The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 20 (Best of 4/16/18-4/20/18)

Episode Date: April 22, 2018

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Starting point is 00:02:05 episode of the weekly zeitgeist uh these are some of our favorite segments from this week all edited together into one uh non-stop infotainment laugh stravaganza uh yeah so without further ado here is the weekly zeitgeist. We wanted to talk about the raid that happened last week on Michael Cohen, Donald Trump's lawyer, because it's sort of slowly dawning on us all of the ramifications that this has. And yesterday, Cohen and his lawyer had a day in court. And I don't know. There were a couple of surprises.
Starting point is 00:02:49 To say the least. They were basically in there begging the judge to be like, don't let the prosecutors look at whatever they took. Can you promise us that, judge? And the judge was like, fuck out of here. What the fuck are you talking about? No. I mean, but maybe I'll entertain the idea of like a
Starting point is 00:03:05 special master or something i think is what she said which is like a third party to look so that the prosecutors wouldn't see either or whatever whatever yeah and there was also talks of taint teams about what communications are tainted or what not unfortunately it's not about the perennial area is that what you call it the perineum the taint itself which perennial area. Is that what you call it? The perineum? The taint itself? Perennial flowers? Look, I don't know. So here's the deal. I'm not a biologist. But what I am is someone who wildly speculates on a podcast about what things mean
Starting point is 00:03:34 in court. One of the things was over the weekend, the judge was like, you need to disclose who your clients are so we don't have an idea what's going on. Before they filed, he did disclose that Donald Trump and Elliot Broidy, who was the RNC fundraiser, who also had a Playboy mistress thing. That broke last week.
Starting point is 00:03:50 That broke last week. He paid a Playboy mistress one point something million dollars. And then there's another Playboy bunny who's also saying she was involved with Trump back in the day. Just like a Playboy is involved with so 80s. I can't believe how 80s this all is. But Trump is the most 80s. He's 1985. It feels great to know that Jamie Loftus and I were both employed by Playboy at one point. Don't't believe how 80s this all is. Trump is the most 80s. 1985.
Starting point is 00:04:08 It feels great to know that Jamie Loftus and I were both employed by Playboy at one point. Oh, hell yeah. Anyway, so yes, he had to disclose it too. And then they said, well, we're not going to say who the third one is. Because it would be embarrassing. And then the judge was like, that is not a valid legal excuse. Embarrassment is not a thing. Yeah, exactly. So the judge says, who is it?
Starting point is 00:04:24 Or like, why would it be embarrassing? And now here's where the lawyer could have written down on a thing. Yeah, exactly. So the judge says, who is it? Or like, why would it be embarrassing? And now here's where the lawyer could have written down on a piece of paper, slid it to the judge and been like, there, do you see? And the judge could have been like,
Starting point is 00:04:33 okay, let me take this under advisement and we'll like make a decision on it. Instead, the guy was like, no, but he'll be embarrassed because it's Sean Hannity. Yeah. Out loud.
Starting point is 00:04:42 And there was apparently an audible gasp in the courtroom. Everyone was like, whoa! Whoa! Holy shit! Should have written it down, man. Whereas other attorneys who were being pundits were like, usually you would write that shit
Starting point is 00:04:53 down. That would at least give you a chance of it not coming out. Discretion. Yeah. Right. So anyway, it comes out as Sean Hannity. And again, the world was abuzz. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:02 So now, let's think about when that news broke, let's see how Fox News covered this bombshell that one of their own it might be caught up in all of this. Legally tied to all of the crazy shit that they've been like being like, no, nothing to see here for a long time. This is what happens when, this is I think the actual
Starting point is 00:05:20 moment where they're breaking it on Fox News. In today's proceedings that are underway right now, Stephen Ryan, one of Cohen's attorneys, was asked by the judge to specifically name the other name because they said it would not fall under attorney client privilege to withhold that name. And he stood up and named him as Sean Hannity. So moving on to so moving on. Yeah, yeah. So moving on. Yeah. Back and forth filings over this issue since last night.
Starting point is 00:05:49 I mean, yeah, just steamroll past that. Let's just gloss right over that. I like how she goes, doesn't even go, and it was Sean Hannity, was named as Sean Hannity. Moving on. Moving on. Not saying that's our Sean Hannity, just a Sean Hannity. Was named as Sean Hannity. Like that's how a cartoon would write that.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Yes, exactly. Like immediately after saying moving on. Moving on. Our aunt's giving you cancer. Exactly. We fear yes. Yeah. So yes.
Starting point is 00:06:18 Now, gosh, it just gives you so many ideas. Like what does this mean? Yeah. Does Sean kill someone? Yeah. Was he trying to figure out what he can legally lie about just gives you so many ideas like what does this mean yeah does sean kill someone yeah was he trying to figure out what he can legally lie about when he spreads lies about the dnc exactly the dnc and wiki leaks and and and people getting murdered over leaked emails and bullshit conspiracies or did he have a love child with cardi b we don't know i mean we're getting involved with michael
Starting point is 00:06:40 cohen could mean so many things yeah uh but, Sean Hannity was very quick to distance himself because he knows how his reputation stinks. Oh, God. So I think on Anderson Cooper, young Coop comes through, flames old Sean by like, I mean, just listen. So we hear Hannity describing their relationship on his radio show, and then we hear Anderson Cooper's summary of that explanation. I've known Michael a long, long time.
Starting point is 00:07:07 This is Hannity. And let me be very clear to the media. Michael never represented me in any matter. I never retained him in the traditional sense of retaining a lawyer. I never received an invoice from Michael. I never paid legal fees to Michael. But I have occasionally had brief discussions with him about legal questions about which I wanted his input and perspective. Just at the bar. And I assume that those conversations were attorney client confidential.
Starting point is 00:07:42 So he seems to be saying I was not really a client of attorney Michael Cohen's, but our conversations are confidential because he is an attorney and I am his client. That's right. That's so good. Exactly. You can't have it all ways, Sean. You can't have it all ways. It's crazy when that skewed logic
Starting point is 00:08:00 well starts to run dry for you. I mean, the Occam's Racer thing is like, which Playboy model did he impregnate? That's like the occam's racer thing is like which playboy model did he impregnate i mean that's like the occam's like what he's trying to whatever it seems to be cone specialty yes exactly yeah it's just so bizarre because i mean if it really was about just brief advice you'd imagine sean hannity actually has access to much better legal opinions yeah then sleazy ass michael and someone who currently has the title, actual title of worst fucking lawyer in America. That's right.
Starting point is 00:08:27 Like, so it's weird. And another thing is clearly like, there has to be something there, right? If the whole point was them trying to be like, he's an attorney and you probably have things that affect my client or having to do with my client. Yes. Not just, yo, I used to just, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:42 I don't know, we just shoot the shit, smoke some cigars. And he would be like, hey man, can I lie about this person getting murdered because of the wiki leaks and shit like that or like hey uh julian assange told me to say this can you tell this to trump yeah is he being a middleman yeah exactly like you know there's so many vagaries yeah that we do not no but what's great we don't know yet michael cohen's lawyer standing up and just you describing the moment jack i'm like there were gaffes in the courtroom, and it was this dramatic reveal of the third name. It's just like one of the other horrible consequences of this Trump horseshit is just like everyone does feel compelled to sort of get their 15 minutes, or more accurately, 15 seconds in the public spotlight.
Starting point is 00:09:17 Even this lawyer, like Michael Cohen's lawyer was like, I could write it down and be discreet about it, but you know what? Let me take stage, and I'll be the story. And there are some people who have speculated that this could be just a big dog and pony show to be like, oh, get Hannity's name out there. And we'll forget that the president is the actual focus of the investigation. But either way, like, based on how he was making excuses, I doubt that. making excuses i doubt that another person i forget who it was on nbc was saying that technically if uh michael cohen did write down a memoranda or something based on a conversation he had that he could be a client technically and sean hannity might not be aware of that yes but either i mean still this thing just smells like a whole pile of horseshit yeah sean hannity is i
Starting point is 00:10:01 mean like i loathe him obviously he's so loathsome but in like in another light like in my more like compassionate if I really like exercise all my compassion he is like truly like Arthur Miller tragic there's something so
Starting point is 00:10:12 deeply tragic about Sean Hannity like he has sacrificed his whole all of his credit his personal credibility his moral compass in the last year and a half
Starting point is 00:10:20 or two years for Donald Trump and the only thing he has to show for it is also going to prison probably and it's like, it's sad. It's deeply, deeply tragic.
Starting point is 00:10:28 But I have no, I shed no tears for Rocky. Like when this film comes out, it's going to be like him barking at his desk, someone playing Sean Handy, and it's going to be a hard cut to him in prison with his cellie just holding him from behind. Exactly. Go to sleep, Sean. So sad. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:10:41 I don't know. There's going to be such a good like-series on FX in 25 years. Oh, yes, exactly. Like the People vs. O.J. Simpson of this. We should just start writing this now. Right. Yeah, exactly. So I think he made reference to attorney-client privilege.
Starting point is 00:10:57 Or I don't know. He said it a weird way. What do you call it? Like attorney-client? Confidentiality. Confidentiality. Confidentiality. All right.
Starting point is 00:11:04 So we had mentioned last week that uh michael cohen has sort of a saul goodman vibe and uh so hannity actually told listeners monday afternoon i might have handed him cohen 10 bucks i definitely want your attorney client privilege on this uh something like that so that is actually directly from Breaking Bad. This is a misconception started by Breaking Bad where Saul Goodman is like, put a dollar in my pocket. That way I'm your attorney or my client. That is a scene from Breaking Bad. Holy shit. And they literally are just like, okay, so basically I'm Walter White, you're Saul Goodman,
Starting point is 00:11:44 let's play act this thing. Except we're talking about real crimes we did. Yeah. It's funny to aspire to the crime. It's just like, we should do it like they do on Breaking Bad. So the way to actually establish attorney-client privilege is to publicly or say to the police, he is my attorney. I am his client.
Starting point is 00:12:05 Therefore, ergo, it's not putting a dollar in somebody's pocket. It's just establishing that. That is our relationship. Right. And Hannity has kind of torpedoed his ability to do that by now coming out and being like, we're not really attorney clients. He was never and just basically laying out all the way somebody can be somebody's attorney and client and saying that wasn't the nature of their relationship.
Starting point is 00:12:28 But let's listen to how an actual legal expert would tell Sean. Well, right. So yesterday on Hannity, he got his favorite legal experts on, one of them being Alan Dershowitz, who up to this point has okayed every single bizarre idea and theory that Sean Hannity has had about the law, was willing to play devil's advocate for everything. Even Alan Dershowitz, like we said,
Starting point is 00:12:50 had a moment where he was like, bro, you know, last week when the FBI raided Michael Cohen's office, you were out here being like, Hey man, he's an innocent man. This is total bullshit,
Starting point is 00:12:58 blah, blah, blah. And you didn't say that you were, maybe should have mentioned it. I mentioned it. Yeah. So this is Alan Dershowitz even being like,
Starting point is 00:13:04 bro, I can only be crazy to a point right well first of all uh sean i do want to say that i really think that you should have disclosed your relationship with uh cohen when you talked about him on this show you could have said just that you had asked him for advice or whatever but i think it would have been much, much better had you disclosed that relationship. You were in a difficult situation. If you understand the nature of it, Professor, I'm going to deal with this later in the show. I understand. It was minimal. I put out a statement about it.
Starting point is 00:13:34 You should have said that. And that would have been fair to say that it was minimal. That's fine. You were in a tough position because, A, you had to talk about Cohen. And B, you didn't want the fact that you had spoken to him to be revealed. And you had the right, by the way, not to have your identity revealed. I have the right to privacy. Right. But, you know, it's a complex situation when you're speaking to millions of people. Professor, it was such a minor relationship in terms of it had to do with real estate and nothing political.
Starting point is 00:14:00 I understand that. Right. At the same time, if it was so minor why just mention it that why didn't you want that out there you don't even get it dad yeah yeah exactly it was so small like it's not like what i'm sure on paper i should have done that but you don't know just a real estate thing i was like what's the best real estate property to bury a body it's just a little real estate not a big deal yeah i love how there's still even just being like i know i know yeah you should have said it exactly should i know i know like that Dershowitz not backing down on that point. At Port Michael Cone, you just imagine Michael
Starting point is 00:14:27 Cone watching this and be like, Sean, I thought we had something. We're just friends? You imagine him just like a scorned lover. I thought we were attorney client. Dude, we bought those matching Hawaiian shirts? Yeah, exactly. I mean, again, this is another thing where I think we talk
Starting point is 00:14:44 about on the show, this is like a cultural myth, I think, that people have been sort of taking in from film and TV about even like these mob films. Yes. That the lawyer somehow holds all the secrets, is impenetrable and is above the law in some way. Like he's like Melvoin in The Sopranos. That's right. Robert Duvall in The God of the Consigliere. Yeah, exactly. Michael Cohen specifically refers to himself as consigliere.os. That's right. Robert Duvall in The God of the Consigliere. Yeah, exactly. Michael Cohen specifically refers to himself
Starting point is 00:15:06 as Consigliere. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. What's a myth that you know to be true? Mob warriors work. Yeah, exactly. But this is what happens when you elect an actual...
Starting point is 00:15:15 I mean, that's the thing about this. He is a crime boss. Comey telling Stephanopoulos, he's like, kind of treat it like the dinners with Trump were very mafioso-y. You pledge your loyalty to the ring, you kiss the ring. And like that one weird moment where Trump on TV made a gesture of walking over to Comey and hugging him.
Starting point is 00:15:31 Like all these weird mafia tactics of intimidation. He's like you're a made guy now. Exactly. I know it was you, James. And like you know that Trump is so dumb and television addled. Like his ideas of status and power probably literally are from The Godfather. Yeah, literally. I mean those are his points of status reference.
Starting point is 00:15:46 So we're just seeing this like sad, pathetic TV addled brain. And again, Roy Cohn, one of his first lawyers, is the notorious mob lawyer and McCarthy lawyer. So like... It goes back to that great tweet that this is not a government run media. This is a media run government. Precisely right. All bullshit media myths.
Starting point is 00:16:05 And, you know, even the attack on Syria happens when some devastating footage shows up on Fox News. Yeah. Ooh, spooky. So there's actually this New Yorker article that just kind of puts all of this in perspective from Adam Davidson, the less important Adam, where he talks about, he puts this in the context, the article, by the way, is salaciously called something like the end stages of the Trump presidency, question mark, which sounds like a little bit like liberal fantasy. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Hey, we got to get those clicks. So his point, and it's sort of an impressionist piece of journalism in the sense that he's writing it from his perspective as a journalist who has lived through two other things that this experience reminds him of. He was on the ground in Baghdad when Bush was standing in front of
Starting point is 00:16:57 that giant Mission Accomplished banner, which I was noticing earlier today in the office. It's like the ugliest banner. It's like designed in MS paint. It today in the office it's like the ugliest banner it's like it's so weird like it's like such a shitty pixelated flag in the background and but the size of it like it has to be the size of the Hollywood sign so like I just like did it on a word doc and then we're like here print this up and just stretch it the fuck out however big you need to yeah anyways adam davidson this thing isn't rasterized right exactly it wasn't rasterized
Starting point is 00:17:31 give me a fucking vector image davidson was on the ground in baghdad when that was happening and he was talking to people so he knew ahead of the rest of the country and the public that that was bullshit this thing was way worse than anybody thought it was. He was also reporting on the financial crisis when that was slowly unfolding. Yes. And he, you know, even puts it, he was trying to get it through his thick skull that this was actually going in a really bad direction. It could be catastrophic.
Starting point is 00:18:02 Right. And, you know, he said that he finally realized it and what those loans actually were, what those financial products were, and that they were about to explode and everybody, and that the global economy was going to be fucked for a little while.
Starting point is 00:18:15 Right. And he said that at that time, you turned on the TV on MSNBC or CNBC and people were like, okay, well, the worst of it's behind us, guys. Right, exactly. And this is like, we're headed in the right direction. So he's saying that's a thing where the preponderance of evidence he had access to told him things are way worse than people realize.
Starting point is 00:18:37 And this is just the early stages and we're about to find out how bad things are. It's just going to slowly come out. And he's saying that now that Cohen's offices have been raided, he knows that that is the future of the Trump presidency. Like before, when it was just Mueller looking into whether there was Russian collusion, he was like, it could have gone either way because he's like, collusion doesn't really make sense for Trump because it involves a lot of foresight and patience. Yes. And diabolical planning that he is not capable of. He's not mentally fit to execute. So he was like, it could really go either way.
Starting point is 00:19:10 But the one thing he does know, based on a lot of reporting and everybody he works with at the New Yorker doing loads of reporting on the Trump organization, is that they are a criminal organization that has been doing crime in New York for years. For years. He talks about this Soho Trump project where Ivanka and Don Jr. are essentially on email saying, man, I hope nobody finds out about these crimes that we're doing. Like literally on email. Yes. He basically thinks Ivanka has a very high chance
Starting point is 00:19:46 of getting arrested Don jr has a high chance of getting arrested like there is just loads and loads of white collar crime right that both does and doesn't have to do with Russian collusion you know it's like that Russian collusion has been the narrative right now like oh this is the thing that's going to sink Trump and I think this is what really resonated with me about the article was just his thing of like the way that narratives change. And like I was in the like the Iraq narrative was like, we did it. Mission accomplished. It's over.
Starting point is 00:20:10 Meanwhile, I'm there. And like, it's far from over. Like, that's a weird narrative to be under, to be like taken as. They're like, are you actually here? Yeah, exactly. Right. And like, so I get what he's saying about this Trump thing. It's like, OK, this Michael Cohen being raided, everything, the truth will hopefully come
Starting point is 00:20:24 out. We will learn about the 40 years of gangsterization of the way he runs his real estate business, just like crimes and sex crimes and illegitimate children everywhere. And that will become the dominant narrative. And his presidency will fit into this larger narrative of 40 years of crooked life
Starting point is 00:20:37 that he's living. The thing that bums me out is that, and sorry if this sounds arrogant, but didn't we all know that before? I mean, like... Right. All the reports that he's referencing have been out there. that and sorry if this sounds arrogant but didn't we all know that before i mean like right all the reports that he's referencing they're like have been out there there's 900 documentaries yeah i am unaware of anybody who has taken a serious look at trump's business who doesn't believe that there is a high likelihood of rampant criminality exactly and then he goes on to list like five really clear-cut things uh in azerbaijan he did business with a likely money launderer for Iran's revolutionary guard.
Starting point is 00:21:08 Yeah. Like there's five other things. And he's like, those are just the really obvious ones. Yeah. Like they are really in a lot of trouble. Yeah. Yeah. Donald and Ivanka were investigated for financial crimes associated with Trump Hotel in Soho.
Starting point is 00:21:22 And then there's an older article where yeah there's just all these emails where they're basically there was no doubt that the Trump children approved knew of agreed to and intentionally inflated the numbers of building to make more sales to me it was almost the dumb fucking reality show The Apprentice
Starting point is 00:21:40 that changed the narrative it's like I feel like from the 80s up until The Apprentice the dominant narrative about Trump was that he was America's favorite crook that was the narrative. It's like, I feel like from the 80s up until The Apprentice, the dominant narrative about Trump was that he was America's favorite crook. That was the whole, that was his whole thing. He was like a fake ass businessman. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:21:51 Like he was a fake ass crooked businessman. And that was like, we put up with him because he has hair and like he's a little funny. So we put up with him. And then like The Apprentice came along and I think maybe people, maybe in the flyover states,
Starting point is 00:22:03 not to be condescending, but people maybe were like, oh, he's a legitimate mogul. Like that man really knows, he has the, he's the King Mid states, not to be condescending, but people maybe were like, oh, he's a legitimate mogul. Like that man really knows he has the, he's the King Midas, everything he touches turns to gold. That's not a set decorator creating this mystique around him for visual effect. Right. But I thought him as a crooked person was always the narrative. But I guess this article sort of highlights how, to me, one of my takeaways was like how easily narratives can just flip and sort of, yes, all this preponderance of evidence can just be sort of shuffled aside.
Starting point is 00:22:28 And now it's he's the president with collusion. TV is insanely powerful. TV is insane, man. Insanely powerful. It has all these people, even lawyers, thinking attorney-client privilege exists when it fucking doesn't. Breaking bad. But yeah, so basically his summary is that the narrative that will become widely understood is that Donald Trump did not sit atop a global empire. He had a small, sad global operation, mostly run by his two oldest children and Michael
Starting point is 00:22:52 Cohen. Yeah. And yeah. Very King Lear. It was not a company that built value over decades. Right. It burned through whatever goodwill and brand value it established as quickly as possible. It basically, after he bankrupted his fifth casino,
Starting point is 00:23:05 people were like, we're not giving you money anymore, man. That's right. And so he had to get all his money from foreign money launderers. Russia. And he's been doing business with foreign money launderers. And he put it in this Crooked Media interview I heard. He was like, he's not even going with the first moguls that corrupt people would do business with.
Starting point is 00:23:24 It's like the third tier moguls that people would do business with, that corrupt people would do business with. It's like the third tier moguls in the countries that you would go to fifth. Like Azerbaijan is not the first place you would go to. And even there, you're dealing with
Starting point is 00:23:35 the tertiary scumbags. Right, exactly. Yeah. I guess that is the point though. It's all about context. The collusion thing, I guess this point which I hope and pray
Starting point is 00:23:43 and believe is true, is that the Russian collusion thing will in a year, now that we know everything and Cohen's been raided, we see all the documents. The Russian collusion fixing, swinging the election, Putin hacking Facebook will fit into just a much larger context of Trump being a bankrupt asshole, a scumbag real estate guy who had to go to Russia and the Ukraine and all these other shady B and C-level moguls for money, and that the collusion thing will fit into that narrative. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And even if it's not active collusion on his part, like just the idea that he is compromised, that they have something on him.
Starting point is 00:24:15 Yeah. I think above and beyond anything that Robert Mueller could dig up, P-tape or not, I mean, like that's what's the most frightening thing. Because on Sunday, you had Nikki Haley saying, oh, we're going to sanction Russia. Just get ready. Steve Mnuchin will be unleashing the sanctions. And then Kutu yesterday threw her ass under the bus. We'll be thinking about it.
Starting point is 00:24:31 How about that, man? Yeah. And that happened last week. We did put harsher sanctions on Russia after the assassination a couple weeks ago. Right. In London. Then the UK. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:42 Attempt. Attempt. France. And he was furious. He he was like what the fuck you guys doing like yeah those are the homies so this guy i mean he's not even consistent with where he's at with i mean we all know this anyway yeah it's only tuesday let's see what the fuck i'm telling you by friday what the fuck are we gonna be talking about seriously i don't know and i probably believe sean hannity he might have a tape with Cardi B or something. I don't know. Exactly. Yes.
Starting point is 00:25:05 You're really shipping Cardi B and Sean Hannity. Yeah. Very interesting. I love it. Your taste in celebrity couples. Very interesting. All right. We're going to take a quick break.
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Starting point is 00:28:10 or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carrie Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because
Starting point is 00:28:29 of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them. Why is that? Just come here to play basketball every single day and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is braggadocious. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game?
Starting point is 00:28:54 And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. Listen to The Making of a Rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We also wanted to talk about a story that is about Starbucks. It's about Philadelphia, which, as we said, had been on a roll. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:27 So two black men were arrested for sitting in a Starbucks? Yeah, because black. Because America. I guess these two men were waiting to meet up with a friend who showed up while they were being arrested, but someone who worked at Starbucks was like getting real nervous
Starting point is 00:29:42 because of their implicit bias and thought, you know, oh, these people haven't bought anything. They're up to something, called the police and the cops hauled them off. And all the while this woman was recording it and that video went viral. I'm sure most people have seen it. And The Root actually interviewed this woman who made the video who was white. And she was saying that her friends afterwards were like calling her and being like, what really happened? Or like, there must've been something else. Something else must've happened there. I, it's hard for me to believe that two men of color were just arrested simply for sitting and someone thought they were suspicious. And it speaks,
Starting point is 00:30:18 I think this incident kind of speaks to something a little bit bigger is that there are still this idea that I think people think that people of color exaggerate when they describe the discrimination they experience, because I'm sure for some people based on their life experience, it would be very hard for them to imagine some like, I was just waiting for a friend at Starbucks and I was arrested. That's crazy. But guess what? Because especially black men in this country are looked as people who will probably take your life. That's the default position of police who take the lives of black men is like, I feared for my life.
Starting point is 00:30:47 Meanwhile, think about how many of these mass shooters who are white somehow get taken into custody without getting shot. It's, I mean, this is 2018 and this is kind of still the same shit. And, you know, I would take an opportunity for people, if you want to be an ally to people of color, if you even hear people think that people of color
Starting point is 00:31:04 are suspicious for any reason, you have to really unpack why it is you have this sort of idea in your head. Is it because you really believe that? Is it because you've been conditioned to believe that? And I'm sure there are many people who say, well, I would never do that. But there are also many white people who have friends who are not white, who are fine with people of color if they know them. You know what I mean? Like, oh, I have black friends, but it's the black people they don't know who are fine with people of color if they know them. You know what I mean? Like, oh, I have black friends, but it's the black people they don't know who are suddenly suspicious to them or whatever. And I think this is just, again,
Starting point is 00:31:30 this is something that people need to really evaluate. And, you know, I think the response to this has shown that some people still really struggle believing that this kind of discrimination happens and that it's real. And yes, you simply can get fucking harassed or discriminated because someone just thinks you're dangerous. It really does seem like the absolute least you can do is to start challenging.
Starting point is 00:31:51 Like when someone in your life says something casual and careless, I mean, for me, it makes trips home very stressful. But it's like we're at a point now where you have to do that because there are so many real-world implications of casual shit like that where it's like a point now where you have to do that yeah because there are so many real world implications of casual shit like that where it's like you know if you hear someone talk about people of color in a way that is super dismissive and like oh you know they're sensationalizing stuff or if you heard people talking about like women like i like when shit was hitting the fan and people you know give
Starting point is 00:32:21 a fuck for the first time in however long you know it like I had to talk to my dad about it because he's like, oh, man, this is pretty crazy, right? And it's like, dude, what? No, hold on. Hold on. Please stop. Yeah. So it's hard. Like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:32:34 I don't like talking to anybody. Period. I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way. No one wants to talk to anybody. People are a nightmare. But yeah, it is truly the least you can do is to point out that someone is being dismissive of a very real thing. Yeah, because if you go along just being like, hmm, or not saying anything, then you allow this person to operate in this fake reality. You are complicit, bitch. But Starbucks, at the very least, they're saying, oh, we're going to have something about invisible bias or I don't know, some kind of weird training.
Starting point is 00:33:06 I mean, like, sure. They're like, we're bringing back Oprah Chai. Jesus fucking Christ. We're going to put something about equality on our cups. Oh, yeah. I remember when they were like, let's start conversations about race. Remember that whole fucking thing they did?
Starting point is 00:33:20 Yeah. I like when Burger King is like, we're queer now. They're just like, we're queer. Does that really happen? They have like queer cups for a while. They have like rainbow cups. Burger King's like, actually, we the Burger Kings are queer now. We the Burger Kings.
Starting point is 00:33:39 I mean, if they really believe about having it your way, you've got to be all inclusive. Right. You can't be. That was one of my favorite. Burger Kings have always believe about having it your way, you've got to be all inclusive. Right. You can't be. That was one of my favorite. We the Burger Kings have always been about having it your way. And we realized that that philosophy extends further than just a hamburger. An image that went viral yesterday. Stormy Daniels released the police sketch of the man who threatened her, which I think that was when she told her story about the guy coming up and threatening her on 60 Minutes.
Starting point is 00:34:09 She told that story. I think everybody was like, oh, well, tell us who that person was or like look through all the pictures in America. Let's find this motherfucker. All the pictures in America. Yeah. Let's find everybody. Let's look through everybody.
Starting point is 00:34:22 Find them. But so she did a police sketch with somebody who, you know, police sketches are generally not super well trusted. And scientifically, they're not great. And sometimes they make your memory of somebody's face less accurate because you're having to like match. You're having to go back and forth between your memory of the thing and then what the drawing looks like and it sometimes gets blended. Other times, super producer Anna Hosnier was saying that she thinks that
Starting point is 00:34:54 sometimes people end up describing someone who is familiar to them and not necessarily the stranger who they're trying to describe, which is interesting because so this picture came out. People were saying young Willem Dafoe, Tom Brady, Starship Troopers star Casper Van Dien.
Starting point is 00:35:17 Oh, I love him. And the puppet from Team America all blended together. And it really does look like a blend of all those things. And then this morning TMZ posted an article pointing out that it's actually just her husband. The drawing is her husband. It looks almost identical to her third husband. It's very strange.
Starting point is 00:35:44 It's crazy how much it looks like her third husband. It's very strange. It's crazy how much it looks like her husband. Oh, no. Yeah. I mean, they may have a point. Also, what a bummer. That guy sucks. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:58 His eyebrows are a mess. Oh, his face is so aggressively trying to be handsome. Yeah. He looks like like MMA Barbie. Or like if there was a MMA toy, that's what he would be. Anyway, so yeah, this guy, Brendan Miller. I think that's her husband. Yeah. Just like him.
Starting point is 00:36:16 Very strange. Maybe it was him, though. Yeah. To be fair to sketch artists, and this one in particular, this one seemed like somebody released some of the drawings this person has done before based on descriptions, and they're spot on. So this is apparently the best sketch artist in America. The Guinness World Record holder for being the most successful sketch artist. Right, which, yeah, so great. They found the right person to do the job.
Starting point is 00:36:46 It just seems weird that they look so much like. And we'll see if this, you know, ends up leading to the arrest of the person who threatened Stormy Daniels, because she's saying, you know, I got $131,000 for the person who can identify this person, which is funny, because $130,000 is what Michael Cohen offered her to STFU.
Starting point is 00:37:07 So, you know, she's kind of taking a shot at him. Why would she add a whole 999,000 more than or 100 more? Whoa. Whoa. Dollar math. Math class. A thousand. Take a seat.
Starting point is 00:37:19 Art school. In all fairness, I barely went to math class. The mornings were short. I was I was rehearsing for Cats. But that brings up Michael Cohen because yesterday I was reading this thing about how even shadier this dude looks when you really look at his neighborhood, where he's from, his family. So everyone knows he's friends with Felix Sater,
Starting point is 00:37:40 who a lot of people are saying he might be his connection to Russia or whatever because that guy, Felix Sater, his dad like a capo in a organized crime syndicate that was considered to be one of russia's largest um and then we find out that his uncle owned a brooklyn social club uh which was a well-known meeting spot for members of both the italian and russian uh mafia so uh in like the 70s and 80s. And then they're saying up until the 90s, it was considered some people. I think I guess some people law enforcement were considering it the sort of headquarters where the Russian mafia literally ran their entire crime organization out of.
Starting point is 00:38:16 And that's like a place that Michael Cohen's family owns. It's like he owned Bada Bing, essentially. Basically, it's called the El Caribe. And so it's just it's just interesting to look at, I guess, the more, you know, I think we're starting to see this pattern. I think we were talking about it yesterday about how this is just sort of like just the doofiest white people mafia ever of like just really inept criminals. And now we're seeing like that's the world Michael Cohen also grew up in, where his uncle owned a mob hangout. So, of course, he's probably going to have that mindset a little bit. I mean, if you hear him talk once,
Starting point is 00:38:53 it almost like just the mafia is just pouring off of him. You just feel like, okay, this guy's out of central casting for mafiosa. Yeah, so it's not overly surprising. And also the fact that he threatens to do physical harm to people on a regular basis. Yeah. I don't think that's part of your law school training. Right.
Starting point is 00:39:14 I don't know. It feels like it might be. Right. Like one of those night class electives. Right. But I guess, I don't know if you're screaming that you'll fuck someone's soul over the phone. I don't know what... I don't know what you're screaming that you'll fuck someone's soul over the phone. It's like, I don't know what.
Starting point is 00:39:25 I don't know what that really feels like, something they teach at, like, Harvard Law. Well, he did not go there. I think he went to the Clown School of Law. Right. Or whatever the fuck the place is. What I do to you is going to be disgusting. Yeah. But wasn't he, like, a big personal injury lawyer?
Starting point is 00:39:40 Yeah. So, basically, he made an entire, he built himself on having those commercials. You in a car accident. Right. Thanks to Michael Cohen, I got $3 million. We are having sort of an extended tax day today, which everybody wants to talk about. People love talking about taxes. But yeah, so the IRS website crashed
Starting point is 00:40:08 yesterday. So they extended it for, I think, today, just today. Maybe today or maybe another day. I don't know. They definitely had to extend it because they're like, hey, sorry, y'all crashed our website because who knows? Of course it crashed on tax day. But doing your taxes, getting your taxes in is a big, serious deal in America. And Miles, you were pointing out that that's not really the case anywhere else. Okay. Imagine everyone has done taxes in this room and they're confusing. And most of the time you have to consult a person at H&R Block, an accountant, or use TurboTax. And because the shit is so complicated. And the reason it's so complicated is because tax preparers lobby the government regularly to keep the tax code as confusing as fucking possible, so our only option is to go to these places.
Starting point is 00:40:55 Okay? There's an H&R Block lobby? Yes. Oh, yeah. Fuck this. Big tax. Yeah, there is such a thing as big tax. Now, so Intuit, who makes TurboTax, they spent $2 million in 2017 on shit like basically they do not want to simplify the tax code.
Starting point is 00:41:10 Like outright, like that's in lobbying documents, that that is what their stated purpose is for their lobbying efforts. So when you look at other countries like Denmark or Sweden or Spain or Japan, they already have systems in place where the government like sends you a prepared return. They estimate your taxes using information your employer and the bank already have, because obviously they know everything that the tax collecting institutions of these countries, you know, in the UK, most people don't file returns. Like the government will calculate your liability or your refund and send you a check or a bill unless you're self-employed. Now in my other homeland, Japan, very simple system. Okay. So the Japanese version of the IRS, uh, which is the Kokuzecho, they gather all the pertinent data for each worker, their income, taxable benefits, number of personal exemptions, tax withheld,
Starting point is 00:41:56 and so on. And they compute how much a taxpayer owes down to the fucking last penny, the last yen. And they have precision withholding. So like they know exactly how to calculate everything and they'll just send you a postcard just telling you, hey, this is what you made. This is your refund amount or this is what we're actually gonna have to take out because you underpaid your taxes and we can just take that out of your account and boom, you're done. That's all. Just fucking tell us how much we owe.
Starting point is 00:42:20 Just tell us. Just fucking, why do I have to tell you? Right. Why am I paying somebody to tell me how much to pay you the fuck is this i mean in addition to the like turbo taxes of the world i bet it has something to do with the fact that really really rich people can pay other can pay like attorneys and you know accountants to find ways to get them to like not pay taxes of course yeah because the the thing is so fucking complicated more complicated it is yeah then you need something because also let's be real tax preparation services are like they're in an
Starting point is 00:42:54 existential crisis because algorithms and shit like the need to go to a human at an h&r block is becoming like that business is shrinking which is why they had to get into like the TurboTax game of offering shit like H&R Block at home, or I think is whatever their do-it-yourself website service is. So they're like up against it. So it behooves them to make shit as complicated as possible. Now we are trying to change shit. Elizabeth Warren introduced a bill last year that would completely simplify the tax code and make it easier for people to just have Uncle Sam just send you the bill or be like, hey, brother, you're getting this refund.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Right. And also, it'll cut down on so much eaten up productivity for human beings and save a lot of money in the long run if you do shit like this. But again, when you got people putting money at this thing to make it as complicated as possible, we have this same thing year after year after year. I feel like these stories come out all the time where we're just talking about why can't our taxes be more simple?
Starting point is 00:43:48 Here's why. And like the people who are arguing for keeping it as complicated are saying, well, we don't want to extend the reach of the government. You don't want them doing your taxes. Like, can you really trust the IRS to tell you what they're going to do? Well, all of these programs are voluntary. So even if the thing you got from the government, you didn't agree with, you can opt out of it and do it yourself. Or you can be like, oh, okay, that looks cool. Yeah, I'm with that. Again, it's just a headache because it's one of those things where most people in other countries are like, what? Y'all have to walk into a box full of receipts and panic over what kind of food you can write off as an entertainment expense or
Starting point is 00:44:22 whatever. It's just, it's crazy. You can tell that it's a good idea to simplify the taxes because when the Republicans introduced their tax cuts, they claimed that they were making it so that you could just file your taxes on one side of a postcard. So when they're lying about having a good idea, even though they don't have it, you can that that's right probably worth looking into obviously they're not going to do anything with it but i love tax time do you isn't it the oh that's my favorite oh because you get are you do a lot of 1099 work so you get to i take way less exemptions than i should and so i it's kind of like a savings account and i get a return every year nice yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then I buy something dumb. Oh, what'd you buy this year?
Starting point is 00:45:08 A computer. Oh, you idiot. Yeah, dumb. Fool. You fool. Duh. Do the pointing and clicking on it. Oh, well.
Starting point is 00:45:17 Hope it's a nice computer. Thank you so much. Okay, well, is it a nice computer? Yes. Okay, good. That's part of why it was dumb. It's like, you only do two things on this. Yeah, it's like, you don That's part of why it was dumb. You only do two things on this. It's like, you don't need a full-on
Starting point is 00:45:27 gaming tower. I needed the gaming tower. I need the graphics card. How am I going to watch 240p music video clips of New Kids on the Block? It is 419. One less than
Starting point is 00:45:42 420, Hitler's birthday. The chillest day of all. No, it's 4-20, National Weed Day. I don't know. All right, grandpa. What do you call it? All right, pappy. All right. We know the narcs are.
Starting point is 00:45:56 I'll let you take it from here, Miles. Take it from here. Ah, yeah. Well, bro, let's talk about 4-20. Really, I want to talk about drug policy. Ah, yeah. Well, bro, let's talk about 420. Really, I want to talk about drug policy.
Starting point is 00:46:26 There was this, the International Journal of Drug Policy just released a little bit of a report on their sort of analysis of just sort of the different forms of like drug policy that is out are kind of concluded or just, you know, they did some research with economists, criminals, other people and be like, OK, let's look at the different forms of drug laws we have. So we'll talk specifically about weed since it's, you know, 419 in this country. It's, you know, absolute prohibition that we have here where it's just completely illegal from a federal standpoint and you just can't have it. No way. And then there's decriminalization, which sort of how it was in this state when there was medical marijuana, like when it was first introduced, where you could consume and possess it, but it wasn't considered a full on criminal offense. But the drug was still considered illegal. But now that we have recreational use laws, we're more in like the state control of the market, which is where the state can sort of regulate everything from the age limits to control of production and sales, where we're not quite there, where the government
Starting point is 00:47:08 is actually controlling the means of production. But they do have real regulations that make the market sort of safe for consumers, where they have it tested to make sure you're not, you know, smoking crazy pesticides or have it in proper packaging to make a child safe and things like that. And then you have the unfettered free market where drugs are just treated no differently than any consumer would like a fucking hat. Right. Can I ask a very dumb question about the state of legalization in California right now?
Starting point is 00:47:33 Does it mean that I could go into a MedMen or a weed store and buy a marijuana cigarette and then walk down the street and smoke it in the world? No, so you can't smoke it in public. You can consume it privately, but you cannot consume it out in the open. So, yes, you could go into a Med Men and buy your jazz cigarette and do your thing. Like an edible?
Starting point is 00:47:52 I mean, no one's going to know. No one's going to know if the gummy bears are like magic gummy bears. Yeah, unless you're being so aggressive where you're like, hey, guys, I'm about to eat one of those weed candies. I would be aggressive. Like when I go to Vegas and they allow you to drink in the street, I look at cops when I do it because I'm really enjoying the freedom. So if I did have weed gummy bears, I would scarf them down in front of a cop being like,
Starting point is 00:48:15 this doesn't look like a crime, does it? Yeah, just have like the big bag open. It's like, oh, what could these be? I would not suggest scarfing down edibles, by the way. But maybe take one to a half. No, no, let's do a little experiment later. But what if I'm trying to be nasty in front of a cop? Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:48:32 I mean, I hope it's worth that. Yeah, so I mean, it's just interesting. I think for most people, we probably realize that the complete criminalization of marijuana was an absolutely absurd idea. criminalization of marijuana was an absolutely absurd idea. But again, it's just good to know we're moving closer and closer to acceptance and kind of embracing it in a way that's creating tremendous tax revenues and can be put to good use, especially when you look at things like when you have states where teachers are literally about like striking because they're not getting the proper pay and things like that. Wow. You could probably use a couple hundred million in tax revenue in a state like that to do
Starting point is 00:49:06 some shit. So, you know, again, I'm probably preaching to the choir to some people who listen. But again, I think you check out this study that we'll post to in the footnotes, you know, just so you can learn yourself a little bit about how these forms of drug policy affect us in different ways and what might be best going forward. So which one came out on top? Is there a country that like has the policy that we should be trying to-
Starting point is 00:49:28 I mean, they weren't looking at it so much as like a country we should adopt because again, they're sort of looking at it through the lens of like the United States too and what that means for consumers in this country. But again, it seems like the most sort of from like the benefits and cost of it, like state control has like the highest social impact that's positive and the highest health impact.
Starting point is 00:49:49 States' rights is what you're arguing for. States' rights, bro. As usual. As usual, man. If you don't want to bake somebody a cake, you don't got to. Right. You know what I mean? Because that's your right, bro.
Starting point is 00:49:58 You know how I get down. No, and that's a joke in case somebody's listening for the first time. That's not my real stance. All right. We're going to take a quick break. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017 was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate.
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Starting point is 00:52:58 Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really hear them. Why is that? Just come here to play basketball every single day and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is braggadocious.
Starting point is 00:53:37 She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. Listen to the making of a rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:54:06 And we're back. Just wanted to talk about Barbara Bush, who passed yesterday, who, you know, I guess just based on her appearance, I had always sort of associated her with a kind old lady. And I do remember in 2005, while visiting victims of Hurricane Katrina at the Astrodome, her saying some wildly problematic shit about how because they're underprivileged anyway,
Starting point is 00:54:36 this is working, quote, very well for them. Which the New York Times, by the way, described as her candor sometimes got her in trouble. That's not candor. That is just being a fucking classist, racist loon. But that's not the point, right? I do want to also focus on the fact that, yeah, you know, she was also just kind of a hard ass, badass.
Starting point is 00:55:03 Like I assumed that her obituaries would not be the most interesting obituaries to read, and she was actually crazy interesting. There are these quotes from her childhood friends who would say that they would come on the school bus in the morning, and they say, quote, It would be all planned. Nobody's going to talk to June this morning.
Starting point is 00:55:23 You'd sit there on the bus with your friends and no one spoke to you. It was a dreadful feeling. So Barbara was coming on the bus and being like, you're not talking to her. We're not talking to her. You're talking to me. June is fucking excommunicated. Fuck outta here. So that's one of her friends. She was like real housewiving. Right. Before.
Starting point is 00:55:39 In the 30s. Just like world class, like legendary mean girl. And then another childhood friend is giving a hypothetical scenario. And she said she'd call ahead and say, we're not going to speak to June this morning. So again, they can't. June, man. Poor June.
Starting point is 00:55:57 Two different people? Two different people are talking about how she froze this girl June out when she was like a child. What did June do? Yeah, and she would also like make- June probably wore pink on a Wednesday. Right, right. Which we don't do. She wore white after Labor Day.
Starting point is 00:56:12 So June can get the fuck out. She would make fun of her friends for stammering or- Oh no, she was today. Today. Today. Yeah. Damn, she's like the originator of all this cool shit original housewife original billy madison right in reading her obituary you really get the sense that she was sort of the
Starting point is 00:56:33 brains and the balls behind the operation like behind their couple like that it's just interesting that uh you know there's also a quote in one of the obituaries where someone says, people always said Nancy Reagan would kill you if you said bad stuff about her, says one staff aide who worked closely with the Bushes. But I always thought Mrs. Bush was the one who would kill you, which I don't know. This is her obituary. I know. Well, I didn't know that about Nancy Reagan either. I just think it's interesting to like, we should take a look back at first ladies who were, you know, like this, who were just, you know, it was at a time when a lot of like brilliant and really tough women had to sort of sublimate themselves to their husband's
Starting point is 00:57:18 careers. And like, I really feel like in a lot of cases, you'll find that it was basically the women like who are calling the shots like because reagan did not seem like a very tough person but apparently nancy was just like not fucking around but it's also that thing of like the husband and the wife could have the same exact behavior right and the women's would be much more received as hostile whereas the man's would be received as like tough boy does he get it right right you know and so like i always wonder in scenarios where we are talking about it like that how much of it was was that how much of it was just a woman saying things right yeah she had
Starting point is 00:58:00 full right to to maybe say yeah no i totally like i'm saying that i fucking respect this like i i think it's awesome because people have like genuine affection for her but also seem to be terrified of her like yeah and like when then when you look at like what their depictions are descriptions of her childhood time too was even like yo she basically told everybody she ran shit yeah from jump street right if it was the school bus she fucking ran who even spoke to whom right you know i mean and then taking shots at uh who's it geraldine ferraro she referred to as quote that four million dollar i can't say it but it rhymes with rich and then everyone's like whoa so she referred to this person as a four million dollar bitch just
Starting point is 00:58:42 like that was her nickname but then she knew the optics that she was like the description of this write-up of hers. Like she was mortified that she had let slip the mask that had concealed the mean streak that had first emerged in her childhood. She immediately apologized to Ferraro and kept her salty tongue in place for years afterward. So I don't know if the salty tongue thing is apt. Do you remember when Jeb was about to run and or like was running and there was a soundbite of her going like, I don't know if the salty tongue thing is apt. Do you remember when Jeb was about to run, or was running, and there was a sound bite of her going, like, I don't know. There's got to be another family that should be doing this, right? She was essentially like, it can't just be two families
Starting point is 00:59:17 that are just going to keep going back and forth. Another bush. And then she got in trouble. They were like, what are you doing? Yeah, that's why I feel like I bet yo those Bush children the sons of George H.W. Bush were probably so shook of their
Starting point is 00:59:32 mother like if that's her description because if you look at Jeb and G.W. they're like as if their mom would be like is this your finger painting are you a fucking dumb fuck that's weird it Are you a fucking dumb fuck? That's weird.
Starting point is 00:59:45 It looks like a fucking toe painting. Throw it in the trash, Jeb. You idiot. What a fucking name, huh? I'm sorry, ladies. He's an idiot. It was Jeff, but I want you to be embarrassed the rest of your life. You're Jeb.
Starting point is 01:00:02 Is that short for Jebediah? Oh, apparently, according to super producer Ana Hosnier, Jeb is not short for Jebediah. It is an acronym for his full name, which is... John Ellis Bush Sr. Or because you know why? Because John was probably like Barbara's father, and she's like, he would be disappointed in you.
Starting point is 01:00:21 You will be Jeb. Fuck out of here, John. I can't even. I don't feel comfortable. I can hear my father's urn rattling. So, yeah. I mean, look, you know, you were clearly the matriarch of a dynastic political family. Right.
Starting point is 01:00:37 So, you know, shouts to you. You know, it's never nice. You never want to hear about anyone passing away. Yeah. But it seemed like she did it on her terms, too, because she, I think, refused to have any more life-saving procedures over the weekend, they reported. So it seemed like... And just real quick, right before I died, nobody talked to June.
Starting point is 01:00:55 Yeah, right. No one fucking talked to June. June, I know you showed up. We are not talking to you. June's just in the corner like, aw. Yeah. Like, she's, like, wiping her head with a washcloth, and she's like, who let this bitch in here?
Starting point is 01:01:09 June, call the police. $2 bitch. Besides your feet on wiki feet, what is something you think is underrated? Ooh, underrated, I would say, is making an exit. Because, I don't know, I like to just disappear from social situations. You like to make an entrance, but not an exit. Right.
Starting point is 01:01:29 I like to crash through the ceiling, but then leave quietly. Right. But last night I did a show at a Christian college. Nice. I was doing a bunch of time before a Princess Diaries screening. Was this in a theater? It was in the mansion that the princess diaries takes place in wait for real yeah it's at mount saint mary's college i didn't mention that earlier yeah
Starting point is 01:01:51 it was in the mansion that julie andrews lives oh they shot at mount saint mary's college yeah they did and so they were showing the princess diaries there is a big old catholic sleepover uh little jamie came in with with her with her little jokes. And I was trying to leave. I was trying to get to my Uber after that show. And I couldn't figure out what the way out was. And so I ended up- What do you mean? Isn't it my time's over? Thank you. Transaction finished. I have to go home. Oh, no. So I left the building. And then I couldn't figure out how to get out of the campus. Because I was like, oh, there's probably an exit over here. And that's where my Uber was waiting. And I was calling him. And he was just like, where are you? I was like, oh, there's probably an exit over here. And that's where my Uber was waiting. And I was calling him. And he was just like, where are you?
Starting point is 01:02:25 I was like, I can't figure out how to get out. And he was like, OK, we'll figure it out. Uber pool, full. A brimming Uber pool. Oh, you must have looked like the fucking asshole when you pulled up. So what I did was I scaled a gate, which I've never done before. It wasn't a high gate, but it was a gate. So I was scaling the gate.
Starting point is 01:02:44 Entire Uber pool is watching. And then as I'm climbing the gate, the gate swings open. Oh, my God. And I was right next to a gaping exit that was like two feet over. It looked like a gigantic moron. Did anybody get it on video? No. You were going gonna be famous no
Starting point is 01:03:07 that is unbelievable it was I mean the frame for that video would have been clear exit right and someone on a gate
Starting point is 01:03:14 that is not even hinged closed swinging open with them on it that's one of my favorite videos just in the history of the internet is that happening to a police officer as he's scaling a wall to go in on a raid. And then he gets stuck on the fence with his crotch at the top of the fence.
Starting point is 01:03:34 And then the door swings open and the rest of the cops just walk right through. Yeah, there's another one like that of this old, it's from Russia or something. This guy is trying to get through this really awful hole in in a chain link fence and he just keeps getting caught and i think he might be drunk or something because he's got like a black bag and then they pan over there's an actual just cut out of the gate and like these kids are walking but it's like the best reveal of like watch this guy watch this guy struggle struggle then pan oh look that oh okay so that was uh that was deeply humiliating and then i was was in that Uber pool for a half hour after that, and no one said anything. Yeah.
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