The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 16 (Best of 3/19/18-3/23/18)

Episode Date: March 25, 2018

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all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laugh extravaganza uh yeah so without further ado here is the weekly zeitgeist first i wanted to talk real quick about cambridge analytica because this story is staying on the headlines uh you know mark zuckerberg has yet to come out and make an official statement Did you say he wasn't hiding or something? Just that he was conspicuously quiet Motherfuckers lost like 12 billion dollars in the last 24 hours

So his board can't be too psyched But I wanted to talk first of all about the idea that I've heard I've heard both sides of this this, that there is like a danger to them having too much access to our information because, you know, that information is powerful. And then I've heard people be like, nah, this is just like some bullshit that they claim to be able to, you know, predict and influence human behavior with this sort of data. And, you know, I find it really convincing.

There's the whole story was that the guy who ended up being the whistleblower and spoke to the New York Times was a student at Cambridge where this guy was doing a graduate study. And I remember this study coming out and like writing about it when it did. But basically he found that with 70 likes from a person's Facebook profile, he was able to predict something about that person better than any of their friends. With 150 likes, he was able to predict something about that person better than their parents. And with 300 likes, they were able to do it better than their romantic or life partner could. Meaning 300 things that that person has liked.

That that person had liked or like, yeah. Basically, it could be posts. It could be pages. That's it. Not like, here are my 300 favorite things. It's just they're scraping like 300 pieces of data points off of their facebook and what do you mean why would they say they could predict like what do they mean by that exactly i don't i don't know behavioral things that probably could be that's yeah i think it's

like behavior they'd vote for in an election yeah what kind of messaging would work that's not exactly uh because this person put this information out there, Facebook was immediately like, oh, shit, we shouldn't make people's likes public at that point. And Cambridge Analytica did a shady thing where they claimed to be giving people a psychological questionnaire. And then when they signed up for that questionnaire, it gained access to all of their Facebook data that way and also a lot of their friends' Facebook data. that way and also a lot of their friends as facebook data so they kind of went in a roundabout way of getting into people's facebook information but it's no doubt fucking shady uh whether it works or not i think it's shady one thing that uh i'm surprised to find out is that this really isn't a partisan thing i don't think we can be like, well, the Trump campaign, this proves that they were shady, because like, this is the sort of thing that both

sides have wanted to do and have successfully done in the past. And there's this National Review article, which I find a lot, a lot of their writing, you know, to be not that convincing, but I thought there's their article about this was pretty convincing. They compared the coverage of Cambridge Analytica and this media breach with the coverage of the Obama campaign and what they did with Facebook in 2012. And a lot of this stuff is very similar. Like they, there was a article in, I think it was like MIT Tech Review, where they talked about how Obama's campaign began the election year confident it knew the name of every one of the 69 million Americans who, whose votes put them in the White House. Pundits talk in abstract about reassembling Obama's 2008 coalition.

But within the campaign, that goal was literal. And then they used people's friends to influence them, their friends on Facebook. And basically Facebook was like, look, this is kind of abusive what you're doing, but we're going to let it slide as long as you stop doing it on November 7th. So after election day. After election day. Wow. And they basically just let it happen.

And they're bragging, like there are articles where they're bragging about this stuff and basically saying, we were able to use people's Facebook information to change their behavior. Here's the exact quote. So it's from this MIT article. They said the Obama 2012 campaign generated a new political currency that predicted the behavior of individual humans. The campaign didn't just know who you were. It knew exactly how it could turn you into the type of person it wanted you to be, which is like exactly what we're worried about. And that was in 2012 in an article that was like glowing and being like, yeah, we did it.

So I can totally see how, you know, the right might feel like, well, now because we do it, it's a problem. And I think it's I get that there's a double standard. I'm OK with there being a double standard as long as it causes us to stop this shit from happening. I don't think either side should be doing this. No, I don't think, I think what's scarier is the idea that we, that this is a way that you can operate a campaign or an influence campaign in general, like without just sort

of giving people facts and letting them decide based on the facts, let them come to a conclusion. Right. I just think it's all crazy but not surprising that this entire thing came from people's endless need for self-validation. Right. Like at the end of the day, it all just came from people wanting to be on social media so people could like their shit. No, I think that's one of the reasons too when you mentioned that, like why I stopped using Facebook because before I would get a high off of like a lit status or like flexing on Facebook. Yeah, refreshing your phone every 10 seconds. The little globe lit up with a red number.

I got a notification. And then like I was just really kind of – I was like, yo, I'm fucking over this shit. Like it was cool for like a year, like from college to maybe a few years out. Like it was cool for like a year, like, you know, from college to maybe a few years out. And then I just didn't have the, like the energy to like perform on Facebook for people is what it felt like. Like it was a performative and yeah. Like in that sort of feedback loop of getting likes, I think I sort of changed a bit, but yeah, I know like a lot of people who really do. Like, I don't know people who like will come at me like, yo, why don't you like the thing that I posted? Well, that's crazy.

I mean, that's not the normal, but I've heard. That's people letting you know that you can cut them out of your life. Well, that's people who I'm like, this is why I don't fuck with you. Because you're pressing me about not liking a fucking YouTube video you put up? Okay. I think that's a sign that you need to be like, all right, man, get in here for a hug. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need some actual human contact. You need some contact hours, my man. And then you need to be like, all right, man, get in here for a hug. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need some actual human contact.

You need some contact hours, my man. And then you need to delete Facebook. So delete Facebook is something that's trending right now. I would just say that that's an easy first step. But this original study did not focus on Facebook likes only. It was focusing on all the data you can get from a smartphone. And the guy who designed the study in Cambridge, who, by the way, Facebook called him the day after the study was released and threatened to sue him and also offered him a job because

they're like, holy shit. Fuck you, but I love you. Yeah. But we won't sue you if you take this job. But he was basically saying it's our smartphones. Like our smartphones are, in his words, a vast psychological questionnaire that we are constantly filling out both consciously and unconsciously. All right. So I'm going back to the two-way paper.

Flip phone, baby. You need to figure out if you're – like because they know how fast you're moving. They know so much shit about you. There's like a fucking. I will say to the delete Facebook people, don't overlook the fact that Facebook owns Instagram. So if you're going to be about that life, be about that life. You're deleting Facebook, delete that gram too.

Right, right. Go for it. Go whole hog. Right. That's why people just need to cop the matrix phone that Nokia is coming out with. Go back to basics and then keep, you know, just do your techs. But at the same time, I feel like I will kind of lose my mind if I didn't have a smartphone. Well, there does seem to be room in the sort of zeitgeist for a company that is just like straight up really good at tech shit, but is like, we're going back to basics.

This is untraceable. This is unfuckwithable. No internet on your phone yeah essentially or like very very basic you got 2g data my man right you can text you can you can be communicated with that's all to the year 2029 when libraries and encyclopedias are that new hot shit again right yeah exactly going analog baby they're like yo, is that like a 1990s kid's encyclopedia? Yeah, yeah. It's a book.

I have an original paper encyclopedia. Yeah, we should buy Encyclopedia Britannica. I bet that costs maybe a couple thousand dollars right now. Like this set? No, no, just the brand. You were about to say Encyclopedia Brown, weren't you? I was, yes. Great childhood series. We should buy him, too.

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free of distractions the Light Phone 2 brings essential tools like messaging and alarm clocks so it's even easier to ditch your smartphone more often smartphone, it encourages you to spend quality time doing the things you love the most free of distractions. The light phone, too, brings essential tools like messaging and alarm clock. So it's even easier to use your smartphone more often for good. OK, I wanted to talk about the Mueller investigation because that's that's still out there. I think this has been sort of, you know, the response to Trump's tweet storm over the weekend. Trump's tweet storm over the weekend. And then now Trump is thinking about, you know, remaking his legal team to bring on a conservative lawyer who has been very vocal, claiming that the whole Mueller investigation is a sham, a conspiracy to frame President Trump by Hillary Clinton and Obama. All of them. All those – yeah, Joe DiGenova is the new guy that he signed who is – again, Trump is just picking people he sees on the last 50 years because senior DOJ and FBI officials engaged in conduct that was designed to corrupt an American presidential election.

It wasn't the Russians who corrupted the presidential election. It was the American officials at the Department of Justice and the FBI. So, yes, of course you want this man caping for you because he believes the same crazy shit that you do. Right. crazy shit that you do right one thing i keep hearing from both sides uh but especially after trump's tweet storm i've been hearing it from conservatives they're like well what are we just going to let this go on forever like he's just going to be able to be investigating the president forever like i want to see some evidence and um the so 538 put together an infographic where they represented all the different special counsel investigations from history with, like, a line and, like, showed how many years they lasted. And then they put circles for each time there was an indictment filed.

indictment filed and so muller's investigation is actually like filing indictments faster than basically any of the ones in the past and every single uh past investigation uh has gone you know years at the very least yeah the shortest is like nearly three or just over three. Yeah. And the Iran-Contra was the other one that had very early indictments, but that one lasted six years. The indictments are a sign that there's something maybe going on here. The Valerie Plame investigation during the Bush administration, I think that was one of the shortest. That went a little over three years. And indictments didn't come till nearly two. Right. Yeah. So that's one thing that I don't know. I haven't seen fully represented when people are talking

about this. I think it's people are just so eager to just figure out like, you know, on the left, people are just so horny for like Mueller to come through with handcuffs and just cuff everybody up and take everybody out of the nightmare. And that's like the left version for wanting this to happen faster and then on the right is it sort of like all right like uh let's not keep underlining the fact that this guy i mean do we have to keep just doing this forever it's like well he's innocent then what the fuck is the problem like i feel like we all know they're not innocent. They're like making it plainly obvious by the with the firings. Yeah. But I really like what you said about what the left is doing, about like which is what I feel.

I don't I don't have any optimism when I look at these investigations, you know, because I feel like we're putting all our eggs in this basket. Right. When this is the issue, I think as a a country i feel like we're not learning any lessons as a country the way that we're watching and reacting to these investigations which is that we're not trying to i mean a little bit with the incoming elections you know like trying to do this blue wave of like you know yeah take back congress take back congress and all that other stuff but i i really feel like this is the issue with us as a country is that we are not we're not thinking about like the big picture we're just like waiting for somebody to bail us out and like right i don't know it's yeah and it's easy for a lot of republicans to

sort of sit on their hands right now and not do anything and whether it's like oh we need to protect robert muller or we need to just wait and see what happens. Yeah, I think this is the litmus test on which the left and the right are the furthest apart. And if Trump fires Mueller, it's going to bring that to a head. I don't know what happens at that point, but it is going to be a crisis. It's going to be worse than I think people. What does that look like? Right. So, I mean, I think on the right, they're just hoping it looks like the left being outraged and then nothing happening.

And then on the left, I don't know. What is the crisis? Well, it's essentially overturning the rule of law in this country. Like, is there going to be a coup? Like, is that what the crisis signals? Well, I think, you know, the most calm version, right, is like, let's say he fires Mueller in the next month. Right. Like, is there going to be a coup? Like, is that what the crisis signals? Well, I think, you know, the most calm version, right, is like, let's say he fires Mueller in the next month. Right. And the Republicans just sit on their hands because their strategy going to 2018 is basically like let Trump do his thing in every vulnerable district and he'll keep the Senate majority. Um, but then I think really the way it would play out, obviously people would take the streets and protest because I think most people do realize that it's like a step towards Trump

just becoming a total dictator being like, no, I'm above the law. Uh, but I think the only recourse we would have is to really ensure that there is some kind of massive democratic wave in the midterms. So at least there's a Congress, a house and a Senate that are diametrically opposed to the president's agenda. I mean, I kind of think that like, I mean, I have a very dark view of what's going on. I think we're already pretty much in crisis. The fact that we absolutely like the fact that any of this is happening at all, that

the president fires these people at will and nothing happens. And the fact that like, I don't even think what's happening in Congress is what is representative of the crisis. I think it's what's happening everywhere else. For instance, the Parkland shooting and the protests for that and how the NRA is pushing back and how no one is really no one's really standing up for those kids. You know, it's just like I mean, that's that's it. It's like that's the crisis. It's just like – I mean that's it. It's like that's the crisis. It's that like the people can die and no one really stands up for it. It's like we could wait for people to stand up in Congress, but I've long since lost any hope in those guys.

Well, yeah, because partisan politics has just turned it into a game of sort of like I just need to get through these elections. So I need to do whatever I need to do. Turn it into a game of sort of like, I just need to get through these elections and you do whatever I need to do. And if that means not rocking the boat to keep my head down and stay in office and be the most popular person in my state or whatever, then so be it. And like, yeah, that's where I think eventually we'll have to come to a head. Because what happens then when we really do have a president who is saying, like, I'm doing like wild illegal shit and you can't prosecute. But also is just like, what is keeping people in trump's corner it's like does he have stuff on people because it's just like he literally like at the drop of a hat will fire or out people or like ask them to sacrifice their careers and their livelihoods for to keep him safe and it's like what are they getting i i don't see anybody getting

anything out of it i think some people were just so purely focused on power that they get to be near it, that everything else goes out the window. It's like, oh, yeah, so what? I've completely compromised my dignity or I have no moral scruples or whatever. Yeah, but what's Scaramucci up to right now? Did he really benefit from the power? I don't know. He's falling ethnically ambiguous on Twitter, I guess. Yeah, that's true.

And his podcast. Former cons director for like a week and a half. Right, but he's got a book. I think that's true. And his podcast, his former cons director for like a week and a half. Right. But he's got a book. You know, I think that's the other thing. People are just using this to like, oh, let me just get my name in the news and then I'll just do the wild book deal. Yeah. And then I'll make money off of being near this president. And that's how I can do it. But yeah, it's, you know, like they say, there's a lot of articles now that's like, this will be worse than Watergate. Right. Right. Because in Watergate, you know, the Democrats had control of Congress. Right.

And so they were able to enact some sort of. Well, they also had Republicans that were willing to step up to their own president and be like, yo, there's got to be a line here. Like we. And that's why, you know, Nixon eventually was, you know, had to resign because there was enough pressure from within his own party. This is not going to happen now because there's only, what, maybe four or five top GOP members of Congress that are really being like, no, don't fuck around. And even then, they're not even the ones that I would even believe because they're so inconsistent. Yeah, and I wonder if Trump is even responding to pressure. Trump is even responding to pressure.

I don't think he's like the regular, like lifelong politician or like or even someone who understands politics enough to know that he should be listening to certain people. Well, yeah. I mean, now that he's got the A-team of weird people around him, he has no reason to act normal because at least he had like the people that he's like, you know, purged out of the White House. Or the people who would be like, you can't really talk like that or like you shouldn't really – we shouldn't go into something like this. And now that those people are gone, he's like doing whatever the fuck he wants. I had no idea how much power a president had until I watched Trump just do whatever he wants to do. I'm like, oh, you could do all that? Oh. I mean there are a couple of ways in which like thinking forward, whatever happens with the Mueller investigation when Trump is out of office hopefully in 2020, whoever the next real president Starr did to Clinton and what we want Mueller to be able to do to Trump, that could also be sort of a shitty precedent.

So there are things that – I don't know. So there are things that, I don't know, by having Trump in office, it's a little bit, you know, it sets precedents that aren't good. And it uses precedents from real presidents that, you know, make us regret every decision we've made. Giving a president power. Right, right. Right. Cool, because I think, too, with, like, a lot of Republicans, it's sort of like when the Vikings came through in the beginning. Like, they were just robbing monasteries because they're like, y'all got all this gold in these churches and you got these monks protecting it meanwhile we're crazy and we'll kill everybody

for gold and everyone's like yo what the fuck like normally you would respect the church like you wouldn't do some wild shit like that and this is kind of what trump is just coming through doing shit that people are like whoa wait what the fuck yeah and i think it's gonna take a second to fully be like seriously whatever that line comes. That's the thing. It's like people act like Trump is a rational president that understands. Give me that. And it's just like, no, it's like having a comedian run the White House or something.

What? I can do whatever I want. See, I think this is all just Miles's anti-Viking propaganda. No, fuck with the Vikings. Love them. I think this is all just Miles's anti-Viking propaganda. No, I fuck with the Vikings. I love them.

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What else is in the news, Miles? What else? There's a phone call. Yeah, yeah, because Donald Trump is the new Post Malone. Because he's telling everybody congratulations. So basically, Putin, quote unquote, won a quote unquote election in quote unquote Russia. When really. Well, I think Russia is real.

I don't know. That one doesn't even. Maybe that's you. I don't know. That one doesn't even. Maybe that's you. I don't believe anything. Everything is a simulation at this point. But yes. So he won, not even a contested election. Motherfucker basically was like, yo, anybody who's even coming close to fucking with me,

getting a unanimous victory, get them the fuck out of here or bar them or, you know, expel them from the country or threaten their life. So Putin won with, I think, over 76 them from the country or threaten their life uh so putin won with i think over 76 percent of the vote or something like that yeah something like that yeah and there was the hilarious thing is there were so many people complaining about like ballot rigging and shit people were stuffing ballot boxes and like it was just blatant fuckery uh with this election because and putin won by landslide whatever there's a crazy video it's russia yeah you can see like there's this video of a woman close circuit video yeah she's just stuffing the

fucking ballot box with just crazy votes just like fuck it yo we're gonna stack the deck anyway so because of that a lot of trump's advisors we like to call them rational adults well some are rational but they told him yo my man when you call, do not congratulate him in all caps, like instructions, like how to talk to this man. And what does this motherfucker do? Congratulates him on his great, you know, wonderful victory. Because obviously we don't want to congratulate him because we're not trying to let him think that we believe that he's legitimate. So just his press briefing like from his staff said like on a list of things that happened was like Putin won, parentheses, all caps, do not congratulate. Right. And he called him to congratulate him.

Right. Just like, nah, fuck it. What don't you want me to do? Watch me do this shit. Hold that LHR McMaster. It's like dealing with a two-year-old. Right. But then don't say the thing you don't want them to do because then they will do that thing.

The crazy thing was like – You gave them the idea. Well, why didn't you do it? And someone was trying to say, well, H.R. McMaster didn't explicitly mention it out loud while making eye contact with Trump kind of thing. Like, are you serious? So you've got to get in this dude's face now every time to do the most basic shit? Yeah. He didn't specifically bring it up on

the phone yeah it's insane and not even then they're like also they're like yo let's take a tough stance about the attempt on that double agent's life on the uk and how we stand with the uk on this no didn't mention that at all because he's just a fuck i don't know why he turns into such a scared person whenever he's on the phone with Putin unless – right? I mean we have to say this constantly. What power does he have over him? Because clearly he doesn't give a fuck about the scandals he has over here. Right.

Like, I mean, what, he has three active, like, sexual harassment-like type lawsuits right now in America? Yeah, at least. Yeah, when he gets on the phone with Putin, he's like, oh, I love you so much. Thank you so much. Te amo mucho, at least. you know yeah he also did the same thing with erdogan and in turkey was like hey congrats on your win and that was another one that was like i think there's an element outside of the politics that's just on some man shit that trump realizes putin could fuck him up yeah if they just were in the same room for no reason he shook putin would beat the shit out of him right i would pay to see putin smack him around a little bit like what's up donald what i tell you about them sanctions be have you seen that video of putin stretching his hips out where he's just like doing the hip wiggle? Before judo or something?

Yeah, before judo. No. It's funny. I know he loves the judo, the Puerto Rican judo. Oh, do you don't know what that is? That's what I say. Do you don't know who got this game? Shout out to Cameron.

But again, very disconcerting when you think about, too, we haven't done shit about the meddling that's even happening in our country now. think about too we haven't done shit about the meddling that's even happening in our country now with despite the most blunt calls for action from the intelligence community and still again uh you know well that that's the thing it's like it's it's annoying and it shouldn't have been done but at the same time you have to pick your battles and it's like of all the things that we have to deal with with respect to trump and what's going on, even with Russia, congratulating Putin is very low on my list of priorities of what needs to be addressed. Like, fine. Who gives a fuck? He shouldn't have done it.

He did it. Nothing actually matters from that. Right. I think the only reason that it's concerning is because it just emboldens Putin. Yeah. I mean, in a way, it legitimizes this, quote unquote, election. But at the same time, whether or not it was a legitimate election, the reality of the fact is he is in charge of Russia. So whether or not you like how he came to seize that power, he has that power, and that's not changing regardless of if Trump says congratulations or doesn't.

Well, because it's like the nearly antithetical response to when Obama was president. Like Hillary Clinton made a point last election to be like, this is a fucking sham. You know what I mean? That's clearly like one of the reasons why in the deck of things Putin hated about Hillary Clinton, that was high up there. So it must be really nice for Putin to have a nice phone call from somebody he knows he got that debo mind control over. control over and cia chief brennan former cia director john brennan is just coming out and just saying like all the shit that you know we say around the water cooler which we don't have a water cooler but the proverbial water cooler yeah yeah one day one day hey we're doing all right we might have a water cooler who buries about to send one after i hear this um but he he was like you know who knows maybe the russians have something personal

on trump so this is the former chief of the cia uh and the right has now been forced to create a conspiracy theory where the head of the cia and hillary Obama were all in on this long-term plan to frame Trump for colluding with Russia. Yeah, long-term. They were planning that he was going to win. Right, exactly. While there were 16 people in the primary, 15 of which were shitting on Trump at the time. Right.

They were the most surprised of anybody. Have you ever met somebody who cannot admit they're wrong? Yeah. And they do anything to fucking convince themselves otherwise. It's just crazy to see that play out at this level with a hive mind. Right. You know? Yeah.

I'm a Jewish comedian. I know a few people who don't want to admit that they're wrong. The first subject we wanted to talk about is a little bit of good news. The first subject we wanted to talk about is a little bit of good news, the fact that it's looking like we're going to have viable nuclear fusion coming down the line in about 15 years, which is exciting. All right. Let me set my alarm for 15 years. But that I mean, that is one of the ways that, you know, we could definitely see climate change being addressed is, you know. But before we get to that, we're just also talking about – How deeply cynical everyone still is about everything.

Well, yeah. I mean, for instance, the idea that there is a nuclear option. Charlie, you were saying that we didn't even know that was a thing. I didn't know that was a thing. Like Miles was talking about how 30 – like Democrats have won 37. A lot of special elections. Special elections and Republicans have only won four. And I was saying, like, let me just rain on your parade there. He was trying to make me more hopeful. Right. Because I'm like, even if the Democrats do take that Congress, I just don't see them being ready for power. Right. Like they just don't use power the way that the republicans do in the sense that like the i didn't even know what nuclear option was until the republicans used it on the what was it the house floor or something or like i i had no idea the kinds of things and tactics you could you know employ um until republicans did it so i'm just like

are they ready to like are they ready ready to like go balls to the wall? Like, are they ready to like the Mueller investigation. But the thing that just kept popping up in my head was, man, if this was Obama, you guys would have been like Fox News would have been like losing their mind. And, you know, we wouldn't have even gotten to where where we are in the trump situation because of just how crazy the right wing media would have gone and right um you know i i do feel like it's just people are playing two separate games and the right wing media and the right wing politicians are just so much shrewder and yeah yeah just more they're more effective they're still doing jedi mind tricks yeah uh the the right wing is doing jedi mind tricks and everyone you know the gas light the whole gas lighting term that started being used um that's what's happening the nra is doing it everybody's doing it and no one is being honest this is what i was talking about with miles

too like on the break was about how trump is just a symptom of everything else that's going on and like of what we've allowed as a country to happen you know like of course obama couldn't do this because he's black and trump is white and and this is what the country wants like the country wants i mean not the country i don't think but like this is what the people that voted for him want. They want their power back. So they're going to be using all kinds of backhanded terms and like like alt right instead of just saying Nazi and things like that. And the news goes along with it because that's what makes money and that's what people watch. So it's like we're just going to keep doing this little dance. Right. Until we like, you know, I don't think we're ever going to stop the bullshit. But I do got to say, yeah, with the nuclear option that we the Democrats started Schumer.

Schumer is the one to use. No way. Yeah. Because it was during the time when the Republicans were fucking just obstructing like Obama couldn't get shit done. And I was like, we may have to we have to blow this thing up. But yes, now it's like anything. Right. Because you have to shift the rules. Like Jack was saying before of like Obama had expand powers because Republicans were obstructing his sort of policy goals. And then in the Senate and things, a lot of procedure was altered and things to sort of get around these things. And now we're kind of on the other side. But anyway, what about some good news, Jack?

You were saying something about fusion? Something about the environment? Yeah. So this is something that I had sort of just put out of my mind as a possibility, nuclear energy being a thing. I think I was raised on the Simpsons where Homer works a nuclear power plant and there's a fish that has three eyes because of that nuclear power plant. And, um, you know, uh, in the late seventies, early eighties,

there was a, uh, movie called China syndrome, which I never knew where, uh, that title came from. And the idea is that in a, if there's a nuclear reactor meltdown,

the like core is so hot that it will actually burn through the planet and come out the other end in China, which is not how gravity works. Right. At a certain point, it's just going to be on the other. Right. It would just stop. Okay. Anyway. Anyways.

So that's the idea there. And there's a lot of just fear and, you know, Chernobyl was obviously awful and a lot of bad shit happened there. But they have made nuclear energy much safer than it has been in the past. And a lot of the nuclear energy stuff besides Chernobyl has really been panic-based stuff. And Fukushima? Well, Fukushima, it didn't end up hurting that many people. Right, but it destroyed the water. I mean, like the effects are pretty profound, like to the actual water table in the surrounding area and things like that. Yeah, but like –

I guess, yeah, you're not talking full-blown meltdown, but yeah. Right. I think there's still an inherent risk with some, right? With some. Yeah, no, no yeah i think there's still an inherent risk with with some right with some yeah no no i think there is but i also think the response in the aftermath like uh nancy grace was freaking out about planes coming from uh japan having all this radiation on them right right and basically saying that that was a result of fukushima and like how the water that we were getting was radioactive and stuff.

And the level of radiation she was talking about was actually just from those planes being above the clouds, like close to the sun. Like that's right. Like atmospheric radiation. The sun has lots of radiation. But so I just think that it's overrated how dangerous nuclear power plants are. And now that we're actually seeing some consequences to global warming that is killing people, now that we're seeing the stronger storms, we're seeing the civil war in Syria was started by a drought that was caused by global warming. Like now that we're seeing stuff like that, it's really time to take a second look at nuclear energy. And especially now that some scientists have come out, the Guardian just had a report on the 9th of March saying that we're only 15 years away from nuclear fusion,

which nuclear fission is what we've been working with up to this point. It's got all the, you know caused Chernobyl and all that bad stuff. Fusion is basically how the sun works. It's by fusing two atoms together. It creates this like boundless energy, but it's much safer. It's much more stable. It creates more energy. It's basically like the holy grail of energy. And they think we're about 15 years away from it. But it's not fashionable to be into nuclear, especially in the West, which is kind of right. of those things that we're talking about because people associate those cooling towers with like nuclear meltdowns and stuff um but it's perfectly safe and you know much better for the planet than the things that we're currently using to heat and power our electric grid right because like photovoltaics and like solar and things like that can only generate so much energy whereas like fusion is like you're saying like it's an insane so much energy whereas like fusion is like you're saying like it's an insane amount of energy that like enables a lot of other things like even

desalinization and things like that because like being able to do that like there are knock-on effects if you know in 15 years i'm starting to count uh if they actually do have this full-on carbon-free you know scaled fusion power, that could have pretty widespread benefits for humanity. I feel like as soon as they make it viable, somebody is going to start selling it. Yeah, because right now I think it's like – it costs like billions of dollars just to research it. And they're saying like the first plants could be tens of billions of dollars, maybe trillions more depending on like how sophisticated it is. Because right now like the whole struggle has been like they've been able to fuse the atoms to sort of create the energy release. But they haven't been able to generate more power from the fusion than it takes to even create the reaction in the first place.

So like I think now that they're starting to reach that tipping point where they can be like, OK, we a return on the energy we're putting in i guess it's becoming more feasible but i have to say that is like the one thing i am looking forward to like unlimited energy technology like like tesla doesn't have any huge competition right now as far as their standard of car you know like if like other when other people get in the game and you can get like a cheap electric car, that's like really nice. Right. Or like we phase out gas cars, you know, like which is a long time from now, but still totally, totally in the distance. Well, a lot of countries are trying to phase them out. So that's it's a sign. It's a step towards. It's cool. I think Russia, even though they're the site of the one nuclear meltdown that has killed lots of people, they have invested more in nuclear power than we have, I think, purely because we're ruled by the whims of the public. And if there's a scary movie like The China Syndrome that comes out, that's going to determine how viable it is for a community to invest in nuclear power.

There's this thing I just found out about called like the race for the Arctic shipping routes. And basically, Russia has all these different boats that are called nuclear icebreakers that are basically nuclear poweredpowered boats that break through ice in northern shipping routes. And basically, they're going to rule all the northern shipping routes once the ice has melted enough due to global warming. So they're sort of investing for a future that includes global warming, and they're able to do it better than us because they can invest in nuclear energy and not have these like sort of misunderstandings about how safe nuclear energy is. But yeah, I mean, super producer Nick Stumpf just sent a list of energy source mortality

rates, deaths per year per TWH, which I'm assuming is like per 100,000 or something like that. But coal, the world average is 161 deaths per year. Coal in China, 278. In the U.S., it's 15. Oil, 36. Natural gas, 4. And nuclear is 0.04. So it's basically the safest.

Like it's safer than – I guess rooftop solar according to is 0.04. So it's basically the safest. Like it's safer than – I guess rooftop solar according to this list. Right. Rooftop solar, there's – But what are the – I guess you have to think about – They cause fires. Right. Wind, I think – I don't actually know how wind kills people.

It kills all the birds. It kills a lot of birds. It has like trees falling and – A lot of – Stable buildings. Right. It's weird to think, you know, like that only 15 people, I guess, are ones that they can directly relate to coal-generated energy, essentially.

Is that the idea? So it's deaths per year per tetrawatt hour, we think, which is a guess, but we think it's like per unit of energy produced. Yeah, but look, we're not scientists. Right. like per unit of energy produced. Yeah, but look, we're not scientists. Right.

But we're basically saying – they're basically saying nuclear energy is per unit of energy the safest type of energy when you compare it to oil, coal, natural gas, biofuel, peat, solar slash rooftop, wind, and hydroelectricity, which I thought was the safest. Okay. Well, get that fusion going. Like I said, scientists, you have, I guess, 14 years and 363 days now. Yeah. But I'm saying get the fission going too. Like we're too scared of fission.

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Oh, great. It is. What's the title? The title is grammatically incorrect. It is Bob Honey Who Just Do Stuff. So we're pretentious right from the jump from the jump bob honey who just do stuff yeah like it's interesting and artistic because that's not how you say that phrase um yeah how do you say it to make it sound coherent he just does stuff right no but as written bob honey who just do stuff is there like a piece uh yeah if you actually who just do stuff oh just do stuff? Is there like a piece? Bob Honey.

Who? Just do stuff. Oh, just do stuff. Yeah. Okay. So it's like multiple people need to be involved in this conversation.

Or Bob Honey who? Like you don't know who Bob Honey is and then it's just like just do stuff. Anyway, so this book sounds great already

because we don't even, can't even wrap our minds I'm still running scenarios. Yeah, I'm still running. There's like a six-year-old kid like, hey, my little Bob Honey. Me who? Bob Honey who? Just do stuff.

Right. Right. Yeah. So Bob Honey has a hard time connecting with other people. He is the protagonist, especially since his divorce. Huh. Hmm. Oh, okay.

He's tired of being marketed to every moment. Sick of a world where even an orgasm isn't real until it is turned into a tweet. Now, what the fuck are you talking about right there, Sean? This is in the Amazon description of the book. This isn't Jack riffing. This is the product description. Sick of a world where even an orgasm isn't real until it is turned into a tweet. What the fuck does that mean?

Like, how does someone write that sentence and be like, I've summed up our culture. That's like dad beat poetry. I don't even know. It's so embarrassing. The thing continues. A paragon of old-fashioned American entrepreneurship, Bob sells septic tanks to Jehovah's Witnesses and arranges pyrotechnic displays for foreign dictators. Okay. See, he's on the whole spectrum here.

Right. Human experience. Yeah. Let me just skip ahead to the end of the description. ahead to the end of the description with treason on everyone's lips terrorism in everyone's sights and american political life sinking to ever lower standards bob decides it's time to make a change if he doesn't get killed by his mysterious controllers or exposed in the rapacious media first what do you mean killed what is the deep state right he's referencing the deep controllers the other part we skipped is that he could quote he's also a contract first. What do you mean killed? The deep state. He's referencing the deep state.

The mysterious controllers. The other part we skipped is that he's also a contract killer for an off-the-books program run by a branch of Utah. That targets the elderly, the infirm, and others who drain this consumption-driven society of its resources. An elderly hit person? No, he kills the old.

The elderly. Because it's hurting american dude our health care system is doing a perfect job they're making so much money like they're ideal targets my god uh yeah and as our writer jm mcnabb said who better to transition into a career as a satirist than Sean Penn, a guy who wrote an angry letter to Trey Parker and Matt Stone after Team America came out, offering to fly them to Iraq before they should be allowed to make jokes about not voting in an election. Because, yeah, he just took everything they said seriously. He's also the guy who, when chris rock made some joke about jude law when he hosts the oscars sean penn got up in his acceptance speech was like i'll tell you

who jude law is he's one of our finest working actors i was like all right spicoli sit down um we also watched a video that i i don't think you can put into words necessarily. I mean, I understand Sean Penn. He's a real activist and really trying to fucking heal the wounds of this country. So I had never seen this video. Jack says, yo, have you seen the video where Sean Penn and Kid Rock are like arguing at a bar and they heal the nation? I said, fuck no. We watch it.

It's fucking insane it's uh it's sean penn at a bar like watching mitt romney introduce kid rock to do a live performance and then like the fucking shot holds on this kid rock performance like a good 20 seconds more than it needs to be like way long time and then suddenly like the sean penn's like can you change it and the bartender does and then the whole time kid rock was next to him like drinking really loudly with his friends singing into his beer bottle yeah and then then trading that you know the real tired stereotypical jabs that the left and right have for each other he's like you're just a confederate flag hugging blah blah blah and kid rocks you're just a previous driving obama

sucking i don't know what the fuck that obama, miss me with that homophobic shit, Kid Rock. Troop Obama. Yeah, Troop Obama. Right. Exactly. And then like, I don't know. It just underlines sort of how out of touch or insane both of them are. And by the way, Kid Rock, who wrote and I think directed or at least had a lot to do with the editing of this movie because of like there's a shot, like Miles was where he's watching a kid rock performance completely gratuitous like there's actually no need for sean penn to see

this kid rock performance no but then it holds on the kid rock performance for like 35 seconds so kid rock can like do the part he thinks looks cool right but this was clearly like written and edited by him and he never comes around on the gay thing he's still homophobic at the end like sean penn takes him to a gay marriage which by the way is like the 80s beer commercial version of gay like a guy dressed up as a groom and then another guy dressed up as a woman with a beard a woman wildly problematic and then like surprise takes the veil away and they start kissing and kid rock goes no no no way like really big gestures right yeah what's crazy though too isn't that bar scene the turn happens when they're bickering over their

political ideological differences is when suddenly the news report comes on about a few like you military like troops losing their lives in afghanistan and then like immediately dropped arguing they both like dropped their heads sean Sean Penn starts sobbing. He starts crying. He starts crying. And then he's like, yeah, man, I guess we should get along. Right. And then they're like, to freedom. And I think they cheers.

Yeah. After they go on like a gratuitous buddy trip where they learn about each other on the beach and they make a sandcastle flag. Everybody needs to watch this video. It is the 10 longest minutes of your life. I mean, people say like the DMT experience, the psychedelic, it lasts about 10 to 15 minutes, right? Yeah. And, you know, allegedly. And it feels like eternity.

Oh, it does. I thought I was in the matrix. This is like the video equivalent of DMT if you had like a really bad trip. Yeah. This is what if a DMT trip is like right before you smoke the DMT, this is your stepmom yelling at you because your report card is really bad. That's 10 minutes, but it feels like it's the longest video you've ever seen in your life. Yeah. Yeah. There's just a lot of cool stuff in this. to at least once watch this video to see, if nothing else, the amazing way time can dilate when Sean Penn is trying to teach you something about how the world works.

Yeah, and how full of shit both people on either side can be. Could you pick – could you fantasy draft? Could you choose, select with your imagination two better slash worse people to represent like what it means for the opposites of America to come together. Sean Penn and Alex Jones would be pretty dope. Okay. Okay. But Sean Penn is our – all of those things.

Yeah. He's the worst of us. Yeah. He's the worst of everything. Yeah. He's definitely the worst. Californians, artists, everything. He's just –

He embodies it all. Surfers. Getting back to his novel. He embodies it all. But getting back to his novel, so it features an American president who might be a stand-in for whoever is currently in the White House. I don't know. His name is Mr. Landlord. Okay.

So the protagonist is Bob Honey. His name is Mr. Landlord. The president is Mr. Landlord. I hope there's a dramatic scene in this book where it's like, and Bob Honey said he's going to take down Mr. Landlord. The president is Mr. Landlord. I hope there's a dramatic scene in this book where it's like, and Bob Honey said he's going to take down Mr. Landlord. Right, right. Yeah, that sentence written out. Yeah, and then he talks about, yeah, there's a whole thing about how this president has an unhealthy obsession with Twitter and an uncanny ability to spark furious marches by women around the world. And then it says also contains the Killer Burn penis-idency.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a weird thing. Okay, so part of it is he's writing a letter. Bob Honey's writing a letter to the president, Mr. Landlord. Mr. Landlord. Dear Mr. Landlord. It's probably not even President Landlord. Right. Many wonderful American people in pain and rage elected you.

Many Russians did too, Burn. Wonderful American people in pain and rage elected you. Many Russians did, too. Burn. Your position is an asterisk accepted as literally as your alternative facts. Burn. Though the office will remain real. You never were nor will be.

Whoa. A million women so dwarfed your penis sedency, which is supposed to be a play on presidency, even though that's not clear at all. And penis? Nope. Oh, yeah. No, funnily enough, not. No. Penis-a-dency on the streets of Washington and around the world on the day of your piddly inauguration. That sentence doesn't end.

And then it just says, dot, dot, dot. Tweet me, bitch. I dare you. That is sharp. sharp he's even got fucking heat for the me too movement yeah calls the me too movement quote an infantilizing term of the day is this a toddler's crusade reducing rape slut shaming and suffrage to reckless child's play a platform for accusation impunity due process has lost its sheen i mean it's crazy too because like i was saying he i mean both him and madonna deny that like he like abused her but there are plenty of reports of people like pulling up to the scene and

seeing a distraught madonna who i think was bloodied or whatever, supposedly, allegedly by Sean Penn. And yet it's not his fault in the sense that he has not lived in anything approaching reality for quite some 30 years at the very least. And so people who are this famous are just going to do embarrassing shit. And, you know, they definitely don't live in the tough break. Yeah, I do. This is inevitable. I should say it is in the real world it's a tough break yeah i i do this is inevitable i should say it is his fault but it's inevitable there's nobody there to be like looking at his first draft of this book even though who knows if he even thought he needed

someone to look at it and be like right this actually isn't very good we maybe need to work on some of the dialogue to make it more realistic like real people talk uh this is how people talk man in my mind i was in the back of a Lincoln with Matthew McConaughey yesterday talking about how cool it is to every once in a while drive. Yeah. Like a gas car? Whoa. And finally, so the origin story of the book might be the best part.

The origins of the book began with an audiobook sean penn performed claiming it was written by pappy pariah a novelist he quote met at a bar in key west i think brian way all right that's gonna do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show. It means the world to Miles. He needs your validation, folks. I hope you're having a great weekend, and I will talk to you Monday. Bye. Thank you. Captain's Log, Stardate 2024.

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