The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 170 (Best of 4/5/21-4/9/21)

Episode Date: April 11, 2021

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laugh laugh extravaganza. So, without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. So please help me. Please help me introduce our guest today, the wonderful, hilarious, talented, brilliant

Zara Norbach! Up on the mic! Here I come, up on the mic! Hey, hey. Good morning. Good morning. Good afternoon.

And if I don't see you later, good night. Or whatever they said in Truman Show. Oh, I miss the 90s. Yeah. All the time. Y'all watch a 90s movie lately? It's different. Yeah.

It hits weird. What did I watch recently oh i watched volcano oh shit is that what tommy lee jones they have to they have to blow up the beverly center to reroute the magma off of la cienega yes it was fantastic and so accurate i know right if we're gonna keep suggesting 90s movies with volcanoes. Is it George versus the volcano? Joe versus the volcano. Joe. Tom Hanks. Joe versus volcano.

Listen, it's the wildest movie you will ever watch. Somehow, it is irreverent. It breaks all the rules of logic, and yet you're still like, damn it. That's such a cute little movie. I love it. Check out all the volcano movies from the 90s. Oh, my God. We were talking about.

Dante's Peak. Oh, yeah. Dante's Peak. Oh yeah, Dante's Peak. Yes, yes. That's Pierce Brosnan. Yes. And Dante's Peak. And Linda Hamilton. Yeah, damn.

Tour de Force. That's a good fucking, that's a peak, peak packed cast. But I feel like there was a thing where I remember scientists were debating if Dante's Peak peak or volcano was the better one and they're saying well because they are saying that like at the labrea tar pits by virtue of that i will have to give the edge to volcano that's what did it okay that's awesome or maybe that was something my sequel to volcano uh i don't know too uh too valk too furious volcano i don't know. Too Valk, Too Furious? Volcano? I don't know.

Too Valk, Too Furious. It says Volcano Fire on the Mountain, and I'm not sure if that's a more full title for the original or a follow-up sequel. Oh, that has to be. Is it Tommy Lee Jones? Because if it isn't, you know that's one of them janky, they're like, hey, we still own the IP, so we can technically use it. I'm so mad that I missed the six-minute rant on missing movie theaters. Because you know what else I miss about the trickle-down of movie theaters in our lives is tour de force. Yeah, a tour de force.

Like seeing reviews. Remember, reviews would flash across the screen and be like, tour de force. A tour de force. A tour de force. Ugh. And then if you did a parody, they'd say a tour de farce of epic proportions. And you're like, I am seeing Hot Shots Part Deux, I guess. I miss that deep voice narrator describing everything I was seeing. In a lab. Yeah.

Far away. Oh, God. That guy got you amped for a movie, and now he's gone. I know. Give that man his job back. Well, that guy, like, he does, like, drops for the radio, though, too. You know what I mean? Okay, but who's listening to the radio?

The children listen to, you know, YouTubers and podcasts. Like, in Bodega Boys, they got one of the announcer guys to say, you know, the most dangerous podcast in the universe. Do the drop. Like drop like is i think one of those og announcer guys so anyway you know what the daily zeitgeist needs a trailer like a like a we have not done our part like a proper thriller trailer we're a diffuse group you know like we can't you know when you do that we're just a movement you know what i mean a bowel movement if you will of podcast proportions zara how is everything how you doing what's new how you living you all right oh wow so

let's see in the last month i almost died no for real yeah oh if i can ask so sorry to hear that i had to have um thank you me too yeah had, you know when sometimes you surprise yourself and it's like, oh, hey, oh, I still like life. Oh my God. Oh shit. What about that? I had FOMO.

The ultimate FOMO. Right? The ultimate FOMO. Tour de Force. Mortality. The ultimate FOMO. Great movie. Great. Unless you believe in reincarnation in which case you know fucking yo infinity here i come back as a mushroom there you go processing

nuclear waste so you're good i'm good i had uh i had to have emergency surgery on my gallbladder. Oh, my God. That's a lot. Yeah. I'm so thankful to my body and my nerves for feeling that pain and not trying to ride it out. Uh-huh. Because, yeah, they said that if I had waited a day, I would have died. Oh, my gosh, Zara. Wow. And I straight up, like I had learned this trick to sort of like move gallstones out of the duct

and ease the pain. And I was feeling like not that, you know, I was feeling better. And so I wondered for a second, like, should I go in? Right. And I did.

And I'm so grateful. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Let me listen to all of you. And unfortunately, like, that's another reason why it's so important that people have health care. Because there is a entire. I was on that insurance plan, too, called.

Do I really got to go, though? Right. You know what i mean and that's and to hear that you were within hours of a completely opposite outcome i think more than anything like we have that's what these are these are like the kinds of situations in which you don't want a person to have to consider if when they feel physically ill that they can't get help so i'm so glad that you on the other side of that. So yes. Okay, well, shit, eventful.

And has that given you a renewed sense of vigor that I'm sure only something as intense like that could? Oh, yeah, because they took out my gallbladder and now I can have fats again and I'm cheesing it up. Yes. Oh, shit. Oh, okay. A whole new world. There we go.

Oh, my God. I'm coming through with a brick of cheddar later on. You know what I mean? Oh, shit. Oh, okay. A whole new world. There we go. Oh, my God. I'm coming through with a brick of cheddar later on. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Well, okay. So glad we got that out of the way. Glad to know you're having cheese, you're living your best life now, and your FOMO is gone, and we can look on to bigger things. What is something you think is overrated?

What is something you think is overrated? Those mirrors that you can see like every stupid little pore on your stupid little face. I don't think that those are necessary. Who made that? Oh, like the ones like it's like one mirror on one side and then you could flip it and it's like surprise, motherfucker. It's like. Exactly. Yeah, I don't like that shit.

It makes me... Oh, my God. I think it encourages another level of self-superficial analysis. Oh, yeah. I'll try to keep it neutral for the moment. And then, yes, from there, you can be like, what the fuck? Why is my pore so big? I could dunk my Milano cookies in my pores if I wanted to.

Yeah. my nose is an adventure there's there's a lot going on there that i had no idea and it's yeah and i guess you know it's interesting we don't get to see ourselves that close yeah but maybe it's for a reason you know yeah yeah that mirror specifically is you know and almost mirrors in general but you know yeah yeah that mirror specifically is you know and almost mirrors in general but you know some mirrors are great for decor and like magic tricks and stuff but yes that's the only reason i have mine yeah it's who's it look if you're a you know esthetician or a dermatologist do we need that much fucking zoom on the mirror i don't it can just i'm good enough just seeing what maybe they should have those yeah if you want if you're doing extractions or whatever

and you're doing a facial then like yeah toss on the loop or whatever so you can get in there but i don't i damn sure don't need that level of clarity on my own face yeah i don't need it yeah it's it's helpful for contouring i've found right um yeah and i your contour looks great yeah but thank you oh what about the blending by the neck it's just what about the blending miles that's what i just said it does it it defeats the purpose if you're not blending properly jack yeah okay and we're doing a turtleneck see that's the cheap move because we see it it gets all over your white turtlenecks. That's the thing.

My masks. You always know it's my mask. Here's Jack's mask because he still thinks he's that shade of Fenty that he is not. Yeah. All right, let's talk about ketchup. Thank God. Finally. Am I right?

Mm-hmm. We are experiencing a nationwide ketchup shortage uh which you know it makes sense i felt like it was only a matter of time because they're in my opinion there's only one good brand of ketchup and you know that that creates a uh uh i'm gonna go ahead and say a bottleneck. Oh, wow. Where you should have tapped the 57 then. Yeah, I guess America should have tapped the 57. But yeah.

So what why how is the pandemic causing? There's so many like it's all the band. OK, so first of all, when sit-down restaurants essentially became takeout restaurants, that just made individual ketchup packets the go-to condiment that you were sending people off with. Second, because of the precautions, even if you had some form of dining, they were saying, you know, let's avoid having shared condiment bottles on tables just to keep everything as sanitary as possible.

Give people packets. Don't allow them to put their fork or knife or whatever in a ketchup bottle and then leave that for the next customer. And to keep going. Hygiene is robbing us of ketchup. So there are other things. Because of this, packet prices have gone up 13% because the demand is so high. The demand for packets was already up by 40% in July of last year, and it's only been trending upward.

And a lot of restaurants have been not doing well because like you're saying, Jack, Kraft Heinz is the best ketchup that we got. And a lot of this research like this research firm was saying, because of that, Heinz holds nearly 70% of the market for like the ketchup market because it's just acknowledged of that. And because of its large share,

that's what's fucking up like the entire condiment sort of industry when it comes to ketchup because they're the biggest one. And they're now like Heinz is full on create like in an emergency mode creating like

additional manufacturing lines to help keep up with demand because at the end of the day what this all means is nobody likes hunts ketchup right yeah it just doesn't have that tang so you're saying that i am sitting on a gold mine in my kitchen drawer yeah oh yeah yeah this is exactly what my korean mother-in-law has been preparing us for for decades right this is the big one folks it's like breaking glass and pulling a lever they call me bad but this it sounds very similar to what uh caused the toilet paper shortage is that it's pretty much the same type of the same level of consumption is taking place. It's just different delivery mechanisms and delivery manufacturing chains.

manufacturing chains. So like the toilet paper that was in public places that were no longer open or public restrooms that people were no longer using. All that toilet paper was no longer necessary and everybody needed the take-home kind.

And this is just basically that for ketchup. You need the take-home kind and not the public consumption kind. Yeah. but if you were a g you were out there stealing toilet paper from public restrooms right i mean yeah you know or if you if you're smart you're taking handfuls at the burger stand getting ready oh yeah but it's funny because yeah right well that's the other thing is that like a lot of companies have shifted to just like trying to buy it like just boxes of it and then putting them in smaller containers to still be able to give because it people a lot of these restaurants

like there are a few interviews like bar like sports bar tavern type places whose main you know dishes fries and burgers yeah they're like and like this one owner was like there's no way i could have sent anything but heinz out with the food like i just in the in for the years that this place has been open it's always been heinz and like it was just funny also reading how like restauranteurs were like having this ideological thing of like i'm not gonna like give people annies or some other weird shit it's gotta be spit on the burger right yeah people are totally fine with is pepsi okay right right oh man i've come to i i'm at the point now where i will just get a regular pepsi over if they ask me if diet pepsi is okay that's how much i don't like diet pepsi it's so much worse than diet coke i will give myself diabetes uh over drinking diet pepsi i mean yeah well look teach their own i still like caffeine

free diet pepsi the gold can yeah that's the best i love that flavor our lunch is not like he always drank that was like it's called brown water like she hated the fact that she had to drink it the gold can though it was like a flex to me. Oh, yeah? Shout out Nana McMahon. You know, my friends, my homie's grandmother who always had that in the refrigerator. I'd be like,

yo, this shit is poppin', bro. I never had it in the gold can. But all NutraSweet. What is something you think is underrated? I think even though people talk about it, they don't talk about it enough.

I think the show Golden Girls is truly one of the greatest sitcoms in the history of television. And I think, honestly, it's kind of like it has a special place in my heart because I always watched it with my grandma growing up. And I watched it with my mom. And I still watch it with my mom. And it's kind of just like one of those shows you watch if you have like, it's like a show I would watch like when the pandemic first hit

and I was anxious as shit. And it's like, it just makes you feel good. It's just like home cooked food, but it's really fucking funny. And it was very ahead of its time and only had seven seasons, but it became like a legendary ass show. But because it's about like

four old white women i think people now kind of like dismiss it but if they actually gave it a chance they say oh it was pretty woke for its time like they still you know they still have their little like you know moments where you're like ah okay we're we're luckily as a society way past that but like it's a really funny show and if you're listening out there and if you're talking shit about that show shame on you watch the show watch the show and then contact me and say thank you peter because this show is fantastic say it to my face if you're out there talking shit about golden girls come say oh you want to say something about fucking estelle getty yeah mitchell herwitz the creator of arrested development i think that was one of his first

writing gigs uh was golden girls like there's oh really just incredible pedigree in that writer's room and you can it you can see it on the screen yeah absolutely it's one of those for for real like i definitely i it was a show i my grandmother would have on and i would watch it and i always thought it was funny because i just always i loved uh sofia uh like just from being just like her vibe always that was like my favorite golden girl character but i always it probably wasn't until i think i stopped watching like high school and i never came back but because i always had good memories when like this sort of second third wave of like golden girls fandom that's sort of just been on the internet pretty consistently i've always looked

at him like oh yeah fucking golden girls is the shit but you know like when i think of it now most people looking at it through adult eyes i probably need to do that again because i did as a you know you know a kid or younger person liked it, but yeah, give it a adult eye viewing now. No, as a kid, it didn't really strike me that it was a good show.

I just watched it with. Yeah. I had good associations with it. Yeah. But it was really like just being a fan of comedy now and as doll. And I look back like, man,

these are really, this is really funny. Like these characters are very well defined. They're very flawed but you love them and the jokes are just very good and it was ahead of its time like really especially dealing with like for the most part again they have their sort of blind spots but for the most part dealing with issues of like like lgbtq and you, like at the time, like immigration and like sort of like certain conservative values and stuff

like that. They did a really good job. Uh, I feel like for the time, just like setting good precedent, right. Yeah. Sort of like social reforms and whatnot.

And it's just funny as fuck. And back in the days when you did sitcoms, it wasn't enough that you were funny or you did other, like you had to be a really solid performer. And, you know, it was really different back then. Like all of them have very well-defined stage careers and television careers. And like we're our true like quote-unquote thespians of the game. So it's like it really is like like performance television performance at the highest level. I think it too nerdy with this shit,

but like, you know what I mean? Like it's good sitcom acting is it's difficult too, because a lot of the times the writers weren't writing for the actors. Like there was a script and they're like, you need to turn this up. Whereas like in listening to the office deep dive podcast and one of the first episodes greg daniels on the showrunners talks about how they were for the first

time doing something different than traditional sitcom writing whereas like they tried to know the performer and start writing the character to tailor the performer which was different for before was like you got to pull up with your skills and i think yeah when this kind of sitcom acting like they truly took these good solid writing even though it wasn't tailored to them but having to take that and make it seem like it was i think yeah it's a true art form yeah yeah it's crazy uh give me blanche devereaux over samantha from sex in the city in terms of uh sex positive characters from my childhood. Blanche was the shit. Oh, definitely. Blanche

is like, what's great about her is like as shallow and like as she seems she's always like she aggressively defends her friends like when she has to. And I mean like they're all really flawed

but all have very very important key aspects of their character that you fall in love with that like you're like so it's like it's just and that's like you said that's really from the writing and the performing and uh you just kind of don't see that shit no more it just yeah yeah it's weird that like the shows that i watched as a kid like comedy holds up better than the drama maybe it's just because tv dramas have like progressed more uh but like you know matlock and murder she wrote those sorts of shows that i kind of associate with golden girls in terms of being on around the same time and being shows I would watch at my grandparents' house and shit. The Golden Girls holds up really well,

whereas Matlock, I kind of regret my full back Matlock tattoo. Yeah, well. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, back on lock with the Matlock tattoo. You have a full Matlock, and it's really detailed, right? Full body, yeah.

You can kind of get an idea of the entire arc of the series based on the different short sections of the tattoo. Yeah, and it is nude. It's nude of Matlock. And I heard it cost like $13,000. Oh, yeah. It starts from underneath his shoulder blades to the bottom of his butt cheeks i mean you don't want to fuck around with something like that yeah man it looks like a

weird yakuza tattoo jack this sounds like the worst idea i've ever heard in my life he's still and uh yeah still dealing with huh he's still paying for it but no but um uh no i agree with you though man. Like definitely the old school like dramas, now they're like, oh, this is lame. These characters act like cartoon characters. But like comedy, that's what's dope about comedy. It's like it's kind of universal.

And if it's done right, it's kind of timeless. Like I Love Lucy is still really, really funny. And, you know, again, like it's done such a long time ago, so there's aspects of it you look back and it's a little cringy, but the other aspects, man, this shit is still funny. Yeah, yeah. Because when you look at movies from the 80s, a lot of the comedies don't hold up that well, a lot of the comedies don't hold up that well but you know dramas and like back to the i guess back to the future is uh a comedic dramedy i think we call back to it uh you know the greatest film of

all time of all time yeah yeah i guess like like okay like do you mean like let's say a film like ferris bueller's day off is that like a pure comedy? My point sucks is what I'm realizing now. No, no. I'm going to just back away from that real quick. I also immediately mentioned

considered iconic 80s comedy. There's a lot of comedies from that time. I don't know. There's one with Rod comedies from that time like i don't know this is one with rodney dangerfield that i liked when i was a kid and i saw a part of it again like i don't know like five years ago yes and i was like this fucking sucks and it's just like it was like they were like how do we make the dumbest most like offensive bullshit with every bullshit joke in it right and and then i like a

dumbass i was like probably like 10 years old and i thought man this shit is hilarious this is so good this is so well made they really did like they really love the fuck out of like rodney dangerfield yeah man you know like moment remember when they fucking made that movie rover dangerfield they just said what if our man was a fucking dog and it's a cartoon now like that was it i remember being so confused as a kid when that movie came out i'm like dude i don't what this is a dog that's doing stand-up hey man i don't the guy gets no respects yeah i mean it's crazy back then you just needed this like like i mean you need a comedy had to have a shtick i guess

and he's like hey yeah that's just weird like these days if you do yeah these days if you do that shit people like man get this fucking guy off stage weirdo wannabe rodney dangerfield looking ass uh i heard that dude was like i mean again i i don't know like how true this is but i heard like he was like a really shitty dude and like towards the end of his life when he wasn't doing comedy as much like had some like financial scheme where he like schemed a bunch of like old retired people out of their money or something like again like i i heard this i forgot what source i heard this from but i have heard from multiple sources the dude was like a shitty dude but like yeah someone who constantly goes around screaming about how they get no respect i'm not surprised at all why they don't get any respect right that's the case

yeah but um i mean i don't know who knows i mean that's a whole that's part of the life cycle of being a celebrity who old people like is you know like tom selleck now does all those like scam shits uh you know wilford oh he's like i trust him and i think you came exactly i'm like shut up that's just being an american who old people like. I'm telling these old people to give their home to the bank in this commercial. Yeah. Oh, for the, yeah, for those reverse mortgages? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. I trust them. It's also like, shut up, Tom. Your ass don't have no reverse mortgage. You don't need a reverse mortgage. Get the fuck out of here. You do Blue Bloods. I don't know if that show's still on, but.

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you get your podcasts and don't worry we promise to avoid any black holes most of the time and we're back and uh new mexico has ended qualified Yeah, it's you'd love to see it. Like literally, this is these are the steps we need to take to have some kind of equitable society in which police officers and any government employee can not just violate your rights and then hide behind this statute of qualified immunity to avoid any kind of civil prosecution. So you don't know what it is, this is basically the doctrine that shields police officers, government officials from ever being personally held responsible for all kinds of malfeasance. And it makes it, it's so hard for someone to bring a lawsuit against a police officer. We'll just talk specifically in the instances of police brutality because not only do you have to like there requires so many levels for this suit to go through to overcome

the qualified immunity thing essentially that you would have to require proof that this officer clearly violated established law and it there's a lot of nuance in there that allows for many suits to just fucking end right there so like let's say a police officer illegally searches your shit like you're jay-z and 99 problems you'll say that you know that's a violation of your fourth amendment civil liberties you know like that's you can't do that but the police will then argue in court that it's actually more nuanced and that this isn't as straightforward um as a as like a comparable case um as a way to allow the judge to fucking toss the whole fucking thing because the first it's just the whole process

is fucked up first you have to prove that an officer violated a specific right and then you have to prove that they knew they were violating a specific right. So shouldn't they know that they were like, isn't this in the training manual? Well, so this is where it comes out. So it could be that like a specific use of force was settled in a court case. And you say, oh, that's how you know you can't do that because they lost this case, which says specifically that's what it is. If you can't find a case that mirrors what happened to you exactly, they will not. They'll say like, oh, well, that that hasn't been established as a transgression of your rights.

So that's that's always like the rules are made because somebody broke the system and then they had to put the rule in. Right. Only until after the damage is done. Because you could be like, oh, my God. Well, you saw in this thing, the person was brutalized with excessive use of a taser or something. And because you were you were getting fucked up with a pepper ball gun or some shit they're like oh well that's not the same thing so you they actually you can't prove that it's established law at this point so this allows for police to regularly violate our civil rights also allows for a lot

of wrongful convictions because a lot of these things happen in the course of police violating your rights. So removing this immunity allows for civil suits to go forward where the fucking police officer is personally liable for their actions personally. you could we like this helps for people to fuck around and then find out what that means because normally this qualified immunity just allowed people to keep banging with their fucking uh terrible behavior okay now end police officers yeah step one scare them away you know because like i don't have money to keep violating these people and then they're gonna sue me but it's only two states right now colorado and new mexico so shout out to governor michelle luhan grisham grisham for signing that it feels like one of like a dozen social institutions that protect them like including the fact that they are just like where they're positioned like culturally uh all all the fucking copaganda that we're faced with on a daily basis. And,

um, and then you have the thing that we kind of made reference to earlier in the week with police. When something like this happens, like I I'm going to like set a reminder to continue to Google New Mexico police to see if the same thing happens there that we've seen in la where the police then become petulant and stop doing their job and are like well you guys were mad at us so now we're not going to do the thing that we're paid to do like that but that's that's the thing is that they

don't even have they don't have an obligation to act right to stop crime right so it's like they've had a history of being allowed to do whatever the fuck they want with this qualified immunity uh while never having to have the responsibility to stop or help right yeah and if you want to sue me good fucking luck because i've got you're actually actually you're gonna pay for it with your tax dollars so you know rock on with your lawsuits but yeah this a, it's only two states now that have this or some form of reducing the qualified immunity. And this now it's not just police officers. It can be, you could be a school administrator. You can be a city official. You

can be a corrections officer. Was it, was qualified immunity covering those people? Yeah. It covers usually all government people, like all government officials, like it would protect some form yeah if they were violating you that you you couldn't come at them with a civil lawsuit based on them you know uh violating your rights yeah there was just talking about like how what the standing for this sort of thing is in the rest of the country there was a article on the front page of the wall street journal uh yesterday about how like there's a backlash to uh this sort of thing in philly and they just like

made it sound completely hopeless they they not in not according to them according to them this is like these sorts of things are unreasonable but it really fucking felt like a kick, kick in the gut. What was the, what was the backlash? Was it just like they're not legislative or was it, they're not backing a, a DA,

I think who has been critical of the institutional racism within the law enforcement community. And they're, yeah, it's just, you know, this, this, what a way to, what a way to prove them wrong right exactly yeah because i mean he was in krasner was you know he was coming in on some different shit from the beginning right um into philly so like he's always been uh showing himself to be willing to be like i'm not here to fucking cape for police the fuck you're

talking about right and because he's not that causes you problems because most of the time the da is like you're the best friend who's like yeah don't worry do whatever the fuck you want right exactly i've seen i've seen law and order i know what you're talking about exactly we all seen it we get it all right um let's talk really quick about something else that's going to be also frustrating which is uh anti-vaxxers. Oh, my God. Whenever I hear the word vaccine, you know, my hair stand up on my neck because I always brace myself to hear some ridiculous pseudoscientific take. And at first, you know, it was the whole thing was like, well, they cause autism.

And then you say, I don't know. Are you aware that the study that you all point to was written by someone who was developing a vaccine that was competing with the established ones? And that was meant to do that. So he could be like, well, I got this other one that doesn't. And then the the journal, the medical journal that published it had to retract it and almost set themselves the building on fire. Like, yo, we fucked up published. We're so sorry. We should have never done that shit.

That shit is bullshit. So sorry. This is not real. Do not refer to this as any something of any legitimate research. And then, you know, pivoted away from that. Now it's words like vaccine injury. And what, you know, like a lot of the times there's a lot of anecdotal evidence like, well, we don't have vaccines or I don't use science like medicine and I'm fine. I'm using this, that, and the other thing. And I'm okay. You know, without for a second questioning whether or not they might just be genetically at an advantage rather than them sort of being like, no, actually I'm so galaxy brained that

I figured out how to sidestep accepted science to be healthy. Can you know, even though it's all shit that you cooked up on the internet? Okay. Can you know, even though it's all shit that you cooked up on the Internet? OK, well, now we have covid vaccines and the grifters or believers. I don't know. Sometimes it's hard to tell when someone's making money off of anti-vaxxer. I'm like, that's you're just taking advantage of people who are very gullible. And the CBC has exposed this one woman, Sherry, Sherry Tenpennyny not that they've exposed her she's a very out there anti-vaxxer and osteopath but now has a six-week digital boot camp where it's called mastering vaccine info and uh for 623 dollars what a price i don't know where the fuck i don't know if that's like some numerology shit i was gonna say why six two i don't know i have's like some numerology shit. I was going to say, why 623?

I don't know. I have no clue. You can basically learn with this money, with this information, you will learn how to engage in the fight to put immunocompromised communities at risk. Right. So this is some of the things that they were saying, like of like what the, you know, the vibe is of this boot camp. She says, quote, you're in our choir uh it's those who are on the fence who need to hear the message my job is to teach the 400 of you in the class so each of you can go out and teach 1000 people huh and i want you to practice these these tactics

in front of a mirror uh these are all like take an acting class and just adapt it for anti-vaxxers oh yeah and then she also says my job and your job and everybody else who does this their job is to sow seeds we're going to build an entire army to stand up and say not only no but hell no what is their obsession with the army listen Listen, one, we don't need neither a prayer army nor an anti-vaxxer army to come and tell us how to live our lives healthily. That's why we have doctors and scientists. They're there doing all the work. I mean, she does believe, though, that COVID can be fought with vitamins and vibes. Good vibes.

Yeah. While her husband is also part of the boot camp, he's basically, on what they're talking about, using straight up pickup artist tactics of neuro-linguistic programming to, I guess, neg someone

into being anti-vax. This is what her husband says. It's a cult, folks! Quote, understanding the subjective human experience and how each individual stores their version of information is key to unlocking their mind and building trust and successfully affecting change with them.

So then he goes off. He's like encouraging the students to recognize what type of persuasion tactic is going to be the most effective based on the person they're talking to. Now, look, I've anyone who's done organizing. You learn some level on how to create common ground or at the very least how to bridge gaps with other communities. Yeah, you start by saying, I hear you. Yeah. Uh-huh. I respect you.

I don't have a plan, though. I'm joking. I'm afraid. Thank you. I'm scared. I got to go. And I'm afraid what Mitch McConnell will do. Yeah.

So, no. So, in a way, I'm like, okay, okay there's that level but not to this point so he basically will slot the people that they would be speaking to into four categories and then present strategies for each and like they they have a workbook where it's like the weirdest back and forth skit where like a person's like you're not really telling me enough information they're like yeah well what else do you need to see and it's like what went wrong here were they using the wrong model is the cover of the workbook a pyramid yeah actually why oh i just i was looking for books to color while somebody unlocked my brain in a multi-level way yeah multi-level multi-tiered way what's wild is i specifically wrote down that I wanted to give them six hundred twenty three dollars.

It's like they knew. Now, all this is like, look, I understand people being skeptical, but white Americans that are anti-vax don't realize just how bad their privilege has duped them into thinking they don't need medicine. has duped them into thinking they don't need medicine. Like, off the rip. White Americans enjoy the benefits of medical and scientific advancements in a way other demographics do not. Look at the life expectancy. It's not because we're built different, we die sooner. It's because there's an utter lack of resources being put into those communities.

Yes, look at Tuskegee. Right. sources being put into those communities yes look at tuskegee right i mean you look at tuskegee but you can also look at like just the like even beyond like financial or or access to you have an entire community that has been taught for years to disregard the actual pain of their some of their patients because of the color of their skin. Right. Or because of what's between their legs. Like, the way women's pain is just brushed off as not being important or as them overreacting. I read about a woman who died of endometriosis complaining about pain for years, years. And they were like, oh, it's period pain.

You just got to get through that. That's all it is it a racist doctor nearly killed my brother yeah when my brother was 15 he had pain in his hip my mom's a x-ray technician and an ultrasound sonographer she took him into the doctor and he said you know what i know your people you treat your sons like princes. He cries because he's spoiled. Shit. That's what he said. And my mom had to take him to the ER, the children's hospital ER to get him the necessary tests. Everybody,

including specialists said, which they had to pay out of pocket for said he needs care immediately. And this doctor said, why'd you go over my head and made my parents wait outside in the parking lot with a security guard i'm really sorry that happened to your family that's extremely scary i went through a similar thing where i was nearly paralyzed because i had a herniated disc in my spine and they even after an mri which showed the herniation they were like oh a cortisone shot is all you need.

Luckily, I had a nurse practitioner who came in, asked me a bunch of questions. She's like, I think you need surgery now. She hadn't touched me. She just asked me a couple questions. I think you need to go to surgery now. And they're like, oh, yeah, if we had given you that cortisone shot, you'd have been paralyzed. If we had waited a day longer, you'd have been paralyzed. It is absolutely insane trying to, to like get medical help in this stupid

country it's so frustrating and for people to then go and be like i'm just going to not get a shot that is often just required for you to exist in society for very obvious reasons like go read about any of like polio the play like just how it inhibited so many actually you're actually you're a shill for big pharma actually that's the thing you don't understand big pharma is so evil therefore everything that happens in science is bad because big pharma that's what that's what you're gonna get hit with and and okay and see you yourself even pointed to definitely you yourself even pointed to examples of how the medical community was doing experiments on your own people. You know what I mean?

So how could you stress like, hold up, that's not for you to tell me how I want to parse through that. Nope. And I just want to say this again. Black Americans can point to a legacy of medical experimentation and torture that would fuel hesitancy. I'm not saying it's justified, but that is part of the history um in this country but even when white anti-vaxxers or you know high income anti-vax they they'll point to communities of color and be like they have low vaccination rates but completely miss the part where a lack of resources creates an information desert that is only exacerbated by systemic oppression it's

not because they're like oh yeah they get it or like you know what's going on over there no really look at what the fuck it looks like because i think a lot of high income or white anti-vaxxers they engage this is like a form of agency for them without having the objectivity about what the entire situation is within the medical industry the country they reside in or even genetics and to even take a closer look, because I think the mass media also has a hand in this just because it's sort of turned this into an us versus them, you're anti-vax or not. And it completely, there's zero nuance, especially as it pertains to race. But anti-vaxxers should also look, you know, you look at these PBEs, public belief exemptions, where people get together and they say, I have a PBE. So that's why we are not vaccinated as a family.

There's a lot of studies that show they're like these high concentrations of public belief exemptions. The racial homogeneity is also just a huge part of it as well. And so these are people are, you know, obviously protecting themselves mentally, visually or whatever to sort of keep from really thinking more about it. But it's like at some point these people have to come to the table and there has to be there has to be a reckoning with this kind of thinking. Because there was that documentary about flat earthers and there was like this whole group of like astrophysicists, astronomers and shit who are just like, what the fuck are we going to do? And while there was a ton of people who were like, how the fuck could they not believe us?

Have they done this shit? I've been fucking working out and blah, blah, blah. A lot of people were like, you know, we have to figure out a way to bridge this gap because at the end of the day, even though they are misguided, they are interested in science on some level. They are interested in well-being on some oh interesting but they're but that has to begin the thing because it's like anything it's like racist too and i don't know how much you get help save a racist but or any sort of ignorant discriminatory person they start hearing things like oh so i'm bad immediately they're going to shut the shop up good luck trying to communicate right um and with something like this that we're like we need you

know like more than anything you could be racist stay in your fucking house and just don't bother anyone but if you're out here contributing to the transmission of illnesses and things like that that's a whole other game and you're more than likely as a like a high income anti-vaxxer if you got sick you could go to a fucking doctor and most likely pull through but a person of color that you might unwittingly be transmitting a disease to they don't have the same option so don't act like you're saving anybody anyway so pay your 623 some to them to be able to say i have a choice to say no to this. I wonder if it, this makes me curious about the difference between agency and entitlement.

Sure. And I'm sure those blinds blur. Right, because in the United States, individualism, right, starts to become propaganda. And I don't know that it's agency to say, I don't want the vaccine. I feel like agency is the ability- Perceived agency. Yeah. Because real agency in that kind of an instance is to be able to rely on experts to inform you appropriately with facts and figures that you can look to and point to clearly and say, yes. Right? Because-

It's my informed decision based on what i the information i have exactly because then otherwise agency is us doing the leg us farming us going out and doing the research us you know everything's but that's what they're doing they for whatever reason they've ingrained in themselves or had ingrained in them the idea that the information you're being given is incorrect right and there's an entire conspiracy to keep the truth from you and so their their thoughts on on getting vaccinated or not getting vaccinated is i've done the research this is not only unnecessary but potentially harmful to me or my children and like how do you and i think that's what's sort of horrifying it's like i don't know how to bridge that gap i don't

know how to get you to trust exactly the whole thing is believing that these people are lying to you i think at the end it boils down to a fear that i don't want anything to go wrong with my child fucking anything so if i can if there's even a chance of that, even though the medical science is saying that's a positive, I've I saw two things that said it couldn't be. And I don't want that at all to happen to my child. It's like that. And then and then it morphs into this whole other thing. And this is where the game among us, I feel, is so important. This is where the game among us, I feel, is so important.

It is de-radicalization of 623. Exactly. $623. Yo, yellow looks sus as fuck right now. Oh, no. Let's take a quick break. Let's take a breather. And we'll be right back.

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Yeah, what is this, 2018? Because like barely, like you got to really squint your eyes. You're like, who's got a mask on? A lot of people with some chin masks. You got a couple people with masks. Other people who were like, I'm off this shit.

And, you know, apparently at the field, they were saying like, no, like obviously we're telling fans to wear masks to keep to keep it safe. We're not going and obviously we're going to go there ignoring the fuck. We'll pack 38000 people in here and some of them will wear masks. I don't know. Some won't. But what does it matter? Governor Abbott said it's all G, honey.

So come through to the Rangers game right now. come through to the Rangers game. Right now, the state is about 16, 17% fully vaccinated and over a quarter have a little, just over 25% have gotten their first shot. But these are not the kinds of numbers that would make an epidemiologist say play ball. Because at this point, I don't know like what it is. I think people are just desensitized to the risk

because if they've gotten this far in your mind, you're like, I know if i got if i was gonna get it i probably would have got it so i'm probably good anyway and right also i think just many people have just like even if they acknowledge the pandemic they've just personally prioritized this feeling of getting back to like normal and as look i'll say this it's definitely safer than an indoor arena but when you consider a lot of other ballparks have been operating and not even close to full capacity like 40 or 50 this is like it's a little eerie to think about because you we look at countries in europe they've started to reopen and we're starting to see it trend upward again so you know money though we've got sponsors money sponsors but money and also make sure you get these ashes in the seats

and also there seems to be a cultural like a certain cultural milieu where like being the first to reopen is like uh hell yeah that's what i'm talking about brother uh type thing it'd be so shitty to get covid like after you know there's the vaccines available people getting vaccinated like now would be a horrible i mean it's always a horrible time to lose somebody but it's just right oh yeah how or more likely you know catch a baseball game be asymptomatic bring it home to your elderly relative who you know only has their first dose and kill them or get them right or has their first dose the day the next day you know right yeah yeah i started getting a little confident after my first shot i was like okay i might go to like a coffee shop yeah right coffee to go you're like i might eat at this hometown buffet demand that

they open yeah i uh when i was on spring break on miami beach uh the other day with my family uh i took my kids on vacation uh for spring break and we i witnessed a thing that made me like really uh feel for any parents of teenage kids where like this teenager was like wearing his mask around his neck and his mom was like what are you doing like stop do you want to kill us and he was just like yeah i do i do i want to kill grandma i want to kill it was just like oh no like entitled teenage white kid like but just like teen shithead i was yeah okay i'm sorry okay you can go do you want a ps5 well i know the dad the dad was like just stop both of you because the mom was like really taking it there and like you know there were people around it was it was pretty wild it

was uh it was like getting a front row seat to a live action familial meltdown on on par with uh force mayor i'm telling you the the youtube clips are gonna be popping when we enter society again motherfuckers don't know how to act and a lot of people are stressed and a lot of you know it's the same thing that's the same phenomenon why so many fights happen to chucky cheese and shit at kids birthday places like oh i didn't know this oh yeah because it's like a combination of like stressed parents who want to do well for their kids but it's sort of like but also like you might yeah but so like it and like some places have alcohol so tensions like boil over because there's like a ton of group parties on top of it so like the energy can just

be weird everyone's anxious especially like if people have weird family situations is another layer of complexity that you're bringing in to then if one person errantly bumps into you it's like what now so yeah i've imagined i will see a lot of like couples fights family fights uh i've been telling myself like for the opening reopening of the world i keep like telling myself in my head i'm like it's gonna be okay like you don't have to go anywhere right away don't worry about fomo like just take your time ease your way and like i am just telling myself that over and over because do you think that'll be that'll be a big like you'll be fighting your fear of missing out alongside like re-entry anxiety i mean i'm comfortable like i'm fine in my house right

right right but but yeah i think part of me is like i don't want to miss the roaring 20s but also part of me is like it's fine we're safe in here sure sure yeah worry we eventually have to switch gears at some point but yeah yeah and all at our own pace exactly that part of my brain i think never formed the fomo part like i think i'm like that's i got fogo fear of going out i think that's just called social anxiety i was like huh that's weird i don't know why i don't have fomo it's like oh because i get nervous and uncomfortable i'm as as like outspoken and gregarious and you know uh you know energetic as i am certain times i'm really not fucking like before the pandemic there are situations where i don't want to blindly go to just some like some random get together of people like her her majesty will be like oh

so-and-so's birthday i'm like i don't know who's that like oh i used to work on this project with them i'm like will i know anybody there she's like no but it'll be fun and i'm like shit cut to me in the fucking corner like hi and being like do you smoke no all right i'm like nobody smokes here what the fuck it's a bris i didn't know that we want to say a quick uh ado to yahoo answers what one of the greatest to ever do it uh how is babby forums yeah maybe uh the best thing that anybody ever found on the internet apparently that was found by uh at fart on twitter uh john hedron wow for an article that he was writing for something awful which katie uh netopolis from uh buzzfeed pointed that out in her article uh in her obit on uh yahoo

answers but that's just i feel like we should do more internet sourcing of like people who started memes and like the fact that that was i don't know he should win a p-body for finding that yahoo answers yeah it's vital to our our modern day internet vocabulary yeah wait so does that mean gregnet is also was gregnet from that or was that from cora uh i think it might have been but the so all of yahoo is going to be wiped uh all of yahoo answers are going to be wiped from the Internet. Oh, come on. Somebody turn it into something quick.

Somebody preserve it on Tumblr. Yeah. The Library of Congress has like every tweet ever. No, you know. No. Am I pregnant? Shout out to the realist one is Yahoo answers. Yeah.

Am I pregnant? Am I pregnant? Help. help you know is there a possibility that i'm pegrant yeah there's some there's some great ones you know just looking through i can't see myself on Google Earth? Oh, no. Really? They thought it's a... There's that? Okay. I like that.

I really like the... I like what this person thought Google Earth was, and I appreciate them. I like that, too. It's so whimsical. They're like, go outside and fucking anywhere. Okay, I'm going to tell my cousin to go outside right now. In France.

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