The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 180 (Best of 6/14/21-6/18/21)

Episode Date: June 20, 2021

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We are thrilled, Miles. Fortunate, blessed to be joined by one of the funniest stand-up comics in the world. Wow. Her comedy, Central Presents Presents is a classic. She was voted Portland's funniest comic multiple times. You know her from Last Comic Standing, her own podcast, Who's Your God? And you can see her live again. Check her website for dates.

Please welcome Amy Miller! Amy! Hello, this is Jeff's, and it's my birthday. Here's what I want. Happy birthday, sweetie. Hey, guys. What do you want for your birthday? You have a good...

When's your birthday? December 31st, New Year's Eve, baby. So this one, did you have a kind of birthday this time, or you think this next year, this is the one? No. No. Well, I had... it was my 40th birthday this last one and my friends made me a counting crows video i mean a bunch of my friends sang

long december and cut it together and i watched i was alone in a hotel room but i had a zoom party it was weird but fun you know it's something i'm never gonna forget for sure did anybody have adam derwitz dreads in the video okay yes one person did and i think it was probably not okay because it was a white man he did like he he like he didn't wear the you know he did it with a computer yeah but then look you're imitating the problematic adam durowitz you're you're honoring the source material unless he's like no amy i've been growing these they tried to contact him many times because for a birthday message or to be in the video because you know we're all from the east bay so like they did have connections they could call in

and then he didn't respond and then someone was was like, oh, he's on cameos. We can just pay him 150 bucks. And so he made a cameo for my 40th and he said, please stop having your friends contact my dad. I didn't know about any of it. So personal. I love it. That's amazing. Yeah, it was a weird birthday but is it just because you guys share kind of uh area of origin or are you a big cannon crows crow head i guess i guess i am a pretty big crow head um also it was just it was just funny because

yeah we're all from like we all met in berkeley where he's from and you know i don't know it's long december it's a classic about december and how things are going to be better next year like it was it was just amazing i'll send you the video you're gonna know i gotta see this blown away by the effort i I mean, I felt very loved. That's for sure. So you are the opposite of the bait, like those first baby born, like you are the last baby born. Yeah. Yeah. I was born at like 6 a.m. So I don't think my mom could have waited until the new year. Right. Right. Yeah. Where are your headlines? You know, where are the headlines for the 6 a.m. on December 31st, babies? I know. I think the headline should be that my mom lived in the East Bay and got a doctor in San Francisco.

So I was officially born in San Francisco. Why would you why would you plan to cross a bridge when you're in labor? That's what I don't understand. What if there's traffic? Oh, my God. What if there's a I won't even say it. Yeah. If I had been born two hours later, you know, I would have been born on the bridge. I don't understand. What if there's traffic? Oh, my God. What if there's a... I won't even say it. Yeah. If I had been born two hours later, you know, I would have been born on the bridge. That would be pretty tight.

And then they'd be singing a different song for you. I think that's a Creedence Clearwater song. Born on a bridge. Another East Bay band. Yeah. What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are well i have one from last night and i'd like to blame this on being in this like very strict quarantine where i'm bored but this is something you could find in my search history on any given night which is i recently did search uh roddy piper greg the hammer valentine dog collar match

so i wanted to watch that dog collar match from 1983 and i couldn't find a full video of the dog collar match i didn't search too hard because i actually found an oral history of the 1983 greg hammer greg the hammer valentine and roddy piper dog collar match so i did spend a chunk of last night reading an oral history of a very bloody wrestling match from 1983. And I'll stand by that. What is a dog collar match for our listeners who are uninitiated?

Dog collar match? I don't know if it was a thing that pre-existed these guys, but they would do this match where they both put a leather collar around their neck and then they were connected neck to neck via these chains. Beat it style. Yeah, it just had these brutally violent,

they'd wrap their fists in the chains and they'd drag each other across the ring by the chain and really like bloody, brutal match. And I was reading last night, I didn't realize there's this famous one from 1983 and then I didn't realize it was so popular. They had to go around the country and do like all the different territories and they

wound up doing this match 40 times that year and they both talked about like talking about how like I think Roddy Piper his ear was torn in half and they both had like semi permanent hearing loss from it by the end like all this

insanity that these wrestlers put us through back then you think back in those days too when you're like this was not like this was like pre-hogan becoming like pop culture superstar this was for them like all right i guess we got to go like entertain the southern half of louisiana by ripping our ears off tonight right next week i guess we'll be up up in Omaha ripping our other ear off. Yeah. Maybe only wrap the chain like three times around my face this time

before you rip it off. Yeah. Can you maybe take out my teeth? My ears are still healing. Aim for my teeth this time. The photos look pretty erotic, though. When you look at the still images, you're like, whoa, okay.

I see what's going on here, WWF. pro wrestling there's always going to be some uh homoeroticism inherited some fans might not like to admit that but let's call it what it is yeah yeah i feel like wrestling back then was closer to like being a carny or like in the circus i guess would be the the closer thing where you came to town people came and saw you but it wasn't it wasn't on tnt like that blew my mind when i i realized that they also did shows that weren't televised because i went to one and i was like wait where are the cameras i'm like this isn't this is an exhibition and i was like what they do this all the time like almost kill themselves cool i'm really fascinated too.

Back in those days when it was the territories, like John Darnell from the Mountain Goats has this famous story I love where he grew up in Southern California and hated Roddy Piper. Roddy Piper was like the biggest asshole, the enemy of the Guerrero family. And then he went to visit his dad up in Portland, Oregon

and he took him to wrestling matches and they introduced Roddy Piper and John was ready to like boo his head off and everybody started cheering. Because in Portland, they were just running a different storyline. But because there was no national TV, it was like,

you can be like actually causing riots in LA through your like bad guy heel, anti-Mexican rants. And then up in Portland, you are like a beloved hero, pillar of the community. They love you. It's not even that far away.

Yeah, they might not have had to change the storyline that much. Yeah, I was going to say, in Oregon, you can give them Portland's background. That's true. That is true. Yeah. You are somebody who I've always been interested

to hear talk about kind of regionalisms. I think it was on Beautiful Anonymous you talked about just weird New Jersey. Early on, that always got me fascinated. That site is pretty incredible. I worked for them. For anyone who doesn't know, that's a magazine about sort of like

ghosts and local legends in Jersey. I worked for them for four or five years in my early 20s, and it's the best job I will ever have.'s called weird new jersey yeah yeah and it started out as a fan zine and it just kind of kept getting more and more cult access in jersey and then it eventually a lot of people if you've been to like a barnes and noble you may know that like i wound up writing a book called weird new york and then they did weird us and then all these different states it became this like coffee table book series but the beating heart of it has always been this kind I wound up writing a book called Weird New York, and then they did Weird U.S., and then all these different states.

It became this coffee table book series. But the beating heart of it has always been this kind of underground fanzine in New Jersey. And I was very, very lucky to find it when I did. And I encountered some situations that were truly foolish and terrifying. And I can't believe it was a gig. And it sort of helped me realize going on to be in entertainment, I always felt like it was one of these things that gave me a little bit of an advantage where I was like,

there's all these rules here, but I also know that you might be able to make a healthy living off of a fanzine about New Jersey-based ghosts. I never felt the total need to buy in on the system side of things. They're a big part of why. And I do think there's something about New Jersey that's like a click up in terms of just weirdness.

I don't know. Maybe through your research into New York, you found that wasn't true. Oh, it totally is. Yeah, my family has a story that my grandma and my aunt, when my aunt a child broke down on the i think it was jersey turnpike it might have been like another highway around there but like by the pine barrens and a guy just came out of the pines with a hammer and was attacking the car and they had to like run there back then like the way you called for help was there was a phone every quarter mile. Oh, a call box?

Yeah. Yeah, a call box. And so they were running back and forth to the call box while this guy kept running out of the pines with a hammer, just covered in mud, trying to attack their car. Classic pineys. They called them pineys, the people who kind of live within the Pine Barrens and do their own thing. the pine barrens and do their own thing and my friend group i sadly was not there this particular night but my friend group has this story from high school that we all still say this phrase to each other where they were going to see some punk show in a place called browns mills new jersey which we were north jersey kids the pine barrens that was like you know like trying to go to mordor to

us it didn't make sense and like no gps back then right they got super lost and they pulled into this shady looking gas station that like looked like it was off a movie set in the middle of the pine barrens and this guy comes out and they just go uh hey can you help us out like how do you get to brown's mills and the guy just took a deep breath and turned and just turned to them and inexplicably went how do you get to Browns Mills? And they just hit the gas and peeled out and got out of there. They're like, this South

Jersey, I'm there and nonsense. What was that? Haunted sea captain shit. Still certain friends in my life where if I want to make them laugh, I'll just go, how do you get to Brownsville? What is something you guys think is overrated?

This is actually what we were prepared for. Okay. This question. Shitting. Shitting. I did have one actually thought about last night. I did not tell you though actually thought about it last night. I did not tell you though. Oh, damn.

But hopefully you agree with this. Okay, picnics. Because, I mean, every time I eat outside, I think you get, usually there's a lot of bees. I should have talked to Anna about this one. No, I'm sorry. What you're hearing is that I'm captivated and I'm enamored constantly. And I'm constantly impressed by you and so this kind of goes into that because I hear you and even though I haven't

heard you say these words before I go I'm right there with her I am right I am right there that's why this works over overrated yeah because there's ants because there's ants and there's bees and it's just I don't I think it's hard to eat comfortably outside can i even add yes dining al fresco i know it's a it's a it's a necessary evil at this point and i know some people are like look it's like portugal or whatever i don't like when people walk by and look at my food i feel too exposed don't look at my food it's private okay yeah i wish i could i don't like dining alfresco i don't like a picnic i just don't like eating outside can you okay can you bear eating outside if it were a place that isn't like a high trafficked foot area like it's just a section that is dining

outside but i get because like i was eating outside for the first time recently and it was like one of those sidewalk adjacent things and you're like oh man like this person on the fucking bird scooter almost knocked over the fucking water station it was like a nightmare exactly i don't like that level of like scrutiny from the street it should be up for discussion i don't need even a facial opinion you know what it really for me this comes from i'll say a trauma i know we're throwing the word trauma around a lot nowadays, but I was eating in San Francisco, Fisherman's Wharf, already huge mistake. I'm eating a lobster bisque. I took a chance on a soup that I wasn't previously

acquainted with. The soup was... Bread bowl? It's a bread bowl, but I'll be very honest with everybody here. The soup was green. It was a green lobster bisque. It's not your average looking bisque. I understand. But people were walking by and really looking into my soup in a way that no you know i'm already facing this i'm suffering

the consequences of my soup okay right i don't need added okay i know that's not what you were talking about originally yeah but i'm happy you added to what i said you really got me going on it really helped me you really got my answer oh we're coming back to you kyle oh no don't you worry i like the name alfresco i think that's fun yeah alfresco is a nice name for name your kid or yeah al fresco al fresco maybe you get a second dog yeah i got a second dog i'll name al fresco i like when shaky's pizza in glendale was trying to do alfresco dining shaky's pizza in glendale oh they had a sign briefly in the pandemic that said but you know come come do shaky's alfresco and it was just a parking lot in glendale yeah yeah that's a that's a bit of a mismatch like linguistically when you're like shaky's alfresco you're like no hold

on hold on let's just be like y'all can eat in the parking lot now that feels like more on point because we're there for the mojos let's be real absolutely but Kyle you said are you are you like with bees and stuff I know you said you don't like the the the picnic I get it I'm with somebody who hates bees and when they get stung like it's a fucking problem so is it do you have like a real aversion to bees are you just in general like and i don't like sitting on the ground your ass gets wet sometimes because the grass the moisture seeps through and then suddenly you got wet but i don't like any of this like we're just to help me understand where you're coming wow thank you for also helping my answer

no i'm like i'm just trying to make sure we're on the same page no we're on the same page i think i do have an aversion to bees. I mean, but I mean, who doesn't? I mean, when you see a bee, you're not going to be like, like, start running and try to get away from the bee. It's like, but I mean, I think growing up, it's like I always go to these picnics and it's like there'd be so many bees. And it's just not I just don't want to get stung. You know, I know there's a problem with the bees. like there'd be so many bees and it's just not i just don't want to get stung you know i know there's a problem with the bees so no offense to no offense no offense to bees because right i think

going in stinks so i'm not trying to hate they're going through it but i just don't they're going through it and you know like i respect that and go girl we've all been there girl i'm sorry i'm sorry it's okay it's okay but i just don't want i just don't like them you know my space you got your space i got my space the degree to which like my behavior was shaped by early bee stings like just i never would walk outside without shoes on because i stepped on a bee like once when i was four years old the i feel like i've been guided by bee stings then i just got stung by a bee for the first time in like 20 years over the weekend by a dead bee i was picking up some picking up a big clump of leaves and there was a dead bee in there and it stung my fingy

and it really yeah i don't know how long how long ago it's been since you guys got stung but those still hurt but that's one thing that hasn't gone away about the bees they're still bastards i still feel like there is there's this idea like yo man like once you're like 20 man a bee sting doesn't yeah and then like i i too had a bee sting like for the first time since like high school a few years ago. And I was like, ah, it was so fucked. Like it fucked me up so bad. And then I was so mad at myself. I was like, your pain threshold should be high.

What the fuck happened to you, man? But I learned to live with the bee stings. And now, Jack, you won't go outside with without gloves now. Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's why I'm wearing these two sparkly michael jackson gloves but i early from of mice and men type thing we then like went swimming at our uh neighbor's house and every time a bee got in the pool i like made everyone get out until i like fish it out i was like really like fucked up in a whistle thing yeah

everyone spotted another one this is bullshit you think getting swallowed by a whale is bad try getting stung by a swimming bee wow

what uh what's something you think is underrated I this might be sacrilege to say but I think um

listening to anything other than podcasts is underrated and I cannot tell you how consistently it feels like a miracle I think listening to anything other than podcasts is underrated. And I cannot tell you how consistently it feels like a miracle whenever I just like remember that I can listen to something other than a podcast. Yeah. You know, like music. Oh, my God.

Like, who would have thought? This is amazing. You know, or like audio books. I mean, I listen to a ton of audio books, but I just I mean, I work in this industry. It's what I do. I mean, I listen to a ton of audio books, but I just, I mean, I work in this industry. It's what I do. I love podcasts, but, but like, there's just something magical about giving my ears something else to listen to. And I, and it feels like fresh and new every time. Yeah. Yeah. That's my, my, my search constantly is for new music because that's like the one dragon I keep chasing is like, when you just hear like a new artist or like a new album or that

you're like, where was this my whole life yeah and that to me is like some of the the that's what the juice of life is but yeah i find myself really leaning into that although i've been the audiobook pendulum has been swinging very aggressively back into my life again so yeah i listen i would say the majority of what i listen to that's not music is audiobooks instead of podcasts. Hit me with a good audio book that you've read. I'm listening to A Brief History of Seven Killings. Have you heard that? Marlon James.

Yeah, yeah. Or read that? I have read that with my ears. Yeah, there you go. And really well read. Yeah. But brilliant book. I will say, of course, to undercut myself, Marlon James also hosts a really good podcast. So there you go. You can go listen. He does this amazing thing. I forget what it's

called, but it's a podcast that he hosts with his editor and they just have an amazing relationship. And it's the kind of thing that I feel like a really good novelist and their longtime editor have a type of relationship that's probably unique in the world, right? And so they have that and they just talk about books they love, but it's, you know, it's really based around their chemistry, but it's like so open. And I mean, I wouldn't, I don't know. I've been people's editor and I've had editors. I don't know if I would ever have those like really honest, open conversations, knowing that then at some point, I'm going to have to, you know, send them my work and they're going to have to tear it apart.

Right. I don't know. But it's a it's a really great it's a really great podcast. So underrated is his podcast. I know. I know. Somehow somehow came back to recommending a podcast after all this. Miles, what do you what do you what audio book?

My Life in Red and White by the former manager of Arsenal, Arsene Wenger, and it was narrated by him as well. And he just has a fantastic perspective on life and soccer, football, as it were. And I think for a lot of fans of Arsenal, myself included, like there are a lot of things that happened during his tenure that he never really spoke about with much depth. He wasn't really always like giving like the most sort of open interviews, but in this book, he's able to really speak about how he saw player management. Like he, you know, he like has a background as an economist and that factored heavily into how he even like managed trades and things like that. So there are moments as fans are like, well, why would he trade this person? Or like, what's going on? Like, why, what's,

why don't we keep these people? And then you find out like sort of from from his perspective so it's a nice like sort of post mortem on his time there and his voice is just you know classic miles do you do you know that show desert island discs that bbc show it's i've heard of it yeah it's like been running for like 80 some years now but it's basically a guest talks about the five or eight records they would take with them onto a desert island but it's sort of an excuse to talk about but he did one of my favorite desert island discs oh really recent memory if not of all time it's just phenomenal so go check it out but yeah he's he's got a great voice yeah and very thoughtful guy and you know yeah i'm not an arsenal fan but i i admire him yeah change the game and now he's now he's wrapped up in fifa

so he can't really even speak scathingly of this body that is probably actually ruining the game. But, you know, that's that's how they get you. I can give a anti recommendation for a audio book. Don't get this one. You should get it. But just don't do what I did. I fell asleep listening to Blood Meridian. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. You don't want fell asleep listening to Blood Meridian. Oh, no, no, no, no.

The other night. Oh, boy. No, no, no, no. And then I was like, why am I so anxious today? And yeah, it was because Blood Meridian was dancing. Visions of Blood Meridian were dancing through my head. I thought it would give me some insight into, we need to know about Texas now as they're about to descend into an apocalyptic post-electricity hellscape. I was like, let's get into this Blood Meridian

I've been hearing so much about. Yeah, that's fucked up. Who narrates it? I don't know who narrates it. Okay. I just did the autobiography of Malcolm X narrated by Lawrence Fishburne. And that was fucking amazing. Narrators can do so much.

But Jody, just based on your podcast, I was curious if there are any like esoteric moments in history or esoteric kind of trends in history that you think are kind of underrated in terms of understanding the current zeitgeist and kind of modern America? I'm sure there's a ton, but like, yeah, anyone that sticks out to you? Yeah, it's an interesting question. I mean, you know, I. I try and be open, you know, part of this is like you bring a lens of your own. And so I'm one of these people who often I kind of feel like every story is a media story. And so, you know, I just feel like in every conversation we have at some point, it comes down to just the like radical transformation in media that goes back further than maybe, you know, Fox News came around in the early 2000s or in the 90s. But, you know, and my co-host, Nicole Hammer of Studies, wrote an amazing book called Messengers on the Right and wrote, you know, and studies a lot how especially the GOP came to really radicalize around new media in the, you know, 60s, 70s,s 80s 90s but that's that's the kind of thing that i always feel like doesn't get right you know it doesn't get rated properly it's just the way in which we've just been fractured intentionally by a changing media landscape uh so there's just all sorts of stories of people

who were doing stuff in the 50s and 60s and 70s where you're like oh that's the blueprint that we're just seeing right now you know right facebook's just facebook's just the latest iteration of of you know the way in which it just took all the breaks off yeah exactly exactly yeah i mean it was interesting jill lapore on your most recent episode was talking about how the current culture wars are basically the modern like leftovers from the uh cold war not the leftovers but no it's basically they kept the cold war going by attacking left-wing politics within america yeah i had i actually you know when she said that it was i first time i'd ever heard anyone really frame it that way a lot of people

been like you know but basically she said you know and this is the brilliance of jill laporte was just a sort of like tossed off comment but she was like you know, and this is the billions of Jill Lepore is just a sort of like tossed off comment. But she was like, you know, when we quote unquote won the Cold War, all the moves were still there. And so we just turned those inwards and we started fighting the Cold War with each other. And I was like, oh, right. Yes, that makes sense. Yeah. But yeah, it was it was a very good insight. Yeah. Very cool. All right. Well, we're going to take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about culture wars. Well, we are going to take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about culture wars. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victim of an assassin today. And these are the only two times we know of that a woman has tried to assassinate a U.S. president. One was the protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other,

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was just ready to hate him. But Biden looks exactly like their majority racist viewership. So now they, and I think also his policies are pretty popular, right? Well, yeah, I mean, they don't, remember they didn't want to talk about the stimulus because people were like, yeah, I need money from the government.

Are you kidding me? I'm not working right now. So they're like, talk about Mr. Potato Head. Now they have to talk about Mr. Potato Head, Dr. Seuss, and the big one these days is now critical race theory. Yeah. And it's completely like you said.

We're in a whole new environment where they can't even focus on even the low hanging fruit, which would be like, what is Joe Biden actually done from his campaign promises? Because I would if you're looking for something to be critical of, that's something you could go down a list and be like, well, where is that student debt relief? Where was that that weird math where twenty one hundred certainly turned into a different amount of stimulus money. But now it's critical race theory. And we've talked about before how this has been a conscious effort to create this like outrage over it. And the numbers, I think, are starting to show that this is very clear. Fox News mentioned critical race theory five hundred fifty two times in the previous 11 months. And then it ramped up in the last three

which there's another number that's like over 600 and it's only gotten more and more last week they've shoehorned it into coverage 125 times in five days and then so then you see we've seen all their coverage or a lot of coverage in the media of this has been, you know, people in Florida or Texas, like governors and legislators trying to be like, we got to stop teaching this or like scenes of like outraged, like racist parents at these school board meetings. We like don't teach them history. What is this? It's destroying us. And yeah, the biggest thing that's just the biggest miss of all of this, at least in the reporting, is that, first of all, it's a decades old academic discipline. But on top of it, this is taught at the And yeah, I think the more you you hear what how people talk about it, you're like, do they even know what this is? Or this is just the new dog whistle that can play a bunch of different tunes. Right. Didn't like one of them was one of the conservative politicians was asked to describe like what critical race theory is. And the person whose last name is Pringle, appropriately enough, said, yeah, from it basically teaches that certain children are inherently bad people because of the color of their skin, period.

Huh? That's a lot to unpack. From whose perspective? These people, when they were doing the training programs and the government, if you don't buy into what they taught you 100%, they sent you away to a re-education camp. What do you mean? The white male executives are sent to a three-day re-education camp where they were told that their white male culture wasn't there. Okay, let's stop him there.

Sir, are you okay? Because this is like just hearing that in the wake of the uprisings last summer, there were companies saying like, we need racial sensitivity training because there are clear blind spots from a corporate culture that need to be addressed yeah and then this is now turned into their what they're fucking their heads are bagged and they're thrown into a fucking van and then driven like to the dark side of town for like have their eyes peeled open to watch like a bunch of fucking rap videos i don't know what the fuck they think this is and it goes on still like the other like attacks are people saying quote minority students are going to suffer the most from this when you teach students that the system is against them they have no motivation to learn they are not going to try to work they are not going to try to improve themselves

wow seinfeld was doing that part it sounded like what are you talking about they're not gonna prove themselves he says i mean this whole idea that it's like oh thank you the savior person for saving me from being defeated by acknowledging that i'm surviving in a racist construct like what what exactly is the concern there and i think this has been going it's just gaining more and more momentum but i think this is the part where? And I think this has been going, it's just gaining more and more momentum. But I think this is the part where you really see what it's all about. Because underneath it, it's just like the other threats are that it will lead kids to Marxism. And this is the last thing that this guy Pringle said.

He said, quote, this is still the greatest country that ever, ever been in the history of the world. OK. And the radical left is trying to destroy that and tear us apart and divide this country based on race and class which is exactly what they do in communist countries uh-huh i don't so you don't so you don't know what communism is either okay cool god damn they love comparing things to like concentration camps and like just implying did you see that what's her face marjorie whatever yeah i was just gonna say like as one of them is apologizing for comparing masks to uh yeah she's

like i had no idea like was she not also it took you 40 years to go to a holocaust museum like yeah were you not taught that was she not taught that and this is why we need better education because she didn't know what the holocaust was and then she's like y'all i you not taught that? Was she not taught that? And this is why we need better education, because she didn't know what the Holocaust was. And then she's like, y'all, I was just in that museum. It happened. Have you guys fucked up? She literally said, hey, it happened.

Are you, what? Where did she start? I saw this TikTok the other day, where this Republican lady was complaining about the Quaker Oats guy on the canister and was like, if we're going to change Aunt Jemima,

we should get rid of this slave owner on this can of oats. And someone was like, that's not a slave owner. That's a Quaker. That's a completely different... That's not a slave owner. They weren't into that.

Nobody knows what they're talking about right yeah i mean and i think even with that marjorie taylor green comment it's like it just shows you how much of a threat these kinds of people are when this is their worldview and then they enter the halls of congress to you know drum up legislation that is trying to reinforce their worldview where maybe the holocaust i don't know i don't know terrifying really fucked up were you there were you there yeah yeah exactly that's like her it's so i went to like a shitty public school in michigan and i know about the holocaust like at the very least. Right. I know what it is. Or maybe you didn't have parents at home that were saying, you know, it didn't happen.

Deniers or something, right. I don't know what they're teaching you. Right. In eighth grade, we took a trip to D.C. I may have told this story before. Before we were going into the Holocaust Museum, our teachers, before we got off the bus, said, hey, I just want to let you know, we got a letter from a parent that said that the holocaust never happened and that they didn't want they didn't want your classmate in to go to this museum oh my god i just want to let all of you know i'm not going to say who it is but i just want to let you know that there are people who are going to deny what all of the things you are

about to see in this museum and it was really poignant wow it was like it was like everyone's like yo what the fuck and i'm growing in la we're like we saw schindler's list it was best picture you know what i mean but like then we go in and that was sort of wow that was my first time even hearing that people were like what do you but that shit happened like what are you talking i didn't know i didn't know about holocaust deniers until maybe like 10 years ago. I had no idea it was a thing. Right. Yeah.

All right. Very cool. Cool time. We live in. Marjorie Taylor Greene. What a threat. All right. Let's talk about hunts for leaks.

This is just a story we see all the time. We kind of got a taste for it during the Trump administration when like a story would come out that was based on a leak or a whistleblower. And then we would get to hear about like Trump kind of trying to ferret out the leak. And also he would tweet. He would give us like a live look into window into his brain as he like was being furious about it. And then we kind of learned that you think that like reporters were like you think this is bad obama was like worse he like was really aggressive about going after anybody who leaked and just like digging through their emails and

shit and now that is a big part of the story about you know the pro-publica story that we just talked about earlier last week where they leaked the tax records of individual billionaires you know they instead of it being like here are 50 anonymous people who are the richest in america they were like no you get to see who these people are because that is how we understand stories is like via these characters and like they are making themselves celebrities so we are going to use that to make our point and i think it was really important reporting and now the story that's being told in the mainstream is like they're hunting down the leaker uh the irs has like referred it to the fbi and i don't know just generally in reality when you accuse someone of something

and their response is who told you that and then making the entire argument about who told you that um that's usually like a pretty good sign that that person is doing something wrong. What you heard is accurate to a certain extent. But for some reason, unless it's being done by the Trump administration, this hasn't really hit our brains as an evil thing that becomes the focus of our attention. I think that it's also like a lot of these billionaires must be mad at certain other billionaires because they're not even i can't help but feel like there's something to be said for like oh elon musk is going to host snl

and then jeff bezos is going to announce he's launching himself into space oh yeah like yeah there's very little sympathy for me right now about these people's privacy rights if i'm being honest like it's gonna be hard for me to go like well i would hate it if my tax info got out there like yeah but i also don't you know dominate the american economy and fight unionization and launch myself into orbit like i don't do that either so yeah i'm not gonna worry too much about how who leaked that you know but i bet that you got like warren buffett sitting around going like i play it cool i shouldn't like these a lot of these people spend a lot of time and money staying directly out of the spotlight that makes it um so enjoyable to want them to get taken down they'd prefer we didn't know this. They must be looking at Elon going,

get the fuck off of live TV. What's wrong with you? Stay off of Twitter. You're making it hot for the rest of the drug dealers, essentially. Exactly. That is, it is interesting. It's kind of become a new strategy of like, like billionaires used to,

I guess they didn't used to lay low. They used to like buy colleges and name them after themselves. So they've always liked having their name out there. But it just seems like the trying to chase celebrity, probably having more PR dollars spent on their own personal image than most companies, I'm sure. That seems to be a new angle. And the thing that they've arrived on is go to space man people people think that shit's cool and at least a college is like i'll

put my name on this thing and other people go and learn there and then there's ari's level you'll learn like right you know like these billionaire industrialists back in the day where it's like i'm gonna build grand central station because i want i want my city's train station to be better than anybody else it's like you're still building a public service thing it's like dude you're just gonna go like read cue cards on nbc television and like smirk about it and none of us are even sure how much of what you do is real man like right yeah i'm not gonna feel too bad when somebody's like check out the dirt i got on these people. It's hitting a breaking point, you know? And it's actually just really scary because it's like, they're going to go after the leakers,

but it's not like anything changed after the Panama Papers either. And it's just, you've got to sit here and you wonder, oh, it's like, it really does feel like this is not going to change. They're not going to opt out of this. Like, it's going to need to be taken away from them. And at that point, you're talking about like oh is there gonna have to be like an actual like revolution against billionaires because it seems like they're getting a lot of chances to go at least put in a token effort to give some of this stuff back you know right it feels that way

and i think until like culturally we we shift away from just being like, Oh, having a lot of money is good and cool. It will always have like this love affair with like people who like have just, Oh, could you imagine that? So cool. I have so much money. Like you don't even know what to do with it. And I think slowly, I think more and more look more and more people look at billionaires and go, no, they're that's, that's bad. This they're hoard hoarding the wealth and that's why there's a lot of people are lacking is because these people a don't pay their fair share and they're just concentrating all their wealth off of the backs of the people that work for them um and i think until we can like shift culture for like a billionaire or a millionaire you know some like hyper wealthy

person to show up like on a screen in a sitcom and people don't go, Oh, for right. And they start going, Oh my God, it's a fucking evil doer. Like that. That's I think the important shift that has to take place at some point, at least in popular culture.

Right. I feel like some of these guys are really starting to come off to me. Like if Willy Wonka didn't any candy. And it's like, and now you're just a psycho. You're just like a psycho in crazy clothes with like a weird warehouse full of experiments. Right. And you don't even share the candy. Like we don't even do that. He does the golden ticket thing, but he keeps them all for himself and then just makes a big deal about how much candy he can eat. He's like, damn, I got each one.

Huh. Who would have thought? Yeah. And just makes a big deal about how much candy he can eat. It's like, damn, I got each one. Huh? Yeah. I mean, to your point, Chris, I think the the message of this leak is obviously the rules are broken. Right. Like it's so like there is the CNBC segment that was embedded in one of the articles about how like the IRS is hunting these people down. And the CNBC anchor was like, it's not tax evasion, it's tax avoidance. I don't see what the big deal is. And one of the people, I think it was Jim Cramer actually, on the panel was like, they're going to be mad at me, but I think these billionaires need to pay more money.

And they're like, what are you talking about? How are you going to do that? They're not booking the money, but like they just can't think beyond where they're refusing. Yeah. They're refusing. Yeah. They suck.

The rules are bad. That system is broken. And to be fair, how are you going to make them book it? I called him out before, like in a joke, but I think Warren Buffett is the one who has gone on record and said like, would they absolutely

should change the law so we can stop doing this and i think he's been like yeah i do it because it's not illegal but it should be legal i think it was warren buffett who's been like that's right guys like if 20 of us all that's the thing that's so maddening for the rest of us right like i've been very lucky i've a couple years ago i had a couple years i did really well and i have some breathing room now i'm not doing as well and i sit and i stressed about that but i'm very very lucky and even i sit here and i go man it really is about 20 to 30 people that if they just like if they cut the shit to a degree that they wouldn't even notice it would take so much stress off the rest of us i'm not even saying take i'm not even saying own up to it to do it to a degree that it will affect your life it will not affect your life you'll only own 40 of american commerce instead of 43 that other

three percent will help so many other people get like braces for their kids and shit like that's what's infuriating it's like you could find a middle ground where these assholes are still getting away with so much and and it erases human suffering and they don't do it and it's weird to say but i'm like that's for as gross as like you know the carnegies and and the rockefellers where at least they did go and build big train stations for the rest of us. And was it so that they could jerk themselves off in the mirror? Yeah, sure. But they did do something for the rest of us.

Right. Yeah, absolutely. But Bezos is doing something for the rest of us, and that is going to space and showing us anything is possible. With a loan from your parents. Yeah. Let's take a quick break, and we'll talk about that in a second. loan from your parents. Yeah. Let's take a quick break and we'll talk about that in a second. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly

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and if you could actually start the video for me that would be can you play it put the thing to my ear psychic here but so i think they just did a really good job of presenting the information that skeptics are trying to get across so the videos that they're particularly debunking are the tic-tac videos like the one where the people are like, Whoa, like we locked onto it. We got it. And the person doing the debunking is a former video game programmer who

therefore has tons of experience doing 3d modeling. And like, so has a really good sense of like perspective and like what something would look like and he points out that like broadly for the same reason that biden jimmy carter picture looked so wild the lens yeah just like perspective and lens distortion that the tic tacs only look like they're moving extremely fast and he said that like if you look at all of the information that's contained in the video, it is actually probably way up in the sky.

The actual Tic Tac is way up in the sky. It looks like it's speeding over the water. And I think I got this right, but I think he's saying that the horizon of the water but and i think i got this right but i'm he i think he's saying that the horizon of the water is actually in the foreground and the tic-tac is like beyond it and so as it's moving slowly it looks like it's speeding over the water and it's it's not it's just moving so what is it seeing then he's basically saying that it's moving the speed of like when you look at how high up it is, that's how fast the wind moves at that level, like with this perspective shift. And he also said it's because it's a black, white, infrared targeting camera and it's on a black hot setting that the fact that it's white just means that it's extremely cold and so he's saying that it's probably and this is like the standard answer

for all uaps or ufos a weather balloon but like that that makes sense it's big enough to like see at a distance to like create weird perspective distortion and it would kind of look like a tic tac at that distance and the reason that it's like kind of fucking with everybody who looks at it is because the we're looking at it through a camera that is extremely classified that you've like never seen anything through it's like a targeting i think it's made by raytheon and it's like a targeting camera that is super powerful and we don't typically see video from those targeting cameras so it's just like not something we're used to looking at so i you know he he definitely presents a compelling case And so my thing is that the Tic Tac has never been the most compelling thing for me.

It's more the eyewitness testimony of that fighter pilot and the two fighter pilots who were in the same plane. And for that, their explanation just seems to be like, there are people who believe in UFOs who work in the military and like are lying basically and that's so we got all these boring ass tech we still have these boring ass jets and propulsion systems and shit yeah exactly i did an episode of a podcast with jason pargin recently from the executive editor from back when i was at cracked and he's he's both interested in like paranormal stuff but also like fully skeptical so i was i've been like oh we got to get you on to like talk about the tic tacs and first of all he didn't know what i was talking about but then when i further explained he was like oh that story's so annoying just because

like someone knows how to fly a plane doesn't mean they're not completely full of shit which i was like huh i guess i can like he's basically saying like there there are people in the pentagon and in the air force who just are lying who want to launch is lying so that's the thing the long or whatever we know that 182 don't don't lie so that's the one thing that we can kind of point to but yeah i don't know i still i don't think this like fully debunks it i just think it in terms of the tic-tac videos i think it is a plausible explanation definitely brings my enthusiasm down a little bit uh But I'm also like, I'll always, you know, I'll always believe the truth is out there. So that's just me. Yeah.

So the thing that I kind of objected to about the this podcast called like the skeptic podcast or something, they dismiss the people who like think this stuff is interesting as just being people who like want to have some inside information and like seem smart and i i don't i think that's like not giving it enough credence like i think that's that's how that's what i used to say when i was just like assuming that like we know everything there is to know and uh anything else is stupid and people need to shut up like i feel like it's just too dismissive i'm not really i'm always interested interested in people who actively want aliens to exist like what why like i need it i need it why are you so passionate yeah what do you need it for? I have the perspective of like, I'm always open to acknowledging that there's things we just don't know.

Just in general, as like a human being, like, let's try to have that mindset to be open to like learning things and not be so like that there are absolutes in terms of like what we can or can't know. And so, yeah, so I think in those instances i'm like oh shit maybe but i'm definitely not like come on like i cashed out my 401k and i'm going uh uab hunting or uab hunting or whatever uap hunting uab you're not looking for it alabama birmingham yeah there's uab hunting exactly i think it i like there's a spiritual aspect to my wanting to believe in it like the same. I think it's akin to people wanting to believe in gods or higher powers. Jesus. OK, so your religion is UFOs is what you're saying.

I'm not saying that's my religion. And it's also, we saw a lot of the really interest and belief in UFOs going up as people became, I think, if they are friendly aliens who are just deciding not to kill us, which it seems like they could if they had this technology, then we are on a progressive path towards being. Oh, so you want just to believe in the universe. I want to believe in the Star Trek version of the universe where they're just like they're not quite there yet. But like once they stop killing each other, then we can let them into the club. What if we're just on a germ rock that's utterly fucked? Yeah. This is big news. I didn't know Jack was part of the alien church.

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