The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 168 (Best of 3/22/21-3/26/21)

Episode Date: March 28, 2021

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. infotainment laugh stravaganza uh yeah so without further ado here is the weekly zeitgeist what is something you think is overrated okay um so this is in my own personal opinion and i'm not a cpa or a lawyer but i think it's overrated to be afraid of the irs i think people really like freak out and they like are afraid of being audited even if they aren't criminals and they're afraid that if you do do a criminal activity you will definitely get arrested so from my personal

experience go off wesley yeah i know you're scared of no irs i think i was thinking about that and he must have just like been like no i didn't cheat on my taxes no i didn't because if you're like yeah i did they're like okay we're setting up a payment plan my dad's second wife when they were still married she did do a malfeasance and because they were married he signed all the tax paperwork and then the irs found out and they were like hey come on and they were like we know and so they were married, he signed all the tax paperwork. And then the IRS found out and they were like, hey, come on. And they were like, we know. And so they put them on a payment plan just to pay it off. And that's it. And then when my dad died, I knew he hadn't finished paying it off because he was homeless. So of course he didn't. And I called the IRS and I said, hey, my dad died and he owed you money. And the woman said, did he have a wife?

And I said, no. And she said, did he have an estate? And I said, ha ha ha, no. And she said, okay, his debt is erased. And that's it. Like everyone thinks that you're going to, if you die with debt, your people are going to have to pay for it. No. So again, only in my personal experience is like, but if you fuck up your taxes, just

own up to it and you're going to be fine. And the IRS people, the customer service at the IRS is actually really nice. Just takes a while to get a hold of them if you want to get them on the phone. Sometimes I've as somebody who's, yeah, I've had my few run-ins with the Internal Revenue Service. And I had the same evolution too, where I i was like oh man like like i won a sweepstakes years ago like first time ever in my life and like yeah yeah i mean it was like a contest but like we like but it had a prize and shit and like my band won and like so i'm my dumb

ass was on the tax paperwork so suddenly i'm getting all these like materials and other things that i didn't know you know this is the time i was broke as fuck. I didn't know how taxes work. So I was like, I don't know. Y'all just fucking keep it. And they're like, yeah, motherfucker,

you was like eight grand. I'm like, I didn't know. And for the longest time, I thought they were going to come to my house, kick the door down, like arrest my mom, like set my dog on fire and like be like,

Oh, I'm like, what the fuck am I do? Until I talked to my dad, who is an adult who has been through it. And he's like talk to them you fucking idiot like it's not that why do you think that's what's gonna happen i don't know wesley snipes went to jail yeah and he's like he was so flagrant with it and i was like right okay right i think i think that ultimately the iris just wants their money more than they want to punish you which is so un-american but yeah they

really just want the money right because you can be like we owe this much and like can i give you 50 bucks a month and they're like yeah yeah fine fine fine yeah exactly all right take care man catch you later out there what the fuck you have motherfuckers knocking on my door dropping off like six pound envelopes and shit yeah yeah but then as soon as you agree to your ten dollar a month payment plan they're like bye at the very least just talk to a tax preparer because that was the like after my dad and then talking to someone they're like oh okay like and you can feel off the energy from an accountant when you tell them the situation they're like oh okay so we'll do this and you're like wait i don't have to climb a mountain and give a blood offering to some kind of deity no okay that's totally like when i'm

in an airplane and there's turbulence i immediately look for the flight attendants and every time they're just like chilling and i'm like okay good same vibe yeah i think my fear comes from a seinfeld episode where he was audited did that happen and he like had to find all the receipts that he didn't have and yeah yeah also yeah my dad was audited too i remember as a kid and he like had to find all the receipts that he didn't have and yeah yeah also yeah my dad was audited too i remember as a kid and it was like i remember being too young but i just remember the word and how stressed my dad was and him like looking through boxes and i was like i don't want that but now everything's digital like it's such a different time now it's like yeah i can summon bank records like that.

Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. I've heard that like part of if you're paying like a private accountant, not like H&R Block, but if you're paying big bucks for an accountant, kind of what you're paying for is protection and not having to deal. Yeah. Yeah. Because if they're the ones who did your taxes, the IRS will come to them first.

All that to say, they're setting up the tax codes and plans to be so fucking confusing that we can't just do it. So many other countries have way better processes for this kind of shit where they're actually the ones keeping tabs and be like, okay, here's your bill. Here's your bill.

Counting on people to fuck up and not be able to get the maximum return or what they're owed so it's just what if the restaurant made you figure out the market price for like right fish that day we're like all right so here are the uh economic conditions and the fish market out of russia which is where we imported this from uh i import all my fish from russia when i go out to eat but yeah there's actually a column about that very thing in the la times i think it came out uh on friday by lucas kwan

peterson and it's about how we don't understand food costs and we should all be paying more money so oh wow oh she got a lot of topics in there we're paying for cheap we're paying too too little for food yeah yeah in terms of like how it, how the cost bears out for like the restaurant itself to run as a business or like what the actual costs are for them for the product. Well, for the restaurants itself and then, you know,

further down the supply chain, the farms and the processors, all that sort of stuff. Yep. Yep. Blake, what's something you think is overrated? Overrated. I'm going gonna go with uh francis scott key and uh i just first of all i'm like because you know the whole story war of 1812 and

1814 he was uh he was an american by the way this is funny to me i looked up a francis scott key and the thing that comes up on google as his job isn't guy who penned the star spangled banner it just says american lawyer which i thought was very very funny you know yeah it's like all right i guess seo for francis scott key but um he uh he was doing a prisoner exchange aboard a british ship as lawyers are want to do and he figured, or he saw like their plans to like bombard this Harbor. So they didn't let him off the boat until after the bombardment. So he stuck on this boat and just like, I just,

the lyrics don't hold up to me for that song. And then also I'm more of like an America, the beautiful type person, you know, call me, call me nuts. And if I was in jail, I would do some push-ups you know

like not like i would get in shape not do like a side hobby does that make sense so i think the whole francis scott's key thing is it's not even wow so you're saying since he was locked down on that ship he should have been doing burpees in the yard writing his shit right not sitting there writing music and racist ass poems i agree become our national anthem i'm looking on his wikipedia page there's he has his own coat of arms and it's probably one of the most disappointing looking coat of arms i've ever seen because it's like a really bland shield with two like horizontal or uh diagonal black stripes, like a white shield, two solid diagonal black lines,

your usual filigree around the side. Then you have a knight helmet with a griffin head on top with a key in its mouth. It's so fucking... Get it, key? Yeah. Is it saying get it, key, like out of a word balloon well the griffin is kind of pointing to itself with like lifted raised eyebrows yeah it's like that's good frances scott what now griffin key no fuck scott key fuck i knew the griffin was a bad idea it

kind of looks like a llama, too. Anyway, nothing like having a logo for your family. A coat of arms is almost always disappointing. You know, like it's never like you could choose anything like that. That guy wasn't a knight. You know what I mean? You could put anything on it and that's what he chose. It's like it kind of just the resurgence of coat of arms is like my favorite thing is like, you know, like the sort of Western European answer to like ancient calligraphy or foreign languages. Like, yeah, this is actually my history.

This is the coat of arms for the McMahon family. And it's like very in depth. And I'm like, OK, that's cool. And it always it just yeah, it looks like a logo for a boarding school always. Yes. always it just yeah it looks like a logo for a boarding school always yes you know and it's never like at least like in japan there's like mung or like kamon which is your family like crest and there's a lot of cool ones that are like coming out of you know depending on like where your family was at in that period uh and like when i found mine i was like all about that because

this is my coat of arms because i was yelling at yelling at my Scottish friend who was showing me his and I felt disappointed there wasn't one for Japan. But anyway. Mine is the three fans, if you're interested. Mitsuha. Mine is three lions, which perfectly matches up with my dynamic

and tenacious personality. Aggressive. But I am a Leo, so it does kind of work like that. Oh, yeah. It is actually three lines for the O'Brien. The three lines for O'Brien. Yeah.

Just three guys named Brian. And they're kind of doing a weird pose. It almost seems like they're doing the Teen Wolf dance. Oh, wow. This is how i've always interpreted it mine's a street sign that just says rough road ahead they give you that when you're born yeah little did my family know yeah it's been a tough couple of centuries for the wexlers

it's just an expiration date yeah it says uh march 30th 2021 expired so i don't know what that is but i don't know what you guys think it means i don't know we'll see soon very soon yeah that's up there with like name name meaning meaning with a thing that people think is significant that probably was made up in the 70s by someone who was selling t-shirts. Yeah, that and any stupid-ass gift shop of a meaningless place that shouldn't have a gift shop is always like, look what your name means. Right. Jack means follower of Christ, soldier, dedicated. And you're like, what the fuck? follower of christ soldier dedicated and like what the fuck but there's so many like contradictory and like just so many different meanings for literally every name but people are like i like

this one uh i like this possible name for my child because it means a beautiful princess of the flowers that's like i i've also seen where it means uh island that garlic comes from so uh which is actually the meaning of ramsey which is one of my kids names uh it actually does come from latin of soldier hey and i remember seeing that i was like i ain't no fucking soldier bro right yeah miles is too cool a name i'm a deserter bro right just smoking weed while everybody's like you know fucking doing where i'm like yeah i'm sorry it's way too intense for me right now i'm a deserter through and through deserter i'm eating dessert uh all the time it's it's a great community oh yeah very yeah just you know bad teeth though a lot of sugar a lot of cavities actually when i look up the meaning of my name it just says like jacking off you know, bad teeth, though. A lot of sugar. A lot of cavities. Actually, when I look up the meaning of my name, it just says, like jacking off, you know?

Oh, my God. That's surprising. I thought it would be less literal than that. Yeah, that's pretty on the nose. You know, like jacking off. Pretty on the nose. That's interesting. You know, like jacking off. What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are, what you're up to, where you are?

You know what? Let me open it right now. We'll do this live. Intense. Intense. There it is. Drum roll, please. Okay.

I was recently looking up Dolly Parton's husband, Carl Dean. Yeah. I was recently looking up Dolly Parton's husband, Carl Dean. Yeah. The enigma that is Carl Dean because, you know, as you guys know, I have the podcast Celebrity Book Club where I read celebrity memoirs. And I always thought of Dolly Parton as, you know, an enigma and we don't know anything about Carl. And then you read her 1994 autobiography and you're like, there's a shit ton about Carl in here. I mean, there's too much.

There's too much. She's like, she describes, you guys, Carl Dean. I don't know if you saw this coming. Are you Dolly Parton fans? Yeah, I mean, we're Dolly fan adjacent. So the lore intersects with the show pretty often. I think the last time we talked about Carl Dean, we were just like laughing at how like norm core he was, but then how that like kind of made sense for them as a couple.

That's amazing. I'm going to ruin that for you today. Oh, yes, please do because i then my other thing was like maybe he's a freak he a freak um no he's not a total freak but but here's like a story she told about him of like uh like a friend and i'm and i'm paraphrasing i'm gonna get something wrong she would she told stories about bits carl likes to do. Carl loves bits. I don't know if you saw that coming. Now, more than that. Ooh, this could go in a lot of different directions.

Like comedian bantering type, like he loves bits? He has a solid chunk on Trader Joe's, the Trader Joe's parking lot. Not Santa, but like a physical, he loves a physical gag. Okay. So apparently like to make one of of her friends laugh he put on these like huge like a huge necklace of like cow teeth and maybe like a weird hat that went with it like a full you know full thing comes walking in and stuck to the bit for nine hours nine hours wait of having a cow teeth like just just a kooky outfit on yeah and i think i think he was also playing a character i think he had a voice oh shit yeah and then there's another story

about how she was at a concert once and like looked over and carl had just joined the band and was like singing with the band like faking yeah and then like as part of their coupledom she uh had him arrested by the cops of like this stranger wandered on stage with us please arrest this man who's singing as like part of it like carl will find this hilarious right then and then here's a third layer they've never acknowledged it to each other and dolly says carl likes the jokes better that way wait so this rules so he doesn't know that she had him arrested no he knows they just they just don't talk about it it's like a committing to the bit of like he pretended to be a stranger she pretended he was a stranger too and had him arrested nasty he did his bid

like a boss six months hard time yeah and just never mentioned it doesn't drop it doesn't call it out yeah wow so yeah so if you're a dolly head and you want to know about carl dean pick up the book or listen to my podcast honestly that's a better plug but uh or that it's just it is so normcore in that she has a juvenile annoying husband annoy the fuck out of her and then get arrested but then you're kind of into that too because you're like that's my contribution yeah he's like he's got like weird dad vibes like the silly dad who's like always doing bad dad jokes but like taking them too far to the point that it makes everybody uncomfortable yes yes although i i i i love this carl is normcore theory but i i feel like if carl were normcore when dolly got famous he would have got competitive divorced her or tried to be her manager and none of those things happened and he's still with her and like lets her clearly have an

open marriage that he doesn't participate in so that's why i'm just like oh i didn't know that is it an open marriage it is i will tell you this from reading the book and from her interview with barbara walters there's no way it's not an open marriage however dolly's the one in the open carl she says i believe carl i'm the only person he's ever been with with all my heart and then in other parts of the book she's like i've never met a man i didn't want to have sex with and then in the q a she uh it's like a very funny q a in the back of the book uh they say have you ever cheated on carl and she said that's uh that's for me to know and for you and carl to find out i mean is that her being witty or you think that's her just kind of being like, yeah, I cheat, but I'm going to give you a cute answer.

I'm going to be coy with my answer. I mean, she is definitely, she loves to joke her way out of the truth. However, in the book, she's also like, I'm so horny. I mean, throughout the book, she's like, I'm so horny. I love sex. And I didn't know if I could believe in God, but now I do because I can have sex. I love sex. And me and Carl Dean, uh, don't live together often. And I often don't see him. So the math equation on that to me is like, okay, I mean, Dolly's getting it in. Yeah. If she's not, I'm devastated. So I,

I choose to believe, but yeah, the Barbara Walters interview, I thought, made it clear. They have an open marriage. Yeah. That's my take. Okay. I like that. It's like literally impossible for her. Like every detail that you just said makes her more endearing.

She's just maybe the most endearing human ever. Right. I totally agree. I totally agree. The only unendearing thing about her is that she uh hates the word feminist but other than that i feel like even on like she's i feel like she comes around on black lives matters issues anything she's done wrong feels like when you call her out she she changes is accountable yeah yeah well we hold her in high

regard but yeah now the whole time we're like man, was Carl just getting cucked the whole time? Was she with Burt Reynolds or was that just like his kink where he's like, pretend you're with them. Because actually the last time we brought him up was in the context of like, does she cheat? And if she does, does he know? Does he like that? Or does he just like rumors? Oh, he knows. Oh, he knows.

And also what I love about the Burt Reynolds thing is that Burt Reynolds wrote his uh memoir in 1994 that's when dolly parton's came out in his memoir he's like maybe me and dolly parton had a thing i'll never tell you but she wanted to fuck me and in dolly parton's memoir she writes i could never fuck burt reynolds he's like a brother to me we both wear wigs and high heels and it came out the same year like they already published when they both had to look at each other and be like few people know carl dean was the photographer on that burt reynolds uh bare skin nude photo so all right we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017, was murdered.

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And I also had it on the West Coast. So it's like, well, if you're going to be vitamin D deficient in Southern California, then I think that's just what the rest of your life is going to look like. I can't get it right here, but if you can't get it there, man. So maybe I'm getting some some rays from your star glow, the glow of your stars on this podcast right now. So I feel like the levels skyrocketing, but it's mixed. There's no answer on this where doc some doctors say that it does work studies also say that vitamin d pills don't work supplements i think might be a better way of saying that so i'm uh i'm i'm at a loss i might just take them and see if they work since

it's the same thing what about like ingesting them when like where they're naturally occurring as like nutrients oh but that sounds like more than I'm willing to. Okay. Well, as long as we ironed that part out. Where do we get vitamin D? I have iron. I'm sorry. Is that what you're asking?

No, no. Which one is? Oh, that's the sun one. Usually getting it from the sun. Yeah. Usually getting it from the sun. But you get it from like, I know it's always like dairy and like fatty fish and shit. You can get it because I remember when I went for dairy and like, like fatty fish and shit. You can get it.

Cause the, I remember when I went to the, for a checkup, like in the middle of lockdown, the doctor was like, I'm seeing this with everyone. And you normally aren't vitamin D deficient, but you need your, your levels are going down. Yeah. Okay. I'll just tell my doctor miles that I'm going to go get a fat fish. That sounds like great advice. Thank you.

Yeah, exactly. Dude. Come on my new food truck. Fat fish, dude. Fat fish. like great advice thank you yeah exactly dude come to my new food truck fat fish dude fat fish i'm trying to look on a genius because there there is that uh beyonce lyric he wants to give me the vitamin d i just want to find out where uh she's getting that from and then i can maybe offer a recommendation thank you to you thank you sean i will follow okay yeah yeah just reach out to uh this this guy sean

carter and ask him to give you the vitamin d and it seems like he'll uh hi i'm looking for a jigger man and i'm here for the vitamin d injection hey i'm the guy with the skin that's getting really pale and it makes me not healthy uh jay can i call you jay That's good. I can. Thank you for the rec. Call me Dr. D. Dr. D. Dr. D to you, my man. Why do you think, is it just not going outside? Not ever seeing the sunlight?

What's going on? Why are we so D deficient? That would vibe with my general, my outgoing persona that I don't go outside but i am quite i'm outside quite a lot so i don't know it's it's been happening for a couple years like literally i'll go hiking every single day for like an hour and a half and it's still it's still not happening for me so you are in full chain mail right yes of course yes yeah and during the summer that it heats up like the sunburn that i get is, I'll say, off-putting.

I'll say it's very upsetting. I look like a fish. I look like one of those fish that Miles recommends to everybody to eat. Fatty fish, dude. Fatty fish. Get it. Yeah, it can happen from not enough sunlight. Or maybe if you have too much melanin, you're not making as much vitamin D.

It can be a number of things. Maybe your body doesn't absorb it properly. I should figure this out. It manifests itself as, like, you become Mr. Glass from... You just shatter from Unbreakable. But emotionally, only emotionally. Like, anything that comes... I'm very emotionally fragile from this.

Yes. anything that comes out of it. I'm very emotionally fragile from this. What is something from your search history that is revealing about what you're up to? Just a lot of what's the deal with Substack? Is Substack transphobic?

Do you guys know what Substack is? It's a newsletter platform. It hasn't been around that long. It was supposed to be like this great new hope for journalists because it's like you can do your own thing you can make your own money and everyone including me is like yay newslettering that seems cool but then it turns out that they've been giving money to certain writers writers who tend to be white men who already have a platform and they're like no we're we it's private if people

want to talk about us giving them money they can but it's not up to us it's private um so they're doing that thing where they're saying that they're they don't have an editorial platform they're like this is an editorial this is just like the way that you get your newsletter out there but then they pay certain people to use the platform so i would argue that they do have an editorial point of view i mean and a lot of people have been so i have my newsletter on it and they're like paying people to say transphobic stuff i'm like well oh really companies are doing well essentially i mean if they're paying someone who says transphobic stuff then they're paying someone to say transphobic stuff right yeah yeah and not that

my newsletter makes this is not going to change my lifestyle if i don't have a newsletter for a while but it's just i i hate how everything like um what's that thing the milkshake duck like you can milkshake duck anything eventually everything's bad everything turns out to be evil what's milkshake duck yeah i don't know what you're talking about oh okay so it comes from this meme oh gosh now i'm not going to be able to explain it well but it comes from meme culture essentially where like you find out that something is or you think that something's really cool the framing of it yes yes the framing of it yeah where you see something and then you expand the image and you're like, wait, like this in this image, the milkshake's drinking a duck. Zoom out.

It has a swastika armband on its foot. And you're like, yeah. Yes, exactly. Oh, okay. So it's like, I mean, maybe and maybe that would happen to all of us. Maybe we should all get offline before we get milkshake ducked because none of us are perfect. So that's what I'm thinking about as a erstwhile member of the media these days all right now explain to me what is a meme yeah i'm just joking uh oh my god you almost got me there

hey what's chewbacca mask lady just this is what does that mean if i people explain memes to me yeah like when i remember when cropped it was describing tiktoks i think was one of my favorite ones it's like at this song where it's like oh no no no all right let's talk uh cerise about about the piece you are reporting for Knock LA. Is that, can you talk a little bit, first of all, about that publication and like how the piece came about? Yeah, definitely. So Knock LA is the journalism arm of a nonprofit here in LA called Ground Game. And they do organizing around voter registration.

They help people get the vaccine. They did some mutual aid at the beginning of the pandemic, and I believe that's still ongoing. So they're great. And they have this journalism outfit that is doing some really great work as far as independent media in the Los Angeles landscape. There isn't too much of that, so they're a great addition. I reached out to them with a list that I had got my hands on through some public records acts requests. And it's a list that the County of Los Angeles keeps of litigation that they've been involved in where deputy gangs have been involved and I went to knock and I said hey like this is um I think this list could turn into you know a pretty big project um and I'd love to work with you to use this to sort of create a history of what we know about deputy gangs in the

Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. And they said, yes, of course, let's get started. And they were really great with helping me, first of all, pay for everything. Although all of this stuff is public record, you do have to pay for it. And that adds up very quickly. This series cost over $3,000 to just research. They were really great with providing me with some research assistance to get through quite literally tens of thousands of pages of documents in the past six months. And they gave me a great home for the website. And they are helping me build a database of all of the law enforcement officials that we have identified that have an affiliate with a deputy gang, which will be available for the public to use. And it will be a living document

that we will be updating for years to come. That's awesome. So, I mean, I think a lot of people, they've heard us talk about deputy gangs before on this show. We've referenced it. We've talked about like anytime, maybe it becomes a slight news story and then vanishes pretty quickly. We like to touch on it, but can you kind of just walk us through the evolution of the, like the gangs within the sheriff's Department in L.A. County? Yeah, definitely. So the gangs in the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department have existed at least since the 1970s, starting with a gang called the Little Devils that was based out of the East Los Angeles station. There was a huge event in the 70s called the Chicano Moratorium, which I'm sure you've talked about on this show as well, which was a demonstration of about 25,000 people in East Los Angeles, a heavily Latinx area, demonstrating against the Vietnam War.

And this event, it's alleged that Little Devils were a part of a group of deputies that brutalized people at this demonstration. The photos from what happened that day are atrocious. A journalist was even killed by a deputy who shot a can of tear gas at him. His name was Ruben Salazar. So after that happened, an investigation was done, or well, I'll say investigation implications. We're doing quotes on that. Yeah. So a chief was asked to identify members of the Little Devils and a list was made. But that's all that really happened with that.

As far as we know, they were put on a list. And from that point, I mean, deputy gangs were pretty much allowed to flourish. I mean, deputy gangs were pretty much allowed to flourish. The sheriff at that time, Sherman Block, he said that he thought gang members probably got a kick out of deputies being in a gang and flashing gang signs at them. At that time, we know of at least, let's see, following the 1970s, we know of probably four gangs that were functioning between the 80s and the 90s. Those are the Wayside Whities in the Wayside Honor Rancho Jail, the Cavemen, which was sort of like a second generation of the Little Devils at the East Los Angeles Station. And there were the Linwood Vikings, which is probably the one we know the most about. Vikings, which is probably the one we know the most about. They were based in the Linwood station and they were identified as a white supremacist gang by a US federal judge. That didn't mean

they were exclusively white. They had several Latino and black members. Their Viking tattoos, they would change the horns to signify their ethnic identity. And they would just essentially go out and terrorize people. They would hold families at gunpoint and execute unauthorized searches. They chased people and shot them. They murdered people. One investigator that I spoke to, he believes that a deputy is responsible for the murder of a client of his that he represented in a class action suit against the sheriff's department in the Linwood station. That was called Darren Thomas versus Los Angeles. That case was settled in the 90s, but that's how we got a lot of information about the Vikings was

as a result of that case. And in terms of like gangs, right, we use the term gang we got a lot of information about the Vikings was as a result of that case. And in terms of like gangs, right, we use the term gang. And a lot of people, if you're thinking of a street gang, like they're involved in, you know, drugs or whatever other kind of racket, racketeering, whatever kind of activities. First, what are the activities of like a sheriff's deputy gang? Like what what are they like? What do we see them engage in that is sort of specific to these organized groups within the department? Yeah, I would say they function pretty much like a typical criminal street gang, the California Penal Code. There are a couple of signifiers that they look for to categorize something as a street gang, one of which is a common hand sign, common tattoo. We've got that engaged in you know crimes we've seen deputy gangs engage in you know drugs we've seen them engage in robberies we've seen them engage in

you know drive-by shooting right yes drive-by shootings assaults murders so you know rape pretty much anything that a criminal street gang does the deputy gang does they're just doing it in uniform right and using the authority of this state to justify the violence right yeah and then it seems like every time that they are uh somebody attempts to bring them to justice and the police force of the city tries to like deal with the gangs there's a pattern of it being so weak or so ineffectual the the penalties that the gangs almost seem entitled to do more and do worse like at least so far in your reporting uh the part that I'm up to, it just seems like it's a pattern of them doing something unbelievably

out in the open, brutal, racist. They get brought up on that and there's either a settlement, but there's never any criminal repercussions and then that seems

to make the gangs feel like, oh shit, we can, we can do this and more. Oh yeah. 100%. In terms of like you're saying, right,

we have to bring things into the light of day, right. To try and sanitize the situation. What are the current obstacles? I mean, aside from, you know, systemic white supremacy that allows these sort of structures to remain in place, what are the kinds of awareness that we can bring to the public to obviously create more public pressure or how do we, how, what is,

what is the way to remedy this based on what you've investigated? Yeah. Well, there are a lot of groups that have been involved in this work for a long time, much longer than I've been investigating it. One in particular that I would like to point people to is the Check the Sheriff Coalition. They work with the ACLU that has been monitoring deputy gangs for years. And they're organizing around a lot of things that could change these policies. Like one thing that I learned about that I didn't know about was the Peace Officers Bill of Rights, which is a law that exists in most states that gives law enforcement officers the right to know everything about a criminal investigation that they are the subject of. They get to meet with a union representative and a lawyer

and review all that before they talk to any investigators. The investigation has to be completed within a year or they cannot be charged. And that's the case in most states. So that's not specifically just a Los Angeles problem. That's something that's happening all over the country but yeah it seems like this this is a problem like when you read about reporting of corruption and nypd like there's all all sorts of it well it might not be like organized gangs with hand signals like that it seems like there's a very common problem there yeah i mean it's just

that it's impossible to bring them to criminal justice under the current system and that of course they're going to feel entitled to continue to i think the the, the first, your first report is called the protected class, um, which I think is fitting, right? Oh yeah. 100%. One, one other thing I'd, I'd want to mention is, um, when we're looking at LA specifically, um, about this, um, another reason why you won't see a lot of these deputies charged in these shootings, um, it goes back to the district attorney, right? The district attorney is the one who decides whether or not they'll be prosecuted. The district attorney and the sheriffs are now in the same union, I believe. So, you know, there's a really symbiotic relationship there. Oftentimes the police union, you know, they'll just straight up threaten the

district attorneys and they'll say, you know, like if you're going to prosecute our guys, like don't count on us to show up and testify when you have, you know, a high profile case, that type of thing. The union will really hold people hostage. So there are a lot of people involved in this. Right. Yeah. I mean, even over the summer, like when even the city council here was even mulling over defunding the police department or law enforcement, like the show of force to be like, hey, we, you know, a very like very seemingly innocent being like, hey, we're all here together. But when you see a group of people telling you, oh, man, like who's going to protect you, who's going to protect you and saying things like that to somebody who's possibly in a position to bring accountability? Like, yeah, you see that there's many things at work that's uh you know uh propping them up who's

gonna protect you from us uh right essentially for instance yeah the the salazar story was wild like uh that's kind of where your reporting starts and so he was a journalist who had been critical of law enforcement right and then he gets you know shot and killed by a crowd control device which is something we're still seeing to this day like uh maiming people yeah yeah that story was really hard for me to read because it's it's like kind of like looking in a mirror. Right. Like, yeah, doing the same stuff now I've been shot with less than lethal munitions by police. Yeah, it's the same things are happening today. day right it like the work that you're doing is so important and something that to me i would immediately begin to shy away from like you know just to be like the fear that i already have in innately of police but then for you like and the work that all people do activists around this i think is really impressive because yeah like there are examples of retaliation for those trying to bring them to account and like reading that on top of the history of how these gangs operate, it's really just seems like a like a like just a daunting task.

But one that, like you said, is absolutely necessary for people to become aware of it, because the more it just operates in secrecy, then it's just going to proliferate and flourish. And we'll the next thing you know, we're like, wow, how did this get here? Because we haven't brought the attention to it. So for that, like, yeah, very grateful for the work that you and many others do in that, in that space, because it helps us to sort of understand really what's at stake in the city. Thank you.

The story about them. I think it's a person in the community that they murdered and then that when that man's child is like a teenager they threaten the child basically to saying like we we have our eye on you like it's like they're generationally like cruel and uh retaliatory against just anyone who crosses them yeah i i was speaking to the family of um a family member of anthony vargas yesterday and that's a young man who was killed by the los angeles county sheriff's department um banditos gang in 2018. And she was telling me that, you know, the deputies will park outside of her house and talk to her nieces and nephews and threaten Anthony's older brother. So, you know, this, like I said, that story that you were talking about, Jack, that happened 30 years ago,

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a little Russian nesting doll of legislation in the COVID Relief Act last year that basically requires the government to just provide the receipts just bring it all out put it all on the table and the former director of national intelligence is saying that it it could be big which one which dni though uh it's it's your boy uh what's his name bad bad terrible i think trump trump guy he said john ratcliffe yeah ah boy already all right um but i was intrigued uh as i often am anytime somebody just gives me the barest crumb of a UFO kind of corroboration. But apparently there's going to be interagency like reports of like

communications between agencies. He's saying that's going to be significant because there are like what we have right now are like a single video where somebody is like, wow, would you look at that? But there's a lot of examples where these things are corroborated and the thing that's corroborated is doing something that isn't possible given current technology, like breaking the sound barrier without a sonic boom. multiple sightings that line up with one another from different independent sources is always the thing I look for. Anytime there's one of these. Is that those steel,

those steel plates they were finding? Is that what you're referencing? No, I don't. Those are all Tic Tac videos. Wait, what's the steel plates thing? Well,

so listen, I, I grew up in the Southwest, but my family landed in new mexico so whenever i see ufa ufo news it barely registers so i'm just like yeah you know um so so i'm gonna have to heavy be paraphrasing this but there were um like 10 foot no maybe it was longer than that they're huge steel plates found in like three different locations oh those oh those were uh art art projects the monoliths right yeah the monoliths here's the thing what is more impressive to you the idea that

a ufo would you know put different you know uh silver plates around the world or that art students had global travel access yeah yeah to take uh metal on the plane and set it up honestly i'm more impressed build local build local you'll save air flight airfare money if you don't have to bring the obelisk with you yeah the thing i i just west three check bags yeah right your first obelisk is free of the southwest everybody knows that uh the i mean i'm also curious like if this is meant to distract us from someisk is free of the southwest everybody knows that uh the i mean i'm also curious like if this is meant to distract us from some other epic failing of the government because i'm sure that'll be like oh shit man don't fucking these aliens and they're like yeah we

we've just passed uh bills uh voter suppression bills so severe that you won't believe that they came from joe biden well maybe you will i don don't know. Anyway, folks, UFOs, huh? Check that out over there. This is one of those examples where I think the government and the people inside the government are dumber than we give them credit for. And in this case, every time we... The more candid they become about what is going on with UFOs,

the more they're like, man, I really want to know this shit is crazy it's like wait what i thought you were supposed to be like in contact with the men in black who are like neuralizing us like you're but they're like yeah man i don't know what do you think what do you think it is i can't i can't tell this is like the most partisan measure you know someone was like do you think we could get the UFO info? And Republicans and Democrats were like, unanimous yes. Yes.

Right. Yeah, yeah. Please. I guess it really is going to be like Independence Day. It's going to take aliens pulling up for people to figure their shit out. Like, all right, fuck it. I guess now that these beings showed up, we are on the same team called humanity. That's one way it could go.

Yeah. on the same team called humanity that's that's one way it could go yeah or or we say or we say america buckle the fuck up because we all got guns over here and we're like do your worst aliens and in a fucking thanos snap all right let's uh let's talk a little self-care here i find myself doing this i think a lot of people are finding themselves uh not getting enough sleep procrastinating letting things kind of hang over your head and then just like sitting on your phone in bed for hours yeah but not knowing that's what's going on i think a lot of us know just close your eyes is this you have you been in the darkness in your bed and the only light is the cell phone which is glowing on your face and you're in bed being like why am i still on narco tiktok it's been three hours and i'm laying down and i what the fuck and you're just not going to sleep there

is a parent there is a word for this that was like a combination of two different studies but they've now they've called it revenge bedtime procrastination. The revenge part comes out of a Chinese study. So like the way they were labeling, it just sort of translates like that. But it makes sense by the way these experts are describing it. Revenge bedtime procrastination, they say, is common in people who feel they don't have control over their time, such as those in high stress occupations or parents and things like that and are looking for a way to regain some personal time even if it means staying up late because you're like fuck i don't have shit to do all day okay the one thing i will do is again i'll look at narco tiktok and that'll be how i'll go to sleep um and it says

when it quote when it comes to the evening they categorically refuse to go to bed early at a time they know will suit them best and enable them to get adequate restorative sleep and feel better. Nevertheless, there is a sense of retaliation against life. So there is an idea of revenge to stay awake and do whatever fills their bucket. And that's that is like the idea of filling your bucket. of filling your bucket actually i found myself uh staying up to watch movies more uh over the past like month and i do find myself like more refreshed and like having like having art like put into my brain is like actually energizes me more than uh just going to sleep an hour and a half earlier and not having that. I think sometimes.

So you're arguing on behalf of your revenge procrastination? I am. Yeah, I am. Wow. Okay. But then that might not be it for you. If you're actually saying when I wake up restored, then I don't think you're suffering in that sense. Yeah.

I just found myself like being very focused on like okay gotta get to sleep by this time uh and and then you know i started being a little bit more uh lax on that and just like making more of an effort to uh once my kids were in bed actually take the time to like watch something that was interesting to me or, you know, fill that bucket up a little bit. And I think it's been overall a good thing. I do have this eye twitch that you guys have probably noticed. And one of my ears is bleeding. Yeah.

And you've only been shaving half of your face. And I thought it was a style thing. And now I'm just sort of like. It's pretty cool actually. Yeah. The long side beard. Call me Two-Face. And I was like, alright, Jack. I think

the movie theory is working. The shave path is fully made up. Right. No, the thing they say is like, if you're a serial procrastinator, or like the things, the personality types it may affect, is like, you are a serial procrastinator. That's things the personality types it may affect is like you are a serial

procrastinator that's me for sure or you have issues with self-regulation which they say like are you know you have traits such as like impulsivity or being easily distracted so if you haven't had the time to process all of your emotions throughout the day you really just may be using the end of the day to do that. And that sets off this thing of like, I actually just need to have time to like process a lot of shit, but it's manifesting in the form of like just scrolling or whatever it is we do at the very end of the day that keeps us up for ever. Yeah. I mean,

what do we do? This is, this is kind of tangential, but rather the movie thing I've been lately, I've been pretty, I'm knocking on wood here. Lately, I've been pretty good about going to bed at a reasonable time but i've definitely had phases like what

you're talking about but i found that for a long time um during the pandemic especially i would just like i was saying i watched gavin and stacy three times through is like i would just watch like the same shows over and over again like i'd watch queer eye again and you know it's great i love it but i have found that when i watch like a screener instead and take in something new i feel like i sleep better yeah yeah oh right then kind of just looking at the same wallpaper again yeah yeah like something about you i guess it maybe it uses your brain a little more to have to take in the new information rather than the old right but just like jar something

loose or something yeah something like that yeah i love the my favorite aspect of this study is the idea of like one part of your personality taking revenge on another part of your personality because i think that's yeah i mean that's so true true. Sounds like an M. Night Shyamalan movie. Yeah, but it's also like, there is a lot of psychological research that, you know, says it is helpful to just think of yourself as having multiple people inside of you. And they're not obviously like, it's not like this one is named Jane and she is the one who smokes,

but like just, you know, the... Wait, no, I want to do this. Tell me more about this. Maybe this will help me deal with my anxiety so there's like anxious charlie and then there's just like not anxious charlie well first you got to shave half your face charlie right exactly and then which side do you want you want anxious charlie or happy normal charlie yeah i i've read it in the context of like addiction and you know people who are making decisions in the short term that they know are like harmful to the later version of themselves. And there's that ends up almost like branching off into two different versions of the self.

But and then, yes, you do have to like make one half of your face one of those people. Just let people know you literally contain multitudes and wear the most mismatched outfits. Yeah, half a button down and half a tank top. Whoa, Yankee hat, Red Sox shirt? Who is this guy? Are you LeBron James? Yeah. Oh, wow.

Good point. Yeah. Oh, wow. Good point. But a lot of the experts are saying, you know, one of the best things in general, sleep procrastinator or whatever, you have 20 minutes to do any real shit. Get that done. The next 20 minutes for hygiene. So they say such as a hot bath, just something to relax you, just kind of probably bring your attention to your body again on some level. And then the final 20 minutes are for relaxation. So meditation, prayer, journaling, you know, whatever that is. Do something like that just to kind of

bring your your energetic level down and be a little more inward i def i can't agree more with the hot shower bath thing that's like my go-to um because it's just it whenever i've you know back when you used to travel for work and you'd be in a unfamiliar hotel room or something i had trouble sleeping and then you're thinking like shit i gotta be up in like six hours to do this other fire and then you and did they really wash these sheets right and then you're like fuck it i'm sucking on them anyway um but then you take a hot shower just to really get that just to really settle your body down and then getting in bed makes it so much easier for me to sleep so oh nice it's also like a bath cultures like like in japan turkey finland like those kind of places like baths at the end of the day are very normal and i think there's another

like inbuilt way to begin your relaxation i really like this everything about this that especially like i do feel like the first the part that i when i'm thinking about like things like self-care routines I often will leave out the the first step which is take care of the things that are going to be like hanging over your head that is gonna like take up so much energy uh and you're gonna like let it you're just gonna give so much energy to like that task whereas you could just like knock it out it's like an email that you'll knock out in five minutes and also like limiting that to 20 minutes so you have 20 minutes get that shit done and forget about it uh that's the part that i always forget and then just let these like

things that are hanging over my head you wake up being like fuck i did should i write that email right now it'd be weird if i write it at 2 30 in the morning i'll wait and then you wake up being like, fuck, should I write that email right now? It'd be weird if I write it at 2.30 in the morning. I'll wait. And then you're like, ah, damn. But it's like the day's already started. And it seemed like we had the first thing on my mind. But yeah, you got it. I've been having with sleep all the time is like waking up really early, like 5.30 in the morning and being like, fuck.

And then being like, I'm not going to be able to fall back asleep. Should I just get up? And I'll be like, I'll think five minutes has gone by, and then I'll look at the clock, and it's like nine, and I had fallen back asleep and didn't know it. Right, right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah.

Getting the shit done is key, though. You know, a tip to anybody, when you have shit that you have to do, just write it. I'm not joking. It's the most, like, fucking overused tip, but write it down on a list. The act of crossing something off, even as simple as being like, write that email. It will lift a tremendous weight off of your subconscious.

If you know, even if the physical act of being like, yep, I did that. You know what I mean? And then you can make it easy. You got three things. Like if you're doing this 20 minutes, like even just write out those three things that are on your mind that you know you i mean and and then you can make it easy you got three things like if you're doing these 20 minutes like even just write out those three things that are on your mind that you know you have to get done just do it and go boom yeah it's so much it's powerful baby yeah get you a post-it note my to-do list will have these like uh i if i let them if i don't like think about it they'll have like these very vague, huge things that I need to get done on them.

Change life. Exactly. Address relationship with... With father. Just cross her off. Okay. Figuring that I'll probably knock that out tomorrow. A different version of me will knock that out tomorrow.

Have reckoning with childhood trauma of divorce as it relates to current problems with commitment. Knock that out in 20 minutes at the end of the night. There you go. All right. And reckon. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist please like and review the show if you like the show uh means the world to miles he he needs your validation folks

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