loose theory

that the police basically talked Jeffrey Dahmer into claiming he was a cannibal because that he was arrested as Silence of the Lambs was becoming very popular. It was almost like the culture manifested

because he was just keeping victims' body parts around which is very gross but also he was just keeping victims body parts around which is very gross but also you know he was just uh it was like a he didn't know what to do with the bodies of all these people he was killing and so it was more of a disposal thing than anything but then he realized what how much attention it got him and how it's just so interesting to me that silence of the lambs and happened and it was a national global phenomenon and then he was arrested and suddenly there's this famous serial killer who's also a cannibal wow that's that's a

theory that i can get down with i I mean, you know, like John Wayne Gacy, right? All the media showed of him was him in his clown outfit. And we talk a lot about like the phantom clown panic that happened in 2016 and also happened in the 80s of, you know, all these kids seeing clowns and them being horrifying, you know, stranger danger murderers. And it kind of single-handedly changed the way that we think about clowns you know i mean serial killers have such an enormous and then there's like ted bundy that all these fundamentalist christians came to like at the end of his life right before he was going to be executed and they basically had a conversation blaming pornography

for everything that ted did so serial killers are used like so much more than we really consciously notice for like nefarious means. I think, I mean, I think my, where my, the first time I felt my relationship with true crime, cause originally I was just kind of like in, I'm like, yeah, this is like whatever fun. And there's all the examinations of why is it appealing and all that stuff. But, um, I think it was, I was having a conversation with someone about, I don't know, one of the bajillion true crime docuseries there are. And they were like talking about it in spoilers terms. And they're like, I've only watched up to episode two.

Don't spoil. I was like, but someone was murdered. Like, but because that's how the stories are like treated and formatted, you're like, oh yeah, it's just being treated like it's fiction, basically. Yeah. Like, yeah. Somebody's making a bunch of money. Somebody's making money.

Just think about those development meetings where they're getting giddy about the twists and turns of a real-life serial killing. Yeah, like you're using all the same manipulations that you would in a fictional text. Right. And yet I much of it right oh yeah i'm like i'm like have i stopped watching no no i just feel worse about it but yeah right yeah sometimes that's the least we can do absolutely yeah chelsea what is something you think is underrated? Oh, I'm going to say horror movies. Because I think horror movies are like, I mean, you've already kind of talked about it, but they say so much about cultural anxiety and like where we're at in the moment that they're coming out.

And like the different genres, like the Satanism genre coming out with like The Exorcist was like right at the rise of fundamentalism is like a force in politics right and then kind of was the the kickoff to some of the satanic panic where people were convinced that there were satanic cults all over um you know harming children in all of these sensational ways and then there's like hillbilly horror I'm really very interested in the show's interested in sort of like the maligning of white trash. And, you know, the poor white person is like this kind of psychic dumping ground for racism and people to blame. Right. And so there's like the hillbilly horror genre with Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Deliverance and all of those different ones. deliverance and all of those different ones. And I think that it says a lot about our relationship to the poor and how middle class people, like deliverance, you have

these basically hipsters coming in and canoeing down the river for adventure. And then it's like, oh, it's the poor white people that are hiding in the hills, which is a compelling and terrifying thing, don get me wrong but then you know like i think pennywise uh the original pennywise in the book and tim curry uh in it uh really encapsulated the dangerous stranger coming after children um with stranger danger and really the satanic panic our panic that our children are being constantly taken. And then even Frankenstein. This is like we did a whole episode called Monsters about basically how the language of the monstrous has been used against people of color, but especially black people. And how Mary Shelley's book came out.

King Kong. Like there's. Yeah. Which one? King Kong. Yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. That's that's like so overt right um but then like mary shelley's book about frankenstein was reprinted the same year that um the slave rebellion led by nat turner which is one of the most famous of all time happened and all of the language of frankenstein was used to talk about him like he's broken from his chains. They use the actual language of Frankenstein. And then when the movie came out in the 30s, there was all this racial anxiety from the 20s with jazz clubs and white women being influenced by black men and the whole black men steal white women trope that's been around since the very beginning.

And the movie had like these two interesting parts where it was like, again, like the dangerous black man coming after women, white women and children, because you've got that scene where he doesn't understand and throws the child in the water. then there's also though this like other line kind of like of liberal do-goodery right where frankenstein meets this blind man who could be like colorblind right and he teaches this like hopeless helpless monster like the morals of of good society and so it's like this really interesting i don't know i just think we write horror movies off a lot as trash but now we have like get out and we have parasite and we have these incredible horror movies that that are addressing social issues and now our villains are you know elite

cults or um and even horror and trauma with like hereditary and the baba duke and and you know just it really tells something about where we're at and they're like our urban legends our fairy tales you know they're they're so vital to understanding culture but we just like to think that they're they're trash and you know but really yeah it's pretty fascinating too because even with i mean even when a horror movie gets it wrong in terms of the cultural anxiety they're expressing which they often do it's still like you're saying it does kind of contextualize at very least the filmmaker's perspective but often whatever a prominent line of thinking during that time where i don't know on the bechdel cast we've been talking about this a lot lately because we're recording our

halloween month episodes of how often like you said hereditary and i think ari aster is a huge perpetrator of this issue of like uh he just cannot write any anything in relation to mental illness intelligently or well um he just fumbles it every single time and the opening scene of midsummer is like the most horrific misinterpretation of bipolar disorder, maybe in all the film ever. But it does. It is very revealing about who he is and how he views people. I don't know. And it's also a very common stereotype that he's perpetuating there.

And there's a million examples of it. That's one that like in the past couple of years has just like stuck with me but it it is like revealing of like well in 2019 this was still a pretty popular flawed way of thinking and the way that like so often like monsters are differently abled and just there's so many i mean it's fascinating and fucked up and yeah horror it's like they've they've really that genre really like lays it out for you for better and for worse man i love what you said about him because he gets so like people love those movies and i just cannot i cannot and i read a quote from him because i did i used to blog about horror stuff and i read an interview from him that basically says he just tries to do the most transgressive fucked up thing it's not a direct quote but you know that that's his goal

is to make the most fucked up thing he can and I think that that is such a weird do some privilege yeah thing to do yeah you know like I don't know when you're writing from somebody else's perspective you can get in trouble real fast that you don't understand you know so I appreciate that real fast that you don't understand you know so i appreciate that chelsea you said something about uh the clown uh craze or the clown panic of a few years ago so i had uh seen a bunch of youtube videos of clowns doing or like clown sightings and stuff. Was that all, was that all made up? Is it kept me awake? Yeah, dude. I mean, like, so I don't know. Did you watch the wrinkles, the clown documentary on Hulu? No, I just watched it. I'm actually, I don't know, dude, you know, the podcast you're wrong about. I don't know if you, it's a great podcast, but we're doing a crossover. I'm going on their show to do a clown episode, which is like so much fun. It's one of my favorite topics to talk about. But there was a guy, if you watch

this documentary, that he made a sticker that said call wrinkles and then a phone number. And he created this whole lore that parents were calling in to discipline their children with him. So I think and it was all bullshit. Like it was just sort of like an avant garde, you know, whatever you want to call it art thing. But then, you know, it's it's a hysteria in that. Like if you think of satanic panic, like children, like most of these sightings and it happened in the 80s to very similar. But of course, it moved much slower because the Internet didn't exist. But it was all over the country, which is more interesting to me because it's so hard to spread those, you know, those ideas and those urban legends. But yeah, he he did that. And then I think that, oh, what I was saying is, is, you know, they all come from about seven year old kids. And when you're a seven year old, you know, you can make up anything. In the satanic panic, it was like their teachers were flying around the room and they were being flown to Mexico and put in kiddie pools full of sharks. And everybody took this really, really seriously because it was a time when assaults and sexual abuse of children was finally kind of coming to the forefront, but then it went too far and everybody believed everything that a seven-year-old said. And as we know, I can remember being a kid

and there was this whole controversy where these two girls were chased by a man with a scar on his face. And, you know, all these letters went home saying that this was true. It was on the local news. It turned out that they just were going to be late getting home and they made up a story and it just got like madly out of control i mean can you imagine the stress of that

and then um you know and then i just remember being like oh yeah i saw him oh absolutely he was doing this and this and you know i saw him in the woods and that's just what happens is kids like one up each other and then the parents find out or they tell the parents and then the parents take it seriously like men were shooting their guns just into the woods just straight up into the woods because they thought they heard a weird sound and their kids had said that a clown lived in a shack in the woods so there's what is this a metaphor for it sounds like a metaphor for something oh i don't know it sounds like q anon shit to me that's really interesting uh the point about it was a time when you know it was being acknowledged

that children uh were being abused and you know after the 70s where it was just such a creepy decade uh in terms of uh you know like pedophilia was like a mainstream like thing um and but like it just reminds me of the two prongs of the q anon thing where yes there's a massive problem with human trafficking and uh sexual abuse of minors that is being uncovered with the epstein thing and it is in the upper echelons of society but it's not but could there be anything more counterproductive into addressing that than right q and right yeah exactly yeah well and then you can just like what better villain is there right that q and you can't create a better villain than a satanic pedophile like there is no thing that society could more loathe and collectively loathe together so it's such it's such a evocative

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actually follow through uh on on those uh you know actions that they agreed to but uh the the league is back uh and a story that we've kind of been tracking is just that the ratings have been lower than uh i would have expected because uh we were all so bored and so like so ready for sports to come back uh when the nba came back and i was expecting it to be be higher than it's ever been, and it's actually been lower than usual. And they're also, as I was kind of thinking about that, the news broke that there really haven't been any convention bounces from either the RNC or DNC. And those were both unique from previous conventions in the sense that they were a different format. Like it wasn't a bunch of people walking out onto stage, but there was no crowd. thing that you're watching uh or especially being there is just something that uh i it's like sort of an ineffable thing that you can't like scientifically quantify but it's definitely

absolutely real and probably underrated in our modern world uh or had been underrated until until this pandemic we always need a confirmation of reality so i feel like at comedy shows it's like you hear other people laugh and you're like yeah we're all having fun here or i mean that's why you don't tape a stand-up special without a crowd you know i mean like you always have one and then with basketball it's the same thing i think it's that energy and and watching other people i didn't realize how it was the connective tissue you know in this situation and that's also been surprising to me too because like i was saying at the mtv awards i was like it was freaking me out that they put laugh tracks under things i was like oh yeah yeah it's so weird

but i mean more people always equals more energy like when you walk in any big event, I think people in every sort of way, all types of big gatherings like missing that. Because like even before if you go to like a concert, even before it starts, you can feel that feeling or like a big game. So I don't know. It makes sense to me that that could have an effect on things for sure. It's probably also affecting the players. that that could have an effect on things for sure it's probably also affecting the players like i imagine like you're out there you're used to people screaming and shouting and like hyping you up and now it's just like y'all are playing like scrimmage basketball yeah they were like i heard they were adding squeaks yeah they're like so so that it seems like they're cutting and actually running hard they're adding squeeze because you guys talk some shit

please just like uh like who's editing this like i know like are we gonna end in heckles right gonna get a couple hecklers in there yeah i mean we we've i i have a theory that it's making the defense worse because people are you you need the crowd energy, the home crowd energy to like get you up for defense. But like offensively, we're seeing people do like unbelievable shit. And it's just like, they've always been capable of that.

If the defense was just like 10% worse and just people like offense has its own rewards is like watching the ball go through the hoop. And but like playing defense, you have to like really draw on something else, draw on like all your energy to give a shit about stopping someone because it's so easy to miss, you know? Yeah. I also wonder like subconsciously, there's so much other shit going on in the world like that's so much bigger, like for anyone in any job. It's got to be like a little bit less easy to focus you know yeah and i was just gonna say after watching the last dance um when jordan basically was saying that he had no competition so he had to make up beefs with people so that he could beat them like i'm like i guess i'll gotta get out there on the defense and just take it personally like make up some things that they said about your mama before y'all play because

there's no crowd that's what separated him oh my god when i watched that i was like this man is unwell anyone i was like oh wow to be at the top you have to be very unwell to be at the top, you have to be very unwell. To be at the top and to stay at the top, like you really need. You have to be in a fight at all times. Yes. You have to make the fight up. Oh, wow. And that was all I needed.

Yeah. And that was something that like the ratings were just through the roof. And that's kind of why I thought when the NBA comes back, it's going to be wild. But instead, I think we need that crowd. I think we need that people. Because in all the Jordan clips, there were crowds.

Jerry Krause is dead. Oh, they talk cash shit about him. If he had been alive, I feel like nobody in that documentary would have went as hard as they did i was shocked i have a controversial opinion on him because you know as an athlete and it's the same thing to me as a comedy booker who takes credit for all the talent bitch you've never played a game in your life you haven haven't done shit. And a lot of people are like, yes, but he made the most winning franchise and he was cutthroat. I'm like, no, honey.

He thought he was Jordan and you're not Jordan. You can barely run, okay? He could not wait to break that team apart so he could show everybody that it was really him who had been the magic man behind the curtain. Such a hater. And there was somebody I forget who in the last dance who was like yeah, he was an ugly little man.

I think that had to do with it. I was like, damn. Y'all gonna call him an ugly little man? I was so mad at him. Everyone was like, they're too hard on Jerry Krause. I was like, they're too hard on Jerry Krause. I was like, no, bitch. They said the truth.

And that was that he is not a basketball player. And to break up the best team of all time, I'm still mad, even though he's dead. The book that is about the exact same thing, it's called Playing for Keeps. And it's about that last season and uh jerry kraus and like you know covers all the same stuff it's by david halberstam who's like one of the best sports writers and it comes to the exact same conclusion that you just did it's just like this dude can't

get out of his own way can't stop saying just wild shit that's like well they couldn't have done it without me i put i put everybody and they're like it's almost they portray him as a as a tragic figure because he can't help himself yeah his ego is bigger than the people that are actually doing the work or the art that's like when these comedy bookers like go off on you know they make all these big proclamations about comedy and that they know what's best about comedy and it's like you have never stepped on stage a day in your life you truly have no idea and you're not the artist yeah yeah also like middlemen are a scammer position someone has always figured out how to separate people, the art from the money.

And they slide and they're like, this is what I do for you. It's like, you don't... And they know that. It's kind of a weird comparison, but that knowledge that they've never been on there, even if they don't consciously think about

it it's in their mind somewhere where they're just like there's like some insecurity building up inside them that's why they do you know terrible things and are like terrible to people who don't deserve it because there's insecurity and i think that i we've talked about that with regards to white supremacy and just being a white person in America, you are constantly aware of this contradiction of even if you have never put it into words in your mind, there is part of you that knows that you were born with an unfair advantage and continue to live with one and i think that's where a lot of the just toxicity and hatred is like trying to deny that and um it's like this dissonance that like eats away and like you know really fucks a culture yeah yeah and trying to like scapegoat people are always looking for a reason why you know black people who have been unfairly murdered deserved it yeah because that's always and that's not even just for black people like i see white men do that with women and sexual

assault all the time it's like or when megan the stein got shot in the foot and i looked at the comments and that's black i looked at the comments and that's black men looked at the comments and they're like well what does she do and it's like there's nothing that she could have done to deserve this little tiny man shooting her in the foot yeah the cognitive dissonance but for everyone is crazy and it's so much about like what we've ingested like unconsciously and subconsciously like throughout our lives from when we were like little kids. That's crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. And everyone has to deal with it. It's not just white people. So I wish that maybe if we all recognize that and weren't like this is something that I have to deal with and we could be like, oh, OK, everyone has a privilege that they have to check or like realize that they've had their whole life and deal with it instead of trying to blame the people who don't have things. Yeah. And finally, what is a myth?

What's something people think is true, you know, to be false. Um, the myth is that if you get rabies, you will definitely die. And the myth, I'll debunk that because we have a protocol called the Milwaukee protocol

that, um, now if you, so basically if you get bit by a bat or something like that, you could go get a prophylaxis. But if you don't go to but if you don't know or you don't realize and you go to the hospital once you have rabies symptoms, for the most part, you will die. Like there's just nothing you can do. But there's a doctor who. Yeah, I'm sorry. I got bad news. Yeah, if you get bit by a bat, I was reading about this online and it's like the number of people who are i got bad news yeah if you get bit by a bat i was reading about this online and just like the number of people who are like oh yeah i was bit by a bat and then just like didn't tell anyone or go to the doctor guys knock it off yeah or a raccoon or a possum any kind of uh woodland animal just go just call go to the er and then so basically uh this doctor developed something it's called the milwaukee protocol and they it was sort of on

necessity like uh this a girl came in who in who was already having rabies symptoms, which usually is fatal. And so he developed something called the Milwaukee Protocol, where essentially they just put you into a medically induced coma for a month. Oh, right. And then they revive you and hope that sort of the effects of rabies has passed on your body. Because usually what kills you is the effect of the virus. Like, if you could survive the initial symptoms, then you could potentially live. The problem with this is that it does work, but it only works about one out of four people. The rest of the time, it's just over.

So the myth you're busting is not that rabies is a bad time. Rabies is still a bad time. You don't recommend it. Two stars out of five. Don't do it. I might even give it one, honestly. Wow. Wow.

Okay. But I'm saying, yeah, if you get rabies, what the myth is, it doesn't mean you're going to die. It means you have to go immediately get put into a coma and see how it writes out. Yeah. It means a good shot, you might die yeah right yeah the one thing i just do want to say uh because my mother is a card carrying member of the american opossum society uh it's very rare that possums would have rabies right that's a great point thank thank you so much for bringing that up it is very unlikely yeah possum twitter My mother will listen and she'll be like, possums don't have it. They have a bad rap. So, yeah.

They can get it. Any mammal can get it, but it's extremely rare for possums. Yeah, in America, it's usually bats. In other parts of the world, sometimes it's like logs or stuff. But, yeah, it's usually bats. So, if a bat is even near you, if you find a bat in your house, just go in. Don't fuck around. Don't fuck around with rabies guys.

That has always been my, my instinct is to get the fuck away from bats. They're such scary creatures. Oh, do you think people who get bit by basil, they don't tell anyone because low key, they're like, Hey,

maybe some, you know, I might get some new skills or something, some new. And then they're like, Oh, my new skill is just shaking violently. Right yeah my new skills i can't drink water anymore right right they go watch something about it just kind of does something to me when i see that one

that's not how he got it never mind that's not his origin story shit yeah that's terrifying i used to uh when when i was growing up our house multiple of our houses in uh wheelan west virginia had bat problems and i would wake up in the middle of the night and be like there's a bird in my room again and my dad would have to like chase the bat out of the house with a uh tennis racket oh yeah i grew up um like in northeast ohio i i feel like a bird or a bat got in the house every other week like they were constantly like if you left a door open they were getting in and uh we had to chase them around with like a laundry basket and and try to capture them i know well uh shout out to ohio and west virginia shout out to people who leave their shit open all day where animals can get in.

I'm like, what the fuck? Ain't no bird getting in my house ever. But it's also because it's so hot. You'd never leave your door wide open or windows wide open with no screen. Ours were in the attic. Ours were... Oh, okay. Yeah, they were coming in through...

Why they said there's a bird in your room? Oh, but then it would get into the house from the attic. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got got it we had a big snake problem the snakes would get into the basement and then crawl up through the heating ducts into the house that is yeah oh my god there's always what you just watch them emerge from the floor and you're like a snake one one time my brother what my youngest brother was coming out of his room and he looks down at the heating register on the ground and there's just a snake coming out of it and looking at him. And it wasn't like a poisonous snake or anything, but that means that snake got from the basement to the second

floor of my parents' house through the heating ducts. Yeah. Snake problems are a real thing. Our house in Missouri had a snake, like it had like a little bog behind it and there were just snakes all the fuck over the place. It was very disturbing.

Big bog problems. Yeah. Yeah. Big bog problems. That's right. BBP. Occasionally, we say incorrect medical facts, medical science. So real quick, quick up top rabies

is 100 deadly uh we so one of our guests did a medical myth busting on a recent episode uh and her science wasn't 100 up to date uh basically rabies she was like rabies. She was like, rabies, you can survive it 25% of the time sometimes. And there was a podcast, I think, that would have led you to believe that. I think it was Radiolab that it was more survivable. But they were talking about one specific example. Historically, one person has survived rabies by being put into a medically induced coma. Historically, one person has survived rabies by being put into a medically induced coma. Otherwise, it kills you 100% of the time. So don't fuck with rabid animals, Zeitgang.

How many times do I have to tell y'all? Yeah, we always, always get into trouble anytime we are trying to do a myth busting about medical facts so we I'm weak not rabies I'm going to start this episode off with oh and by the way y'all stop making out with them raccoons out in your dumpster

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