The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 198 (Best of 10/18/21-10/22/21)

Episode Date: October 24, 2021

The weekly round up of the best moments from DZ's season 207 (10/18/21-10/22/21) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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infotainment laugh extravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Please welcome the hilarious and talented Danny Palumbo. Yeah. Have some fun with it.

It's me, Danny Palumbo, a.k.a. Pecorino Marino, a.k.a. Tony Rigatoni. Hey, there he is. I got pasta aliases. I know. Those are great, man. Let.a. Pecorino Marino, a.k.a. Tony Rigatoni. Hey, there he is. I got pasta aliases. I know. Those are great, man. Let them know.

What's one for Farfalle? Well, we can think of another one. Yeah, bow tie pasta? I don't know. Yeah, right. Anyway, what's new, man? Nothing, man. Just chilling.

Just doing all the credits that y'all mentioned. That's the first time somebody mentioned every single thing I've done before. Hey, that was it. I was impressed by all of them. I don't normally do the whole list, but those are all fucking dope. Well, I needed it because I don't have the one knockout that's like, you've seen him on Conan. Right. You know what I mean?

You got to mention all of those to come together to make a mighty fist, Daniel. Yes. A knockout blow. Yes, if you will. A check swing that gets called strike. If you will. Yeah, I feel for the Giants fans, it was like a magical season. It came out of nowhere to have the best record in baseball. And then, yeah, during during the game i was turning to

my dad is in town uh so it was fun watching watching baseball with the old man and i just kept turning to him being like what you believe this we're getting the dodgers are getting some calls here and then uh they got the ultimate call that that put them on through to the next round yeah and a check swing that wasn't a strike. It was stressful, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, for sure. I felt for everyone, even like when,

whether we were at bat or the Giants were at bat, you're like, fuck, dude, every single throw is like mattering right now. And like a fucking, like a strike three, just was just like, felt like, oh my God. Yeah, yeah. How are you going to come back from everything? The stakes, but that's what I love about

this time of year in baseball, that the stakes are at their highest. Mostly I felt for E40. That was, yeah. You mean Cory Booker? What is something from your search history? Yes. Most recently I searched, how soon can I start packing before a move? And this tells you a few major things about me.

One, most obviously, it tells you that I'm moving in the future. It is at the time of recording. It's October 18th. I'm not moving until December 31st. It's very far out there. And so this also tells you I'm not planning on anything resembling like an in-home social life for the next several months. I've written off my future. It's going to be just boxes and nowhere to sit for a while. And most tellingly, I think it reminds everyone that even in my mid-30s,

I'm still very focused on what is the normal way to go about doing things? I want to make sure, even if I don't follow it, I want to be aware of what it is. So that's like Google is, is my nonjudgmental friend where I can just go like, what's a normal way for a human to move? And then it tells me like, okay, good. It's good to know. It's a Google suggests, by the way, two to three weeks before the move, which is not what I'm I'm insufficient. Google now. Yeah, I'm getting yeah, I'm getting severe. Doesn't sleep the night before a flight. Yeah. Vibes from, you know, like just kind of packs and repacks.

Yeah, that's smart. It's better than the alternative, which I have engaged in many times, which is just kind of throwing everything into a garbage bag. Yeah. Yeah. And then throwing that in the back of a U-Haul. Yeah. Those first moves in or right after college is when you're like just packing up the construction bags. You're like boxes.

No, man, I'll put all these books and pans in a garbage bag and throw them in a truck. Yeah. And the amount of things when i left la for new york it was a very quick move and there are so many things that i'm like that i'll just go without a calendar and i throw it out like things that i would sooner get rid of than like bother finding a new box for it and then as soon as i am in my new place and i'm boiling water oh shit i need a calendar yeah did you try the thing where you just like break the cap or the lid of the thing very slightly and then dump still dump half the pasta out that's oh cracking the lid yeah cracking the lid but it's completely insufficient replacement or

the steam creeps out and burns like part of your hand and then you let go and it's on the sink and like god it's just a fucking failure uh fortunately there are sweatshirts for that so you can just today is we forgot to mention up top national seafood bisque day just to let everybody oh i mean that's what we're celebrating today is that october 18th or 19th 19th 19th i know we're recording it then, but look, a little peek behind the curtain. Sorry about that. As we celebrate this, it will be National Seafood Bisc Day. And you did mention it was Shocktober. Do you celebrate?

Are you an observer of Shocktober? I don't really care for Halloween. It's not like a big holiday for me. But anytime someone says October, very academically correcting them to Shocktober is very fun to me. I really enjoy that. Is that a real thing or that's

just a colloquialism for just because it's spooky October? We call it Shocktober. Or is there like an actual phenomenon I'm missing out on? Not that I know of. I think it's one of those things that was like Shocktober at Knott's Scary Farm. Yeah. Whatever.

Which they really fucked up with the naming of that because it just sounds like it's any other day at Knott's Berry Farm, which is not scary. Yes. Oh, wow.

It's a sound alike. Scary? Beza, what is something you think is overrated? Okay. Controversial. I feel like going out in your 20s, like, all of the going out in your 20s is overrated.

Like, you think you're going to have an awesome night, and then, like, as I get older and now I don't go out, like, go out anymore, you know, like like go to clubs and bars anymore, really. And I like, I realized like how overrated as I wait in line, I get dressed, especially if you're single, you go with a bunch of guys, you get embarrassed by the bounce before you get in, you spend $18 on a beer. Yeah. And then like you spend $18 on a beer.

You try to talk to one girl. She says no. Then you're embarrassed to talk to one girl. She says no. Then you're embarrassed to talk to the rest of the rest of the night. And then you sit, listen to a lot of music. You can't talk. The booth sucks. You don't have a table. It just sucks.

Like you go home and then you're like, that was dope. Right. That was a wild night. You know, it wasn't why we stood around in a corner. Nobody danced. It was just boring. Yeah. And if you guys i'm getting

tired can you go home so i could put on some joker makeup and record some tiktoks it's just a captain right that's what i like to do i get shut down at the bar i get on my joker shit at home it's i just feel like i look back now and i was reminded of this when i saw the movie sorry to bother you you. And like, if you remember, like he goes to like this back, like VIP entrance and he has no fun. And like, he's sitting in a shitty booth and the drink sucks and the people are, it's no fun at all. And then he comes out and they're like, how was it? And he was like, it was dope. Right. Right. Right. And it's like, that's what we're, I feel like that's what we're supposed to say. Cause we spent so much money and

so much time and so much ever doing this thing. i feel like all that going out in your 20s when you're in your 30s is like overrated wow we gotta acknowledge you gotta you got a cat in the background i'm so sorry the cat is going crazy because no it's good no i have cats too and i'm like am i it's because and i know why it's because i came out the room and came right upstairs to do this podcast. So I have completely ignored her. And so she is downstairs knocking everything down off the table. Like, you know, I found off the table. She's like batting pens around and shit.

She's batting pens around. She's knocking computer chargers off. She's just knocking everything she can. Do you think in that time, though, right? Like, I'm trying to think of what the value is, because I certainly didn't learn much when I was going out. I learned what the limits were of like my physical ability to consume like alcohol and drugs. But I wasn't like, man, I learned a lesson tonight at the club, y'all. I feel like just the loud music in particular makes it impossible to communicate. And then it's just a weird, it's like a weird psychological experiment because you just like are purely like you can't even really think you can't talk to other people.

Right. I think the loud music is designed to make you just drink more but i don't know man i always after a while i just started finding places that didn't play loud music i have more fun and far between yeah yeah more fun house parties with places they'll play loud music i like that stuff now even you know what's also interesting is like i'm not a tall guy right and so most men are taller than me and then most women when they go out wear heels that make them taller than me so when i go into a place and i'm like damn i'm the shortest person in here like that's also a weird it's not it's not it's not a great feeling it's just like i'm like man like

but you have more to offer than your height bazaar i I know, but like. I don't look at you and go, look at that man who's all short. The world of people in their 20s don't often care about you. Oh, no, absolutely. It's toxic. That's why, like, the thing about the club is, like, when I go, when I look back and think about what my whole vibe was in there, it was so performative. It was like, yeah, I'm up in here. Yeah, I'm in this section. Okay.

Yeah, exactly. I'm spending the last $3 on my debit card exactly to like ball out and maybe overdraft but i'm not gonna tell nobody in here my roommate in my 20s in chicago worked at a club and he was like he was like do you know how many rental car keys there are in the back like like the valet he was like people are renting cars for the weekend. Oh, just to pull up? Just to pull up. He's like, they rent a car, they go pick up their lady, they pull in the thing,

and it's all fake. They're like, why do you have that big old chunky Hertz navigation system bolted to your dashboard? You're like, I don't know, man. I think somebody pranked me. See, my cat has been quiet now that I'm holding her and giving her attention. Yeah.

Very cute cat. What's your cat's name? This is Gianna, Gigi Bryant, named after Kobe's daughter who passed. I got her the same week that she passed. Damn. Yeah, I feel like it's just, you know, you have the thought stopping with the music. You have, like, everybody's just trying to behave like other people. So they're blending in.

It's like, it's like military training in there. Everyone's just trying to, but I don't mean to say I didn't learn anything. Cause I learned very quickly that performative swag vibes and shit was not for me and was actually like so empty because it kind of takes that thing where like when you're younger and you, you sort of, you club you're like i want to be there i want to be up exactly and i can't wait to be up in it i'm gonna do this shit my way then you go and you're like

this is fucking not for me yeah kind of very quickly begin to learn so yeah i learned who i was thanks to privilege on sunset it's amazing to like it's amazing to like think about what i enjoy now what i look forward to now like i look forward to coming home cooking a meal watching a netflix show that i'm looking for you know i mean like i look forward to it that i would have yeah in my 20s it's like oh i can't wait to go to this club that i'm gonna wait in line for 45 minutes in the cold before the dude lets me in so that so that so i can stand in a corner and not talk to anybody right yeah what is something you think is underrated the national parks of this beautiful country i think i've probably gone on about this on this show before

but we just had a friend get married in yosemite. And dude, as easy as it is to like hate America right now and what it stands for, just go look at it, dude. It's so beautiful. And honestly, like I know fans of this show are probably fans of progressive politics or you just listen to get really angry about progressive politics. But national parks are progressive politics done well it's just perfect

man and like it honestly just fuels my soul dude i've been like going and it got me through the pandemic and um yeah we were in yosemite and we went on the uh hatch hatchy hike which is the reservoir that gives san francisco all its drinking water and it was just dope man like just learning about the attitudes of this country and how they've shifted so like hedge hedgy was used to be a valley and then they flooded it after the san francisco fires none of this i knew before this wedding by the way so san francisco there was like a huge public debate and at the time this early 1900s the prevailing public opinion was that the wilderness is something to be conquered.

Very like manifest destiny sort of attitude. Like it's us versus nature, right? We got to go conquer that shit and show who's the boss, who's the king of the fucking world. Yeah. Dry up all the rivers and lakes and then turn the things that aren't rivers and lakes into rivers and lakes.

That's right. Just because we can. because we're fucking men yeah we gotta we gotta gentrify the woods and yes you know make the deer go find somewhere else to live exactly and so but then there was this guy john muir m-u-i-r i don't know how to say it i just read it yeah and he like he was a all about it early preservationist, you know what I mean? And like, they kind of reached this compromise with Hetch Hetchy because San Francisco burned down and they were like, bro, we need water. And so they kind of like work together to create this situation that worked well for nature and for people. And I was just so fascinated, man. And by the end,

I was like, I honestly needed to hear about a time where people like came together and solved a problem and you know what i mean so i just we had national parks you got to take advantage man everyone we we did so much work in the like new new deal era like the one time that america was able to like consolidate behind progressive and you know socialist ideals and we're just coasting off of that shit like ever since and like slowly undoing that progress yeah man and we're just coasting off of that shit like ever since and like slowly undoing that progress yeah yeah man and it's just like it's the shit that like it should be bipartisan you know what i mean like i've been in national parks and seen dudes in mega hats walking around and i'm just like so i know you love this

right but you know that the guy he wants to drill this for but you know that the guy, he wants to drill this for, you know that, right? Like, that's not here though. That's bears ears. It's like, well,

that's also a national park and monument. What? They're looking for good drilling spots. That's what they're doing there. Yeah. Yeah. I love the idea of a Republican who goes to Sedona to heal on the vortex. It's like,

who's that guy? Who is this cross section of humanity? Yeah. It's Kyrsten Sinema, probably. Yeah. To be honest. Yeah, it's libertarians. Have you been to the Muir Woods in Mill Valley?

No, but now, obviously he's named after him, right? Yeah. I mean, where is that? Daddy John Muir. Mill Valley, up in the Bay Area. No, okay. I got to do that. That'll be next on the list i love it up there man yeah area yeah you're overrated and underrated or sort of at cross purposes because i feel like a lot of the good park space in a lot of the cities around the

country are golf course right that we need to invade and just claim as as parks that we can use this is i bring it up a lot it's from a malcolm gladwell podcast but it's like the one gladwell idea that i was like fuck yeah man he nailed it he's got it how much how many tax breaks are we giving these places we're paying them to keep a bunch of the best land in the middle of the city as a private thing that we're not allowed to go into. That's

the deal that we got. That's crazy. But I won't tell your golf course buddies that you said that shit. I mean, I'll be honest. Look at me dude they know they know they know they know i'm a mole yeah they can tell the way i look out at the green i'm like you know we could really plant some beautiful acorn bearing oak trees

like shut up and hit what if we rewilded this space yeah i look like a guy who lived where they built the golf course and i'm coming out right right also you can't put on pants goofy enough to make them trust you they're like oh those are cool golf spikes can you what do you call those oh there's a birkenstocks pretty pretty standard i call them yuppie stompers, get off my land. Do you even know whose ancestral land this is? Me, a white man. Mine. Emphasis on the H in white.

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Yeah, taking back the power. They're like, no, fuck this. All right. But taking back the power. Yeah. Yeah. that can't compete at all with Netflix, Twitter, and even a company called iHeartMedia. He's coming for us. He's coming for us. I've heard of iHeartMedia. I haven't, but somehow this man has.

And yeah, he also thinks he can go after Amazon's cloud service and like Stripe for like payments and stuff. This is all because he thinks that he can create like essentially an uncancellable Internet infrastructure. So no matter how racist or vile you are, they can't say like, well, we're going to take this hosting service away from you or we're going to take this way of processing payments away from you because he'll have his own versions and that will shield them from any kind of real scrutiny or criticism but the big one i think that was announced today was the truth social platform get ready let's just give a real quick background on like his So this is the third in a series. First, it was from the desk of where he would be issuing communications to publish straight from the desk of Donald Trump. And it was a blog. And like he just didn't. Maybe he hadn't heard of those and he thought he was inventing them. But that that barely got any attention.

And so that went away in July. this is one i didn't even know about he quietly launched a new social media platform called getter which really should be the name of uh larry the cable guy so platform but he went for it g-e-t-t-r and that apparently fell apart which you know he's taking a lot of swings. He's just letting loose. And now he's announced his third, an app dubbed Truth, because, yeah, he thinks that the truth is, I don't know, this is pretty in line with his overall strategy of, like, naming things the exact opposite of what they are. Yeah. Right. of like naming things the exact opposite of what they are yeah right like saying he's a president rather than a despotic fucking imbecile or something wait is donald trump the president uh it depends on which news channel you watch yes because there seem to be competing narratives

but like with the truth thing predictably right posting to the site will be called truthing and fucking each individual post will be known as a truth so i get that they're fully trying to take any meaning out of that word truth by being like yeah i re-truthed that truth from earlier who's your favorite truther oh yeah let me some good accounts for some funny truths to follow on Truth Social. He has trademarked the term truthing and re-truth, which is pretty cool. Oh, that's nice. You'd hope that it would be something a little bit more interesting than that. But, of course, this makes sense because you say absolute lie and you call that your truth. Yeah.

Shockingly, I know this is gonna hold under your butts everyone uh the project launched a beta and people took a look a little behind the curtains and it was seemingly done as cheaply and lazily as possible the site's code is a quote mostly unmodified version of mastodon which is an open source software launched in 2016 and also a band that's very cool yeah but anyone can use this like i could use this to launch my own social networking site that's basically what they did they just took that open source software didn't even make any modifications to it so it was extremely easy for people to immediately hack into. Although you didn't really need to hack into it.

They launched the beta and people could immediately just sign up for accounts with the handles at Donald Trump and at Mike Pence and at Donald J. Trump. So somebody got that one and immediately posted a photo of a pig defecating on its testicles. Yep, that old Twitter reply. Oh, geez. I kind of hate that,

but I love it, but I hate it. Well, it's just kind of, they've nailed the perfect visual metaphor for what is happening here. Yeah, and it's been a common sort of troll reply on Twitter too for just spamming threads with that image because people are like, get it's been a common sort of troll reply on Twitter, too, for just like just spamming threads with that image because people get it off of here. But yeah, the it's clear that like everything, just not much thought put into it. It's really about the I guess the optics of saying like, this is what I'm going to do. And this is when it's coming out there might be a beta open for some people like at the like sort of end of the year but the plans are that this thing is launching in 2022 but there's also like really weird

guidelines within the website too like the the slides about like the sort of presentation of the website is like it's a big tent it's for everyone liberals conservatives independents can all come through but then there's like this fine print that's like truth can like revoke and deactivate your account for any reason without you knowing without you have without even us having to explain so don't talk shit on here you're gone you're literally prohibited from disparaging the site or and this is a quote annoying the site's employees. Yeah. Oh, and that's very annoying. There was a cartoon on SNL that they took down that was basically like about how Disney owned everything. Like this graphic reminds me of that cartoon.

Yeah. Just with all the other brands there. Yeah. And just taking everything over. The graphic in question has TMTG with like a line to truth social versus and then it's like Twitter, Facebook. And then in a separate like media content production section, it's TMTG plus, which competes with Netflix and Disney plus plus i don't know how to get the the plus is brilliant like disney plus oh shit come on wait you think so you think so to go along with fucking uh trump flicks you know

and hbo maga yeah that's pretty good actually they should have done that tmtg news is the one that's coming for our ass for iheart and cnn that's kind of a flex shout out to iheart i mean i think because purely all this all these things are just pointing at are like sort of superlatives like within a given industry so it's like if it's streaming you're going to put the streaming people there and if it's radio or podcasting then they're they're mentioning yeah this behemoth company so yeah it's uh we look forward to your network although i feel like they're already out there the long-term opportunity tmtg tech stack which

just sounds like some words they made up and put in front of him but he was like nice i love a tech stack yeah yeah like you said they're coming for amazon cloud computing uh in google cloud right so you know they got big big things proprietary code for your platform no no i just ripped off mastodon OK. So some real pioneering type shit happening over here. Good to know. Yeah. All right. Let's let's talk about just a little bit of news around the green energy possibilities, how we could possibly fight climate change, make the world a little bit more sustainable. So, you know, as Congress debated last week whether to pare down the Biden administration's climate proposals, and spoiler alert, they did, new

research has suggested doing so would create far fewer jobs if you pared it down and just kept going with fossil fuel, kept doubling down. For every million dollars the U.S. government invests, solar produces over 2.7 times more jobs than fossil fuels, according to an analysis from two environmental think tanks and labor unions. Wind energy spurs over 2.8 times more jobs than the investments in oil, gas, and coal. Retrofitting buildings to be more energy efficient creates demand for nearly three times as many jobs. So these are it's it's not a issue of, well, you know, fossil fuels is like the thing that's good for the economy. The only excuse that they have for continuing to double down on fossil fuels is that fossil fuels have the money and therefore the inertia to keep them moving in the same direction they've been moving in for

a century. It's just wild that this analysis just negates any argument that would come out of this lobbying side of being like, well, then what happens to all these people's jobs, man? If you get rid of coal, then what happens? And you're like, yeah, there's actually... Even if those people fucking

cleaved themselves like a cell and turned into two people, that person would also have a job. Right, exactly. Because that's how lucrative and how much opportunity is there because we have a massive undertaking to change the energy mix. Yeah, and we actually have a specific example of a way that we could be changing things and helping the environment and helping uh economies but before we get to that uh danielle's internet just went out unfortunately and you know we're hoping that she is able to get back in here but always wonderful having danielle hopefully it comes back she's working on getting back on as we speak. Momentarily, if we're hoping to be rejoined,

but this is the wonder of... If not, Miles and I are full of enough hot air to push this thing through to the... Speak for yourself, man. A real windbag. Am I right? Mm. All right. Let's talk really briefly about the dependency ratio,

just because I think it continues to be one of the most underrated kind of forces or explanations in kind of macroeconomics in the modern world. There's a story in The New York Times about how China's economy has continued to slow and it focuses on steel mills facing power cuts and computer chip shortages and troubled property companies. There's a big real estate meltdown happening in China. But it doesn't mention anywhere this thing that I always come back to. This is on par with the British coal gas study and Tom Hanks peeing in every movie is like a thing I just bring up at every opportunity that I get. But yeah, and Havana syndrome as well. But it's basically like you put working age people on one side of a scale.

You put people who are too young or too old to work on the other side. And the more that the working age people outweigh the other people, the dependence, which is why it's called the dependency ratio, the stronger the economy tends to perform over a long period of time. And this basically explains the 20th century, like the U.S.'s unprecedented baby boom was working its way through working age during when America's like economy really took off. And now that they're all hitting retirement age, it's starting to slow down. And China like is a really interesting example of this because they did the one child experiment,. Like their one-child

policy was basically a way to kind of force a really favorable dependency ratio by sort of artificially shrinking the number of dependents. And so they had this huge population of people who are going through working age and then much smaller dependents and can be seen as fueling their massive economic growth. But now that big chunk of working age people is hitting retirement. So it's like, as I'm trying to explain it, I'm starting to see why it's not raised that much because it's kind of boring but i think it's also like it takes some of the agency and like heroism and like the sort of like deserving out of america's economic success and particularly the economic success of the baby boomers like the idea that they're just

like a lucky demographic cohort is probably like something that baby boomers are allergic to. And they're, you know, still even though the median population of America is 38. I think if you like look at the median population of powerful people in the country, it's probably squarely in the heart of like the baby boomer set. of like the baby boomer set and i just feel like that generation's entire worldview wants to believe that they are special and better than everyone and earned their financial success broadly broad yeah just broadly speaking because we know we don't and i love when the boomers i gang come through and they're like i'm not like the other boomers we're like sure sure yeah i'm not a terrible show right there's no way but yeah i mean and then i also think like just the one child policy is a very like i don't know is one of the strangest or like most kind of inexplicable policies if you just totally take the dependency

ratio out of the equation it's just and and i feel like we'd never really think about like why they did that or how it relates to their financial success so what does that mean for us it just means that so what one detail that kind of jumped out at me other than like i think it like there's a relationship between like america's's white supremacy and their ability to just be like, like, and dependency ratio in a good place is the, you know, massive immigration or, you know, the urge for immigration that the GOP, like, wants to fight against. And it just seems coincidental or not coincidental that the people who are like the most like baby boomer ass party the gop wants to like fight against immigration and they're also the ones who would like most want to ignore the financial realities of like the dependency ratio being the reason that they have their success but that's

kind of one of the reasons that people think that the dependency ratio is going to hit China harder than the U.S.'s by 2050. Like the U.S.'s population is supposed to grow by quite a bit because of the dependency ratio and China's supposed to shrink because of people are more likely to leave the country than want to come there so that's that story and that's all i have to say about that and one child policy base level we agree is a bad idea yes okay good all right yes yes yes yes because at one point you're like and this one one child policy and then there was a long pause and then you landed on pretty so strange i was like yeah strange keep going though yeah yeah very uh really uh quirky yeah they were but i don't want to say authoritarian right uh just just forward thinking like what were they yeah yeah no they were really

looking at that though huh gotta give it up no i. Yeah. I think it's funny, too, because there's for immigration is such a such one of these issues in the country where there's there's it's like it's it's looked at as like it's it's the end of the country. So many of the great things about this place is that it's because of people coming here from different places, whether that's just the opportunity it provides or, you know, cuisine. I think a lot of people, I think for a lot of people are like, man, fuck immigrants, realize a lot of the food you're eating that you even think is American is because of this melting pot that the United States became. States became. And then also on top of it, I think that's the other part they don't talk about is the financial aspect for people who are so focused on like the economy of it all. Like if you were just actually playing with facts and figures like, no, okay, yeah, we can handle more people being here. But it's also this fear of a brown or not so alabaster white America that fears a lot of drives a lot of the fear around it yeah absolutely yeah and just in relation to world war ii like i i think miles cover your ears yeah spoiler alert the fact that the u.s had this massive population boom and generation know, the baby boom that drove their financial success well. And

we were just like, and we took credit for winning World War II while Russia, who actually like, you know, all of their working age people like died in World War II while actually doing a lot of the, you know, horrible work that was required to win that is also a pretty big you know reason that the u.s ended up winning the cold war or at least like outlasting the ussr but again not not the sort of thing that people in the u.s want to acknowledge especially in like the mainstream media all right miles you can start listening i guess all right what happened i'm just watching that movie enemy at the gates with jude law i hope it doesn't spoil anything i feel like it was only like recently like in the last couple years or like someone on tv was like no we only won the war because of russia you know that

right and people are like, huh? It was as if people, like, it was anathema to everyone. It was like, oh, my, what does this person say that is a historian that is acknowledging what happened on the Eastern Front? Huh. Okay. But, yeah, I don't think it's still built. It's

part of our idea that, yeah, we dropped bomb. People gave up. We beat Hitler. Good night. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy that all those boomers helped Russia win the war. Russia never would have done it if the boomers hadn't just told them, go ahead and do it, please. Right.

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So Sarandos kicked things off by essentially saying that Netflix pushes boundaries. The comedy does, yeah they ended up like they they had a conflict with a trans employee who was unhappy with their employer's actions and suspended and then unsuspended that employee and was like oh I had nothing to do with that we just suspend people it was because they were vocal about like you know criticizing the company it's like this whole other thing and yeah it's getting worse now like you put out a letter to employees trying to explain the mess away and how it's really not that bad because netflix also has like stuff with like gay people too so that's chill and he said this is in this letter quote adults can watch violence assault and abuse or enjoy shocking stand-up comedy without it causing them to harm others. We are working hard to ensure marginalized communities aren't defined by a single story.

So we have sex education, Orange is the New Black, Control Z, Hannah Gadsby, and Dave Chappelle all on Netflix. Key to this is increasing diversity on the content team itself. this is increasing diversity on the on the content team itself hannah gatsby did not appreciate being deployed as a defense token in this fucking lame argument and posted quote i hate ted sarandos just a quick note to let you know that i would prefer if you didn't drag my name into your mess now i have to deal with even more of the hate and anger that dave chapelle's fans like to unleash on me every time dave gets 20 million dollars to process his emotionally stunted partial worldview you didn't pay me nearly enough to deal with the real world consequences of the hate speech dog whistling you refuse to acknowledge ted fuck you and your amoral algorithm cult i do shits with more backbone than you that's just a joke i definitely

didn't cross a line because you just told the world there isn't one wow damn that was good that was a good tweet was that yeah no i was a i think it was a maybe a um ig like a post right right but the referencing of like i'd like that you know hannah's calling out this just tired ass defense like these things don't lead to real world harm okay yeah and having a very limited definition of what harm is you know as he says this is another this is his further you know defense of like this harm argument quote the strongest evidence to support this is that violence on screens has grown hugely over the last 30 years especially with first party shooter games first party and yet violent crime has fallen significantly in many countries adults can watch violence and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, without harming others. So that was like the first part. You know, you can still get Birth of a Nation

or Triumph of the Will through their disc-based rental service, just so you know. But also like a lot of people are pointing out is like, have you seen this own documentary that's on Netflix that you put out called Disclosure, which the subheading is, in this documentary, leading trans creatives and thinkers share heartfelt perspectives and analysis about Hollywood's impact on the trans community. I think... That's just like your opinion, man. That's like your opinion, man, on my own platform.

Right. Yeah. Oh, man, I was just having a conversation with a friend over dinner about this last night, who's also a comedian. It's so weird. Comedians, a lot of them can't make the connection between the thing they're saying and then also violence. To them, there's just not the straight line at all.

And it's really fucking infuriating. Also, the people that really, I would say, would you say there's like a Venn diagram of people that hated Hannahannah gasby special and then also people that like like defend defend chapelle and it's like if you didn't think that was comedy right what do you think that is like and i watched the whole thing too and it was like long point point making pauses diatribes it's like what it reads like yeah it's like super hypocritical granted you know the whole thing wasn't just a screed against the LGBTQ community. But what it was was it didn't it. It was not a comedy special. When you look at his other specials, it's a completely different person and a different kind of performance.

Yeah, it's truly just someone, as Gatsby says, just sort of like trying to process their limited worldview on stage for a couple of million bucks yeah yep and a lot of people said look if for all the people who want to make the content doesn't cause harm nonsense a lot of them just gestured at 13 reasons why you know many child development experts and psychologists criticized the show for its depiction of a teenager taking their own life and they said it could possibly very well and most likely would lead to copycat incidents. And then a damning study was released. According to the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry,

in March 2017, which was a month after the show debuted, there was a 28.9% increase in suicide among Americans ages 10 to 17. And it completely was like an outlier based on statistical trends and things like that and obviously again correlation isn't causation but it was definitely enough for netflix to say okay let's reconsider something and they just did the minimum by adding a warning card um oh too uh too rich not enough people telling them to shut the fuck up i think is is often what happens right yeah i don't know yeah yeah it's a bummer man harm isn't just about walking up to someone and committing a violent hate crime you know what i mean and i think that's

how people excuse that this isn't bad that this doesn't arrive to that level of what the hate speech or something like that any i would say anything that this doesn't arrive to that level of hate speech or something like that. And I would say anything that is contributing to the slowing of progress is in and of itself a violent outcome for somebody, because normalizing the othering of trans people through edgy comedy specials directly contributes to people not seeing the humanity of these people right and yes it's just a punch line and i'm curious would chapelle defend a white comics use of minstrelsy tropes or doing blackface right because people laughed at that shit but it's the same thing blackface was used to dehumanize black americans and at the time people called that comedy entertainment but the insidious part is

what it does is it creates a baseline for a level of being able to perceive someone as a human who's deserving of dignity or not and if you're fucking with that and you are trying to pump the brakes on that by saying shit like i'm team turf and all this other shit and trying to make your point about how like trying to deny someone the agency of fucking gender expression you're directly opposed to progress to liberation for people so in that sense you're not fucking saying anything clever you're not speaking truth to power or anything like that and if you're talking about a point you know like good comedy that's edgy and causes conversation is typically pointing out an absurdity of our society or culture, right? That people like, damn, that is an absurd thing that is going on that we're not

really looking at critically. At best, Chappelle is saying that it's absurd that trans women think they are women. Yeah, that's it. And that's only I don't that would only appear as an absurd notion to someone that wants to deny a person, the agency of gender expression. That's not saying anything larger about this. So that's, I'm like, I'm failing to see where you understand the, like the hegemonic dimensions of all this and where power lies in what

direction you're trying to, to skew the, like make a point. Right. I mean, and there is no, he's just making the same point over and over again. And it's just him gesturing at his anxiety around something that deep down he knows is wrong and you're like how is this comedy like it doesn't make sense now but it was because it addressed like some deep anxiety of people realizing like what

they were like their worldview was incredibly fucked up i think that it's the same thing it's like i don't really even see how this is a joke, but it's like basically like touching on a thing that I think culturally he, like we realize is fucked up and that like, he's struggling with like five levels deep in his consciousness and like, can't, can't process. And that's why he keeps fucking coming back to it and just being wrong and strong on, on that. And it's just, there's coming back to it and just being wrong and strong on that.

Man, it's just there's like almost no in between with like comedy anymore. It's like people are either tripping on a banana peel or they're like trying to start a cult or something. There's like no in between like at all. I miss people tripping on a banana peel. Yeah. What happened to Pratt Falls? Yeah, that's what happened to Pratt Falls? Huh? Yeah. That's what.

Or Pratt Falls. Less of your societal analyses. Yeah. Your perspective as a cishet male. Yeah. To telling people who is and is not a woman. Right. Like, okay.

It's like when Joe Biden was like, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black. Right. Oh, shut the fuck up, fool. We got some for your ass too. Dude, you know what I can't stand, too? It's like a lot of these comics, too, will say things like, why would you listen to us? Like, we're comedians.

And it's like, you keep, you know, positioning yourself as someone that knows what the fuck they're talking about. Like, you're point making. Like, that's why people are listening to you. Yeah. And I think it's, I really challenge people for people who are Dave Chappelle fans. And I've had a few of them reach out to me because of our perspective on this whole incident is to really consider what you are casually just laughing off as not harmful. Because maybe you are in a position socioeconomically, racially or whatever, to not understand that shit like that is,

is what keeps people down is what keeps things from progressing forward and having a better outcome or life. Like when, you know, I think most people can look at racial stereotypes and understand that they're harmful, but you have to begin to evolve your thinking a bit to understand how large this world is and how varied people's experiences and identities are.

And like, why the fuck are you caping for somebody who's making someone feel bad? understand how large this world is and how varied people's experiences and identities are and like why the fuck are you caping for somebody who's making someone feel bad that doesn't yeah that's not that doesn't track and i'm if people in the trans community are saying this is violence this is offensive i think i don't i don't want to have to be subjected to this why the fuck are other people be like no no they don't know what they're talking about yeah that's not your place to determine that this actually brings us to a story that i've been teasing for a month now but that we keep not getting to because i was waiting for the perfect time to bring it up it's the story that super producer dramos put in the doc about a study that shows that 2.6% of people

have aphantasia, meaning they don't possess the ability to create pictures in their mind's eye. And oftentimes they don't realize this. They just think that people are being poetic when they talk about being able to envision things but this vice article consists of an interview with somebody who has this and the reason that i think it relates to what you're talking about with the chapelle thing is they mentioned that people get like really defensive and kind of aggressive when they

explain that they have this. So the vice reporter asks, have you always known the way you thought was significantly different to other people? And then the person with aphantasia says, a friend said that a friend of theirs was Greek but had lived in England for 10 years and they were wondering whether he thought in English or in Greek. And until that moment, I had no idea that anyone thought in languages at all. The same goes for mental images. When people said a mental picture, I didn't realize they were being literal. I thought it was poetic. When I found out it wasn't, a bit of poetry of the world disappeared. I've only known for a few years, so it's taken some time to get

used to the notion that not everyone thinks the same way. And then they talk about how people get aggro about them, and the vice report is like, why would that bother people? And they say, it strikes me that by mentioning that I don't think in pictures or in words, I'm somehow attacking their approach. The fact that there's another way makes people uncomfortable. Everyone is always asking me questions like, can you tell me what your dad looks like? And the reporter's like, can't you tell me what your dad looks like? And they're like, no, I know what my dad looks like. I know what my entire family looks like. But the only reason I could tell you what color my dad's eyes are is because I checked once when someone asked me. And, you know, I think this ties back to people's like

inability to process the violence that trans people feel around the Dave Chappelle special. I think it ties back to even the Havana syndrome story and the fact that like people are so first of all aggressive and like certain oh they must be making it up or then when the people themselves are accused of like you know not having had the actual attack get super defensive is because we just we are super aggressive and counterintuitively and illogically aggressive when it comes to the idea that other human beings don't think and process the world in the same way that we do. It's really troubling to people in a way that I feel like I see it everywhere. people in a way that I just, I feel like I see it everywhere. Once I read this article, I was like, oh, that's, we're like so uncomfortable with that idea. Yeah.

Yeah. Insecurity is like directly tied to anger about things. Right. Right. It's obvious. Like, well, I feel like once I started realizing that I could see it in other people too. Like when I see, you know, whatever it is, I'm like, oh, you know whatever it is i'm like oh you're incredibly insecure about something right you know that's how it comes out yeah and yeah it's just like we

kind of built a world that relies on the illusion that we have control over like all our faculties and that we all think the same and like if somebody commits a crime they have done that on purpose like thinking the same thoughts that we're commits a crime they have done that on purpose like thinking the same thoughts that we're thinking as we imagine them committing that crime and you know that therefore blame them for their actions and yeah there's just it's so much of the world relies on this illusion and this like misconception and then you know anytime like somebody explains that their brain doesn't work exactly the same as somebody else or you know that their experience has led them to see something completely differently than you it just causes people like to freak out yeah when you read

that uh that study did it stuck with you a little bit also? You were like, can I think of images? I was like, for a second, I read it this morning. I was like, oh, God, picture a candle. I got it. I got it, right? Fuck. Yeah. I don't know what a candle looks like.

Yeah. I think, you know, it's just the same way, like with, especially we saw with the uprisings last summer around, you know, all the police killings that were happening is that suddenly white people were caught in a moment and be like, what are you like? It was like, wait, there's another way to look at this rather than being less empathetic or understanding of like how oppression works.

And then suddenly it's to get defensive about it and defend your, because it's for many people, it's hard to look at your belief system and say yo that's fucking that actually i need to throw that piece out that's actually not helping me it's actually going to hold me back and it's actually it's running counter to where the where the rest of the world is yeah i i had very many points of evolution in my own understanding of race of gender identity and things like that. And it truly took me.

You have to really you have to arrive at a place where you have to think, A, am I a flawed person or do I have things that I'm insecure about or different about me that I would hope I'm living in a world where those things don't matter, where those are not. Those are not vectors to terrorize me emotionally. And can I be around people that are understanding? And if I do believe that's the world that I want to live in, then it is incumbent on me to also treat every other person

in a situation like that. Because if you get selective, then it doesn't lead to increased understanding. Buddy, dude, 100%. Even thinking about comedy, I've been doing it for 10 years i started in pittsburgh like i didn't grow up in like the most like culturally diverse town and like going to austin which like a very liberal place i remember getting there

and like doing jokes and like other like a a great friend of mine kath barbadoro other another comedian came up to me after a show one time and was like like you're super funny but that one joke is like super misogynist and i was like really i was like i don't know if i mean it that way and she was like like yeah like the laughs you're getting on it like they're like kind of like mean laughs and dude it stuck with me so much and i remember just having a moment where i was like oh i don't want that at all right it's like i always felt like but i always felt like open to like evolving past those things yeah and thankful for the people in my life too that were just totally like hey like talk about it real

quick and you know oh yeah thank you so much yeah yeah and that's that's i think like so at that moment you were able to imagine the world from a different perspective than your own and evolve your perspective to include that perspective and i feel like the you know a lot of these comedians who now are just like trying to start a cult are are like they get told of a different perspective and they just kind of clamp down and choose to not let that in and instead to fight against it and try to like get people to see the the world through their eyes i guess yeah yeah in a very culty way that seems damaging well yeah and a lot of people are stuck on the fact that they were probably getting a lot of laughs when they were

kids in the 90s by being the meanest motherfucker who was able to rephrase bullying shit in funny ways. Yeah. Because a lot of it, man, I used to get so many laughs, like just going off on somebody's looks or like, ah, your mom, you know, like just mean shit. But people were more like, oh, shit, he went there in a creative way. And I was like, I'm the funniest motherfucker that ever lived. And then you realize, shit, man, I'm just really good at being mean in a way that isn't traditionally mean. And it's a way that can make people laugh because we all of us are stunted kids and not like not able

to extend empathy or sympathy in a direction and then you have to have a reckoning with that where i was like fuck man like i'm not really funny if the only thing i can do is just be like kind of mean yeah like just describe some shit about someone being different or ugly or something like that. That's not a joke. And there's a, I think that's why a lot of people too, who have a lot of like jokes or material that are sort of come from that

philosophy of like, yo, I'm just teasing, man. I'm just cap, you know, just fucking poking fun, man.

It's nothing. It's comedy. Those are the people who really go, what the fuck's happening, man? Like, this is all, this is like, it's everything's's comedy those are people who really go what the fuck's happening man like this is all this is like it's everything's completely changed it's like well no like people get older and as people get older we have more access to experiences and ways to process our experience to be like oh that all that shit i used to laugh at that was actually really foul that was actually contributing to someone else being feeling like absolute shit about themselves and that's not the

spirit of what comedy is yeah and they the ones who are like i'm just joking like what it's just a joke i'm just a comedian don't pay attention to me are the ones who when that premise is challenged they're like they get very serious about yeah suddenly white supremacy and misogyny free speech conversation yeah yeah exactly if and again if your material isn't actually pointing out the absurdity of something like and there's a you have actually from a position of like you're morally correctly pointing out an absurd power imbalance which is what great comedy can do yeah you know you have to ask yourself like what is it really saying well but i feel like to them and a lot of these people too they are pointing out that absurdity it for them it's like they

are thinking critic but it's because they're so threatened yeah and they don't they don't want it to change and like i i just know dude i know these fuckers and like a lot like a lot of them and it's like yeah they think that they're the the ones thinking critically and we're all we're all like sheep about it and i think and what and what like you couldn't ask for a worse laboratory to extract your data from oh my god yeah being on a stage with a microphone saying something and people laugh oh how the fuck are you people who already like you and already have an investment how the fuck are you gonna move past that no you're not no it's it's yeah the thing that makes you feel like a god you know like like yeah you're just gonna be enabled the whole time exactly those

things right and that's what it's all about it was like well i'm getting positive feedback from this i'm guessing all then that's the same thing dave chapelle said at the hollywood bowl when he did premiered his documentary there he went up there and he was like oh i'm glad y'all love me and people like and he's like if this is what being canceled feels like then i fucking love it right but you are in a bro that that's that's only a couple thousand people there yeah you have a lot of other people and i think a lot of people also trying to say it's like this noisy minority of people well that may be true that maybe mathematically people that are offended by homophobia or transphobia may not

be at a global majority yeah but it's not an insignificant amount of people and i think that's what's also very dismissive about the whole thing a very literal bubble that he was in like yeah people paying to see you with no cell phone right right yeah yeah yeah it sounds everything's above 40 yeah so you you know you're on the right side when you're espousing views that vladimir putin would agree with yeah you're crushing it man yeah putin's like he was there in the audience at the hollywood they cut to them real quick yeah that imbalance of power thing is so true and it's why to talk about something we mentioned earlier why slipping on a banana peel is the best joke because it's the ultimate imbalance of power between human beings and gravity you know well put when you

think about it well put yeah yeah we're all we're all just slipping think about it. We're all. We're all just slipping on peels man. We're all just slipping on peels dude. It's all about sticking the landing and getting back up. Oh my god. You guys should teach a comedy class. I like it. Comedy philosophy 101.

You look at Chappelle's early shit. He was able to. People would be like oh these jokes are racist. Well he was actually able to use racism. To a like to bring up a larger point about the racist dynamics within the united states and when that and i think he's completely just i don't know maybe that's no longer important to him but i feel like if he for someone again who says like he really cares about trans people then listen to them yes listen to them and don't be dismissive and just because you have one person's family and another trans comedian that has your back that doesn't negate the feelings of many other people

and if you're truly there if like any person who wants to claim they're an ally of any you know liberation movement for people then you have to really be aware of ally of any, you know, liberation movement for people, then you have to really be aware of this kind of shit and know what you are fighting for and fighting against and what progress looks like and what the slowing of progress looks like. Yeah. It's just weird because Chappelle's never said something that aged poorly before, like when he told us that we should give Donald Trump a chance. Dude, he pulled back on that one, what a couple months later or something that's what i'm hoping that that happens i do i don't think so three specials in a row now no he's so much he's really

i mean at the end of that special he did say something like he said he's done doing the jokes until you know whatever he said until i i know that we're both laughing together and it's like that's not gonna happen so you're just done doing the jokes now cool and i'm sorry what was the joke yeah yeah i'm sorry all right that's gonna do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist please like and review the show if you like the show uh means the world to miles he he needs your validation folks uh i hope you're having a great weekend and i will talk to you monday bye Thank you. so so What happens when a professional football player's career ends and the applause fades and the screaming fans move on?

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