The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 188 (Best of 8/9/21-8/13/21)

Episode Date: August 15, 2021

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Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laugh stravaganza. So without further ado, here is the weekly Zeitgeist. Please welcome one of my favorite guests, Lydia Popovich! Pow pow! Pow pow pow! Wow, what an intro! Oh my god. It's so rare that somebody introduces me and really gets it, you know what I mean? And really understands the crux of my personality, which truly is guns, Dolly Parton, and weed. And 90 Day Fiancé too.

And 90 Day Fiancé, oof, don't get me started on that. We're all intersecting today i need a family i need a family crest you know what i mean which is like a big wig a big blunt and like an ak and then like a television set and maybe like some fries like that i think that's like just all the way we've just met but uh maybe i'm in love with you i don't know it might be happening i might be falling right now. Oh, I get it. It's a wig draped on top of a television set, and underneath are like two crossed guns. Even better. Like that kind of thing.

Even better. With like nachos and french fries just crowded around it. Oh my goodness. I'd love to see it. What's new, Lydia? Man, you know, not a lot in that every day. You know how it works? Yeah. That's all it works? Yeah.

I've been, since we last talked, I've been continuing my quest to be chill, my quest just to settle in, my quest to give as little fucks as possible about things that don't impact my life directly. Doppel-tizing Miss Dolly Parton, trying to get the word out. That is one of my main purposes on this life, in addition to making people laugh, is making sure that everybody understands and realizes that Dolly Parton will change your life and that you need at least a sliver of her magic in your world to shine on your face that you know that everything's going to be okay. Because she is a living, breathing, walking angel on this earth, blessing us with gifts every day, even when you don't know it. Dolly Parton is doing something for you.

You know what I mean? I got a new tattoo. Oh, wait you don't know it. Dolly Parton is doing something for you. You know what I mean? Dolly Parton. This is my brand new tattoo. I love it. Wait, what does it say? What would Dolly do? Oh, wow. And then it's got a cowboy rope with two stars.

But it's titties. It is. Evoking the breasts. Oh, wonderful. How long did that take? How long did it take for that tattoo? Actually, it was pretty quick. It was like maybe an hour, hour and 15.

Yeah. David's cooking with gas. Yeah. Okay. Handsome Sweets out of Nashville. He's amazing. Check him out. Welcome Taste Nashville.

He's amazing. Great, great, great tattoo artist. Yeah. Erin, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Okay. This one's juicy. Are you two ready? I hope so. This really explains my entire life in one click of a search history.

Is that something? I don't know. I haven't had enough coffee. Okay, this happened like last night, but again, I searched it again this morning. I searched the sentence, is Samantha Kerr and Christy Mewis dating? Yes! Wow. Because, now if you don't know who those women are, get ready to have your mind blown.

Samantha Kerr is the Australian women's national team best player, football, soccer. Soccer, but over there they call it football. Who cares? Christy Mewis made our U.S. women's national team this year. She's a phenomenal NWSL player. And icing on the cake, her sister plays. Samantha Mewis. So it's like this amazing dream team sister soccer.

So last night, I'm just doing my olympic you know recount just to make to make sure i've got i mean i've just literally watched olympics 24 hours a day for the last two and a half weeks it was just the greatest thing ever just crying crying crying feel good feel good feel good yeah you know cheering for everybody i'm not like the u.s you know just crying crying crying everyone's getting second time gold medal gold medal gold medal china china china then i stumble on a picture of samantha of christy muis no idea she was gay maybe she's not maybe she just likes ladies this week i don't care samantha kerr big homo i'm a big homo so i can say that they're kissing they released it on Instagram.

And Aaron Foley's mind was blown. Blown. So, what, I mean, what do we do with this? Were you even shipping them before? Did this just blow you up? Because you're like, I don't even, I didn't even think this was happening. First of all, Samantha Kerr has had a long-term partner. They have a kid together.

I don't know how this is going to work logistically. Oh, gosh. Oh, boy. Oh, goodness. Then I didn't even know they broke up. Then they broke up. Christy Mews, I mean, she just looked so straight to me. So I was like, then my mind was blown,

which is so stupid to say because who looks gay and straight? But you know what I mean? As a lesbian, you're like, that one's a lesbian. You're like, I know, I know. Christy Mews did not see that one coming. So'm so happy right now we've got like this cross samantha curry is like just a dream sequence on the soccer field i fear her the most when we play australia yeah so the fact that they're dating right isn't that the matildas yeah i'm just so happy for them i'm cheering for them and it just like the world getting a little gayer. It just makes me so happy.

Yeah. Real life L word drama here. This is exciting. Do you think under the surface, do you think that there's, you know, you said she has a partner who she has a, like they're raising a child together with? Like, do we know the timing? Is it messy? Is it sloppy? Is it?

I don't, I don't, I don't know. I hope it's all okay. That's where my trash TV brain comes in. I'm like, tell me it's a mess. It's women. So it's probably a little bit of a mess. Light mess. I used to have this thing where, you know, like it's all like, you know, it was an old joke, but really it's based on, based on the truth.

Like men, you know, they just run, gay men just's based on but based on the truth like men you know they just run gay men just run into a bar and stick it in right but women like our app would be called like on the verge where you got an update of two women on the verge of breaking up because lesbians are single for 35 seconds and then you swoop down and i'm like a bird of prey and you just pick one up from the house. Yeah. All that checks out. So, right. So, it should be called rotting flesh, right? If you guys are these carrion birds, then it's like.

Ah, there. On the verge of more positive miles. Yeah, I'm sorry. The rotting flesh. That's where my grinder mind comes in. Where I'm like, grinder. You know what I mean? I'm like, what about rotting flesh?

What about necrotic tissue? Let's go not on Grindr. Yeah, yeah. Okay. We'll get to know. Right. I feel like it's a little messy. They're swooping in.

So I feel like they were both single for 35 seconds. I'm going to say there's probably, I'm going to vote for messy. I don't know. But if I was betting, I'd say I'd bet on a mess. Appropriate pun considering Lionel Messi, big in the news also. So sad. Shout out to the mess. Shout out to Paris for getting that guy. Yeah. I mean, shout out to them for flouting every financial fair play rule there is to be like, we have Neymar, Mbappe, now we have Messi. Don't ask how we can afford it. Okay.

Unimportant. Yeah. We'll just put one of our board members on the head of the club council and you wait for it and then maybe they'll just sort of, I don't know, I don't ask how we can afford it okay yeah we'll just put one of our board members on the head of the uh club council and you wait and then maybe they'll just start i don't know i don't know i don't know that's what it is super group yeah definitely a super group what is something you think is overrated okay i'm gonna use this as like a personal manifesto moment for a second i'm gonna i'm gonna try to put this into the zeitgeist. The 12-foot skeleton is overrated. Wow. Because I want one.

And I don't... Okay. Was I at a Home Depot yesterday and I saw it in the rafters and I asked, hey, can I have that? And they would not give it to me. Yes. They've been delivered at the Home Depots, but they haven't been on the floor they're not on the floor yet so i thought you meant like you saw creeping around on the ceiling

oh you don't want that that's bill he used to work here now he haunts the rafters rafters like some uh phantom of the opera show yeah so i'm putting it out there 12 foot skeleton is overrated it is it's hacked don't get it especially at the glendale home depot don't even try to go there and sweet talk a manager into giving it to you early not gonna work no it's bullshit it's stupid bank one by the five freeway i hear hear they're plumb out of them. But anyway. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

You've been pretty consistent with your love of 12-foot skeleton, if I recall correctly, no? I love them so much. There's one in my neighborhood nearby that they dress it up for a different costume for every holiday all year long. It's so funny. Oh, it's a consistent skeleton display? Yeah, it's just been consistently up all year long it's so funny it's a consistent skeleton it's a consistent yeah it's just been consistently up all year it's so funny looking it brightens my day every time i see it me and my neighbor want to put one in our yard and we're going to put a one mini golf hole underneath of its feet so you can shoot just put right into it but we're i i need to get one this

year i'm in a 12-foot skeleton Facebook group because they're so hard to get. I want one so badly. And you can't like buy them online, right? Cause they're hard to ship. Well, no, they're completely sold out online to the point that,

and they were also limited to two per order because they're showing up on eBay for like five times what they're actually worth. And they're, so they even took down the link from the website because they aren't going to stock them online anymore. So now you can only get them at the store. And each store only has like eight to ten of them because they're such big boxes. So you have to know the day that they drop on the floor. Yo, site gang, help her out.

I know somebody. And look, I get Home Depot, the owner of the company, not the greatest guy. But if you got the inside track, please help Brandy out. You deserve a 12-foot skeleton. Thank you. Look, it's the only thing. I go to Lowe's for everything else. I promise I do. I hate Home Depot. I just want a goddamn 12-foot skeleton. That's all I want. And they got just the market locked, huh? You can't go anywhere else. I think this is something the Senate needs to to take up it sounds like some kind of a monopoly chuck schumer ring ring yeah come on suddenly they're like into antitrust shit because it's the lowest stakes and it's just basically being like no home depot can't be the only place that does that see we know how we know what fairness is i'm gonna get diane feinstein on the phone and be like you you like skeletons because you are one. I got a 12-foot skeleton.

She's like, what? I have melanin? Oh, no. Never mind, Diane. Never mind. What's something you think is underrated? All right. Underrated. And then I'm going to let you guys know I wrote one thing that I think is under and overrated simultaneously. Underrated. Liking popular stuff.

That's all right. you could like marvel tv shows you could like the the stuff that everyone likes that's fine keep doing it you could like i can't think of music you could like lady gaga was gonna be my example billy eilish there you go lady gaga oh my but you know i mean it's fine you can like billy joel yeah you guys could like the popular stuff you guys could like elvis you guys could like this new artist, Dolly Parton. You could like whoever, but it's fine. Just like the popular stuff. It's fun to like because then you get to talk about it with everybody.

You could like the NBA Finals. Watch the NBA Finals and like the thing with everybody. It's fun. What's a specific thing that sort of inspired this designation of underrated? I think it was like everyone was immediately turning on, and I haven't watched the new Marvel, but everyone's like turning on the Marvel TV shows. And there is a lot of comic book stuff.

And it's like, but that's okay because everyone likes it. And it's kind of a nice story. And, you know, there's probably a reason that we're turning to like a fantastical version of our own world that does get saved. I think there's probably a reason that we're all excited about thinking there's some sort of one thing that can save the world. And, you know, that's all right. Let them making it people like it enough it's fine yeah and it's it's interesting because it tells us something about people when it's popular that we feel absolutely powerless and some great work of art that nobody pays attention to i mean there's definitely something to everyone's fascination right now you know

the fact that superheroes are so popular is clearly something's going on with everybody yeah right it's all of our parental issues our feelings of hopelessness all wrapped into one i really it's got to be something to you watch a superhero thing and it's completely out of your control and something you've never seen shows up and fixes it and you're just like like if if there was like a marvel what if like that's their show right the new one where it's hypotheticals that they other stories like a marvel what if or like like tony stark fixes climate change or something like that and he's just like oh i found this actually this new carbon filter i think that's sort of what everyone is like. There's got to be like that thing. Where's that unknown science or an unknown entity like Thor or something that just shows up.

Sadly, there's only been known science that's been telling us for decades. I know. Some sort of like reverse magnifying glass. Right. Make it a little cooler. A big old fan or something. I don't know. Maybe.

There's that Simpsons where they blot out the sun. You know what's funny, though? I feel like if there were in an MCU film, like, part of the story was about humanity taking this, like, just gigantic undertaking of, like, changing human global infrastructure to combat climate change. It's like a narrative that like that little bit of imagination we're kind of like so we got to work together to do with something radical to save our planet huh let's let's keep going with this let's keep going with

this but then you have to they'd have to have the devil's advocate in there because you gotta have them right that's a necessary thing that makes everything better is someone making sure the devil has a seat at the table yeah right who's advocating for the devil here he couldn't make it he tried to call in but he's in a tunnel right now right i don't know this just feels really this feels really wrong to be having these conversations without satan present but or even a proxy if he could even just have a proxy here even if someone can give us a phone that we can he can text into and i can just act as an agent on his okay whatever i remember i felt okay about climate change for like a month when i read there was like this i think it was freakonomics the freakonomics

guys were like you know people used to think that the end of the world was coming because of horse shit being everywhere and then they invented the car so we'll just have like some invention that's gonna like save us and they used like the example of putting things in the atmosphere that like reflect the sunlight back and then like a few months later snowpiercer came out in which like that very thing is like the idea that turns into like a ice planet apocalypse right the catalyst that pushes us beyond any return what's your overrated and underrated so i wrote nuance uh-huh I thought nuance was underrated at first. And I was like, you know, because we spend so much time online. Everyone's like hyper online, especially now feels like super hyper online. And there seems to be no nuance. But really, then you meet a person in person. There's like nuance involved. And then I was like, nah, maybe there's no nuance. Just get a vaccine. i don't care because then i start thinking about you listen to all these people who who are anti-vax folks like will be like well and and and this happened with this and this and if there's like some tiny nugget of truth involved in something that becomes like the

pulled thread of not getting a vaccine then i'm like nah there's no nuance just get the vaccine i don't care if you're like grasping onto the tiny end of the straw at the bottom of that it's not relevant yeah and so i couldn't figure out where to put nuance and so instead i i uh we talked about the uh crown for seven minutes yeah uh natalie sure who's one of my favorite like kind of reporter researcher people and just a great follow on Twitter was pointing out that there are like a small, small, small number of people who like can't get the vaccine. But like the there's also a lot of people who are claiming they can't get the vaccine based on like junk science and basically like within the world of chronic diseases, like there's a lot of junk science being circulated

and so like almost everybody can get the vaccine like there's a thing about live like if there's a live vaccine like a live culture in the vaccine that is like not compatible with people who are have like immune issues but this is not one of those so like that it's actually like basically everybody can get in synthetic rna right with a nanolipid layer jack do you know what happens after three months or three years with that nanolipid layer i don't know if you saw that tweet that was blowing up making a tiktok that's gonna get stitched yeah i'm learning about tiktok yeah yeah i definitely do deeper research and wait not don't do research actually reach out to a doctor

and your research should be finding the smartest person who's devoted their life to this and trusting them that's my a lot of my frustrations lie in this sort of like uh no longer having a favorable outlook of education. And it's it seems very bizarre to me. And I have jokingly said, but I honestly think if you distrust it. So the nugget of nuance, if someone's like, I don't trust the government, I kind of get that. But if you're using that to not get a vaccine, then I'm like, actually, there's no nuance. Just get the vaccine. It doesn't count. Right. right i i have said in jest and honestly believe if you hate teachers and you hate nurses and you don't trust doctors and science is fake what do you want your kids to be right what are they supposed to do

what do you want your kid to like also just like have a hateful youtube channel like i did or like and we didn't go to space and the moon is fake. And I just don't understand, like, what are the jobs? What do you want your kid to possibly be doing besides just being angry like you? And I don't think you can, like, yell at a barista for work. So it doesn't pay that well. I don't understand. Maybe he'll get a sponsorship from Black Rifle Coffee to yell at people in public spaces. I don't know.

I mean, I think to your point about education, right, like we've done such a great job of making it impossible for people to get educated that by virtue of that becoming the only way into the middle class or having any kind of upward social mobility in most instances, that that's just created a natural resentment for it. And without understanding that by design, many people are being shut out of the opportunity to be educated. So then it just turns into this thing over time of being like, well, that's for these fucking people who think they're so smart. And that's like, truly we're seeing like all of the machinations and the manifestations of like this very concerted effort to defund public education because now it's become so unattainable people fucking hate it and now you have people on tiktok just say or wherever

claiming to know all this shit or whatever and be so contrarian because you know that's just the way that this cruel fucking society's set up too so just like at every turn you're like oh my god everything's just a reflection of how we're failing people it really seemed like it could just fester just below the surface as long as we didn't need everyone to agree on something ever again right and unfortunately we do and even the way that conversations happen about it are so is so wildly frustrating because it's it's almost like robots are having the conversation so i saw the video that i think you were referencing where it's like a giving this crazy, terrible information, like a scientist. Where there's like porn playing in the background.

Yeah. And a scientist is sort of like, then there's like the, it's like stitched next to one of them with a scientist who's saying that's true. This is not true. Like fact checking it. But you read, and I hate this, like you read the comments on the scientist fact checking it. And people are like, well, you're allowed to, there are two sides to what you believe, and there isn't. I mean, yeah,

there may be the binary of right or wrong. This person's entitled to what she thinks about it, but you're not if it's facts. Like, that's what's, everything has just become equal weight, and it just isn't how it works, and it makes it insane. And you can tell I don't talk to a lot of people most days.

Yeah. And it makes it insane. And you can tell I don't talk to a lot of people most days. Yeah, I'm curious to also figure out, like, at what point then they they're able to trust something about science, like you're using a microwave, you use Wi-Fi, you use a self. So like you got a lot of vaccines. If you're going to keep exploring that you're eating processed food, at what point do you put your sort of lens or spotlight of suspicion on these other things? And if you're not, I'm trying to understand why you don't do it in those instances, too, because you could you could open up all kinds of theories about many of the things that we have to interact with on a daily basis, not just medical advice or know research that at which point it goes yeah well i trust that like i trust at&t i know like i get that come on i trust i trust corporations i just don't trust this right i think that the in the beginning in the end might have just been one loud man who's not around as much anymore telling people what to do and not do i don't know yeah the although you know we we covered that there was a lot of vaccine skepticism and resistance after the 1911 flu that killed more people than this one is and they were just willing to like go door to door and be like let me see the vaccine scar on your arm all right you have to go you have to get the vaccine let me see your arm now yeah well the thing is that

anyone telling me what to do in any way is exactly the holocaust so uh right oh are you a are you a european historian right yeah well i did my own research. Oh, okay. Where was that? Where did you do your research? I wrote this down. I wrote what I just said down. I wrote my feelings down on the back of this Arby's receipt. But that is like, it just has become so, like, history is now weaponized in an inaccurate way. And simultaneously, people believe it didn't happen happen and also that it's the reason we can't do that it's like yeah i just feel crazy and so you know that's why sometimes i don't i'm like let's get rid of the nuance and make everybody get it but you do feel a little weird saying that

yeah you feel weird yeah and it's just because it's we've never been at it and lived like this before where we're looking at some biological phenomenon. We're like, this is going to take radical action to actually keep people safe. And when people just aren't used to that or don't have the mind for any kind of like like reciprocity or sense of community or owing something to each other or feeling part of a larger community then yeah people suddenly immediately go into their self-interested corners and figure out whatever rationale they or like lock on to whatever rationalization they need to to preserve they're like well i don't want to do this yeah right i love when people tell me what to do yeah i make i get more time to do other stuff well that's because you're a sub. Right. Yeah, that's fair.

I was going to say that. I was going to let you know that you're a sub. Like, just from the start, I just wanted to, yeah, make sure you knew. Now both tell me I am at the same time. Well, hold up now. Hold on now. That's not very submissive behavior, fam. You're right.

You're right. You're right. You're right. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back and talk about what's happening right now. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that.

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I was kicking it with him, but he wasn't really bringing it up. He didn't seem like, he just kept talking about that book deal. He eked out at the last second, amidst the pandemic and how to, you know, obscure death counts in elderly facilities, elder care facilities.

But yeah. Yeah. Look, in case, and I know, Jack, you're being serious, so I will explain what happened. So Andrew Cuomo, he's the governor of New York, and he's been embroiled in a sexual harassment scandal. Tish James, the attorney general of the state of New York, released last week a scathing report with all the findings. It was essentially saying, like, it arises to criminal sexual harassment at the state and federal level and i think at that point he was like because the thing is everyone's like this is bad i wonder if he's gonna resign and he went down a fucking weird road on his way to resigning first i i haven't been following this but did he go with uh my parents

taught me to be handsy? Kind of. And then here's a highlight. I'm not perverted. I'm Italian. I believe was one slug that we saw on TV. My hands are just flopping and flipping. I don't know what they're touching. What a natural progression.

It's like a perverted Bart Simpson of like, I'm just going to walk this way and grab whatever comes into my hand. What do I do with these hands? If they clasp like this and there's something there, my hand what do i do with these hands if they clasp like this and there's a something there i don't i can't do anything about it so he had these like first of all his lawyers said some real dumb shit that they're like do you think that the governor would actually molest someone in the governor's mansion where he is constantly being observed that would be absolutely ridiculous behavior. That was like their defense.

And most people like, right, that is ridiculous behavior. And that's what he's engaged in. So I don't think that I don't think that negates. OK, sorry. Then he did the mixtape. He put out the mixtape of him violating people's personal space where he was like, yeah, I do it all the time in an attempt to try and dodge the accountability. And then Pelosi, Joe Biden, they were like, Hey, you need to give it up. His close, his executive assistant, who's also kind of implicated in this shit. Melissa DeRosa,

she resigned. Then Brittany Camiso, who was another person who worked for him. She gave up her anonymity to come out and bring more allegations and then demand that he be held accountable. And just when you thought the state legislator was like, I guess we're gonna have to impeach him because he's not doing the right thing. He's like, I'm out. Finally. I mean, he also listed off every different kind

of person that he's molested. He was like, I've molested old people, young people, black people, short people. If you got skin, I've touched it, baby. If there's a parade for you, I touched you. Yeah, exactly. In defense of himself.

And you're like, buddy, none of this is... None of the defense you think is in Iraq. Yeah. And I think all of it came together. He realized the jig was well and truly up. there's no way you're going to dodge this. And I think the other thing, too, is that the people, you know, Democrats, too, they were like willing to impeach him and not only just look at this like explosive report, but also like, you know, we also are really curious about the nursing home deaths in New York that you did a good job of covering up. And I think that created a bit of a, a log jam for him realized that he didn't maybe want that public,

but there's a lot of stuff that it's just weird how much this shit swung because last year motherfuckers were so horny for this dude. It was like, yo, I wonder if he's chill and has nipple rings. Remember when that was some shit we were talking about? I like yo does andrew cuomo got nipple rings under he's like he's like it really looked like it though he's like a governor that fucks he seems cool as shit and you're like yeah unfortunately yes that's the problem right and i think his like

reasonable guy bit looked really good when it was set against the backdrop of Trump. I mean, absolute absurd handling or mishandling of the entire pandemic. So we had these Cuomo tinted glasses on. I mean, I think most people were like, this still is not great. Well, the media really wanted to paint him as the savior because they also were like, I mean, at that point, too, they were also like anybody that keeps sanders out of the white house maybe andrew cuomo will be the answer right i do i do love fucking joe biden being like you touch a lot of people inappropriately you're gonna need to resign buddy and a sexual harassment allegation i think you should resign

i'm sorry joe interesting coming from remember tara reed or is that is this we're being really selective here yeah but this is the other thing that was really wild too like this also got people in the times up organization caught up yeah roberta caplan who's one of the founders of times up you know it's like that group that was created at like the height of the me too movement to sort of act as this organization to provide legal advice and representation for people who were being harassed at work. You know, she was also she argued the same sex marriage case in front of the Supreme Court. She resigned after it was revealed in these in this report that she was advising Cuomo's office on how to publicly discredit Lindsey Boylan, who was one of his accusers. So, and again, this is the same time as up to say, oh, sorry, Tara Reid, we can't help

you because we don't want to lose our nonprofit status by going after someone who's running for office. Yep. And I feel like a lot of things were revealed very quickly with just, it's not just Andrew Cuomo, but a lot of the failings of, you know, these other organizations as well. Oh, absolutely. Well, I mean, it's so it's, as long as I agree with your politics, then, you know, then you can't do anything wrong. It's infuriating.

And it's also just like, it really undermines there's, there are a lot of really good nonprofits out there, but so many nonprofits also sort of like serve as a place that the, the will of the people and the energy of the people just get sucked up into and stop because they exist to just serve the status quo in a lot of ways. And it's really frustrating, especially with something like this. It's like how many times up like Me Too things have just died because they're like, okay, well, that organization is on our side and they're taking care of it. And it's like, not really, because they are ultimately beholden to the power that they agree with.

Right. And also that's the class that they're from too. These are all elite people who are the founders of the organization. And at the end of the day, like when you're fundraising, that's part of being a nonprofit. Yeah.

There's a lot of navigating you have to do. And it's not just Roberta Kaplan who had this kind of stuff come out. There was an also thing, Esther Chu. She was also like there were 18 members of like this health care organization. They're like, yo, you you're like you just failed to report a sexual harassment claim at the hospital that you worked at. claim at the hospital that you worked at yeah so it's it's definitely it's you know it it goes to show you the limits of sort of what some organizations can do especially when you think of like how the leadership is composed um because they're you know looking out for each other

essentially yeah it's like class will never betray class will never betray itself at a certain level right unfortunately and that's a lesson smear an accuser yeah absolutely the the neoliberal sort of centrist position has just been the status quo for so so long that it just fucking infects everything that is not like does not define itself in opposition to it and so well it also points out i think something that has always been an issue with the me too or me too movement and times up is also like there is no element of like restorative justice there is no second step which also makes it so hard i think to like when somebody has been accused then they get canceled then go away but the the these organizations have never been like okay well what is how do you make amends like what is the way to still exist in a society with these

people in some capacity if that removing them is that like you know thereends? Like, what is the way to still exist in a society with these people in some capacity? Is that removing them? Is that like, you know, there needs to be a second step acknowledged and they just have never wanted to talk about that next step because they're also all financially comfortable and they also don't think that it will ever affect them directly, you know?

And that's, so it's always had like a second problem and it's especially true in cases like this because it's like, we can't cancel Cuomo because then he'll just, we won't, we won't have him as a pawn on our board anymore. Right. Right.

You know? Well, yeah. Now the New York has their first woman governor because of this. And the other thing is just like the couples things that a lot of people point out in our absolute love affair of the, the guy who sat down in front of PowerPoint presentations every day to be like, this is where we're at and this is what we're trying to do. There are a lot of things that he did

that people just sort of overlooked. Like he was first kind of being like, no, the pandemic's not going to be that bad saying, you know, underplaying the severity of it also just didn't want to lock the city down. I think, you know, know that's i think that's would have happened to any leader because they were not well i mean it is what that is but yeah definitely a misstep but then in march of 2020 what like ordering that nursing homes accept covid patients from hospitals that was a huge huge disastrous fuck that was the first act of the cover-up of nursing home deaths that i i didn't they i hadn't like fully let enter my brain of as like part of that story but that was why he was so it wasn't just like keeping new york's numbers low it was because he made a controversial

decision to let people who were leaving hospitals due to COVID-related things back into nursing homes. So it was like covering his ass for an earlier, highly questionable decision. Well, it's infuriating because, I mean, how many empty apartment buildings are there in New York right now? I mean, I look around LA, I can't imagine it's probably comparable to how many just fancy high-rises just are open. Hotels? Nobody was in hotels there's no reason you couldn't accommodate a hotel and put people in that for like recovery it's uh capitalist plants uh taking care of itself yeah because it's like the with like this sort of neoliberal thinking the charity only works to a point and that's when it could potentially cause a business owner like a mega business corporation some they're like they're not paying like what that's not our problem and like we need

that fundamental shift people go no it is all of our problem actually because that's we're trying to have a just society so we have to figure out how to support each other and make sacrifice won't someone think of the hiltons won't someone think of the Hiltons? Won't someone think of the Hiltons? Exactly. I mean, wasn't one of them recently was like, she's like, I hope she almost died of bee stings. God, for God's sake. So please.

Yeah, exactly. Anaphylaxis is not a joke, but please think of the Hiltons. The Delta variant is shown to be more deadly and more infectious with children than any version before FDA administrators are starting to sound the alarm. And I think Pfizer is planning to submit data for kids under 12 to the FDA in September, at which point we'll need to go through the approval

process. So that's as soon as we're gonna be able to get kids to even have the option to get vaccinated so it's just this is the point at which i you know this whole thing i just feel like we've been watching somebody have an embarrassing temper tantrum for the past five years just over and over and just waiting for them to shut the fuck up and now they're starting to like put kids at risk and i don't know it's i don't know the answer but we'll have to see the math on uh whether it was like the kids versus the dow jones you know what i mean what's more important right if it's like two kids per point you gotta then be like you know what were the kids test scores and do we care about that and figure out if we if it's okay if they live and their future profitability the nasdaq which affects me and i know you guys on a daily basis we can't really

let that go if that goes down that's bad yeah if I sound down on the dumps, it is because of my NASDAQ portfolio. Yeah. Putting the Dow down on the dumps, you know. Yeah. My endorphin levels are tied to the stock market. Right. I got a Robin Hood referral that I'm really hoping pays off. So if these kids die, I mean, who really is that on?

Yeah. Yeah, it's everything that you see, like it's it's but from especially Republican governors, you don't know, like if they understand the concept of arkansas it seems to be the one like one one republican governor who's like i pretty much i fucked up like not in those harsh words but he's definitely like voicing regret over certain things that has happened not to say that that excuses anything but on some level it feels like for's like, yeah, it's kind of hard to like keep keep this up. Like it's it's getting bad, folks. And yeah, when you see that this, you know, mindset is now seeping into the realm of parents trying to protect their children. more people start coming to the side of like we need more mandates we need more vaccines because yeah it's one thing when you feel like well i'm an adult and there was like this fallacy like and kids are immune so we're good like that's not a danger but now when you're seeing that cases for kids are going up and up and up and you have doctors like in florida like crying in these psas like because they're trying to tell people like it's getting bad and we're seeing more kids yeah yeah and I mean there's lawsuits right now where parents of disabled students are like suing

the governor to to be like I my kids need to be protected like I don't the fuck you think this is like it's not a game for me as a parent right but I even find like people who are like we when you're talking about how this this a lot of this is a fallout of like hyper capitalism not being a viable solution and the people who let's like these people who hate masks and these people who want to ignore everything, even they are screaming about it because they're like, well, I have to drop my kid off at school because I have to go do this work. And I want to take these people and be like, so you are so close. Right. You are like, I need school to have no changes because otherwise I can't do my job in life. I require it. You're so close to being like, so yeah, we need to just get rid of this. This system is what is holding all a lot of this back as well. Yeah. You're the fact that you, you without school you will lose your job because you can't go in because you have to take care of your kid and these are people who are like so that's why we shouldn't wear masks and i'm like but you're just so you're so close yeah and again you are right at the door the most propagandized people on the planet you know live in live in this

country so yeah it's just yeah you it they're so close, but they're in like, it seems like an impenetrable bubble that they've swapped out their capitalism frustrations with COVID frustrations and are just like, no, that's the problem. It's not that. Displacement, baby. Yeah, there's nothing. Shout out to Freud. There's nothing like that to, you know, there's nothing that's connecting the dots because it's just been so effectively hijacked like this, you know. And I'm not smart enough to like even what I'm trying to talk. I don't feel like I'm fully getting across what I think even now while I think about it, let alone if I'm trying to talk to someone I know who I think maybe I could get through to.

I don't know. I feel frustrated about it. And I think a lot of people do where you just like you just want to be like no like but that's not enough you're like if give me six hours and let me find smarter people and but I just I can't even I get frustrated myself like I can't explain well yeah now the ideas and how I feel about it and how and all this sort of stuff and the one time I got into it with like a guy who was just like, I don't know, man, there's been a lot of, I've heard from a lot of people who said like, I just couldn't be like,

I know, I know it's not a effective way to win an argument, but I just like got so pissed off. It's just like, it was just over like immediately. But it's the most important thing we, and I know it wasn't the doc but if one nfl player kneels during the anthem this year i am going to be so fucking pissed

hey uh real quick do you think joe biden said when he saw that his infrastructure bill got 69 votes do you think he said nice that's something i need to know he would he would never 69 he doesn't know what that is okay he'd be like what 60 what imagine explaining that to joe but oh come on jack people don't do that gross stuff put your mouth down there okay what are you aian? It's not an ice cream cone. Yeah, I mean, he definitely pulled off his bipartisan fucking magic show. And the Washington Post is like, Joe Biden stuns again. He surprises us again with his bipartisan infrastructure framework.

Yeah, it got 69 votes. It got over that filibuster proof. You know i got to get over that 60 60 vote mark and at 1 trillion dollars the largest bill of its kind 19 republicans got on board uh but don't worry it's not for good reasons i think many saw this as an opportunity to support like to throw their support behind something that just broadly pulls well it's like hey man you want less fucked up roads. You want a bridge? You want a better airport? Okay, good.

Right. I mean, there's still people who think that's the, what the government's whole purpose is a pothole. You know what I mean? They're like, look at this pothole outside my building. Yeah, exactly. And so that was definitely like a plus for them. Like, okay, I can vote for this because it's also popular.

And also the 19 that supported it, they were kind of like in this place where they felt a little bit more insulated from like the MAGA outrage mobs of constituents that would normally be like the force that was like, no, actually, I can't because Trump is yelling at us to not support this because he doesn't want Biden to have an optics win but i think the real reason behind it is that they wanted to pretend bipartisanship works to sort of take the fucking momentum out of the filibuster reform talk that's happening right now because if they do that and go you see like we figured it out we did a one trillion dollar we voted for that but then we have this 3.5 trillion dollar reconciliation bill that has the real shit in it like the real real big programs that people are like saying, like, yeah, this is the kind of investment we need in people that they can come around for that time. Like, oh, this is too much. This is too much. You saw we were able to do that. But this stuff, there's a line with it. And don't say it's not bipartisanship because we were there for that vote. we were there for that vote yeah and they're sort of loading the the whole deck for that kind of showdown because right now yeah it got it this one trillion dollar thing goes to the house uh pelosi says we're not going to vote on it until you also pass the 3.5 trillion bill and see what happens then and but already we have like joe mansion on his fainting couch being like it's

so i don't know it's a lot of money so there's a lot of work to be done it's and it's just again frustrating because they may be to figure it out but yeah i mean nothing on voting rights look at what what happens when democrats like actually take the filibuster like seriously that that scares them and i just feel like this is Democrats behaving like Republicans in in the good way that it's like shrewd and just forcing people's hand a little bit. I wish I wish they were like that all the time. Yeah, I think about I get freaked. I think about the filibuster. I think about how the whole I wish we could just take a look at it. Like, would we invent this today? Or is it just already here? Or we just want these guys with wooden teeth, ghosts with wooden teeth to tell us what we want from centuries ago.

If we came up with health care today and you walked into the room and you said, OK, first off, what's your job? I know you want to go to the doctor. I just have to know what you do for your job. How long have you been there? How often do you work? Also, your job is now at least part time dealing with a health insurance company. Right. And how little your job spends on you makes other people money. Right. Okay. So you guys are writing this all down. This is how healthcare is going to work. So you have to tell your doctor where you work so a company can talk to a company that way if you've paid every month you can pay a little bit more and then if you pay enough you won't have to pay as

much right sounds like a lot of paying oh your taxes are the same well it's a good question though in the back good question in the back taxes, we have 30 helicopters that need to circle Atwater Village. So we got to keep those up. Or would someone just say maybe taxes make people feel better? Yeah. And I think the same with the filibuster. If you're writing it all out now, what if one guy is loud? I don't know.

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Can you just talk a little bit about like sort of the journey and where you're at right now in that process? Yeah, I mean, it's been a totally wild ride i was i've been trying to talk about it on stage because it like feels like i should but it's so hard to talk about because it's just so complicated right and i was thinking like you know people always say like man if you could talk to your like you know 13 year old self and be like look what you did you're you got it's like my 13 year old would be like, what the fuck are you talking about? I don't even understand what you mean. Social media?

Social media, a conservatorship? Probate law? Girl, you're not getting a mess with probate law. So yeah, it's just a very surreal experience. But basically, yeah, since we released you know, released an episode in April 2019, when we had gotten like a whistleblower voicemail saying that Brittany was being held in a mental health facility against her will. That was the episode we released that we called Free Brittany. And that kind of started off, you know, that movement. And then it snowballed into

everything where the documentary came out. And then more people got on board. And then it snowballed into everything where the documentary came out and then more people got on board. And then Brittany actually spoke in court, which then, you know, validified all of it. So yeah, it's been,

uh, it's been a very crazy ride, but now we're just happy that she spoke and that she's gotten it. You know, she had, she had this really shitty, uh, court appointed attorney

for 13 years who basically didn't do anything didn't tell her she could petition to get out of it all this stuff so now she has this new attorney who hopefully will be you know the big change that she needed and so what's like the latest i know the last time i think we probably spoke about it was when we we heard her speak and it was like, oh, shit. OK. Yep. There it is. And then I think the last thing I read was that a judge sort of denied to like expedite her hearing, I think. Yeah. To have Jamie removed in the conservatorship role. Like, where are we? What are we? So unfortunately, yeah. So, I mean, I think if you paid attention at all to what she said, she was outlining like clear cut abuse.

I think if you paid attention at all to what she said, she was outlining like clear cut abuse. And it's a pretty emergent situation. So she got this new lawyer who's petitioned to get rid of the dad, which we think is probably a strategy. They have to get rid of him first and then terminate the conservatorship because while he's still on board, then he gets to have his whole big team of lawyers helping him fight. So you kind of got to get rid of him first.

So he petitioned to get rid of the dad. The mom signed onto that petition as did the the woman who's britney's professional conservator right now but the judge denied that petition to move forward the hearing and basically his argument was like look yeah my client feels like she's being abused every day that this happens it's a problem and it was totally within the judge's discretion to move that up and and she did nothing when she was being held in a like they're just these moments where in just reading about the story where it's like oh this is like straight out of a like dystopian sci-fi

novel and like yeah it's like the handmaid's tale all of that shit just wrapped up in in a massive yeah reality can you just talk about how, when you first found out about that, what are the overall details? Because now you guys are doing this one that's a retrospective or sort of deep dive into the whole situation. What are the things that were kind of the hardest

to wrap your head around as you've just been going back through the whole thing? So basically the toxic, the podcast we're doing now, we go through her early career and then just kind of like the first early signs of them trying to control her or trying to kind of control her. And then we go up to the conservatorship and like the whole week weekend that that went down and that she got conserved. And just from day one, it's been, you know, unjust and illegal. I think, you know, they didn't get the capacity declaration that you're supposed to have when you conserve somebody. They planned it far in advance for 5150, which is not how that's supposed to work. It's supposed to be for emergency situations.

Wait, what do you mean? How do you plan? Wait, they planned 51? Yeah. The LAPD was planning a route to be for emergency situations. Wait, what do you mean? How do you plan? They planned the 51? Yeah, the LAPD was planning a route to her house for days. Two days before. As if they were running a marathon, they put up barricades that were supposed to keep the paparazzi out, and they had a whole route planned

to get to the hospital two days ahead of time. And the conservatorship itself had been planned as early as six weeks before she got conserved. There's different kinds of conservatorships. And if she was going through some kind of mental health crisis at the time, they could have put her into the mental health conservatorship, which you renew every year because you're hoping the person gets better.

She was put into probate, which is basically a lifetime one because of her money. So it's just like thing after thing that immediately from the bat, you're like, this is so insanely fucked up. And she tried to get her own lawyer back then and they said she didn't have the capacity. So she could have gotten out a long time ago if she'd actually been able to hire somebody she wanted. Yeah, I think that's been the biggest discovery for me is just how much her lawyer was to blame for all of this. Because I mean, she didn't have a chance without a lawyer that was willing to help her. I mean, she was expressing over and over again that she wanted to get out of this. And the only lawyer that she had access to was refusing to ask the court to do that. And they made it. So when she first got conserved and they had that hearing where she tried to bring in her own lawyer back in 2008, they stipulated as part of her conservatorship that she wasn't allowed to meet with any other lawyers without the permission of her dad yeah i mean that's the six weeks before thing is like it

makes it sound like it was all a conspiracy to like drive her to behave in a way that would allow them to like in the media seem like she was like needed them to take control it seems like so complex and yeah i think they definitely needed that narrative to get her into it you know in the first place so yeah and and the episode we have coming out next week will kind of catalog the last 13 years and her attempts in the background to get out so i think that that's one of the biggest shocks i mean and you know it obviously it makes sense that she was trying to but just knowing she kept trying over and over and over yeah and that that's hard as a britney spears fan to just have been buying all these albums and going to all these shows and then

looking back and knowing in retrospect oh my god, that entire time she was trying to claw her way out of this situation. Yeah, she was like a prisoner while being one of the most famous people in the world. And still is. I mean, that's the other thing is everyone was so alarmed by her

testimony, but that's now been almost two months ago. And the same people are still in power over her. The same people I mean, her conservators can decide obviously who visits her. They hire her security. Those same people are still working for her. So that's the kind of like really frustrating thing too, is like nothing really has meaningfully changed for her, except I guess she has her own attorney now. Sure. And I mean, does it seem feasible that even though this motion to like sort of speed up the removal of Jamie Spears has been denied that it's still possible like that? Is it it's on the right track or there's still a lot of other because it seems like they're hell bent on keeping her in this conservatorship.

So, like, are they out of moves legally or is it seems like a more of a when than an if thing? I hope it's a when yeah i mean without wildly legally speculating right no i obviously we don't know but i think the problem now is that everyone is trying to shift the blame basically so jamie's trying to blame the professional conservator who's been around for a few years they're trying to blame they're all just blaming each other so that no one gets sued. You know, so that's the, it's going to be a hard legal battle because everyone's trying to pretend it's not their fault, you know? Yeah. And if the dad gets kicked out, then he's going to be liable for his own legal fees all of a sudden.

So that's part of why he's clinging on for dear life is as long as he saves the conservator, Brittany foots that bill. Right. But I, one thing that makes me optimistic is that this new attorney is very Hollywood. He just has a Hollywood swagger and he's very... He's represented Steven Spielberg. So I think that A, he's going to act really aggressively.

He already has been acting pretty aggressively. And B, he's just going to want to save face. This is a really high profile case and he has a reputation to uphold. So I do think he's gonna fight tooth and nail yeah and the public opinion is at this point is just like yeah this is open and shut get it done man exactly so i mean just kind of stepping back the way you guys's way into this in the first place was her instagram and like feeling like she was sending messages or like whether, you

know, just through the circumstances you were seeing weird things like what what is you guys is like feeling about her Instagram now? Like, do you do you think that she was actually like sending messages messages through the things that she was posting? I mean, yeah, the Instagram has a lot of questionable things about it as far as people aren't sure if it's actually her posting. Because there's been investigations that have come up like, oh, it's other people who do post it and it gets sent through a filter, so it's not directly her. So there's a big question mark around it. When we were doing Britney's Graham,

we were just kind of taking it face value that it was her. And yeah, I think we started as a comedy podcast. It wasn't supposed to be like, let's dig in and see what she really means behind these messages. It was more of just like a funny, we were doing it, you know,

with a sense of humor, digging into deep, but then that naturally turned into, wait, what does she mean? Because she, we realized she's under these weird, you know,

these constrictions. So what does it mean when she says, let me shop and no one gets hurt? Like, you know, so it kind of started as a funny look at it, but then got more serious. And then as we looked at the actual court documents involved, it was like, whoa, this seems really messed up. So yeah, it kind of, and so yeah,

her, her Instagram is a mystery. I mean, lately, you know, it seems like it's her posting. She posted, there was a free Britney flag that she posted and she called it my flag. And she actually said the word conservatorship in an Instagram post recently. So it seems like she's maybe communicating a little bit more directly with it now, but we're not sure. She definitely loves ice cream based on the last post. Yes.

Yes. A lot of good food posts on B's ground. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, she also has like a long history of communicating to her fans. She used to write these things called her letters of truth back in the early aughts where she would like get real on her website about what was going on.

And I think knowing how restrictive her life was, know throughout the entire conservatorship i don't think it's at all implausible that she was using that one outlet as a way to try to subtly pass messages on to people i mean right she was doing crazier things than that to try to get her message out so yeah and yeah i mean the the documentary that you guys are heavily featured in that that did it win a I don't know, it's an award winning and like just an amazing documentary. just the sort of toxic masculinity that was like still is but like especially during her rise to fame was like built into the culture and her just being the center of all this attention like she's been sort of imprisoned by that from the start and then yeah it makes sense that she yeah it's really gross to just when you look back at that footage of her and the paparazzi and just like 50 men around her at all times, like trying to catch any little mistake, anything. Like goading her. Yeah. And, you know, there's one part where we talked about her. Her custody case was really intense. You know, her custody battle that was all going on and in that era 2006 2007 and you know her her k-feds lawyers would say that she was a you know have what was it test

now i'm gonna mess it up they would use the driving her driving with the baby yeah she would be they used the fact that she was being hounded by the paparazzi as why she should have less custody like they faulted her for being followed by paparazzi as if she had any kind of control over that. And then the paparazzi would like publish these really like lurid stories. And Kevin's lawyer would call in people from, he would use the tabloids as a place to like find witnesses in the, in the child custody case.

Yeah. I mean, but by the end of just kind of that reexamination and just like everything that you guys have kind of uncovered and examined it, it really starts to feel like she went sane like in 2006. Like she did finally after like a lifetime of just bearing this inhuman weight of like everybody's attention, all these like really unhealthy expectations. She finally reacted the way that like I would have for like 30 minutes and people are like,

all right, that's it. We got a lot. Whoa, whoa. Yeah. See that? She said she's off this.

No, no, come on. A thousand percent. She, she always had the expectations of her were always ridiculous you know the expectation of her to be perfect and that's what so many of her fans loved about her was that she was not a perfect person she was you know very raw and funny and just like didn't give

a shit about like where you know wearing flip-flops to the gas station or whatever stuff that they would like make fun of her for and it was also very classist and oh yeah and that's what you know all all those expectations were just put on her and she just kind of had enough of it yeah well yeah and it's also i think about this a lot too like another big piece of this tragedy is like if she had just gotten famous like two years later instagram would have been invented you know right she might have been able to have that outlet instead of getting stalked all the time. Yeah, well, and like with social media, the paparazzi kind of stopped being a thing. Like, she was there

kind of right at the tail end of the paparazzi being this really, like, aggressive force. Well, and they had to stop because they laws were enforced, you know, they couldn't do that anymore because of how they treated her. Yeah. So, it's just,

it's a really sad, I mean, I'm so grateful that there's like finally like the end of the tunnel for her because when we started making it, we had no idea she was going to speak. You know, we just thought it was going to be business as usual and she was going to be stuck with this lawyer forever and all that stuff. So that when she spoke, it was a shock to us. We had no idea that was going to happen and it's really changed the game so we're just hopeful that yeah she has a way out now well that's awesome keep doing the amazing work you guys have been doing and thank you for for doing all that work it's really fucking cool and important and yeah thanks for being on tdz today guys yeah thanks for having me TDZ today, guys. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Blasting up the joint. Yeah.

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