The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 171 (Best of 4/12/21-4/16/21)

Episode Date: April 18, 2021

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the brilliant, the talented, the hilarious Chelsea Weber-Smith! Well, thank you. Thank you, you know I always love being here with you guys. Look at you. Thank you for having me back.

Always such a great conversation to be had. Yeah. I agree. I love talking to you guys. It's so good talking to you. I love talking to you guys. It's so good talking to you. As we've talked about before,

like your work on, you know, social moral panics and just your kind of pop cultural history. Mind for pop culture history is just, just inject it right into my fucking veins. I love it. I will. Yes. What are you trying to get a jumbo?

A red top? How are you packing? How are you packing it up? Pandemic, Chelsea. You want two? You want two? Or you want the. Yes, please. Great, Dan. What are you trying to get? A jumbo? A red top? How are you backing it up? Pandemic, Chelsea. You want two? You want two? Two for five? What's the deal? The other thing I was going to see,

I was thinking of you when Lil Nas X twerked his way to hell. Oh, baby. I know. That was full blown. I will say it hasn't been great PR for Satanists the last little while here, you know. But I think he has a brilliant PR team, which I'm sure he's a huge part of because I think they knew what they were doing with that and what was going to happen. Oh, hell yeah. I appreciate a good PR stunt as much as I hate capitalism, I have to say.

And that was a beautiful, beautiful rollout from start to finish there. And, you know, it was a satanic panic. But, man, things just the last satanic panic lasted like 15 years. We're turning over quick these days, aren't we? Oh, yeah. We turn over fast. But, yeah, thank you for thinking of me. You know, when Charles Mans manson died a bunch of people

called me i was like are you okay and i was like no i don't like serial killers i just know a lot of how does that feel for you what wait what did you think i was into man i was like oh my god oh his wisdom was so beyond yeah and his music let's not forget pour one out for another musical king that's pretty ridiculous yeah did you ever hear those weird tapes those oh yeah oh yeah those are i remember dating somebody who put me on not put me on but like played them for me for the first time and i immediately was like oh no like why do you have all these mp3s these are not good songs at all and i was like come on out to this ranch where me and my friends hang out and uh we can just you know yeah he's got a song about

dumpster diving it's like we love i can't remember it but it's a real happy like let's go dumpster diving you guys and it's so he was heavily influenced by and uh even friends with the beach boys yeah sure was and they both branched off in their opposite directions and took things i i think kokomo is is the most authentically and deeply satanic song in American culture, because it's just like at that point where the hippies and like the 60s culture has completely sold its soul to capitalism and just like visions of, you know, steel drums dancing in our head. Yeah. Well, it's so interesting because Charles Manson and the Manson family were like a huge kickoff for the satanic panic because originally they were like this is a satanic ritual and so it's just like and then it was like rosemary's baby and the exorcist and all of these like satanic movies with all this like happenings around them that were supposed to be like like a

cross was struck by lightning the night of the premiere and you know so it's just like the beginning of this right satanic panic that we're still i mean we've always had a satanic panic so it just it just gets big sometimes and puffs up and i should say satanic uh in the more evil than anything yeah yeah not nice satanists who are just like yeah not fun satanists challenging yeah shall be the whole of the law yeah is is satanism i mean i feel like little nas x is making satan cool again like yeah yeah i guess the real if since the satanic panic only lasted all but 15 seconds has satan lost its appeal in terms of being a lightning rod for outrage for conservative people like are we in a post-satan world now like satan is no longer the worst thing

well i mean it i guess it depends on which christians we're talking about like the evangelical because there's been such an evangelical resurgence right so it's like those folks are definitely on board with like satanic forces you know controlling yeah right like all that stuff is still around but i think it's i mean it's lost its power probably a little bit you know but it's just like the metal heads right it's like the metal heads of the 80s it's in the backwards records it's all the same shit right it's just a little bit more surface level now and it's sexier now yeah you didn't have to play that video backwards to uh get no what it was trying to do um but he did kill satan yeah i know what's their problem did you ever witness a wave of comedy, like sketch, sketch comedy around Manson and the Beach Boys working together? I can think of like three things like sketch comedy pieces that were about Manson and the guys are trying to record a legit song where it's like the beach boys working on some

harmonies and then like sort of the the game of the sketch was like manson breaking he's like yeah and then satan would come in and drip blood down on the thing and they're like we're talking about a young woman's new car that she's driving to the beach like all right all right yeah yeah go on i'll work on some stuff and kept kept coming back with all kinds of weird shit. Oh, man. That sketch is also so good that you referenced. I think you should leave. Yeah.

When you look at the battle within the Beach Boys, even accepting Charles Manson, over the lyrics, it's such a bummer. Because as Brian Wilson was trying to make Pet Sounds and Smile you had Mike Love like who was just a like branding dude like a marketer from the start who was like nah man it's all about the chicks and the cars and surfboards yeah and then like when Pet Sounds didn't like sell a bunch of albums out of the gate he like used that to just be like see what did i tell you man you don't you don't know shit

leave it to me mike love and that that started the whole yeah it's a it's a bummer it's a saga it is a saga yeah what is something you think is overrated? So overrated, I'm trying to figure out the best way to phrase this, but I would say talent or like the word talent. So this is kind of speaking as an artist. So I got my training like a long time ago, back in high school, primarily. I've been kind of drawing on and off, but doing other stuff. I was an English major in university and all these things. So kind of like art became kind of more of a hobby, but like, I still continue to do it, you know, in my free time. And I just get very tired at this age, like I'm 30 now. And I'm always hearing people say,

oh, you are so talented. Your art is so good. You're so talented. And art is a skill, just like any other skill, any other trade that you can do. And so it's something I studied to do. I didn't just magically become good at art. I had to work to get good at art, I guess. So I know that people mean well when they say that but i prefer the word skilled over talented i would say yeah i think because i think it obscures a essential part of what it means to do like any kind of creative art that you engage in i think to put that word talent because i used to have this idea too of what art was or what an artist was or did

and it was a person who was just i don't know you got these freaks walking around called artists right they just can't help themselves but to pick up a brush or a instrument or whatever and they just fucking do their thing it's wild it's like they're like kind of the superheroes of our of our culture in a weird way without really like thinking like no these are all just fucked up people who this is a thing they really like to do and the process of even being creative is like it's never this magical thing where someone's just thinking so originally and they came up with something i think that's why there's like a book i read it's a very easy read it's called like how to steal like an artist that really helps like deconstruct this idea that like people aren't just iterating on things that happen

that they've they've looked at or were influenced by rather than this idea that like in a vacuum you're uh hit with inspiration and coming up with something so next level and i think that maybe help will help people embrace like their own interest in a certain artistic endeavor like it's like anything it's a muscle you gotta the first shit you're gonna do isn't gonna be fucking good it's gonna be whack but you like it and it doesn't matter and that's the beauty of it is that it doesn't matter you just keep doing it and keep doing it and you get better and better yeah yeah exactly i mean i think most artists like to um at some point you know we all like like to redraw stuff that or well not

just necessarily draw like any art you know they like to redo the stuff that, or well, not just necessarily draw, like any art. They like to redo the thing that they did before to see how they've grown. It's like the easiest way also to show other people how they've grown. Of course, I draw so differently from what I did like 10 years ago or 20 years ago when I was a kid. But while I guess right now I'm more primarily doing like digital painting and stuff like that, I do also lots of fiber art. So I'm also working in starting knitwear design. So I knit and I spin. I sew a little bit.

And those are all skills also. And I didn't always know how to do those things either. Right. Right. right i mean just looking at the art like when you go to your twitter feed there's like four different pieces of art in your pinned tweet and oh yeah because it was portfolio day yeah yeah it's very like it's encouraging to me to hear you say that like talent like that it's not just god-given talent because like this is like you it's like you have photorealistic stuff you have like really cool looking like more cartoon influenced stuff

and like i i just feel like people i i would look at that and be like okay here's somebody who just woke up and was able to like reproduce whatever was inside their head so that's pretty dope to hear yeah yeah i still think that my art could use improvement but i do i do appreciate hearing that people enjoy my artwork it's a process you know we're never done we're never done you know what i mean i think that's the biggest i think that's the biggest gift you can give yourself as a creative person because yes while we can always be like, I can do better and shit. Trust me, as a Japanese person, I know. I know the shit that can get in our heads, specifically around like folk, like nailing down a craft and perfecting things because that's part of the culture.

But I think in terms of like telling ourselves constantly, like we're always iterating, we're always evolving. So what my style is now will not be the style. It will continue. It's just like, you got to go easy on yourself. Cause it's so easy to be like, fuck,

this should be better. Fuck it. I'm done. I'm frustrated. Cause that shit happens a lot. And it's very easy to burn out if you're not, you know, giving yourself.

And they say that like, um, like just in parenting, when the worst thing to do is to compliment a kid on like their natural ability in something and the better thing is to like treat it as a process where you're like kind of learning and you know yeah make a verb of it as opposed to like a commodity that the kid is like wow you're you really like get math you're really good at math as opposed to like you're doing great and math uh is all right yeah wow look at you

you're you're on your way to being a mathematician right yeah but yeah it's true you gotta you have to sort of take out the pass fail good bad binary that exists when talking about things like this. Cause they're not that simple. And because of that, like the cow, we, we wander into all these sort of toxic ways of thinking. Yeah.

Yeah, definitely. That especially goes for things where it's, I think people get caught up in this, especially when it's like writing or doing, doing things that aren't as like evident outwardly as like being a really being able to draw really cool shit yeah like making music where like feedback is a little more instant right yeah stuff especially when you got a wham bar uh feedback i don't even think that was you mean whammy bar wham whammy

i call it wham because we're we're tight we're having a moment yeah what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are what you're up to oh boy um misha barton 2021 looked up recently uh in the in the pandemic i've been re-watching the oc okay it's part of my nightly ritual to stay sane i eat a little bowl of potato chips and pretzels and watch an episode of the oc oh yeah okay what's your uh i'm not to i want to continue this but i want to stop you there on the little bowl of chips and pretzels how do you prepare that how big is the bowl and what is your idea in terms of how you're you know moderating what the mix is in the amount great question uh so you got it it's a small bowl it's uh you know regular it's maybe a cereal bowl all right so it's not like huge and uh you got it it's a small bowl it's uh you know regular it's maybe a cereal bowl all right

so it's not like huge and uh you got you put like a handful of potato chips and this is how you have to work it out for every two regular size potato chips you eat one pretzel and they're rolled gold pretzels look we're in california i can't get the good stuff i'm from pennsylvania if i was back in pennsylvania i'd be getting tom sturge's pretzels okay tom sturge's pretzels the best and uh probably i don't know goods potato chips whatever potato chips don't have lard um at this point uh but um that's the ratio okay all right and so you're watching your oc getting your salty snack on right and you thought what's misha up to now well yeah really all of them also i learned something very interesting rachel bilson comes from hollywood royalty she's like her dad is nominated

for the screenplay for the five bloods uh this year it maybe he's not nominated, but he should be. But yeah, that was a screenplay that was like about five Vietnam vets that has been kicking around since the 90s. And then Spike Lee came in and gave it a reason to exist. She went to my high school. Which one? Rachel Bilson?

Wow. Do you know her? No, she was like a senior when I was a freshman. Was she an actual student or was she like already acting? She's like, you know her no she was like a senior when i was a freshman was she a actual student or was she like already acting and she's like you know like it was the same thing like kirsten dunst is also like when you're acting you don't go to you're not at school like you're just at you just you say you go to a school for like the social part to say like oh i go to this high school right twice a year for a test and then I'm on set the rest of the time. Yeah. A lot of people don't know this, but Laura Bundy.

Yes. Andy, in a recent episode, I revealed that Laura Bundy, yes, that Laura Bundy who played one of the kids in Jumanji went to my high school in Kentucky, and that was a defining fact for kids who went to my high school Miles was like oh yeah Kristen Dunst went to my school no big deal and didn't even mention that Rachel Bilson did

I mean look you know did her and Rami Malek go doubt together when they were in high school I don't know he went to my high school too she posted a picture when Rami Malek was nominated for an Oscar she posted a picture of them from Malek was nominated for an Oscar. She posted a picture of them from high school, and apparently he wrote her on Instagram and was like, please take that down.

I'm a very private person. When it comes to awkward pictures of me. Yeah, of me as more of like a kind of round-faced teen kid. Okay, sure, Rami. Here's an actual little-known fact to me up until a couple weeks ago. Did you know that Penn Badgley and Adam Brody are not the same person? I had just fused them as the same person in my head because Dan and Adam, was his character's name Adam? So Penn Badgley played Dan in Gossip Girl. Adam Brody played Seth in The O.C.

They were both the literary kind of nerdy character, and I had absolutely completely fused them in my brain. Then Adam Brody was on Comedy Bang Bang the other week, and I was picturing Penn Badgley the whole time. Oh, Penn Badgley's

Hot Man Zookas, right? Is that what he is? That's how I remember Penn Badgley. Well, Penn Badgley's hot man zookas right is that what he is that's what i that's how i remember pen badgley well pen badgley i've never seen with a beard does he rock a beard every once in a while allow me to litter the chat with this image of hot man zookas pen badgley yeah he's the dude for the chat miles has just posted a uh 30 line long link oh yeah hot hot zookas i'm hot for zookas maybe vulture should do one of those things where they have two friends talk except with pen badgley and manzookas right um zooks and pen how is uh how's the oc holding up i was not like i watched a couple episodes

when it first came out i never really got fully into it is it is it good well i loved it when it first came out because seth cohen i was close to that age and he was into indie rock and comic books right and representation matters as we all know and i had never seen someone into death cab and the x-men on tv before so an awkward jewish kid into indie rock and comic books so i found that to be important in my development but not bad it's not bad honestly like it's still pretty enjoyable like they're all very good actors and they're having fun mostly. And there's some fun dialogue there. But it's like it has the problems that any show that has to do 24 or 25 episodes a season like they mostly used to do have, which is like, how do you fucking keep a show? How do you keep things going for 25 episodes?

So there's all these ups and downs so like everyone's breaking up every two episodes right and yeah i i don't know there's some murders too right don't they run into like the gotta keep heightening it to the point that like or not murders but people die and like it goes isn't that when the what you say episode happens what you say yes that's the only thing i know i've never seen the oc before and i've only you lived it bro yeah yeah dude i did uh not kind of no but i would say region of the country would you andy could i a blazian man in the year of our lord 2021 who's never seen the oc cast eyes upon this masterwork and have an effect that is positive

uh sure i mean i don't know they're not they're like i don't know honestly i don't know like i'm trying my journey it's tough to think about it through the eyes of like present day kind of woke hollywood and i say kind of in the sense that like hollywood today is like they love hiring uh yeah it's it's like companies but it's still like yeah but it's still like everyone behind the scenes is white so you're still getting a white perspective it's just now said through the mouth of a black person right uh mostly there's you know obviously a handful of exceptions i don't it's fun i don't know i don't know like what you're looking for it's it's certainly not i didn't find it too

offensive it wasn't like no i don't know if it would be offensive necessarily more just like if as like you know like since you have a connection to it from back in the day you're watching it with a different sense versus sort of objectively being like yo check out the OC check it out it's streaming baby I look by the way I didn't say check it out I said this so you're saying I'm not saying check it out yeah I was not

I was not recommending this I was saying this is how I've survived right this is my own unique medical intervention for my boredom. Right, right. This is Prozac for me. And I would never give someone else that prescription.

Right, right, right. What is something you think is underrated? I have two things. The first one, I think, I'll just quickly say, I think DMX prior to his passing. I think a lot of artists do get they're more celebrated posthumously. I just you know it's

I mean he's an OG. He's a pioneer in the game. He's so talented. How many hits did he have? Unique. So unique. Put other rappers on as well. Like, he has a legacy.

And I just, you know, I know because he had his health issues, and I do say health issues because that's how addiction should be treated. You know, I think this society is very cruel. you know i think this society is very cruel and oftentimes when people are in vulnerable situations like that they become the butt of jokes so you know now i think people are you know after the guy is so sick and then passed it's like he's being celebrated but i think he should have been celebrated you know is yeah yeah he's a he's a he has a very unique place too because i think alongside just his like very clear charisma and things like that there was something about how he

projected his like personality through rap that transcended a lot of the weird. I mean, granted, yes. Like he, he's an OG of also the most, some of the most toxic shit I've ever heard a rapper say,

like without a doubt, like things I'm like laughing now. I'm like, Oh, you wrote that down and said that. Right. But after a while, like,

as you really kind of look at his life in its totality you realize like from childhood he had been in and out of like correctional facilities and juvenile detention and things like that because he was he was trying to survive on his own if you listen to the talib quali interview he did last year there are moments where he is so open about things he has been through that when you really look at it you're like oh right everyone just thought oh he's the dog like oh wow but truly like it was a very broken human being who had to adopt a much more aggressive persona i think to sort of hide his own pain but within that like he was able to also express which is oddly enough he needed sort of the language of this like hyper masculinity to be

emotional and he was able to do that in a way that didn't get him you know people would be oh he's soft because he's crying on stage and shit but he cried on stage and people felt that shit like in the early 2000s um and i think there's a lot to be said about you know sort of like those elements of his work and like yeah of course you can there's nobody has a legacy that's completely pristine but i think with with this one for sure i think we just took him as like an energy vibey rapper but as i kind of reflect more i'm thinking of like the things that actually pulled me in and i think it was how because he was so emotionally transparent on top of like just being a great

performer but i think it was he was able to be uh vulnerable in a way that like a lot of like rappers really weren't at the time so yeah he communicated more like in the intros, like before he started rapping, just like the build up was like so much just energy and pathos. And yeah, like just that dude's spirit, that dude's energy is like, because I mean, there was like the flex culture of like, yeah, look at me what I got or whatever. And like, you know, I'm with this, this, that and the other woman who whatever. But it was a lot more about like just dark shit that he was going through it wasn't as much of like the it wasn't as material i mean later on i think he started making more like party albums and things like that or you know tracks slightly different but at the end of the day i think that's really what i think was for

me interesting because he's coming up in the time where like hard knock life or bad like bad boy is sort of dominating the sound which is all materialism and then to have this guy like screaming in a tank top wearing a like chain like a literal like chain link as like a fucking jewelry and you're like oh oh okay i just remember an ex gonna give it to you when he was when he said fight these tears i was like huh that's yeah You when he said, fight these tears. I was like, huh. Yeah, you want to fight me? Fight these tears.

You're like, oh. Huh? Wow. Yeah. That's dark. That's emotional. Yeah. He's an artist.

He really is an artist. And in terms of having a pristine legacy, I mean, we're human. Humans are no humans perfect. But he's an artist yeah he's artists thrown through and you can just tell from the amount of people that showed up when he was on his deathbed like it's it's weird you know we've lost a lot of artists before but it's interesting when you can actually like you can begin to measure truly like from the output of like people sharing memories or like moving into physical space to be near it is a huge thing so yeah sad to see him yeah he's only only 50 young 50 years young rest in peace yeah it's a it's a tough time for you know i just anecdotally, I know people who are passing because of suicide and drug addiction, like, more than I feel like I've ever, taken a toll and just in general the the fact

that like fizzy you said these are illnesses that people aren't uh willing to treat as illnesses um that like those things are taking a toll especially in america you'll see i mean and you hope that these are the kinds of moments that can hopefully shift, move, uh, prod the culture to move forward a little bit to be like, if, if you're going to, if you're willing to say the addiction was a tragedy when they're dead, you have to be able to, to have that same empathy and energy for someone from the onset.

It can't just be like, Oh, he a crackhead. Right. And then it's over there. Because I think that, I think that was a lot of the discourse especially in the last sort of 10 years or so when he really had kind of fallen off

where people just were like oh he's an afterthought like you know he did that to himself when when it's so funny because most of us know we have examples of addiction and that struggle in our lives that we are very much invested in the wellness of that person but with celebrities it's like this thing it's like well fuck you till you die and then when you die oh what a shame right yeah yeah all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back do you ever wonder where your favorite foods come from like what's the history behind bacon wrapped hot dogs hi i'm I'm Eva Longoria. Hi, I'm Maite Gomez-Rejon.

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because that's just not how we get down here. They are really trying to figure out like a practical way to combat emissions. And not that I'm just saying like, Oh yes, shout out to them. But it's just an example, right? That they've been trying to re configure in a internal domestic flights with, by saying,

if there is a flight, an internal domestic flight that can be covered by train in under two and a half hours, we ain't doing that flight anymore. We're just not doing it. It doesn't make sense because then you can take a fucking train because on average the plane has, emits

77 times more CO2 per passenger than the train. So that's like a little thing you can do. Okay. So that's the government. I love riding the train. It's so wonderful. But we already got like things where like Republicans are like, oh, giving money to Amtrak it's like right yeah that's what my first thought was like wait so the government's telling them to do that and they're listening without like

a enormous political backlash on like a bunch of militia people like yeah they also do shit like be like oh air france you need some money okay well guess who owns part of that now the government right because you needed some bailout money we're here it's like it's my friend though it's like well if you were really thinking imagine you were thinking like a businessman if another business person came up to you say hey let me get a loan you'd be like okay give me a stake in your fucking company that's your fucking head right now come up with that ownership scheme it's not like the u.s government hasn't bailed out the airlines like constantly it's just right they know it's bad pr right is it bad pr to nationalize them i mean exactly that's all it is it's bad pr it's

actually good policy and it makes for better outcomes by not allowing these greedy fucks to do whatever the fuck they want so anyway along those lines it's just saying it's stuff like this that the u.s should be thinking about more aggressively because the other thing is like as much as they're like oh we're gonna go electric all electric everything it's gonna be electric avenue it's the main street electrical parade the one you see our fucking fleets coming down the street okay fine but that's not electric cars alone will not solve this crisis like especially when you consider the carbon footprint for the production and transport of electric vehicles it's not it's not like oh electric cycling is actually going to have to factor in on some level for us to really cut down on emissions and i was just

reading this other piece especially looking at things happening in europe as a result of pandemic like i think overall like interest in cycling has gone up in this country, myself included. I use a bike way more than I used to. But just looking at simple things like this, in this study, they found urban residents who switched from driving to cycling for just one trip per day reduced their carbon footprint by about a half ton of CO2 over the course of a year. And that's essentially the same as the equivalent emissions

from a one-way flight from London to New York. So, and if just one in five urban residents permanently change their travel behavior in this way over the next few years, it could cut emissions of car travel to close to 8% in Europe specifically in this analysis. So like just build the bike, like you see places that have bike lanes and you're like, oh, wow. Why wouldn't I bike there? Why? Because it's safe. L.A. is like fucking Mad Max.

Like you've got to be like, oh, I hope you're built to ride a bike in the in these streets because nobody's saving you. It's just different levels of encouragement. I think we need them. encouragement i think we need them there used to be a thing at like when i worked for a tech company where they would ask you if you drove to work and they would actually be able to enforce it because you wouldn't get a parking spot if you said that you like rode a bike to work and then you would get like a tax break i think or something this was in la but that's like rather than going through your employer, why not just make it so that people like can report for riding a bike everywhere and like get get some sort of credit that doesn't require all sorts of, you know, the U.S. just makes things super complicated and favoring of employers over employees so that they don't lose the power to the you know so capital doesn't lose the power to the people yeah i'm just thinking like the like even with new york right all the stuff that is being proposed like how can we reuse the streets smarter right you

know because clearly covid led to a movement of like reclaiming these streets for like public spaces or no car spaces and like using bikes and things like certain paths that you can take, but it's not enough where it feels like a city that's thinking about people who ride bicycles. love to ride in a protected bike path rather than worrying if i'm gonna get sideswiped by a costco delivery truck uh because nobody's looking that like just passively like just it can't cost that much money it can't cost that much money and you're damn sure not spending it to help unhoused people so where the what the fuck are y'all doing right and like the and covid's lockdowns like nature just sort of started to blossom in this weird way because a lot of the pollution was cut down and so it's like like you said it's this missed opportunity to be like okay so this is like the effect of us doing x y and z so then we obviously can't keep going at that rate but how can we apply some of the you know the improvements as negative as everything's been the environmental improvements of us just like not fucking with everything constantly right so it's like i hope that we i am dubious but i do hope we will take stuff from that

that's what it makes it disheartening there's been some coverage of the of that being like somewhat exaggerated the the like uh eco like benefits and like the you know dolphins have returned to the canals of venice i think that was uh just fake that was fake i get duped but but i think they're you know overall there's definitely been a decrease in flights decrease in you know miles driven and i was i was just thinking as as uh you guys were talking about like weight things that we could take from the pandemic if we're allowed to just wear sweats from now on like everywhere it doesn't matter then i can ride my bike to work and not worry about the fact that like i sweat through three shirts we have to become a post-drip society yes thank you i feel like we have to move into a post-drip culture because the drip is you know directly related

to capitalism consumer capitalism and i think if we can if we can move to a post-drip economy a post-drip society a lot of ills will be remedied because i think to outwardly be able to you know evoke your status with your clothes is like there is the is the first game that shit plays on you to begin sort of rat racing towards nonsense and post-drip in the sense that i will be completely dripping in sweat and people just have to get over that yeah uh all right let's talk about matt gates just check in real quick with him i think the the women who work for him have put this whole story to bed by using the always effective sexual predator evidence of, well, there are women who he hasn't assaulted and been a creep to.

So therefore, it must mean that he's not a creep. I mean, yeah, I will just read this because that's always what, like, if you're racist, then you need someone to be like, as a friend to other non-whites. And I have a few of them who will perform for me for my defense. But in this case, this is the press that was the statement that came out of his office. Today, the women of U.S. Congressman Matt Gaetz's official office released the following statement.

Matt Gaetz's official office released the following statement after the shocking allegations last week in the press. We, the women of Congressman Matt Gaetz's office, feel morally obligated to speak out. Also, just so you know, no names are specifically signed to the statement, just because it's written by Matt Gaetz. Allow me to continue. Oh, for sure. Actually, I just read it like this toxic fuck. During Congressman Gaetz's time in office office we have been behind the scenes every step of the way

we've staffed his meetings we've planned his events we travel with him we have even tracked his schedule congressman gates has always been a principled and morally grounded leader at no time has any one of us experienced or witnessed anything less than the utmost professionalism and respect. No hint of impropriety, no ounce of truthfulness. Okay. Maybe 27 grams of it, but that's a gram short of an ounce. Now, in our office and under Congressman Gates' leadership, women are not only respected, but have been encouraged time and time again to grow, achieve more, and ultimately know our value. Woo-hoo-hoo-hoo! Okay, people of the house, let me continue. On every occasion, he has treated each and every one of us with

respect thus we uniformly reject these allegations as false that is such a fucking stretch you can't get a single one of them to sign their name to this that's yeah wild again and the final one just so you know it's really written by a conservative male. Congressman Gates will continue to lead by example and stand for the people of America who have been maligned by the liberal elite. And we will stand with him while we recognize the scrutiny we will face for making this decision. We take comfort in the hope that more Americans and elected officials will stand up and refuse to remain silent. About what? Sex trafficking? sex trafficking yeah yeah about the pictures he was showing people sorry i had to sit back down after standing to salute after that uh statement i mean there and that and unfortunately if the details are just getting worse and more clear

that he absolutely has everything to do with this joel greenberg guy who's under investigation uh the last thing that came out was like over the before the weekend were these venmo receipts that he absolutely has everything to do with this Joel Greenberg guy who's under investigation. The last thing that came out was like over the before the weekend were these Venmo receipts that popped up to Joel Greenberg, the guy who's trafficking these young women and girls in certain instances where Gates sent Greenberg $900. And then the next day, Greenberg is sending out $900 in different denominations to three different women. So it says the memo field for the first of Gates's transactions to Greenberg was titled, quote, test. In the second, the Florida GOP congressman wrote hit up blank.

But instead of a blank, Gates wrote a nickname for one of the recipients. When Greenberg and the Daily Beast said they're not sharing that nickname because the teenager had only turned 18 years old less than six months before this transaction. teenager had only turned 18, uh, 18 years old, less than six months before this transaction. When Greenberg then made his Venmo payments to these three young women, he described the money as being for one payment, quote tuition,

uh, one quote school. And the other one quote school Q and on. Are you there? Can you help? Huh? Are you, where's your energy Q?

Where's that energy for the, for the, the child sex trafficking? Or is it, is it is it just cover for your your ignorance and white supremacy i don't know but if it help um so now two of his staffers have already resigned probably more at this point and he's truly now going for the defense that we saw a certain alabama secretary of State deploy last week where he says, this is from his office, Matt Gaetz has never paid for sex.

Matt Gaetz refutes all the disgusting allegations completely. Matt Gaetz has never, ever been on, he said never, ever. Come on now. Has never, ever been on any such websites whatsoever. Matt Gaetz cherishes the relationships in his past and looks forward to marrying the love of his life. Anytime someone says never or always, I i'm like you're already lying right yeah never ever ever ever ever ever ever pinky swear he just got engaged right is that is that what honestly dude i swear on my mom dude i swear on my mom i swear on my mom i'd never paid for sex bro i just fucking

dude make i'll swear on fucking anything name something right now my fucking grandma dude you know how much i love her bro i'll fucking swear on that shit okay um grandma in the crosshairs of of the universe yeah of letting karma crush your poor grandma because you are a fucking sex criminal allegedly um and also it got even worse because news then broke that greenberg, Joel Greenberg, he's going to make, he's going to, I think he's going to take a plea deal. He's going to name names. Yeah. Yeah. So he's going to be cooperating, meaning Gates may now become the prized show horse he always wanted to be.

And I just want to play this clip because Joel Greenberg's lawyer, dude, credit to this guy. I'm just going to play this exchange where right after they talk about like the plea deal happening, immediately the press is like to Joel Greenberg's lawyer, like, hey, hey, hey, like, so what do you think this means for Gates? And he's trying his best, y'all. But this is a beautiful bit of back and forth between Joel Greenberg's lawyer on the heels of announcing that they're probably going to take a plea deal. Does Matt Gates have anything to worry about? Does Matt Gaetz? That is such a When it comes to what happened today, does he have anything to worry about?

And you're asking me to get into the mind of Matt Gaetz. Right? Well, from your mind. From my mind. Based on what your client knows. Based on what my client knows. Discontent.

See, I thought if I kept on talking and talking, I would avoid these questions and not to say, I'm sure Matt Gaetz is not feeling very comfortable today. Damn. He, this is, and it's wild. He also did the dumb man thing where you, you know, you fucked up. So you're just going to laboriously repeat the question back.

What did I do last night at the club? So you're asking, should you be worried about what i did okay so you want me to enter the mind of you right my partner okay and laying this out here because i do need let me let me just write this down real quick let me okay let me just write down um so you're the subject but i do love i have to respect that he came clean it was like i thought if i kept repeating yeah you're saying that i would run out the clock and it doesn't seem to have worked and so yeah he's fucked yeah uh yeah that was beautiful please you know just resign and fucking whatever i mean it's so weird too like when these staffers leave now it's like oh it wasn't the racist insurrectionist shit or the other stuff

before just weird when people draw these lines but it also shows you the nature of working in politics is like you're truly like hitching your wagon to a star and when you realize it's about to explode like you got to try and take that momentum and like hopefully it jettisons you into like another orbit but I don't know how the fuck you're going to leave have this on your resume you might be like oh I actually didn't work from 2017 to 2021

I was just smoking mad weed that's the best you can do it's just like Matt Gaetz is such an idiot yeah it's really uh that i feel like i would almost say i feel bad for white men because like damn like the world reflected some dumb shit back to y'all like you could like you could get away with this kind of shit and it's made you the worst criminals on earth it's wild because it's like for so long they get away with it that

yeah why wouldn't you the fact that what they do because they can get away with it it's like oh you're fucked up like you take pleasure in in ruining people yeah like they're it's crazy i mean i'm thinking about like scott rudin also just because like yeah yeah like unnecessarily cruel and exactly or it's it's purely for your own personal gratification you know what i mean it's not even about the other person it's like you you're completely out of control and you're like oh that's how i just respond to shit and i do that because i'm not willing to for a second create some self-awareness or figure out like if this is the right thing it's just me indulging my fucking worst impulses constantly yeah it's so important for them to make those worst impulses a part of what like drove them to success right yeah rather than it just being

you got lucky and you happen to be of a certain level of intelligence that you were able to do this thing and you could have been nice the whole fucking time or Matt Gates like bro you had everything right you're from from a so much wealth familial wealth like he grew up in the Truman show house yeah you know that yeah

okay oh literally the Truman show house literally the house that they made the Truman show in that they made the Truman Show in, that they shot the Truman Show in. Oh, no. So he has main character syndrome. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.

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the mask as part of my cultura podcast network on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you stream podcasts and we're back uh and so uh the prosecution in the d Derek Chauvin case has rested. And now it's time for the defense to pull out all the stops. Explain why what we all saw was not what we all saw. And it's wild. I mean, like some of these expert witnesses, it's just like, I don't know. Is this a thing where you will be able to continue to consider yourself like a functional human being after doing this? are the defense lawyers and experts for people like derrick chauvin you're you're operating in a different on a different wavelength yeah because you're like fuck all right let me put the cape on for white supremacy and try and obscure the facts as best as i can and trying well i can go to sleep

at night because i'm a goblin so and i live on the side of a church and i turn to stone at night. So the whole thing is like their expert witness is so, this guy Fowler is just an absolute fucking clown with the theory. Like essentially this guy is almost suggesting like, you know, maybe George Floyd was actually dead before the police arrived. Have you ever considered that? Like these are the kinds of swings he's taking

and the whole thing isn't even like a clear theory that he has. It's just to be like, well, it could have been. I don't know. Could have been that. Could have been that. Could have been white supremacy doesn't exist. I don't know. Guys, what am I doing up here?

So he says, first, a few of the theories. Floyd's oxygen intake was impeded by the exhaust pipe of the nearby police car where he was being knelt on. nearby police car uh-huh where he was being knelt on then he also did concede during the cross-examination that he didn't know anything about the car what kind of exhaust came out or even if it was running at the time right so they're like tesla he had no idea he's like all right how's this let me all right new angle new angle how about this one perhaps a tumor found in floyd's lower abdomen could have contributed to a sudden surge of adrenaline that led to quote sudden cardiac arrhythmia what yeah yeah this is like arguing with the person who's just trying to argue like you don't know it's a lot like arguing with a conspiracy theorist or like a flat earther who's like how do you know you've been right you've been

to you've been to space have you flown up there and seen the curvature of birth because yeah well that's that's their ploy like they're just leaning into how do you know yeah their only thing is like you have to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt well yeah and doing that the thing where they they give themselves intellectual cover for their racism which is to be like well it couldn't just been that this guy just killed this black guy because he's a racist it could have been this it could have been that because for me to agree with you that this office then i have to actually acknowledge this form of racism on some level which i'm not willing to do so i would rather retreat to the safety of these intellectually disingenuous arguments of, for example, the position of Chauvin's knee during the arrest, saying it wasn't necessarily restricting Floyd's breathing.

And if it was, there would be evidence of bruising on his body. There was bruising on his body. The prosecutors, they showed that evidence. Right. So it's just like, again, this is it's just an exhausting exercise in trying to deal with this you know expert and this is seems to be his specialty uh obscuring black death because this is another this from the daily beast quote uh though not part of the chauvin case fowler is currently being sued for his expert testimony in another case in maryland where police killed a

black teen and arrest the parent the teen's parents described as quote chillingly similar to george floyd's but a death that fowler similarly testified was quote accidental wow so he's like the special forces white supremacy op you know like operative let me help what is it looks like a clear-cut case of this murder yeah they bring all here's a bunch of mush but we have we have such a long-standing relationship in systemic racism with with um logic and science and the neutrality of using that as a rationalizing and kind of eradicating any kind of like humane perspective on it it just reduces it down to like okay if we're just talking about if the law is about like what are the specific facts and we're and this the science behind it's the specific facts that's all they're going to lean into and that's all that and that's going to be their safety point because i think the next step

that we do in this fucking country is like, but that is what justice is. It's based on truth. It's based on fact and truth. And so these impassioned, you know, from our perspective, completely logical arguments of like, you have documentation of someone being murdered. You have someone being crushed and slowly choked. Like, yeah, that's what we see on the inside. Yeah, while screaming about it. They're like, no, but we need to get in to really get under the hood here.

Because otherwise, if this poor man is wrongly accused, our entire system, you know, would be upended. And it's always. It's not like other people have been wrongly accused. It's constantly this thing of like the system needs to be protected the system needs to be sort of like the fragility of the system is being tested and we have to kind of uphold it that that that's my imagining of what this well yeah it's the last line because well because yeah the system itself is inherently racist so to acknowledge it would it would i would have to crumble more in the sense that justice would have to be applied in this context where normally wouldn't be able

to retreat under the cover of law or legalese right of explain away what actually happened i mean if you remember my great poem i just did like these alabaster temples that are stained with blood um yeah we just don't want they're like oh my god can you imagine the paperwork involved if Like these alabaster temples that are stained with blood. Yeah. We just don't want, they're like, oh my God, can you imagine the paperwork involved if we admit we're a racist country? No, we can't deal with that. Too much, man. If it's really bad, then yeah.

If they don't know how to stick to the script and keep it low, then yeah, sure. We'll do that to create some semblance of justice but that's not what this whole thing is and the other thing that was going on during this whole portion again even journalists and people who are observing the trout they weren't even clear if any of this testimony from these experts was actually helping chauvin at all they were more like i think this is harming him because this stuff is so nonsensical one of the last things fowler said was he saw no evidence that floyd was oxygen deprived because he didn't complain during the arrest of experiencing problems with his vision which would be indicative that you are you're being deprived of oxygen you would be seeing these spots little spots of light and things like that. And because George Floyd only said, I can't breathe.

How do we know? He literally made this argument. Well, when someone's trying to murder you, you also have to treat them as your doctor. Yeah. Oh, you've slit my throat. My carotid artery has been severed and therefore the blood loss. Like what? The fuck are you talking about?

Give me like a Virginia Woolf style stream of consciousness of literally everything you're experiencing. Uh, otherwise I see, but how am I supposed to know? How am I? These are the hoops all to avoid actually, you know,

giving justice to somebody who's been murdered is just to do all these fucking ridiculous hoops. When before it's easy enough for a black person to get killed because he looked at somebody really. And again, the defense is laughable because white supremacy is laughable. You know what I mean? easy enough for a black person to get killed because he looked at somebody really and again the defense is laughable because white supremacy is laughable you know i mean it doesn't hold up to any scrutiny the idea that because you are white you are owed things so when someone has to go up and try and essentially give some kind of quote medical counterpoint to what is just a clear hate

crime that results in a death yeah you look it looks like absolute nonsense so i hope the jury is equally as disturbed as most people hearing this would be but well there there is one jury member who um apparently is a blue lives matter supporter and i think it's a female and i think she had another she had voiced at some point some issues she had with black lives matter so i don't know how the fuck she got on there but she's yeah when she's in the mix interestingly enough because when they were looking for you know trying to select a jury pool they had to fill out surveys being like did you hold a sign during the summer what did say

oh wow i wonder if she's like yeah i did said blue lives matter oh great i think i'd like to have a person introduced. Let's throw that in for a little spice. That's all it takes, unfortunately. And that's why this shit is so frustrating because black people are having to look time and again into the eye of this demonic system in this country to say, what the fuck? We don't give a fuck yeah so can you tell us why you're protesting though today can you like put it and that's just more insidious because they should just be saying we don't give a fuck right i'm here because i have to i we need to appear a

certain way but really we don't give a fuck and if you want if you want the proof look at the outcomes there's no justice for you yeah because we don't give a fuck. Well, that's that, that, that recurrent thing where they're like, I just don't understand why people damage property and, and, and lose control. It's just like for us to not have, I don't know. It's for people to not have the, like, yeah, if you were pushed to this point, what the fuck would you do? Like, how would you react? We see how you, like a lot of you people react to having a black kid walk through your neighborhood in South Carolina, you know, you lose all control and, and, you know, jettison them, uh, short of, you know, murdering them. But it's like, but there's no, there's no identification with your, with the other.

And that, you know, it is just like, it's so insane. And it's, and it's so insane because it is insane. It is a, it is a dysfunctional way that we collectively are dealing with trauma, ongoing trauma that we, that we bring to one another over and over again. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's cool. But all in all, pretty cool. Pretty cool stuff.

Pretty cool. Let's talk about this House bill, which, you know, progress that it's getting raised as a possibility. At least we're making the Republicans Go on the record and squash it Yeah I mean yeah Just the thing you know again as we're talking All the ills in this country

Especially in regards to racism We can draw a straight line to slavery And the fact that we have had no reckoning With it Absolutely none Just you know here's a month yes how about that okay and then other than that it's just crickets so you know for decades black lawmakers have been trying to advance legislation that would at the very least begin to formally analyze what needs to be done how we can right these wrongs and some legislation did

just move out of committee to do just that, allowing for the formation of a commission to look at the impacts of slavery, discrimination from fucking 1619 to now. And there figure out ways what we need to alter in our educational system. What are the solutions to, to write all of the racist wrongs in the country and what kind of compensation should be offered on top of that considering the just the by design poverty that black people experience um so yeah a really great moment when we see those things but you always

realize yeah i got out of committee where then it has to be voted on by these other fucking people in this country and we already have jim jordan saying spend 20 million for a commission there's already that's already decided to take money from people who were never involved in the evil of slavery and give it to people who were never subject to the evil of slavery that's what democrats on the judiciary community committee are doing oh god so that's that's about it you know i mean it'll get out of the house but then the senate like right look what so again another moment steward i think even for people who are you know looking at politics enough you go yeah well that's a wrap or even black people looking at like okay fucking preparations no yeah that's that's the

cynicism that we live with because i'm yeah and it just i think a lot of people are underrating just how exhausting this is really becoming now uh like on top of everything else that it's truly it's like i don't know how long we can just keep asking nicely right you know and then be have just your face spit in right and and still try and maintain your dignity or humanity throughout that and so uh shit i don't know what to do i mean like this is until we can we can solve issues like this of having these jim jordans and this minority rule in the country it's like how come there's fucking no one's gonna get anything they're old i wonder if there i mean i wonder how much effect you know there's not immediate effect definitely like with this kind of thing it is like we're going to have

a commission to vote on the possibility of mentioning that it could be yes right maybe right but if anything you know sort of like a glacial pace this in combination with the choven trial and minneapolis and just this past year with blm and even you know recently with sort of like standing up for asian you know rights and abuses and stuff this is like the naive kind of like maybe white liberal hope part of me or something. But it's a little bit like, okay, yeah. I mean, I guess if anything, we're just kind of like keep doing it. Because if it does get to a point where you're like, oh, well, we try. We'll just like put it on the back burner for another 20 years.

The next time it's going to be real bad but it's it's exhausting it is and like you said how much how much how much compromising of your dignity of of anyone's dignity and of just being traumatized over and over and over again how much can can really you stand yeah it's uh yeah i don't i don't know and i think you know unfortunately glacial pace is like the theme yeah it's uh yeah i don't i don't know and i think you know unfortunately glacial pace is like the theme yeah this thing and yeah totally and because of that generations of people come and go without seeing anything change right so i don't that's the thing you know the people of color are technically a minority in this country so until the the tipping point really has to come from other people in this country.

Cause every, we all know what the fucking stakes are. People in proximity to us who are allies know what the fucking stakes are, but it's this whole other section of the country that has no interest in looking at this in any other way, except their own denial to, to maintain comfort. Yeah.

And to just avoid thinking that anything could be wrong in this country as well and to just excuse their own ignorance and it's not just the republicans either i mean by the i'm still can't get past biden in the aftermath of you know the first night of uh demonstrations in minneapolis saying that like we're waiting to see on like the initial murder of an unarmed very young man but there's no excuse the the one thing that i can like say is automatically wrong is looting is just so frustrating well because that's how he has to still wait wag a finger at black people yeah right that's what it is that he can't or else he's a race traitor right and subconsciously he's not willing to be a race traitor and say that is absolutely wrong this

person needs to go to jail immediately that what we saw was an absolute hate crime if you if you saw they'd be like oh he sounds like a black person right because i don't hear white people talking like that if they do they're like very radical activist people but not people in real positions of power because you you stand to be you know your perceived race traitor or whatever the fuck it is but he you have to still have that position of like yeah that was bad but also remember who's in charge again i'm gonna let you know by saying that remember capitalism is about protecting capital and property not about people so yeah don't don't break any windows well the crazy thing is like he's sort of future trading any any positioning he might have for other you know i mean it is it's

a little bit of a bargaining chip like well i can i could say this but then i would lose this move i could make later for this other thing just the political aspect of sort of like yeah i think the the political triangulation shit is just old now because like the people that lose out are the ones that are actually at most risk while you wait to find out what the most efficient position is rather than going full stop on the side of humanity. I just also don't, I don't, I wish the Democrats would kind of learn like, okay, clearly the Republicans have established that there's a precedent maybe based on our sort of social media internet world we live in. And I was like, the half gonna get swallowed up and would be and would be elevated if it started the conversation like it just if it jumpstarted a little bit you need one very white celebrity to do something like that and spark the outrage and be like what's the problem what did i say that's wrong and i'm gonna be the one to say what's the fucking problem with you the democrats triangulation like kind of reminds me it seems like it's of a piece with the what

we're talking about on the journalism side of this like both sides in it and like triangulation okay so the republican side is this but the other side the people who are being murdered on video uh while screaming i can't breathe are saying this so we have to like tip the elections in our favor every fucking time right so we have to talk about both sides and it's like you know that the documentary 13th like the villain of that is like the clinton administration like the fucking and it's all well i am a democrat by name and so therefore i have to do these republican things to like confuse people into like both sides into supporting me and it's just like that shit is so far past i mean it should have never existed but

what is it has harris had anything like i haven't because she was so sort of front and center on so many i feel like anytime it was a statement from the president it was also a statement from her but i haven't heard anything you know reaction or otherwise from her yeah i mean at that point i've been emailing her and stuff it's not right i mean i think the thing was just sort of very milquetoast kind of of like, you know, this is going to happen. I think what this is, quote, folks will keep dying if the country does not address racial injustice. Okay, Vice President Harris. You got any fucking ideas?

Right. Like, what the fuck? Talk to old man Joe. ideas right like what the fuck talk to old man joe but again this is why like it's that's why it's so disheartening too because no matter who's in the office there's just these everyone is still cut from the same cloth of only rocking the boat to certain degrees yeah no one's no one's gonna flip the table and the table flippers get fucking marginalized real quick yeah that's just how the system you know that's how it protects itself it's like oh this person has big table flipping energy to the sides you go either that or they're now i feel like they kind of position is like oh

that's that's just their brand that's the bullshit that they're like putting out there that they're actually this person like there's there's a real point i mean it's always existed politics but i feel now like there is a very poisonous sort of acknowledgement of like everybody's got their kind of brand everybody's got their sort of like persona you know the fact that they come at aoc is just like she's just coming she's just like leaning hard into this like 20 something kind of liberal you know trying to grab her base in that way and so it doesn't that huh you think that i do i mean i see is being performative with a progressivism i don't but i've heard people say you know that that there's an aware there's that thing of like there you have to have an awareness of who you're speaking to but you also have i i

think there's the cynical version is that, that they're like, oh, it's a performative thing. Like who knows how genuine they are? And once we start to call that out in each other, then you just, then you cannot, it's hard to sort of invest any kind of hope and faith in collective efforts. You know what I mean? If we're mainly with our leaders and stuff. Well, I think that's why we have to ditch the notion that these people are going to do anything. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, or, or not put, yeah, not put, put the full onus on like, Oh,

they're here to save us. Yeah. And I just even look at like the natural disasters that have occurred. I hear more stories anecdotally about people in the community just helping each other than the fucking, then FEMA coming through with some shit. You know what I mean? Like, especially texas when things were completely fucked up like people were like fuck it we're gonna have to we're gonna help each other out yes there is government assistance but there's on some level yeah i think we we realize police

aren't gonna fucking protect us and these politicians all they do is just fucking just do with their fucking stand-up sets and on the hill and we're like great cool let's go home i think you are describing libertarianism at work miles uh they're big they're bigger in the stand-up stuff every every man for himself neighbors will take care of neighbors uh it's all good yeah yeah well certain neighbors will take care of certain yeah exactly and by take care of uh i think you know what i mean yeah i mean shut the blinds and act like we're not home right right all right that's gonna do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist please like and review the show if you like the show. It means the world to Miles.

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