The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 2 (Best of 11/27/17-12/01/17)

Episode Date: December 3, 2017

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Which is not something I had heard raised, but he kind of built a disturbingly convincing case that that might be. I mean, yeah, built a case that at least made us scratch our heads. Right. So like Mueller, the thing you always hear is that he was the head of the FBI for a number of years in a row, I think his full term. And then Obama kept him on for a couple of years because he was so good at his job. And so, you know, that that sounds like, oh, man, this guy's got his shit together. He's probably going to be like Mr. Ace detective, like the Dark Knight of the modern world. And there are a couple investigations in his background that he headed up that have been totally like bungled. totally like bungled. So there's a case in the late 70s where he headed up an investigation into the Hell's Angels who were openly like selling drugs and racketeering and

just gang assaulting people. And so he led a team of four prosecutors to retry these guys, 11 of them. And after four months, the jury was like, oh, we're deadlocked. And the judge declared a mistrial. And Mueller was like, yeah, no further questions. I'm not going to seek a retrial, which and this was a case that people thought should have been barely easy to make. But that was a long time ago. easy-ish to make. But that was a long time ago.

And his defense, too, they were saying that, like, at the time, these racketeering charges he came up with were, like, sort of novel back then. It was a sort of very different way of going after these kind of groups. And then the other big case that he was in charge of was figuring out what the fuck was going on in the aftermath of 9-11 with the anthrax attacks that killed five people, sent 17 others to the hospital. The FBI was in charge of finding out who it was. And there were only a set group of people with access to this like weapons grade, government grade anthrax. And they originally accused a guy named Stephen J. Hatfield, who was a virologist at the Army's laboratories at Fort Detrick in Maryland. But that got out

to the media and he ended up suing the FBI for $5.8 million because it wasn't him. And like the type of anthrax that he had access to was not the type of anthrax that was used in the attacks. And then so the story that I had always heard is that they then found the guy who definitely did it. This guy, Bruce Evans, who when he learned from his lawyer that he was about to be accused of murder in connection with these anthrax attacks, committed suicide. murder in connection with these anthrax attacks committed suicide. And there are still reasons to think that he might have been the guilty party. Namely, he found out from his lawyer that he was being accused. And rather than being like, damn it, I'm innocent, he killed himself. So that's crazy.

But on the other hand, there are a lot of sort of second guessing going on about whether he was actually guilty. They say that, you know, some of the evidence where they're suggesting that the types of anthrax matched up might just be a case of parallel evolution, basically because anthrax is like a living organism. They were able to match the anthrax he had access to to the anthrax in the envelopes, but they were saying, no, you could easily have two batches of anthrax that just evolved in similar directions, essentially. So we don't really know. There's just been accusations that Mueller and the FBI didn't rigorously enough explore that explanation.

And then there was a supposedly a FBI campaign to paint him as the guilty party after he died. So to like really just make it an open and shut thing, which obviously would be very convenient for them. Right. Oh, well, this guy can't protect himself anymore. So let's just, you know, bury him, so to speak. It's tough to, like, hear that, like, he kind of fucked up in the past. But again, we don't know. These could be the kinds of mistakes the superhero has to go through,

the kinds of failures that are like, you know what? I'm not fucking up this time. This is the time to get it right. Right. So we'll see. We shall see. It's just a thing that i had totally blindsided me because i had only heard that he was like this superhero fbi leader yeah you're like yeah i was hoping an article would be like he had a dream about these

serial killers and he found them the next day and prevented a mass murder right exactly but again it's like i didn't know how to prosecute the Hells Angels. You're like, oh, shit. So we wanted to talk about this big Veritas sting. So this dude, James O'Keefe, who is not really a journalist. He's more like he is to journalism what those YouTube prank videos are to – Journalism, I guess. He's just like a YouTube prank video guy, essentially. Or like what Viners are to comedy.

Right. Like actual comedy. Right. Yeah, that would have been a better – It's a version of it. My analogy was not well constructed. Hey, but that was off top, man, and I've been thinking about it. And I respect it.

So what happened? Miles, you were telling us about this attempted sting like two weeks ago okay yes so this guy james o'keefe he has this organization called project veritas where their their whole thing is to infiltrate uh liberal groups media groups non-profit organizations and try and like do undercover video shit like a planned parenthood shit yeah and then selectively edit it so to make the organization or entity look as terrible as possible and it's never he's never actually dug up real shit he's always just found soundbites he's able to piece together and then be like oh

look at the new york times they're in line with james comey which is a whole other story i can get into later because a personal friend of mine was caught up in one of james o'keefe's stings but anyway it sounds like this is a personal thing to me yeah maybe you guys buckle your fucking seatbelts man because i'm about to air this dude out so he basically the washington post broke the the most damning roy moore stories about his you know alleged pedophilia and sexual assault um and for the longest time like we've seen things come out that people have been trying to discredit the washington post like there was someone on twitter who was like my wife was approached and offered a thousand dollars to make a false accusation against roy moore and then we covered this a couple weeks ago there was that really bizarre robocall that

went into alabama with like the most offensive version of a jewish guy named bernie bernstein this is bernie bernstein from the washington post and i'll give you monies if you lie about roy moore and i'm even doing a better version because this guy who was acting couldn't even do like a real new york accent also they came with the name bernie bernstein come on niggas fucking try that is so wild so next level so this is like so we don't know if those are- Damn, Jewie Jewerstein. Exactly. Right. Exactly.

That is like, they do not put a lot of thought into fake names, as we will find out. Oh, yeah. It's like, my name's Andy Hanukkah. Like, you know, it's like, what the fuck? Like, okay, sure. Right. So- We don't know these things are connected.

Yeah, but we do know that there is a push clearly to discredit the Washington Post and make Roy Moore look better. So the latest fuckery from Project Veritas was he basically sent in a woman to lie about the fact that she had hooked up with Roy Moore in the early 90s as a teenager. And they were having a sexual relationship and he made her get an abortion. And so she wanted to come out and break that story with the Washington Post. made her get an abortion right and so she wanted to come out and break that story with the washington post and that's like the false pretense that this woman who works with project veritas under james o'keefe was sent to do and her you know her whole story was like you know obviously if if true like would have been a bombshell other thing um but she kind of like rubbed the washington post people the wrong way because like she was really adamant every time she talked to them. She was like, well, you guys will do everything.

This will end Roy Moore, right? I want him out of the race. And she was being very transparent. It's so clear. Essentially what James O'Keefe thinks the Washington Post would be into. How they think. I think he was hoping she would say something like, this will end him right and i think the the sexiest soundbite he was hoping for was like yes because it is our mission as a washington post to to smear roy moore in any way even if it is a dubious accusation right or whatever so but push comes to shove he doesn't realize that the washington

post are actual fucking journalists right so they don't yeah they don't know what actual journalism is so they just aren't prepared for this because they think it's fact checking they think it's easy as going hey a fake robocall, Bernie Bernstein. And again, not that they're connected, but the thought – Right. The logic being applied by people trying to discredit The Washington Post is like, it's that easy. Right. Like, just tell them.

And so it's very dangerous because, A, in doing so, you're also trying to invalidate credible victims of sexual assault, which is like on its service completely fucked up and deranged anyway but also this guy he is the worst at actually digging any kind of real story up like he has a pattern of failure which we'll get into later so cut to this washington post journalist uh she meets with this woman who calls herself uh jamie phillips who is the accuser but what this what this woman doesn't realize is that this woman this other journalist from the post she came with fucking receipts right like she didn't just go to be like yeah let's hear more about your story they're like hold up like in the process of talking this one like hold on we found some stuff

we found a gofundme page where she was like hey i need money to go to new york so i can work for the daily caller as like a investigative journalist to bring down the liberal mainstream media right it's literally on her go funny page with her name on it right so they're like okay this is already weird they did they looked into her like where she said she worked and these other things and nothing added up so basically the washington post they decided to turn the tables and they're like you know what let's set up some cameras let's let's like wear a mic yeah because this is what they this is what Basically, the Washington Post, they decided to turn the tables and they're like, you know what? Let's set up some cameras. Let's wear a mic.

Yeah, because this is what James O'Keefe and Project Veritas does to other news outlets. So they're like, you know what? Let's turn the tables up. So we're about to play the clip, which is like this whole interaction with the Washington Post and this mole, Jamie Phillips, really comes to a head. And this is right off the heels of the Washington Post reporter sliding a screen grab of the GoFundMe page and being like, so you want to work for conservative undercover gotcha journalism? She's like, no, no. And she's like, well, who did you interview with over there? And she begins to try and explain who she's interviewing with, and she comes up with a very generic name.

Right. And this is taking place in a public restaurant, which is why it's so loud. The woman was like, I want to meet you. The person who originally reported on Roy Moore in a public restaurant. And the Washington Post shows up having actually fact-checked her background. Okay. And so who was the person that you interviewed with? It was a lady named Kathy.

What was her last name? Johnson. Kathy Johnson? Uh-huh. Kathy Johnson. And where was it? In the New York area. Uh-huh. But I don't know why we are going into all this yet.

I haven't even agreed to go through with the story yet yeah well since you you know since you contacted us yeah um uh you you reached out to us you know we you know went ahead and did some background checking you know what i mean on on some of the things that you had told bet about your story. And so this came up. And so I just want to understand what that's about and why you would want to work for The Daily Caller. And I'm also, you know, frankly want to know who you might be working for now. I still do mortgage work. Well, there's a little bit of an issue there,

and I just want to ask you to explain it. Because when we called the company that you said that you worked for, they said they didn't have, that you didn't work there. So if you're not working for that mortgage company, where are you working? You said a friend? A branch, yeah. A branch. Maverick.

Maverick? Yeah. And where is that? It was out of Atlanta. It was out of Atlanta. It was out of Atlanta? So do you still have an interest in, as this says, combating the lies and deceit of the liberal MSM? Do you still have an interest in working in the conservative media movement to combat the lies and deceit of the liberal MSM? Is that still your interest?

No, not really. Yeah. Not at this point. No. Not at this point. Catherine. What's her last name? Johnson.

Uh-huh, okay. It's just funny, too. As it goes on, the woman who's trying to push the fake story then goes like, you know, can we just cancel this? Like, the heat's getting too hot. It's like, this is not a Columbia House, get 12 CDs for a penny type agreement here. We're like, hey, can I cancel this? It's like, you open Pandora's box, my lady.

Right. Yeah, I mean, they're putting resources into, like, you know, your story, checking your story. So it's not your right to be like uh never mind cancel which is odd because in in his most desperate attempts to show that the washington post is like a half-assed journalistic operation where they just they'll take hearsay and publish it he basically just proved that they're on their shit and there's no way that you could come in there like and not be completely fact-checked and verify that like what they're going to print has some kind of validity to their news organization they're not they're not a guy with a youtube channel i think if he had just put that lady

what was her name jamie phillips through just like one acting class like just anything like maybe just a stand-up class she could have came in there with so much more confidence because you could hear it in her voice that she had never spoken out loud you know like internet like email line yeah right she was like yes like it was so quiet and gentle it was like right she was not ready to be on camera she needs that level one ready to come in there and like just give her like lies and then when the woman came at her with when the actual journalist asked her to like – asked her details about her story. Yeah, the woman that you were hearing, that's Stephanie McCrummon who works – who also helped work on the Roy Moore piece. So, I mean, shout out to Stephanie McCrummon too because she – if you watch the video, she is so mad.

She's like, you are wasting my time. Right. But also, I'm so glad i'm looking at you because like your face yeah and it the ending you just like she's she just like storms off by the end it definitely has the tone of the brendan dassey interviews from making a murder where like the cops are interviewing brendan dassey and he's like i don't know i don't know and the cops are just like so excited to just like right please just say that he just like grabbed her by the neck and killed her. And he's like, right.

And he's like, yeah. And this is like, so you are trying to work with the conservative media movement to bring down the liberal mainstream media. I don't know. Can I go home and watch WrestleMania? Yeah, exactly. This is the equivalent of what she was trying to do. But this is – like a video will come out of this that will be carefully edited by James O'Keefe to make it seem like they actually caught The Washington Post doing something, I'm sure, and it will go viral on Drudge. He tried to fundraise off this yesterday, I think. He sent a letter out saying, oh, I was ambushed by Washington Post reporters because they – like one of our operatives' cover was blown.

He's like, but it's fine because we got our story on them coming soon, which will probably be a pretty big nothing burger. All right, we're going to go to a quick break and we'll be right back. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th 2017, was murdered.

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We also just wanted to brag on ourselves a little bit. The Matt Lauer thing, one of our listeners pointed out to us on social media that we had called the Matt Lauer thing a little while ago. We got a clip of that. Yeah, so I'll let people know. This is from October 23rd. Yes. 1023 episode. let people know this is from october 23rd yes i'll be a 10 23 episode and this is validating our thesis that uh if you pay attention to the tabloids we we do a weekly segment called the

bloid watch where we look at tabloids because the tabloids have caught shit earlier than the mainstream media and so uh that's what we were discussing we had had super producer Anna Hosnier on, and we were talking about what's going down in the Bloids. I found a lot of stuff. One, apparently, Megyn Kelly and Matt Lauer in a feud, and one of them is getting fired. Now, if I were to put my money on it, I would probably say Megyn Kelly. Matt Lauer. Wait, what? Do you think they would really fire Matt Lauer or Megyn Kelly?

Matt Lauer has had a very problematic career. He's totally not strong. Ooh, is he the next one? I don't know. Is he the next to... Next domino to fall? God damn! You've been geisted, Lauer.

Geisted, motherfucker. Now there's two respected institutions that trust the tabloids. Daily Zeitgeist and the Men in Black. That's where we come from. I trust both of them. I just saw Men in Black 3 over the weekend. It's the MIB. That's one of my original underrated.

Men in Black 3. Ties it together. Perfect. This one's eating my popcorn. That's a deep cut for y'all. We do want to check in with the world. Oh, Trump, because it's been a while. I don't think we've been talking about Trump this week.

It's been a while. So Trump has had a sort of a ventful morning just tweeting all sorts of stuff. by mentioning them and then saying that the guy who fired him has like skeletons in his closet and then pivoting from that to accuse Joe Scarborough of murdering his intern, which is just a wild swing. He is insane. He is also retweeting videos by a right-wing extremist leader of the Britain First group, which is like an offshoot of the British National Party. But they're – yeah, they're extremists and they're tweeting – They're not extremists. They're straight-up racist, white supremacist, fascist who only believe white people should be living in the UK or Britain specifically, as they like to say.

Right. white people should be living in the UK or Britain specifically, as they like to say. Right. So they've tweeted a bunch of videos, one of like a Muslim dude, like breaking a statue of the Virgin Mary, one of an ISIS attack that killed a teenager and another that they they called a Islamic immigrant attacks a Dutch kid who's on crutches, which it turns out is actually just a Dutch kid with brown hair attacking a Dutch kid with blonde hair. And they're like, oh, look, he's an immigrant. Yeah. Look at that.

There's immigrants. But so there's this article that I read a couple of days ago that I can't get out of my head that it's called The Nationalist Delusion. It's in The Atlantic, and I highly recommend people give it a look. But basically, it puts the lie to the idea that people who support Trump are supporting anything other than racism or the idea that his election was about anything other than racism, because I think the narrative that I had heard in the aftermath of the election was that it was downtrodden white people who had been like forgotten in the middle of the country. And, you know, they were there's a study that came out that like deaths caused by despair. So like alcoholism, suicide, drug overdoses were shooting up with this demographic of people and people were equating that with the election of Trump. And this article points out that actually when you look at voters who made less than $50,000 just overall, Clinton won by a proportion of 53 to 41 percent. So Clinton actually destroyed Trump when it came to the people in like lower income, lower income brackets. And Trump beat Clinton by one percent among people who made more than fifty thousand dollars. So the most economically vulnerable Americans voted for Clinton overwhelmingly, which is pretty much the opposite of how it was portrayed in the aftermath of the election.

But then if you just look at white people – so for white people who made less than $30,000, Trump won 57 percent to 34 percent, which is kind of what you had heard. For white people who made between $30,000 and $50,000, he won 56 to 37 percent. Between $50,000 and $100,000, he won 61 percent to 33 percent. So that's like upper middle class. Right. He won by the highest margin. And then one hundred thousand dollars to two hundred thousand dollars. He won 56 percent to 39 percent. So it's like it's all the same. It's not just lower income white people who voted for him. It's just all white people voted for Trump, and it's just pure racism. It's not the economic story that we've all been telling ourselves. Well, right, and I think that economic story has been pushed so much because I think it's hard for many people,

especially coming out of a post-Obama era, that the country could actually be that racist, or there are people who are voting who really think like this, and that's how they're voting, because I think it's easier for people to be like, oh, well, you know, she ignored the Rust Belt and these other things and that's why it didn't work. And purely this – like as many people have been saying anyway before even this data came out was that this was like sort of backlash because Obama was president for the last eight years. Yeah. It's like racist white people felt humiliated by the existence of obama that's where like the birther thing came from is like you know uh well we can't have him actually have won the presidency legitimately so they like made up this crazy

conspiracy theory and you know trump jumped on that because he as a racist dude understood like how racist people felt and he was like that so like it's just like putting a lot of things into place for me, like in hindsight, like the birther thing just seemed crazy to me from the start. with a arbitrary like crazy conspiracy theory it might as well have been like that we didn't land on the moon or you know shit like that yeah but uh it actually like all fits into this broad framework of like how racist white people felt about obama being elected president and you know that is primarily what trump's election has been about And so it also like when he does these things like retweet racists, you know, extremist right wing, you know, white supremacist accounts like I think I had my reaction had been like, OK, well, like surely this now, you know, like even in spite of this, they're still following him. And it's like, no, it in spite of this, they're still following him.

And it's like, no, it's because of this that people are still following. I was thinking about this last night because I was on Reddit and I don't know, for some reason I went down a Reddit rabbit hole and there was one of these like, you know, AMAs for this like nude model and she, for some reason yeah okay go on but but one of the question was like it and it was like a very old uh very old ama and i was like what do you think of this trump guy running for president and she was like i like him because you know he just says it like it is he's and i and i remember hearing that a lot like i remember hearing that and i really like started thinking about like that idea of someone who says it like it is. And I remember hearing that a lot. Like, I remember hearing that and I really, like, started thinking about, like, that idea

of someone who says it like it is, who is like, you voted for someone who doesn't have restraint. Like, that was what you liked about him. Is that the fact that they didn't think, oh, there's a time and a place. Let's not, you know, say this or let me say this in a way that's digestible. You like him because he is just an asshole all the time and it i don't know it just says a lot about the people who still support him it's like oh you think it's like you are one of those like anti-pc people and you think america's

too pc and nine times out of ten it's because you're a white person who doesn't have like a frame of reference of like something being hurtful to you. Like the most hurtful thing to you now is being racist and you think it's just a made up claim. You know, like that's the thing is like you can't even legitimately call anyone racist because they're just looking at it as like, oh, you're just calling. It's like, no, I'm saying you're racist and you should stop. Like that's your option is stopping yeah and i think you can tell too that his like you said these tweets and like the way he comes after people of color like you can we can rattle off all the people of color that he's come at for being critical of him and like it seems like if you're a white person you have to also

be powerful for him to come into his crosshairs where people like even lavar ball yeah get your attention and when you look even at his tweets right where he's coming after lavar ball the likes not even like their retweets the likes on those tweets where he's coming after the nfl or the people of color obviously like the nfl is a you know you could switch that for black people and they're not even being critical of them by the way they're just not being like deferential and like what he considers like respectful and like you know but these tweets that are put these people in the crosshairs they get more likes than most of his other tweets when it's just stuff about like oh i did a great thing

at mar-a-lago it's like okay it's around a certain amount of thousands of likes but then it's like lavar ball needs to be grateful blah blah blah oh everybody's liking that shit right and that that should really show you like it's one thing a lot of people will retweet the shit that he does because it's so crazy. But the likes really tell you that people who are engaging with it, that's how they're engaging with it. Like, yes, I like – please tell this person of color or this organization to back down or sit down or whatever. or whatever. I've always looked at it as like, you know, white people have a sense of like ownership of your success where it's like, you shouldn't make me feel lesser than you. If you have more money than me, because, you know, because I'm somehow allowing you to do this, like you should be respectful. It's like, why do I have to be respectful to this racist in Kentucky?

Like, what reason do I have to be modest for you? Like, why should I not speak my mind? What have you done for me? Kumail Nanjiani, like, tweeted something about that, too. It was, like, just something that really rubbed him the wrong way was this idea that many people need to be grateful for their success or that they were somehow allowed to be, like, to experience success. Yeah. And that, yeah, that's just a thing that you wrestle with.

Like, I was thinking about it because I never, it's so a thing that you wrestle with. Like I was thinking about it because I never – it's so funny. A weird thing, not until Kaepernick started kind of coming out, I never considered him being a black guy and the dynamic that is where it's like quarterbacks are typically white. And quarterback is like your safest position. You're less likely to have CTE because you're not taking as many hits. And I and then I went once I kind of finally realized that Kaepernick was one of the few black quarterbacks. I had to wonder, I was like, if Kaepernick was Kaepernick, but he was any other position, would he have gotten that much flack?

Or is it even more? Is it even more heavy that no one people already have an excuse to keep another black person out the quarterback position and oh yeah we talk about that a lot here yeah that's that specific theory because i mean the black quarterback is uh much like more controversial and like despised per like figure in american culture than people realize to the point that we've talked before on the show that warren moon has a like support group for black NFL quarterbacks, like which, you know, you would think, well, these guys are millionaires. Like, why would they need a support group? They could afford all the therapy they need. But like, unless you're a black NFL quarterback, you don't understand how much hatred is out there. Much hatred is out there. Yeah, I think I absolutely think that the whole Kaepernick thing and the NFL players kneeling, it's at least partially got started white people don't want to believe that they're mad about what they're really mad about.

And so they say it's about the troops. They're not respecting the troops. Or when Trump got elected, it was about people in rural areas not getting their fair shot. rural areas not getting their fair shot. And in fact, another statistic from this Atlantic article, The Nationalist Delusion, talks about how in the aftermath of the financial recession, poor white people's, you know, downward spiral stopped and like started going into recovery. But people of color and, you know, non-white people who are in that economic bracket kept going down. So like – but it's seen – I don't know.

That just kind of puts the light of the idea that they are specifically being targeted by the modern economy in any way. And I mean, this article also talks about a Civil War general who, like prior to the Civil War, was like, you know, specifically talking about white supremacy and why this is a war of white supremacy. But after the Civil War was like, I would never say it's about it was just about states rights. And it's like there's a long history. My friends. Dissonance where, you know, white Americans can make a thing about, you know, yeah, make Cause I feel like there, there is some followers who kind of, if, if pressed was like, yo, you support police brutality.

They're like, no, no, no, no. But when you can flip the narrative for those people who would not support police brutality and be like, no,

it's about the troops. They're like, yeah, yeah, no. Like, I feel like there's a level of like washing the guilt away from like you know ignoring racism yet again where it's like no we have to

fight for these troops but you're supporting a party that specifically fucks over the troops like you right everything they do they take funding from the va there's all this military budget that goes towards the none of the veterans. And to the companies that make the toys, the weapons, the equipment. But no one thinks about that. Like that's where you're – like I feel like people only care for the troops when they want to negate black people. It's a defense. It's the same thing with All Lives Matter where like there's All Lives Matter.

What about all lives? And then like a white person is killed by the police and it's silent. Right. And then you have Black Lives Matter carrying that torch and being like, all right, here we go. No, this is wrong too. Where's All Lives Matter? And then they still want to try and make the argument of like – because Black – I'm like, what are you talking about? At this point, Black Lives Matter has not supported way more than black lives and you've done nothing

like you you've supported no one so you don't get to say anything but they'll still hop on twitter talking shit yeah and i think this is actually becoming specifically what whether it's openly acknowledged or not behind the scenes i think that like we're seeing a tax cut that is going through the House and the Senate right now that is the most openly just like targeted to the very, very wealthy. Like they're taking taxes away from like billionaires, like inheriting money from their parents and putting it on like the middle class and upper middle class people. on like the middle class and upper middle class people uh and i think they know that they can do that now because they know that 30 something percent of the population that voted for trump are just not going anywhere so it's like they're like well all they care about is that he is acknowledging and you know uh normalizing their viewpoint and like making them feel okay about being like, you know, having these fears and this like rage. So they're not going anywhere.

So we can just take care of our donors now. And then we also have this. So they're like kind of, it's like a two tiered approach that I feel like can't be accidental. They just like know now that they can just take care of the very richest people who support them. When I think of some, some supporters probably mistake their race as being a class.

Right. And they don't realize that when push comes to shove and all these – it's time to pay the tax man and come in like the next decade, people under – who are making under $40,000 are going to get crushed. Right. And they're going to have to pay so much because they're taking like away Medicaid funding and things like that. have to pay so much because they're taking like away medicaid funding and things like that so you know and people also need to be very aware that you know taxes will touch you at any level like unless you're super rich so and i feel like this the the silver lining in this for me is that i feel like people of color are so used to struggle like they'll make it like it'll it'll suck but they'll make it but these like

poor white people who like just already in their position are feeling like the world's against them are just going to be completely destroyed like well yeah i mean i think there are there are white people who are just as poor as black people but yeah i think they're people who are like on the cusp of maybe being like lower middle class or something who will completely fall no i feel like there are white people who are just as poor as black people but their perception of their poverty is way different i feel like being poor and black your world is way different than being poor and right and it's because there's this modicum of hope because every everything you're ingesting in media and everything is telling you like don't worry you can make it your shit's out here for you

black people have to be told they can do shit. Black people had to like wait till Obama came around to believe there were they could be president. So black people, when they're poor, they're like, this is my life. This is what it is. And even though that's shitty on the flip side, they're not as kind of wrecked as like as being in that position. It's a double edged sword because it's sort of a resignation into the accepting that well this is just our lot whereas like now as even with when we saw in the um during the recession like you know uh the suicide rates and depression rate

and white people went up like the concept of failing when you were told the world is yours wrecks that the psyche so that's that so that's what i mean when i say that like if this were to happen and it goes down like you know black people have that unfortunate idea of like well this is life right now life is a struggle like it's even in the religion like you go to a baptist church like one of the kind of themes is like you know god loves you because he's testing you by putting you putting you up these hardships yeah tribulations so that's that's what i mean when i say shit like that yeah yeah for sure well you know i hope you can eat those mega hats

all right we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back definitely caruana galicia a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16, 2017, was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate. My name is Manuel Delia. I am one of the hosts of Crooks Everywhere, a podcast that unhurts the plot to murder a one-woman

Wikileaks. Daphne exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country into a mafia state. And she paid the ultimate price. Listen to Crooks Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carrie Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture.

Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them. Why is that? Just come here and play basketball every single day and that's what I focus on.

From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically Black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game?

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These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victim of an assassin today. And these are the only two times we know of that a woman has tried to assassinate a U.S. president. One was the protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI in a violent revolutionary underground. Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer. This is Rip Current, available now with new episodes every Thursday.

Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Substance use disorder and addiction is so isolating. And so as a Black woman in recovery, hope must be loud. It grows louder when you ask for help and you're vulnerable it is the thread that lets you know that no matter what happens you will be okay when we learn the power of hope recovery is possible find out how at startwithhope.com brought to you by the national council for mental well-being shatterproof and the ad council and we're back. So speaking of none of that, you know, there's so much news. We wanted to take a step back and just kind of look at the fabric of our sort of existence in the modern media environment.

existence in the modern media environment. And, you know, Facebook is one of the main ways that we experience reality these days. I mean, that's never been the case for me because, you know, I was running cracked when Facebook became a thing. And so Facebook was always just work for me. It was just like how we distributed our content. But by the end of running cracks, you know, Facebook was the way that we distributed our content. It was just like that. We got more traffic from Facebook than, you know, anywhere else. It was like that's how people existed. And I've read a profile of the 2016 election that just explains, you know, of the 2016 election that just explains, you know, how negligent Facebook was and just how incredibly powerful the, you know, structure of Facebook being able to like put everybody in their own sort of curated, algorithmically curated, not like hand curated, you know,

media bubble just made it possible for, you know, this election to happen and for, you know, the country to grow further and further apart until where we are, where we are. So, you know, people have been talking a lot about how to fix this. a lot about how to fix this. Like, how do we address this? Because Facebook is at this point, probably the most powerful entity, maybe on earth, on earth, maybe in the history of earth. I don't know. It's they determine so much. And I mean, so we had our writer, Sam Rabman, take a kind of deep dive into this. and he brought out some really good points from, you know, other journalists. But he was, you know, saying it's inseparable from our lives. And at this point, it's kind of insane to have the control over something that is basically how people experience their lives, like all around the world.

their lives like all around the world, even though like even though a lot of young people and probably a lot of our listeners maybe have are like, oh, Facebook's old and like we don't pay attention. We don't use Facebook anymore. We use Instagram like on a global scale. Facebook is how people experience the world. And it is being controlled by a guy who developed it out of an app to rate how hot girls were his freshman year at Harvard. out of an app to rate how hot girls were his freshman year at Harvard.

Like that's right. He just, you know, it's he's obviously very bright and knows how to, you know, do programming and shit like that. But like he also is now one of the most powerful people in the history of the world. And, you know, his skill set does not in any way prepare him to do that. No. Yeah. Because, again, it was like a way to connect, a way to get familiar. And at first that was like the golden era, I feel like, of Facebook. It was like, wow, I found people from my old elementary school that live across the country now.

And, yeah, over time, like not even the guy who wanted to just make his creepy app from his dorm room could have realized that we have now really grown not like dependent on it, in some ways dependent on it, at least to communicate in some ways. But again, yeah, it's much bigger than I think even he could have imagined at this point. And now we're in that place where like, what do we do? Oh, yeah, it's getting to the level of, have you guys read that Ready Player One book that's being made into a movie? I haven't read it, no.

But it's all about how like eventually there will be this thing that's like,'s your facebook it's your it's the way you sign up it's the way you vote it's the way it's like everything and it's an online portal but it's also vr and now that facebook owns like oculus it's gonna turn into that where it's just like you you fucking put on your oculus and then you're in facebook land and you just like right you do everything there you send letters you do your email you like and that, it's getting to that point. Yeah. Well, especially too, because now like they're even developing stuff for like when disasters happen, like it can immediately like just sort of connect people in those areas. Like, yeah, there's infrastructure there that we do depend on. Right. And I mean, I think what we've seen at this point from the last year at least is that we cannot count on these companies to

change on their own i i think that was the idea before is we took naively we were naive as fuck but we took like google being like oh our our philosophy is do no evil and we were like cool google's cool guys we can just like not pay attention. Google is going to be cool from now on. And that's just not the case. Like they are companies who have one legal obligation, and it is to make as much money as possible for their shareholders. That is their only legal obligation. And to make any decision that is contrary to that is actually like illegal. They're not allowed to do that. So all they're doing is trying to create something that is going to draw users in and make users, you know, give their advertisers money. Essentially, they're not in it to, you know, help the democratic process. not in it to help the democratic process. Mark Zuckerberg got so deep into claiming that he had the nation's best interest at heart in the last year that people thought he was going to run for president. It was like, yo, that would be a step down for him in terms of power

if he stepped down from Facebook to become president. Because right now he's world god. Right. Have you seen this new tool that Facebook's going to offer where it will allow you to see if you got duped by fake Russian accounts? No, that's great. It says – Facebook says it's creating an online tool that will show you if you liked or followed fake Russian accounts spreading disinformation during the 2016 presidential election on Facebook or Instagram. Do you think many people will use that, though? Because they'll be like, no,

I wasn't stupid enough to get duped. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think it's just ways for like, Facebook's just trying to be transparent kind of, but it's like, it's pro the box had been opened. Yeah.

Right. And when we talk about the ways that Facebook is affecting people's lives and, you know, perceptions of reality and problems with that. It's actually not like a single thing. When I hear problem with Facebook, I immediately go to Russian bots and shit like that. But there's so many different ways that Facebook can be manipulated. Like they're advertising – I think it was ProPublica like bought real estate ads that were like exclude

people of color or based on race or ethnic like yeah you could and you can because all that information is there right so they yeah they said we don't want this advertisement to reach jews people of color uh mothers of high school students which was weird but i guess it's because high school students are gonna you know be loud or like stay up late right right right but so they all all of these are legally protected groups you can't right actually exclude them and when you're uh you know selling real estate but facebook was like oops oh yeah whoa didn't realize you could use that for that right yeah essentially or like have ads like use things like we only want to serve our ads to literally,

I think that was in that same study or a previous one that said, they could find anyone who had Jew hater in their profile, and then be like, that's who I want to talk to. Right. So it's kind of like, so people kind of have done this forever. Like, let's say you want to run an ad during Empire. It means you're trying to target black people between this age and this age. But if you specifically say it, that's when it's getting weird, I guess.

Well, I mean, I guess in one sense, but I think it's when you do it for these means that are technically illegal or you're spreading a very damaging message by hate ads that are looking for people who like an anti-Semitic bias or something like that. Right. And nobody would ever buy Facebook ads just to target black people. They would buy Facebook ads to target black people who are Arsenal fans and live in the Los Angeles area. You want to get targeted. That's why Facebook is so incredibly powerful is you can find the people that you need to find. They know so much about your likes and preferences. And that's also why it's so crazy.

That's why nobody realized what was happening during the 2016 election because it wasn't happening to all of us. It was happening to all of us. It was happening to individuals. Right. And everybody was experiencing reality in their own way. So, you know, yes, the media was in their own bubble, but that's because they were existing in a reality like a hyper reality on the Internet where they had a completely different experience from other people. And, I mean, that's not to excuse it, but that is what made it possible. Well, and, yeah, when we were unaware of that, too, or just how much the reality can be distorted or differ from person to person. This is, like, you kind of had mentioned this before where you were like,

there's a lot of young people who say, like, I don't use Facebook anymore. Facebook's lame or whatever. And to quote someone who's going to offer an opinion of how people don't use facebook anymore facebook's lame or whatever and to quote someone who's uh gonna offer an opinion of how people don't use facebook anymore chief keith just posted this instagram thing that i was trying to find the screenshot but i remember it basically it was someone trying to act like him on facebook messaging someone being like yo come through and his caption was like uh if anyone ever tries to come at you like this know what ate me what kind of bum ass nigga i look like using Facebook in 2017?

And that's what a lot of people think about it. So I'm like, in the future, is it really going to have as much power if this whole generation of people are like, we don't fuck with it? They use Instagram, though. Right, right, right. And I think it'll just shift. I mean, if it's not Facebook, it's Twitter. If it's not Twitter, it's Snapchat. If it's not Snapchat, it's Twitter. If it's not Twitter, it's Snapchat. If it's not Snapchat, it's Instagram. But that's not to say that outside of maybe this small group or subset of people, there are still billions of people who use Facebook and aren't on that who are just like, yeah, that's how I get my news.

That's how I ingest information. If you're just on Facebook and you go to a page that has a Facebook like button on it, Facebook checks that off. They know that you've been to that page that goes into their database. They're constantly aware of you without you even like, without you doing anything, you don't have to like it. You just have to be on that page. And it's like the thing of like, if you, uh, if you just have it running in the background and you go to all these other websites, it's kind of that too. So, and then again, because Instagram just have it running in the background and you go to all these other websites, it's kind of that too. So, and then again, because Instagram and Facebook are one in the same, then you also

get those crazy ads and you're like, I was just talking about this shit. Why am I getting that? So my friend was just telling me about this where like, I think it's, I don't know if this is a thing you opt into in Facebook or it's an iTunes thing you opt into, but it's a terms of service thing that you can opt out of, but you have to like, try to opt out of it. And basically it has the authorization to be listening to your microphone when you're just talking. And like, you know how everyone says that thing of like, Oh, I was just talking about

this. Right. Like that's real, I guess. Yeah. And I like, even if you're turning your microphone off, they are creating such a detailed profile of you just in ways that we're not aware of, even if they're not listening, like doing shit that's like bugging you. Like, it's just they have so many data sets. I heard somebody on the radio recently say that

credit card companies no longer consider themselves financial lenders or whatever they used to consider themselves. They consider themselves data miners because they are just, the way that they're actually making most of their money is by collecting information about your purchase habits and selling that information off. Who buys that? Oh, everybody. It's the most valuable thing right now. Like an advertising firm, like several that are here in Los Angeles, will go to MasterCard or something and be like, can I buy this buying history? Yes. Debit card history?

Yes. Or an agency to figure out like, oh, like what's the most common purchase amongst like affluent millennials based on you know what their income is because you're their bank and you know what they're spending their money on. I really want to know the figures for that. How much does Facebook or Visa charge to sell information? Is it buy like, we want to buy black people's information. Is it like that? They segment it off like that. I have no idea.

Yeah, I don't know the information. But I know they make a lot of their money by doing that. Yeah, I've heard Facebook does for sure. And that's how Google makes their money as well too. You get Gmail for free and we sell your info. So that's the trade. Right. You know what?

You know how people start doing the thing where they put the black tape over their camera and all that? I'm kind of of the mind of like they have so much on me already that if they wanted to ruin me, they could. So it's like I don't even care anymore. I'm not trying to keep anything secret. I'm like, Hey, if they decide that they want to leak my dick pics or whatever they want to do, it's over. So like, I'm just going to live open. I think that's the way a lot of people think these days is like, you know, if I'm not doing anything so bad, if I'm not a terrorist, then, you know, it's not that dangerous. And that's kind of how I always felt. I felt like, you know, I'm right on that edge between like,

I was born in 80. So like, I know the like, paranoid way that people were before where they were like, you got to protect your privacy. Right. And I also know how like people who are a little bit younger than me are just like, who a shit like my fuck my privacy like as long as if it just like gives me ads for shit that i already like that's great but the the fact that we're living in these mediated little like bubbles of existence is it's just now dawning on me like how dangerous that can actually be that and the fact that we actually can't see like there's this atlantic was like on Facebook, the campaigns could show ads only to the people they targeted. We couldn't actually see the messages they were reaching people in battleground areas from the outside. It was a technical impossibility to know what ads were running on Facebook, one that the company had fought to keep intact. So is the nightmare situation that somehow this information falls into the wrong hands or is used to like blackmail people? Like, is that like we're living in the nightmare situation because that information was used

by fucking Cambridge Analytica to get Donald Trump elected, I think is I mean, that's that's a strong statement, but that's sort of how it feels. Did they buy it from somewhere? Like they, they got, okay. And it's, you're basically just getting gas lit because they can present you with a reality through social media, targeting you, knowing like, you know, what you're more inclined to believe or what your ideology is and begin sort of twisting your perception of how the world is actually operating.

Wow. Which you can tell, like, through depending on, like, you know, when you see all the Russia stuff in the election, they were affecting physical space through the Internet by, you know, agitating people who have, like, an anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant bias and then people who have a pro-immigrant pro-islam bias or just inclusive bias and being like oh well there's going to be a rally here like let's get these people fighting like they're already manipulating people they're moving people around in physical space through the internet which i think can be i think that i mean i guess the next nightmare scenario is like

when people are like truly there's like a catastrophic loss of life but i mean shit if you're already being able to to stir shit up digitally and affect physical space i think that is a nightmare scenario yeah that makes sense i didn't think about the cambridge atletica thing that's such a good point i saw this article my friend sent it to me it's a vanity fair article it's called the end of the social era can't come soon enough and the basic premise is it seems increasingly likely that our society will one day view our infatuation with Twitter, Facebook, whatever, like a passing, often destructive fad. Yeah.

But the problem I think with this is that this was written by someone who's old enough to remember a time before we had those things and they can envision a time without it. But I think for all these kids who grew up with this, their brains are literally wired differently. I think that like you were saying, even if they stop using Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, there's always going to be that need for a different thing. I don't think anyone can just cold turkey not use social media. I mean, the guy who wrote that, Nick Bilton, he is like an expert in Twitter.

And I used to actually work with him at Vanity Fair. Like, really super smart guy. But that's true. Like, even for people like me, born in the eighties, I knew I used dial up phones. I had dial up internet. I remember the internet was a, like a new thing that we weren't quite sure of. And I also know how to live without it because I experienced life in an era where there was no internet. Now, can you say that that can be said for kids who are growing up now who have only known the internet, who've only known social media, like what. I know a lot of young people who have tried to quit Facebook, like it's a drug.

And so I do think that there's at least some awareness that it is a vice, which like, even when, you know, my younger cousins were like, yeah, I had to quit Facebook. Like that didn't totally scan to me because like, you know, I hadn't been deeply involved enough to understand like why it was problematic. But yeah, they talk about that a lot in this article. There's a lot of quotes from people who actually like worked at Twitter and Facebook who've left who are now like, I feel guilty. Yeah, we were creating this as a drug because the whole thing was that it gives you this dopamine response and it's designed to be like that. And so they're saying they're off it and done with it. But yeah, it'd be, it'd be very hard for enough people to be self-aware enough to be like, you know what? I,

I have to back out. No, I think, I think it needs to come from the government because the companies aren't going to change it. The people are like, there's not going to be a big enough mass movement. I think there's going to need to be a movement like the you know populist progressive movement in the early 20th century against you know the big robber barons that's how like the next generation is probably going to have to treat the other the fight there i mean this comes along with like the whole like free internet whatever type shit that's happening right now where it was like if you put in any sort of regulations like that that would almost be like doing what the fcc is trying to do right now it's and like as somebody who like is kind of on that border you know the fact that the fcc

like used to be like the the big thing that they were known for in my mind before this was flipping out when janet jackson's nipple was exposed in the Super Bowl. Right. And like that is so ridiculous that they were worried about people experiencing a nipple. But like now, like so they were trying to mediate people's experience, like away from having to experience like seeing somebody's nipple. Like now they're just letting everything. There's so many different people experiencing so many different things that are completely outside of the control of any anyone really. Right.

So our solution for all of this is we don't fucking know, man. Somebody who's smarter than me needs to start working on this shit. Some legislation. Yeah. I guess being aware of it has at least seemed helpful for me, being aware that I'm living a completely mediated, algorithmically curated experience. And in a way, a simulation. Right.

Exactly. Call back. I should do improv. Back to Golden Tate. And that's how you do a Herald. All right, we're going to take a quick break. Now you do a herald. All right, we're going to take a quick break.

Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017, was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate. My name is Manuel Delia. I am one of the hosts of Crooks Everywhere, a podcast that unhurts the plot to murder a one-woman Wikileaks.

Daphne exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country into a mafia state. And she paid the ultimate price. Listen to Crooks everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Kerry Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game.

Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them boys. I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game?

And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months.

These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victim of an assassin today. These are the only two times we know of that a woman has tried to assassinate a U.S. president. One was the protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI in a violent revolutionary underground. Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer. This is Rip Current.

Available now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Substance use disorder and addiction is so isolating. And so, as a black woman in recovery, hope must be loud. It grows louder when you ask for help and you're vulnerable. It is the thread that lets you know that no matter what happens, you will be okay. When we learn the power of hope, recovery is possible. Find out how at StartWithHope.com.

Brought to you by the national council for mental well-being shatterproof and the ad council and we're back so people are flipping out about uh the number one movie at the box office coco uh which is a pixar movie uh so edgar you know hold your tongue oh i'm i've already been looking at my phone being like fuck this conversation i'm gonna fucking check down you're all mad you thought coco was about like a black woman oh i was like a black woman with an afro and coconut oil in her not coco brown but so apparently uh people people are mad because there is a short at the beginning of this Pixar movie that is incredibly long.

And we actually have our super producer, Nick Stumpf, who, Nick, you brought your daughters to Coco over the weekend. I did. Wow. That tone already. You should see his face. He is seething. He just broke an orange in his hand. You should see his face.

He is seething. He just broke an orange in his hand. I hear nothing but good things about Coco the movie, but your daughter walked out, right? Yeah, I didn't get to see all of Coco because there was an involuntary Frozen movie before the film, which exhausted the precious minutes of my daughter's attention span. And so we didn't get all the way through coco right fortunately i liked what i saw of it right so the he's so mad the short the short film beforehand i because i think there's been quite a few pixar movies that start out with most do right yeah i think it's a it's a tradition they usually are maybe like two to five minutes yeah but they've been getting longer and longer as time is right the i i think um inside out had a moana sort of preview thing oh man i hated that one yeah it was longish we know you hate every Pixar movie the volcanoes right the volcano uh nick how long

was this one uh it It seemed like forever. I think it was 24 minutes, 21 minutes. Sorry, 21 minutes, which is an eternity for something you're not in the mood for. Right. And for children whose attention span is not very long, you can't get children to sit still for literally anything. So asking them to sit still for one movie and then sit still for a second movie, like after the first one ends. And also, so I have a problem with Olaf, you guys. Don't even get me started on Olaf from Frozen. Because isn't the movie about Olaf from Frozen?

Yeah. Which featuring the most irritating character from the most right so frozen is uh you know a huge movie because disney accidentally made a movie about two female protagonists and they were like oh shit this isn't the worst thing in the world people are super into this but they thought that it was like a really big mistake to have two female protagonists. And so when the Frozen preview first came out, it was the snowman and the reindeer,

like just like fogging around on a frozen pond. Like just the preview for the actual movie Frozen was essentially like a short about Olaf. They were like, man, this snowman character is clearly the best and kids are going to love him. But it's like the Jar Jar Binks of the Disney universe. Wow. Essentially.

Yeah. Feels like it was created by the same mind. Right. But yeah, so just not a great movie. Not a great movie not a great movie and and just also like you know fighting against seeing frozen is something that i've i've been trying to very hard to do since my kids were born i was i knew it was coming but i was like i'm gonna fight this because i'm gonna fight you know it was eventually they're gonna see it and they're gonna be talking about elsa and stuff and sure enough that that did

eventually happen but i did a pretty good job holding the line. But when you go to a movie that's not Frozen, and then yet there you are watching Frozen. It's doubly irritating. It's just so irritating. Yeah, featuring the most annoying and unimaginative character from the movie. I felt like what's interesting, too, because I started picking up on this because a couple of my friends who have young kids were on Twitter saying the same thing. It's like, hey, just a heads up. If you're going to see Coco, just know that you're going to sit through a 20-minute

like laughable fucking thing before you actually get to the movie you wanted to see. And like, my kid doesn't even, is confused now because he thinks

we're watching Frozen or not. Yeah, my daughter was like, okay, great. I saw my movie. It was like, you know, beginning, middle, and end. Then she's like,

got up and started tearing around the theater. I was like, okay, well, I guess that's it for us it's like all right yeah the fact that there's like end credits like signals to the kid okay movie over she got her entertainment i think y'all got duped by disney that's what i think no for real here's what it is coco's a trash movie but disney knew it so they were just like have you seen coco no but they're like 80 on metacritic it's one of the better reviewed movies of the

year listen this is from the same critics who love that one movie where they use rabbits and uh and alligators to talk about racism what was that movie oh zootopia yeah uh yeah that was an important film i think they put that olaf movie in front of coco because look we got a bad movie let's make a worse movie and everyone's gonna be like yo that coco movie was so great because it wasn't that old it was next to the olaf like whoever's president next after trump oh he's gonna be fucking god on reddit a person who works at a movie theater was like yeah i had about 70 confused customers who thought they were in the wrong theater since Disney just decided to start their movie with a completely

different movie. But they've always done this though. Yeah. It's just, I think, I think once it got to like minute 18, they were like, yo,

this is like the fourth, we're watching a different movie. The fourth musical number happens. You're like, am I just watching? There are literally four different, four different songs. And fourth musical number happens, you're like, am I just watching? Yeah, there are literally four different songs in this short. I like the other thing that in theaters in Mexico, there were so many complaints from patrons that they just removed the short altogether.

It was just people were like, I didn't come for this. Yeah, it's also irritating because it was like, Coco, say what you will about it, Edgar. Who hasn't seen it? You know, it's kind of a new thing. They go back and forth between English and Spanish with no subtitles. And, like, I was watching it in, like, a bilingual crowd because, like, there was jokes just fully in Spanish. Like, somebody says, no manches at some point. And people laugh.

And people laugh. Yeah, it was pretty cool. You know, there's a lot of things that I thought were pretty cool about it. But then to have this like mandatory like frozen experience before it's just like can't you it's like you can't have anything you know if anything put it at the end or something right you know yeah right or just don't right i mean i don't know that's how i feel about that short dude from the hobbit movies being in black panther andy circus no no no the short dude who plays the hobbit what's his name he's also in the uh in the british office oh tim

from the office yeah yeah uh he's in black panther and i feel like that's our olaf like we have to sit and watch this nigga in black panther when we can't just have that movie ourselves so i understand your point yeah i think it is that's exactly that's i think that you've no it is clear connection yeah martin freeman martin freeman yeah it's like salient he's the hobbit right i'm not crazy he's the hobbit yeah he's bilbo isn't he yeah he i think plays bilbo who's the hobbit the hobbit there's no character named the hobbit why is it called the hobbit because yo man did you see the fucking movie you're like hey man which one the hobbit oh so he the hobbit so none of them was the Lord of the Rings?

What's going on? Hey, I didn't see Jesus. I didn't see Jesus. I didn't see Michael Jordan, the true Lord of the Rings. No, I guess because the other thing is this short was supposed to be like a TV movie. Right. That they were just like, ah, fuck it. We'll just throw it into this movie.

They were going to make it a holiday special, and they were like, no, this movie's majesty needs to be captured on the big screen. Right. Or ABC was just backing out. Or do you think it was a way to temper audiences who may have been reluctant to take their children to a so Latin-based culture film that it's like, hey, let's soften them up with a little snow. Right. Yeah. Snow's white.

Our audience is white. Right. To preempt the angry emails right right right they're like well you got you got a little bit of white culture i mean that's totally in keeping with what they did with frozen because yeah they like the one groundbreaking thing about frozen is that it had two female leads i think that's what like drove its success but they thought they had to pretend that it was about a fucking magical talking snowman because right that's what i thought it was about right wait is that how it's marketed yeah the the first preview was the a reindeer and olaf like just fucking around on a on a frozen lake and it was like a goofy like oh

wow like buddy yeah so see that's confusing because if that's what they were trying to do then you'd think that they'd advertise it like come see coco and also featuring this great oh lot from this short right frozen right they just sort of blindside you with it well i'm gonna see because it's it's interesting like it moana got pretty decent uh acceptance from like pacific islander community yeah and coco too seems to have a lot of uh people excited too oh they love it yeah yeah who aren't offended i mean i think like, it's not perfect. But even to your point, like, right, maybe they're doing it to pander to an audience. Even if they're pandering, you're making the product.

So I don't know. It's hard sometimes, yeah, like to decide if the decision is like a nefarious decision to just exploit like a Spanish-speaking audience. Listen, I'm okay with it once they start pandering to us. But we haven't gotten our Pixar movie yet. So I'm waiting. You know, they got the Pacific Islanders, got the Hispanic people.

What was the one, though? It wasn't a Pixar movie. It was Princess and the Frog. Oh, so you want to make that... You want to step to the CG. I want the Pixar movie. Yeah, and the hair better look good. They're already making another Incredibles?

Come on. Well, here, I mean, look, maybe we can, let's work on a script. Yeah, let's work on a script. And then we're going to be a vacancy in the creative officer department at Pixar. Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, there is. All right, so, like, hey, let's get you in there. Listen, I already pitched you guys my idea.

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