The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 203 (Best of 11/22/21-11/24/21)

Episode Date: November 28, 2021

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The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. What is something from your search history? So related, all of it was Star Wars terms that I was spell checking, except for who is that defense attorney on SVU? I don't know why I thought Google would know which one I was talking about. But I have been, I mean, I've been mainlining Law & Order SVU for the past two-ish weeks

to the point where I will watch anywhere between four and ten episodes a day. I can't get enough. I know I'd never really seen it. I thought I didn't like violence. Apparently I do. Only when Mariska Hargitay is there.

It's basically like my new personality, hobby, and job all in one. Yeah. So are you late to the SVU part? I feel like SVU is... Have you always been messing with SVU? No! I'm literally 500 episodes late.

I don't know what happened. Wow. Yeah, because I feel like it's interesting to hear people like, I'm just getting into SVU. Where most people are like, man, SVU has been my number one forever that I don't talk about. I think part of it might be because lately when you binge watch a show, if they dump the whole thing at once, you know, you spend a Saturday night and then it's over. This never ends. It's bottomless. And I just keep going and going and going. And I'm I'm still like seasons away. It's still in the modern era of it where there's just,

I can't stop consuming it. Have you been to the immersive SVU experience at Six Flags? I honestly don't know if that's a joke or not. If it's real, I'm going to... Part of me was like, is it a walkthrough? Right.

Yeah, I could see that actually, like a crime scene. Yeah. I just want to go in their office. Right. Right. Yeah. It feels like an installation you'd have at like a Halloween horror nights or something.

Yeah. It's like, oh, do a crime scene with the people at SVU or like CSI or some shit like that. But no, I guess not. Oh, I wish. Oh, how I wish. I also love though, too. I mean, I've watched it here and there but never you know to the point where you know they're definitely fans of the show but I also like the idea of you know when

you get into a show you're like I like this show and you're like there's only three seasons whereas you're looking at you're like there's hundreds of episodes that I've yet to even begun to experience so let this long may it last for you thank you I know there's definitely some deep-seated psychological reason where I'm like, it'll never run out. It'll never abandon me like my other favorite shows. But at least for now, I just love it because in every episode, there's about 30 seconds where they reference being actual people that exist in New York City. Well, they'll get a coffee at a coffee cart or they'll be like, come on, we'll go make dinner. And I think I'm just living for that like the moments in my brain that i can piece together to make them sort of svu

sitcom i think that's really where the joy lies you're like that's that's the best part of the show yeah i have some svu slash fix that i can send your way it's but it's all just about them living very boring ordinary lives in between the crimes. That's kind of what I want. They're like roommates. They could be talking about the most interesting stuff when they get home, like what happened at work today, and there's like nothing. Yeah. Like, you want to watch Lost or something?

They're like, yeah, okay. It's called SVU Days Off. It's just their days off, going to the Met. They're like, actually, if you treat New York like you're a tourist in your own town, it's really nice. We should try that Halal guy's car. What is something you think is overrated, Anna? This is a little dark because of what happened recently in the news. But I'm going to say it because I do think it's true.

I think music festivals are very overrated. And I say that because I went to Outside Lands in San Francisco over Halloween, and there were all these amazing acts, you know, like The Strokes, Tyler, Glass Animals, Nelly was randomly there. Lizzo was the headliner. And on paper, that's really cool.

It's like, yeah, I want to go see all those artists. But the shows suck. Because, man, I feel like I figured out the scam and I'm pissed. So, like, Glass Animals goes on to perform at 6 p.m. And I'm like, this music is pretty soft. And everyone is watching Glass Animals because they're really popular right now yeah so the whole like all 50 000 people in this park or however many it is are crowded just to see fucking glass animals while some poor acoustic singers on the other stage that no one cares about and you couldn't hear you

couldn't hear the music and that music music is meant to encircle you. And then, lo and behold, Lizzo goes on at 8 p.m. And the music is blasting all through the park. So they have the capability to turn up this music. So you don't have to squish yourself to the front. They could just turn it louder so people could fucking space out. But they don't and that is a scam and i am not okay with it and so because of that i ended up not going to see a lot of these

artists because i was like i don't want to deal with the crowd and whatever and i missed nelly which was maybe the whole point of going to see Nelly. Oh, man. I guess they didn't hear a lot about him being in the news much recently. But, hey, you always have to find a lineup somewhere. We let our nostalgia dictate. Yeah. I'm curious. So, in your mind, is this a conspiracy?

Like, you're saying, like, they're turning glass animals down because maybe they are trying to help. Like, I'm trying to pull up the set time to see like who was playing when glass animals was playing because it was like the organizer's daughter was on acoustic guitar yeah like in the like circus tent but like yeah because i i really love outside lands actually as a festival i was just talking about that because we had a guest who was just there but it's i like it because of the music festivals it's like the most space and the most bathrooms and the most like and more of like the

things that like trouble me about a festival is like i gotta hold my p.m for nine hours because like the lines are too long and then you can't get a good spot whereas there you can be pretty like leisurely but i'm i'm sticking more to your point. You're proving my point. Yeah. I went to the best of the best. The most space. The most bathrooms. They had a whole weed space where you go and buy weed and smoke it there. Yeah.

And still, it fucking sucked. And I was so tired. And I tried so hard. And everyone was so drunk in college age and i have never in my life felt older right but let me tell you something look it may be a scam but i cracked the code so they had this like club in a tent and the line was like three hours long it was that's another thing what you spend three hours at a music festival at a fucking line? Give me a break.

So I was like, I'm never getting into that. But I went during Nelly. And it was the only time that that tent was empty. And you could go right in. So that was the price to get into that stupid EDM tent. Everybody who was playing, man, that fuck, that was a lineup on that day. Crumbin went on before glass animals. And then K Trinada was after glass animals.

Yeah. And then that led into Tyler, or you could have caught Sango at the house by. Wow. I look, I'm trying to find a conspiracy here, but it's a lot of heavy hitters. But it's too much.

It's too much. Ana, you should know that Miles is sponsored by Outside Lands. So this is the response you're going to get any time you criticize. And I hope you got that VIP ticket because actually the savings in time alone make it worth the extra $400. Now, you know, I'm just a fan, but shout out to Ranger Dave. I think that's absolutely true about music festivals based on my experience of going to Coachella once. It was just like a total crapshoot

and probably the most disappointing live music experience I've ever had was seeing Outkast live for the first time, their first reunion show on that run. Oh, 2014? Yeah. Hey, 2014. Yeah. Hey, I was there. You were there first week or second week?

Second week. Cause I was, my strategy is always to buy second week tickets. Cause everyone wants the first week tickets or back, you know, when I used to go. So first week, the sound was all fucked up for the outcast show.

Like you really, and then like, I think Andre started get like getting sort of assuming that the audience just wasn't into them and like so he started like kind of yelling at the audience but it was just like the sound fucking sucked it was so bad like for their show they just hadn't like dialed it in and it's really tough it's and it's a tough thing for an artist because unless you're the headliner and they blast that music and have it all figured out for your set plus you get the setup on stage like tyler was in a fucking boat on stage that was really cool but unless you have

that it is a lot of space to fill up with your like presence and 070 shake who i love went up and i guess she goes by 070 shake which i didn't know until i saw that show but put on a great show but it's like this big ass stage and it was at the very beginning of the festival day one so not a lot of people were there and she did the same thing where she was kind of yelling at the audience like come on be excited right and you just saw everyone just like not into it and i was like fuck this place i'm gonna go smoke some weed and grasslands there you go maybe they'll turn the volume up i know yeah same stage kid cuddy like at like one in the afternoon was fucking incredible. It was just a total crapshoot. It is. And also he was out of

his mind on I think the same drugs that the audience was on so it worked out pretty well. That's perfect. The scam I think I think what's tough. The benefit is I like the idea of spending multiple days seeing just great live

music but i think that's where things get a little muddied where like you run into the things that you know like would plague any sort of profit driven operation which is like yeah they spent more money and like made it very comfortable for everyone it would be such a great experience but like really that feels like the the the guiding principle for music festivals, how many fucking sweaty kids can we cram into this parking lot? Yeah. Right. And,

and still pay the artists what they need. And still for us, make the money that we need to make as the organizers. Yes. And that kind of leads into the Astroworld thing where it's like, that was just too many people with too few strategies for how to control just that many people in one place. Yeah. Yeah.

Or none at all. Yeah. What is something you think is underrated? Okay. So I bought a book when I was out of town and I read it in one sitting. Books are overrated. Even though I brought like eight books whoa but so this book is so fucking underrated because i want everyone to read it and talk to

me about it it's called fashion victims the dangers of dress past and present by allison matthews david allison i'm gonna holler at you on Twitter. This book is good as hell. It is illustrated and about all the different like poisonous ways that we have made clothing and the way that it used to kill people. So in an interesting way, it is both about history and labor politics and like capitalism and fashion and crazy macabre deaths, like ballerinas being set on fire by their outfits. No one giving a flying fuck. Girls that made like green fake flowers getting poisoned by the green. People making hats, getting crazy from the hats.

You know? Yeah. But like forever, people are like publishing articles and being like, yo, these people are dying. And they're like, nah, it's cool. These hats are cool, though. Then there was a fashion where they killed whole ass birds and put them on hats. A whole ass taxidermied bird. They literally killed so many that a bunch of those songbirds went extinct.

Jesus Christ. They just wanted them on a fucking hat. How insane. I love it. So, and because what the, was it the mad hatters? That's because they were using mercury, right? Yeah, mercury. They loved to throw some mercury on some shit back in the day, man.

This wasn't even that. It's like tanning solution. Oh, okay. Oh, so day. This wasn't even that. It's like tanning solution. Oh, okay. Oh, so not as like the mad as that. Because mad as a hatter was like, that's like from the UK, right? No, this is all the same thing. But I think the solutions changed. The story wasn't about that.

Got it. Got it. The solutions changed, but stayed poisonous. Peak mercury use. Oh, and then shoe polish. Like people would polish their shoes, go out dancing all night, come home and die. Because the shoe polish seeped through their shoes when they were sweaty and poisoned them. Yeah.

It sounds like, you know, we need more deregulation. So good. And they have pictures of all the stuff that kills, that has killed you. And they're still testing all of these hats. And kills that has killed you and they're still testing all of these hats and they're like yep that still tests positive for mercury like it's been so many fucking years and the hat will test so positive for mercury it's enough to kill like a ton of people and they're like yeah you should just wear it and that's it are the illustrations scattered throughout the book?

Like when a subject comes up, there's a picture there? Or is it the like standard adult book thing where there's just like a center fold of a bunch of pictures? No, they're all throughout. See, that's what the fuck I'm talking about. It's so perfect and all the references for all of them are in there. It's like meticulously researched. So when they're like, this is the kind of green hat that killed people, there'll be a picture of the green hat. And they'll also do a thing where like, this is an advertisement from that time.

That is like a cartoon that shows that kind of green hat or people dying from the green hat. It's right. It's pretty fire. The ads like those people are liars. Our green hats didn't kill no kids. One hundred percent. That is how ads were like slandering people who are a liar by green hats. And a lot of them bought blamed the people wearing the clothes.

They were like, you're a dumb bitch. And that's why you died from setting yourself on fire. Oh, so you know, it was. Yeah. You didn't know your shit was soaked in kerosene to make it that nice texture. That's on you. Oh, sorry. Yeah, you didn't know your shit was soaked in kerosene to make it that nice texture? That's on you. Yeah, exactly.

But you're right, Miles. The mercury thing is a big part of it. I just want to say that there's so many more terrible things. Right, right. So many different levels. Yeah. It wasn't just the mercury, though. And then Max would be like, come to bed.

And I'm like, no, hold on. I have to read about these poisons real quick. I got to get back to these hunters. Take that hat off. It's just a baseball hat. I said off. It's green. Well, it's pretty creepy because apparently a lot of the green dye is still toxic. Yeah. And there's a lot of stuff that you when you're reading the author is like, and actually, this is still real dangerous and we don't know where most of the cheap clothes that you buy come from or who made them or dyed them so actually you could be wearing something that poisons you have a great day wow i just want to tag on an

underrated of illustrations and adult books like not just a bunch of pictures in the middle but like give me some illustrations throughout the the publishing industry you know they need to like find a happy medium between adult books and children's books i think that's why i read a lot of historical books because like cartographic image images and like certain portraits are in there because they're like you got to understand like what you're looking at here like how close this city is to this city and i'm and i think part of me is like yes maps and pictures also i feel like don't you feel like it's a treat when you get to it and i don't want the treats to just be all in a big ass pile randomly right i want it to be

distributed so i'm getting a little treat all the time. Otherwise, and also sometimes it ruins it for you. If they put all of the pictures earlier, sometimes you'll see a picture and I'll be like, oh, it's her dead husband. You're like, he fucking died. I didn't even get to that part yet. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, that's very true. Also, just on the Mercury thing, they liked Mercury so much that the way that we. They liked it so much that the way that we... They liked it so much. They liked it

so much that they used to stick it up their ass when they had incontinence or rather constipation. And that's how we've been able to reconstruct Lewis and Clark's journey is because one of them was constipated and sticking mercury up their ass. So you just like go along and find the latrines that have mercury in them. And that's where they stopped. I'll do you one better. You shove it in your dick hole to treat yourself from syphilis. Is that true? Yes.

And that is what they were doing. And that is apparently one of the myths or theories for how they discovered that mercury helps the tanning process. That like a dude was pissing in the tanks because urine like does does stuff and because he was getting it up treated for murk for syphilis that his process like worked a lot better than other people's so they deduced it that's like

one theory they're like damn yeah john's dirty dick is making good ass holy shit man have you tried reggie's new coats man it's so soft what's your secret man i got syphilis what yeah i'm slowly going insane okay uh thanks and it's it's probably just because like it looked cool right it looks like liquid so? It looks like the T-1000 from Terminator 2. So they were just like, well, that shit must be good for something. Let's keep it around and try it and rub it on everything. Oh, man. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about the news.

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You know, we had a sense that Rittenhouse was going to be found not guilty, but it doesn't feel like... Based on years of just observing the American legal system, sadly. Yeah, but it didn't feel any less like a sickening gut punch to hear them read not guilty five times as this little pig-faced Nazi youth sits there and pretends to faint. But yeah, I i mean these are american values like if you needed any evidence that we should be fighting to teach critical race theory as hard as they're fighting against it like here you go american police started as a slave patrol but you don't need to see that they have roots in white supremacist vigilante violence because we still allow white supremacist vigilantes to just like police and ultimately murder people in the interest of that ideology. a turning point for sure because you're now we've legally essentially set a precedent that you can bring you can bring a weapon with you in a situation where you're there to like protect

whatever but property even if yeah even if you cause a commotion by being armed you are then now it's legal for you to defend yourself even though you've come with provocation in mind. Right. And I think that's, that's going to create a huge chilling factor for people when they want to go protest. It's something people think it's something people will have to consider now when they're in the streets protesting, because now you have said, you know, legally, yeah, if you feel scared enough, then go ahead, start clapping. And, you know, maybe you'll get off based on the complexion of your skin. And, you know, there's a lot of things we're seeing, too. This is now sort of like more and more you're moving into that phase where the right wing violence is now sort of blending more and more with law enforcement and sort of not understanding

where the lines are with who is going to enforce what anymore, because we're damn sure seeing what the police will turn their head and look away from and allow to happen. But we're now like fully it seems like more and more we're going to be seeing this, you know, connection between the police and sort of outsourcing the violence to these other people now, because it used to be the police that were sort of the ones on the front sort of brutalizing protesters. But vigilantes can now act as their agents. rifle coffee was like we're not associated with him black rifle coffee which is itself like a right-wing gun coffee company yeah it was like hey don't don't be wearing our we didn't give him any of that shit don't don't don't mind us but you know a lot of people are point rightly pointing to the contrast between how the police treat unarmed black children versus how they treated a armed with an assault rifle white kid who had just murdered two people. Another instructive comparison is the story of the Not Fucking Around Coalition, which is an armed group that is dedicated to protecting Black lives from police brutality. Just the idea of arming Black citizens who, by the way, have way more reason to need to be armed for like self-defense and preservation of

life than kyle rittenhouse who was avowedly there to protect property he was there to protect like looting or whatever the fucking inanimate objects yeah whatever their fantasy is but they you know since kind of coming together during the black Lives Matter movement of 2020. The Not Fucking Around Coalition has been targeted as an extremist group. Their leader has been arrested and charged with pointing a gun at police, for which he faces three to 27 years in prison. He's currently not allowed to possess a gun or access social media while he awaits trial because these are american values this isn't like that's what's so enraging about this is that was the point the point of the kyle rittenhouse trial was getting him to like be buddy buddy with the judge so

everybody could see that to see like no this is what we condone and like this other thing is what we don't condone the i mean more more than that i think the verdict you know because i see a lot i mean on the right people like where where's black lives matter here at this thing's white people that got killed by kyle rittenhouse and like they're like this is the thing you don't understand that this person was there in service of white supremacy. And what this verdict is really saying, it's trying to erode solidarity, you know, because a lot of people began to understand. Not that they're not enough, but many people in this country said, you know what? Yeah, this is bad. And I should actually stand, you know, with these people who are oppressed and use my privilege as a way to maybe try and change things, maybe better things. And I would like to be an ally to this movement.

But what this is showing you, too, is it's showing that even for white people who are considering allyship, that your whiteness will not protect you if you are standing in direct opposition to white supremacy, because at that point, you it's your your life is just as disposable as a person of colors. And for many people looking at this, it's just that I can only imagine what what kind of what the subtext or what how other people are reading into it. But from my perspective, it's clear to see that this is definitely made to also send a warning shot across people who are saying, you know what, if you're on that side, just so you know, it's the rules will be different. Yeah. And, you know, and again, this legal system has done its job because just like we said in 2020 that summer, right, white supremacy is a living organism that has to survive no matter what. It finds ways to survive. It's not just

simply saying like, all right, we've legislated against it. It's over. Because the second there's mass public action that is kind of showing up and brewing against it, it's going to find these ways to reinforce the message that these public actions are not powerful enough to topple this. Because inherent to all of this is a legal system that is meant to justify and rationalize all of this violence and using its perceived impartiality as a legal system, quote unquote, to again say, no, no, no, there's ways that we can make this work, especially if, like Kyle Rittenhouse, you're there in service of white supremacy or property rights or however somebody wants to spin it. Yeah. And so, I mean, this is especially frustrating because it seems like, you know, at the moment, the defund the police movement has been losing popularity.

They lost a big battle in Minneapolis where they voted to keep the existing police force. And as we talked about last month, there's sort of a mainstream narrative that is tying the rise in violent crime and murder to police defunding, even though nobody actually defunded the police to a degree that they were crippled. And what happened is police budgets got minor cuts from absurd heights. Well, they got three less bazookas. Right. And, you know, that kept them from being armed like Navy SEALs to police their communities. And the main thing that happened was the police basically quit on their communities for daring to criticize them. Police basically quit on their communities for daring to criticize them. And I also think there's probably a breakdown in the public trust in police as it's revealed that police are both continuing to be armed, willing to use deadly force and extremely bad at their job.

So I don't think that's helpful. But the solutions seem to be defund the police, which was interpreted by the mainstream media as like, take the police away. Yeah, police gone forever. And 9-1-1 won't work anymore. force that like is just basically occupying forces being in american cities and in neighborhoods that they don't live in but that are in american cities and where they are willing to use deadly force like that's being treated as like well it's either no police or we keep doubling down on this fucking nightmare scenario so i did just want to like take a second to like check in with what defunding the police could actually look like a lot of people are treating it like it's a branding thing and i don't know like that's i think it is frustrating i mean it's

not that it's a branding thing but people americans again because of the amount of propaganda we consume throughout our lifetimes we're we're just still so invested in these cruel systems and we're at this point where we can acknowledge the cruelty of the systems but not quite able to articulate the way past it or through it you know like everyone goes damn man shit this seems bad like even especially as it relates right now to like labor right everyone's like man this is fucked up like people are just like yeah now that i think about it this is fucked up yeah but we're sort of because there's so much other messaging that is gonna you know keep away things like giving people the imagination on how to make something better for themselves whether

that's to through collective bargaining or through withhold, you know, like, cause now people are organically withholding their labor. There's just, there's a difficulty in articulating to say, yes, this is fucked up. The thing we need to do is X, right? We're just not, there's not enough Americans who are able to get to that part. Many people are just at the part where we're like, yes, this is fucked up. You're right. This is fucked up. up the police just i'm actually just realized yeah it does seem like the police just go after people of color and they're not punished for it because we have things like qualified immunity that's fucked up now what and i think the first thing that people that was brought to the the table in terms of like the vocabulary to use was defund the police,

because that was more acknowledging the fact, the injustice of what our law enforcement system is like, that this cannot, we cannot abide anymore. And because it was co-opted to just mean the end of all public safety, that immediately just put a chilling effect on things. And people were unable to, again, we need to be able to pivot to, to yes it's fucked up and we need to move towards this yes and if we're always stuck at things are fucked up it's very hard to begin organizing around certain things and and like you're saying you have some people who are really talking about completely changing what it means to have like law enforcement and what public safety is and the people who can be involved or the specialties that we need for that. But I don't know, I feel like everything

kind of keeps evolving in this way that it's it's just become very difficult to kind of escape or not escape, but to keep telling people that it's not merely just saying the end of your safety, right, that we have to actually there are other ways to keep people safe and on paper the cops aren't doing a good job right yeah i think it has to be compounded by the fact too that it lately it feels like every sphere of society is just fucked just everything especially that we are we're still in a pandemic it doesn't seem like it's ending anytime soon i read something there's another strain coming like we're just in this. And you can't even count on someone to wear a mask to try not to actively kill you to get a vaccine for the better of the community. It just seems like

there's such a divide in such a deep, deep way that it really is everything that needs to change requires teamwork. And there's so many people who just don't give a shit that it feels like a, at times like an impossible mountain to climb. Yeah. And I think, and that's by design too, you know, like I think to, to help people feel so this sense of despair or like lack of control over anything can easily put, just put people into this new thing about saying well the solution isn't going to be how am i going to work with other people the solution is fucking get your house in order and figure out how you're going to weather this without the help of anyone because i think that's the message that's reflected to people by society

and the government at large which is like you're on your own yeah i feel like yeah i feel like that's exact like rather than you know being like well if only these people would vote for like what is good for them like i feel like that's where a lot of it ends is like these people are idiots like i think a lot of the problems come from the fact that everybody in america is existing in a society where if you don't have enough money you that will let you die like that's that's just like it's a cruel cold fucking world and it's also you know we're being stripped of our humanity by capitalism and by just like being you know turned into values on a on a spreadsheet and i think think that's been a long, slow process, and people are fucking beat down from it. So there's this Rice University article that

kind of takes a look at where alternatives to policing should be focused. And the first category is health, like mental health and drug abuse resources. The vast majority of patrol police over 90% in Seattle address multiple people in mental health crisis every month. Like that's, that is the main thing. Like I, I was dropping my kids off at school on Friday morning, drove past someone who's clearly in having a mental health crisis. And my only recourse like was to call 911 basically, or like stop and do something about it myself, because I don't know what, like, what are the mental health like authorities. And if I call 911 for help, a person who is scared is gonna with a gun is gonna show

up like that's what the police have the ability to do is like use a gun right that's how they solve the fucking problem yeah and you know this is like everything that the police are there for again they're there to clean up the failures of this capitalist system that we're in. We have mental health problems because we will not take care of people with mental health problems. We will not take care of people who need interventions for their drug abuse or need to go into a treatment program. So we allow that to fester. And it turns into someone on the street acting out and people go, oh, my God, I can't. Oh, this person is doing something.

I got to call the police to get them away from me. Right. When really that's because we failed to take care of somebody. You look again, we talk about crimes of desperation, survival crime, like theft and shoplifting and shit like that. That's not that's not because they're fucking Tony Soprano because they just they just stole a bunch of Enfamil. That's not what the fuck is going on. It's because people have been failed. People have we have failed to take care of each other. We have failed to create or provide sustenance or the materials needed to survive. So people are left to their own devices and have to go out and survive.

And that's where the police come in in because we've criminalized needing help. We've criminalized being vulnerable. We've criminalized being poor. And then, but what we've created, but we've completely obscured this dynamic through this lens of law enforcement and the good guys and the bad guys in this binary that that's all it is rather than no, no, no. This is most of us are being brutalized by the same people and for the same reasons, because we're not getting what we need to survive. Yeah, I feel like so what one of the examples that we've talked about before on this show, the Rice University article talks about is CahootsTS, which is the Cornelie-named Eugene, Oregon organization that started as just a thing to help people who are having bad trips, essentially.

And has developed into a very continually useful alternative to the police that can come and help somebody who is having a mental health crisis. the police that can come and help somebody who is having a mental health crisis and a lot of times their job is to just be a person who can do whatever is required at the time you don't need like special training it just seems like there's so many fucking jobs that could be created by supplementing the police with people who don't fucking murder people. Like, how about we try that? Just create a police of people who actually live in the communities and are there to solve problems instead of treat people like enemy combatants. Right. And there have been examples of this with people who are there to help with relationship

crises, domestic violence, which a you know, a lot of times people who are engaging in domestic violence, you know, move on to other violent crimes, but it certainly doesn't help that the thing they're met with when they first engage with in domestic violence is somebody pointing a gun at them. And that's the only, it's either funneled towards prison or figure it out yourself. No mental health resources, no relationship resources. And the other just community patrol in America has traditionally been fucking Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman and people like that, where people, armed white people who are racist, thinking that they need to, you know, just basically playing police officer. And, like, there's, that needs to be supplemented with some, you know,

the Black Panthers were there to police the police, and they were treated like a violent fucking extremist organization, which is all you need to know about the difference in how America approaches these things. But that's another option that is probably the least tested, but the one that absolutely needs to be pursued more than it has to this point. Yeah. Just thinking about, you know, like the whole thing that by America being so intentionally cruel and that's sort of like the, the sort of foundation that like life is built on and keeping people, most people, you know, like in a place where they feel like, well, my only thing that I have is to survive because I'm not looking at a,

I'm not looking at many things that will help me. Granted, there are some, there are social safety nets out there, but in general, the message is if you don't, like, if you don't have, then you will continue to lack and then you will expire. And I think it puts people, it helps always keep people divided because of that because if you're always acknowledging that you're in this survival situation altruism doesn't make sense all the time because you're already accepting that you're in a you're in a situation where surviving is number one and if that's the case it's you know for lack of a better metaphor it's like looking like the squid game marbles episode where suddenly when it's time to survive, you do whatever the fuck you have to do.

That's just human nature. Yeah. And it's such a elegant way to continue to keep people from being able to group together, to organize together because we're too busy fucking dealing with the chaos of like the cruel reality that we're in all the time yeah and i feel like the fact that there aren't all these jobs like there people recognize their communities are fucked they recognize that like there is work to be done there the fact that those jobs aren't created yet, I feel like is like a hangover from a previous time when people like weren't didn't give a fuck about their communities. And, you know, I don't know, like it just feels like this is a problem that could be addressed if

people just act locally. And I don't know, there are the people there is the will to do things to help i mean most people were probably better i mean i would say every person who lives in a neighborhood is will be better at policing their neighborhood than the fucking police yeah that's the thing with where you live you know who the fuck you live with you know who's in your community say oh that person i don't worry about them they're kind of going through it yeah that's i know them there's more there's more context to who this person is rather than a 911 call saying someone is acting belligerent and is you know threatening people with a shopping cart or something because like you're saying we're people we're not we're not things aren't of our communities anymore right and yeah i mean it just i just think of how much

even like where i grew up i knew so much about my neighborhood i knew so much about people who i saw i saw the same regular unhoused people all the time to the point where like i knew what the fuck they were like i like i knew what they were gonna ask me for i knew what their whole rap was and it and you understand you're at that point you actually have a better idea of like what is a threat what is a danger to to you your safety or the community at large but right anyway maybe we'll begin to have a reckoning one day in america but uh we've been reckoning free since fucking whenever you want to put a date to it. Well, speaking about depressing, let's talk about inflation.

Uh-oh. So it's the buzzword of the season. It's been used to explain everything from the labor shortage to why turkeys are more expensive this year. And yeah, it's just a convenient... I mean, it's happening. First of all, it is happening.

Things are getting more expensive so the explanation that we're getting though is that it is all because of the labor class being paid more yeah that's one if you if you follow stephanie rule or if you're watching tucker carlson it's just to be like joe byron is trying to make you poor or if and or the you know at the other at the other part of it corporations are also kind of loving it too but on a much more subtle level because they're loving it because they're using this to actually just raise prices on people because they can't because they see people are paying for it very cynically nothing to do with

stressed supply chains they're just like let's see if we can squeeze out a couple percentage points because this is a very interesting statistic that was in the wall street journal nearly two out of three of the biggest u.s publicly traded companies had larger profit margins this year than they did in 2019 okay and that means nearly 100 of these massive corporations report profits in 2021 that are 50% above profit margins from 2019 pre-pandemic. So they're making money right now. And a lot of it is being revealed in this article in the New Republic. You know, people were sitting in on shareholder calls just to be like, I wonder how this is being messaged to the people that own the stock of some of these companies. And what they're hearing is

things like from this article, quote, in these calls, business leaders employ fancy financial lingo to tell large shareholders how they are engaging in, quote, pricing improvements and, quote, successful pricing strategies. They tell you they are engaging in, quote, pricing improvements and, quote, successful pricing strategies. They tell you they are experiencing customer, quote, elasticities to price increases at historically low levels. When you decode what they're saying, it's nothing less than a euphoric articulation that they're able to pass off price increases to consumers. Bull stop.

And there's like, you know, on one hand, you'll have places like, like in the stock prices are going up because of this. They're like loving it. Like, oh my God, wait, what? And you're making more profits. This is fantastic. You look at a company like Target who had come out and said, you know, we're actually not going to be raising prices. Like we're able to kind of maintain what we have and and have a healthy financial outlook by not raising prices. And shareholders started dumping their stock and sending the stock price down. So people were like, well, I don't want to be on board with some company that's not going to raise their prices to make more money. Are you fucking dumb?

That's so sad. Yeah. That's so depressing. And even on CNBC, Jim Cramer was talking about how Home Depot and Lowe's, they're raising prices because they don't give a fuck. And also they're literally in a mentality of who gonna stop me, boo? Like who gonna check me? Because the two of us run the whole shit. This is from Jim Cramer talking about how these two companies, Lowe's and Home Depot, can, quote, do no wrong because they're passing on rising costs to the public.

Do no wrong because they're passing on rising costs to the public and the public has no choice because these two chains have single handedly wiped out the competition already. So is what we're seeing like the you know, the pandemic caused the government to send out aid to people who had lost their jobs. More people had more like government assistance than they'd had in a long time is that where the quote-unquote elasticity goes comes from and like the government aid those payments that were supposed to like help people get through a rainy day like are just immediately getting like hoovered up by walmart and like all those corporations like yeah yeah i mean potentially but i mean like but you did have a lot of bennies you know benefits run out and for certain people all over the country starting months ago so even now like just even when we talked about that one dumb cnn piece with like my milk's 90 bucks a gallon now and it wasn't but i think they really

like this idea that prices it's just like that's the thing about this. There's a lot of nebulous data that is able to be sort of harnessed for the aims of at this point corporations, because I think at the end of the day, more than like, obviously, the wealth extraction from consumers is a huge thing for them. But more importantly, this is feeding this narrative about what it means with Biden in office and what he aims to do with some of these infrastructure, like with Build Back Better. A lot of that, like the financing from that is to be like, yeah, we just got to charge corporations like their fair share in taxes. That's how we pay for a lot of this

shit. So this is helping them create a little more instability and uncertainty in consumers by raising their prices so they make more money while also saying hey man if joe byron is going to start passing all these other laws inflation is going to be even wilder hold on to your whole butt and paycheck and so that's also their aim at sort of being like now we can kind of stoke an anti-infrastructure movement that will protect our tax rates. Yeah, right. It's like inflation has always been politicized because it's what they were saying before the stimulus passed. That first stimulus like, oh, can't pass a stimulus package because it will spike inflation.

And that's bad. And then all these economists were like, no, it's not really like that. Like you're overblowing this risk. Right. Wow. But I think that's where you see like sort of like the vested interests when we have debates like this of like, do we help people or do we raise corporate taxes? And there are many people who are just on the human ground level who are like, yes, please. That sounds great.

Unfortunately, the messaging and the access to all the levers of like mainstream communication have vested interest in the same way. Be like, we're not paying more fucking taxes. Are you fucking kidding me? We're just going to talk about this inflation and start banging that drum and look the other way. Yeah. There's also just with regards to the supply chain, an explanation I actually heard on the It Could Happen Here daily show. on the It Could Happen Here daily show. They interviewed somebody who works at a soda manufacturing plant

and has worked in various manufacturing jobs over the past four or five years. They were talking about how the big change that's happened is that corporations have now embraced this thing called just-in-time production, which means that you don't start producing something until there's a demand for it. And you don't.

It's like you're not storing anything. There's no overhead. It's just like, okay, so they ran out of this and we're hearing they need more. Now we produce it. And that basically creates, it's cheaper for the companies. It gives them better margins because there's no overhead and there's no like elasticity in the supply chain. So like you don't have extras if suddenly there's a bunch of, you know, this person worked as a casket manufacturer in the past.

deal with that is they just work people inhumanely around the clock until they can get that supply met. It's once again, just the values of the market, of quarterly earnings calls, of CEOs who have just extracted the humanity from the workers and from the laborers and turned it into just you know values on a spreadsheet and you know that is what economics is that's what the modern version of capitalism is and like market logic is just like remove the humanity think of everything as like the numbers are the numbers good yeah yeah so that's not great. But again, it's just the overall system. It's the same overall system that we were talking about with regards to the inflation. and organize themselves to have better outcomes for them, you know, for themselves yet again, to use that word, you know, as it relates to their employment and what benefits they get. And I can only see, I don't think just in time production habits are going to necessarily extinguish those flames. I feel like it's, I'm curious what they're looking at too. Like,

at this point, all the forecasting that happens, whether it's like risk they're worth taking because they're like, well, this thing is faulty and we might get sued, but we can afford it as long as we make enough money up front. Like what kind of stuff they're already looking at in terms of what the unrest will be like with their employees and how to navigate that and see like, well, we could scab it up for this time. Just get through Q4 and then call in the Pinkertons. The really insidious thing that he was talking about is that by making it such a flexible system where you need to move around and like, okay, I'm going to put this person on this job, it actually makes, like he was saying, that he's in a union shop, but the people who are in

a non-union shop actually were in slightly better working conditions as of this moment because they had flexibility but that's all because of the inhumane orders coming down like they're better able to deal with the inhumane orders coming down so it's like the just-in-time production is creating a system where it makes it harder for people who are unionized, which is fucking bullshit. Right. Yeah, it does feel like that's the trend, though. It's harder to be unionized working for a corporation like amazon and i feel like walmart was maybe the writing on the wall where it was like walmart was union busting and people were trying to stop walmart's from being built in their town now it's like fuck it we don't need stores in

our towns we can just have amazon yeah right yeah yeah oh well this is uh i mean we're we're living in a very historic time especially yeah, like, even more than ever. I can't, I just look at things and I'm like, how do these people with, like, who have all the capital really think that at a certain point, like, that you can just run someone down to the point where they're like, okay, I'll just die on the factory floor. Yeah. Like, I mean, and it does happen places, absolutely. floor yeah like i mean and it does happen places absolutely yeah but at a certain point enough people are going to real like i i'm just it's it's always fascinating to see how disconnected those people can be from like what the what the actual reality is of the situation they're in it's fascinating but the show succession exists for a reason and it's beautiful well-written tv

but i mean it's like you don't have exposure. That's our stratified society where you don't have exposure to the working class if you're in that corporate class. Yeah, right. Yeah, the poorest person you know is what? Greg? Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And you find his problems amusing right right right right and you laugh about it and he's only poor because his grandpa doesn't want to give him right yeah that like what one of the things that i've just been like i'm continuing to think over is i'm reading that book debt by david graber is the history of, it's basically a new history of economic systems, like throughout human history. Prior to this, most of my understanding of like how economics works was based on economists, you know, like people who study economics and like subscribe to the Adam Smith idea that like, well, everybody is a financial actor who is like acting in their own self-interest and this book argues that like that is actually like that ideal of humans just acting in self-interest

being like the most basic thing was like introduced by Hobbes and Leviathan was seen as like super cynical at the time that it was introduced and like not an accurate description of humanity because we existed in like small communities that helped each other out. But within like a hundred years, it was the default like assumption because it is so profitable. It's so it's so helpful to people to make money and it's going to be assumed and it makes a sort of shrewd logic or a sort of shrewd sense and it feels like the sort of thing that's tough and realist. has been for the vast, vast majority of our history as a species. For the majority of our history as a species, we've been, you know, the idea that you would just extract as much value from humans as you possibly can is rightly seen as like sociopathic.

It's the, yeah, it's the foundation of colonizing. Yeah. Oh, here's this group. I can push them around. Watch this. Now they're making meizing. Yeah. Oh, here's this group. I can push them around. Watch this. Now they're making me money. Great. Move on to the next town of weaklings.

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to be like, if this guy ran. We love ourselves a hot, famous governor. Hell yeah. We know it. Who cares about his policies? Let me see that ass. Yeah. Twerk for democracy.

He's not going to twerk, though. He won't twerk. That's where he draws the line. Yeah. He'll just play the bongos naked. Yeah, exactly. They love bongos. Yeah.

I would love that. They, they're, you know, Beto O'Rourke, he announced, he's like, yo, I'm getting in the ring. And people are like, okay. I was just born to run, man. I'm just born. What was the thing on the cover of Vanity Fair? I was just got to be in it, man.

I was just born for this. That one where he's like in the truck yeah like that that's the dog yeah the failed vanity fair spread cosplaying as a real american folksy texan guy but yeah there's some you know they said let's do some hypothetical head-to-heads um first what if beto o'rourke and matthew mcconaughey went head-to-head who wins 49 49 to matt 27 to beto then they said okay so if he advances that round what if it's the incumbent governor greg abbott running against the insurgent matthew mcconaughey in that hypothetical runoff based on this poll.

And again, it's very, you know, loose point, even know how they did it. But it Abbott gets 35 percent of the vote. Matthew McConaughey gets 43 percent of the vote. He would be eight points ahead. All right. All right. All right. And that's just a very that's a snapshot literally right now of probably people.

They just called on the phone and who knows how serious they were. But it is interesting to see that it. But oh, but like when they put all three in a three-way race but obviously that wouldn't happen because that's not how elections work no tell me more about this because matt doesn't do three ways yeah well i mean it could be like a jungle primary or something like that but in this straightforward race that in that instance, Abbott gets a plurality. So like because they would split the vote between that. But it also showed. But which is interesting because you're also like, oh, but it looks like some people will go to Matt, though, if it came down to Matt and Abbott.

But I this is just like such a three sums always better when you split the vote. Yeah, I totally know what you mean, but why don't you explain it to the people? Yeah, just... Like, I have tons of experience on three songs, like, obviously. Yeah, I know how to rock the vote. Jack, your mustache says that it has had

a ton of three waves. That mustache says ripping in a tear. It does add some character to my face that is completely unearned it looks jizz soaked it it could be it could be just soaked uh wait does it look just soaked right now i thought i cleaned it up no that's coffee mate okay it's coffee it's coffee mate asshole i drink it straight out of the bottle. I want to be in it, man. I'm just born to be in it. That was the quote on the cover of Vanity Fair that I...

Tell me how that's not about a threesome and wanting to be in it. Oh, you're just outside of an orgy room? Exactly. You're like, hey, if you're not participating, no staring. Okay. So as stupid as this is that he would possibly run what like i would probably prefer him over abbott right i mean he definitely like yeah you not so you kind of have to abbott kind of the worst it's just another it's like another american election special you want the

piece of shit or the person you're like i'd rather not right so yeah i mean you know we've talked about some of the policies that he's articulated in the past and you know he's he's very like he's like yeah man like radical centrist gotta have your uh gotta have your abortions you know i definitely believe in believe in that Gotta get a bobo if you want one And that Have your kids I mean if they want to get vaccinated I'm gonna have to wait on that That's when he starts getting a little

Woo woo LA Alright Edge of our seat I mean again Stranger things have happened i mean arnold schwarzenegger was our literal fucking governor so what about the fucking wrestler jesse fucking ventura like shit happens you know americans one americans love a fucking nonsensical celebrity like situation we don't care what context it's in right we're like george foreman sells grills

we're in we love it like we don't care what the crossover is you know yeah it almost feels like mcconaughey's too high profile to run for governor you know what i mean it's like you could still be in movies like the mother people like yeah i'm not to say schwartz i mean schwarzenegger was very at his prime but like in this day and age of celebrities running, I feel like we need to go like two levels below. Right. To see like, you know,

I don't know who, who that person would be, but yeah, like little flip. I wanted some, I want it to be an all little ticket flip. Yachty. Let's get it popping.

Nas X. You know what I mean? Has a celebrity who's not kind of right-leaning ever won? It seems like they're very successful on the right. You got your Reagans, your Ronalds Reagan, your Ventura, your Schwarzenegger. But who is centrist and has won? Like neocons. is centrist and has won like neocons i feel like neocons reject this idea because or not neocons neolibs reject this idea because they're all straight a students like we talked about so they

like want to believe that come on man this is serious business you have to you have to study economics stick to the pot right yeah i just feel like this won't go as well. But the fact that he appeals to the right as well might make it work. Dude, Fred Thompson was also an actor. Al Franken. Franken. There it is.

Franken's the one. Yeah. Okay. Franken is the answer. Alright, so let's do a quick streaming check in. Squid Game still continues to dominate on the originals charts, but. Probably had a little bit of a Chrissy Teigen boost. Am I right? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Because of that sick ass party. Yeah. I wish I was there. Damn. That shit looked tight. Also, Jesse Ventura, I think, was like Green Party or something. He's not fully Republican because he's always like, 9-11 was done by goblins.

You know, and you're like, okay, full, like, thanks. I feel like maybe Libertarian or am I? Yeah. Maybe I just associated him with that. Green Party. Oh am I? Yeah. Maybe I just associate him with that. Green Party. Oh, really? He was Independence Party from 2000, 2003. Reform Party from 98 to 2000.

He was an independent before 98 and then from 2003 to 2020. I think all that to say opportunistic weirdo. Right. Was he leftist? Am I just like because I was such a fucking like just ate everything that the mainstream media told me? Like, is that why I think he was? I don't ever remember him being portrayed as lefty. Right.

But I mean, I think maybe because he would be like, the Bush administration is out of control. And you're like, oh, OK. I would be even more efficient. you're like oh okay and he's like i would be even more efficient you're like oh it's contextual i guess you're right there's way crazier people now i mean he's no like cinema or something no no no but i mean he for the most part he said like he his like quote was like george w bush was the worst president of my lifetime. Yeah. Well, that's true. That's facts. Yeah, I guess so.

I mean, to that point. Yeah. And then when Pierce Morgan asked him about 9-11, he said, my theory of 9-11 is that we certainly at the best, we knew it was going to happen. They allowed it to happen to further their agenda in the Middle East and to go to these wars. That's not the very least, but that's a plausible possibility, I guess. Yeah. But I know, again, I'm sure Zeitgang will tell us, and they're like, no, check out this hot take on Breonna Taylor.

And you're like, uh-oh. I don't know. But all that to say, I don't know enough, and I don't care enough. So Netflix is monitoring streaming these days and they're telling us, you know, what people are actually watching. Netflix dominating the originals. It's basically all Netflix except for Only Murders in the Building and Ted Lasso. Everything else in the top 10 is Netflix. But on the acquired front, acquired, like you know shows that they brought over that were not original programming they are 100 of the top 10 but they also like so shameless is

number one cocomelon number two in the dark number three i wasn't even like that didn't jog anything for me oh yeah it's the blind woman got it okay and seinfeld's at number four which seinfeld like just dropped i think they were and the money they spent on that they were expecting that to be like a friends slash the office style like phenomenon i think they forget that those are escapism shows and that is not oh seinfeld's like too real seinfeld is yeah seinfeld is is like the world is terrible and people are selfish and like let's laugh at it people are not ready for that right right they're like we want hugs what's a show that's hugs oh ted lasso thank you i want to live in new york and jobs don't

matter friends yeah exactly i just want to worry about whether ross and rachel are going to end up together i don't want to you know worry about whether i see a lot of these selfish tendencies in myself i mean i think hilarious but that's why i think curb is like its own little world because not everybody likes that if it makes you look upset and nervous when that kind of stuff happens then it's not the show for you whereas friends is so much more and the office so much more easily like calming yeah and i feel like comfort food with with seinfeld there's more it was like more influential first of all like got it was more original at the time that it came out and then now like i feel like it's influenced first of all obviously curb is like

just uh a spiritual successor that like does a lot of the things Seinfeld did but like in a more pure form um but also I just feel like it was like Seinfeld was probably more influential on like the comedy writers of the world uh than like friends or the office and so now like in the same way that like Belushi was great and super original, but never really, like, translated to later generations because he was, like, so influential on, like, Farley and, like, a lot of those people that, like, I feel like people the point that now it feels like an earlier version of something that we've already seen like executed super well with like arrested development and you know shows like that that are uber despicable people but like that's the that's the whole joke i like that theory i i there there's, I don't know. I think, yeah. Like your point about Seinfeld being like a, like a comedy, like for comedy people, people like it's pretty, they're like, yo, there's like, there's these Seinfeld things that are like my favorite pieces of comedy or whatever. the way Seinfeld was written and like the, like their whole writing style of,

especially of like making scenes of like stuffing the sausage, as they called it, of like just taking the dumbest premise and just cramming as much drama into the stupidest, nothing you can do to make that just explode with overemphasis. And like, that was sort of like the engine of it. And it's also very like improv derived. Like it's pretty much every episode is a Herald because like, which like that the long form i'm so sorry everyone long form hey it's been a minute

yeah but you know it's where they said the tent poles fought far apart and then in the end they come together in ways that are unexpected so you know that's that was like a classic thing the thing that they had mentioned about the one thing is going to come back always at the end and be the thing that fucks this other thing up. And I think the way that they did that consistently every episode was like pretty remarkable. Yeah. And if you're aspiring, right, I think for, you know, kids that grew up in the 90s, you're like, look back. Damn, like this is really like people want to emulate that. And I feel like maybe because of that influence, like you're saying, it's like this is really like you people want to emulate that and i feel like maybe because of that influence like you're saying it's it's coming back around again yeah

for like you know just people to recapture their love of it or younger people being like oh it's just chooky shit all the old people talking about yeah seinfeld and then it's like what are you doing It's like, what are you doing? I hear my jokes. I can't catch bonkers. This is my final point. Seinfeld himself. Not, I don't know, man. Going in the same direction many older comics who don't understand why people don't like them anymore.

Right. Like old ass, old man takes. Right. Very specific to the 90s with just his style and sexual politics. A lot of bitching about why people don't want to hear about serial again right right yeah yeah and you know like this npr article about like why it might not hit quite as hard as friends makes the point about michael richards which obviously like his you know racist greed on stage makes his performance harder to enjoy

but i also think like a i think we're giving america way too much credit are you fucking kidding sure yeah yeah that's what's ruining it for people oh no he was racist one time yeah okay woody allen and shit gets to make movies mel Mel Gibson out here saying, I hope you get raped by a bunch of Edwards. Louie and Dave Chappelle's got a Grammy nomination. Hey, you can't touch me. Yeah. Don't cancel me. That's my new phone ringer. Don't cancel me the show is already we didn't cancel it we decided to end it on our own i've never been canceled he's uh yeah someone recently was talking his name was in the

headlines again because another comment is like i don't care for him much because of his proclivity for younger women back in the day. Yeah, he dated a, dated, in quotes, that's what it was called at the time, a high school student. Not statutory rape? Yeah, it was, he publicly dated a

high school student. Yeah, and they were like, look how fun, he's picking up his girlfriend at her school or whatever. Yeah, and bringing her to a next game like he's grooming a minor before everyone's eyes but because he has like a kind of a mullet everyone's cool and then everyone was like well it's it makes sense she has big titties i was like do you hear yourself right yeah what do you mean like hearing? Yeah. She has big titties. I'm sorry. Did you not hear me? She's an adult.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Well, Seinfeld, he's laughing on his gigantic piles of cash. Yeah. And I think Steve Bannon, too, that we we get Steve Bannon because of Seinfeld also. Oh, yeah. What was that story again? He was the publisher.

Yeah. Like one of the production companies that like sold the rights to it he had a stake in it so he got a piece of like this huge payout right or like the like when i went to syndication like mass syndication there was like some it's so he became very wealthy from his associate from his failed hollywood career yeah and that gave him a lot of money and who knows where we'd be if that didn't happen but either way america is gonna america with or without steve bannon yeah as bad as the michael richards take that like people aren't watching it because of the the racism npr also has the take that it's set in a shockingly white new york city and that's why people aren't enjoying it because friends i know they're like hmm yeah have you seen friends aisha tyler holds down

that entire show for the entirety of time as the only black person yeah simpler times yeah because like what did what's the did he ever date a person of color woman of color on this show i don't think so i don't think so no jerry no he would never he would never do you remember there's that one episode where elaine thinks that the guy she's dating is a person of color and she just doesn't know what and and that guy thinks she is too and then when they both find out that they're white they're very disappointed and they're like what do you want to do and goes all right i don't know let's go to the gap which right is the only time they address the race thing the ever so the one that ages so well the the Cigar Store Indian episode. Oh, there you go. Yeah.

Great. And then I'm trying to think of anything else that made super. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Like, there's plenty of. What about all the transphobic stuff? Friends was like. Oh, yeah. Was it Chandler's mom?

And they're like. Chandler's mom. Yeah. It's like, he's a cross dresser. And you're like. And he like hated. he hated his mom. I remember it's so funny. The punchlines were always like, I'm fucked up. And the reason I can't have intimacy is it turns out my dad was fucking my piano teacher and he's a girl.

That was like. Yeah. Right. Brought to you by the same people who wrote the Cheers theme song. That has that weird line in it yeah the wait what line there's like and there's like what is it there's a line it's the it's the long version like the verse that wasn't on the tv show okay i was like have i missed something from everybody knows your name part yeah there was a if you're white that's the part they cut

it's where is it it's like something real like a woman being a man or something like that and that being like a point of stress that's why i gotta go to cheers with friends i just didn't watch it for the reasons i was like well i don't see myself in this show so i'm gonna keep watching wayne's brothers or jamie foxx show or something like that i remember like her majesty she'd be like when you know when we were first dating she's like oh you don't watch friends i'm like nah and she she was watching in the background once and i came in it was one of those episodes where kathleen turner is playing chandler's mom and i was like what's going on and like and then i was just watching them just talk about it i'm like yo this is fucked up like what's going on and like and then I was just watching them just talk about it and I'm like yo this is fucked

up like what is this like yeah this this doesn't age well at all and I'm like wow okay but look all shows have I mean I it's wild to watch a lot of stuff I recently started watching things that were sort of like formative for me like sitcoms just to

kind of like understand like how much I can't believe how much the fresh prince of bella like formed my entire like like mental scape same but there's also like ones with like like you also like watch jamie foxx show and you're like okay bro like you are you are not about consent at all oh yeah it's just a fucking punchline the whole time and you're like just start watching these things you're like wow these were very subtle things that we were taking in but very uh also we were so brainwashed that entire time for on the jamie foxx show we were cheering for jamie foxx who just would not leave this fucking poor woman alone and like just ruined her life by sexually harassing her at work

but then but then they're like no and you wear her down and it works out. Hey, fellas, you get it. Wear them down. Wear them down. Oh, that's the word. Your husband wants to be a girl. That's the one. Yeah. It's roll out of bed. Mr. Coffee's dead. The morning's looking bright. Andrew Shrank ran off to Europe and didn't even write and your husband wants to be a girl. It doesn't even like really work

in the thing. It doesn't even make sense in a rhyming scheme. It just sounds like the writer was trying to work out a personal problem. Right. Yeah.

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