The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 192 (Best of 9/7/21-9/10/21)

Episode Date: September 12, 2021

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Yeah, so without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Please welcome the brilliant and talented Teresa Lee! What's up? Oh my gosh, that was mortifying, you reading my website, but I do have an AKA, so Here we go, okay? All right, it's Teresa Lee, a.k.a. in mid-Philadelphia since Tuesday in the hotel. I potted most of my stay, filling out emails, no time for the pool, keeping my mask on because those are the rules, when a couple of texts told me there's a flash flood started by a tornado in the Tri-State neighborhood.

This Texas abortion law got me feeling all scared. I'm tired of feeling like my government is way beyond repair. Oh. Okay. Wow. the fortune law got me feeling all scared. I'm tired of feeling like my government is way beyond repair. Okay. Wow. Okay. Also, don't be so humble that you can't handle people bigging up your accomplishments.

You know what I mean? You can own those. I didn't read that off your website. I didn't read that off your website. That's just word on it. I just asked some people. I asked, who is Teresa Lee? And that's what I got from them. It was just head out the window. He said, hey, hey, hey, you.

That's just common knowledge. All right. All right. Thank you so much, Jack. Speaking to you. Speaking to you. Welcome, welcome. Yeah.

How is Philadelphia? Did you see any tornadoes while you were there? Did you look at the way you did well this is i'm traveling with my dog and my boyfriend and i i'm was supposed to do the punchline on wednesday night and and then like a random bar show and like we got these warnings on my phone that all of our phones were like flash flood tornado all this and i was like hey maybe we should head out soon and he just gave me the weirdest look like uh did you see the warnings like it's probably gonna be like i don't think people are going out at all and i was like oh this is when you realize comedy is a disease because at

no point was i like oh maybe i should cancel it was like oh since they didn't cancel i better get going and he was like i thought the plan was everyone stay inside. We got to beat that tornado traffic, dude. We got to get out there. We did. The punchline show did get canceled. I did end up going to the bar show because my friend, actually, Blake, who's been on the show, Blake Wexler, very funny, ran that show. We did walk through quite a bit of rain. It was fine.

Everyone's safe. But I did realize, like, this is not worth it. What are we doing? You know, with our lives. But fortunately it did not get lost in the tornado. Okay, good.

We like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? Yeah. My last search history was a medicine wheel totem. So I turned out, I sat on the grandmother moon rock so long story short i spent the last four days at this um therapy counseling like youth camp type situation where you like go and down the woods and it's just this like whole processing your inner child all the shit that you you know that black people never do that you should do right so i went to go do it

they had a medicine wheel you know this rock thing they had like the labyrinth but in a in a weird twist of dissonance it it was in nashville but on fucking plantation. I was like, this is a plantation. I don't know how in the hell y'all want me to be open and vulnerable at a motherfucking plantation. You know what I'm saying? But I got over it, you know, and anyway, it took a while, but I got over it. But so the last thing they had was this medicine wheel. And I was looking up what the grandmother moon totem meant.

And what does it mean? you know yeah apparently it's like the spirit that guides the um cycles of life and mostly as it's tied to the cycles of the feminine energy so feminine life cycles menstruations how that's tied to the tides and the seasons so it's supposed to be the guidance for the female soul i ended up sitting on it which is cool because i mean i'm a girl dad it's only women in my house right so i'm like and then and it was basically saying like you should open yourself up to the sacred feminine and the feminine side in you and that like see how cycles can process cleansing of life death yada yada so saying like you need to open up your feminine side and i'm like that's the only side in my house i ain't got no option but to open up to the feminine side they're like well how come you're not wearing sandals prop

basically if you open to the feminine side as j GZA said, in Liquid Swords, because it's feminine like sandals. GZA got some questionable lines. I was like, I don't know what the hell this means. I think I'm bringing it up like once a week. This is my favorite. Gotta remind him. It'll never shake it. And that's a minimum of feminine like sandals.

Yes. I was like i remember immediately just every once in a while you just say like what's wrong with sandals man that's all we're asking ourselves you know that was what's wrong with sandals i was like you haven't been to the beach you don't wear sandals at the beach tim's only at the beach tim's only hell of new york like yeah or dead ass tim's wallabies or fucking you gotta wear clark wallabies or fucking tim's to the beach nothing tim's to the beach just fully dressed in a hoodie in the ocean like come on fam it's not even functional. Anyway. Yeah, I don't think Wu-Wear had much beach attire. There was no board shorts for Wu-Wear.

Just gigantic hockey jerseys, which I had two of. So, yeah, that's my last search engine. What is something you think is overrated? I always have a hard time with this when I come on this show. But this is the one week, the one episode I've been on where I'm, like, really prepared. And the thing I find the most overrated right now is letter writing. There are all kinds of people who are like, oh, you know what would be cool? Is to write my sister a letter.

Or my mom and dad letters. Like, I'm going to sit down with a piece of paper and a pen and I'm going to write a letter. Like, why? You're just just gonna cramp Your hand your poor hand is gonna cramp up your wasting paper You have to then get a stamp and then you have to go to the post office or you have to go to the whatever Like the mailbox in your building or your house. It's just too much work for what? You know someone's gonna crumple it up and throw it the fucking trash

Right who saves letters nobody saves letters except for characters in jane austen novels like get out of here with this letter writing horseshit people in like love after lockup and i have all the letters he sent me from the inside yeah yeah who saves letters or saved letters fucking charles manson letters fucking charles manson the menendez brothers scott peterson shall i continue who does who is it i mean because i try and look at it practically the reason i don't write letters is because i have much quicker ways to communicate with people and i guess i don't see i'm not too attached to like i guess the whimsical or the you know the the value uh that makes letter writing sort of attractive but i don't also like i just i write big block letters and i'll fill up a page in like three sentences oh yeah my handwriting is fucking poor right that's another thing but

my mother has beautiful handwriting and she'll like send her letters with like perfume okay so i'm like bob who gives a fuck just send me an email type it text me just don't call me because i don't have time to talk don't verbally speak to me yeah please whatever you can do efficient conversation is more important than good conversation in my opinion what's gonna be our letter writing because i can see why your mother would say email she loves it because i might say like i look at my my parents my grandmother she had fucking beautiful handwriting like in a way that i was like i get it this is like graffiti for you know people at home like they're like let me throw up this beautiful letter but i'm trying to think of what our dated sort of mode of communication that we'll insist on.

Then people are like, we're off that. We're all meeting in the metaverse, ho. I think there's like a classiness veneer to letter writing that like still persists with some young people. Like that it's like artisanal emails. That's why I fucking hate it. Artisanal email thank you note. artisanal emails that's why i hate it email thank you note and yeah yeah there is something about getting a nice handwritten note you know after the fact as a gesture i i see the value and maybe it's like as a gesture like i've come with something like oh wow look at that that's

handwriting that's a little more effort hard uh go to hallmark and get me a card go papyrus if those still exist give me a greeting card thanks sign whoever miles like i don't need you to write a fucking tome about how great my wedding was just get out of here do you feel pressured to then return it is that yes of course hell no yeah you have essentially given me extra work. Yeah. By doing the work yourself, you have forced me to give you the labor that you have so graciously bestowed upon me. No, thank you. If I don't do it, then I'm the bad guy. And in a sense, it's ableism because I do not have the ability to write. My handwriting fucking sucks.

I'm left-handed. I'm horrible. I'm all over the place smudge the shit out of it so it's like they're wagging in my face their ability to write beautifully and it's just they they don't understand what what it would be like if i tried to write them back yeah it would be an ordeal for both of us i think our version of it our generation's version of this sort of artisanal horse shit is aol instant messenger or gchat you know it's like already dead yeah it's already dead but we're like oh remember when you come home from school and you just like talk all night with like

your crush and you'd send you know little emojis that weren't actually emojis because you had to use like a colon and parentheses to make a smiley face. I remember that. It sucked. It was not that great. It was fine. It was a mode of communication. That's it.

I don't see anything like cool about it. Oh, shit. Are you playing the sound? I was like, what the fuck is that? Oh, my God. Oh, wow. I am about to pop out of my trousers. Oh, wow. Wow. I am about to pop out of my trousers here. Oh, shit.

This is so exciting. I know you're hitting up Smarter Child and saying, hey, what time is Mortal Kombat playing at the AMC North 6? Yeah, where are we riding to tonight, boys? Or just, like, flirting with a girl all night and having, like, a really intense conversation that amounts to absolutely nothing. Oh, oh boy i think she really likes me oh i wonder what it's gonna be like at school tomorrow which is so which i guess makes sense why like on like app dating is so

it has like kind of similar energy but most people don't have the same passion for it like we did aim because a lot of people like it's just like i'm dating over text i'm like that is pretty much the only way I was communicating with people at a certain point yeah we weren't allowed to have phones in our rooms and we had cell phones but like they weren't yeah we we didn't have um you know iPhones at the time so it was just like well let's get on aim and we'll figure it out get on aim and just have very lewd conversations over text in someone's family room the computer is stationed good lord yeah the computer was just like riddled with viruses and all kinds of horrible things were being said kind of like now i guess yeah it's not that different it's just like a test run for the internet pretty much what is something you

think is underrated costco kirkland signature yeah i think it's underrated which thing though which goes to like late focus in well focus on focus in is buying booze at costco yeah like that's something that if you're not doing at home do it now like you're you're wasting your money you're wasting your life away if you're not buying booze at Costco, having a party, you don't want, and get the booze at Costco.

Get the booze at Costco. It's half the price and it's twice the size. Right. And they have all of their mixers, like their, their gallon drinks. Those are also cheaper. And you just like stock up,

go and go every quarter. You don't even need to wait for a party don't be shame like go on your own like on the first of every month stock up and like just make it a part of your your ritual your routine right yeah do they have wine while we're on the subject do they have oh absolutely they have the what's the wines. There's the regular wine bottle, but then there's the giant. Magnum. Magnum. They have magnums for $6.

I think a Jeroboam is the biggest one. Is it Jeroboam? Then there's a Nebuchadnezzar. It's like an even bigger bottle. Right. I had a religion teacher tell us this when we were 16. Is that true? Yeah.

It's like, the biggest wine bottle. And you're like, what? Fool. You were just talking, wait, what? Fool. Like, you were just talking about the passion of Jesus Christ. Well, it's hard to imagine how it can get bigger than those big ones. Like, how do you even carry that? It's like the size of a kiddie bowl. It's because it's just like a stupid, I guess, I don't know.

I just tuned out because he would show, like, a man for all seasons rather than, like, teaching. And that was, like was his whole curriculum. And talking about gigantic wine bottles. So anyway, shout out to you. I also have kitchen shears on this list. I think people bust out a cutting board and a knife for any old thing. You can just cut it. Just stand it above the pan.

Snip, snip, snip. Sausages, carrots. Yeah. And then I also have the TV show veronica mars it's a cult classic i love it i think it's kristen bell's best work yeah i bought a yellow nissan exterra because of that show did you really no but i i thought that was a cool car then and i and i every time i every time I see it, I'm like, yeah, all right. Yeah. Stand by it. You could, you could be like, Hey, who's that?

Who's that? That completely missed me. Is that a, it's like detective. Yeah. It's like a, it's like a. Grimey or Nancy drew in what looks like van.

Nice. California. Got it. No no like magical element to it no magic element but it was only three seasons it got canceled and then the fan base was so committed that 10 years later they completely crowdfunded a movie right and then hulu picked it up for the last season nice yeah all right well let's take a quick break and we will be right back i've been thinking about you i want you back in my life it's too late for that i have a proposal you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. One session. 24 hours.

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and super corny dad jokes. Listen to In Our Own World as a part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and don't worry we promise to avoid any black holes most of the time and we're back um and miles you uh brought this article in Vice to my attention about people who are developing. Yeah, it's sociogenic, also called functional disorders. I've called them psychogenic before because, you know, that's what they're referred to in some places because the cause tends to be located in the brain.

tends to be located in the brain. But it's basically people who are developing tics based on who they follow on TikTok and people they follow on TikTok having tics. The article also talks about people who can read an article about someone with MS and then start developing the symptoms of MS. So like similar kind of cognitive basis for physical illnesses. And this hit at the same time that like this is starting to become taken more seriously

in the Havana syndrome conversation. So yeah. And the whole thing with this, like they said, like gens, there's a lot of young people between like 12 and 25 that have developed like physical tics. And a lot of these kids may were possibly convinced that they had Tourette's or something like that. But when they would go to doctors who specialize in it, they're like, this technically isn't Tourette's. It is a physical tic, but this wouldn't essentially be Tourette's because that would develop at a much earlier age for someone. And these specialists who, like, as they say, their whole thing is about Tourette's, they've said that they've seen referrals for these kind of like rapid onset of like physical ticks. It used to just be around one to 5% of their total cases before the pandemic, it's now 20 to 35% of their cases now. And they, they, the researchers, they quote, describe a quote, parallel pandemic of young people, age 12 to 25, almost exclusively girls and women presenting with the rapid onset of complex motor and vocal tick like behaviors. There've been striking commonalities in the phenomenology of these tick like behaviors observed across our centers in Canada, the United States, the UK, Germany, and Australia.

Curiously, the researchers state that for the patients they studied, in addition to experiencing pandemic-related stressors, all endorsed exposure to influencers on social media, mainly TikTok with ticks or Tourette's syndrome. mainly TikTok with tics or Tourette's syndrome. So it's like this weird thing where there, you know, a lot of people who develop these tics are saying, you know, people don't believe them or people with Tourette's like, that's not Tourette's, like you're faking this shit. And it's like causing a lot of distress and things like that. But these experts are really finding this thing of like this, the isolation and just general stress for certain people has created this environment in which they're now sort of like like the the the content that they've been exposed to on tiktok is feeding into that now i didn't know there was a tit like tiktok but the interesting thing about that is it i feel like there is some sort of subconscious survival

mechanism there even though it doesn't make sense to us because it sounds like tics would be quote unquote negative in our sense. But if you're watching what you consider like an influencer or socially, you know, higher up than you or someone you admire and you're a teenage girl, like one of the most important things at that time for survival is to feel accepted so i could totally draw the line i mean i'm not a scientist this could be wrong but my first thought is subconsciously your body wants to like adapt and fit in so it would pick that up because i remember when we were in high school people were saying speaking like valley girls there was a girl who faked her voice all through

high school just like she it wasn't her real voice but she would just fake it and she would never go break character but when she was younger it wasn't like that right it was just to sound like a little more like a girly girl like that was the whole thing and it's it's wild because it's you know they've tried to figure out from every level like is it really this but they keep going back to the thing that they said in some cases the patient specifically identified an association between these media exposures and the onset of their symptoms so it's just this this converse this i don't know this back and forth between the psychological emotional and physical that are all kind of manifesting into this other you know they say like in like a mini pandemic within the pandemic yeah i guess i'm curious if it's dangerous i mean

i understand anything unknown is scary and we want especially if it's spreading that fast but and like definitely something about this is unsettling but i'm curious why they've like named it an epidemic like is my understanding that there are a lot of ticks that are harmless that might just be annoying right or not annoying but like yeah right and some people report ones that are harmless that might just be annoying right or not annoying but like yeah right and some people report ones that are way more violent and like they will hit themselves or they're okay you know and it could be something from just some people were just saying beans a lot uh other people would just like you know have other things like like scrunching their nose or other sort of physical ticks but it ran the entire spectrum of these sort of involuntary movements. not like to approach it as like, OK, so this is expressing like some subconscious need or is kind of counterproductive because it's really like more about approaching it from the neurological perspective.

a lower back pain and fever and chills and then like went to the hospital and like they couldn't figure out what was wrong with him and he like couldn't for a year and a half like nobody knew what was wrong with him it was uh like he he couldn't walk anymore and then this expert was just like no it's not like it's not a thing it the doctors eventually were like, it's psychogenic. It's starting in your brain. And he was like, fuck you, because that's like there's a stigma to it. And it sounds like, oh, you're we can possibly comprehend machine with like so so much happening. And we only have like a access to like a small little pinhole of consciousness. And so you're not choosing anything. This is something that's happening to you and that that seems like basically the scientific consensus at this point even though like the way that the new yorker and some other new york times articles have covered it has been like well these doctors think it's this brain injury caused by microwaves

like anybody who's an expert like says like it's impossible what you're talking about is physically impossible the sound waves thing people are still calling it ultrasound they point out that like when we use ultrasound on like a pregnant woman's belly like that gel is there because if there's a single little pocket of air in between like the ultrasound and uh the thing it's trying to reach it'll completely destroy it like you can't ultrasound can't travel through air sound can't travel through air in an effective way microwaves same deal like you would basically feel like you were being cooked in a microwave oven, not like you are having a very specific targeted thing in your brain. The other thing they point to is that with these functional disorders, like the symptoms usually last longer than a physical

injury. Because what's happening is it's like getting locked into because of like stress and fear and like social conditions. It's getting locked into like neurological pathways. And then you can't get out of them because it's not actually a physical thing that you're recovering from. With regards to Havana, they said one of the reasons that they can tell that it's a functional disorder is that the people like if all these people had just been like hit on the head with something very heavy, like that's not what happened. But like they were saying they like had brain trauma. If everybody had had suffered brain trauma at the time that they felt like they had been attacked, they would have healed within weeks. But instead, they're still experiencing these symptoms like years later. And so that is a text, a textbook sign that this is a functional disorder. It's just wild that they because even as you're saying that, like there's phrases like, oh, it's in your head, right, which we come to know as like, you're making it up. But then when you said it in a scientific way, like it's something happening in the brain. We're like, yeah, that's a physical part of your body. It's actually a pretty important part of your body. Something, it also does other things,

right? Like regulate your blood flow or whatever. Like it does other things that we're not like, can't believe you lifted your arm. It's all in your head. It's like, yeah, no, my, my brain told me to lift my arm so that I can answer this question. Why is that different from like, it's hurting my back. Except in this case, I don't know why, like just because it came from my brain doesn't mean I'm all asshole. Who's doing this to waste your time,

doctor, you know, expensive. So I find that like, it's such a strange cognitive dissonance of our healthcare system. I think people get so scared to be like seen as like hokey or like veering into like any alternative medicine that we forget that there are a lot of old, like old ways, ancient medicine, ancient learnings that aren't perfect, but neither are Western medicines. And like, if we just take that line away and just look at more truth, we can bridge the gap and

figure out more things. Yeah. Or in this case, just being able to not revert to like this very rigid way of diagnosing things like, you know, like really and to your point of being open and things like, yeah, this if they're saying it, it's we should also know that it's very quite possible that they're experiencing something that is not known to me because I might not have an area of expertise in this place but take this person's word for it rather than saying like ah yeah whatever you're just you're fucking tripping yeah there's a lot more research now about like what like emdr and all that stuff about how you can actually reprocess those patterns that don't get stored correctly and it's a little different than this but it sounds similar when you said it there's like a path kind of that gets glitchy and you repeat a glitch over and over it's very

similar addiction yeah addiction therapy is like very similar but so this guy jason lindsley who now is like openly like i suffered from this thing called a functional movement disorder for a year and a half. The way that he treated it was he met with this guy who's an expert, or actually it's a woman in Louisville, Kentucky, who's an expert who basically just did these, like got him to be on board with it. It's like, no, it's not, it's not a mental thing. It's a neurological brain thing that you have no control over. They put him through these therapies that were just about motor retraining designed to overcome his resistance to normal movements. Physical therapists began by asking him to take minuscule movements of his feet and he spent part of each day undergoing cognitive behavioral

therapy. And like a week later, he walked out of the clinic like nothing had ever been wrong with him. And so it's yeah. And he's like, yeah, that's what what it was. It was a functional disorder. That doesn't mean like I had something wrong with me. Right. It's just that's the thing that happens. I do think it's interesting that we're seeing more and more of these functional disorders at a time when we're having more and more, you know, Teresa, like you were saying, like kind of having to sublimate and like deal with stress and like use cognitive dissonance just to get through our day-to-day lives. Like just having to deal with the fact that we live on a planet that is like dying and

nobody's doing anything about it. And, you know, it just seems like there's more internal stress that we're not able to address or even express in our day-to-day lives than ever before. So it kind of makes sense to me that we would be having these things like kind of coming out of our unconscious and attacking our body more than we have in the past. Well, and the age is interesting too, because like, I think I'm just beyond that age

where even though I can be internet savvy, most of my development years were spent in the real world. Like, you know, screens and apps weren't as big. Whereas with the pandemic plus the internet age, Gen Z, I think virtually in their brain don't distinguish an interaction

online versus in real life. Like they can tell you it is. It's not like they're like, I can't tell. But in terms of like, if someone confesses their love, if someone bullies them, I think that in their brain, it has a semi effect.

They're hitting the same spot. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Whereas for me, it might be different because I remember, you know, wanting to go to the school dances and getting and flirting in person. I've had my share of flirting online, but it's a little bit different because I was older. You know what I mean? Like I didn't have. Right.

It's not like that, like first introduction to those sensations. So I feel like that must be a part of it too because they're online and they're developing by watching whereas we can just scroll past thinking oh it's just like a character on a screen sure i mean it's just yeah but there i mean we i mean i was definitely like i modeled shit off of tv when i was younger so it there maybe just jim carrey face I was going around everywhere going like somebody stop me. I know. I know. We've seen the

tattoo. But the whole thing with this. My whole green mask tattoo? Yeah. We're like, yo, get that lasered off or what? Miles still enters every room like Kramer kicks in the door and slides in. Yeah. Whoa. When I say, hey, what's up, Jerry? And they're like, what's up, Jerry?

Nothing. Anyway. uh no but this it yeah these differences are i think we're starting to see right like we're in an age where there are people who have been interacting with screens and apps that are designed to manipulate your brain and then you're adding these iso like the isolation of a pandemic plus like the lack of social contact and additional stress and things like that it's i can only imagine like that this is probably some we're seeing an experiment basically play out on some level of trying to understand like how all of these things may interact at a certain age but yeah it's but i mean it's so the havana syndrome syndrome things happening to like grown adult bureaucrats, know there's like a lot of new shit happening. Like I do think that just across the board, everybody's under more stress than they've ever,

ever been under. And it's like stress that nobody's acknowledging kind of is, is my, you guys got to shake it out. Okay. Look, I know it sounds like on your head. I, I used to just like, when I get sad, I would just start shaking my butt. And I thought that was funny. But over the pandemic, I started realizing that this isn't just a weird thing I do. I think it's like a smart thing I do. I think it's like the stress needs to come out some way. So shake your butt at home, guys.

Do it safe. Shake your butt to yourself. Okay, don't flash anybody. That doesn't want to be flashed when you shake your butt are you like half are you like what do you mean you just like going like this like you're trying to shake your butt are you doing a dance like what i wish my computer wasn't slow because i i could hear you were shaking but i could not see it i could just be frozen right it's like since i was a kid i know it sounds ridiculous as an adult

woman i'm like i'm shaking my butt but like babies literally will like shake their butt like that you know yeah and I and then I'm growing up to actually dance and twerk and whatever so yeah I'll put on music I like and like actually start to move around and feel myself you know like this is a fun move whatever yeah but I'll do that sometimes for like 10 minutes while I'm cooking and just uh it seems silly but during pandemic when I was like the most isolated it was almost like a daily thing it just i just get the urge to do it and i think it was literally my body being like time to get all the news of today out through your butt like just get it out you know but yeah yeah oh there's your cult yo there's your cult though you get people shaking

their butts and like you know you but you give them like that through your information right they process information but then process that through butt wiggling but okay i could go for that like we're getting closer to a call i might actually take on so yeah you know i could do that brick by brick we're gonna build this thing at first we said like when you feel sad you shake your butt i was just picturing someone like crying while like just sadly shaking their butt. That's not too far off, Jack. That's making a clap too. All right, let's move on to where we're at with unemployment in the U.S.

with unemployment in the U.S. I know like in the in the mainstream media, there's a lot of headlines about U.S. misses its jobs number for fucking whatever, August. I don't know. I don't know whatever month we just lived through. And so that that's going to filter down to us in some sort of probably inhumane policy. But, you know, we've also in the past talked about how other countries are experimenting with a four-day work week and having great results. Yeah, it's just wild to see like when I'm scrolling news headlines, one thing will be like, you know, Scotland also now participating in pilot program for four-day work week. And then the next one is like 7.5 million people will lose some or all of their unemployment benefits. And the just difference in just the basics on how we look at employment and working and the culture around work and what it means for like the actual human beings. Because, yeah, like we've talked about this a lot, how much like we love we love a four day work week around here, like as an idea.

I mean, it makes sense. Of course, whatever is more efficient is what should be happening, because that allows people to live more of their lives with their families or their passions or whatever it may be. And, you know, the last thing we saw was like this huge study that was like years long. They said, hey, man, we're having a real hard time finding an excuse why a 32-hour work week wouldn't be good for people right and most recently i think in 2019 in japan microsoft japan again but japan is fucking you want to talk about work culture where like you know japan with a few places people like in a modern country or developed country where people die from overworking, like an office job and like that kind of exhaustion. So for Japan to kind of even engage with like, maybe there's a better way to do this.

I was like, OK, well, what's going on? So Microsoft, they gave twenty three hundred. They're like all their employees, twenty three hundred of them in Japan specifically. They said you can choose like your own, you know, flexible work style. That's going to kind of come out to a four day work week. And let's just see if there would be something good that comes out of it. They fucking had a 40% increase in productivity and then like exponential growth in people's like feelings of positivity and like just feeling better about their quality

of life just because they had the flexibility to figure out how they could work in a more efficient way. They even said, look, we're not even going to have fucking meetings that are more than 30 minutes. Like, let's really figure out how to make things as efficient as possible. In the U.S., we've had a congressperson introduce a bill that he's saying like, yeah, in America, we should look at a 32-hour work week. We really need to do it because all of the data we have supports this move. And again, as he says, shorter work week would benefit both employers and employees alike. Pilot programs run by governments and businesses across the globe have shown promising results. Productivity climbed. People reported better work-life balance less need to take sick days

heightened morale and lower child care expenses because people had more times with their families and children it's just all fucking there but we won't do it and meanwhile you know you juxtapose that with what we're looking at in the u.s which is cut the benefits to force someone into a situation where they have to take a job that they don't want because yeah that's where we're at that's the that currently the like the philosophy or at least a lot of the economic analysts are like well we have eight and a half million people unemployed and we have 10 million job openings so i think that's gonna fit fucking problem you know yeah that's gonna fit like a fucking glove and we continue to see that that's not the case. And we still get these same dumb fucking fake ass talking points or the unemployment benefits are making people lazy and shit like that. And there was a new new research came out for every eight workers who lost benefits. Only one found a job. So even people who lost jobs, they were having trouble finding

the work that was actually relevant to them. They said the leading reasons why unemployed aren't taking jobs have little to do with government money and everything to do with health and economic crisis, childcare scarcity and cost, fear of getting or spreading COVID-19 and taking care of someone with the disease or getting sick themselves, according to the survey. or getting sick themselves, according to the survey. And we're kind of like stuck in this loop of like, just only measuring our success based on shareholder value. It's so toxic the way that the mainstream media covers this shit, because these are people making the best decisions for their health,

for their ability to survive. It's the same shit with the unhoused population. It has gone down, but they're more conspicuous now because they are not going to shelters anymore because they know that shelters are deadly because there are COVID outbreaks there in a lot of cases. And so they're living on the streets and accumulating things that they need to live on the streets. So now you are seeing the unhoused population in your community much more than you used to. And the like, it's not being covered as like, yeah, of course they're doing that because that's what is saving their lives. Like that's what

it's just being covered like, this is disgusting like it's a problem and like the same with like people not going back to work it's like turned into laziness instead of you don't want to be out in like a place that doesn't respect your fucking like yeah like your health like right especially right now while we're living through a global pandemic but the like that's everywhere everywhere, across the center. Yeah, we did an episode on we, the royal we. I did an episode on Hood Politics about the ending of these unemployment benefits and what Miles brought up as far as the theory being,

well, if you're getting free money, why would you go back to work and how that's just not playing out like the the the owner of um what's the job monster was was the the job site yeah he was like we just not seeing it in the states that y'all ended it early booze ain't applying for jobs and i when we when we did that episode, there was a, what was in the news then was like Applebee's was offering free appetizers for if you came to get an interview. And to me, it's like, to your point, Jack, like when you think about economic models like economy models you know sociological trends it's like i just there's this weird like but are y'all talking to actual people though no no because like your models and who are you modeling it by i remember in economics i remember my undergrad you had they

had the the the average man was like what you, what you modeled all of your economic models on. But like, that's not a real person. You know, nobody has, nobody actually has 2.5 kids. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's not a person. So it's like, how you modeling your whole model and what you telling me things is happening based on a human that don't exist if you just actually talk to a human that exists this shit makes perfect sense why would i go back to his job you had a year off on a job to realize this job was some bullshit i was tired all the damn time i ain't like to work and you ain't pay me enough

why the hell would i go back right like did just like this just seems so easy like or if you an employer just go i wonder why nobody's coming giving getting our jobs maybe we should offer appetizers or maybe you should offer benefits my nigga right like how about pay them better how about treat people better why you think did and just like yeah the homeless thing it's just like it's like y'all not talking to actual people. This shit makes sense if you just talk to actual people. Right. Yeah. Because everything is done on a balance sheet. And that's why it's so violent, because it doesn't take into account people's humanity. They just look at, well, eight and a half million people with no jobs.

I got 10 million jobs opening. The recovery is only a matter of time. But it's right there for you. opening, the recovery is only a matter of time, but it's right there for you. Yeah. They're not just, yeah. It's just the idea there. You know, they're not just looking at it as humans. They can't do it. There's no nuance to it. It's not eight and a half million desperate people. You know what I mean? It's, and they're not seeing it. It's not, this is not eight and a half million people where maybe many of them need to take care of a sick child or have a parent they have to take care of me it's definitely the way they look at it it definitely can't be someone who's living in a region where housing and food insecurity is like a real threat yeah it certainly isn't somebody who

is going through an emotionally trying time because they've lost a lot of loved ones and a job and it's an omni crisis for this this because it's easier just to say, well, this number plus this number equals problem solved. But that works only for a little bit, because now you're just seeing all of the blood and carnage that comes out of treating people like fucking numbers and not as human beings with individual needs that have to be taken into consideration. Yeah. And it's not accurate. And it's becoming less and less so like on, it could happen here. The, your fellow cool zone media podcast daily show with Robert Evans. Our LeBron James. Yeah. Robert's our LeBron James. We get it. There you go. Okay. But they, they interviewed an economist who was saying that now that everything is fucked, basically, now that we are living in a, you know, post-normal world where like everything from temperatures to disease spread to,

you know, the environment are no longer at a point of equilibrium that they call it like you need to be thinking about the economy as the way that like desert environmentalists think about the desert, which is like if you if you average the temperature of a desert, it's going to give you like 70. But that's because it drops to 40 and then goes up to 110 in the morning. But like economists are working on it from from an average. morning but like economists are working on it from from an average and yeah it's just not gonna it's not going back to the average any any time soon yeah i think when i when i another one of my past lives when i when i was teaching high school i taught in like this the school was like right smack dab in between sort of three different like hoods. And there was a little boys and girls club that was like across the street from the school.

And I remember my the administration put together this total like tutoring and after school program. I mean, boy, when I tell you they was breaking their arms, patting themselves on the back with this little after school program they did, this enrichment for these inner city kids who need these programs. And for the life of them, I remember sitting in this meeting, me and I remember the vice principal was, he was from Compton. So we used to just look at each other during these meetings and just be like, what are y'all doing? You know'm saying but i don't know where they are they don't know where they are right so they would make yes they and just just so confused i remember these people just being so befuddled as to why students that they thought needed this wouldn't come why aren't they in that part of the and i'm like that part of town like you i don't even have to finish it i don't even have to finish it. I don't even have to finish it.

It's there for them. It's like you. Wow. You OK? You trying to ask this kid to walk through Fallujah? You know what I'm saying? To go to like, like, no, like it's just just the fact that like. I just don't understand why I have to tell you this. Like you work here.

You talking to the same students I'm talking to. Like, I don't understand what you don't understand. Like have to tell you this. Like you work here. You talk to the same students I'm talking to. Like, I don't understand what you don't understand. Like, what is you looking at? And like you said, you looking at documents, you're saying, well, the average temperature is 70 degrees. Right. Exactly. OK. It's equidistant for many of the students who would be served by this facility. So it's easy to walk to. I don't understand. Oh, we're off for snacks. Yeah. Wait, what does it mean to go on the other side of hyde park oh i don't know yeah you know what i mean yeah and they're out here like huh it's it's really yeah and again it's because we don't have we're not taking into

account people's humanity we have people who look at human life as facts and figures and we just can't we're it's just it's wild to i think all of us because even in the situation you're talking about or we're talking about if you speak to people and understand what the threat the threats are to their well-being then you can actually make a better decision rather than just like this brutal fucking math of like eight and a half million fucking people no job 10 million jobs cut the fucking benefit and let's see what happens because the first thing in this research that was done too they said when people's benefits get cut off the first thing isn't that they go looking for a job they start tightening up and they start spending less that's what happened that's the first thing

people do not go say okay well now i guess i'll take a job that will not acknowledge my offer me any dignity or anything or acknowledge my humanity and i'll go back to this old way so yeah it's a it's tough and then like and then i also hear i have i have people who i know who are like well it's different i have a small business and things like that well then you should be advocating for medicare for all because hell yeah think about it those aren't costs those aren't costs you would have to have anymore because that shit would be covered and i know. And I know that's a huge item that a financial burden as an employer is providing those things. So then get on board because you can make it easier for yourself too. And I'm not trying to say it's all that simple, but we really need to begin to shift how we look at the most basic issues and put humanity at the forefront or people's individual experience to understand how to give people the best outcomes with these policies i love how you even add like just the this is in your own best interest situation it's like if you got employees

happy people stick around like i want you to like it here you know i'm saying like so like i don't understand like that's to your benefit you know i'm saying and like you said when i think about like my assistant that you know i pay like i pay her what i pay her because i don't want her to leave right she good at her job so i'm like okay well what's it gonna take for you to be for you to have to go be somebody else's assistant to make ends meet because i'm like i can't afford that i need your attention so i'm gonna pay you enough to make sure your attention's here and if you say if you tell me that's a problem like hey i'm gonna need a little more we moving to this then like all right let's figure it out because i can't afford to lose you like it don't make I'm not gonna be like well you should be

lucky I'm letting you like nah like even on a selfish situation that's what I'm saying even in my own self-interest it makes sense to be like oh you telling me you telling me insurance is off my books it's on the state's books hell yeah right I ain't gotta pay for it okay cool let's go you know like y'all they tripping man i don't understand why nobody it just seems so logical like you said right and it's and i think because we're we have so much propaganda that we're hit with constantly that it's it takes a lot of time effort to even look past all that shit and try and see the things for what they are and it's tough for a lot of people but until until we really get there, I mean, we're going to just keep making these same mistakes.

I mean, I will just say that it's, you know, look at Jeff Bezos. Like, you know, there's the examples where it's better, it's more sustainable for society. But we also have a world's richest man that the last 25 years have created whose primary innovation was treating people like shit. So like the rewards are there for the people who do the short term thinking and just grind it until the wheels fall off. And like and then they get to go to space. And when they go to space, it gets covered five times as much as climate change yes so it's just it's it's a large social problem of like what what we reward with our attention and what we reward with like the the rewards in our in our culture yeah we have to redefine what ballin is yeah and ballin should just be providing for your community. That's ballin.

You know, not exploiting the people that work for you so you can take off on a spaceship. That's like early 2000s ballin. And, you know, I think we don't we're not connecting like how much how much good comes out of people having empathy. of people having empathy and that that is truly something that, you know, I wish societally we could reward people with more for having that at the forefront of the things that they do. Yeah. All right. Let's take another quick break and we'll be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project.

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Yeah. Like these generals, they're big and handsome. And they told me, they said, you're the greatest president since Washington, maybe. And this one contained like big firefighters coming to sweep him off his feet. Huge. Huge. Huge. These firefighters were huge.

And they whisked me out of there. Took me to their place. There's even a supercut of him talking about big, strong guys. Look at the size of that guy. Powerful guy. You know, I have a friend. Big guy. One of the biggest in the world.

That's some big people behind me. Powerful guy. Big, strong guy. Big, strong guy. Big, big guy, one of the biggest in the world. That's some big people behind me. Big strong guy. Big strong guy. Big strong guy. I mean, you know, so he's definitely like, yeah, I'm sure. He loves him. Friend, big guy, one of the biggest in the world. Big Gary, they call him.

The biggest. Had biceps the size of Christmas hams. Did he say the Christmas hams thing? It sounds so old, folky, you know, biceps. They were like the kinds of chains they used to

put on the side of Navy battleships. So strong. So strong. You think he... I wonder if low-key he's paid an artist to do like a, like a romance novel cover with him being swept away by one of these, like these big guys he's always talking about, you know, like a Fabio-esque sort of just big chiseled guy. You should have seen him.

He swept me away from the rubble. Really, I felt so safe in his arms. And that's how I want the country to feel with my new military plan. Tori, the Fabio made me feel. You're just in you're just tender tender tender tender and you're in the arms of a guy with biceps the size of christmas hams just as sticky yeah just as smoky and you're like how'd you get the clothes in there and the little pineapple circus the hatch work on the cut on the fat is really impressive all right well i guess it shouldn't be surprising given who was elected president in 2016 that america hasn't been like super respectful classy uh when it comes to never forgetting 9-11. So our writer, J.M., kind of took a look back at 9-11, the national tragedy, and merchandising bonanza.

Uh-oh. And yeah, there's some wild shit in here. So there was a big run of coins that came out very early on. There was a medallion allegedly made from recycled steel from the world trade center that cost a mere thirty dollars and they this is you know noble they set aside five thousand to ten thousand medallions for the victim's families at no charge so like this is kind yeah so we we turned this murder scene into a neck chain for other people to buy but here's a free one for you because it's such a terrible loss so sorry

in 2004 there were coins supposedly minted from silver recovered at ground zero which i don't know from the pocket change of the victims like wasn't there that like rumor that there was this like vault or something in the fucking basement oh there was some i just remember some weird folksy bullshit thing of like you know there was like a lot of precious metal in there too but i don't know i mean it could be true but maybe it was recovered but i remember that was like a big like a ground zero three kings where they're like going in. Depending on, yeah, what part of the internet you were on at the time.

Right. So these, they actually claimed, were legally authorized silver dollars, which they weren't. They were actually made by a novelty company that also produced Harry Potter coins, which also not acceptable as legal tender as far as i know and then in in 2011 the federal government started selling their own 9-11

commemorative coin for uh 56.95 you gotta mark it up so that you know you take advantage of the the fact that it's the real deal from From the people who brought you 9-11. Here's the 9-11 coin. What are you doing, y'all? Sorry about our foreign policy, y'all. Here's a coin. Directed by M. Night Shyamalan. Sponsored by M. Night Shyamalan.

Featuring M. Night Shyamalan. For $56.99. Who could say no? What a specific number, too. Why does it have to be $57? Like, what is... You know. Is the market number to make you feel like, oh, they were thinking about how valuable that is? Probably, yeah. They could have just said $100. But I think it's really probably worth close to $57.

The government is honest with their pricing. There was, in non-coin related merchandise, the 9-11 coloring book for children which you know and nipple tassels for the ladies i'm sure yeah that there was an image of osama bin laden being executed while cowering behind a woman in a muslim hijab and which is the text from the page yeah yeah so this is so funny man like they just basically turn never forget and to be like never forget we're now painting all people from the middle east as evildoers never forget that's the script we're sticking to now like it was never about the united states because that's just this malleable concept that people bandy around so disingenuously to bolster whatever fucked up

ideology they have it's never about the actual country just sort of saying well this is the thing you can't attack so i'll put the country in front of me and then that will protect whatever nonsense i'm advocating for because it was like the other thing with the merchandise is i remember every tv show they were like doing stuff and people fucking wrapped up in the flag and shit and crying. And they're like, I just feel so special to be part of this country. And it truly was put us in this era where you could not criticize the United States. Right. Like people who are on the news saying like, well, the reason people wanted to attack the United States is because of all the destabilizing activity that we do in the region that creates jihadist movements and things like

that and they're like they're vanished because you know a fucking fighter jet is gonna like nut red white and blue over like a football game or some shit well i think a huge part of that is like not that americans aren't or some americans aren't racist already but i think to keep people obsessed with america they have to convince everyone that the rest of the world isn't free and you're the only one that's free and that's why you should be so proud as opposed to like the reality which is there's lots of places that you know free health care and like when you have a baby you can stay home with your baby and oh no what's that place? Sounds scary. Yeah.

Ew. Do they have challenge coins to commemorate their tragedy? They don't have merch, though. That's, I mean. That's where they lose me. You know, it was also, like, one of the most lucrative kind of storylines that America has ever, because after the cold war the military industrial complex didn't really know what to do with themselves and then this gave them a new purpose

so they successfully cashed in but it was generally like seen as not a great look when like walmart recreated the towers out of cases of soda yeah which is there i think a lot of people have seen that picture but you got the red white and blue with the pepsi diet coke and coke cans and then the towers are made of coke zero and the thing is that people were mad that they were mixing pepsi and coke products it was it should have done all pepsi because pepsi solves all of the world's injustices right yes we've long said that yeah can you imagine if they had that same ad agency around 9-11 if they were like with the kendall jenner ad if they tried to do something it's like muhammad atta here i think you just want this pepsi sir yeah yeah she's a flight attendant yeah yeah oh my god yeah it would have been united 93 or whatever the fuck and it would have been a pepsi at this that's what's this again just so weird about everything is that

there's not there's nothing there's no sanctity to anything every because and i think that's really what all this reveals is there's nothing sacred in this country. Absolutely fucking nothing. Not even human life because it'll just be a fucking merch display or a commemorative blanket or a coin because someone else doesn't give a fuck. They just know that they can use these events to make more money or more fear. Yeah, so, wow. Never forget, nothing is sacred here. The 9-11 museum is still open.

The gift shop is still putting out products like a cheese cutting board, a 9-11 commemorative cheese tray where it's in the shape of the United States and their little hearts where the hijacked airplanes went down so you know there's something like meta about taking a knife to a board that commemorates the right something about that this is i'm not sure who made it, but it was an official selection. Like the person who runs the museum's gift shop, which, again, the 9-11 museum maybe shouldn't have a gift shop.

But the person who runs it was like, we're carefully selecting products to make sure they're tasteful. And yeah, and apparently this fell under that category. And it's also just kind of extra fucked up because the 9-11 Museum also has unidentified remains on the premises. So like many relatives of victims have actively protested just the idea of having fucking people selling mugs and t-shirts and scarves well have they

tried the cutting boards yet right because maybe that's some of they are pretty they do look pretty nice yeah yeah what do you what kind of fucking again look there's so many things wrong with this cutting tray cheese board fucking sharku terrorism board that they've got but like the only thing that this has it's a ceramic outline of the united states with just three fucking stars painted on like parts of the northeast yep that's really so they've i'm sure they reappropriated some ceramic mold and said all right put stars there it's 9-11 my next is, if you are putting this platter together, are you like really treating that section of the cheese board as sacred? You're not going to lay a shitload of crackers and shit on top of it. Right.

And like honeycomb and further disrespect. I just don't everything about it. Like, I don't even know how you present it in a way that someone goes, oh, my God, is this a 9-11 commemorative? That's so thoughtful of you like this is you're such an ace with the decor you know and i love it thank you so much and like yeah and these wine 11 glasses that you made i love it i love it i mean those have to exist right is there wine 11 there has to be wine 11 at this point. I mean, haven't we reached that logic conclusion?

Wine 11 can't help but forget or something like that? Oh my God. Wine 11, never forget your corkscrew. There you go. The gift shop is still going today, selling everything from toy cars for $65 that look like just $20 toy cars, but they have never forget written on the hood.

And then there's also like a bunch of t-shirts, 20 years later, limited edition collection of just garbage. I just looked on Etsy and there's some 9-11, like 20 years later, never forget face masks. And I just don't think that the audience right like wears never forget memorabilia and wears a mask ever overlap right yeah it's kind of a wasteful product really that's an interesting person though i'd like where's that new york times profile right they're multifaceted for sure yeah but yeah it's just i don't know multifaceted for sure yeah but yeah it's just i don't know yeah it's a bad i don't know it's bad so it's been 20 years i mean jesus like it's been so long and you think of how things have changed so drastically just in the last few years but how we're still like really having a problem

having a real again because america hates a reckoning having a reckoning with this supposed war on terror and the amount of money that was just hissed away while everything just went by the wayside here in the country yeah i mean it's just i don't know i'm just thinking back of like how that fucking i remember the city in la people were so hopped up on that patriotism shit. It was fucking wild. Like every street turned into some like fucking jingoist. It's just like, everything was a parade suddenly.

Right. Except for specific parts of the city. But yeah, like I just felt like everything else was just a, just this like weird fever dream that people went through those first couple of years and like completely ignored what was actually at stake. Yeah. Hey, but the government knows what they're doing.

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