The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 206 (Best of 12/13/21-12/17/21)

Episode Date: December 19, 2021

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I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just

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Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Well, Miles, we are thrilled, fortunate, and blessed to be joined in our third seat by one of the smartest people I know.

She's a producer here in iHeart's LA podcast studio, helping to create shows like Fake Doctors, Real Friends. She's a fabulous writer who you can read at Vulture, The A.V. Club, Teen Book, Pace, The Advocate, many more. She is the brilliant, the talented Joelle Moniz. I am back in the house, still the Marvel Defender. So excited to be here today. How are you guys doing? We're great. You have a new microphone and it is covering your eyes as though you are Nick Fury. Yeah, you had it over one eye and you looked like Nick Fury. At one point it was covering both eyes and you looked like, you know, a witness on a like 2020 special that is trying to cover up their identity. But they're just like doing a real half-assed job. that is trying to cover up their identity,

but they're just doing a real half-assed job. You know, it's hard when your brother edits the show because if you don't record right, you're going to hear about it. You're going to hear about it. So I'm trying to get the mic right now that I got a professional mic. I've been podcasting for eight years or something. I just got a real mic.

This is crazy. I'm going to try to hold it here so I can make eye contact. No, don't. No, no. Do whatever you want. I thought it was fun. It was fun.

Yeah. Well, we're thrilled to have you back. How are you doing? How have you been since last you checked in with Zeitgang? Friday? Monday was that? You know, for business folk, it's Q4. So everyone needs everything right this minute.

Not later, not 30 seconds from now. Do not take a nap. Do not do that other work because their work is most important. That's what I'm at right now. The six people being like, but now, like, you have to wait. It's coming. Please believe me. I'm working on it.

I have not forgotten about you. I've sent that email six times. You're in my thoughts the actions are coming can you record this ad three days ago i can't i'm not a time traveler unfortunately damn it someone said you might be as a as a minor podcast uh celebrita if i can if i call myself that also other networks are now ringing me up and being like so our regulars are not available will you come slide in and help us and i'm like this is what i've been asking for all year it would be weird if i said no i just don't sleep now i went to bed at like 11 i was up at three it's fine listen we're gonna get all of it done and it's gonna be great and you know, I got the things I asked for.

So I'm going to just revel in that manifestation. Exactly. Get your worth. Get your worth. Yes. Yes. Gabrus, John G., let us know something from your search history that reveals something about you. Well, this will be pretty obvious.

something about you. Well, this will be pretty obvious, but the most recent one I have is short board shorts size XXL. Never go away, baby. Never go away. Hard to find. Hard to find short board shorts

in my size. That's what I'm on the hunt for. If any listeners here are girthy individuals and have access to short, vintage-looking board shorts, that's what your boy's in the market for. What are you looking for when you say it? Not just a swim trunk, a short trunk, but it has to be a board short? What qualifies? It doesn't have to be, but the i want like board shorts like i need a little stretch i need a little shortness to show the thighs you can't really surf in a budgie

smuggler which is what i normally wear at the beach as a speedo but you can't really surf in it because it like could chafe your thighs and stuff so i just want and i don't need to get i'm already getting roasted by every surfer that's out there as i am on a fucking 10 foot foam padded board. Like it's like a fucking canoe and I'm just wiping out in the fucking short break. They all know I'm a kook. So I just I just want to be able to not look not also be in a speedo. Oh, got it.

So you want you you don't want to immediately be ID'd as a kook out there. Yeah, I need like one slam. Yeah, exactly. i need one layer of illusion yeah yeah got it got it coming up to the water you want them to be like ah and then when you might have what it takes and then they see me in the water absolutely floundering with my nipples bleeding they know what the fuck's up you're nariana huffington out there somebody so i was in hawaii a couple months ago and like i went to a beach and they surfers be cracking me up man because they always pretend they was like yo

you're not gonna get in the water i was just laying on the beach enjoying myself had a little uh cut water vodka mule or moscow mule and drinking enjoying myself and then this like surfer dude comes up. Hey, man, you want to join the class? You want to get in the water? And I was like, oh, man, no, I can't even swim like that. He was like, you don't need to swim. I'm like, nigga, stop lying.

Yes, you do. You got to know how to swim to surf. You should never say to someone that says, I can't swim. You should go, nah, get in the ocean. You shouldn't even get on a fucking you're you love cruising and you can't swim i i get some lessons just in case i'm pretty far i yeah i can stay alive on the cruise i'm not i'm not falling off the boat someone just fell off a woman just fell off the boat in mexico and and swimming didn't help her. She did. No, you're right. Fair enough. Fuck it. Never learn to swim.

You fall off a boat. Swimming ain't going to help you. You go. Hard to argue that, bro. Especially if the person who pushes you off doesn't say anything. They never let the captain know. Oh, yeah. That's wild. She was saying something and then vanished.

That's weird. Yeah, I guess maybe not. I don't know. Let's check her. Maybe check the casino. She must be right. Those spots. Check that state room.

The scene of a murder always. But yeah, you know, I like short shorts, too. I'm thigh gang. I recently I had a suit made for myself and I really like pants are always the hard bit to get tailored. And when I was getting fitted, the dude getting my measurements was like, yeah, you know, you would probably always need to have made like pants custom made. He's like the seat of he's like your waist is a 34, but the actual seat that you need for your thighs is of a 38.

So you could either go 38 and have them tailored down. He's like, but but yeah you would have trouble finding pants that normally fit you because and every time i wear pleated pants the pleat is gone because my thighs are too thick every time i'm the same i have huge thighs a big belly and no s pants fit me in the weirdest fucking ways dude like they hang off the back they bunch in the thigh and they're like flapping in the butt. I got mad space. Let's be honest. I got extra space in the front, too.

No ass. No dick. Big belly. Thick thighs. Clear heart. Can't lose. Can't lose. I look like... You remember the old Montreal Expos logo that basically looked like a D and a B? That's how my thighs and ass look. I got big thighs and a big ass.

And so pants just don't, pants be fucking me up, man. Pants be fucking me up. You got that back porch that we love so much. I got that back porch, baby. What is something you think is overrated? The Mariah Carey Christmas song, All I Want for Christmas is You. I do not like it. This came up on my new podcast, Upworthy Weekly.

There was a story about a bar, I believe it was in Texas, that on their jukebox said, you can't play this song until after Thanksgiving and then only one time per night. And my co-host said he doesn't like any Christmas music, but he does like that song. And I was like, you're entirely wrong. Top to bottom. I like all Christmas. No, I like most, I like good Christmas music, but I don't like that song. And after this aired, I just really got so much shit on Twitter from people. Even Bean of Kevin and Bean was like, Allison, I love you, but I'm sorry you're wrong. It's a great song.

So many people I know, people I respect and love have let me know they love that song. So the other day I put it on and I'm like, I'm going to see. And this is what a big person I am. I'm going to see if I was wrong. Listen to it. Turns out, just like I keep trying to eat cucumber and watermelon and I know they're related. I don't particularly like either of them

and I keep trying. Tried this song, was like, okay, I don't need to hear it again. I still don't like it. So I just feel this song, I'm surprised at how popular it is and I feel it's overrated. Yeah.

It's one of those songs I hear at once in the right context and I'm like, ha ha ha, alright. But in my heavy rotation... What a strange reaction, Miles. Yeah, it gets you... You're kind of like, hey, I'm in a Best Buy. Maybe I'll buy this

blank VHS tape. That's what Jack said when his fish got killed. All right. All right, honey. Another two are floating today. More food. You mean my fish? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

More food. Yeah, more food first. But yeah, like I love, I like, so that's the thing. I like all Christmas music, so I don't hate that one. But I can only listen to that so many times before I have to go back to the old, you know, like ear volume hits of Christmas music. It is. It has reached a level of cultural just dominance that it's. I think it's got to be by far the most played Christmas song, right?

Like it has to be like by multiples. Christmas song, right? It has to be at this point. I think so. By multiples? It just seems like... Because it's the only one that... Nobody's going to ever play a cover of that. And yeah, it's just so omnipresent.

My kids really like it. So I'm in kind of a weird position. All right. I actually also like it. See? Okay. It's surprising. I'm sorry.

It's surprising how many people i otherwise basic ass motherfuckers are out here hey it gets it's good for me for one all right and then yeah then i go on with my day but yeah i'd be lying if i said it didn't give me a little and and you go he he he all right when you hear it at best Buy at the beginning of the season. Like, if it's an indication that it's Christmas season, I can accept it. Right. But when we're in the thick of it, I don't want to hear it. Yeah, like, it's a good kickoff track.

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like not liking that song is probably as close as you can get to the experience of being the Grinch. Like, you know, how the Grinch... My heart is exactly the right size. I know. I'm not saying that you are like a Grinch in any respect, other than that you do have those charges of stealing people's Christmas trees

for the past, I guess, three years, right? I had to fix the light. Right. But just, you know, the way that he can't stand Christmas and like all the Christmas, like that is basically the most omnipresent thing that you could that I could imagine somebody objecting to that's just like, like everywhere. I don't know how you could avoid that around the Christmas holidays. You can't. You're right. It's situational grinchiness. But I look at it like I love Christmas time and everything Christmassy so much very fast it's like that tempo that tempo is too much that tempo is just too much for me i need to bring that shit back because i think in my mind the year

is ending so it's slowing down and maybe just my over consumption of food is contributing to that lethargy but i need the music to also kind of be an energetic match for what i need right you need them to take it down a notch yeah just a little bit just a little bit but yeah i think that's for me that one of the reasons why like i tend to like some of the more classics that are more like brooding and just sort of like slow and yeah yeah evokes a fire a yule log There's a playlist that we listen to called Christmas Crooners, and it's all the classics. And I enjoy that quite a bit.

Yeah. The people who, I think we talk about it on our holiday year-end Christmas song episode, but the people who sound like they eventually died of throat cancer. Yes. Those people.

Yeah, yeah. The classics. What is something you think is underrated there's so many things i think are underrated like i was thinking about rain in la and how everyone complains about the rain and how the rain is like my favorite thing and then i you know then i had this moment yesterday that i really cherished which was when i went to the bathroom at a restaurant and I came back and my food was there. And I was like, is there a better feeling in the world? Yeah, the best.

Especially like sometimes you'll go to the bathroom hoping that that's what's going to happen. You're like, oh, man, I thought it would be here. Fuck it. I'm just going to go to the bathroom. And maybe that'll be the window in which it arrives. Yeah, like you're maybe can sort of catalyze the delivery by go to the bathroom and maybe that'll be the window in which it arrives. Yeah. Like you're maybe can sort of catalyze the delivery by going to the bathroom. I'm trying to like wheel it into the universe by leaving the table.

You come back, it's not there. And you're like, actually, sorry, I forgot to poop, I guess. I forgot to poop. rain in la is like a phenomenon that like i was not aware of until i started living out here but the air is because it's usually so dry the air is like thick with dust and smog and but it's like a lot of you know just everything is is dusty the reason that like you know road crews need a truck out there to like spray down the dust so that it's you know there's just no water so the dust is like hanging in the air and then like you don't realize that like everything is like being like you're you're seeing everything through like a a screen of haze and then it rains and like the air is like

cleaned out of all that and it's like suddenly like five times prettier like right and you're like what have i been inhaling dude like air quality in la i obsess over it in like an unhealthy way probably but we all are inhaling like it's just like the pollution is insane i think clean air is another underrated thing because like when i go to new york where my family lives i'm just like oh my god this is how i'm supposed to breathe right like my skin is better like yeah so when it rains it's just like a sweet in la it's like a sweet day of just like incredible air quality and also just the rain it's like so like needed like in

and it's just like the way the plants react to it like it's just like to have a gloomy LA day it's I mean I grew up in the east coast so I love like the snow I love rain I love like just whether that changes yeah one note here oh I love it yeah but yeah the rain is

like to your point about like how we desperately we actually the earth around here needs it it really is like rain is like to your point about like how we desperately we actually the earth around here needs it it really is like it's like that sip of water in the middle of a hangover like in the middle and i'm like i need yes and like that's how the sit like the plants react like oh fucking thank god so i i do like in some weird way i I feel the same way. I'm like, oh, yes, good, because the earth needs this shit right now. Yeah. It's like the Mad Max scene when he like releases the water faucet and goes down. And like, it's just like, thank heavens.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about Rand Paul, unfortunately. back and talk about Rand Paul, unfortunately. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

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People that are on the left are not as likely to want to be with someone that has a antithetical worldview, while conservatives are willing to, like, bang anyone, I guess, is like the general thesis here. Is that like, yeah, sure, fuck it. Like, which I don't know the the republicans seem to think that this makes them more accepting and like open-minded which kind of misunderstands the the whole situation i have so many questions starting with what conversation leads to these studies right no bro i could totally bang a democrat like you couldn't they just wouldn't

have sex with you okay but i would okay but your choice too doesn't negate their willingness to you know right it seems a foolish question i i don't i don't because i don't understand the bottom line results of this like what are we supposed to do with this information and also anyone with a brain could have told you that because most i feel like i feel confident in saying most democratic women would not sleep with a republican man because they don't want to die right this is pretty much the beginning middle of none of it like i just don't want to die i wouldn't be welcomed here you would want to get into some weird racist kink that i don't want to engage in like it's one of those like situations it's weird to me that the republicans don't recognize that

yet they don't think they're racist so i maybe i don't know much about anything i think it's honestly for democratic women like if i was to fuck a republican i have to actively recognize that oh he thinks lesser of me and i'm being used it's an act of self-hate to fuck a Republican. Yeah. Right. But in doing that, you're being closed-minded to his point of view.

My willingness to have sex with you isn't the same as my willingness to engage in conversation with you. It's weird to me. You won't let me be intimate with you. It's like, you're terrifying. Right. You would force me to carry that baby to full term, you jerk. Yeah. Right. You wouldn't force me to carry

that baby to full term, you jerk. Yeah. Get out of here. I have dildos more politically correct than most Republicans. Listen. So the latest poll was released over

at Axios. It polled 850 college students nationwide in November of this year. And this is all being framed as, I thought the left was tolerant, which ignores that tolerance means that you express your openness through not discriminating, which is discrimination is the very basis of the entire modern and historic Republican point of view since, you know, for most of the 20th century. But yeah, so women are more likely than men to take a strong partisan stance in their personal choices. I wonder if it has anything to do with what you guys were just mentioning about, you know, differences of opinion around, you know, your right to have a say of what you do with your own body. They found 41% of women would go on a date with someone who voted for the opposing candidate compared to 67% of men. 76% of women would work for someone who voted for the other candidate versus 86% of men. And just 68% of women compared to 84% of men would shop at or support the business of someone of the other party.

I feel like that's convoluted because you don't know everyone you're buying. Stop it. You think you, if their opinions were publicly displayed and were, I don't know, actively harming a community and you were very aware of it. Yes, of course you would not shop there but otherwise you're you're just trying to get whatever it is you're trying to get and get on with your day but I also feel this is from the perspective of the way Republicans are sort of projecting themselves into media right now there's this idea of like we're being left out we can't be

in the mainstream I don't understand how you can be i'm against government and frankly individual liberties and i want everyone to carry a gun i don't care whether you feel safe but also please include me in all of your activities why am i not invited to the picnic why are you afraid of me there's such a boil the hot dogs damn it what'd you say we you boiled the hot dogs, damn it. What did you say? We boil what? They boiled the hot dogs. They boiled the hot dogs. And it's nasty and foul. You did not use the correct seasoning. All of your

best recipes come from the Black people you used to own. Like, it's weird. Get out of here. Yeah, I don't I truly do not understand how you can want to be so antisocial, but also be involved in the culture at the same time. Like lions have to be drowned somewhere. It's almost like they're wildly entitled and have no sense of the fucking damage and harm that their horrifying beliefs cause.

I just read an article that was all about what it was like inside Germany after they lost World War II and just like the, you know, coming to terms with themselves as Nazis. And it was a very slow process that involved a lot of cognitive dissonance and people just not being willing to recognize what they did kind of the same way we did with slavery i really feel like it's exactly the same still do with slavery yeah sure there was like but if you think about everything that happens before the launch of jim crow it's like oh black people are free that's sort of terrifying um keep them in their own communities just we'll just like gently exclude them from everything and uh you know what you can pay them two dollars it's fine like really really lower that minimum wage so that we can keep them at reasonable prices and we don't tank our economy and then it was like oh my god they're accumulating wealth cannot have we do not like them living better than us put on your hoods burn their

towns down get rid of it oh crap the law people don't like that we are breaking the law got it jim crow laws now now it's legal and it's fine the racism is over what are you talking about it's such a weird i guess as we as people and i just mean human beings in general just are not comfortable accepting our roles in awful things and our our best defense to quote unquote protect ourselves is just distance yourself as much as possible as quickly as possible from what you've done but also don't change anything because we sort of like how things are there was a a twitter thread i want to say yesterday or maybe a few days ago where a black family was selling their home in San Francisco and they got appraised and it came in super low but they

had a odd feeling about it so they had their white friend step in and redecorate a little bit by changing photos had it reappraised again went up like doubled essentially yeah and a lot of black people are doing this now just call a white friend you should everyone should have one you need one good white friend. They can come bail you out when things are sticky. I like to keep white ladies around, particularly ones that can cry on cue. Keep those tears ready for me, honey. Like, let's do it.

She's a good person. Please don't hurt her. Stop, feel safe in large spaces. Yeah, it's trippy. There's a different article today about a woman who can pass she doesn't try she just can people don't recognize that she's black and she lives in an affluent white neighborhood and she just wrote like talked about all the things people have said to her because they don't know she's black and like my favorite one is like why do you have a

black lives matter sign like they're just out here killing themselves. Like, man. Wow. Ma'am. It's so fucked in the head. It's exhausting. Jesus Christ. Exhausting.

What a great time to be alive. Truly. Truly. Yeah. I mean, America's been bad. A bad place to be alive for a lot of people. It's just like I think we're now coming to terms with it i just think every generation has to continually come to terms with it though right

especially because we do a lot to shield our children from terrible things for good reasons you should be able to have a childhood and not have to deal with the stuff then suddenly it's like okay so we're just going to talk about slavery. They did what? To who? My ancestors? I would be there. Crap. That sucks. Okay, now we're going to talk to you about how we tried to extinguish an entire race of people when we first got here. What? That's awful.

I thought we enjoyed Thanksgiving. That's not how that actually went down. We have to constantly go through this process of unlearning things that we've learned. And I think it's valid because it's the only way it can stay fresh and uncomfortable. Like Barry Jenkins just did this great series on Amazon called Underground. And he spoke a lot about how he's like, I didn't want to dwell in it. But at the same time, I can't ignore sleep. I can't not look it in the face and address it directly. My ancestors survived that. I have to go look at it and stay in these places

and try to feel and come to terms with what happened. I think it sucks. It really sucks. But I also think it's vital. Yeah. Yeah. So this article,

Germany went from their kind of national, like the zeitgeist opinion was that like their loss in World War II and all the, you know, revelations around the Holocaust were a part of a Jewish conspiracy. They called it American financial interests had like put together this conspiracy. But as we talked about on an episode last week, like Germany has become, you know, not they're not perfect, but they are a model of like a nation that has actually accounted for, like come to terms with at least and is trying to pay reparations and like do actual things to to deal with their past. to deal with their past. So there is a path to it.

It's just a long and painful and fucking brutal one. But the work needs to be done. My roommate, well, she actually just moved back to Germany. Her grandfather was literally a Nazi. And the way she talked to me about it, they say we. You never talk about the individual families because there is that great shame about just the involvement. So it is talked and still uncomfortable.

But it's like we all fucked up. And we're going to talk about it. And it was more of a community change. And you just don't talk about the individuals because it's just, she said it like it ate her up inside. Like how could my grandfather be such, such a terrible human, you know? I wonder if America could ever get to that. I feel like, no, I don't want to believe, but i also feel like we are again just as a country just like especially last year was any indication you know there was that giant swell of like we

are not gonna let this happen anymore and we're gonna hire so many black people and we are going to like put some respect on indigenous people's names and it's going to be changed forever and then this year you see a ton of black freelancers talking about how projects that got picked up suddenly dropped agents just not calling back like it was just a complete abandonment within a year and i think that's sort of our future trajectory it's just kind of like these small swells of like oh we don't want to be that but we're legitimately never going to change anything. But please don't think of us that way. It's just, I think we prefer that contradictory state of existence. Yeah. I mean, something will have to change because to this point, it's been just a steady rhythm of people coming up against the reality of America's history and

the reality of America's present. And then there is a white backlash. And, you know, we're seeing that. We saw that on January 6th. We'll see that probably in the 2024 election, which I'm certainly I'm as pessimistic about as I think I've ever been. And yeah, I just don't. So Something will need to change. All right. Well, real quick, Chris Wallace has left Fox News. It was a surprise announcement at the end of his Sunday show. He's apparently going to CNN Plus, which is CNN's subscription service that will, I think, compete to be the least subscribed to service of any sort

that anyone has ever launched, but maybe not. I just don't understand why you would subscribe to that instead of just have CNN on talking about whatever. But anyways, I don't know the behind-the-scenes machinations. I do think that we are seeing broadly like people positioning for like the fourth Reich that is going to be out in the open white supremacy and fascism starting around the 2024 election. And, you know, Fox is putting themselves in in position to no longer really have that critical kind of news focused side of things and you know just be full tucker carlson ledge i guess i guess like his tucker carlson's patriot purge documentary in quotes it was something that chris wallace had criticized and so that that might have led to this but yeah

i mean he's had the unfortunate distinction of being like the one of the few people who would like to try to acknowledge like some level of how bad shit was with Trump and being objective. Like, should a president do that? They're like, oh, OK, you fucking Democrat. Get the fuck out of here. And it's like, I know that's a that's a real question. And yeah, I mean, I think it's it's really I think the fact that you have these sort of challengers to the throne in like OAN and Newsmax, that's pulling them even further off the ledge because they're seeing that they were like hemorrhaging viewers to like Newsmax in certain like time time slots. like time time slots and that's only bad for fox quote-unquote news because yeah like as you see tucker carlson isn't slowing down laura ingram's not slowing down it's just getting further and further into their sort of you know white dominated fantasy world full fascism all the time yeah exactly yeah but i think that's i think people are going to be surprised by how much a second Trump administration is like the lesson they will have learned is to just get rid of like anything resembling brakes on the Trump train and just go like full unadulterated, like authoritarianism and fully like trying to make adjustments while he's in office to keep

him in office and you know make it so that he can't be voted out so that's i think where we're headed but hopefully cnn plus can uh save us and maybe cnn plus will get us our voting rights restored right right i definitely think cable news is what's going to save us in 2024 yes i'm glad somebody else is saying it because that's what i'm hoping person of the year corporate media what oh they told us the truth about joe biden yes thank you like oh god focusing on all the right stories all the time. Yeah, yeah. Time person of the year will be like Donald Trump presents time person of the year. Oh, God.

Yeah. So dark. Trump presents time person of the year. This year is Donald Trump. Yes. Oh, cool. Who's like the next person of the year? The next most personist of the year? I mean, it's got to be Ivanka, right?

Am I the only one who feels like it's got to be ivanka right i'm the only one who feels like it's got to be ivanka it's a sock full of loose bullets joe rogan joe rogan oh man yeah no it's really dark i'm just hoping there's something in that week that can happen that can prevent a trump 2024 and i hope that like the democrats are able to at some point do things for people that really affect their day-to-day lives and in a positive way so we can just avoid total fucking utter disaster in two years yeah the data set not looking too good right now but uh we gotta keep our eyes peeled and like yeah i think it's more and more i hopefully more and more people actually get in touch with how dire the situation especially as it relates to like election boards like you're already seeing like georgia they're purging black members of a county election boards it's like it's

they're they're very much fully positioning themselves to be able to flip a switch and just say like nah man the winner's whoever the fuck we say it is yeah and you're gonna have to fucking accept that and i think that's i don't think that reality has been communicated properly in the news to people it's just always like wow like they're doing a lot of news like a voter suppression rather than saying like hold the fuck on this idea that you live in a country where you could go and vote i mean even now i mean many would argue you know what what good does it do now but even further so we're talking about just absolute vaporware and they're you know

even less accountability is that a fucking situation you want to be in? I mean, it's already bad enough now. And to go deeper down that hole, I think, is a reality that I think Americans aren't able to fathom because voting has always been like a thing that's like, yeah, you vote and then like whoever gets the most votes, you win since you're in school or doing like school elections as a kid.

But that's that idea of like, you know, whoever has more better like more people supporting their ideas wins that's uh more quick very quickly becoming a like an afterthought it totally is an afterthought and it's also just like our the entire way that electoral politics work is based on the idea that it's not actually the amount of people who want something that wins i mean if that was true hillary would have won right that it's not actually the amount of people who want something that wins. I mean, if that was true, Hillary would have won, right? Like, it's sort of this idea that is part of our system. And we've sort of, like, I think, because of that, there's this acceptance of like, yeah, well, that's not how it works here. Like, it's not about the most popular, it's about the

system that we have that we don't totally understand. And I think it sort of ingrains this idea in you that you don't have control over anything. So like, I think, yeah, I don't know. I think it's sort of trickles down and the way that the voting suppression is happening right now. I think you're right where there is a disconnect from like, no, people actually are not going to be able to vote. And like, this is ultimately going to change the fabric of electoral politics in our country. I do think there's a little bit of

a disconnect from a lot of people and like myself including at times included at times as i've like learned about these issues i think there is like a sense of well how bad can it be like we all vote right and yeah even independent of the suppression and the like you know rigging and changing that's happening at the local level there's also the current the democrats who are currently in power seem like they think uh well just that we'll get people to vote more now because they will recognize how bad it can get uh as as a strategy and i don't which is so fucked up it's like no they want to recognize that you can help them they want to recognize that when you're in power and when you have all branches of the government there can be actual actions that impact someone's

life instead of learning that like the senate parliamentarian is a thing like we've never heard that ever but now we can't get minimum wage. Sorry. Like, that is not a winning strategy for Democrats. They actually have to do something to show people that when they're in power, their lives are improved. And it's just like shocking how little they've been able to achieve. And like, yeah, yeah, sorry, I won't get too much into it. I could really go on. That's all we talked about here. It's a habit that both parties are unable to break. Right. They're addicted to it. The line really does end with, is this going to help people? Well, then we fucking can't do that. Right. I think the difference being is that

you see all those memes and the version of what Republicans say, what Democrats say. The Democrats are saying the same thing except better fonts and emojis around it while though the substance of it is the exact same and yeah i i it is disheartening in that sense and i think that's the sort of reality too that i think that it just can't be uttered on tv uh because it's like it's too real to say i'm like MSNBC. Well, to be honest, the will to really get things done is about around the same

because when it comes to really fighting for things that are going to help people, the will is just not there. And there are transformational things that were being proposed, but we're already seeing them get diminished and diminished and diminished. And yes, they are still meaningful also because the bar is so low. And I think we really have to, you know, it's hard to, I think, see you think, well, what's nothing's happened. So what good is it doing? And then you see how Democrats want to motivate the base. And it's like, I don't know, man, if you guys don't vote, it's going to get bad. Well, you're you're there, though, to do that for us. Where's that?

Where's the fuck is that? What are y'all doing? The just vote, like tweeting just vote whenever something bad happens it's just not a winning strategy anymore when you guys have power and we did vote and this is what's happening so like you need to change your tune we voted yeah try to act on it like bring it yeah i think bring it home yeah i think it's gonna go real bad the midterms and 2024 i think it's going to go real bad. The midterms and 2024, I think it's going to go real fucking bad. Midterm will probably be slam age, and then they'll panic and then figure it out. Maybe just in the nick of time, but I also see it happening.

They double down on the nonsense. You're like, oh, okay. Well, now they'll see. Now they'll be scared by the fact that we lost the midterms, and then they'll really come out. It's like, oh, the Republicans are now controlling the House and they stripped everyone of committee assignments. So now what? Right. Yeah.

I feel like that's not the thing that's going to spur everyone to action. They might think it is. Yeah. I feel like there's a disrespect of like the people of like, well, like Democrats can't do anything because like Sinema and Manchin. So like, sorry, like we just need to vote for more Democrats. Whereas like, there's this, I,

I don't know. I mean, not everyone in the country is politically informed, but I do think a lot of people understand that actually the Democrats could do so much more and are not. And they continue to like, just bank on the like ignorance of the people in a way that like, I find is like really disgusting. Like, like a lot of the rhetoric around like the, like i find is like really disgusting like especially like a lot of

the rhetoric around like the like roe v wade also like was disturbing to me for that reason where it's like when you guys like there there were opportunities to actually like codify this into law that we just like wasn't a priority because abortion rights are how are like a really important political issue for democrats so i do think there's like a few like gross rhetorical ways that the democrats are operating right now and they're at reality is like things are fucking dire like trump's gonna win in 2024 like we just need to like shut up and like not like pull republican moves like with like supreme court or like do something that is actually going to change the way that people view the the possibilities of what can happen when a Democrat's in power. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about that hockey fundraiser.

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And we're back. And Mehmet Oz, as we talked about, he's running for Senate in Pennsylvania because his in-laws live there. And I guess it's a pretty crowded field. And so it's a challenge, but he feels he's up to it. Yeah. And he but he's pissed because the Philadelphia Inquirer has started referring to him as Mr. Oz. Mm hmm. And he's like, put some respect on my name.

Put some respect on my fucking title. And yeah, he came out swinging. I don't know why. With this like walk and talk video. That's like, again, I don't know why uh with this like walk and talk video that's like again i don't know why he thought this needed production value because again this is somebody who's directed videos you should have your subject begin walking before you roll the camera so it's not that awkward and i'm walking sort of movement but anyway that's fine now that's it okay yeah that's a free tip from me uh but here's him complaining about how he's been OMG cancelled.

Last week, the Philadelphia Inquirer had me on their front page as Dr. Oz. This morning, they just announced no more doctor. Even though I'm a practicing physician, I've taken care of patients, I've done thousands of heart surgeries. They don't want to call me doctor anymore. I won't be cancelled. Oh my god. Hell yeah. I won't be canceled. Oh, my God. Hell yeah. I won't be canceled.

That video fucking rules, man. So dumb. I love the little tilt shift depth of field. It felt very cinematic. But again, just from, you know, just a quick direction note, you could have trimmed the top down. Right. Because doing it like that, it's like, and he's in a parking lot. I feel like he's going to tell me about the deals on cars they have.

Yeah, exactly. Crazy, crazy Oz's, come on down. Right, he like throws the newspaper out of frame. Someone hands him an umbrella from off camera. He puts it on, like, because it's raining deals. And like water comes down. But that's not the only thing. It's like that Dollar Shave Club commercial.

So, you know he released this video he's complaining about being canceled but the thing is the philadelphia inquired they made a conscious decision not to be like let's fuck with dr oz that they didn't want to use like these titles when reporting on candidates like they just don't want to have these honorifics to you know just to kind of a level playing field. So people might not be swayed by this title. So they said, quote, do not use doctor on first reference for anyone with the title, whether they are a medical doctor or have a doctorate in a non-medical field to avoid complaints of unequal treatment from individuals who worked hard to achieve doctorates in non-medical

fields, because sometimes they'll only give doctor to like an MD. Right. And it's like, you know what? We don't need it. fields because sometimes they'll only give doctor to like an md right and they're saying like you know what we don't need it all they're saying is we don't want to just have it seem like you know there's any kind of our thumbs are on the scale in any possible way they said the only exceptions that they have are for obituaries and dr martin luther king jr so shout out to the lobby inquire inquire for that but yeah i mean i think it's just clear that, you know, Oz, Dr. Oz is like this TV character. And this whole campaign is about it's about brand awareness.

He knows that he's not going to win because he has any kind of mind for legislation. He's there because in the culture wars, he's emerged as a willing, you know, embracer of bullshit pseudoscience to normalize it on tv and so for him not being able to like the thing with donald trump is donald trump was his brand name you know right memet oz is not dr oz's brand name dr oz is his fucking brand so i think that's why he's just out here being like i don't what they're canceling me because that's my brand it's dr oz erasure they're erasing him if i understand correctly it's their style guide so it's not just for political candidates it's like across the board yeah and i used to work in magazines that had style guides and things and so

it is an interesting debate because generally you you always defer to the style guide except, you know, communication to the readers is more, it is more important than the letter and the law of the style guide. So in a situation like this, and I'm not going to come out on his side because that would make me barf, but in a situation like this, where people do know him, like you're saying that's his brand as Dr. Oz, do you make an exception? I say, I don't, I don't think so. Because in this context, right, you're trying to treat people as political candidates who are like people running for office. And you want to give people like you want to say, Oh, this is Conor Lamb, who is right, who's also running. Here's John Fetterman, who's also running. And there you'll typically give a description.

Mehmet Oz, who is out practicing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, you know, if you're writing it up, you're not going to avoid mentioning, you know, what qualifications they may have or what they do for work as it relates to their candidacy. Right. And if it was like Lil' Kim running, they're not going to be referring to her in the paper as Lil' Kim. No. They're going to call her. They're going to call her Queen B, I believe. Put the hex on the whole family.

Dressed in all black like the omen, as her verse in All About the Benjamins goes. But yeah, I think this is one of those moments where, again, it's the brand awareness. And it's funny, too, because there is another medical doctor running in this same race, Dr. Val Arkush. And, you know, she said, I have no problem with this. That's fine. I'm really here to talk about these ideas I have as potentially a senator and not to say, like, because I'm a doctor, vote for me. And, you know, she's also not out here saying things because she's an actual obstetric anesthesiologist, like your vagina is a self-cleaning oven. So, you know, Dr. Val Arcoosh might have a

little more sense than Dr. Oz here. Yeah, this is also like, so basically, it's not that they created this rule after Dr. Oz, like, became a candidate. They wrote an article in which the front page headline and photo caption and first sentence all referred to Dr. Oz as Dr. Oz. And then they came out more like, actually, we realize that does not fit with our style guide. And like they were basically doing reacting to the reality you were talking about, Miles, that this is a brand Dr. Oz. And like so that is how he exists in most people's brains as Dr. Oz. But like that is doesn't stick to it doesn't fit within the rules of their of their style. So they didn't make a change, which is what I assumed at first.

It's just they said there was a mistake to run it as Dr. Office the first time. Right. But the idea that we want to elect that TV personality into office, as opposed to we want to elect this person of substance who happens to have a show, the former terrifies me. Yeah. It's what we've already done, and it didn't go well. And apparently we're doing it again in 2024.

Yeah, yeah. We'll see. All right. Well, let's talk about Mr. Big. Not Dr. Big, but it is officially his name, Mr. Big. So this is going to be technically a spoiler for the Sex and the City reboot and just like that. So if you haven't seen that and for some reason are like really holding out hope to be caught off guard by the twists and turns and there is a big twist in the in the first episode then maybe stop listening here. Okay so in the first episode we open with

Carrie being married to Mr. Big played by Chris Knopf and then at the end of the first episode, we open with Carrie being married to Mr. Big, played by Chris Knopf. And then at the end of the first episode, Big dies of a heart attack after exercising on his Peloton bike. He's discovered by Carrie, who, despite the fact that he's clearly still alive when she finds him, doesn't call an ambulance or anything for several minutes until her voiceover reveals that he died. It's a very strange, prolonged scene, like kind of on the level of that. Like it reminded me of the Lonely Island sketch with the, where they keep shooting people in the music place.

Oh, the OC what you say? Yeah, the OC what you say thing, because it's just like, wait, so he's, like he's still alive, but he's holding his arm. Criminal charges should be brought against Carrie. On the bathroom floor, right? He's in the bathroom.

He's outside the shower. But he still sees her, eyes focus on her, but he looks a little vacant. But definitely the move is to immediately call 911 as you're trying to but instead she like jumps into the shower and then like starts hugging him and i mean you know people react when experiencing grief and shock in different ways but then i think at one point she starts like trying to perform mouth to mouth on him which seems weird because he's still alive but anyways wait really i don't know were there like kissing but it was like a weird like

i do not recall her doing any sort of resuscitation it was just a real like and then you see her special shoes that she'd worn that day which she apparently wore when they got married they get all wet but it just seemed like a like now i'm just going to hold you and it's inevitable that you're going to die. When in real life, probably in real life, there's there was probably time to do something. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's a terrible reaction is someone's having a medical emergency.

And yes, console somebody. But my first thing is like, I don't know what the fuck to do. Yeah. Yeah. Right. She didn't go like, oh, my God, what? What the fuck is happening? Oh, my God.

You know, she was just a heart attack. Hold on. Nine one one. I can also hold someone and be on the phone. OK, Gary. Yeah. Fuck. It's yeah.

It's probably just that writing, which I would say the this reboot thus far suffers from a great deal of. Yeah. But they. Yeah. So Peloton. the this reboot thus far suffers from a great deal of yeah but they um yeah so peloton the the news story this became a news story because there hasn't been in recent memory a example of product placement that so directly kills one of the characters like through its use as advertised, basically. Right. The idea that you're democratizing spin classes and putting it in 50-something guys' homes so they can do the workout in the privacy of their own home,

that is basically the pitch of Peloton, right? And that is also the exact thing that kills this guy, is that he probably shouldn't be exercising as hard as he was. He probably shouldn't be exercising without somebody present. Well, it's also super weird, though, because in the show and in the culture around the show, it is understood that this Peloton ride is what did him in i guess however i feel like that doesn't have to be the truth because someone who has a bad heart like maybe he was going to go at that time no matter what he did so i'm it's weird that in the show that's what they have seemed to the conclusion they seem to have reached yeah the second episode

someone's like that fucking bike yeah it's it episode, someone's like, that fucking bike. Yeah. It's Steve. And he says, that fucking bike. Right. That fucking bike. That fucking bike. All right.

Hey, Miranda. I fucking hate that guy. But I don't think it's clear that that is what did it. I don't think so. Right. But isn't that like why Peloton had to act as if there's a whole forensic analysis? Where they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck? Right. But isn't that like why Peloton like had to like act as if there's a whole forensic analysis or they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck? Right. Why are you trying to put that on the bike? They're like, he could have died fucking Carrie, you know, and you're going to put this on the Peloton.

Right. Look at his lifestyle and he smokes and eats steaks. And maybe he has a history of it in his fictional family. has a history of it in his fictional family. Yeah. So they're just, our writer, JM looked up some other examples of like bad product placement that backfired on these massive corporations. So we don't really need to feel bad for them,

but Coke wasn't thrilled that they're, they had a commercial that appeared in natural born killers, which is this very like postmodern cutting back and forth between like different types of media. And Coke had one of their commercials intercut with footage of headless, bloody bodies in Natural Born Killers, which is decidedly against the Coke brand manifesto as far as I can tell. That's not in their style guide? Yeah, it's not in their style guide.

They like head full bodies. Yeah. Right. Exactly. There can be blood. Yeah. But's not in their style guide. They're like head full bodies. Yeah. Right, exactly. There can be blood. Yeah. But the heads have to be attached. Right. Reebok invested $1.5 million in Jerry Maguire

only to have the one reference to Reebok in the movie be Cuba Gooding Jr. shouting, fuck Reebok. I think this one comes the closest, maybe, to being... Like the Peloton one to being like the Peloton one, being like the Peloton one, because like they got it in the movie and then they made fun of the one thing that is like the bad part of Reebok,

that it's like the lesser of the shoe brands. It's not who you would want to be sponsored by. You would want to be sponsored by Nike. And so, and that is, I think the context in which Cuba Getting Junior Shouts Fuck Reebok. So that seems like it's close to what we're talking about. Mad Men also always routinely use real companies. But then there was the Jaguar incident when they get the Jaguar account. our account it's run by a really creepy piece of shit who would only give don draper his business if the company forced one of the characters to have sex with him and then like as it that one also feels like like the peloton thing struck me as like okay maybe the head writer of this sex in

the city reboot like has a personal beef with uh peloton like had a bad experience with peloton and has a vendetta the jaguar madman example is also feels like that because not only is like the head of jag jaguar a piece of shit but then like the guy who brings in the business ends up killing himself and he tries to do it by like putting a hose from the tailpipe of the Jaguar into his front driver's side window. But the car like fails. So that's the only thing that stops them from doing that. That's pretty clever. Compounding the embarrassment.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But anyways, Peloton, in addition to having one of their medical advisors issue a note, like talking about how big is a, you know, unhealthy piece of shit. And it wasn't there. It's not our bike. He fucking he's an unhealthy fat guy. Then also they partnered with Ryan Reynolds for some reason. He's not in the ad, but I think because of the Peloton wife ad that he countered. Right. In 2018. So they partnered with him to whip up a tongue in cheek commercial featuring Chris Knoth and Jess King, the Peloton instructor from the show.

And they're basically like in a on a couch together and like saying, oh, let's go for a ride soon on the peloton and like it's supposed to be like uh these they're actually having fun it ends up feeling like they're in like a creepy like purgatory afterlife and yeah in which you have to like ride a peloton your entire within moments yeah to avoid going to hell. I like, you know, Anna in the chat right now is saying she suspects that there's, this was a setup. That they knew what they were doing the whole time. That they were maybe in cahoots. Yeah. Part of me thinks.

Oh, that's interesting. That's a little difficult given how in the toilet, like Peloton is at the moment. They're like, yeah, that'll be cool. And then it'll maybe mess up the brand identity a little bit more. It is interesting, not to be too cynical about it, but before I even heard actual reviews of the reboot when it aired, I saw all,

like I knew someone's going to die because of a Peloton. I didn't think it was going to be big. For some reason, I assumed it was the Peloton teacher. I was confused, but I was seeing all these articles about the relationship, you know, about that shocking Peloton death. So clearly there was some kind of PR campaign. Like, I don't think that that was organic. Right. I think what happened.

Maybe Anna's right. For sure, they knew about it before we did. Right. Peloton knew about it before we did. They got probably either had it screened for them or it leaked out. And, you know, they have like corporations have intelligence agencies working for them just the same as governments. So I'm sure they were all over it. I doubt that they encouraged them to do this because, A, brands are not that smart. They're not that kind of smart, right? They always play shit safe. But also, they have been killing people recently, and it's been a huge hit to their share prices. Pelotons have? Pelotons have been killing. Yeah. So they had a treadmill that killed a child, and there was a call to issue a recall on their treadmills, and they pumped the brakes on that.

treadmills and they you know pumped the brakes on that they they wanted to uh examine whether that was the right thing to do based on how not profitable it was do you know what happened with the child yeah no no i don't know i i think it involved like them getting stuck underneath or something it's really horrifying treadmills in general are fucking dangerous exercise is terrible you guys yeah but exactly it's the devil right i yeah too risky satanic panic so i i would say don't hate peloton for like killing a fictional character hate them for fighting a recall for a product they knew led to the death of a child and also their stock is like so a lot of people were reporting that the stock was down 11 based on this storyline the stock has been down like overall like across the you know yeah i didn't know that because i had heard that it went down in relation to this show so i was like wow that actually not that i have you know not that my

heart bleeds for peloton but like that does suck for them if this caused that. But no, this didn't cause that. It's that and they just they they over forecasted what they thought, you know, how many more signups they'd have in 2021 without realizing like what reopening would do for people's exercise habits. Yeah. But I'm just surprised they didn't like really put the knife in and carrie's like getting really specific to like slam peloton it's like oh my god big why did you take a power zones class with alex toussaint you know it's too hard for you and like looking directing the camera what's the deal with those but who knows it was a real peloton instructor who played yeah the instructor in the show though they changed they

changed the name but right did get the actual instructor to allegra everyone's favorite antihistamine they're always like hey hey what happened when you shot with a sex in the city what went down did anything how was it with peloton yeah like that's another example of like how they probably like figured out oh yeah nothing nothing it was really fun. Oh, really? Definitely didn't kill anyone. The guy died. I'm sorry, Mr. Peloton. But I mean, this goes directly towards what is a risk with Peloton, which is you see him doing the workout, and he's being coached slash yelled at by an instructor who's hundreds of miles away from him

and but like is telling him to like, you know, really step it up. And it's like, he's a 60 year old guy and like, who probably thinks she's attractive. I mean, they make jokes about how he thinks she's attractive throughout the show. So it's like, I don't know, it feels like that's not a great, like set up for people not to die of heart attacks. Like, that's what I'm curious about is, like, how many people are dying of heart attacks. You could levy that against any exercise video service, you know? Like, if you're doing P90X or, you know, like, stuff like that in the past. Like, at a certain point, you have to know yourself.

And if you are at risk. But she sees me, Miles. She sees me. I think she likes me. To play devil's advocate with P90X or, you know, what is Tybo? Is that what it was called? Billy Blank's Tybo. Yeah, I used to have that.

You know that you're watching something taped. Whereas with Peloton, there is the illusion that it is two ways. And that it's unique you know the direction is like unique to you and this is his thousandth ride and he's excited that he's going to get a shout out from the instructor who he has a crush on so they're really

just like kind of honing on the one kind of shit on it but I'm like in my mind like that doesn't seem logical you know like yeah it'd be like no man these pal they'll fucking kill you because they try and get you to do more than you can. Do you have a Peloton, Miles? Why is that relevant?

That's a good question. Because I love Alex Toussaint's Power Zones class. I've noticed people who do Peloton immediately become converts to it and are like, it's actually pretty great. Like I kind of love it. And so I'm just curious. Yeah. I'm not going to do an ad for them right now based on what we've been talking about, but there's, there are definitely parts of it where I'm surprised for me as such little motivation to exercise that something got my stinking ass to do something more than like for a week straight.

Yeah. This is what they say. This is what they say. That's what they say. That's how they get you. Next thing you know, y'all going to be talking about my death on this thing. So you do have one.

No comment. If I were to have one, I'd hope Peloton would understand what the values of my brand ambassadorship in a particularly tumultuous time at the moment. I'd be willing to shill for the bike. If you did have one, how many times would you find yourself using it? Like on a weekly basis, how frequently? Four times a week. What?

Four times a week. Four. Wow. Damn. Okay. If I did. Yeah. If I did it,. Damn. Okay. If I did. Yeah. If,

if I did it, which I, if I did it by OJ Simpson, it's about me owning a Peloton. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like, and review the show.

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