The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 147 (Best of 10/12/20-10/16/20)

Episode Date: October 18, 2020

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Okay. I did a deep dive on John Fetterman. John Fetterman, if you don't know, is the lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania. Okay. John Fetterman, if you don't know, is the lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania. Okay. And his wife was... Oh, right. ...a racial verbal assault in the supermarket.

She is Brazilian, so naturally somebody cornered her in the supermarket and yelled the N-word at her repeatedly and followed her into the parking lot. And so then I looked up Fetterman and I ask everyone with a phone right now to do so

because this man he looks like a bad guy from Mulan. Yes, he definitely looks like he stole a correction officer's uniform and used it to escape prison um it's wild it's an aggressive them as a couple i'm like hold on there's certain things where like he's got a really really intense beer uh goatee yeah um and he's also got the same vibe of Jaws from James Bond. Yeah, right.

Kind of lurching around, like very big. Yeah, look at that. Wow. Like that guy, if that person, assailant, had known what this woman's husband looked like, I'm assuming...

I think she did. I think if she knows what that guy's wife looks like right i think he she probably knows um but uh no he went to harvard i he didn't he didn't escape from prison no he's like on paper like a really chill guy here like he worked with the big brothers and big sisters uh and like got obsessed with the idea of like your birth being a random lottery for your outcomes and things like that and how that affects his idea of fairness. But he looks scary as fuck.

He just never changed his look. That's dope. Why should he? He doesn't need to. Even when you look at his Wikipedia page, he looks just so underdressed for whatever official photo this is. Like it's clearly his bureaucrat,

like yearbook photo where he goes to the Capitol and like, this is like a Lieutenant governor and he's wearing like a rayon safari shirt. Not happy to be there. I would say it's like one of Quicksilver's nicest button ups. Right. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. That's, that's definitely a top level billabong, but his smirk definitely says that he wasn't smiling and they can't the photographer was like come on lieutenant governor give us a little something more and he just went like just i will raise the corners of my mouth flatly oh we're out of time all right thanks john oh man i did not bother to look yeah because, because I read that headline. And usually in my morning, I'm like, OK, where's my daily dose of racism? And I'm like, OK, God, the fucking lieutenant governor's wife. But yeah, I did not connect.

Thank you for doing that little bit of work to get us to see the whole picture. Wow. Yeah. The closest he comes to smiling is looking a little bit pissed off. That's as far as he goes. Just a little bit pissed off. That's as far as he goes. Just a little bit pissed off. Right. Yeah.

What is something you think is overrated? Okay. I'm annoyed with this shit. I hate it. Like stealing content online bugs the shit out of me because. Why? Like comedians. I mean, my favorite comedian is the fat Jew.

And I think he's underrated. I agree. He's a tastemaker. He's a Scorsese of tweet stealers. Yeah. He's a tastemaker. It's just I don't know. It's so annoying because like I've gotten to know more like online personalities.

And it's like, I don't know. You're just like fuck like this affects their income like directly it affects like their opportunities directly and so i've started to tell my like non-comic friends i'm like unfollow this fake ass account they stole my friends tweets and my non-comic friends like don't care yeah they like don't they're just like i don't care i like the follow it's a good follow I'm like, these are people behind these accounts that are just benefiting off of like my friend's work. Like, what are you doing?

Right. So it's been bugging the shit out of me. Like a lot of them, a lot of those like content curators, which what the fuck are you talking? Like it sounds like an, like an art gallery, but for dick jokes, like what are you doing? Right. Um, these content curators some of them will like pay or like ask and tag your thing but like a lot of them just like take shit yeah and even then the tag like sure but at the end of the day they're guaranteeing like impressions or a

certain amount of interaction which makes them more you know attractive to people who'd want to pay for sponsored posts and things like that and that whole ecosystem it's all tied together but i can only imagine like trying to get someone to care about like how this kind of joke theft or content theft like actually affects humans in real life because it's like another layer someone like too many people already don't even understand how their like labor is being exploited so then on top of it like hey you know that fucking thing you stare at with your mouth open and giggle at that's also fucking someone i'm like what do you tell it's just memes it's just memes right yeah somebody makes those fucking memes what do you mean i'm just giving 60 hours of my life for fucking nothing what are

you talking about it's just work it's all good it's it's also like i don't it's like how like we all are trying to like raise our social media whatever like we try to like tweet and like put up content or whatever i can't imagine like i hate that part i hate the part of like like i love tweeting i love coming up with jokes i love whatever but i hate the part where you're like you have to screenshot and then post it on instagram and then post that to your store like the business part of it where you're trying to get more followers. I fucking hate that part. So imagine that's all your job is.

What kind of rotted, brainworming thing, if that's all you do, you don't even come up with a creative part. I can't imagine what a dinner conversation would be like with you. But I feel like that's the direction so much of our culture is going like sort of the uh curating like valuing people who are good at like curating things and like finding uh cool things out of like a just massive amount of information like i don't think it's great but i do i do feel like that is just generally like the values that have taken hold in general like on social media like like memes come from a book that was literally it's the book that introduced the

idea of genes also introduced the idea of memes. And it's just like a meme is like this disembodied idea where the whole goal of the idea is to reproduce itself. And it like that book, like Richard Dawkins didn't write about it as like, you know, and that's intellectual property.

It was just like this disembodied thing where like, if the idea that is created is replicable then it is a successful meme but it's just weird there there is like an inherent contradiction there yeah especially when you're a really talented writer who is putting your talents into creating something and then it just reproduces out of control and people remove uh the author's name from it which is annoying and nobody should ever do dana donnelly um who's been on this podcast before had like a really great tweet that i like have like i've always like thought that but she put it into words and it was about how like if not

enough people i forget exactly what she said but if like if not enough people replicate it then it's stealing but if enough people do it then it's a meme right you know what i mean so it's like it's but i think that's like slight yeah and yeah i don't know i don't know where that threshold is but i think even beyond that like with memes like people like change the punch line they change they try to come up with like clever ways but this like screenshotting and just like posting it onto your own thing, you get money for that. That's more obvious of a fucked up thing. Let's at least start there.

Right. But that's almost like bringing a cell phone camera to a movie and taping it on your cell phone and then hooking your phone up to a projector at your own janky theater. And people are like, yeah, man, I love this place. And you're like, yo, this is the shitty version of the real one over what the fuck are you doing like i don't know i just it's less less to think about i follow this one thing i don't have to yeah but then

there's also the thing where everybody has the same idea at the same time and it seems like they're yeah uh copying off each other i forget which news story involving Trump. Oh, I think it was when he tested positive for COVID. And like I saw 30 people tweet, I did not see that coming, like not see, but not see. Oh, yeah. And at first I was like,

oh man, they're like ripping each other off. But then as more and more people made that exact same joke, I was like wow it's just our brains are all like the same i've tried to recently and there's like some people i've made friends with some twitter people and some of us have this attitude of like well like i i've deleted viral tweets where it was parallel thought because you want your jokes to be like unique right so i've started doing that and before i with stand-up i used to not do that as much i it was parallel thought because you want your jokes to be like unique. Right. So I've started doing that. And before I,

with standup, I used to not do that as much. I used to be like, well, we both thought of it. We're going to deliver it in a different way. It's going to be a different thing. Um,

but now with like tweets, I'm like, Oh, it's like the exact same line. Like, I don't want someone to look up this joke and then see like 30 other people making this joke. So like,

there have been ones that have been like, like it was on the way up and it looked like it would hit like maybe 100k in the next day and i just like deleted it because somebody with like 900 followers also did it or whatever right but it's like so i i have that attitude i know like a lot of other people don't but i'm like why wouldn't you want your feed to be like why wouldn't you if you're a creative if you're like making the content yeah like you don't you don't want to have hack jokes you know so like? So like, I will just tell my friends, I'm like, Hey,

by the way, somebody else did this joke and then like leave it up to them to the, to delete. But like, I know there are a few of us who were like, Oh yeah, I'm deleting that immediately. Cause it's not unique.

Totally. I don't know. It's hard, but I think you're right in terms of like stand up. Cause that's the thing that also like began being policed incredibly strictly. Uh, like if people had like similar observations yeah and it's just like but i mean at a certain point like a lot of it is who is saying it and how they're saying it yeah for sure i mean and like the context and like

yeah a lot of us are coming up with like very similar ideas it's like i think stand-up has more flexibility and like how in all those things yeah what is something you think is overrated this is something i've been banging the drum about for like four straight years the concept of gaffes as in like then when a politician or a candidate says something dumb in public those like the concept that that's something that matters and will actually sink a candidate trump has killed that forever okay and i'm i'm glad because twitter loves this if trump misspells a word in a tweet that misspelled word will trend all day and i'm telling you i watched for three and a half years when everyone was like, oh, that's going to be the thing that alerts America that this man is a moron. It doesn't work like that anymore.

The average American actually finds it kind of endearing when you're not polished as a politician for whatever reason in the modern era. We kind of like it when they screw up. And it was the same thing in the primaries. And they're like, Biden is a gaffe machine. He can't string together two sentences without getting the name of the city he's in wrong or something like that. Nobody cares. Let that be dead forever.

Because what happened with Trump, where his numbers didn't, it took a worldwide apocalypse to make his approval move down by like the four points it required to give the other candidate a lead and some kind of substantial lead in the polling right right but the 20,000 gaffes he committed did not do that at all yeah in general it's like seems like nothing even attacks from the right about like the behavior of politicians who are democrats just like they ring so hollow and it's like i i think this is we're past all of this now because you're so craven over there like the fact that you're upset i'm having a failure to connect the outrage that the people on the right have you know like for even like with the hunter biden things where they're like oh this will get them and it's like no everyone's completely numb to everything actually i feel like it might motivate your base but i don't know if it's gonna have that effect

of like oh god did you guys see this thing it's lights out for them huh right there was an underage a woman who had claimed that trump had sexually assaulted her when she was underage that that story just came and went yeah in a blip Like no one listening even knows what I'm talking about. Like it just like something that would have been a showstopper 20 years ago. And then the New York times did this huge breakdown about how Trump was basically just using the white house to divert money to his businesses. And they probably devoted $150,000 in resources and reporting and man hours putting it together.

And no, it did trended for like an hour. I saw a few political types on Twitter tweeting. It's like, oh, this is great reporting. It's a great breakdown of the level of corruption here. The fly on Mike Pence's head trended longer than that. I mean, but that thing was hilarious. Did you see that thing?

It was sitting there and it didn't even leave. Dude, longboarding to dreams um yeah i i do think that it's some sometimes like because people do do say that hillary clinton's email like the the fact that comey reopened that investigation a week before the election had an impact on voters. And I think it's something to do with how the negative story interacts with what we suspect about that person or what people suspect and what the overall negative feelings are. Like with the Rick Perry thing where he couldn't name anything. He just couldn't remember anything.

That interacted with the fact that he's clearly not smart and propped up by speechwriters and whoever. Didn't they make him start wearing glasses after that? Like, he looks smarter. I've seen him in time, though. You seem smart, my man. and uh you know then they make him start wearing glasses after that but what hillary that's the thing is that that was the culmination of literally 20 however many years since 1992 20 some years of anti-hillary anti-clinton the crimes are corrupt hatred like if you were in conservative circles in the 90s you had like the clinton murder list like the list of 49 people that hillary and bill clinton had murdered together right they arranged a plane crash was one of them and like car accidents like this made them and in conservative circles like that they were these deeply corrupt people so that even though

the emails didn't say anything it was just a signal to people who were already ready to hate her. And I think that's one lesson we have about 2016. Now is that probably any other candidate, even one chosen at random, probably squeaks out that election. Right. But they just uniquely hated Hillary so much for a bunch of reasons. Some of it,

sexism, some of it, the Clintons. In terms of her negatives and all that, it was a case they were asking people to hold their nose and vote for her. And that's one reason why this year is different. People genuinely do like Biden, but again, it's the contrast with him and Trump is just so strong that maybe anybody would have the

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be making it and then who knows like how it's going to be distributed in the u.s i'm sure they'll find u.s channels they're like well if you get bbc america then you get cops right like wait what uh i don't know i mean yeah now it's just like oh but we're still in the market of exporting copaganda right if you're interested in that for your uh burgeoning authoritarian state uh where you want the police to walk around like militarized guns so yeah cool but yeah I like how it just sort of like we cancel but it's just for international it's just for international we know it's illegal here okay we know

this is totally illegal and not cool to do here but just cross the border it's for Canada yeah and it also same company so it's still like you know that that gesture was just kind of performative woke no performative gestures yeah in such a critical moment regarding the civil rights of black people

and other minorities god damn it what is this place uh who uh made a big deal about retiring aunt jemima and uh of course the the right made a huge deal about it because right they love to have have stories like that where they can be like I mean come on what's next according to one executive they still haven't actually retired Aunt Jemima according to one executive it's because get ready to feel queasy during these trying pandemic times customers are still looking for the aunt jemima products they know and love so wow yeah so we've yeah rather than using the terrible trope of aunt jemima we've rebranded to mammy's pancakes right it's like oh no they're doubling down it's uh yeah of course of course it's in the

end it's like any company is like look we would sever ties with the racist tumor of our business but it's part of our business and it generates money and money is our god not fairness so sorry yeah i think that that's kind of the reality that people just have to kind of you know uh money money pretty much guides i mean if it wasn't profitable for them you know yeah uh they wouldn't be doing it and and the fact that i think the scary part to me is just that it still continuously even even as bad as it is it still continues to be profitable meaning that there are people out there who are buying it and they're finding it viable enough to continue. I wonder if they just said they called it fucking, they did a lady antebellum type rebrand and they called them AJ's pancakes or Auntie J's.

And it's just text. There's no face. Are people going to be like, where the fuck did it go? Where's the fuck? I guess I'm'm gonna buy some other brand that's a really good idea like what that's a really good idea where the like what's the psychology of the consumer that they're concerned about like in this thing we're like in these times people need their racist pancakes i it's i think it's just i think it's people's like

um uh romantic connection with memory that you know and it comes down to this thing where it's people's like romantic connection with memory and it comes down to this thing where it's just like oh you're going to take this, what else are you going to take? My mom I could take away G.I. Joe for a lot of those guys right now and they would hate me for it but that's like one of the most racist cartoons

on the fucking planet and I know this as a brown person because I remember watching it as a kid you know and then there was like uh um like i remember every time uh we would play gi joe like with the with my friends i would i could only be cobra only because cobra had this thing where they remember that would go cobra remember Oh, wow. And I thought about it, and I was like, oh, that's supposed to be us. Wow. Right, right, right, right. And Cobra's base was always in the desert, and it was clearly this programming.

Cobra, famously American snake. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Right. It was like this. But it bothered me. And I remember feeling so sad as a kid because I did like G.I. Joe. Right. It was just, it was like this, but it, it, it bothered me. And I remember like feeling so sad as a kid cause I, I did like G.I. Joe. Right. You know what I mean? But I didn't want to feel like I was always going to be painted as the enemy.

So, but that, I mean, there's just, there's just a shit ton of that stuff. Yeah. Shit ton of that stuff from back in the day. I think what their research is probably telling them, you know, and their research being listening to the beginning of this episode of this podcast uh that people are you know drawn and especially especially during these trying times people are drawn to you know uh nostalgia there there's a general mills thing that's happening that we talked about in a recent episode where they are going back to original recipe, uh,

breakfast cereal on like all their, on golden grams and Cocoa puffs and all these things that we didn't know they had changed the recipe on, but just being like, it's going to taste like childhood was enough. It's going to taste like childhood was enough it's gonna taste like your parents are together but that part where they were fighting a bunch and about to get divorced right i'm not i'm not gonna lie that sounds good to me like i think i'd be right i haven't touched

breakfast cereal in a long time but that made me feel like oh man i think i might try that donald trump was smart he would campaign on that he's like we're gonna make it feel like back remember your parents were together remember that shit yeah like's gonna be like that you didn't even worry about shit did you yeah fuck yeah yeah that's that's but yeah i mean in these trying times you know as uh black americans struggle for equality we want our customers to retreat to the safe harbors of the antebellum South and chattel slavery. Right. Yeah.

They're demanding that the market, uh, basically, uh, regulate itself, which has never, ever worked. Um, I mean,

yeah, memories, I guess, I guess retro Jordans too. That's kind of profiting off memories. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

I've been regressing though. So I was ready for it all. I've been, it's been 1996 so I was ready for it all. It's been 1996 in my mind for many years. Hell yeah. I'm going to go put the Fugees the score on right now. I did want to talk about this story that I think Doom Scrollers everywhere noticed, which is a gentleman by the name of Robert Cahaley, who was one of the only pollsters

that predicted Trump's win in 2016. And there are a handful. Most of them are predicting that this time is different. Robert Cahaley is saying, nah, we've got another one coming. It's a re-up. He's going to win. Yeah. I mean, his whole thing in 2016 was that he said a lot of pollsters weren't. He has like his own method where he's trying to he asks other questions to try and nail down who this person might be. And, you know, the big thing that he always talks about is this idea of like social acceptance or social desirability bias and how that affects people's response in a lot of things. And he said that, in fact, in 2020, he thinks it's like a worse take to have now to say you're supporting the president, that he's trying to adjust for that as well. But one of the big things he was saying is like, you know, a lot of the polls say Biden's going to win Georgia or

Florida or North Carolina, like, you know, leading. And he's like, that's all fucking, there's no way. He's just saying Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, like, you know, leading. And he's like, that's all fucking there's no way. He's just saying Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, Arizona. They're they're not nailed on for Biden, like by any stretch of the imagination, despite what the polls are saying. And he predicts Trump will win in all of those states. And he was also saying that, you know, while he has lost a lot of support, you know, he was saying like, yeah, he's lost a lot of support with suburban women. you know, while he has lost a lot of support, you know, he was saying like, yeah, he's lost a lot of support with suburban women. Uh, he's lost some support with the elderly, but he has picked up support with black and Latino voters. Surprisingly, he said he was really like, it's, it's gone up

slightly. Um, so there is some movement in that area, but you know, with all that to say, I was just there. I'm like, we got Jason on. So, you know what, I just, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll put that down and let us discuss that because yes, he, he feels very strongly that there's not much difference between the two. This is, for one thing, no one who gives an answer to this is not somewhat motivated in their reasoning. don't want i don't want to give anyone a reason to not vote and obviously people who are afraid of a second trump term are also very afraid of saying anything that causes people to maybe be to relax and so there's a motivation to kind of in those channels to kind of boost anyone who's saying hey trump's chances are better than you think because you want people to go out and vote it does from the early voting it appears people were going to have like record turnout like and anything can happen it's you know

the whole issue that i i like nate silver i know a lot of people have grown to hate him what i like about him is he's one of the few people that points out that look we have not had that many presidential elections period in the modern era in the polling era and in the mass media era you're only talking about the ones going back to what 1960 and the era in which tv has been a thing like that's just that's a small sample size and this is why and so anybody who says well you know because you hear this these headlines like well no president has ever lost when the unemployment has been blank. Or this guy who's predicted four straight elections, you know, says blank is going to happen. And in every case, it's a really small sample size. In every election, you know,

they used to consider it almost an extreme scenario that you would have a popular vote in an electoral college split like we just had. And I don't remember anybody predicting that Hillary would win by 3 million votes and lose the electoral college. But now that it's happened, it makes perfect sense. It's like, oh yeah, this is kind of baked in. The electoral college has a conservative slant because it gives more preference to rural voters, right? So knowing that, yeah, it's not,

in the simulations they run at 538, they've got somewhere, I think Biden wins by like six points and still loses the Electoral College because of so many of the votes are concentrated in California or whatever states he flips, and then Trump narrowly wins all these others, and that can do it. It's mathematically possible.

It's just that virtually every other polling agency other than this guy disagrees. Because the whole concept of people being reluctant to give an unpopular answer, that's been a part of polling methodology going back to the dawn of polls. This is an ongoing problem. They actually have algorithms where they try to, you know, account for it. I've got a link here.

We can include in the footnotes or whatever, from five 38, when they talk about that, the issue is not one it's, I don't know how many Trump supporters, you know, they tend to not be shy. Right.

And, and this guy saying, well, yeah, but in a blue state, they'd be afraid to admit that they are. But these polls are not conducted on the street in front of their liberal friends.

They're often anonymous online surveys. And a blue, a Biden supporter in deep red Alabama, you could say the same thing. Like they're afraid to come out as like, that's a place where you put a Biden sign in your yard and somebody is going to shoot it with a shotgun. So, again, the reason people like this narrative is because of this kind of thing that liberals are so mean to Trump supporters. And the cancel culture and whatever they throw around.

Like these people are so vicious that everyone's afraid to admit they support Trump. I mean, Trump is running ahead of a lot of Republican Senate candidates. He's running ahead of Congress. So if that's the case, you would think you would have those same Republicans saying, oh, yeah, I support blank for Senate, but I won't vote for that filthy criminal Trump, even though they secretly are. You're not getting that. You're getting the opposite answer.

So anything can happen. Again, every time you say something like this on Twitter, you immediately get a wave of answers like, don't get complacent. Please don't get complacent. I'm telling you, there are many, many motivated Trump voters. It's just that it would be much weirder if he won now than if he had then winning in 2016. 2016 was unlikely. I think if you redo that election, he wins it three times and loses seven. This time it would be much stranger. So just going off of 538, because I agree their methodology is more valid than a lot of the other ones. There's still,

and I think rightly so, they still have a sizable chance that he wins. It's not like it's 13 in a hundred is, is what they currently have it at. They currently give him a eight and 10 chance that Biden wins the popular vote, but loses the electoral college. So eight in ten that he wins the popular sorry sorry eight and a hundred so eight percent and then five percent chance that

trump wins both the electoral college and the popular vote right so that's what happened the first time i think we look for polls to do something that they can't do. Last time, I think, heading into the election, it was high 30% chance that Trump would win. So he's still an underdog, but that's not that much of an underdog. If a baseball player going up to bat, bats over 300, that is a good hitter. You are not surprised. Yeah yeah you're not surprised at all if he gets a hit and this is a 1 in 10 or a 13 and 100 chance is not likely uh but it's also you know it's a thing that sometimes happens like if a pitcher gets up in baseball and gets a hit like you see that all the time that happens all the time if you watch a lot of baseball. So I don't know. I just think that anything can happen. Those states that he talks

about Trump winning, that are being granted to Biden, are all very close in the 538 polling 38 uh polling averages and even if trump wins texas ohio georgia uh iowa north carolina arizona and florida he would still lose if biden won pennsylvania all right yes to be it has to basically sweep everything where he's down by a few points right so you need a polling error that is somehow wrong across demographic groups, across states, which again, which happens. Yeah, I mean, they've made the point that when it's not like these are all independent variables, right? It's not like if suddenly he overperforms by six points in Ohio, it would be it would require him to equally unlikely overperform by six points in Pennsylvania. It's like, no, they're responding to the same condition that was true across Ohio and Pennsylvania and Florida, which is what happened in the last election. But those are all things

they take into account. They're all things that can happen, which is why Biden, they were not the ones who in the 2016 election were like, yeah, Trump has less than a one in 100 chance of winning. They were like, no, it's like he's an underdog, but it could easily happen. And it did. They were. Yeah. Some of the pundits, the way they were talking felt like the halftime of game six of the NBAba finals were like the lakers were had such a lead were like at halftime they're like yeah credit to the miami heat uh they really just they were really fought hard and i was like yo yo don't do this shit right now like let the game fucking end

and it has like this similar feeling but yeah i think i think most people still have that trauma of feeling like the polls are accurate and i think at the end of the day all you can do is just try and uh you get as much turnout as possible but the one thing anything can happen the one thing i think they're vastly underrating that they say uh a four in 100 chance that the election hinges on a recount um i think that we're very likely to see Trump and the Republicans and Fox News find a way to invalidate states where it's close or even not that close, but they will find ways to throw question on a bunch of votes and claim voter fraud and you know it's just something republicans have done before and this is an administration and a republican party that no longer is required

to hide it when they're wrong or when they're doing something illegal like they have lost all you know any tether to accountability So why wouldn't they do that? Yeah. It's like a case where if, well, like, let's say you're in the NBA finals game where for some reason, according to some rule, we have to win by 15 points. Right. Yeah, exactly. It's not, it can't be close. We can't win by one, by one vote. And I don't know if the Republicans in your audience hate it. If I keep saying we, like we're on the part of the Biden administration. But it's a case where it has to be a big, it doesn't have to be a landslide, but it's got to be enough that on election night, we pretty much know and that there's not enough of a, where there's not, it's not close enough to trigger any recounts or anything like that. It's got to be seven points in Pennsylvania, maybe three points in Florida,

where even if all those where they won by one, two, three points, where it still wouldn't get him to 270 or whatever. It's got to be an overwhelming victory. So that's what I'm nervous about. It would be stunning to me if Trump got more votes, that would mean something truly weird had happened. And especially the fact that 10% of the people have already voted. There's something like 17 million votes in already.

Yeah. Um, what I'm more alarmed by is that it's, it has to be by a comfortable margin. If you want this to do what it's going to do, which is truly be a rebuke to Trump and truly send the message that doing it the way Trump did it is not a model for future Republicans. Like having an attorney general that's just your attack dog.

This is not a model that works. I don't want Tucker Carlson to be out there dreaming of running in 2024 as like Trump, but a little bit more media savvy and little bit smarter and younger i don't i don't want that i want this to i want it to obliterate the idea that this is a good way to function as a president yeah that is the a thing that's being talked about a lot on the right is tucker carlson the future republican presidential candidate i mean he'll do great. Yeah. I mean, he probably will. I mean, he will because there is some actual racist

asshole with his shit together that's looking at Trump like, you're fucking this all up, man. It could have been so much worse if Trump actually knew what he was doing. Yeah, exactly. And I know those people are rubbing their mitts for another bite of that apple right tucker carlson's already done the uh you know populist economic thing that trump like made uh head fakes towards populist economic

policies but didn't uh embrace them at all and still yeah it's funny because then tucker carlson is like why is it a surprise now that millennials prefer socialism? Well, if you look at the economics of it, it's like he's smart enough to know what the motivations are generationally. And I think that's where it gets dangerous. Because if some people are like, well, you know, Tucker Carlson got a point about that. I mean, I'm not a person of color or in a marginalized group,

but what he's saying about my class thing, that's facts. And he knows how to be a messy bitch who loves drama. He accused the New York Times of giving away, like doxing him. Oh, yeah. Give it a rest.

Do you guys know what you're gonna do for Halloween? How you're gonna celebrate? I literally have not thought about it once. In fact, the first time I thought about Halloween was about 30 seconds ago when you started talking about the Beverly Hills thing. Jack, I even forgot that we were even in October when I was like down like in the summer. I was like, oh, shit, we're about to hit three years because it was 2017. I just realized we were in fucking October. Right.

We just and isn't halloween on like a friday or saturday this year it would have been it's a full moon and it's a blue moon it's the second full moon of october which is it's gonna be and it's halloween during a pandemic uh my neighborhood gets a lot of trick-or-treaters so we have to like figure out what we're gonna do yeah what are what are you gonna do i think just put like a bench out that just says like see you next year but then and then just hope people aren't too mad but i also think like nobody like none of our neighbors are planning on like doing trick-or-treating so i was so excited on new year's for 2020 i was one of those guys who was like 2020 is the the year. 2020 is when like,

our lives will change. The country will change. We're going to get a new leader. Everything's going to be great. Blah, blah, blah. And then like, wow. Just like, Life comes at you quick.

I've gotten rocked. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's rough. And it's rough on those trick-or-treaters. The naive hope of New Year's, December 31st, 2019.

I can't even remember where the fuck I was on New Year's. Part of me wants to get the PVC pipe and drop the candy down from the second floor, like down a slide. Not a bad idea. Which would be dope, but then it's like... Bust some kid's head open. Yeah, and also... It's like terminal velocity.

Just like firing them. Here come some jawbreakers kids but you're also like putting pressure on your neighbors to then like come up with some strategy and also it's like i for the people receiving the candy like do they want to receive candy from like some house you know that's like also what do you knock knock on the pvc pipe oh the in my neighborhood like you just sit out front and there's a line like people oh my god oh so you're like one of those mobile games like those mobile zombie games where you have the machine gun mowing down zombies exactly it's like walls of enemies it's like walls of trick-or-treaters turret of candy yeah yeah oh shit there you go a candy turret everybody knows Jack doesn't live in Beverly Hills now that's one thing we know

and that's his own shame I don't I've never lived in an LA neighborhood that felt like that at least not in a street that felt like that I've always felt like it was dead I've always lived in or like yeah I've always lived in a neighborhood where i had to go to

another neighborhood uh-huh trick-or-treat uh-huh i never lived in like the lit trick-or-treating neighborhood yeah we did the we did the when i was a kid we did the pillowcases and we got oh yeah who didn't and we got up we got on bikes yeah oh shit we would go down to a street run up and down the street it was not about fun It was about who gets the most candy. Numbers. That's always funny. There's always that group of kids that is like sprinting full speed. When everyone else is like, you know, parents are drinking beers.

I'm like, what the fuck was that? A bunch of fucking minions ran by me and T-Rexes. No, for us, it was like, how many pillowcases can I get? Yeah. To the point, do you ever bring them to school? Have some people be like, yo, check this out. And just lay down the heavy bag on you and get into trouble. The teacher's like, you can't bring this shit here.

What are you doing? I also grew up in upstate New York where it was freezing by Halloween. Oh, yeah. So cold. Your bike had snow chain tires? Oh, my God. New York where it was freezing by Halloween. Oh yeah. So cold. Yeah. Your bike had snow chain tires. Oh my God. We would have like parkas on. You know like a parka over your ninja costume or whatever. Right.

It was like you know. You just look like a ninja warming up on the sidelines. Right. And I'm forgetting the brand but there was like a really popular brand of puffy coat that I think was like first ascent or something like that uh it wasn't north face because we couldn't afford north face it was like whatever mountain was under the the bootleg version of that and first gear or something oh

god i'm gonna remember it but anyway i remember like all the old people like well what are you supposed to be this year and i was like i'm cold give me candy and i'm in a rush motherfucker give me this fucking butterfinger god damn it when you gonna get king size neighbors got them up the street man you look poor as fuck i gotta go and back in the day they would give you um a plastic baggie with homemade cookies sometimes and i was like oh nowadays no way now no one would eat that nowadays oh Oh, yeah. Because I remember when edibles, like weed edibles started. And that's always the trick du jour click bait for conservative moms. Who is handing out weed edibles?

Everyone's like, too expensive. Too expensive. I'm wasting on the fucking kid. You dumb. Better watch out. Look at the labels. The idea that I'm handing kids like, what, five milligram chocolate covered blueberries or something like that.

Yes. Those are expensive and I love them. Yeah. You know how much a tin of chocolate covered kivas cost i'm not balling out of control and i wouldn't waste it on a 12 year old dressed as spider fuck whoever when i go i'm always like i always go and uh throw on a couple of uh chocolate covered kiva tints to the blueberries and they're like okay 454 dollars okay you know what let's get rid of those i'll just take the rolling papers. No weed? Nah, nah, nah.

How much is that? That's $400. Yeah, $360. Damn. You know, that story probably was born out of some fucking parent whose kid found it and had to be quick on their feet. Like, oh my God, someone must have given this to...

Holy shit. You really don't know who our neighbors are. You really don't. Some Ferris Bueller-ass little kid whose gullible-ass parents are like, I'm calling the local news. This is bad enough. They gave him a whole bong.

Yeah. A lit blunt. I can't believe it. Halloween cookies, though, the ones that are like basically butter that go around. They're like little cupcakes that go around the Reese's Cup, the mini Reese's Cup. You know that one? Oh, yes, yes, yes.

When you put it in. Yeah. Shout out to those baked yes, yes, yes. When you put it in. Yeah. That shit is. Damn. Shout out to those baked goods. Yeah, yeah. Halloween has some good baked goods associated with it. Yeah.

You know what? I think that's what I'll do. I'm just going to buy one of those Pillsbury tubes where you slice off the cookies, like the pumpkin ones. Yes. I'm just going to eat like three of those. Oh, yeah. Smoke a blunt and watch watch some like fucking arsenal highlights and we're good to go baby yeah play a little halloween music's pretty fun too there's like some good spooky jams always feel like somebody's watching me

thriller monster mash monster mash is a jam yeah we were playing that this morning in my house. It was a pay box. Is there a Dave Matthews Halloween album? There is a Dave Matthews creepy song. It's called And Another Thing. There's also a Dave Matthews song called Halloween, I think. There is. And there's a Dave Matthews song called Warehouse.

It's kind of creepy, too. But the And Another Thing is weird. It's the song where like he's just like oh and it's just it's really weird it's on the crash i just looked i just looked up the lyrics to halloween and like like this could be just a random word generators version of dave matthews lyrics the first verse hey little dreamers eyes open and staring up at me. It's like, that's just such a Dave Matthews ass lyric.

He's like, Hey, little dreamers eyes. Oh, little lonely eyes open and radiant. Hell yeah, Dave, stay with what you do.

Dave knows what he does. He knows what he's good at, and he does it. Is Halloween about being rejected three times after proposing marriage? Is it? I don't know. When you look at people's genius analysis of the lyrics, I'm like, oh, wow. Okay, cool. Why this lonely?

Why this lonely love? I wonder if artists go look at their- that's that's not very halloween yeah take a turn there dave i wonder if artists look at their genius though interpretations are like really oh huh okay interesting good yeah uh all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks.

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Now, this is more of a local story for us Angelenos Because Margarcetti of LA He first started off with the city of Los Angeles being like No trick-or-t no trick oh we're trick or treating you but oh hell no it's a fucking pandemic we're not trick or treat i don't give a fuck what you said uh cut to three hours later okay i am sorry uh do your own thing la my bad didn't mean to like try and look out for y'all as a as the fucking mayor really all they did just said is like they would actually would advise against

it that's that's what they went from being like it ain't happening to like we're gonna say like don't do that but that's i don't we'll see what happens in beverly hills though you know in that little enclave the mayor is not fucking playing around and it is a very specific the ban on trick-or-treating in beverly. It says, specifically, giving candy, toys, or treats to anyone outside one's household is prohibited, no matter if the handouts pass through a front door or the trunk of a car, the latter being known as trunk-or-treating. They also said the city has banned, quote, spring shaving cream on others, end quote, though it gave licensed barbers an exemption. Thank God.

Beverly Hills residents can also feel free to spray cream members of their own households within those households. What? Is the mayor the most concerned fucking parent on earth? What happened to the mayor with the shaving cream? Somebody sprayed shaving cream on him. Yeah, someone, they got that shaving cream prank and just have never recovered. Their whole career has been an excuse

to legislate people's ability to spray cream each other. I don't, it's, it doesn't even, it's so specific. Like in the actual wording of this you know from the city bam boom house to house trick-or-treating or car to car trick-or-treating the second thing that's prohibited is spraying shaving cream i mean i get it you're getting like a bunch of possibly contaminated like liquids on your face or some shit and it's around but like it seems like such a overly overly i don't understand i never even did that shit yeah no the only time i used shaving cream was the with the prank where you put it on someone's hand and then tickle their nose at a

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