The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 191 (Best of 8/30/21-9/3/21)

Episode Date: September 5, 2021

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So without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well, we are thrilled to be joined by the very funny and talented writer and podcaster who you can hear on the wonderful NBA Baseline podcast and his new podcast, Never Meet Your Heroes, in which he tells you all the most shocking details and twists and turns from celebrity backstories like Mark Wahlberg, Shia LaBeouf. We'll have to ask him if he included Miles Gray's rap group with Shia in that backstory. Also, Michael Jordan. He's one of the best followers on Twitter.

Please welcome back to the show, Jabari Ali Davis! Hey guys, I appreciate you having me again. I'm not going to lie to you, I've already made the determination I'm never going to outdo you guys with the intro. So my AKA is a co-worker last week told me, you're exactly like Suge Knight, except for nice. And I guess what they really mean, because I've been told this many times before, is you're a big black guy with a shaved head, so that's cool. Wow. And you got a beard, too.

And I do have a beard. So Suge Nice. That's a good one. It was right there. It was right there. You know what I'm stealing that. You know what you gotta do, though? You're like, oh, I'm like Suge, and you hold their ass over the edge of a building.

Your royalties right now. Fuck around if you think that you're fucking stereotypical bullshit. You'd be like, oh, I'm Mike Shug, and you hold their ass over the edge of a building. Right. Give me your royalties right now. Yeah, exactly. Fuck around if you think that you're fucking stereotypical bullshit. Remind me another time. I'll tell you a story about signing up for that man's big hit song at karaoke there in the valley, and he walked out because he was upset. Oh, wow. Wait, what? He was at the karaoke bar. You said Ireland 32.

It's a, it's a spot that's over there. I think, what is it like Burbank or not Burbank, like Van Nuys or whatnot. I was there, you know, Rob Van,

was it Rob Van Winkle? Vanilla ice was there. He was in the back. He's having a good time. Folks are showing love. So I figured, Hey, look,

we're here. We're going to go ahead and do this. I signed up for it. The song came on. He gets up and walks out because like, I guess it was offended by it, but wow because you did ice baby yeah it's like bro this is what we know you from yeah i thought it was uh that song have you ever made love in an inner tube by vanilla ice off of uh to the extreme wait is that a song that's not the

title but he talks about making love in an inner tube which is like the sort of is that a song? That's not the title, but he talks about making love in an inner tube, which is like the sort of thing that a middle school student, which I was at the time, or I think elementary actually would like think was cool. Yeah. Anybody who's ever had sex would be like, that sounds really like uncomfortable and difficult. You got to come from tubing culture, not Jeffrey Tubin, but inner tubing. And embrace your inner tubing while you're inner tubing. As Vanilla Ice would. Yeah. We like to ask our guests, what is something

from your search history? Last night I was reading about boxers because everybody was watching the... Underwear? No, like the fisticuffs. Pugilists. Pugilists. Because my friend Jay King was talking about Logan Paul. Is it Logan or Jake Paul who's the one who fights MMA or whatever?

They both do. Jake fought a lot. Just talking about how Jake is like a good character for fighting because he's like a villain and everyone knows it and wants to see him get punched in the face and if you know that you're the guy back to karate kid if you're the guy that like people will tune in to see you get punched in the face and you're cool with that that's a good lane that's a good lane so uh yeah i was comparing him to other i was trying to look up like who were some other like famous irish boxers yeah of the 30s and then i found

this guy whose name i already forget but who was like uh a famous irish boxer who was also like an actor and i was like that's jake paul yeah right and was he also doing like black people versus white people boxing matches too i mean i think that was also what the 1930s was all about right wasn't it the race wars in the ring folks right because i was like oh it's weird that all the boxers were uh black jewish italian and irish right almost like those are the people that had to take the money to get their lives punched out right like sort of did you see yesterday a lot of people were like did he take money to lose that

fight because everyone was like if you just kept fighting him you would have probably won but then woodley lost in a split decision yeah and everybody was mad because they just tuned in to see jake paul get his lights clock yeah and that's the thing you know what and it's perfect like as a money-making scheme that's what you do it's like well that's what i'm saying like for a youtuber if you can get paid to just get punched in the face and you get like a few million dollars every time like do that until and you're an idiot who

doesn't need a brain to function just keep doing that yeah but then also recently I looked up the Paul siblings and found out we have the exact same white ethnic background so you may be am am i related to the paul brothers yeah they're a little bit irish english and uh a little bit german and jewish allegedly

oh okay i think i was also like the the paul brothers are jewish like yeah i know nothing and also is that my internalized anti-semitism for seeing these blonde idiot guys and not thinking they could be in the tribe you know yeah arian gods uh fighting on pay-per-view or most people are the other part is i like how many people steal the fights too to also be like first of all i need to see him get his ass beat part two i'm not paying to see his get his ass beat because i know part three he probably has the fight rigged or something. I don't know. Well, yeah, he keeps fighting.

I mean, he's carefully selecting his opponents. Even though this guy was a professional MMA fighter who used to be successful, he hadn't won a fight in like eight fights. And he's smaller than him. He keeps fighting people who are much smaller than him because he's figured out that that's a massive advantage people basically outside his weight class they're sort of turning it into wrestling which is like yeah pretty smart yeah absolutely it's very i mean if he hadn't invented himself like a like wrestling or like boxing promoter would have invented him to

make money off of like evil social media influencer guy who everybody wants to see get destroyed who like keeps selecting his his opponents so that they will never destroy him and we just keep tuning in being like this This is the one. The guy who's 60 pounds lighter. And 9 inches shorter. This will be the one that will beat him. I had no hope for this last one. I am hoping that he fights Miles Garrett. The guy from the Browns.

Who would just fucking demolish him. I hope he fights Miles Gray. Yeah I was going to say. I thought you were going to be like. Okay Jack. I feel like Miles. I back you. You could take him. fucking demolish him i hope he fights miles gray yeah i was gonna say i thought yeah okay jack yeah yeah i feel like miles i back you you could take him i fight dirty oh you could fucking you could you could hurt jake paul or i'll just start off crying again though you might just see him at a calabasas house party and like right exactly and then like push him he looks at you the wrong

way and he And he says, what are you doing? And he does look just like Zapka, the villain from The Karate Kid. That's awesome. And he's like, hey, what are these East Valley kids doing out here in Calabasas? Oh, what are we doing here?

Smoke, baby! And then we're just, all the goons come in and we steal all the things that aren't nailed down. Like we would at old house parties in nice places. Does everybody come out, which is still, oh, this ashtray. It was made of marble. What is something you think is overrated? Yeah,

I don't know. Honestly, I feel like somebody must have said this at some point, but I'm just going to throw out almonds. Okay. Anybody talked about almonds? Yeah. No, I mean, they take up way throw out almonds. Okay. Anybody talked about almonds? Yeah. No, I mean, they take up way too much water. Yeah, yeah. And they just kind of taste like shit.

Yeah. It's like, what if peanuts were, like, made of wood, you know? What if peanuts were made of wood? That's the vibe, though. That is the vibe though that is yeah they're like they're like splintering your mouth i'm i'm with you like they're i don't like and yeah the raw like a raw almond is just like i have the same thing with carrots it's just something about the texture yeah yeah bad i'm not the biggest fan of carrots. And they're bad for all that water they use up.

Yeah, no, fuck almonds, for real. Does this extend to almond milk for you? Yes, it does. It does, because we have oat milk now. So we don't need almond milk anymore. And coconut milk, if you're trying to replace whole fatty milks,

coconut milk is really good. Yeah, and you know trying to replace whole fatty milks, coconut milk is really good. Yeah. And you know what? People don't fuck with coconut milk, which I think is wrong. I feel like coconut milk is underrated. Yeah. Maybe that should be my underrated. I need to do cashew milk.

Wait, so you're saying the two of you, you just look at almonds and you're like, get them away from me. Because I like, I mean, look, I like a roasted almond. I'm not. That's the thing. It's got to be roasted, right? Yeah, yeah. Not in its natural form. Well, most of the nuts we eat are roasted, right?

On some level. Like, I don't eat raw cashews. I don't eat raw peanuts. I don't eat raw nuts. You know what I mean? But you know how it is. I'm saying if it's like raw cashews, delicious. Oh, raw cashews are delicious.

Yeah. Naturally delicious. Obviously better with extra, you know, roasting, flavoring. Sure, sure, sure. Ice. But I think au naturel cashews are fucking dope. Okay. I just, I feel like almonds became the default nut at some

point in the past like 10 years right over peanuts yes the healthier alternative yeah because they take a fucking it's i think it's something like a gallon per nut gallon of water per nut if you're like what no knock it off fucking knock it off we don't we don't need almonds that's where i'm like we don't need almonds that bad but they're not even that good right i don't think they're that good and yeah like when you look at the water usage like the little like curbs that they put on consumer like water consumption like regular gen pop water consumption like make the smallest dent in the world when you compare it to just like doing anything to agriculture like because they just like use all the water right yeah yeah because yeah when you

go down it's like yeah this how much water an almond takes? It's like, yeah, but what about all the livestock? That's where the real water is fucking going. Yeah. Oh, shit. What is something you think is underrated? The show Leverage? Have you seen Leverage? I have not.

Okay, Leverage rules. Leverage is... Basically, the premise of the show is every episode is... It's a 40-minute heist movie with con artists, except basically, like, they steal from the rich and give it to poor people, and they do it by just running incredibly elaborate

and absurd cons on people who suck, and it is an extremely good time, and more people should know about it because it's just it's it's just fun where can you watch it is it an old show oh yeah it was on from 08 to 2012 yeah there's a new season two that i i think you can watch on amazon prime or something but yeah it was originally from 2008 and it's like a very it's a very like post 2008 show in like the best way that i only sort of vaguely remember because i was like 12 but like you know it's it's very post 2008 in that like there's a bunch of rich people and they're all bad and the goal

of the show is to screw those people over and it's okay right right right just like anger about the the code yeah recession and the subprime lending shit yeah yeah you know and it's okay right right right just like anger about the the co-op session and the subprime lending shit yeah yeah you know and it holds up right because like even when they brought the show back like a lot of the sort of old shows that they reboot like are bad because they don't you know the the the premise of whatever it was about is like and like you know is it that that robin hoodness that you yeah yeah really speaks to you yeah it's a robin hoodness and then also this i just i like heist movies and this is like this is like five seasons of heist movie that's also con artists which is just extremely fun okay yeah it's funny because that was one of those shows too where i just saw the poster and i'm like

don't know what that's about yeah don't know what it's about it's vague looks like people standing in front of a truck. Okay. Maybe they're truckers. But now, okay, this is interesting. Maybe I'll have to check this one. Yeah. It's a good time. It was a TNT original, it looks like. Oh, no wonder.

It aired on TNT. Yeah, yeah. That's when I was, I would never cast my eyes upon anything from TNT in that era. So, yeah, this all tracks for me. Back then, if you had suggested a tnt original we would have cut your feed yeah that's not allowed get out i do feel like there are a number of shows like from that tier of cable like um i think suits is one of these that i i just don't i never gave a chance purely because they were on tnt or usa and i was like yeah well yeah okay uh yeah like i'm gonna watch that white collar

and they're probably i probably should have so i will check it out. Leverage, which you can watch on Apple TV for free. If you have Apple or the, is that what it's called? Apple TV or Apple Plus? Whatever that is. Whatever it is. I have no idea. They have replaced one of the main characters with an iPad, however. It's so versatile.

As we talked about on yesterday's episode, the Apple original programming is all just shot through with like kind of the most aggressive product placement of all time. But all right. Well, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you.

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we were realizing before we started recording, Jabari, that the last time you were on was January 5th. It's been kind of an uneventful eight months since then. No, so the day before the insurrection, you were on here last. So I'm just warning people, you know, watch out for tomorrow, Tuesday. We'll see what happens.

Don't sleep on the influence of Suge Nice. Don't sleep on the influence of Su suge nice don't exactly grow with the gravitational pull of jupiter there you go there you go but miles you were kind of uh you put together some thoughts on just sort of this idea of america's practice of selective empathy yeah it's just like you know like just like last time with the media not talking about Afghanistan in one way. Like now I look at, you know, with the conversation talking about resettling Afghan refugees. I was just, you know, seeing how the momentum was moving very swiftly, you know, because there's about 88,000 Afghans that assisted, you know, occupying American and allied forces during the forever war. And now the U.S. is like, obviously scrambling to relocate these people to fulfill a moral obligation since, you know,

like leaving them and their family members behind in a place as the Taliban is like trying to have retaliatory attacks against these people. Just is what should be done on a minimum level, if not more people. And then you look at the polling, right? Americans are pretty much on the same page. Like 90 percent of Democrats, 76 percent of Republicans are saying like, yeah, we like we're I'm open to I'm not opposed to resettling these people in America and understand like that the narrative is they helped the the army. So they should just like that's their ticket to the united states and another story i read about these south florida republicans who were very enthusiastic about welcoming these people and i'm not i don't have any opposition to the fact that they're open

that they feel you know aligned with this sentiment but it just says like a lot right because like at a minimum it acknowledges that these people put themselves and their loved ones in harm's way to help the united states military and they understand like the reciprocal nature of this transaction like that's okay we get it y'all all could have got fucked up helping the u.s our our our you know brave men and women out there so this this equates to a ticket back. But on like this other way, it just sort of underlines this fucked up way in which

Americans choose to have empathy for displaced people. Like if you are working in service of the American war machine, then it's a no brainer. You know, like, oh man, like you, because then it's like you were one of the good ones. You know what I mean? Like we came, fucked up your country. You still helped out.

You know what? That's worth a ticket back here. We thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And then, you know, and then even though like normally the narrative around Afghan refugees like on Fox has basically been terribly Islamophobic and xenophobic and, you know, ethno nationalist. Yeah. But 76 percent of Republicans feel that it is our duty as Americans to take these people in. And I'm just like, what the fuck? What does this say about every other situation that we're involved in that intersects with the United States foreign policy and displacement of people and even domestic policy and displacement of people that where it is? It's just it's it's it's amazing to see how people can just selectively be like, yep, those people deserve empathy. Those people at the border

not so much. I mean, granted that you can draw straight lines from American foreign policy and intervention in Latin America to why we have this immigration problem. And on the same level, if it's like, well, these people are displaced because you get cheap fruit for the for fucking dole or whatever, that there's no there's no empathy. There's no understanding of what the root causes are. And it's just kind of, you know, I'm just sitting there thinking, right, here's another example of all that. Right. It's where I wonder if it's because the cheap fruit is like, know it's implicating the consumer you know it is it it kind of gets it the the this undercurrent where it's like yeah all of this is being done to just feed the kind of massive consuming machine that america has instead of a soul and we don't want

to acknowledge that right and if you go just slightly broader, right, the fruit is like one dimension, because the whole point of fighting all these like all the intervention in Latin America was the way the U.S. was fighting the Cold War. Right. The whole thing was like, do not do not let communism root on the continent. And we'll do whatever the fuck we have to do by hook or by crook to figure out how to stop that momentum. So on some level, you could argue that this was happening to protect America's freedom, right? Like that rhetoric is sort of that, like our logic was being applied. Yet again, we look at displaced people from there and go, oh, that's your problem. That's your problem. Well, I mean, really, it has always felt like the cutoff, and it's very clear at this stage, especially over these last couple of years, the cutoff is like,

do we feel like these people have value to us? Do we? And I'm not saying the three of us. I'm not saying like, you know, those of us that actually have natural empathy. But I'm saying, you know, the general public, oftentimes it seems like if they if we don't feel like there's value, monetary, actual value to you, then it doesn't matter. But even then, right? And that's more telling about society because, you know, and it's actually not just how we look at, you know, people in foreign lands, it's how we look at people in America. If you are poor, you ain't shit.

If you're not out there working, if you're not out there contributing to this system, then you're not worth our time. So, yeah. And I get, though, too, you know, a big difference is with Afghanistan and, you know, everything that happened in 9-11, there was just, you know, nonstop. It was a primetime TV conflict for a certain point. And so people and there was countless TV shows, you know, and films that were like talking about like what's happening over in the Middle East and things like that post 9-11.

That that was a thing that people had just like this sort of concept of. But there isn't much talking about American intervention in other places and things like that. And this but but then I'm like, OK, well, maybe it's a historical thing, right? Like, as people know what what's going on in Afghanistan and like they like they're like okay well that i understand why we need to extend empathy there even though truly it's not even it's only being extended to 88 000 people among millions in the region right but it's the same thing with like black americans we fucking built this country right and the land was stolen from indigenous people yet these groups are still like i don't know what the fuck y'all problem is right what is what is going on and and so it's just it's just really it's like sickening

to watch how certain issues that deal with things that are happening within the country and are so clear of like why we need to correct things you know but there's just not the energy for that yet for these things there's like a lot of there's just a lot of media momentum. And Americans can selectively say, like, right, I totally understand why we need to our obligation to resettle these these refugees. Yet we still are unable to look at all these myriad of ways that we're connected to other struggles and problems within the country and outside and still not be compelled. and problems within the country and outside and still not be compelled. Because it's easy to turn a blind eye and you, and you know, the next thing will come up and we'll all obsess about that. I actually have to, you know, honestly, you all know, like I appreciate shows like this.

I appreciate ethnically ambiguous and, you know, like those wonderful ladies and both Anna and Shireen, you know, for pointing stuff like this out, whether it's on, you know, whether it's on the shows, whether it's on, you know, you know, whether it's on the timeline and whether it's on the timeline. And actually, through conversations with Anna in particular, she was the one who pointed out, we as a country, we definitely pick and choose. We definitely pick and choose what's going to matter, who's going to matter, how much it's going to matter. And we really can't do that. I say we really can't do that.

Yes, we can. But we obviously really shouldn't because look at where it's it's it's it well i say we really can't do that yes we can but we obviously really shouldn't because look at where we're at right yeah it's yeah and this whole thing is just about preserving like like you say we were selective about where we choose to understand what's at stake or what the consequences were for other people based on certain policies. And then the second we tried to inform people, right, of like history, we see what happens. It's just met with rage and violence because it's, you know, the whole the ignorance is meant to intended to sort of preserve this American sense of moral purity. is meant to intended to sort of preserve this american sense of moral purity and with afghanistan i think it gives people a really easy thing to be like yep there was a war there these people are basically they fought on this team so they get to come on back on the bus back to the the locker room after the game kind of mentality but the second it begins to really sort of intersect

with something a little more like closer to home or something that you may actually have to think about deeper than just merely this like very clean sort of logic path, then it becomes chaotic and things like that. And it's it. It's just it's fucked up because there's countless ways that people are being left behind, whether it's in the Middle East, in South Asia, wherever. behind, whether it's in the Middle East, in South Asia, wherever. But we, you know, we chug along on this path and like we only see things get worse. I'm just kind of thinking like, what does it take? You know, because if it's not about connecting people to the history to understand sort of like the U.S.'s place in that, like what will do it? there's americans seem particularly bad at feeling empathy towards poor people in our own country because i think that you know we i talk on here a lot about like just the work the like psychological work that needs to be done to for like kind of the the passive white supremacists in the country to just like go

about their daily lives and like kind of push down whatever that that reality is whatever realities are hitting them like whether it's somebody living on the street or you know the videos of police shooting innocent people of color like there's just so much work that's having to be done for them to like block that out. And so by letting in empathy for anybody in the country already, you're almost having to admit like that that whole thing is on shaky foundation. Whereas I feel like the afghanistan war and the iraq war the media and the american people were able to like kind of think of it as a thing that was separate from them and so that's enabling them and then you know the specifics of the really shocking and horrifying

footage from the airport especially in those early days i think like probably just crystallized things in the kind of american consciousness which is wild though too because there's so many people that are destitute yeah here yeah and and yeah like it's just this it's like we just want to put our eyes on the thing that feels like it can be solved in that one thing. Oh, the Afghanistan thing can be solved if we get enough people on planes and then it's over and I have to think about it and it's done. I look at, you know, you look at things that happen on the streets of any city, Philadelphia, Baltimore, New York, L.A., wherever there's there's real problems. LA, wherever there's, there's real problems. And it's much easier, I guess, to go down that path to think of how we can solve that is just too much of a task for some people to engage in mentally, when most of it really is just about being like, no one's asking you to solve it. But like, fuck,

man, have the same feeling for that. If you if your heart's broken, seeing people who are clinging to, you know, trying to escape their country to get here and you can somewhat understand like oh yeah i get that just just open your heart a little bit you know what i mean to be able to to have that sort of same level of of compassion for more people but i don't know that's just that's me being like what's what's wrong with us but it it also feels like all of this is you know very very specifically by design. Like, for instance, there's a reason why we didn't ever see the footage of what was going on in Afghanistan. There's a reason why we didn't see the body counts.

There's a reason why they didn't even keep track in a lot of situations. And the same thing goes where domestically individuals are no longer seen as individuals. If we just call them gangs or we say that it's gang violence, instead of saying like, these are people, these are Americans that are, you know, they're suffering, that are in terrible situations that are, you know, innocent, you know, you'll be, you'll be on beliefs at, at, at, in a lot of, in a lot of situations, it's easy to just ignore. It's easy to, you know, like, you know, to look past people, but it's the same, it's the same thing you pull up, you put like, let's say you're getting off the freeway, you're getting off the 405. There's a dude sitting there right at,

you know, right there waiting for money. It's real easy for folks to roll that window up, turn the music up and look forward. Right. That's what we've always done. Yeah. Yeah.

And I just, yeah. And I know like on some level, like, you know, it's, it's a feeling of shame or powerlessness. Like someone,

you know, depending on how you, you process it at times, like for me, it's like a feeling of shame. Like, fuck man, it's a feeling of shame or powerlessness, like someone, you know, depending on how you process it at times. Like for me, it's like a feeling of shame, like, fuck, man, like I can't like this. I feel so helpless that there's this person who's my age, who is we're probably coming from very similar circumstances. And this is how things shake up because this is how things are, you know, sort of designed in the country. Yeah. It's just, and I think it's, it can be overwhelming for a lot of people on some level too, but it's just like this sort of very, it's, it's like one of the many superpowers that Americans and American media have created to

sort of keep the status quo going in this direction, which is one that doesn't really care for people that are marginalized or in need of help. Just focus on the people who got it. Right. All right. Let's talk about a new research poll from Pew that is revealing one of the big differences between red and blue that uh we we weren't aware of i wasn't personally aware of yeah kind of makes sense well what is this new where is this new

arena for political engagement it is over the topic of walking around your town yeah so when they look at these they they just took a quick survey i'm just curious about like in the post-pandemic do people want to like live in larger homes or that might maybe more spread apart with distance between them do would they rather be closer to people and be able to walk to places and just have like more that kind of thing so apparently only 22 percent of conservatives that they pulled want to live in a walkable neighborhood, while 77% prefer driving everywhere. But what's funny, though, too, is when it comes down to Democrats or people who identify

as liberals, they say 40% of moderate Democrats and 57% of liberals, quote unquote, want walkable neighborhoods, resulting in a 50-50 split among Democrats. So it's just odd to look at these numbers like i sure i i can understand why if you love your fucking truck or whatever you want to walk around or drive around or merely because you don't want to be around people but to think like for what you see is like stereotypical liberal ideology would be more like environmentally conscious. And maybe you think that people would be like, oh, I would like better design of or better planning of my city so I could walk around and do things like that. But it seems like they're split a little bit more. Yeah, I guess I understand why conservatives don't want a walkable neighborhood.

But like, what is the so they just don't want a walkable neighborhood, but what is the... So they just don't want people walking past their house? I think it's the same thing, right? You don't want a sense of community, ultimately. No, you want your house. You want your land, and no one's allowed on your land. We see this in Los Angeles, where it is not a walkable city and not a great public transportation city, although it's gotten better in some ways. Slowly.

Slowly. Where, yeah, it's like people don't even want other people's cars parked on their block because homeownership makes people fucking insane. I think this issue is super complicated, especially in California, because the walkable cities thing is also, like, sometimes that's a dog whistle for gentrification. Right. But what we really need is just,

like, better public transport. I mean, I think some of the walkable city stuff is also, like, taking this European idea of the walkable city stuff is also like taking this European idea of the walkable city where everything's central that hasn't existed in California or anywhere in the United States since like the 1950s you know ever since car culture like yeah they're like hey what if we gave you a bunch of money to make sure people had to have a car to live in this place right for sure but even like even walkable

cities even places like new york that are like we're the place where you can go everywhere you know people have cars and people move to the suburbs and then drive from the suburbs the idea of the suburbs is really the thing that killed walkable cities and liberals are just as into the suburbs as anyone else right this thing with like especially in la right like there's because people don't aren't really pedestrians they're in their cars all the time it really diminishes your ability to feel connected to anyone else oh i completely disagree with that i totally disagree with that because okay i think the idea that you're like connecting with people around with you that New

Yorkers are always like yeah I'm just talking to everybody on the subway running into my friends all over town absolutely not people can be completely isolated in a crowd of people in fact you can feel the loneliest you've ever felt in a huge crowd of strangers you know everyone is not your friend necessarily immediately i have all kinds of social interactions from my car i have like dazed and confused interactions which to me is like just as counts just as much just like talking to somebody on the street what are dazed and confused interactions where you like talk to somebody on your car you roll down your window and talk to somebody. Yeah. I went out the other night.

And I talked to like some guys on a motorcycle. Who started hitting on us from the motorcycle. And then I went to Del Taco at midnight. And I ran into my friend Michelle. Who was also at Del Taco at midnight. Just in the line at the drive-thru? Yeah. Nice.

Honking behind you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's what I'm saying. You know. But I think the reason I bring that up, right, is because I totally agree in that even just being physically in proximity to someone doesn't necessarily create a sense of community. necessarily create a sense of community, but there's a way that you can absolutely shut yourself off by being in a car all the time in a way that like it's much easier to insulate yourself. I know there are ways to do that in many walkable cities. What do you think, you know, headphones, man, like people are putting their earbuds in. But there's a difference, right, between you never

seeing somebody like, you know of of any different social class or whatever and you have whatever idea built up because it's born out of some media diet or whatever your social group says about a given another group and i think being in a car really does allow that to reinforce in a way that i think is can be pretty exceptional i think you are very much you're a very social person. I'm a social person. I also cross the line. But I think there is, like even for me recently, right, I started riding my bike more, because I wanted to be I wanted to like actually feel like be around my neighborhood, see people out of their homes to and reinforce this idea that like, I'm also around other human beings that are trying to live in the same way versus it's easy to get caught up inside. I guess more so

in the pandemic to get inside your house and just start creating a sense of the world that might not actually exist because of like what you're consuming media wise. So for me, and maybe this is just more of a personal thing, I found it a lot easier to be like in public space around other people and i'm not necessarily talking to people but there is something that just feels different than being in a car and just like just having you know like completely sort of insulated yeah i guess it's also like i feel like you know like people drive somewhere to walk you know yeah right so it's like people do walk they just have to drive somewhere to walk, you know? Yeah, right. So it's like people do walk. They just have to drive somewhere to walk there

because it is a gigantic place and we don't have the greatest public transportation. Right. It's like, yo, let's drive 40 minutes to go walk 40 minutes. Pretty much. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I think that's what I love about biking

or I'm getting more into it now. I'm cutting down a lot of short stuff. I like biking. I think biking in LA is kind of terrifying because of the car culture. You know, I've been other places where I'm like, it's easier to bike here because it's a bike. Like, I do think having real bike lanes would be great for LA. We could use a lot more bike lanes. Everything is definitely centered around cars.

I do think cars here are a little bit like guns in Texas in that you will pry them out of our cold, dead hands. Right, right, right. You know, because that's how. Yeah. Like, so I do think we're just going to get we got to get better electric cars rather than try. I don't think there's going to be an L.A. without cars ever. Probably. No, no.

People are like just habitually. Just there will be an L.A. without cars, but it'll be after like. Yeah. That's when the roaches are running. Yeah. But yeah, like, you know, my partner, partner for example she's from dc so her outlook on using a car is so different than mine being a valley scum rat kid who like the car was your like to me was like liberation like when you're younger and so there are a lot of times she's

like why wouldn't you just walk there and i'm catching myself like because this is la and then i'm like man i'm completely fucking i'm not even looking at things in a way that will allow me to like actually just make a short walk. You could have good public transportation and walkability, but then you'd have to live in Washington, D.C. That's the trade-off. I mean, as we found out in the movie Crash, sometimes those of us in L.A. crash our dang cars into each other. That's what I'm saying. Just to feel connected.

Maybe it's just me maybe it is because i just go out cruising all the time looking for action and like you know crashing into people vibing with the city as miles once said he thinks i do all day which is what i do all day but yeah i do just think like the idea that car culture is inherently isolating is not, I don't think it's true. Yeah. But also, yeah, it's nice to walk. I walk around in my neighborhood. But also because LA is so spread out, it's like sometimes you walk somewhere and you don't see anybody.

Yeah. And I think that's what's also kind of a bummer, too. Because like I'll go on parts of like the la river and bike and like you'll see these like pockets where there's a lot of people and then suddenly i'm like it's there's like tumbleweeds and shit well i love the tumbleweeds yeah but i mean you know this is again back to like the urbanism stuff like the big issues in california are that we need more dense housing for people because we are a city of a lot of people but there's all these single family homes and that's what everybody thinks they get if they go to california right but we can't have

that anymore and again i do think people are gonna maybe hold on to that idea a little bit with their cold dead hands as climate change happens yeah well i think yeah because we were sort of all inundated and like inoculated with the concept like american wealth building is based on real estate holdings right which doesn't work anymore when the houses are burning down all the time and uh being you know flooded by hurricanes and especially as insurance companies start to drop people that are in natural disaster zones, which is what I think Mike Davis said is probably going to happen next. You know, because so far it's just been like everything burns down in Malibu or whatever, and then they just build it back bigger every time. Right. But there will come a point when the insurance companies refuse to do that but then what happens like banks are like lobbying and

they're like homeowners insurance is a is a right like it's fucking medical insurance you know what i mean no and i think i don't know i think uh people are are also just thinking about where they do want to live i do think that i do know some liberals who moved to some walkable cities because they were like, if I'm stuck at home during the pandemic, I'd rather be somewhere I can like walk around and walk to a place that I want to go than out in the suburbs where I thought I wanted to be. Right. And just walk four miles and all you see is like a desolate Spearmint Rhino, like an industrial park. Okay. But that's the beauty to me,

Miles. You know that. Oh, I love it, but I'm saying people don't know. They're not used to that one in North Hollywood. Well, yeah,

but that's like, we walked to the century eight, which I think is a different theater called something else now, maybe. Yeah. But I looked it up recently on yelp and was very delighted to see that the reviews were like this place is still very scary at night yeah yeah spookiest fucking theater everybody was like this is the sketchiest parking lot i've ever been in i was like man i love the valley yeah they're like no they shot a fucking uh what's not wonder captain marvel in that park did they i think so you're

talking about the one in north hollywood right well yeah there's there's a couple of scary theaters in north hollywood though yeah but that one by the old wells fargo bank that has like the huge mural on it oh that's the you that's the other one that's the united artists that's yeah that's that one's closed forever i think century 8 is still open and you can go see movies there because i was like now that the arc lights closed where can i go see like if i wanted to see in like a fast and the furious movie like where would i even go yeah it's like what if i just start going to that theater again which i could walk. So maybe that brings it back. Maybe you're right. Maybe we all love walkability. That's right. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be back to talk about how COVID is affecting rap rock legends of our youth. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life.

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Hard pivot from that very serious conversation about security and privacy. And now the pressing issues of our time. The way we distract ourselves healthily from that television. TV. Although this, I feel like this show really nailed something about the zeitgeist. Or just, I guess, America. Oh, White Lotus? Yeah, White Lotus. Our show definitely always is always nailing the zeitgeist or just i guess america oh white lotus or yeah white lotus our show definitely always uh is always nailing the zeitgeist hello anna hosnier uh thank you for joining us what

why why did we watch white lotus what struck you when you first said why aren't you watching it what was part well okay first i have to do my streaminging Corner theme song. Okay. Go, go, go. And, oh, a two, a one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. It's the Streaming Corner. It's the Streaming Corner. Ana, you didn't watch White Lotus, did you? You didn't watch it. You were just... Oh, God. I knew this was going to happen.

She did this last time when we were like, I'm going to be gone. Sorry, I missed all that. I was doing my theme song. We were just saying that this is your way of delaying because you didn't actually watch White Lotus. When we asked you about Godfather 2 and you went... I don't think I've ever been more offended than people just speaking through my 45-minute stream and cornering.

We were just so confused. We didn't want to get scammed again. five-minute streaming corner intro. We were just so confused. We didn't want to get scammed again. No, I was just, I was, what is it when you're like pulling from someone? I was pulling my inner Kim Cattrall. Oh, right, right.

You're channeling. Channeling, there you go. I guess before we get into the, just the talk, I will read what the description of White Lotus is. So if you haven't seen it, you understand what we're going to be ranting and raving about. They say from Mike White, the creator of HBO's Enlightened, the White Lotus is a sharp social satire following the exploits of various employees and guests at an exclusive Hawaiian resort over the span of one highly transformative week. As darker dynamics emerge with each pressing day, this biting six-episode series gradually

reveals the complex truths of the seemingly picture-perfect travelers, cheerful hotel employees, and idyllic locale itself. Okay. There it is. And another interesting fact, Mike White did, in fact, go to high school or college, I forget, with my friend Lori's wife. Really? Okay. Yeah, she told me that the other day. Now we're cooking with gas.

Now we are cooking. He also, did he write, he wrote School of Rock. He's enlightened with Laura Dern. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also School of Rock. Okay, stop bringing up School of Rock every five minutes. Anyways, I want to bring up School of Rock.

But interesting, kind of varied career. But this is, I don't know, very kind of keenly, just sharply observed about the 1%, I guess, and their relationship to themselves and their world and their leisure. Mm-hmm. I don't know. How do we get into this? What do we do? we well i mean what yeah should i just say so like i know there's been a lot of think pieces on it and all that but you

know i'm not really one that thinks too hard so i just thought it was just like a fun dark comedy that just like kind of you know showed that rich white people are just like vapid idiot losers and that's just kind of like funny to me yeah i'm a simple woman like i'm really simple like if you're like look at this rich white woman like she doesn't get that like white men are over i'm like it's a mess oh dumb so like that's all it really takes for me yeah well i think because a lot of people i felt like were mad because they were expecting this show to have some kind of really biting sort of commentary on what it was. And I get that maybe you the people of Hawaii, like the relationship that it has to the mainland and like just how like sort of the caste system that even

annexation has created in that sense. But there's also like there's just, yeah, this dark comedy aspect about it, which just sort of makes it palatable. And in the beginning, I thought maybe this was going to be a broader commentary on something like that and in the end it just was really just sort of this very more narrowly focused dark comedy so i didn't mind that it didn't have that because i also it was kind of a very american thing where like the show almost was able to like observe an issue or like a controversy but not quite have a reckoning with it. So it's just sort of like, damn, that's fucking wild, huh, this shit? Sort of like what the vibe was at the show rather than like, this is why we need to really seriously talk about like what it means to have annexed the kingdom of Hawaii. Oh, right.

You know, like all these other things, like what it means for these power dynamics among all these other people. But really, it was just a mess. What it means to occupy Hawaii. Yeah, I know. other people but really it was just a mess what a place to occupy hawaii uh yeah i know and and the kind of the great part about it is that like it just i kind of liked it's like you didn't really try and i'd rather you just didn't try like you created humor in the fact that like these people were really shitty and you're pointing it out but like they didn't really make that much of an effort and it's like i'd rather them not make an effort than make like a half assed effort at something. You know what I mean?

Right. And fall flat trying to be like deep with it. But I feel like the commentary was all there. I like that. It definitely didn't end in a satisfying way. people who you've kind of just been disgusted by the whole time because they are just myopically just obsessed with their own privilege and like preserving the illusion that they deserve like everything and like fighting anybody who's in the service in service positions like they just get away with it and don't learn their lesson and that's just like that that is how it works yeah but didn't that all feel like just in the writing like very surface level like there were a lot of things that they just touched on

that they very quickly very like it was just like and then they like you know moved on like i feel like yeah you know they'd be like this guy hates the manager or whatever jake lacy's character hates armand yeah shane hates armand and it's like okay but we're not really going to explain or like explore further like what the fuck is wrong with shane and like why you know like other than him being like look i was just born into this okay like what am i supposed to do and it's like yeah surface level that's who he is and that's all these people are they're all surface level, that's who he is. And that's all these people are. They're all surface level people. Right.

Yeah. Maybe that is the observation. So just to give people an idea, there's this character, Armand, who's the hotel manager. Then there's a couple of Nicole and Mark, which is played by Connie Britton and Steve Zahn, who's like this wealthy couple who have brought their kids and one of their kids friends with them to just kind of like have one of those rich people vacations. And then the other the other storyline involves Tanya, which is Jennifer Coolidge's character, who's like mourning the loss of her mother and is there to spread ashes alongside this newlywed couple of Shane and Rachel, where this journalist has like married rich and is kind of having this existential dilemma of like what that means for her yeah but i think that there's something where when they're on vacation they are left with too much time to think about like just themselves and how awful they are so they like do things like create the issue with Armand that Jake has or Connie Britton,

who's like supposed to be a Sheryl Sandberg type character is like at one point like moving furniture around the hotel room, like just like doing these things, like creating these tasks and these problems to just like focus on, to like continue this like sort of endless like competition and like urge to prove something that like i feel like deep down they know they can't prove which is that

they deserve any of this shit what's um i i i want to say that this the one of the best things about this show were like some of just the individual performances. Yes. And I don't know. I just want to maybe go around and we can talk about some of our favorite people from the show. I remember when I wasn't watching yet and Anna was and you're like, dude, Jennifer Coolidge is fucking crushing this whole fucking show. And that's when I was like, I'm watching because I'm such a Jennifer Coolidge fan. And yeah, Tanya's character was. We're called cool dogs hey where you at uh where the cool dogs at but yeah like honestly her performance was like fantastic and like her sort of storyline

with belinda and natasha rothwell's character was just like this fucking strange journey of like white saviordom and guilt and like also people trying to act like they were being authentic by offering or not offering money it was a it was a lot it was a lot right yeah i you know jennifer coolidge i mean truly like a legendary actor who like comedic actor who never really i think like i feel like she gets you know pigeonholed a lot in what she has been offered in the past and it was like really nice to see her like playing this like just showing that she has like this wild range where she can play like this like what is she calls herself a alcoholic what is she calls her like an alcoholic psychopath or something. She's like, under all the layers, you're just going to find an alcoholic psychopath.

And you're like, wow. Wow. Like that level of just like madness. You're like, wow. And the thing is, she's nailing it. Like her character character every person she interacts with i immediately feel bad for them and that's like oh no you're in her way she's nailing it yeah she just walks up like right are you having a good time and you're like no

get away she's trapping you yeah it's so good she reminded me of the character in uh shadows the the energy vampire yeah like she just like came in and would destroy the life force of everyone except the dying guy who she ultimately ends up with right uh i do want to add this one those characters of paula and olivia like the gen z college girls nailed it my dad said he like they made him feel so uncomfortable that he couldn't get past the first episode because he was getting like zoomer anxiety he's like oh man they're like they're just gonna fucking read your ass and like you don't know what to do he was like good he was feeling that off the screen he's like yeah i couldn't really get past that first yeah they nailed the cruelness that gen z can bring yeah in their critiques and you're like yeah oh my just like them reading at the the look that they both give you at the

same time and you're like no no no no don't look at me right yeah because these characters are like almost like you know they have like the cutting commentary that like a five-year-old would where they'd be like oh you're bald and you're like oh okay thank you young child but they're just like you're like a empty like lame wannabe wife like they have like this expanded vocabulary and i know a lot more like psychological terminology so like it's like the same kind of observation but it just cuts you in half yeah but also they're just like disdain for things too i think was really that line where they're like do you guys meet on raya oh damn wow okay is that who you are she's just like oh no yeah just like damn they just come for you immediately the reading is like the the books

they're reading are like these like high like nietzsche and like freud like it's like okay uh nobody wants nobody actually reads uh that but um and then jake lacy the like bro character who's like inherited a bunch of money and like seems to have like the most violent conflict with like just well just with every everything about himself and like he's always reading malcolm gladwell yeah and he's never yeah yeah and never making any progress it's always like at the same place he captures like guy who says he's gonna read on a trip energy and it's like yeah i'm just dude i'm bringing the book here i'm bringing the book there i'm bringing i brought it to bed no i didn't read it right i was about to but you know vacation dude

and i gotta say molly shannon comes in i mean molly Molly Shannon is honestly like every, every role she plays immediately is like, she just progresses in a way where I'm like, she's so fucking funny. She just comes in as a mom. Who's just like, you know, like, you know,

like that wedding, I blacked out. And you're like, I don't remember it at all. You know, she keeps saying that. It's like, what are you saying?

People say it's love. I don't remember that at all, but it was great. nothing right yeah i feel like her and i i feel like the character jake the mom molly shannon and the two gen z girls were like the ones that like stuck out to me as like the most i don't know like i hadn't seen them on camera, like, in a thing before, like, nailed to that degree. Sure, like that archetype. Yeah. There's, like, a lot of pain in them, like, that is. And the way they deal with it is, like, very pathetic and, like, just completely, like, transferring, like, their anger about one thing to another thing and they just really like

nailed it in a way that felt realistic and yet like so just obvious and also steve's on i forgot about steve's on until i saw him again i was like oh wait steve's on is actually hilarious his whole like meltdown through the series of like he finds out his dad died of AIDS and and he's like just first he thinks he has testicular cancer then he finds out his dad died of AIDS because he was you know bisexual or or gay full I don't even know it's not really explained and then he's like starts to be like he starts melting down because at one point he had an affair and decides he wants to be open with his son. And his son is really not accepting. He's just like, okay, cool, dad.

Like, stop telling me about this. I got your mom that $50,000 bracelet. They're so like his character. And then just like that scene at the dinner where they're like be nicer to your brother you know it's tough for young white guys and then like paula they're like well you know the daughter is like you've never even asked paula a question and he's like well paula doesn't know anything about me and she's like well i know about your balls bro what do you mean walking around lamenting that yeah and then he's like okay

ask me a question paula and she says what do you stand for oh my god his character just like huh like what do i stand for because of all that like emotional turmoil he still like lacks the depth needed to analyze any of it right he can't do it it's just right uh i thought his character was like perfect just like dad he's just like kind of checked out he's so self-involved with his own crap it's kind of nice to see like zon he like you can see that he can there's a like whatever this next phase is him playing this kind of weird middle-aged guy like yeah because that angst when he was younger like sure it was funny but i feel like it really suits him now like as he's gotten older and like you know that he now looks like he i don't know it just feels

like more spot on and then also like molly shannon too it's just really dope to just see like you're like fuck dude molly shannon has like always been super talented but like now she's getting like great roles to really you really spread her wings in. Yeah, I thought this was a great role. There's one more moment with Steve's on. The moment he gets the call from his uncle. And he's like, well, how did my dad die of AIDS? And he's like, he was sleeping around with men.

That face he makes, I cried. I think his facial expressions alone throughout the series of just like complete confusion i'm just like what yeah he embodied the like circuits frying in a computer but somehow made that a facial expression and then the face he's making when he's just sitting like this the next day where it's with his hand with his face in his hand and his daughter's being like that's really homophobic for you to be this upset about it. What if grandpa was like a power bottom? He's like, he can't process any of the information.

I mean, I was dying. Mike White, the creator and writer of the show's dad, was Reverend Dr. James Melville White, a former speechwriter and ghostwriter for the religious right figures such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. Oh, shit. His father came out as gay in 1994. So that's a kind of lived-in experience.

That's cool. Or interesting more. Yeah, and then the other character I just want to, like, Murray Bartlett as Armand is, like, one of the most realistic depiction of, like like a relapse just of being high and like uninhabited and uninhibited. And just like that performance is fucking incredible. Yeah.

That especially that last episode when like he's like, fuck it, baby. It's the send off. Yeah. It's yeah that i mean his whole it's also like you really felt for his character too because like you know like he's he's trying to keep his shit together he's trying to stay clean and he's also like in the midst of like the most chaotic week of his career is like managing a hotel with like unruly guests finding bags of drugs and not knowing what to do and like his own demons it's like yeah it's funny because he provided a lot of comedic relief but also like super like you said

like this very realistic portrayal of uh of someone just like struggling with their own addiction too yeah yeah i also like that the people around him were kind of like, okay, Armand. No one was really that concerned that this guy was so off the deep end. Like, you open your door and your boss is eating ass. Like, that's a problem. But everyone was just like, you know what? Not my business. And if you haven't seen the show, it's, yeah, you'll be surprised. But I think it's worth checking out for sure.

Oh, yeah. We should probably put a spoiler alert at the beginning of this because this is, no, I think this is spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Circa 20 minutes ago. Yeah.

Spoiler alert. All you can eat, but Faye. Oh, Dylan. I actually really liked Dylan. He doesn't give a fuck. Yeah.

I can have any shift I want. Dude, have more like. Right. And then I was just kind of like, yo, this is is so gross and then i'm like well this is this is this dark comedy yeah it's like finally let's party there is a scene last episode that's the grossest thing i've ever seen yeah with armand i mean that has to be real they have to have like shown actual like that right you can't fake that or you it would cost a lot of money to fake that or you just put it in a post yeah that's true yeah you think that

was digitized i don't think so man that makes it worse i really i wrote i ran that back a number of times and just like watch it and frame by frame and i'm pretty sure you did your own case studies of you yourself trying to replicate the shot. Yeah, Sarah's like, what are you doing in the bathroom? I'm like, nothing. Get out! Where's my suitcase? I got a new one

coming in the mail. Don't worry about it. Anna, as always, such a pleasure having you and your streaming corner on. Where can people find you and follow you well hold on i have to do my outro song for sure oh boy i'm just joking because your eyes like another 40 that's the end of streaming corner thank you um yeah i can hit the horn section from spodeodydopalicious. Thank you. I also sampled that.

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