The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 200 (Best of 11/1/21-11/5/21)

Episode Date: November 7, 2021

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Please welcome the brilliant and talented Yael Evan. Oh! Yael! Hi. Welcome. Oh, thank you. That was a long intro. I know.

Hey. It's nice. We have to let people know, sometimes on this sad little show we have accomplished distinguished guests on so thank you so much for coming by oh yeah thank you for inviting me yeah yeah yeah i never had a communion wafer before but you made it sound really good oh it's so good delicious it's so flavorless you know it's really i remember you know the first time I pretended to like take communion, like, you know, you have to be confirmed usually, you know, like, or you have to have your first communion. Yeah, because you all the pressure when you're like in a religious school, they're like, what? You're not you're not like everybody else.

I'm like with my Asian mom and black dad who was almost like an atheist. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah. I love this. Yeah. Let me hit that wafer real quick. Once you pop, you can't stop. Yeah, exactly. You're in New York, right?

I am. Yeah, I'm in Brooklyn. How's the weather? Are we getting fall New York weather? Yeah. Did y'all get a storm too recently? We got a storm a couple of days ago. I think because of that storm that no one was prepared for with all the rain.

Now, everyone was very... We were talking about it all day and then i don't know i went to sleep and i think it happened overnight and honestly i don't think it did as you know nearly any damage so it was fine i'm enjoying i'm enjoying the colder weather yeah for the next you know for the next month or so then it will be too cold fully cold yeah i remember this in New York. I don't know if it's specific to New York or it's just a, you know, the most recent place I lived that has weather. But like we had a really big, almost like blizzard. They were like over there's over a foot of snow in the streets.

And it like all came down at once to the point that my wife was driving home from the hospital and like her car got stuck in the middle of the street like just that's how much snow was coming down like it just got stuck mid snowstorm and like i had to like shovel it out but it was like still in the middle of the street it got stuck like while driving oh my god but then the rest of that winter every time it was there was like a one percent chance of snow, the local news would be like, Blizzard coming! Everybody nail down everything! Secure your children!

And then it was nothing. But it was just like, once there was a weather event, that's all they needed. Then it was apoca-blizzard. Yeah. I would definitely take LA weather. Yeah. Bring it here. Stay in New York.

Oh, wow. And I'm so scared of a situation like that because I didn't grow up with snow at all, so I would not know what to do. Yeah, pollution might be doing that work for you. Yeah, it's getting... Winters are actually less harsh. I've seen the projections.

I think New York's going to be a tropical climate by the mid-century so yeah you know it's like exxon always says if you don't like the weather just wait around 100 years and we will have uh completely changed it yeah you'll be alive to see it but trust me this is a little happy we do like to ask our guest what is something from your search history well i it was just this morning actually i have this thing i mean it's not like i'm sure everyone deals with it but i for whatever reason sweat a lot sometimes at night to the point where like i wake up at like 3 a.m and i'm like drenched in my sweat and i don't know why but it worries me because it's like one gross and i like go back to bed

with like a towel like sleepily just like lied out on my towel and pass out again but yeah i googled why do i switch so much in my sleep and you know it came back with the usual stuff like one it was like it's normal and then the other one was like you have cancer so one extreme or the other yeah right i'll forget about it or see an oncologist immediately. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like my body already has like a slew of problems to begin with that. Like I could probably pinpoint it the reason to. But like, yeah, I Google physical things too much. Like my sister's a doctor and she hates that I do that because every time I see her. Well, because like she's like because I just Google every small thing

that happens to my body. Like, why is my eye twitching? Or like, why are my knuckles cracking so loud? Or whatever. It's just like, just let it happen. You don't have to know why everything is the way it is. This is why I hate magic. I don't like magic because I don't understand it.

That's a different issue. You just demand the magic show stop and you're like how did you do that that's it call it off turn on the lights I don't like not understanding but yeah I don't know why it doesn't happen every night it'll happen

so random and I'll just like it'll be disgusting and have to like change everything I've had things like that but it's cause like I'll be stressed like I'll have a wild ass stress dream yeah and i wake up and i'm like what the fuck stress is also one of the things they listed stress and like hormone stuff i think is my issue and just like yeah yeah metal puzzle women go through it. Hot night flashes, hot flashes, which is, I think, my thing. Because I have, like, told. It's a long story.

Sure. But, yeah. Yeah. The sweating. I get it. I don't like the sweating. You know, because I used to be like that, too. Like, being on WebMD all the time.

Why my toe in this one knuckle feel like that? Is it gout? You know what I mean? And it's like, no. in this one knuckle feel like is it gout you know what i mean and it's like no but i have a friend who's a nurse and you know like it's very like i'm always like bothering her and she's been like a trauma nurse she's been to icu now she's in oncology so she has like a good like sense of things not to say i'm asking for medical advice but ever i'm like yo man this thing hurts she's like look the thing you got to understand about your body is like it's alive so sometimes shit's gonna hurt because your body's just doing some

shit that doesn't mean you're fucking ill because your leg hurt in the night like maybe just something was going on or you overused something and you didn't realize and like that cut down my googling by about 70 is to because i was like oh okay so it's normal sometimes she's like yeah like unless you have chronic pain somewhere then like you can like give yourself the break of realizing your body isn't a live thing and constantly shit is happening yeah that's what my sister tries to drill into my head and it doesn't always work because i still do it but like literally i i will call her at the most. I'm terrible. She must hate me so much. But like, I'll call her at the most random times for the stupidest fucking shit. Like literally, the other day, I called her because I was confused. Like, I had suddenly,

I think I was almost going to dissociate, but I wasn't. But I was in my bed and suddenly like, was confused about the world. And I was like, Raimi, am I going through a psychotic break? I'm like, like what i don't know i wasn't but i convinced myself i mean i'm just i have problems hey look we all we're all we're all uh working to be our best selves but i think you know this got to bring awareness sometimes yeah yeah it's uh i have to wash my sheets today is the point of that so the thing that put it in perspective for me is that our body carries more than a hundred trillion microbes like living creatures in it which

is like way way more than the number of people on earth so it's like we are a entire galaxy we're a galaxy of we of a population that you know there's a little war somewhere down there that just might affect us or cause us to sweat or shit ourselves jack is poetic today like that and then the poisoning the well of his comedy like this is a new side of jack i haven't realized but yeah i'm trying to bring this show up to first rate you know yeah that's right what is something you think is overrated joe fireworks okay uh they are ubiquitous they are the staple of some holidays and we have not had any advancements in what we see i feel like my whole life,

fireworks have looked exactly the same. Every once in a while, you'll get like the shape of a fish and you're like, okay, why? You got a squid. Yeah, and you're like, I think that was a fish. I just think they're primitive and also, especially living in Los Angeles,

and I think people in big cities might relate to this. Sometimes you'll just be sitting around and there's a gigantic explosion. And it's very frightening. And then you have to remember, oh, yeah, people just will shoot off fireworks. Residential grade explosives. Yeah. Yeah. And also, it's terrorism to pets. Right. And I can't pets right and i can't get on i can't

get on you know what i'll make the bold statement i'm not getting on board with any terrorism of any kind but wow right yeah that's i know i i went there but yeah i just think across the board fireworks just i mean can we not just like do a laser light show in the sky is that not something we can figure out because yeah it just seems like it would solve a lot of problems, be more interesting. Yeah. Or like in Japan, there's a huge culture of firework shows. But they do them in these huge areas that is in the middle of the city. So, I mean, Tokyo is pretty dense, but you'll do it over the Yokohama Bay or something.

Tokyo is pretty dense, but you'll do it over like the Yokohama Bay or something. And so everyone can see from like many angles and they're like, we're setting off like 70,000 individual fireworks and come to get your mind blown. Versus like, I think in America, everything's like cowboy style. So it's like, hey, man, check out this shit I rigged. I might blow up the fucking neighborhood. Who knows? But it's going to be sick and loud for 45 minutes. And so I feel like maybe just focus them. Because I like seeing little bang bangs go off.

But in the way you're saying, like when it's Memorial Day or Fourth of July and then your neighborhood just sounds like a bunch of random explosions, it's tough. I'm going to go the opposite direction and say i like an ambient like a holiday with like your ambient fireworks for a night and they're just like kind of shooting off once in a while but like putting all the pressure on it that you're gonna see a firework show like i just feel like that is competing with too much in our day and age of you know it's just the same shit over and over again with just different colors it's i feel like doing a show as opposed to like the my opinion on fireworks i started liking them more once i was able to like set a few off when i lived in missouri and like when you drove to the airport there were just these massive like firework barns that you could like go and get actual like

real deal fireworks like when they're just like out and around and like something you could like set a couple off they're kind of fun but if it's just a thing like as it was when i was growing up of just like you go you sit on a blanket and watch a handful of them be set off for 15 minutes while the pops play. Like, it's not as... I'm not as into it. No, you got... I'm telling you,

you have to see, like, where my mom's from in Japan. Niigata, there's a thing. And Nagaoka, which is, like, the biggest fireworks show in, like, one of them in Japan. There's a finale where it's, like, the whole fucking, like,

two-kilometer-wide display goes up and you'll i'm guarantee you've never seen some shit like that that's so that's what i mean like like really take the time if you're gonna go there like blow our heads off right right yeah because you could like it feels like growing up it'd be like we're gonna go see the fireworks and we'd like drive 20 minutes and like it'd take a long time to park And we'd walk across a bridge and then we'd sit down. And it was the exact same thing I've seen every single time. It was just never worth the effort. Yeah, totally.

My best experiences with fireworks are when like I forgot it was the 4th of July and was like out for a run. And then like fireworks were like shooting off around like the town. And it was like, oh, that's really cool. And it's sort of ambient and a found experience as opposed to one that you're sitting down for and getting everybody to come for it. Wow me. Wow me.

What is something you think is underrated? I want to give some love to Anna Faris. There's all this Twitter stuff going on, I guess. What's his name? Oh, shit.ris pratt posted it with his new wife and it's like right said that thing about like i look i don't know what his situation is i don't know if he was being shady he doesn't feel like he knows how to be shady because he's all like you know bribled up but he was like oh she gave this new wife whose name i'm sorry, I forget who he married. Oh, Schwarzenegger.

He married Schwarzenegger that she gave him like a healthy daughter. And I guess I don't know. I don't know the exact details. I believe Anna Faris's son was born like premature. And so they had to like, you know, obviously he had some complications. So I don't know. I don't know if that was active shade. But regardless, it's like you don't need to write that period. So like, I don't know. I don't know if that was active shade, but regardless, it's like,

you don't need to write that, period. You don't need to write that. You don't need to acknowledge that there is a healthy child when at some point you had an issue with another child. It's like, that's not cool. That's absolutely not cool. It's also like, I agree that it doesn't,

he doesn't feel like he's capable of like being actively intentionally shady. He feels like he's the type of person who considers himself above shadiness and would say some shit like that without even thinking about it because he feels like he's so far above it. What? It's just facts. Yeah.

I just think that you can praise your wife without saying stuff like that because I think Anna Faris is dope as hell. She's funny. She's like the most like human person you've ever had. Like all her podcasts. She just seems so high. It's the most relatable shit I've ever heard. She's just like,

what? That's how I feel. There have even been times I think we've had to interact with her and you're like, I've always been taken aback at how normal she is she seems like the most normal person and she's so funny let's give it up for scary movie okay single handedly her and regina hall carried those films so funny i mean honestly she's a i in my opinion legendary uh comedic actor. Love me some Anna Faris.

I also think that she, like, I don't know if they're the best episodes of SNL, but I think some of her guest hosting on SNL, like, some of the role, some of her performances are, like, some of the strongest moments I've ever seen a guest host have on SNL. She's just, like, so naturally funny

and I feel like underrated as a comedic force. I like how people, someone tweeted about how you could look at this post and it'll very quickly tell you what side of the planet you're on based on what you think of that post.

If it's cringe or sweet and normal. Let's just say Tulsi Gabbard commented on it. Tulsi. I mean, yeah yeah damn me for me regina ho it was nice to see her in uh nine perfect strangers yeah that's when i was like look at that fucking range it ain't just comedy no she's also amazing all right let's take a quick break and we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and L.A.-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths

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10 points there a republican came through and defeated the Democratic incumbent. And, you know, we've talked in the past couple episodes about how this is being covered in the mainstream, that like this, this is the hope for the Republican Party, that they can take the parts of Trumpism that are helpful, discard the toxic parts and win a bunch of seats in the midterm. And that seems to have borne out, right? Yeah. I think one thing to just keep in mind is like, if you look statistically at Virginia in like since the 70s, there's only been one time a Democrat has won the presidency and then the governor's house didn't flip. So this is pretty much a like this is just a general pattern.

I think especially like, you know, one in 11 that that feels like this was going to be a pretty hard fought thing. But, yeah, I don't I mean, there's there there's a lot of work being done in Virginia to not have like a real policy for McAuliffe to like run on more than being like, Youngkin's a Republican, though. Right. So in like Trump endorsed him and we're going to buy a bunch of ads with the Youngkin's name on it. Just trying to be like, yeah, so Trump loves him. So McAuliffe. Yeah. him so mcgullough yeah anything else and then in buffalo the democratic primary earlier this year the a democratic socialist india walton defeated the incumbent mayor byron brown and so that was unacceptable to the establishment and so they started distributing stamps with his name on them for people to put in the write-in part so that there would be no spelling errors and just to make it super easy, which seems like the sort of thing that you wouldn't get away with if

you were not the incumbent and had been in power for four terms. But they did get away with, and had been in power for four terms. But they did get away with it. Seems like they pulled it off. And so the Democrats are successfully defeating socialists, not successfully defeating Republicans. And this just kind of sent me down a spiral of I think Democrats would rather lose to a Republican than a socialist at this point. It seems like because their entire identity is defining themselves in opposition to the Republican Party and socialism kind of throws everything out of whack because it forces them to answer questions about why they don't normally do things for their constituents. And so they are willing to, you know, get very creative. And in the case of the Buffalo mayoral race, you know, bring in a bunch of Republicans to vote for their candidate in order to defeat

the Democratic Socialist. They think that a lot of the votes for the incumbent were Republicans who just came in because socialism evil. And yeah, it's it just makes me wonder, you know, as we're seeing the results in in the Biden administration of a Democratic Party that is just defines itself in opposition to republicans but doesn't really stand for anything like it seems like more and more there it's becoming clear that there is a absolute need for another answer that's not the democratic party but i don't know well i think a lot of the discourse afterwards is it's never going to question the party or the manner, the way the government is set up or the system that we have. It's like, what? I mean, what happened with progressives are like, wow, white women really swung this thing for Youngkin in the governor's race rather than. Holy shit. I mean, because, again, it involves a party completely self-owning by being like, man, we totally fucked up. We promise shit and we don't deliver. We have a very inconsistent platform. We also have some of like the least compelling people leading the party that really doesn't move the needle for younger people who are living in a pretty much like antithetical lived reality than the one leaders think they're in.

Yeah. So there's like a huge issue, like in terms of just even like what the because like the face of the Democratic Party is Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden. Right. That's, you know, and to think that they can just kind of keep coming back to this and people go, oh, like the speaker goat is back. Like that, that doesn't energize anyone at all or anymore. I mean, maybe it did when they took the house, like in 2006 or whatever it was when Bush was in office. But at this point, they're completely out of ideas and don't know how to speak to people

and are still wondering what the problem is. And I think that's, what's really alarming. It's like, they just, I think slowly and slowly being like, yeah, we don't get it. We don't get it. I don't know. I like I think the missing ingredient that I hadn't fully been taking into account until like paying as much attention as we have been while doing this show for the past four years is and especially the past year when you have a Democratic socialist candidate that like the mainstream media is really like part of the whole system that makes it impossible for there ever to be an alternative. Yes. To the the big Democratic Party. Yeah. the Black Lives Matter protests, the genuine, like, aggrievement and energy and grief that was coming from a nation that is being murdered with impunity as, like, a radical movement that they're claiming scared people away and not acknowledging that that's because of the unfair coverage where,

you know, local news and even the New York Times is portraying it as radical and leading to more murders. And then also the way that the mainstream media focuses on the small culture war things about TV shows removing blackface characters. I feel like when you look at, like, if you just take a collage of all the New York times is coverage of the black lives matter movement since George Floyd was murdered,

you would like get this melange of like radical protests that are, that like ultimately are about like things that are impossible to achieve and that like lead to a higher murder rate and right it's just like like i and and then you know just the way that they cover socialism is also just a complete disingenuous fuck job yeah it i'm i mean this is also just just beyond the media too the pattern of uh-oh scary people of color yeah that's just a fucking tactic that works all the time in this country unfortunately like you know there's just as you know especially with looking at how the blm coverage works it's it's too if again it's because all these things force reckonings and we're the country that cannot have to reckon with anything ever at all so you know we're at this point too we're like

the we're clearly at the end stage here of the the most this two-party system can do the wheels are coming off, people need support, and the government, even with a party in power of everything still can't do it. It's just like, because there's all these blocks to without understanding, it's like, oh, do we really need to have a fundamental reconfiguration or renegotiation with how we see people's health care or how we see people's education or right to a domicile or shelter and that just it's some it's a conversation that's just too difficult for the established powers so yeah i don't know if this is going to be you know like i think a lot

of optimistic democrat pundits are like hey hey, man, this could be this. Now they're seeing what's going on. Now the Democratic leadership is going to see what's going on and now they're going to really do stuff. They're going to they'll figure it out. That's the good part of this is they can figure it out. I'm like, really? Because there's been a lot of opportunities and I haven't seen anything like that. Yeah. I mean, you know, we have a couple of years with Obama having won a, you know, massive like what today qualifies as like a landslide victory to win the presidency, having both

houses of Congress. And, you know, the most he was able to get through was an Obamacare bill that was basically written by health insurance companies. And now we have Biden with both houses and unable to do anything. And it's just it seems like the Democrats are willing to fight for their ability to stay in power and then do nothing. Like that seems to be what is ultimately their goal. Well, regardless of what they say, like stay in power, don't change anything. Just keep the status quo.

Well, and I think people just need to understand like really the larger point too, is like the, like the thing that is going to solve things is like the poison of the established powers now. Right. So they're just in this impossible situation where they'll they can't embrace the thing that would spell their demise or their platform's demise. And I think that's and that's all we're watching. Right.

They're unable to connect the dots because then they'd have to be like oh we suck we can't do this right you know so instead of like oh yeah yeah well hey man paid family leave man yeah two years of community college tuition free baby we got this uh 15 minimum wage now to biden is pulls back on this biden pulls back on this. Biden pulls back on this. Because, wow, it's easy to say that. And then you're like, okay, so to do that, we have to kind of fundamentally change some things about the tax code and some taxation elements. Also, where our empathy goes, because it can no longer go to business owners and the people who are benefactors in terms of donations.

So I think that has to be more of the norm that people sort of need to, at a baseline, need to understand rather than getting into like the back and forth, like, well, is it Democrats or Republicans? Is it the messaging? It's no. We're at a point in, societally,

we're at a point where we need major change, but we have people there that are completely, they're unable to change their operating system and it's incompatible with them. So I think the surprise has to end at a certain point and people have to like the larger discussion about is this the right thing at all and how can we change that or what do we need to do as citizens to figure out how we can ensure these things or exert the proper influence to get people to, you know, come to the table to bring better outcomes for, you know, just general Americans. Yeah. I think climate's going to move the needle, I think the most, right? Because all these other things are things that we can ignore to a certain extent or like just put off nobody having insurance or put off minimum wage hikes

or put off whatever. But when it's like, oh, we're having all these, you know, severe weather events or, you know, all these other negative outcomes, I feel like that is going to force the revolution needle a little bit more. It's the closest to the for those reasons, for sure, because it's tangible and it's very difficult to act like it's not some fantasy ghost concept that just like half the country believes in. But then you look at what's happening in Glasgow right now with the sort of deals being made around climate change and you're like, God, they don't fucking get it. No, I know.

And again, because this is just just like any just like our problems here or just as it relates to global warming the people that are there to make the decisions the the answer to the question spells the demise of the power structure that they've benefited from right so there's it's that's just the absurdity of how leadership is running globally at the moment, because like, again, with all the talk of like late stage capitalism and where we're at, it's like, yeah, the the momentum of all the good parts has is worn off at this point. We're no longer coasting like we did in decades previous from like the little bit of improvements that were made to make things slightly more equitable for some people. But now, because it's been the same thing, like how can we extract the most with giving back the least? You know, it's, it's only creating this uneasiness across the country and the world where many people are starting to feel like, like, if you're not informed, it just, everything just

feels like general unease and instability. But again, we're at a crossroads and we're refusing it's a crossroads. And the people who genuinely have all the power in this country, given like in the current system, are able to insulate themselves from the devastation of climate change because it is a problem that mostly affects poor people that aren't able to buy an island in New Zealand to go weather the apocalypse on. Yeah, or even just have the assets to say,

you know what, we're going to move, we're leaving this place, pack your stuff up, we'll put the rest in storage. And now we live in this country. Yeah. That's, I think that's short sighted though. Like, I think that's going to catch up with people because it's not, it's so funny. I was at dinner with someone and he was like, oh, we're, it was horrible how he was saying it, but he was like, we're in that bracket, right? Like we're going to be able to escape it. And I was like, you are like a TV writer. You can't outrun this thing.

It's going to have a societal cost that you're going to wind up paying, even if it's going to be like a tax that you could pay now and it could be less or you could pay it later and you're still going to have to pay it because you'll have to pay for your share in society crumbling basically all right let's talk about redlining you know it was i feel like most people who listen to the show would know what redlining is but it was the you know racist practice of making it so that people of color and black households hispanic households could not get loans for homes to be couldn't become homeowners and therefore couldn't grow their wealth yeah quite literally drawing red lines on a map where where their communities of color and banks are like don't invest there yeah don't allow people to get loans. We're not interested in those. And yes, like you're saying, a racist practice that was technically outlawed in 1968, but

the negative impacts, we still feel them today. I mean, yeah, just quickly, we've talked about it before, but it still happens informally in the real estate market with landlords and real estate agents claiming there aren't apartments available to families of color or not showing them houses in neighborhoods where they believe or where they claim that a family of color would lower the property value. That's a piece of accepted wisdom in the real estate industry in a lot of places. That's actually a thing that real estate agents and landlords have been caught on camera and on audio doing in the last few years in backwater shitholes like, I don't know, New York City and New Jersey and LA. Yeah, it's just everywhere. Yeah. And as you look, like you're saying, home ownership in America, the path to wealth accumulation is typically intersecting with property ownership, with owning your home. And when you look at the start of 2020,

nearly 75% of white households own their homes compared to 40% of black households or 48% of Hispanic households or even 55% of black households or 48% of Hispanic households and or even 55% of other racial minority households. So the DOJ has announced that it's going to be tackling this problem with a new initiative called the Combating Redlining Initiative and taking many approaches to sort of try and create some more financial equality, like strengthening their working relationships with financial agencies to make sure like redlining, like they're like, oh, like we can identify what's happening here and referred to authorities, also increasing coordination with state officials to weed out

potential fair lending violations. But at the end of the day, like this, while this is a great thing, I think one of the biggest missing missing facts that isn't talked about enough when you talk about the income inequality or just the huge differences that we have in financial outcomes for white Americans as it relates more specifically to black Americans, minorities as a whole, you know, there have just been generations of black people who have been kept from attaining wealth. And this has been happening again since chattel slavery. And it's a huge contributing factor to the inequality we see today. Just like if you zoom out, right, and you look at the value of slaves, slavery, the 4 million slaves that were in the U.S. in 1860 were worth about four billion dollars in 1860 time in today's money that would be close to 42 trillion dollars that's what the slaves were worth okay and then if you zoom out a little bit more and you say well what about the wages that potentially were kept or could have been paid to slaves that comes out to about 20.3 trillion

dollars in wages if they're if slavery was a wage wage gig rather than fucking slavery. So you're thinking of these are massive amounts of money that were taken off the backs of the slave labor and now just put into all kinds of communities in the United States. You also look at the Homestead Act where people were given houses that were basically taken from Native Americans. That was that was mostly for white people. They say about, you know, 48 million people in the United States benefit from the Homestead Act, probably unbeknownst to them. And this is sort of the table that black Americans were given a seat at. And that's the gap that, you know, black people have had to overcome. black people have had to overcome. And when you look at how redlining took another opportunity for upward social mobility away, it becomes truly staggering as it relates to redlining

in like the fifties and sixties. Like this is when most people's grandparents were buying homes and things like that. Percentages of house ownership went from 30% to 60%. But in that time, 98% of the home loans were given to white families. So at every stop, you're like, there's so much shit to overcome. And when you look at this redlining task force, I'm like, this is great. But also when you really think about what you are trying to, how you're trying to rebalance the scales, it's such a minuscule drop in the bucket, especially when you think about the, you know, 40 acres and a mule that were promised to newly freed slaves as well, and how the government reneged on that and there's that's

also trillions of dollars in wealth that completely could have been in the hands of black families yeah so it's just a very interesting thing to mull over as like the headline is merely talking about redlining without like come on give people like really the foundational understanding of like why this needs to be addressed. So what are they going to do? I mean, in this instance, they're just saying we're going to do better about being taking, you know, discriminatory lending practices seriously. But then that's what I'm saying. Like, I really want people to have the perspective of like, well, here's the thing.

Imagine if descendants of slaves were actually given some kind of reparations. Reparations, yeah. You know, and what that actually means to create some level of equity. Because at every turn, there were just these moments where the United States government were able to just sort of reinforce

this caste system very cynically. And now we're only getting to a point where like we're talking about just a drip in the bucket yeah yeah the 42 trillion like just to think about that that 42 trillion dollars worth of you know value that was stolen from black slaves and that was used by the families the plantation owners the to become extremely wealthy and that money is still in those communities like yeah to this day like that's that it's it's a thing that's so foreign to americans like they're reading this book the history of debt the first 5 000 years and the author like uses this phrase a person who acts

like he doesn't owe anything to anyone and he's like would use it as like a self-evidently like thing that stupid or unvirtuous people would do and like that's not a saying in america because that that's almost like the american ideal like when you Google that in America, they're like, you don't know shit to anybody. Like there is just people reinforcing that. And it's the, the idea that you, you know, we rewrite people's life stories for them or only listen to the parts of their life stories that involve them pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. This is what that Malcolm Gladwell book, Outliers, was about, is people who have advantages, they have their stories rewritten. So instead of focusing on the fact that Bill Gates was uniquely wealthy and in a school system that had the only computers where he could have learned programming

as a kid, his story gets retold so that he is a college dropout who made it from nothing to becoming Bill Gates. And it's just so outside of the American ideal to think about the fact that that you are the result of a number of, you know, ancestors, people before you who got breaks or were robbing people. And like, that's just so hard for Americans to wrap their head around, I think specifically because we are founded on a country of, you know, slavery. And so it's a thing. It's a memory that they specifically don't want to have and therefore we've built our entire ethos around the idea that we're all just starting from a blank slate yeah america started in 1920 right you know i mean don't look about anything before that and i mean and i think that's what we're seeing, just all of the panic around like educating people and what it means to teach history in this country, because it's about confronting the ugly shit that is part of your history that you have to learn from to be able to move past it, to grow past it if you're gonna always make yourself ignorant of those things then you know like that saying goes you're doomed to repeat it and we are continuing to and still shrugging like

shrugging our shoulders like what's going on how do we still huh yeah you really helped me organize thoughts about just always feeling like this is a more ahistorical culture that i'm in and i live here but i will say about reparations that also from like a foreign perspective it's really not a radical proposal when you are um when you have family who's been through the holocaust because you know my grandma would get reparations until she passed last year from germany so it's like yeah it has yeah yeah it's not it's not. It's not unheard of no one even came close to the amount of money that was being made with slaves in the united states like the south was like the most profitable tiny piece of land during that time because of all the the slavery and i think that's a huge part that you know it's like just like with anything with people like what's my

white privilege like more than that American privilege or the foundation financially that this whole thing is set up on is is so fucking ugly. But again, it's easier to just say like, yeah, it was just like a couple people were doing it. It's not really like the main engine financial engine of the country when it's exactly what it was. and financial engine of the country when it's exactly what it was. Yeah. So it sounds like this test force is not going to try to necessarily deal with the sins of the past,

but more like tackle what is still happening, like what's actively happening now with lenders. Is that right? Yeah. I mean, that's what it is. Yeah, exactly. Like this is what we can do now. But it's like one of these things

where it's like somewhat the damage is so significant from everything else preceding it that it just feels it's really bad faith gesture to not truly observe that and say, wow, that's a lot of money that is owed to these people. Yeah. Because we basically just brought them over in bondage and extracted every last drop of value from these people's bodies. Yeah. We heard a story last week about how one of the guys running for Virginia governor, the Republican, not not surprisingly, helped a woman who like was outraged that her high school age son was being asked to read Toni Morrison's Beloved. read tony morrison's beloved and like she was the one making the ad about it she was the one who she didn't say what the book was but acted like that was pornography or like some sort of just yeah violent act of violence when it's actually a pulitzer prize winning like one of one of the great novels based on actual events based on actual events yeah but that's violence to the american psyche for the reasons that we're talking about in this story

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So 90 percent voted not to accept it. And that's what sent them on strike. The company has now come back with an offer that doubled the wage increase from 5% to 10%, which follows years of no raises. So much earned and deserved and still probably not enough, but moving in the right direction and boosted retirement pay and benefits. This is according to the Des Moines Register, so I don't know if those are significant. Could easily be an overly positive spin being put on it by the company to make it seem like the union's being unreasonable if they reject it. But regardless, a doubling of the raise for everyone is significant. I don't know if it's

enough, but it just goes to show you that unions don't help at all and only want to make themselves richer right amazon so yeah apparently apparently there's something to this whole collective action thing yeah i mean it seems from what i've seen it doesn't sound like people are as upset like as maybe like the iotsy uh things were like we're saying like this is not like we can go for a lot more right but i don't know i'm curious to hear from uh any people with a stake in that if you're a uaw member let us know is it bunk the results on the iotsy thing that where they backed down from the strike they the union members didn't feel like they got everything they wanted is that no yeah no they they were like if if we're able to mobilize this much and truly put like producers the studios on a back foot we could we should really be we should really be asking for

like the things we really need and not just sort of take like something in the form of they're acknowledging what we're asking for so i don't i'm i have to have to look into that to see if they've ratified it yet but I don't know if they have. before that and then seeing how much power that they had in the unity of the union that they could have been asking for more. So I think people were disappointed. Got it. Yeah. All right. Well, let's talk about another lopsided score.

An Englewood high school football team beat their rival 106 to nothing. You know, if it's just a regular game, i feel like that's overboard if it's your rival like i don't know well here's the thing it's locally there's been a lot of talk because like you know it was a local high school story a lot of criticism for inglewood high school for you know like they're they're they have a commit like ucla commit just Justin Martin. He threw 13 touchdown passes. And then at halftime, they were winning 86 to nothing. And then they went for two and they were up over 100 points. So they were putting a bashing in there.

Now, I understand in general, people are like sort of the idea that that's a ridiculous score to run up for like a things with student athletes but it's like it's wild it's to the point where there's like all these people like condemning it wholly be like this is absolutely a business this is terrible this is nonsense cif the california interscholastic or what is it in our yeah interscholastic, or what is it? Yeah, Interscholastic Federation? Anyway, the governing body for high school sports, CIF, they're calling for, like, an investigation. And I'm like, what the fuck? Exactly. They're going to come away and be like, yeah, they really fucked them up.

I don't know. How's this team so good? Right. Yeah. So I'm just, like, curious, just in general, what the outrage is about. Who we're protecting? Because personally, I fucking love a blowout.

I love watching a blowout. Can the investigation also be how bad the other team is? Right. How did they get so good, but also... But also, man, these guys shit the bed. I've coached youth sports before, and I get it. Just straight-up athletic homicide can be a shitty experience for young kids, especially if you're trying to cultivate like an interest or love of a sport or competition and to just get, you know, demoralized at a young age. I can see how maybe you're concerned about like what those outcomes might be.

Like when you're playing at about to go to college level and this is like, you know, you're you're fully at this point. I don't think these kids have to be realistic. They're not getting in the fucking NFL. It is what it is. I don't know. Like, I don't see if I'm not sure if they're protected by having like some kind of more articulated mercy rule or something like that. Yeah. What do you do? What is the move?

What's the quote classy like you put in the set on your third string yeah exactly and they kept their their players on and i just don't know like i it's hard for me to say like oh that's objectively like terrible and immoral thing to do i'm like objectively this team is better than the other one right right yeah i don't know and i kind of like you said it's like high school and so i don't know these kids like playing the game i don't i really i'm not the authority on on football you guys i know said earlier that i was and i am wearing pads i'm wearing full pads but yep and you took your mouth guard out for us thank you but i mean i don't know

jack like what do you think i mean you've you're you come from a coaching tradition. You're familiar with like what that means and what it means to athletes. But is it again, like I said, if there's a line being drawn, I can see it with like truly like true youth sports. Right. You know, like you don't want a six year old crying because like they just they'll never believe in themselves because some like phenom kids like you know just destroyed them in a game i think when it becomes a national news story that's probably a little bit too much for the losing team like when it's an unprecedented ass kicking that like when there are 40 kids who are the like butt of a national news story joke. Like that probably sucks for them in a way that you don't think the kids who lost feel weird coming to school and like knowing that they're a part, like that they're on the daily zeitgeist for instance. I mean, that's what I'm not,

but I'm not taking shots at them for losing. Okay. I'm not saying, you know what I mean? It's not being like, ha ha, these kids suck. I'm, that's what I'm not, but I'm not taking shots at them for losing. Okay. I'm not saying, you know what I mean? It's not being like, ha ha, these kids suck. I'm like,

holy shit, this team scored 106 points. Sure. That's that, like they must be phenomenal athletes. Yeah. But the story by default

is going to have that whether you're thinking it or not, like somebody is going to be right. But the mere attention is that it's drawing attention to the,

the absolute L that this team has taken. But'm i'm just curious of like psychologically you know if we're playing it out like what is it like is it is this something that's going to follow them around for the rest of their lives are they like irreversibly changed by losing 106 to nothing because i remember like i was in high school too like we would go up against teams you're like yo they have three kids that are going to d1 schools like we're gonna get absolutely fucking battered like it was just it was known accepted it happened fine even if it was like a huge blowout i mean not arriving to like a big old goose egg to 106 points but there was like there is a preparation that i feel like athletes do do

when they go we're just up against something that's completely completely different quantity in our high school league at what point is it funny like at what point does it become a funny story you tell people like i was in high school and we got demolished right right i think when does that turn yeah the more i think about it the more this is probably bad for people who care too much about high school football. And that's it. So I'm kind of OK with it because like, right, I cared too much about my high school basketball team. We sucked. And now in and pretty soon after, in retrospect, I didn't give a shit and thought it was kind of funny that we had the lacrosse coach coaching us and he didn't really know the rules of basketball. And but like, yeah. So anybody who is on the zero end of this of this loss, you know, probably shouldn't care much about football at this point because they're not going anywhere. It's not doing anything for them i i would imagine and also like sports is kind of silly in the end right and when you see like their responses on some of the tweets that have described this game like you will see the kinds

of people jack you're talking about where like it's some guy in like a ranger pickup truck with like his wraparound shades it's like hey in texas they would have put on the third string that's why texas high school football coaches are cut above and classy. And like, those were the takes. Like, it's like, yeah,

of course this happens in California. Like I was like, I don't know even what this means. What are the stakes for you, sir? I don't understand. The sanctity. Yeah.

Right. And I, but I mean, in general, right? Like losing is just something that will occur. Like you will, you will take L's in life in general.

Like I have been metaphorically experienced a blowout when I've, you know, tried to challenge myself or thought I was capable of something because of my own overconfidence. And I was like, oh shit, I actually have a lot to learn. That didn't go nearly as close as I thought it would. And I need to either redouble my efforts or understand like, oh, maybe this isn't for me. But like to say like to avoid an experience like that at all. And I'm not saying kids need to get blown out 106 to nothing, but I just don't think it arrives at this thing that we're, you know, it's, it's, uh, you know, pearl clutching time. I mean,

I'm a socialist in America. I do nothing but take L's constantly like that's that is the lived experience of every leftist in america but yeah you need you need to probably learn how to how to deal with this the thing you were saying about the texas college football coach i'm wondering if like college football coach has become the coolest job in like mean like middle like if you just took the average of all americans like the job that they have the most respect for would be college football coach because we have fucking ted lasso where like they've created this fucking religious figure who's the college football coach we've got like a tommy tuberville we've got like a lot of college football coaches who are like entering politics.

Yeah. Entering politics. They're like our our new like former military person, like the highest honor you can achieve is like winning a bunch of games in football. Like, yeah, right. I think that's fully true. And I think they have done surveys where they're like, who is the most respected person state by state? And for a lot of the states, it's like the big, like in the Southeast,

especially. Yeah. Yeah. They're up there with like the King of Kings himself, Christ or Donald Trump. Depending. Right. Yeah.

Praise them. And they are, they are already like the highest paid people in each state, like state employees in each state so right that's again i mean and aside from like arguments like injuries can occur like if a game is already like a thing well it's like well then you need to actually articulate some kind of law that would be like no sorry this game is out of reach it's over yeah but then also like a lot of people like that could also have an effect on players too if you're really concerned if they're like they're

like oh we're so bad Oh, we're so bad. Like, yeah, we're just waiting for this inevitable death point in the, in the match. Yeah. Because people talk about like, where's the outrage and this,

someone in the root wrote up, they're like, you know, Lisa Leslie scored like over, I think nearly a hundred points in her high school basketball game. And people were like, this is a, this is great.

Yeah. Well, you know what I mean? There's some racist white people who are not like that. I'm sure yeah yeah but i mean it's just like interesting of like at what point you allow these like allow a superior talent to just do their thing and just be like shit and like yeah it's what it is yeah just salute yeah tear tear streaming down your face yeah god bless you if anything this was probably the safest college football game because nobody's like trying at the end of that game when you're getting beat 106 to nothing

nobody's gonna like put their body on the line trying to get a fucking concussion to stop them from scoring i mean at a certain point like if it were me as a as a high school student i would be rooting for the other team to score so that i had a story to tell it's a meme yeah it's a meme i think it's like yeah i think especially if it was football like i would immediately see the humor in it and be like kind of you know right me too and i feel like if you're if you're on the other team, you kind of lay down so you don't give him a highlight reel. So any of the good plays he's doing look weird. Start doing weird stuff on the field

so he can't use it. If you're trying, it's going to look like he's dominating. Grab your chest and pretend you're having a heart attack. As the ball is snapped. Or just keep going. Just encroachment penalties. You march them just keep going, just encroachment penalties. So you just,

you march them up the field with your encroachment penalties. Yeah. Try to, try to hug him. Try to kiss him. Like you do all sorts of weird shit. Yeah.

You're doing so good. I love you. You guys are so good. Wow. Because again, I just want to point out, Lisa Leslie's Has scored 101 points In 16 minutes

That's yeah Wait what? Yes How the fuck Is that even possible? The irony too Is that she went to Morningside

Which is the school That got blown out Hey alright Are you serious? It's a balance Really life is a balance Guys Look she did 101 points

In 16 minutes Y'all lost 106 to nothing Yeah There's all that we're even created constantly we're back we're back to square one i mean that is karma that is karmic as fuck all right and finally we just want to talk about the tomahawk chop because the world series will be over at this point it might not yeah i i feel like the world series is probably going to be over or heading towards being over if you were aware that it was happening because what says

global competition better than a game played between texas and georgia but as everybody probably knows by now because of the gif of melania rolling her eyes at uh donald trump the first couple was at game four or former first couple and trump thanked the uh mlb for inviting him and then the officials had to come out and be like uh we didn't invite you man you specifically has to come so atlanta gave him a box which is you know probably to protect him and yeah like that's it's just something that nobody has ever had to do with a former president which is like just so we're clear we did not about the invitation no no no no no we do not honor him and yeah so they famously uh did the racist tomahawk chop. And people are now, you know, people on the right are like liberal sports writers are trying to cancel the Braves because, you know, they claim that liberal sports writers hate the sport and fans in our country.

Donald Trump Jr. retweeted a picture of or a video of his dad doing the tomahawk chop and said, the left, the chop is racist Americans. And then just showed his dad doing the racist thing. Wow. Americans also racist. What was your point? He's so bad at it. I kind of lost the thread there. I every Halloween I'm reminded of the time when he dressed up in a, uh, American flag onesie, like leotard and his dad's face for Halloween. Like, I think it was 2017. It was very troubling. Just psychologically. Even like with this, right? Even though they're like, they're trying to cancel.

But there's always like these things like, actually, man, like Native American people like love it. So like, I don't know. I don't know what the problem is. Yeah. Like, really, sir. Can you find me some quotes? Yeah. All right. It's the I have a black friend and he says I'm allowed to use the N word defense.

The Native American community and that. So this is from MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred. The Native American community in that region is fully supportive of the Braves program, including the CHOP. For me, that's kind of the end of the story, except several indigenous groups, including the Atlanta Indigenous Peoples Association and the National Congress of American Indians, have spoken out against the gesture, explicitly contradicting that bullshit narrative that the commish was trying to come with. Well, then it's probably been happening recently.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's only been happening recently. It's just because it's woke culture stuff. So the last time the Braves were in the World Series in 1991, there were like widely publicized stop the chop protests in 1991, years ago yeah well you know 1991 was a very very woke time uh-huh yeah you know i man nirvana oh yeah got my blood boiling just thinking about the woke culture that kurt cobain brought to and the mlb commissioner at that time buried the issue and was like, we need

more education, but we'll talk more about it after the World Series, which they did not. And the Atlanta team did put a, like, educational, like, installment in the ballpark to, quote, educate

fans on the Cherokee culture and customs. There done done done and done so the the chop and the like song that they sing along with it originates with a literal cartoon it shares similarities with the theme song for a racist cartoon from the 50s called powwow the Indian boy which was on the captain kangaroo show and yeah it's it's not great it's based on old college marching band songs with names like war chant and massacre and it's but i mean college marching band songs are all you know good and not racist and horrifying so we're all good there but people are pointing out that trump may have actually helped the protest movement because.

Yeah. What better than have him. Right. The the mascot of racism like cosigns the thing that you're trying to claim is not racist. There you go. Yeah. Smiling ear to ear. Like this is what I do. Yeah. And then his son being like, just people think this is racist. But here is my dad, a racist doing the racist thing. So what's your point? Yeah. Anyways. So the chop is racist. And I think it's one of those things where like the Braves and also the Chicago Blackhawks have managed to kind of keep it stay low.

Right. Well, like the Cleveland Guardians washington football team very quickly people like that huh what's up what because i think those are the most the least nuanced versions yes i'm just like yeah right and one is a slur right and the other one has one of the most offensive mascots i've ever seen yeah i mean yeah and even the braves had chief nakahoma and stuff he lived in like a tp like in the fucking field and shit but like i've seen like i think the last time like there was even a an attempt for a reckoning like with the chicago blackhawks in the nhl they were saying like oh it's an the blackhawk was this actual person

and we're actually honoring him that's what the whole point is he loved hockey yeah uh so we do it he's so into it he played some games told us he was cool with it yeah doing doing some pickup uh for some beaver pelts uh you know uh you know like with some traders you know you know how you know how he got down but they did the same thing too like we actually have like an exhibit and so like we're like trying to educate people. But even then, like local activists were like, that's not enough. 99. Duh. I mean, as if we could forget. I'm sure that is one of those things I was wrong about that not a single member

of the Zeitgang would have pointed out. I don't know. Maybe not. I don't know. We have listeners in the ATL there. They'll be like, excuse you, bro. Yeah, that's true. Mariano Rivera freaking blew us out. I don't know why I'm talking like a New Yorker. No, that was

a perfect Atlanta accent. Perfect ATL. And we have had a fully offensive World Series before. We've had the Braves versus the Indians. 95. So, you know, it's boo.

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