The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 216 (Best of 3/7/22-3/11/22)

Episode Date: March 13, 2022

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So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Please welcome today's guest, the brilliant, talented, and somebody I've known for ages now. It's wild to see us reconnect here on a podcast, but please welcome Greg Edwards! Yo, yo, hey, thank you, man. That's hella sweet, man. Nah, man. Hella sweet. Congratulations on your wedding. Thank you. Yes, you're Congratulations on your wedding. Thank you. Beautiful.

I mean, which is wild because I met my wife on YouTube nation. When we first met. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She was one of the producers on there. So this was like,

look, look at us come off. Look, look, I got one. I've been married. It'll be a year in April. Okay.

I got one tip. People always say, don't go to bed got one tip. Uh, people always say, uh, don't go to bed. What's that tip? People always say, don't go to bed angry, but that's bullshit.

You're going to go to bed angry. That's just going to happen. Don't even sweat. That's it. Uh, the real tip is bring food home all the time. Yeah. Always bring,

I don't care. Bring a pizza, bring some Thai food. If you coming home and your wife is at the crib bring some food home dog that's it always I I'm always like whenever the thing I do is always like find uh like she she likes chocolate so I always try and buy like chocolates when I'm out if I see some like interesting candy bar I'm like let me get that let me bring that home real quick that's how you know the love is still there when you think about something like that i just want you to have this like you deserve this you deserve this and and please don't mind the fact that the new

gran turismo game just came out and my ps5 is calling my name that's not why i bought this i'm just saying please keep this in mind when i vanish for hours at a time screaming because my toyota yaris isn't performing the way I need it to in the corners. She's so happy to have quiet time. She's like, it's so cool. Yeah, for real. You go, be quiet. Go with that.

Go with that, boy. Go. I mean, I don't know. Do you get this, Greg? Like, I don't know how on you are, but I have, like, you know, as a comedian, sometimes I get in the mood and I can't stop being, like, silly. And there are times where she's like, Hey, can you just shut the fuck up for a second? And I'm like, but this shit is funny to me.

My wife is always like, shut up. I think it's cute that y'all think that's because you're comedians. Hilarious. I'm an immature boy who still likes to just talk nonsense nonstop. It's really what it is. I think the difference is some people leverage that into somewhat of a career and don't. And then you use the excuse, I'm in comedy, rather than I don't know when to shut up. I get paid to do this, girl.

Yeah. You like that steak? Why are you telling me to shut up? It's a practice. Oh, man. Okay. yeah you like that steak why are you telling me this practice oh man okay well see this is why joel is here to keep us grounded and also keep us realizing we ain't shit true story true indeed what is something from your search history oh my search history oh my god let me see the last thing that i searched i guess it was looney Tunes characters. So I can make those puns. I thought you loved Looney Tunes.

You're Googling Looney Tunes characters. The last thing I searched was why are, why are there Oscars? And I don't remember if I meant like still or ever. Right. Like why the award ceremony happened. Yeah. But it's just mostly because I,

it feels like we're in a post-awards show world. Yes. Totally. I used to look forward to the Oscars. I would love to win one if they're giving them out like Wordle scores, but at this point, I don't. It's this month.

It's next month. It already happened. I don't know.'s this month. It's next month. It already happened. I don't know. I think the peak Oscars for me, not even that I was so excited, but the last thing I participated in was wearing a tuxedo to watch the Oscars just as a goof at someone's house. That was the year that Moonlight won. You showed up at their house for a casual viewing party and a Tuxedo. Yeah. No, no, no.

They were asking everybody to dress up nice. And I was like, oh. I thought it was like that. I was like, I'll go there. I'll dress up like the Babadook to go to that normal Halloween party. That was really funny too. That was great. Yeah.

But yeah, like, and then after that, I honestly, even then I was like, see, I don't even know why I'm here. And now you like, to your point, I don't really understand what it means to even give an award out anymore i just something happened you know i'm sure it's probably the only bad thing that's happened from the pandemic would be this fallout about award shows but it's it is i don't know i just i used to really i was like i'll guess them all and i'll see all the movies and i think i was looking looking it up to see, like, is there a movie I should watch? But I don't know if it's because I'm not going to theaters, maybe movie pass. Maybe I don't know what's going on. It just doesn't feel like, I don't know, maybe I learned too much about celebrities' personal lives, like, through the pandemic.

And now I'm like, oh, well, I don't, you know, I don't care. And now I'm just sort of, I don't know. Yeah. Maybe this month. Yeah, they just sort of, I don't know. Yeah. This month. Yeah, they're coming up, I think. And maybe I probably won't watch, but I'll look up and see what won and be excited if it's actors or directors I like. But other than that, I'm not sure. It feels like, it used to feel like we're in Los Angeles.

It used to feel like there's this weight to them that I guess people just feel a little bit less. Maybe I'm seeing less people. I don't know. Nah, I think it's just in general, like this has always been an issue with awards is like when they really start departing from like what people are enjoying and what they enjoy about something they don't like align with.

They're like, Oh yeah, that makes sense. I would want that award because these people are also thinking the same way. Now people are like, what got nominated? What didn't get numb? What, who the fuck are these people are also thinking the same way now people like what got nominated what didn't get numb what who the fuck are these people voting and that i think that energy has just sort

of completely made it you know i could definitely see that that factoring into how i feel about it all where you know just can are you throwing a popular movie a bone to keep us on for a little while or are you not acknowledging that movies people like are real if it's not just about like sometimes i see a movie trailer now and i watch it i'm like that looks like one you know what i mean like i had all the parts of oh the guy oh man i bet the situation with his parents influenced his life yeah right oh all right there's another one of those but i think you're onto something with that miles i think it might have something to do with feeling like a disconnect between what gets nominated for awards and what people consume. And I think that's the hard part is how do you even what group could actually embody that where you're like, you know who gives out the awards that make sense?

This group of people over here. And I don't even think like at that point is there even right any weight if you look back through years of what one best picture it is rarely the movie you ever think about from that year anymore hereditary is like the example i can think of where it is but other than that it you really have to be like what are you looking at good is that the movie that that remains in people's zeitgeist in their brain oh yeah shakespeare in love very rarely yeah is everyone going back and re-watching shakespeare in love or do you re-watch saving private ryan like is it what movies and it sometimes they age even faster than that like crash 20 minutes afterwards like green book 10 minutes afterwards

i don't even know that was couldn't have been real green book looks like a tropic thunder trailer to me and you're saying hereditary should have won or it was great yeah that was one at least that was like the last time we were like that's the lasting movie from then right don't mess it up yeah we've won here they tried to not give it to the lasting movie and the people who won it were like we didn't actually win the good one did. They're trying so hard. Yeah. I like La La Land. I shouldn't say that. We do a thing every year when the nominees are announced where we talk about, like, that it should be a five-year delay on the nominees.

So that, like, you... Right. It's like the Hall of Fame for sports. Yeah, exactly. You get to see what's stuck around. Oh, that's funny but i personally you know i'm i just think hollywood's brightest stars need a night to come out and shine that's always been my stance so it's yeah it's a continue to be for sure what's something you think is overrated for me honestly good segue i think that tiktok recipes

are these instagram chefs like these like 15 second like hey how to make 10 meals in one minute where you're like get a get a sheet pan and then put dry noodles on it and then put cubes of cheese and then put a pile of meat and then put a pile of this and then put it in the oven and then it looks gross but stir it all together and it's a dip like no bro uh-uh like i don't i don't that's not right you you gotta you gotta boil them noodles dog like i just i'm over this like tiktok chefing there's such a trend on it and it's so hilarious and everyone has like a little catchphrase there's this dude from new york that literally just fries everything and it's always like you gotta put paprika you gotta put onion powder you gotta put garlic powder.

You got to put your Lowry's. And then, you know, you just dip it in the sauce, you know? And then he always ends up with, and I got that Bev. Don't play with me. You know, I got that Bev. And then he shows you like a, like a jar of like fucking ocean spray cranberry juice. You're like, that's not an exclusive Bev, my guy. You took a trip to the bodega.

Like who cares? All right. You made fried shrimp and you have some cranberry juice. Are you seven? What is happening? Last time I checked in with the social media, like, chefs and recipes where you, like, actually watch the video. Like, we found out that the thing that everybody was passing around was, like, a fetish video. Like, those people who are, like, making lasagna on the countertop. Oh, yeah. Like, that was just a weird fetish video like those people who are like making lasagna on the countertop

oh yeah like that's like that was just a weird fetish video that you know everybody was like i can't believe you know these people are so bad at cooking and it was like now they're people are jerking off to this yeah well and there's also like these weird trends that are coming over from that like the food jerk-off world like there's a whole genre of like very cute sort of like homely girl next door cooks on instagram and tiktok and they all leaning over super close to the camera like in the worst kitchen position you could possibly do to chop vegetables but it's about a very specific angle like that chick who made the like salmon with the like seaweed and the rice in the microwave that people lost their fucking minds about

like she does this same movement where it's like i'm gonna over seaweed and the rice in the microwave that people lost their fucking minds about. Like she does this same movement where it's like, I'm going to over lean and get really close to the camera and like ASMR, the way I'm cutting stuff. And I'm just like, Oh my God, what is this? It's like,

you're, you're making leftovers, bitch. Like, why is this a whole event? Like what is happening? Bring back Julia Childs. Okay. I want my chef six feet tall and crying when they eat bread this is my ideal

i just i just want people to know how to actually cook that's my whole thing is like i learned how to cook from the women in my family and from my dad and like i just feel like it's such like a sacred thing right like it's so awesome to learn how to cook from your parents and i think that you should cook for yourself and then that way you cook for your family, be it your kids or your loved ones or whatever. Like, it's just, it's such a human thing to prepare a meal. And I don't like seeing it sort of convenient sized and I don't like seeing it fetishized and I don't like seeing it just sort of like, these girls are like, oh, I don't know how to cook. So like, I'm going to microwave this and then show you this paper plate and be like, ooh, she's a wifey now. It's like, no, bitch. You're going to lose the entirety of your man with that plate. That's not going to happen. Just learn how to cook.

Just learn how to cook. What is something you think is underrated? You know, like dancing around your house. Recently, I'm real slow, I i know but i just got on tiktok and it's giving me an excuse to like dance around in my house when the baby's asleep and i was like oh man not only do i have like excellent dance moves that i forgot about yeah i like i broke a sweat and i'm breathing heavily like it's like a mini little workout so if it's like raining or whatever you want to go to the gym and get spit on by somebody got covid like just you know just bust out a couple moves put it on put it on the reel are you hitting challenges or are you just oh no no i just

danced to random shit that like okay i was just i was like when you said tiktok i'm like oh you're you're there now with oh no not like that not to disparage that that's cool and fine because now i'm on tiktok who am i to judge but no i just like put on my favorite jam maybe some tango the bangers or whatever and like okay i'll just relax a little bit yeah what's uh i mean i oh man there's this one there's like one flying lotus song that i remember i started vacuuming to and then i turned into some like weird hood fred astaire thing with a vacuum and then like do that to you yeah i mean and there's just like certain things i'm like starting to do the robot and shit i don't even i can't even really do the fucking robot but like this music is informing my body how to move those are those are very underrated uh moments of

inspiration for sure and then dancing when the kid gets when the kids get a little older that's oh yeah he's gonna be sick with it oh yeah just wreck i feel like that's one of the life extenders or like the things that keep your brain young type things that you hear about that i actually believe in is dance like dancing they say because it like it promotes the elasticity and thinking in the moment. You can't dance if you're not in the actual moment. But I feel like people

tend to just immediately need your, say, yoga, meditation, but dancing puts you in the moment, too. Take a little five-minute break, three-minute break. Go dance. What's, Jack, What's something that gets you with some honey in your hips?

Gets your big toes shooting up in your boot. It's really situational. It can be anything. That's a cop-out. Come on now. Give us the deets. He doesn't want us to know his kryptonite. You're going to open the show with his secret

weakness and then he's just going to be jiggling you're gonna open the show with like his secret like weakness and then he's just gonna be up jiggling around instead of recording the show i do a lot of car dancing so it's really whatever whatever i'm listening to a lot in the car but like my kids love dancing to the beatles which is like that's not a that's not really danceable music oh is that what you're saying kids i'm like this ain't dancing music. And I don't let them. I don't let them. They're going to grow up like, hey, why don't you ever come to prom? It's like, well, my dad yelled at me for dancing to the beat. We basically have two playlists. One is like music I like that, you know, I just pick up independently wherever around the world from TV shows. And

then one is like, oh, I bet they would like this song that like pops into my head. So like, that's all we listen to basically at all times. But yeah, I'm taking with them, I'm taking the approach of, uh, I think it'll make them better dancers if I take the parenting approach of the preacher from Footloose. And I just say that they're not allowed to dance anywhere that it breeds sin. And then I catch them dancing and throwing dance parties in the middle of the night. But you have copies of break-in all over the house that they can watch. Turbo's got moves.

Like, what did I say about invoking Turbo's name in this house? We do not speak of Boogaloo shrimp here. Yeah. How about you, Miles? What's your visit? Oh, my God. Fucking anything. That honestly depends on it.

It could be honestly fucking anything. Anything? Except for, like, classical. I mean, something obviously with, like, a proper, like, backbeat to it. But the last thing that I think, oh, it was probably, there's just this one. Oh oh you know what it was i think it was mc squared by jay dilla in common i was just listening to that song the other day because there's just the drums are so your neck will snap in two but then i just start getting like i can't can't control myself oh god i got one from from your music recommendations, Nouveau Western.

I think that was you. Oh, yeah, by MC Solar. That's heavy rotation with both my playlist and my kids' playlist. Yeah, we were getting down to that. That's got to get to Serge Gainsbourg. Yeah. Mariah, what do you dance to? What gets you going?

So, yeah, Tank of the Bangers. I'll put on some Gold Link. He has a new album out in December. I don't remember what it's called. But it your what gets you going so yeah tank of the bangers i'll put on some gold link he has a new album out in december i don't remember what's called but it's great it was so good um yeah i like to i love putting on weird stuff to dance to to like just stretch the boundaries of what you can do hip-hop dance moves to so the other night i was dancing to um big rock candy mountain by harry mcclinton from the Oh Brother Where Are They soundtrack, right? So I was like, let me see if I can get down to this. Let's put it on to see if I can like

pop and lock to this, you know, little hobo song. It's fun to mix it up. That song makes so much sense to me when I'm incredibly hungry. I'm just like, yeah. It's like a love song to candy. Yeah. Just like rock candy. Yeah. What a time.

What a time. The Depression must have been. It's just dancing to Big Rock Candy Mountain. Big Rock Candy Mountain. That song, that's a funny, you know what's weird, though, is I've only seen Oh Brother like maybe once, but I will not forget that song. You can never forget that song.

I won't forget that song because I was like, damn. Classic. Big Rock Candy Mountain. but I will not forget that that song you can probably forget that song because I was like damn classic big rock yeah that movie was just them streaming out a really good soundtrack they're just like we'll put some images with this but yeah what uh as a as a musician do you have a strategy for is it's a little early right for your baby but what do you have a strategy for like what you're gonna expose him to and i was actually wondering to ask y'all about that because like we listen to a lot of hip-hop around the house and we've been like wondering to ourselves at what time we need to like find

kid-friendly hip-hop when he's gonna start picking up on words you know because he's like we'll put on something like rtj or whatever and but like at some point he might be like fuck you know learning the lingo so I don't know I don't really know what the strategy is going to be when we get there because I'm not wanting to like censor much but I don't want him going to school and be like

I'll piss on your shoes in public like quoting Killer Mike and then get spent like they do in the future you're like whoa oh no yeah it's tricky because they only put out the clean versions of the big hits yeah usually so right yeah right i mean i think the my the thing my dad did would be like well if i want to be able to dance to stuff and it's not some like soft ass kids shit you've played a lot of like afro beat like fel Felicuti and stuff. Oh, yeah. So like, I don't know.

Like, I'm not understanding the lyrics, but the music's like super high energy. And like, you know, those are like fucking eight minute songs. So it's like, you know, that's a good point. Burn this kid out. Good rec. Yeah. Also, I just thought about, okay, instrumentals to put the instrumental on. And I can like, if I like a song that like is my song, like, you know, like, I know the words a little bit. I can throw things in, take things out, you know like i know the words a little bit i can throw things in take

things out you know so that might be the move it's like yo it's like you should hear my mom they did the verse on there's like it's called control uh some people think kendrick lamar did it nah i remember growing up the beat would be on my mom would just spit that shit yo that's so funny because when i was growing up you know that song Peaches by the President of the United States of America? I thought that my older brothers had made that song up. Until I got older and saw the music video on MTV and I was furious. I was like, Aaron, Sean, they stole your song. So I can totally imagine the scenario.

He grows up and he sees Kendrick Lamar in the Super bowl and it's like wait is that not is that not is that not your song wait but my mom always used to say we gonna be all right that's that's not her it's like a family saying like you know oral tradition man i would actually that would be i think that's what i would do to my kid i would just play instrumentals and i would split everything from the first clips album, hell, uh, Lord willing.

And they would think they're like, I think my dad is pusher T and mallet. It's amazing. Yeah. Such a multifaceted rappers is talking to me as if make an eye contact. Yeah. We in the same boat. I tell them quick.

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And then Greg just goes, an oatmeal too, man. Wait, we're not even recording. And then Greg just goes, and oatmeal too, man. Wait, we're not even recording. He really had to get that one in there. I'll let you get it in. I've never seen my father eat anything else except for he eats oatmeal. Occasionally, he'll have a turkey sausage patty on the side. That's his breakfast. If we go out and oatmeal is not an option, he's not eating breakfast.

He's like, this is not a restaurant. Oatmeal is the shit, man. Oatmeal is so good. Keep your cholesterol low. It's good, man. How do you eat it? You just eat it plain? What do you do to zhuzh it up? I mean, I put a little sugar in mine. That's it.

Is it brown sugar or just light sugar? Straight up Caucasian sugar. He's like, straight up Splenda. He's like, yo. I love brown sugar. You know, but I'm like, brown sugar, like black women sometimes are just like, oh, girl, you too

fine. I gotta put some of this. It's too much. It's too much going on, girl. I gotta scale back and go back. Jesus. Let me get Tony Braxton out of here. I gotta put some of this white sugar up here. God.

You're too much. Too much brown sugar. Anyway, shout out to all the oatmeal people out there. That's definitely my dad included also. Man, what is it about oatmeal? It's easy too. It's just hot water and oats and some sugar.

That's it. You ever put milk in it just to give yourself a little bit of a luxury meal? A little bit. You know, I put some oat milk in there. Keep it oat, you know. Wow. Keep it oat. Okay, OG.

Yeah. Okay. I like it just straight up hot water and sugar. Yeah. All right. Well, shout out to the uh national association of oatmeal makers uh for sponsoring that segment but now let's move on to the anti-war efforts of adult performers so russia has restricted news from the outside at a pretty aggressive rate

you know they're part like they're doing everything they can to keep people from understanding all the dimensions of this invasion. There was recently a bill that was passed that could potentially land Russians in jail for up to 15 years if they tweet out of pocket about the war. And we've seen thousands of people arrested for protesting. So basically, these people are living in an information desert where the only things that are readily available to you are traditional propaganda channels. Facebook has been restricted. I think Twitter has been like basically blocked. Also, independent news is inaccessible. The BBC has like reintroduced their shortwave radio like in World War Two. So people can get some kind of information. But the one place that is that is still able to offer people a glimpse into what is happening is on sites like Pornhub and OnlyFans you know there was an effort of people to do

things like do go into like Yelp on Russia and leave reviews and post pictures of what was happening in Ukraine or going on Google Maps and posting in Google Maps but then Google kind of locked you shut that kind of activity down. So now we're seeing some Russian and Ukrainian adult performers using the platforms to like upload vlogs, like on their OnlyFans, that's like a live to the, to the date, to the moment updates about like what they're going through in Kiev or other parts of Ukraine. And in some instances on Pornhub, people are just uploading straight up footage like news footage of what's happening just to be like there's a video site that the russian government hasn't completely cracked down on check this out and it seems to be somewhat effective

you know because people are kind of paying attention now how many of those people are actually viewing this content from russia you know, stands to be known. It's still unknown to this point. But it's one of these things that we're kind of seeing many people having to get a little bit more creative with how they're able to get content out. And I'm just saying, like, you know what? We owe sex workers another one there. Somebody was saying the other day, and I'm sorry that I can't remember who it was on

Twitter, but they were talking about how in times of crisis, sex workers are typically the best advocates because they're so frequently in crisis and under threat of like imprisonment. And so they have like these systems that work almost autonomously now already set in place for like notification and legal aid and all kinds of other things. So sex workers really putting it down and sex workspace really holding down the fort for us in these difficult times, as always. I mean, I'm sorry to be this dude,

but what about the safe space for jerk offers? What if you're in Russia, right? Or you're in Ukraine, and you're like, man, I just need to get one out you know i mean i need the politics out of here and it's like oh man i can't go nowhere you know but do we think that's on the main page though i feel like you gotta search for it i clicked on sexy stepmom teaches man a lesson and i am now seeing tanks roll into cities. They're like, you know, and unfortunately, I think the jerk offers, unfortunately, are not the allies that we need to be in alliance with in this instance. But it's even wild to think, too, because we don't we're still not really sure what the real or how widespread the anti-war sentiment is in Russia.

We definitely see people protesting and there are protests. Is it arriving to like the, you know, hundreds of thousands of people or millions? Not quite, but that's also because the government is very repressive and will just beat the fuck out of you for getting out there. And you do see a lot of instances where a lot of people, you know, I saw this one headline of this Russian woman who was stranded in Ukraine once the invasion began and she was calling her mom in Russia and her mother in Russia did not believe what she was saying because of what she was seeing on TV. And she's like, I'm your daughter. She's like, no, no, no, that's not what they're saying on TV. And so

there's even those kinds of things to overcome. It's just it'll be interesting to see like how all of this evolves. But again, this isn't to speculate on what the outcome is domestically. What a bad relationship, right? You call your mom up and she's like, that's not what they're saying on CNN. She's like, you did this last time. Every time you said, well, you need to borrow 500 bucks, too, because a war broke out where you did this last time, Julia. We're not doing it again. I don't know.

I don't know what it is. But that is it is. I think it's it's a few things where, you know, older generations of Russians have definitely through the generation seen how bad it can be to speak out and go against what sort of like the state-sponsored narrative is. But it's mostly you see a lot of younger people who I think are kind of just like, I'm really having trouble seeing what my future is in this country. And maybe this is an opportunity to speak out. But yeah, still very scary and thoughts and prayers for all those people around the world facing global strife because it's not

just there okay let's talk about something a little bit lighter which is the story of sherry papini you guys hear about this you heard about sherry papini i've not heard about this okay well back in 2016 she went missing in early november of. There was a huge search, manhunt to try and find her and maybe the people responsible for her kidnapping. She popped up on the side of a road 22 days later, about 150 miles from her home. She had injuries from being bound. She looked believably like injured. She apparently had a branding scar on her shoulder and people were relieved. And then law enforcement began their search for the kidnappers and they were

coming up short, just trying to figure out who could have done this. We're not seeing a lot of ways to figure out how to like triangulate and bring these people in. Even though she gave a very vague description of two Hispanic women with bandanas over their faces that kidnapped her. Then last week, they made an arrest. And it was Sherry Papini herself for staging her own damn kidnapping.

And it turns out she made all that shit up and was staying with an ex voluntarily as the search went on for her in 2016. with an ex voluntarily as the search went on for her in 2016 and the thing that they're saying in these in these articles about it is the fbi showed up and in 2020 right and they said hey we're having a lot of trouble like like corroborating your story and in fact i'm gonna be real we have we have more evidence that suggests you may have been involved with this and she did the normal thing that any scumbag liar would do and doubled down on that shit. Even though they said, before you answer now, before you answer, remember, lying to a federal investigator is a crime.

So I'm going to say it one more time. Lying is a crime. And I'm telling you, we have evidence that you may be involved. Now do you want to change your story? She said, nope, it was them. I don't know what to say and they got her she's now facing 20 years in prison and not just and not just for like the wasted resources of like people trying to find her she was also grifting money from the california victims compensation boards this bitch and took and she only she got

30 30 000 but this is my thing was it what was this all for because you only they're saying she only grifted she was only able to get 30 000 dollars pay it out over the last couple years and now she could be going to jail for i mean i don't know like she's blonde and blue-eyed i don't know if they you don't have to say that, man. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. But just for everyone, just to reiterate, you know, they say maximum, but when the defendant is Sherry Papini, that looks like it might be a bit of a minimum of sentencing. But I don't know. I mean, like, what do you think compels somebody to do? Is it just the idea of being at, at like the focal point of everybody's concerns like

you know or is it or truly just feeling like oh i can get one over i don't well i know what's happening in sherry's life at this time i could understand you it's a desperate shit for 30k though there was a time in my life 200 was like transformative i could really be doing some stuff this week amazing that being said you also pulled the racism and you stole from folks who uh really could use what little funds are available to them yeah actual victims right i think i think 20 years is excessive but i'm a prison abolitionist so maybe that's shit to people but i sherry there are better ways go you are blonde and you have go grift a man okay how much money you need they'll give it to you like figure it out i don't think i think hiding in line to the fbi not worth the

risk girl not worth it i think uh all right. She need that attention. You know, that's the sad part. She did it strictly for attention. 30, I mean, 30 grand over how many years? Was that three years? Five? Or four? Four years?

2017 to 2021. I mean, what's that? It's like seven, seven, three, five a year. You know what I mean? You know, it's all right it's all right i'm just saying i don't personally i don't think i don't think people like this should go to jail i think they should have to like work at oh yeah a waffle house in the middle of atlanta for nine years for 12 years right the night real hard time yeah i want you to work there

the night shift 12 years yeah like you your shift starts when the club's let out yep every day that's when your shift starts that's her job so you have the most active version of the restaurant that's your black uh what's that black mirror type prison type shit you know what i mean because that's even how i felt right with um uh aunt becky right in the whole usc pay for my kid to get in college thing it's like nah like i don't it's not prison that's gonna really affect these people it's like you need to take away their creature comforts and have them toil like everybody else has to and that i think maybe will generate a little more empathy than being like, I don't know. I'm in this federal prison and it's kind of great.

My bunk mate is actually my accountant's ex white. It's really wild. You get all the time to read and lift weights. Yeah. That's what I think. I maybe feel like maybe that's how you get conservatives on board with like changing the judicial system it's like nah man we're gonna turn up the punishments to be more things that actually feel like they're we don't need jail we need just to teach lessons like a

old grandfather would hell yeah but you know without the carceral system. Very tricky road. Very tricky road. I need you to cut grass. Right? With scissors. No, I want you to be able to do it for real, just regular cut grass, but all the grass. Oh, wow. Okay. She's like, you have to mow the grass at every public

park in the state. Everywhere. Love it. Until that's done, we will see you there. Yeah, Jess producer just said, yeah, conservatives endorsing forced labor sounds like it'd go wrong in just about every way. Rich white people won't be the ones doing it. You're right, Jess. You're right. Pull us back.

Pull us back. Pull it back. Pull it back. That's not what we're talking about. Fine. Fine. Fine. I. Fine. I want like 33% of that. Not the whole 100. Yeah.

Or just like, you know, give like oppressed people like a punishment board that they run where like rich white offenders, they're at the mercy of like oppressed people and be like, okay, what do we want to cook up for this person it's not jail it's not jail hmm you stole this from children okay let me think white people will be terrified yeah they're gonna enslave us now this is a reverse racism no that's oh yeah we don't want to imagine we got way more creative than that that's the i would watch that they don't know that they

don't they don't realize that they would be like these are death panels of brown people you know that's how they would spin it totally i totally don't want to do reparations 90 day fiance right there like honestly reality tv show producers you can have that one for free like oh yeah do it just really think i'm like okay outside like ways just the creative way to abolish prisons but but it's people who have never actually had to account for their their crimes they do and they go to this very creative group of punishers okay side spinners spinning side spin yeah and like in the hottest intersection in the country, the cars don't even go here. You're like, yeah, that sucks. Keep spinning that sign because there is a gyroscope on that thing.

And if you don't do 3000 flips, you're not going home today. You got to clean the AMC bathroom after the next Marvel movie. Right. Exactly. I'm all about this. This is my deep, dark shit. But all we're saying is it's like saying wealthy people, you actually have to do wage work. But that's the dream. What if they actually had to know what it was like? Right. And then they come out. They're like, this is terrible.

They're doing this for $10 an hour. We got to do something. And by that, he's like, we need to lobby our senators to get rid of this program I don't ever want to do that again Waffle House Atlanta 9pm to 4am oh yeah just keep it safe starting at

your shift starts at 11 11pm to 11 to 7 you're doing a whole 8 come on now 11 to 7 you're getting all of us Waffle House? No, you're doing a whole 8. Come on now. 11 to 7. A Waffle House don't give you a full 8 because you're not getting benefits. You can max go 7.

Okay, so 11 to 6. Fine. You got us there. Nice end around on the labor protections. I worked many a minimum wage. Me too. I've been down minimum wage job. Me too. I've been down.

Yeah. It's wild too. Yeah, because they're like, well, an hour is actually your lunch. And we're not paying for that. An hour is so grateful. So grateful. You have 30 minutes in your time, so it's the second you punch that clock. But you cannot eat on the floor. You got to go six floors up.

It'll take you at least seven minutes. So good luck. Get back on time or you're fired. They're like, watch me eat on the sales floor. I i don't give a fuck let's eat my sandwich in the hallway it's fine there are multiple there's so many fucking convoys right now the one we spoke about on monday was this very specific one that was meant to shut dc down on the day of the state of the union and we talked about how like 12 people showed up and not one of them was a truck and they didn't have a truck dude there wasn't even a truck and the guy

at the the dude who was like the organizer was like and you know and i talked to some truckers and like they were gonna come i don't know what happened but it was gonna look like so cool is what the guy said it was gonna look really cool with some trucks there, but they didn't show up. And, you know, I think a lot of people, this has become a really popular grift format now on the right, because there's this other convoy that started out to like in California that was making its way across the country. And I think a lot of people saw a lot of these like this footage of these like trucks going by their towns and be like, holy shit, this is getting pretty big. They are definitely now numbering in about the hundreds of vehicles with the numerous tractor trailers as part of this. And they got into the Beltway area recently. But I just want to talk a little bit about like what's sort of behind this. So far, they've raked in around one point seven million dollars in loose donations.

around $1.7 million in loose donations. And it's being, all these funds are being processed by a group called the American Foundation for Civil Liberties and Freedoms. The person who's involved in the organization, like for the Freedom Convoy, as well as this AFCLF group, one of these figures has been convicted of fraud in the past, but don't let that affect how you look at what this group is doing. And they seem to be made up of mostly like really confused, like dumb people, because their goals are not clear. And notably, it's not rife with conspiracy theories, unlike another convoy we'll talk about in a second. But their whole like mission statement is, quote, the average American worker needs to be able to end run the economic hardships of the last two years and get back to business of making bread so they can pay their rents, mortgages and help

jumpstart this economy. To that end, it's time for elected officials to work with the blue collar and white collar workers of America and restore accountability and liberty by lifting all mandates, which is already happening. So what is the point y'all? And that's where they're having a real crisis as a group. Like there are some people who are like, I don't want to get caught up. Some people are like, we don't want to go near DC. So let's just drive around the beltway just to show people how many people are part of this. But the traffic was so bad that like their convoy kind of got split up by like other cars that weren't involved.

And they're like, and they're getting frustrated because some people like we need to be doing more like they want to park their trucks like right up Joe Biden's ass. And other people are like, we can't get near D.C. because we're going to get false flagged January 6th and it's going to ruin the movement. So just stay out of D. DC. And it's like, huh? So I'm not sure what your plans exactly are, but it's just kind of really funny to me that this group, like that they saw January 6th as being bad or to be associated with it as bad. But then they use the logic of it's a setup to keep the cognitive dissonance going. And then that same logic is actually preventing them from actually doing any direct action in D.C. So they're like, I feel like this is the best metaphor I've ever seen for conservatives in America because they want to gesture towards being persecuted and the underdog and they organize this big thing

to get the government to end the covid restrictions the government is already doing that because they are on the side of big business like they that's just naturally happening and now they're like still doing the like fucking mad max and they're the bad guys like gesture but the government has already capitulated because they're on the same side as like the most powerful thing the least persecuted thing in america and maybe world history which is the interest of big business and you you know, commerce in the United States. But like, they can't, they're not happy with that, like symbolically. And like, from an image perspective, they need to act, find something to complain about. So hopefully they can switch streams seamlessly to whatever the fuck their next thing is. I think they will because we all know the, you know, the image of, you know, the wall

that starts bursting holes and you rush to plug each hole and a new one pops open. Right. Well, this is like the opposite of that. Like they have, there's a source somewhere for this collective rage, right? And, you know, it probably stems from, you know, lots of different things, entitlement, which is one of them, but they are the water behind the wall and the world is patching the holes. And they're like, well, we have to put this rage somewhere into a different form now. And so they pop a new hole over here. And so now

it's like, well, now we'll do the, you know, truck convoy. And then, you know, it's like, well, the mandates are being lifted. And so that hole gets plugged. And now they're like, okay, now they're rushing to find a new hole to burst in the wall that will get plugged. It's just, it's really wild because, you know, there's, and it's also like this, we, people have such a desire for a savior, right? Whether it was Trump or, you know, other people. I know for like this. We people have such a desire for a savior. Right. Whether it was Trump or, you know, other people. I know for me, it might even have been borderline Bernie Sanders. Right. And so it's like, I want someone else to, like, save us all from this stuff. Get control of this. Yeah. Instead of me having to really do anything about it.

You know what I mean? Like, Bernie will take care of it for me. You know what I mean? Yeah. I can sit here and, you know, watch baseball if they ever end their labor dispute, which is disgusting. But like, you know, so it's like, where's all this displaced rage coming from? What's the source of that? And, you know, how do we fix that? You know, while they keep trying to, while the rest of the whole world's trying to plug, you know, burst new holes while we try to plug them simultaneously. The whole world's trying to plug, you know, burst new holes while we try to plug them simultaneously. And it's funny that you talk about like, what do we do with all this energy? Because, like I said, there's another like, I guess, sect of this convoy or like adjacent convoy that's also going to D.C. And these were people. This is the QAnon one.

OK, and this is a lot of there's a lot of people who are participating in this one. OK, and this is a lot of there's a lot of people who are participating in this one where the same group of folks who are in Dallas waiting for JFK Jr. to fucking come back from the dead to proclaim Trump, you know, supreme god, lord, leader. And it didn't happen. And all they got was fucking Prince playing a concert for them. The poor bastards. Right. With Michael Jackson on drums or keys or something. You're going to want to put Michael Jackson on drums for sure.

Oh, yeah. Underutilized. Yeah. So now these people are now putting all of their eggs in this trucker convoy basket. But they're all for these guys. Their sort of mythology and their motivation is centered around Ukraine. their motivation is centered around ukraine so this one is they're saying that they allege that what is happening in ukraine right now is some is like a project a collabo between trump and putin to secretly stop bio weapons from being made by anthony fauci in ukraine and so they're shelling all the bio labs the secret bio labs in ukraine to prevent

fauci from having these bio weapons and they want to bring attention to that but they're also in a convoy so it's a very low invasion yeah yeah yeah of course of course of course because they don't know what it's really about lining like they're they're mainlining like kremlin propaganda and re like sort of contextualizing it to work with their you know conspiracy theories i blame marvel for all of this i blame the success of the iron man franchise uh the avengers and because i these, these like stories, these ideas are so comic book superhero. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Style fantasies. And as someone who used to be really into conspiracy theories, I, you know, I can, I understand and I can sympathize a little bit with like when something happens, it's like people who follow a false prophet, you know, and then that day that they predict something is going to happen happen doesn't happen. 50% of the people who follow that prophet, they double down as opposed to being like, oh, clearly this was all BS. I need to get out of here. Yeah.

But no, they don't do that because we don't want to admit we're wrong. And it's just like, oh, my God, are we we're just that simple? I suppose they'll double down themselves into a singularity oh my gosh it's like it's like to think that that there is this you know and i think the problem with this is a lot of people don't understand that so much of the conspiracy theory talk and the you know the banks and you know the one world order they don't understand like the the you know the anti-semitic origins of so much of this conspiracy theory lore that they buy into from the protocols of the learned elders of Zion, which is such a bogus document that Henry Ford helped spread around.

And, and it's like they, so when they talk about George Soros, man, George Soros, and it's, it's like, okay, George Soros is a billionaire or whatever. But, you know, it's like this, the origin of all this fear, anger and hatred, you know, comes from such a poisonous place. And it just keeps bastardizing itself into new forms. And most of these conspiracy theories, you know, you mentioned, because I'll talk to them. And if you you ever even mention the protocols they've never even heard of them and right but they're basically quoting them exactly right and it's like i want to be president well oh what you think about george washington who's that guy you know is he trying to run against me it's like no the first president right damn but the one thing that's very american though about the the other the trucker convoy is they're really pissed that this that ukraine is getting all the attention from the news they're like oh great oh fucking war breaks out in europe and that's all people are talking about and like the humanitarian aid that's needed what about our our trucker convoy? And then they made some really salient points about like,

well, what about what's happening in Yemen and all these other places? Is it just, why do you pay attention to Ukraine? No, they're like, wait, hold on, go on. He's like, okay, well, Yemen, right now the United States is backing the Saudi Arabian government in a really horrific war

that's causing untold amounts of strife. And we're not talking about that. You're like, when did you learn? It's like, I just, it's in my telegram group. Talk about this stuff now. Yeah. It's, it's unstoppable. It seems like that, that reading that conspiracy theory,

mostly you just put forth about Fauci and Ukraine and that like, you know, Trump and Putin are working together, like just was so deflating because it was just so it was like, wow, this has metastasized like 50 times since I last even like checked in with it at a glance. And man, it's it's pretty wild. I'm having a moment of clarity over here. Yeah. It's pretty wild.

I'm having a moment of clarity over here. Yeah. You know, in the paranormal world, often people who are skeptical or argue against certain things will know, the invasion of Ukraine? It's like, well, why would, you know, why is this really happening? And it's like, okay, like, well, there's obviously secret labs over there that, you know, you know, so it's like this idea of using something even further out on the spectrum of belief to explain something below it is, is something that a lot of us will do in our lives for all kinds of things. I know I'm speaking for myself, you know, cause I'm so involved in, in interested in paranormal things. And it's easier than accepting the harsh, real truth of our reality, like the pandemic, like it can't just be nature saying, I am going to put you in your

place. I am going to really do something that you can't stop. You have no control over. And guess what? There's no real explanation for it that you can make of like, as far as like ascribing meaning from. And so instead of facing the truth as human beings of like, oh man, nature is so powerful. We can't control nature. We say, oh, it was made a bunch of labs by, you know, the, uh, by this foreign government because you know, blah, blah, it's a psyops, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's a social experiment by the new world order. It's like this crazier, you know, examination of the cause gets created as opposed to just accepting the simple truth that like, yeah, this is, you know, we try to dominate nature. Our social status is dictated by how well we dominate nature.

Like, do you have a good lawn? Do you have a nice looking yard? Because if you don't, you're letting nature take you over. And that's not how we define status here because we're human beings and we control nature. Right. So it is this whole worldwide consumption of grief and world news on an individual basis is just really a lot to handle for any single person. Yeah. For me, I don't take care of my lawn, but I do display my mastery over nature by just like having lots of animal and bird traps all over my front lawn and then mocking the birds and animals once i catch them and people still like don't respect it

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slash body and soul. Taking better care of yourself is just a click away. And we're back. And yeah, I actually I heard this article mentioned on John Gabrus's podcast Action Boys and immediately was like, all right all right i'm gonna go read that article and then i want to talk to joelle monique about this the next the next time she is on it's just a good like sort of meta analysis of movies of the past 20 years that's like you know like as recently as the 80s and 90s like people were horny in movies like movie characters were horny in movies, like movie characters were horny. And now as like the human body has like the human body, as it appears in movies has been like whittled down into this like thing that

requires, you know, engineering from like a full time chef and trainer and steroids, steroid bartender. I don't know. and steroid bartender. I don't know. Like as the bodies have gotten more like traditionally like beautiful, the people have just gotten less horny. Like people, like the movie characters are just,

I don't know. Like it really made sense to me in the article when the author was talking about Christopher Nolan movies. I've always noticed this about Christopher Nolan movies. There's not a a like i said up top there's not a drop of sex in any of the dreams of inception but like it's not just like it's not just christopher nola movies like we did i didn't even i was not like that movie's fucking weird like that's a that's a movie about dreams and like nobody it's like a world in which sex doesn't exist. And we just like, yeah, I don't know. And then I mean, it's true. Like the the Dark Knight Rises sex scene between Christian Bale and Marion Cotillard is like, I think the low point of his movies and maybe all movies it's just it doesn't like so drab and unbelievable and just like plot mechanical it sucks but you know the the

author also points out like all the marvel movies like pepper pots and tony stark there those people aren't fucking you can just look at that and be like those people what are you talking about even wonder woman and steve trevor the entire second movie is based on her wanting to take does she take over a person in a coma's body or he takes over she takes over a person in a coma's body to bring this person back to life he does in part two yeah and they have clearly like just it's like they've not heard of sex let alone like wanted to have it with one another there's no time for sex when you're saving the world jack priorities and okay so i have so many thoughts on a direct tangent from what we were just talking about the idea that movies are so focused on end of the world

scenarios i think that we've been scared out of sex they're just like there's no time like christopher nolan isn't even interested in love even in inception which is supposed to be about a guy getting back to this woman that he lost you know it's falling deeper into his dreams to get to it's more a figment of his imagination than an actual person he's trying to get back to all we ever see of her is like her with the kids she's very beautiful she's off in the distance they don't even show her face we don't know anything about her it's really more of a representation of that's where he feels safe it's about him it's not even about getting to her so that he can love her right like the way that they convey her

at least that's what i got from it i was just like yeah so this is nothing to do with her this is everything to do with him needing to have the things that he thinks that he needs where he was the way he wanted to be it could have been his favorite armchair that would have been fucking amazing if it was just his favorite armchair that yeah that would have been fucking amazing if it was just his favorite armchair that he likes to sit in like that's what he's fantasizing about the whole time damn my lazy boy but in the dark knight trilogy both the most evil and exciting but like evil character of the trilogy is the only character with any sexual energy and he's ledger's joker like he's the only character that you're like

okay this guy's like fucked up but he clearly like has some sort of like sexual urges whereas everybody else is completely removed from that it's happening on such a large scale i think part of it is like a purification of our country where we really like we we had a very large swift at least in my childhood this idea of like protect the children they can see like don't talk to them about sex okay we're gonna go back to abstinence training like avoid it and then because of that then you had this movement of the mpaa which rates movies being a lot more stringent on how they were going to rate and the theater industry or the movie making industry followed that and said okay well we'll just focus really hard on pg-13 movies

you'll get your f-bombs a guy will definitely kill someone in a horrifying way but they won't have sex and it'll be fine people will be okay with that i mean we used to be a proper country you remember when we had like erotic thrillers they were just everywhere and they were so good and so like steamy and fun and mysterious and someone died but in the end the hot person usually got away and that's what really mattered and i sort of miss these days of like give me a basic instinct a fatal attraction if you will i'll even take like a crush you know 1992 i just feel like as we embrace more violence and and and more brotherhood and friendship we just aren't really

interested in romantic relationships unless they're devastating your lifetime super they have cancer they can't remember each other they their families don't want them to be together there's an entire war between that's what we're getting in our love movies or they're silly beyond belief we don't even have good romantic comedies anymore fight me i just feel like there's we're not interested in expressing love in our films anymore yeah i think it's really interesting time in general i mean it's something i think about a lot when we think about the quality of relationships that are presented you know and and i'm somebody that i don't really even like rom-com

movies because i feel like they're so ridiculous and they're so out of touch with what life is truly like when you're actually in a relationship. But it's weird because we live in this country where we are supposed to be exceedingly hot, right? And we see this reflected, you know, Jack, as you were saying, in movies, right? People are these chiseled sort of beautiful, you know, or, you know, the ideas of what society wants you to think is a beautiful body, right? But then there's also the other side of that is that you either are beautiful and non-sexual or you are sexual and not traditionally hot. I feel like those are the only two kind of like routes that we kind of want to see that. And now that we're seeing people really talk a lot more about gender sort of being

a construct, right? And we're moving towards recognizing and sort of accepting that there are people who are non-binary who don't necessarily, you know, sit in either gender, you know, or people who don't identify even sexually, right? Like this asexuality kind of becomes a thing. And it's really weird because it makes me think like, are we going to see stuff continue down this road where people don't even want to touch the sex because it gets too close to gender and they're too worried about putting people off you know and not representing that i mean it's already sad that we don't see enough homosexual love stories right and then we do see them it's usually like chittered and chattered about and it's like this taboo thing that happens you know

it's like a brokeback mountain situation like oh my god you know or it's like blue is the warmest color like oh my god there's lesbian sex in that one. And it becomes this like dirty thing. And I don't understand because America, it's like we want our teenagers to be hot. You know what I mean? Like we're, we have movies that are supposed to be teenagers and we're casting 35 year old women.

You know what I mean? Where it's like, that girl is 35. And they're like, okay, well, that's so we can see her fuck and not feel bad about it. And it's like, why do we need to see kids fuck what is happening like we're we're all fucked up about sex in the united states i think we have a really shitty relationship with our bodies and with who can have sex and who can't have sex instead of just accepting that like there's gender and then there's sex and they don't necessarily go together and then

you don't have to be hot in order that for it to be a thing right like you don't have to be hot enough to fuck right like i just i hate that concept of it you know or like you said it has to be tragic joelle right where it's like oh this tragedy happened oh my god like this is so sad where it's like all right so we have to be talking about either a devastating relationship or we have to be talking about rape in order for us to be able to comfortable exploring a sex scene because that's the other thing that i hate is where it's like we won't see sex unless it's a it's a rape unless it's a violent crime that's happening right and you know and then it's okay because it's contextual it's like oh so in order for to feed me sex it needs to be violent what are we doing this film is not yet rated a movie from

2006 a documentary about the mpaa process and like their standards and what they give our ratings and nc-17 ratings what they will and won't allow to be showed on camera is i like as close to mandatory viewing as as possible for a listener of this podcast like y'all need to watch it if you haven't but they they talk about the thing that the ratings board really objects to is women experiencing sexual pleasure oh yeah it's not nudity it's women like they are terrified of women experiencing sexual pleasure a movie will show a rape scene and then that will get an R. But if a woman is shown having an orgasm,

that will get you an NC-17. They'll always cut right before she hits climax. Yeah. Right? You could see her being penetrated and starting to enjoy. And then they'll be like, and that's the end. We better get out of here.

She's starting to enjoy herself. Don't show them that women can actually orgasm. That would be a problem. She's a witch. We can't show it. But fascism. So this essay, which is really good, I highly recommend people. We'll link off to it. But it opens with a description of Starship troopers the shower scene which is you know all of these like sculpted soldiers

showering together because they're part of this like military battalion but the whole undercurrent of that movie is fascism and that's like a thing that's been remarked about repeatedly about fascist cultures and just the ideology of fascism is it's all about like beautiful, efficient bodies, but like completely removed from sex and like completely taken out of the context of sex. a commentary back in 1992 and it you know presaged a lot of things but i i think that's one of them that like just this idea that like bodies would be taken more in this direction of not not really like functional they're not like we don't we we don't let them have the the horniness that that is like so deeply human you know they're there for your visual consumption for the audience to ogle and be like wow isn't that a perfect body but there's again no internal desires even when we had our first marvel sex scene in the eternals which really kicked off a conversation about sexlessness in heroic movies in the superhero

cape and calla movies i mean if you saw the movie it is the most bland non-interesting sex it is boring and there's no which movie the eternals oh yeah yeah first of all not a great movie i feel like i talked that to death of why i don't like it don't tell me about all your epic stories just please show me but the other idea of these two characters we're supposed to have this great romance across thousands of eons and like always coming back together and when you see them together you're like girl get out he's abusive the whole time you're just like this man is not quite right he's a little obsessed with you in a very unhealthy way you just seem like a sweet innocent person please remove yourself and then when they are together there isn't that the actors are trying to perform longing it's staged so that

it's supposed to be there but it never connects or leaps off the screen and it's because it's it's a disney film disney's never going to allow you to truly invest in what it needs to be like in a committed sexual relationship that's not you are parents serving other people you are doomed lovers you are not ever happy and and really enjoying yourself when they had every reason to be. And it's weird to me that we're continuing to get that in spaces where the studio could go there. It makes sense to me that Disney is like, that's not really what we're interested in. We are very strictly a family space. But Warner Brothers, y'all, you got so much space and time

just to bring out the fucking, you could do it. It's not gonna be a problem. Your audience is going to stay here for it. But I do think that a lot of people are afraid of slipping into that R category because even when you have movies like Deadpool, which does have a lot of sex and actually some pretty good fun sex scenes in there,

it didn't do the same kind of numbers that I think a studio hopes to hit every time they release a superhero movie. It did well. They're going to keep releasing Deadpool movies. But that R rating, it does have a, it makes a difference. I think they tried to go PG-13 on movie two, if I remember correctly. And so this article is kind of written in the context of maybe the Batman will save us from this trend. And I don't. There's no like overt sex scene, but I have read people say like it's the characters are clearly horny. And like there's a like undercurrent of sexuality, at least as compared to previous Batman.

Zoe Kravitz is absolutely horny for Batman. Batman has never had sex, ever. This version of Batman, not fucking. And it's Robert Pattinson. Batman's just sad, too. I mean, Batman has never been the horny character for me. He's just such a sad boy, you know what I mean? He just seems like the kind of guy you'd fuck

and that he'd cry after, and you'd be like, God, now I have to stay. I can't leave, you know what I mean it's like he just seems like the kind of guy you'd fuck and then he'd cry after and be like god now i have to stay like i can't leave you know what i feel like michael keaton batman did fuck and that was the only one that was like yeah and maybe because he had nipples i would pay good money and i'm talking good money to see fat thor fuck somebody everybody all things like when they had fat thor that really did it for me i was just like oh what's up i like that that little belly i was like yeah yeah yeah that really that thor was definitely hot yeah i'm into it on thor the writer points out like in greek myths thor is like uh oh yeah he fucks everybody. movies are supposed to be our greek myth like or at least in my in my opinion like that's that's

what reveals things about our inner lives and values and wishes and dreams is like the movies that we're into but for some reason like in the transition from like ancient greece to today we were like get the sex out of there we none of that bring back the fuck hammer the other thing i think might have happened in just the last decade is after like a little bit before me too and for sure afterwards there's been this strange backlash of people being like well now just no sex i mean if you guys remember immediately after me too there were a bunch of men who are like well maybe i just won't hire women because i don't want to deal with this. Which was, I mean, it literally floored me.

But at the same time, I think we're seeing a lot of especially big movie production studios taking a step away from having sex scenes. scenes and the smaller productions that are continuing to you know if they want to have sex scenes or if they have a rape scene like they're bringing in counselors and people who can sort of guide or set up a scene so that actors can feel safe and comfortable which i think is a great thing and i think we should continue to do moving forward because the one disturbing thing about if you look at older films that have sex scenes, is, like, sometimes those scenes were surprises to the actresses. Right. Which is a horrifying thought. A lot of times, if there is an actress involved, she's the only woman on set that day, which is, again, a horrifying thought.

Like, there's a lot of, I think, in our new world, discussions about how do we do this in a way that makes performers, makes them actually, I was going to say feel safe, but where they're actually safe, where we're making sure that they don't leave a set with like mental and emotional scars, because that's, we're just making art. You shouldn't leave with a mental and emotional scars. And it's a tough thing to do. But in like adjacent to that, I think, you know, Barry Jenkins recently did an entire mini series about slavery and he had to have a therapist on set the whole time because we have people like we're visiting these historic spaces you know it can be triggering and traumatizing and I don't know I just think it's like there's a lot of reasons for why Hollywood at this point is like oh how are we going to do this how are we going to be judged

how do we make sure the actors feel safe how do we make sure that we don't get a rating that makes it impossible for our movie to do the kind of sales we need it to do? I do hope that we're seeing a surge in indie films where these things are maybe not so taboo and smaller cast and crews tend to have better rapport overall. I don't know. I do think one last possible explanation is that like it seems like a it uh internet porn is a horrible place to learn about sex not saying movies are great but at least there's like a artistic vision that

is trying to depict something that is realistic and like say something about it usually as opposed to you know a lot of porn is really misleading and violent and not not leading people down a good path so you're saying that gaping and throbbing aren't realistic words for uh a loving and sexual embrace like the the thing that they're gaping gaping holes gaping oh my god that shit haunts me whenever i see that word i'm just like oh like i just want to like drop the keyboard i'm like i shouldn't be here this is gross i'm sorry i'm like apologizing to like the ghosts of my ancestors and they're just like what are you looking at i'm like i'm sorry i didn't i'm sorry i didn't oh god you test the limits of your own

shit there, man. Whatever happened to that? I just want to see regular old actors who looked good and worked out and ate fucking boiled chicken breast for a month. Fuck. Or pretend to fuck. Right. Put on stockings and rub against each other. You know?

Exactly. The writer's like, well, hopefully this is going to change because they cast Robert Pattinson as Batman and you know he's a sexual being on film and the evidence that he is sexual being on film is that he has masturbated in his last four films yes which feels kind of appropriate for our modern world that that is like what what a sexual person is just masturbating to a, uh, to a mermaid icon carved out of whale bone, which by the way, Joe, I did watch.

You watched lighthouse and I loved it. Isn't it so good? Yeah. Thank you so much for that recommendation. Yeah. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like,

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