The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 218 (Best of 3/21/22-3/25/22)

Episode Date: March 27, 2022

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I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry.

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That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the

making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist.

Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a brilliant actress, writer, podcaster, educator. It is the brilliant, the talented Karama Donkwa! Karama! Hello, hello. Thank you. I didn't prepare an AKA. I should have. I've been here before. I want to be cool like you guys, but I can't match your singing prowess. Thank you for having me again. Cool is definitely the operative word. Very cool what you've just witnessed here at the start of our show. Very legal. I'm also the only person not wearing a hat, and I feel rude that I didn't get that memo.

And you eat your apples from the side, I'm assuming, based on your reaction to that song I was singing. Oh, I don't eat apples because I like to fight doctors. I have a tiny apple today, guys. It's my mid-record snack. I didn't even think about it. Yeah. I could probably eat it in like three bites, I think.

But I don't know. I still have yet to try the bottom to the top method of apple eating. So maybe it'll happen. Maybe it'll happen live to tape on this podcast. I feel like the way that you eat a food is very important. And I just I think it's wrong. I think it's wrong to eat it from the bottom up. It feels very wrong.

These are the kinds of guests we have on that just challenge the paradigm as we know it you know and push us further and further out and saying you know there's no wrong way to eat an apple and it just looks wrong well like i so i bit into a kit kat once just like the whole thing and it didn't taste right anymore it just wasn't a kit kat right like oh you didn't break them apart you're just like big bite through all four big bite through all four of them yeah it looks like a pan flute made of chocolate that's right it's for my it's for my music college so karama you are uh where are you coming to us from i'm coming to you from chicago currently new city for me i like it

so far it's nice yeah a lot of buildings great for it happy for chicago and all of its buildings yeah yeah did you get to witness any of the saint patrick's day madness i was here on saint patrick's day so a little little shenan. I'm not a big drinking holiday celebrator. So I was just like minding my business. I actually got my passport renewed on St. Patrick's Day. You know, the craziest activity. So I spent most of my day in the passport office. But me and the passport office guy are really great. Shout out to Frank at the passport office in Chicago. But you're in LA or you're in California most of the time, right? Yeah.

You live in California, right? And so, but you're like, I got to handle my passport shit while I'm in Chicago. So here's the thing. I'm stupid. So what I should have done is just did it in LA because I didn't do my US passport. I did my Ghana passport. And there are four places in the United States where you can renew your Ghana passport.

And one of them is Los Angeles. But I was like, you know what? I'm in Chicago. I don't have anybody here that's trying to hunt me down that needs anything from me. So I'm just going to do this very important errand while I'm in Chicago. Don't ever do that.

That's crazy. I don't know why I did that. It just felt like you were so comfortable there i'm like damn look at you really feeling this and i'm like yeah handle some of my federal passport business while i was in town it's the dumbest thing i think i've done all year right and nobody peed on your shoe or anything like that like you made it through the same chicago st patrick's day celebration, like, just somebody breaking a window in front of you? None of that?

I'm the problem on St. Patrick's Day, which is why I don't really celebrate. Because I don't like the Celtics. And there's a lot of people wearing Celtics jerseys on St. Patrick's Day because they are green. And so, like, in 2014, I almost started a fight with a dude at a bar in la because i was like you can't wear that here yeah you don't do that here and he was blessedly like okay ma'am right right they're like you're at my bar on st patrick's day i had one drink on st patrick's day i went and got ramen and had one drink. I had an old-fashioned.

I did see a guy in a Larry Bird jersey and I was feeling feisty after my one old-fashioned and I was like, oh, it's on. Have you been watching Winning Time on HBO? No, I haven't. About the Showtime Lakers? Oh, man. There's some good... If you want to get energized by

people not liking the Celtics, there's some good scenes in there where to get like energized by like people not liking the celtics there's some good scenes in there where i'm like yes tell me that we're back just cracked her knuckles like she was like oh yeah we're going in i i am a fellow celtic despiser so there's no reason for me to hate this this rivalry has basically been dead since larry bird and magic johnson retired same there's literally no reason for me to hate this. This rivalry has basically been dead since Larry Bird and Magic Johnson retired. Same. There's literally no reason. It's just the thing I hold on to.

It's my hobby. I had beef with Danny Ainge. He's gone, and I'm still like, man, I still really do not like this team. I don't know what it is. You always bring that up. You're like, I thought with Danny Ainge. I thought it was going to be gone. Well, I always bring it up on this show.

You should talk to my therapist. You know? That's all I talk... No. Also, I know there's a listener named Alicia from Boston who's going to be in my mentions right now. Because whenever I bring up Boston... Alicia, I love you.

I love the people of Boston. Alicia, you get the pass. And you know what? My dislike of the Celtics... I don't know. I mean, don't come into my house wearing that track. The people of the Celtics? I don't know. I mean, don't come into my house wearing that track. The people of Boston, some people in Boston are great. Boston as a city, though,

does have a reputation for being just a little bit racist. A little bit. I've heard a few things from the history books. I should not give the global pass to the people of Boston. That's probably a little much but

there are great people in boston no city deserves a global pass i think no oh definitely not los angeles i'm from a trash city too yeah right chicago's great though thanks chicago honestly yeah my grandparents are from chicago so i'll give some people the grandparent blanket pass. Yeah, yeah. If your grandparent is Chicago, great, there it is. Boom. We honor you. We do like to ask our guests, and we particularly like to ask you, what is something from your search history?

search history well it's funny because i've lately like i've run out of weird shit to like i'm like now googling like weird shit like i'm out of i'm out of all the like like i was going to talk about the diatlof pass do you guys know about the diatlof pass i do see what that's see it's like the diatlof pass is like the i don't know like the allloth pass i do see what that's see it's like the atloth pass is like the i don't know like the allman brothers of the weird you know what i mean like it's like everybody knows other like oh jesus what are you talking about because we know about it doesn't mean our listeners know about it i think you've talked i think we talked about the last time but like did we talk about the atloth pass no we did pretty sure sure. I know the three of us have discussed the Dyatlov Pass. Did we talk about the sex position I made up called Dyatlov Pass?

Okay. No. Is that what happened when you Googled weird shit? It's just a bunch of people in a tent. But Dyatlov Pass, for those of you who don't know, is like a bunch of Russian hikers in the 1970s ended up just getting fucking fucking well they died in mysterious circumstances but they also ended up like dead like in ways that were just like totally crazy

like you know like spread out spread out over like a huge amount of space and like all of them were had different injuries and some of them were like naked and stuff and so anyway that that i just think it's funny that i've gotten into the like i'm I'm the same. I'm like, Dyatlov Pass. Like, I'm doing Cold Brew Got Me Like, the podcast, and I like to talk about something strange, you know? And I realized that I've talked about all the strange things, and now I'm into hack strange things. Like, hey, have you guys heard about the Philadelphia experiment?

Right. Now they're like, no way. How about the Rendlesham Forest incident? They're all incidents. Is that the, like, no way. How about the Rendlesham Forest incident? They're all incidents. Is that the British military UFO encounter? Yes, everybody knows. It's horrible. It's like after.

I got nothing. It's like the year punk broke. It's like when Nirvana broke. It's a nightmare. It's like, because now the History Channel's got all this shit on blast, if that's the right thing to say. Yeah. On blast. I'm a young man.

Miles, do you know, I mean, I'm kind of a UFO head, though, which is a cool thing to call yourself. But, Miles, do you know about that? The forest incident? Rendlesham? No. My boyfriend's a UFO head. Oh, cool. That's awesome.

Good for you. Sounds great. How's that work? I've been hanging out with her fucking boyfriend. I bet brunch is a blast. Rendlesham Forest, you know what i'm talking about oh wait so what's the randall some harry and the henderson's forest randall's and forest is like a very believable ufo sighting where like this little fucking ufo it was pretty small actually went around in the woods in england and like a bunch of people tailed it and like these guys were running around they have it

all on audio like they have audio from the yeah concurrent recordings who the fuck was recording walkie-talkie transmissions back then on like a reel-to-reel or something but again it's it's one of these things that you see in some of the ufo encounters where it's not a thing where somebody's just happens to be walking in the forest and encounters a bright light. Both this and the example of the Tic Tac where the fighter jets were scrambled out to see it, the UFOs were there for a while. because they went out there to be like there is something very strange going on there's like all these weird lights that are like floating through the forest and we are a military base that i believe had like nuclear capabilities maybe not but it's a great story yeah it's an unbelievable story but i would say it's true unless they were making unless some like the ideas everybody says it's a weather balloon you know but that's kind of like nobody believes that everyone says it's a weather balloon, you know, but that's kind of like, nobody believes that everyone knows that. Right.

Like a tiny weather balloon. A cover story. This is like, yeah, like there's, unless the government was like created a tiny little UFO that, yeah, like burnt trees and like traveled around in the woods,

which seems like there's no way that that's not a military thing. They're not trying to say the military loves the goof. They're not trying to explore the woods. Yeah. Military doesn't want to check out the woods i've said that three times that's cold brew that's what i was going to say okay so what i've gotten into is i still i still watch abandoned mine videos because they reliably find stuff and i am sick of i watched i watched curse of oak island for fucking seasons you know but I watched it on the bootleg version where it's all wavy on YouTube. Like where they have to shrink the screen and stuff. Right.

You know what I mean? Like a couple of cents. Yeah. Like a bunch of swirlies, like swirly patterns on the side of the screen or something. And they do kind of do the show backwards. Yeah. Anyway, so Oak Island hasn't found anything in like nine seasons i give them credit for you know trying but i'm tired of it and at least that the abandoned mines they find a glove

they're still delivering oh they'll find like a yeah like a prince albert tobacco tin yeah you know reliably yeah right and that makes me feel feel yeah the first time chris came on he was talking about mud larking then people fishing around in rivers, I believe, at one point. What a disrespectful way to describe magnet fishing. Magnet fishing, my bad. People fishing around in rivers. Oh, yeah, magnet fishing. It's only one of the top sports in the world.

But I feel like we're slowly honing in on... We're slowly honing in on... Did you not see the Olympics? The pay dirt. Yeah. We're slowly honing in on. Did you not see the Olympics? The pay dirt. Yeah. Magnet fishing. Magnet fishing.

Yeah, they stock the pond. They stock it with, like, wrenches and lawn chairs. That's all they ever find is fucking lawn chairs and wrenches. And they're always like, pretty good day. Yeah. And I'm like, no, it wasn't a good day. Not really. If you think a good day is finding a lawn chair and a wrench uh i found three wrenches but they're like on the upside we got drunk i mean it's just like regular fishing like it doesn't matter what you catch

it's just about how drunk you get it's about the about the friends you make i'm having a premonition uh or whatever it's called when you think you've had this exact conversation before but is there a it makes me sad it me sad we've had this conversation with crofter before well we've just done so many shows my brain is broken but is there a genre where people go into garbage dumps and like dig through garbage dumps and like evaluate our trash that would be interesting to me well they definitely wouldn't be evaluating it because people like that don't they don't just hold it up at the case of the camera like they don't say anything about like a store most of the time they're just like oh look look at this fucking thing high chair for a baby

this is probably old or maybe it's not oh but i think it is well it might not be though could be contemporary but i'm pretty sure it's old or maybe it's not that's pretty much the whole thing but yes people go to the dump and find dump cans like they'll find old beer cans like from because they're like searching for treasure essentially yeah but i mean yeah you can find i mean dumps are i'd like to come on we all know the old adage i'd like to go to the dump they never let me in they said i need a license or something there's this uh arizona like sociologist i think is what his profession is called and he evaluates people's trash and like to determine things about like modern america based on our garbage which is like the only actually democratic like way to evaluate people is through their garbage because everybody gets their garbage

collected but usually the state or you know well there's two things about garbage first of all i read a thing where you have they'll hot dogs have so many preservatives in them that you can find a hot dog from the 1950s in the landfill that's totally fine yeah um i don't know if anyone's ever eaten it because i know there's that guy, New England Wildlife and More, who eats old food, but I've never, he should do a thing

where he goes to the dump and actually eats food out of the dump, but that's a recommendation for New England Wildlife and More if he's watching. He also unclogs culverts. He has a whole separate channel devoted to unclogging culverts.

Like he, this has been brought to my attention by other people, like people like who listened to cold brew got me like, you know, they're like, stop talking about the Dyatlov pass and start talking about the fact that your man, New England wildlife and more, the guy who eats old food from the 1930s, but couldn't get it during the pandemic because they canceled the state sales. That man, when he couldn't get the old food started unclogging culverts And he has a girlfriend and they go together. And it turns

out a culvert is a pipe. I thought a culvert was like a little ditch or something. A culvert is the name of the actual pipe that goes under a road. New England Wildlife and War is obsessed with culverts. And he camped out on a culvert. He put a tent on top of the pipe and he was like i'm camping out on top of a culvert it's right underneath me but he was like it was like an achievement like it's like but he's genuine you know what i mean he's not doing this as a stunt he's passionate about pipes like he likes pipes like the pipe he's like it's right underneath me i'm on top of the culvert and you're're like, that's what? It's so confusing. But then you realize this is what life's about.

Yeah. Finding the thing that gets you to it. Stop trying to make a billion dollars and go to the moon and start getting excited about pipes. Yes. I mean, that is literally almost word for word what I have written later in the doc. I swear to God, because like the fact that crypto is now has now democratized people's ability to make their job, like finding ways to game like little markets. And so now we have even more brainpower just being dumped into fucking bullshit and like gambling markets, essentially, instead of unclogging culverts or building a new clover that doesn't need to be unclogged and sometimes like lakes have drains in them like i i don't know if you've ever seen that i don't know what that's all about i haven't gotten into it but he likes unclogged drains and he's like when the drain goes he's like so pumped and he has a girlfriend who's

into it whirlpool i mean i don't have a girlfriend and And this culvert guy, this guy has got some woman who'll go with him to unclog culverts. Sounds like you need to switch it up. Yeah. Nailed it. That's just like, he must be wonderful in bed. That's all I can say. You got a girl who's willing to come with you. He's all right.

I mean, I do have to spend a lot of time with pipes. He likes to unclog pipes. He doesn't have a whole lot of money. He sold food. He's all right, though. He's nice. So, yeah, so he unclogs pipes. He also camps out in an abandoned motel.

He's like, there's an abandoned motel right near this pipe I want to unclog. And so he stayed in the abandoned motel with a space heater in the room and he kept saying like what temperature it was he was like it's still 40 degrees in here even with the heater so so yeah and he has a girlfriend with him during that you know just like and he has a girlfriend like you know it's like my, these people are in love. And that's the kind of love I want. Yeah. I want the love where we both are insane. Yes. I just want to unclog shit.

Someone said that's the only kind of love. Dally, what's something you think is overrated? Hang on. Sorry. I wrote this on a sticky note. What is my top out of all of these things? I put basil,

um, basil. Um, I think I was just mad when i was thinking about this i was mad at my plant basil if you're listening to this fuck you yeah i just repotted my basil and it like started dying and i was like it was like all my other plants are just like thriving right now but basil's like oh no change oh no transplant shock nobody needs you basil nobody likes pesto anyway wow i know i mean i don't hate it i don't love it i know people who love pesto i know people her majesty i'm sorry i might take shots of you uh my love but uh my partner my wife her majesty blood type is pesto. Damn.

That also assumes that she listens to the podcast, which makes me jealous. She doesn't. She doesn't. You said that like someone who's confident that their wife listens to the podcast. But it will get back to her because people we know listen. Because I'll call her after this recording. Yeah, well, you're texting her right now. I just got a text from her. She said, what the fuck are you saying on me?

Jack just texted me about you me like fuck i'm assuming you grow it because you do like it occasionally as a food you just don't like its delicate constitution is that kind of where well it's actually it's like a really horny plant like it grows really well but it's just my plant right now is not doing so great so i think i was just thinking about what's overrated and i put basil down because i was like personally angry at my plant every every time i've bought like living basil at like a farmer's market or something like you can plant this you know so you can actually keep growing it i fucked that shit up every time and it never grows so like i kind of felt you in that first part i'm like did you buy some shit that someone told you you could plant it and then

it will grow abundantly i grew it from seeds i like a god i raised it from seedlings and it was doing great and then like it was just the moving it to another pot are you fighting your dog right now my dogs are like fighting with each other right here next to the microphone i heard their i heard their nails on the floor i thought it was my dog outside my door. I can't remember if I had my second dog the last time I was on this, but they love to do this when I'm trying to record something or have a phone call. I don't know how loud that is,

but I'm very sorry. That's fine. And look, it adds texture. It gives us environmental nuance. The listeners love dogs. It gets our listeners to stand up and go check outside their doors to see if their dogs are running around. Which they, you know, they need the stretch your legs? Yeah.

Question mark, reminder on their phone every once in a while. Wait, that's a reminder you get? That's a reminder. Oh, that's from Aura. My Aura ring. Oh, wow. Aura is like, hey, maybe stretch your legs a bit. Hey, hey, you slovenly fuck.

Get off your ass a little bit. What is something you think is underrated? I think empty time in the schedule is underrated. I think basically non-productive time is severely underrated by myself and by the wider society that always wants you to be hustling and doing and demonstrating how much you're hustling and doing. And just like emptiness is a great feature. Is this a new realization? Is this something, a philosophy you've held dear? Because I know in the time we've worked together, I'm like, I think Baratunde is like one of the most hardest working people I've ever met. He has 900 things going on all the time.

At all times. I, okay. Maybe this is no, like what, how, how do we get here? That's a, that's a, that's an excellent and an intimate question because, because it is something that I don't always believe and I certainly don't always practice. So it's a realization I've come to a number of times. Right. But every time I rediscover it, I'm like, all right, I don't like I need to schedule blank spots to just have time to think loosely, like not listening to a podcast, not binging on some programming, not in a meeting, not writing, not intentionally making anything happen. Just like space, the final frontier.

And so it's new again. And it's something I really just have been feeling over the past week. As I had the thought that you have about me from the outside, I also share from like, oh, maybe I'm up to too many things. And how am I going to push to get it all done? And instead of my mind, I'm like, that's how you become a bestselling author. I'm like, well, this kind of ties into what we were going to talk about with TikTok and like that that pipeline. you know, our next generation of like great actors and directors and creators are being just swallowed up by not like busy work, but like the very small and disposable creations

of like social media, you know, like, Oh, okay. Okay. We're going, we're going into the deep end of the pool, kids. You know, that, that ties back to just the importance of boredom. Yeah. That, that's yeah that that's another way of saying what i was thinking about underrated and i think we we perform productivity right we it's kind of hard to show that you're not doing things or you feel some sense of shame if you

just post like just chilling doing nothing and also maybe you're not doing nothing because you just posted about how you're doing nothing right but. But yeah, there's just so much of our, I have definitely drank the Kool-Aid or actually, I don't know if I drank it. I think I've been like waterboarded by the Kool-Aid of productivity. And so it ended up in my digestive system, but also in my lungs and my eyes and like every other part because we're trying to get ahead. Like we're trying to generate more. We're trying to achieve and, and feel like we have some purpose. And that's so much tied up in just doing a bunch of stuff. Right. So just pausing to, to get off of that race off of that

track is quite difficult. And then, you know, we set up an economy where it's kind of required to, because, you know, it's Because it's hard to afford a home. Even if you have money, it's hard to afford a home. You don't have money. Nope. So there's a trap that we're locked in around this productivity thing that occasionally rears its head. And I'm like, oh, there's another way to be. Oh.

Right. Yeah. And then I crank out some TikToks about my newfound insights right follow me follow me follow me follow me at third eye baritone day yeah yep sign up for my course uh was that was like the hustle culture where do you think it got really big like in college was was at university does it get like that? Cause you know, you're at a really competitive school, a lot of people achieving things. Is that sort of like the beginning of sort of completely cementing this, uh, philosophical pitfall? It's, um,

I think it was, you know, I grew up with a deep sense of the sacrifice my mother made to provide me with a lot of opportunities to shield me from some of the more perilous parts of life growing up in the crack wars, DC eighties, all of that. So I think I carried a little bit of a burden of debt where like, I gotta earn this. I gotta be the return on her investment. And then by the time I got to college, it was a safe place to experiment with wildly unhealthy behaviors about trying to get ahead. I tried to sleep every other night for a couple of months or a couple of weeks, or then I would do like, I'll do four, four hours tonight and eight hours tomorrow night, four hours tonight, eight hours tomorrow night,

or just push myself to like not sleep and see how much I could get done, which I'm still convinced is why I don't remember a lot of college. I didn't drink at all during college. It was no binge drinking or any of that destroying brain cells. It was just, but the same effect happens through sleep deprivation. When I started learning about the long-term health effects, that helped slow me down. When I met my now wife, Elizabeth, she is the opposite. She really respects contemplation, time to synthesize, respects, contemplation, time to synthesize, rest. And, you know, she rubbed off on me, I think a little more than I rubbed off on her,

which is, I think that healthy for both of us, which is, you know, encouraging me to pause and breathe. And then what I found is maybe, you know, to your point, Jack, about creative production, I can have bigger and better ideas if I'm not constantly cranking out tiny ideas. And so just creating, it's a little, it takes a bit of faith because you don't see it in the short term. You're like, but I'm not doing anything in the next five minutes to prove that I'm a productive member of society. But over the next 50 minutes, my mind is just processing

a lot of the stuff that it's consumed. And then five weeks from now, maybe I come up with something, right? I just have an idea, quote unquote, but it's, it's the idea is the result of space that, you know, the hamster wheel would never allow me for. So it's, it's, it's one of those things you have to like trust, you know, a different process and just know that things might emerge on the other side rather than what you can see tangibly in the short term and like pushing, pushing, pushing. Yeah. Yeah. So TikTok is bad.

I don't know. I still wake up at three every morning and work out like Mark Wahlberg in The Rock. Good for you. Wait, really? Do you really wake up at three in the morning? No. Oh. I just find that, like,

that's the new unhealthy sleep habit du jour that people are like, this means you're truly on your grind. Right. Is if you wake up, like, at the time that most people are, like, just starting to enter REM sleep and start lifting weights.

That's Mark Wahlberg and The Rock both do this? Yeah, I believe so. I know Mark Wahlberg does. I mean, it helps that they, they have probably personal butlers and private trainers and people to take care of all the other stuff that the wrestlers have to do. Yeah. Who just take over driving when they fall asleep at the wheel. Yes.

It's like, yeah, he, Mark Wahlberg has to wake up and then eat a meal that's prepared for him and work out with a person that's waiting for him to walk him through it and then he gets in his like cryo chamber or whatever it is right right he's like pop some acidophilus you know exactly beer bong a gallon of acidophilus and then you go bro all right let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk some politics. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers

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on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you stream podcasts and we're back and uh it's time to check in with the wonderful world of state politics so as you mentioned up top the gop has a hot one going in ohio so this is to fill a empty senate seat i believe these are the two front runners they They are. They were not popular at the thing. There was like a straw poll after the debate where Josh Mandel, not everybody's favorite candidate from that, but they are like in broader polling the front runners. And yeah, Miles, give us the tale of the tape. What went down? what went down well on one side you have mike gibbons who's just like you're just you know like gop senate hopeful from like the early aughts like shit out of a machine when you're

like yeah right private sector business yeah like newt gingrich looking yeah and then you have josh mandel who's like you know served uh like a couple tours in iraq but the thing that like sort of put him on the map initially was because trump didn't want to like didn't want to endorse him or like get involved with him he's like many people have said that trump has quote called him a charisma free weirdo and dork which i'm like oh okay that's uh fucking interesting and this is according to multiple sources who have been like yeah trump has this weird thing about Josh Mandel, like always talking about his charisma or he's weird or asking about his personal life. So this is one of the quotes that they gave to the Daily Beast, like an insider quote. The former president has used the term fucking weird to describe Josh Mandel more than once when I have spoken to him about it. One of the people said he goes on to say, quote, he asked.

He has talked about Mandel and sex in the same sentence more times than I would have liked to hear. Which I'm assuming is more than once. But based on the way that people talk around Trump and like all the horrifying things about him within the Republican Party, I'm assuming it's more like in the 20s. Yeah. Well, and they say Trump always talks about wild shit, people's sex lives, like always prying or just bringing up like absolutely inappropriate things that aren't relevant at all, even to his like racist gang of politicians are like, I don't know if I care about that part so much as bringing white nationalism to normalizing that here.

that part so much as bringing white nationalism to normalizing that here so anyway mandel has made like a lot of waves because he's we realize he has to embrace the maga world this is what we've seen from everybody right it's like i gotta fucking hug this radioactive dump site to be able to ascend the heights of government and especially like with the christian elements mandel is jewish and a lot of like supporters and other like observers and like Jewish outlets have been like, this guy is like now kicking it with like anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists, theorists, like in an attempt to like cozy up to Mago world. And they're just like, this is all kinds of weird. So that's the whole backdrop of this dude and Mike Gibbons, which brings to last friday when they participated in a debate and again gibbons did the thing traditional gop got him like this guy's got no private sector

experience he's not a working he's not a job creator like that kind of shit dude mandel goes off and here's the sound yeah just check this out because this guy is a real aggro cool guy we should probably describe what's happening because it's a very boring goes off i'll say that like the his version of going off is like a focus group told him that he should act tougher and like something short-ciruited in his brain and made his legs stand up he certainly got the note about projecting that actual shit because maybe he took that note a little too far so uh here's a little snippet i can tell you filed that with the federal elections commission stock in chinese petro i personally didn't buy the stock you made me talk slow as

gibbons i don't think You made millions off of it. I don't think I made millions off of anything. I'd love to have made millions off of Chinese Petro. Shanghai Shenda and Chinese Petro. That's Mandel. I understand him fully. No, you don't. I do. You've never been in the private sector.

I've worked for Josh. Squatch. Two tours in Iraq. Don't tell me I haven't worked. Don't tell me I haven't worked. You don't know Squatch. You don't know Squatch. They're both standing face to face, like inches between their noses, but both standing like they have a pole up their ass. Yeah. Even the moderator is even like sad. He's like, all right, come all right come on guys like none of you

are about this life and this is a this is actually a debate for people looking to get the nomination for his senate race but right this this goes on again because mike gibbons now he's in his like boomer bag and he's like you're not you don't you don't you don't scare me little kid tough guy and this is when it starts to get a little bit hotter Never Watch We'll square it away with the wrong dude You're dealing with the wrong guy You watch what happens

Wait who said that That's Josh Mandel You want to hear it one more time When he says you don't want to deal with me You watch what happens You watch what happens So You watch what happens. So that's what went down. And meanwhile, you're going to hear, I think in the clip,

you do hear J.D. Vance be like, come on, guys. Right here. All right, guys. Well, J.D. Vance has been standing to the side. And then he also got the focus group note that you should stand up. Yes. So he stands up at the end for a moment and is like, geez, guys. And then sits back down.

God damn it. Yeah. I mean, look, a little light homophobia in a Senate primary race. It means everyone wins, I guess. But yeah, what's funny is after the fact, Gibbons' spokespeople denied that Josh Mandel had hit him with that, just being like calling him out like that.

And it's just weird. It's like, oh, huh. Wait, they denied? I don't know if you said that. And I don't know what their strategizing is on that. Maybe because the voters would be like, oh, what, you can't handle some words, Snowflake? But that's kind of the state of that race at the moment.

So you have your choice, Ohio. Just overtook Mandel in polling, apparently. And so this is like kind of a wild swing from Mandel to be like, I could beat him in a fight. Does that appeal to you? to be like, I could beat him in a fight. Does that appeal to you? The old guy? The old guy? You don't look that tough squaring up to Mike Gibbons.

You know what I mean? But I guess in these races that are just about projecting as much masculine energy as possible, that's what it calls for. The J.D. Vance thing is extra cringey and surreal to watch. If you just watch any youtube clips of him going from you know talking during the trump administration being you know the mainstream media's favorite sort of person who like expert medium to the other side with the other side being

like poor white people and like trump supporters and just was always so unfailingly condescending and dismissive and now he is like trying to like trying that costume on and like goes around to campaign stops and like old beat-up cincinnati bangles sweatshirts that like he had to get at a thrift store like he bought on ebay for 400 bucks yeah yeah and like there are these articles where his like close friends from like yale law school are just like it's really weird we still talk to him and like everything's cool then you look at him out there and like it's so yucky like it seems to be the general vibe it's wild what the pursuit of power does to people yeah i think he's in fourth by the way in the race jd yeah well it's almost it's almost like people saw you flip-flop so hardcore as like a never trumper

to like mag a wannabe and they're like oh god jd just please sit down everyone sit down let's talk about this gray's anatomy writer story it's just kind of a wild story but it's it's definitely something that you see happen on the internet everywhere quite a bit yeah or just this idea of people being taking a little bit from here and there spicing up their own life to maybe ascend in your job or make yourself more interesting or garner sympathy. But there's this writer, Elizabeth Finch, who's written on Grey's Anatomy since 2014 and has also been on like written on shows like Vampire Diaries, True Blood, you know, like established writers. These are all my shows also. I'm like, I've been with this woman. Yeah, I my toxic trait is that if i'm hanging out

with you and we are near a television i'm gonna ask you hey do you want to watch the pilot of true blood and you're gonna say no and i'm gonna make you do it anyway i love that energy where you're like man if we get high karama's gonna be like do you want to watch the pilot of true blood stone cold sober stone cold sober i will do that blood it's reminding me of me who would be like hey man you want to watch city of god in like 2005 yeah every time city of god um or the pilot of the shield no but like true blood is my show and she was the writer's assistant on true Blood before she was a writer on True Blood. She's been with that show. I was with her the whole time for the whole ride.

There you go. I recently rewatched all eight seasons of The Vampire Diaries. Wow. I am two episodes behind on Grey's Anatomy. I've watched 18 seasons of Grey's Anatomy. I'm really upset with Elizabeth right now. Yeah. Were you familiar with Elizabeth

before this story broke? Did you know her as a name? I did not know her as a name, but when the story broke and I looked her up, I was like, I know her work. Yeah. You're everywhere I want to be. Like your MasterCard or Visa or whatever that thing is. But so when right before she or was

about to start gray's you know she she was saying that she had been through a lot of health stuff and in the writer's room had mentioned she's been through a lot had a very turbulent medical history which the writer's room naturally you know gray's anatomy will take shit from real life inspired by real life and put it into the show and And her stories were not an exception. They heard a lot of the anecdotes that she had. I'm like, wow, can we use some of this for the show? I mean, this is from one of the write-ups. They said, quote, despite being just 44 years old, Finch has seemingly endured a lifetime of ailments and suffering, which helped transform her into an icon of the show. She was diagnosed with a rare form of bone cancer the year before Graze hired

her. She went through several brutal rounds of chemo, which forced her to unfortunately have an abortion. She lost a kidney and part of her leg and then was required to have a knee replacement surgery only to later learn that she had been misdiagnosed by a doctor whom she later confronted. And she's been very upfront about this. She's written like multiple essays in places like Elle Magazine or like the Shondaland website,

but things got got went a little bit sideways when all of a sudden her wife contacted Shondaland and ABC to said, I think my wife may be being a bit duplicitous about like what she's telling you all. So this all happened because like during while Finch was working on grays said that they had to leave for a pressing family emergency that day and couldn't work so that her co-workers concerned phoned her wife asked what was happening they mentioned like what finch had told them and her wife said that the details of what her like what finch said to the writers at grays was eerily similar to her her own very specific medical troubles.

That's the part that gets me because just say this happened to your wife. Just say that it happened to your wife. Right. Graves doesn't care. It doesn't change anything. Right. That's what's so wild when you're like, yeah, so I went, you could, you have just as much proximity as a writer. I'm sure other writers would trust you to being like, oh, you lived through supporting

a person going through this. You didn't just read an article. Please give us some usable, you know, like something that we can we can actually inspire the writing on the show. But yeah, it's odd. So right now, Finch has been put on leave and the people aren't quite sure. But the wife has said because of this, like, thought, like what's happened. She's like now going through a, quote, acious divorce damn so yeah i mean if true you truly are like what was the point of that but i get to i'm in some in creative environment maybe just very misguidedly you think oh this is gonna

make me like indispensable to the show or this will really help me be someone who needs to be part of the show and help me in my career. But damn. What's wild is it feels like she doesn't know the show because of the fact that she decided, if she did lie, if this is true, she decided to lie and say that it was her instead of her wife, because the show is about relationships. The show is about the relationships that you build with your coworkers, with your patients, with romantic relationships. It's about relationships. The show is about the relationships that you build with your coworkers, with your patients, with like romantic relationships. It's about people. It's not just about the medicine.

And having somebody whose spouse is going through this and who like say Meredith, main character, the gray herself, she sees somebody whose spouse is going through this and it reminds her of when her husband Derek died in like season 12 or whenever he died. That is a story that is, I think, very compelling. I would watch it. Yeah.

I mean, this isn't a compelling character for any medical drama is somebody who takes the medical history of a loved one for like selfish purposes. That shit would be. i can see that i i don't watch a ton of grays i've watched a lot of like medical dramas like house scrubs like all the all those shows like so you know where the patient is revealed to like be having like sympathetic ailments based on the ailments of a loved one the other wild thing is just the it's a really interesting like almost like psychological drama of being the spouse and like putting these clues together as it like dawns on you kaiser soze like the end of usual suspects style. You're just like, what the fuck? And then you like go and reread the article that they wrote on, on L.

That's the other crazy part. Cause if she's publishing articles. Right. You're not reading that shit. They're like, nah, you don't need to read that. You don't need to read that shit. Also. You're like, hold up this character on grace.

That's the shit that happened to me with the knee replacement and the misdiagnosis. It's like, yeah, I told him about you, baby. That's what I told him about. Something feels funky here. There is more to this story. Yeah, that's what I think is odd because the idea that you're publishing multiple

essays, all the articles say she's been very vocal about her experiences. So that's why I'm like, is this something, is this more of a divorce? And then the, their people are weaponizing different facts against each other.

All to say, messy place. But it's just the. It is. Yeah. It feels very early in the story for the Hollywood reporter to be reporting it, to be honest. Well, especially.

Because it's like, they just were replaced. They were just placed on administrative leave to pending the investigation and it is a story based on around an acrimonious divorce which those are always real tricky yeah well and also like it's an issue with medical records so it is going to be very difficult for them to do a full investigation because you can't just say like give us all your medical records those are private right that's a real HIPAA violation right but we did want to I did want to talk about it because I feel like this is something like have you guys ever had somebody who you knew through like an online community who had a like big medical drama that turned out to not be true.

Has that ever happened to you? Oh, I've seen from afar like people lie about like a thing, but never like personally where I'm like, damn, I can't believe they fucking lied about all that shit. I mean, I feel like it's a story we see a lot or on Twitter. I feel like random fandoms will be like, guy lied about all like everything like okay yeah yeah that happened back at cracked it was pretty wild oh shit yeah yeah yikes no i don't think i've ever been in that specific experience i have been a part of a lot of large online groups where people have lied about stuff, but never like health stuff, usually financial stuff. And I was in this big Facebook group in LA called Girls Night

Out. And it's like the worst kept secret Facebook group in the world. And it's for women. It's got like 20,000 members. And one of the like main leaders of that group, she ended up getting ousted because she was like, 2020 in june 2020 she was getting donations from people on venmo and she said that she was going to be like redistributing them to women of color and then people were like show us the receipts and she's like oh i will and um and then it took like hours for these receipts to materialize and they had just been purchased like it was like she had just sent the money. There was some shady financial stuff going on.

And she had also said that she wanted money for new protest sneakers. And people were like, you can get your own sneakers. Wow, nice. Protest sneakers. Big swing there. I need new protest sneakers?

Yeah. That's like, wow. Bless them. Bless all of them. Bless them all. All right, let's take a quick break we'll come back and talk about some other stuff i'm jess casaveto executive producer of the hit netflix documentary series dancing for the devil the 7m tiktok cult and i'm cleo gray former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films

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Every Ustream podcast. And we're back. And it's time to get to yet another life hack. It seems like it is like makes life more difficult, but it does get people to be like, oh, they know a life hack. Yeah. So this is cupcake eating hack. Yeah. Hit us, Miles, because this is this comes from eyewitness testimony.

Okay, so a couple weeks ago I was at a birthday party for a friend, and someone made cupcakes, and they came out. One of the guests very confidently just tore the fucking thing in half and inverted it on itself. So tore it in half, like the cake was torn in half, like along its equator, like around the. Right. It's not torn in half, like down the middle. No, no, no. It's like you rip the top off or the base of the cupcake off and then just flip it over and smush the frosting on top.

So it's like a sandwich. So the bottom of the cake is the top of the sandwich the icing is the middle and then like a rumpled top half of the cake is now the bottom of the cupcake yeah and i was like okay and they were like yeah it's like there's like you don't need this is like the way to eat cupcakes and i was like no and then on the takeout the food blog we love so much on the show they posted a thing about anne hathaway was like on ellen or some talk show and also being like this is how you eat a cupcake ripping it in half inverting it on itself and it's like it's so clean and it's so neat and i i'm just i don't like this is not genius to me it and i will say this the person who i saw doing demonstrating the

hack they had cake all over them so i completely missed the part where they were like this is a hack it's aside from i don't know you're like you're just getting icing all over the place i don't know this is me being an old head and that's why i bring it to this council i don't know. This is me being an old head, and that's why I bring it to this council. I don't understand what problem it's supposed to be solving. Okay. They'll be like, oh, you get frosting all over your face when you have, like, you know, just frosting, you know, stacked, like, eight inches off the top of a cupcake, and you bite into it, and now, like, you're from your eyebrows down to your chin. It's, like, inundated with.

Classic. Okay. Yeah. But, like, that's not a thing I've had an issue with. I know how to fucking finesse a cupcake. Yeah. Also, where are they getting the cutting tool?

Okay, so you're carrying a knife. I think they're ripping it. Brute force with your hands. I think your hands are going to be sticky. That's why I don't understand when you say that Anne Hathaway says it's a very clean process. Anne Hathaway is out there in the streets tearing the ass off a cupcake?

Right. Yeah. Mangling them in front of children and then saying it's a clean way to eat? Yeah. I don't know. People point out too, like, you know, what happens when you're eating a sandwich inevitably, you're going to displace the frosting when you bear down with having the cup

the cupcake bottom on top this the frosting has some needs somewhere to go and that's probably out the damn sides yeah you're displacing for sure i just don't this is i don't know and this comes from somebody who as a kid i would eat eat the paper from the cupcake just to kind of get the last bit of flavor off of it as a kid. Oh, Lord. Because I'm like, that's great. That should really. Oh, yeah. You're leaving money on the table if you're not getting a little bit of bite out of that cupcake.

Yeah. That's how I always saw it. You're leaving money on the table. Yeah. You're just leaving money on the table, baby. Kyle, you worked at a cupcake shop, right? I worked at a cupcake shop for many years. I worked in the back.

I decorated cupcakes for all kinds of events. And this was never a practice that I saw at that cupcake shop. Did you ever see anyone? Have you heard of this? Have you seen this? I've never heard of this. It makes me believe that this is a new trend. This was never a thing the one thing that i

the one thing that i did hear about was like sometimes i worked there at a point where they had like cupcake toppers where like they baked like the top of a cupcake top of cupcakes and then put frosting in the center but But it was never us tearing anything. Right. Yeah, why would you introduce that to somebody's... I don't know why I got so serious. Yeah, the way you were accessing your memory. My hands came...

Prayer hands. Yeah. My favorite cupcake, Susie Cakes, has a little dig out in the middle where they add extra icing. If you tried this shit with one of those, you would have a disaster on your hands. You would just have a ball of icing and cupcake that you would have to just shove in your mouth. And you set someone up who likes to do the hack with that. That's what I'm going to do next time.

I'm going to be like, oh, I got some cupcakes. Why don't you do the hack on this one? And then everywhere I'm like, you fool. So when you went to this party with the cupcakes, were they already in that shape or just everyone started doing that? Were they on the platter that had been ripped up? No. No, it was just one person. No, one person just goes, hey, guys, this is how to eat a cupcake.

Okay. Okay, let me ask you this. Did this person start a revolution? Or did everyone ignore that? Or was the response kind of tepid? No, it was kind of one of those things. And I'm sure they don't listen. But, like, everyone's kind of like, yeah, all right.

It was just kind of very quickly dismissed. I was the most curious. I'm'm like why would you do that and not like in a confrontational i was like really trying to understand like am i missing some like key to efficiency here that i'm completely like it's like it's lost on me it's like no it's just easier that way and then like watching their little like like frosting covered fingers as they delicately ate this sandwich-ified cupcake. I was like, you've done nothing. I am going to try this. We talked before

a couple weeks back, one of our guests said that they recommended eating an apple from the bottom up. Rather than a rotational Instead of rotational around bottom up. Rather than like a rotational Instead of rotational around bottom up. From the bottom. We have not been able to

stop talking about that even though I refused to try it. Miles tried it and did not like it. Some of our guests, same deal. This is one that I like even less than that hack, but I will try it because I'm always down to experiment with a cupcake.

I don't mean to be rude, but I hear this and I go, this is a non-problem and you need to get a hobby. Yeah. Right. Anne Hathaway. Also, I'm sorry, Anne Hathaway. I'm to believe that Anne Hathaway is eating

cupcakes all the time. Enough to where she needs a solution. Yes. She's like, there's really a problem here i need to i need to figure this out she's on the set of a big hollywood movie and she's like give me a second i need to figure out this major problem and she has all these cupcakes in her room she's like okay hiya hiya hiya let's get her cupcakes hiya hiya, hi-ya, hi-ya. Let's do her cupcakes. Hi-ya, hi-ya. And then they're like, whoa, Ann, you got to come on set.

You got to share this with the world. I was just like that, yeah. She could be, oh, it was the Kelly Clarkson show. And you go on a show, you're promoting something. You're like, so Ann, let's talk about your new film. No, shut the fuck up, Kelly. Bring those cupcakes out really quick. I got to fucking tell everybody about this problem that we're facing right now.

Oh, the rampant inequality. No, fucking inequality. Shut the fuck up, Kelly. Come on, fucking cupcake. Inequality of distribution of icing and cake. Of icing. Good. Nice setup, Kelly.

Good. All right. You try and eat it like a normal asshole. You see, folks? Good. All right. You try and eat it like a normal asshole. You see, folks? Look. Completely destroying it. Now, watch Anne's perfect method. Oh, man.

See? It's totally clean. They're all doing the Anne over there. Yeah. Right? It does presuppose that the icing is the messy part, but the cake is really the messy part, because it's the crumbly shit that gets all over the place. Now, granted, it's easier to clean up if you have like a little handbag or something.

So maybe that's where they're coming from. No, Jack, who goes? Well, why are we even saying that using a miniature hand vacuum is part of the cupcake eating process? And obviously, because you're going to have your handbag handy. I have a four year old. a miniature hand vacuum is part of the cupcake eating process that's where we're like and obviously because you're gonna have your hand vac handy i have a four-year-old the miniature that makes sense the sixth step on many of many of that's true actually because it's so true all my friends have smaller kids they have like the hand vacuum my one friend busted out a tiny little one that they even a backpack yeah just like the main reason i'm jealous of iron man is because he has that energy source and he could plug in a hand a little hand back and

just carry it around with him at all times a dyson even yeah like really yeah that's the main reason other than that didn't really see anything else that impressed me about this guy but that suit that's a walking vacuum power station hey talking about movies right i mean let let's talk uh it's hollywood's big night oh you know we live in la so we're all you know getting ramped up getting revved up excited for the night that the stars really do come out and shine. The Oscars are Sunday. And there was a little controversy. I know this seems strange for anybody who pays attention to the Oscars, but people did get a little up in arms about something seemingly small with regards to Rachel Ziegler not getting invited to the Oscars.

People said, it's a snub. What happened? You get two tickets, or the studios get tickets to, you know, send whoever they believe is worthy of a ticket. Is this some kind of conspiracy? And you're saying what? In her initial post, she said, I've been trying, but sorry, it doesn't seem like it's happening i'll be watching

the oscars with all of you from my couch so this put visions in everybody's mind of you know the star of one of hollywood's most nominated movies was like one of the great like you know come from she went from like high school plays to a steven spielberg movie everyone's like yes people were now picturing her sitting at home in la well like you know down the block all these studio heads were partying it up so then the oscars reverse course they were like not only are you invited you're going to be a presenter and gawker has been relaunched and this is the shit that they existed in the first place and are re-existing for they they pointed out that this might have been like kind of a bullshit story first of all she was not watching it from her couch she's in London shooting the live action

Snow White I think and so it would have been a massive undertaking for her to like, for them to stop the production, have her fly across the world, fly back at COVID times, which like means that people need to get tested and quarantine and all that shit. So I feel like, you know, and then it's also the Oscarsars are on abc owned by disney she's making a movie for disney so maybe they were just like we're just not gonna invite her right which i think that's where the issue is gawker is like she's a liar like she was

misrepresenting it but like this just makes me think like like, oh, she's going to be good in her career. Well, Disney, though, too, is, you know. Yeah, Disney fucked up. They're notorious for, like, being very on top of money that's being spent. So I'm sure they'd be like, oh, if the star of our film that we're trying to make more money on has to leave production, that's going to clog things up and cost us more money than it would even have. Fine. Whatever. But, hey, Rachel,achel you know glad to welcome to the town uh where the part of town i'll never go anymore and everyone in la has no idea the oscars are happening so it is it is a it is a monumental time when you were setting the story up i'm like the oscars when everyone in la aggressively becomes anti-oscars right yeah kyle and anne are you excited at all i mean i'm looking at these

faces they do not say we are rearing to go to watch the oscars i mean what i gotta say about that part of town is there is a beetlejuice themed bar oh where the... Those Oscars are like by... Oh, on Hollywood Boulevard. On Hollywood, the Kodak. Wow. Yeah, the Beetlejuice bar is right there. So that she could go there. I will be watching from a Beetlejuice themed bar like all of you.

Right. They do like bloodshots. Yeah, we could talk at length about the bar because they do really cool stuff. As far as the Oscars go, I dropped off after, I mean, I was just recently thinking about the

beautiful Moonlight moment. That for me is, of course, that's top Oscar. I think it was the last time I watched an Oscars. Yeah, I maybe took a look since then, but I'm not really in there. Yeah, I maybe took a look since then, but I'm not really in there. Yeah. Yeah, I'm definitely not in there.

Yeah, I'm not really in there. I once went actually to see the limos as like an experiment, just to like see what that... Experimenting with limo watching? I just wanted to see. My friend was doing this like project on tourism. So we dressed up like tourists and went to watch the limos. And people were just making fun of us, but it was like, no, the joke's on you because this is an experiment. Not serious, an experiment. It's so interesting because people line up and watch limos go by but there's

you can't see anything they're all tinted right yeah so you're just like it's just like a spiritual it's not seeing them it's them seeing you it's them yes that's what's weird amazing i mean that kind of makes sense to me because like celebrity is yeah it's like a spiritual proximity like a physical like just physically being there is like they saw me right right right like you don't know who it is seeing you it could be the um it's hollywood it could be the cinematographer who you don't know who it is. Best Boy Grip. Yeah. Key Grip.

You know. Key Grip. Key Art PA. Who knows? I, on accident, one time went to like an Oscar swag thing, like giveaway. I had no idea. My friend was like, do you want to come with me to this thing? She was a journalist.

And so she was invited to this thing. I had no idea what it's for. We went. It was the day. I think it might have been either the day or the day before the Oscars. I had just come from an exercise class and I had wet hair. And I was like, just wearing just like exercise clothes. And then we arrive and it was like people in gowns taking step and repeat photos.

And then we arrive and it was like people in gowns taking step and repeat photos. And it was a swag bag event for like just weed as far as I just weed in general. Just different weed companies came out to you by weed. Yeah, there were just all sorts of weed. There was literally weed for dogs. So then there was a dog representative. A dog in a gown. representative a dog in a gown which you probably fit in more with your wet hair and exercise clothes at a weed giveaway than someone in a fucking ball gown so i mean it was it was crazy people were like really networking and there were charcuterie being passed around. And I was like, I did not know.

Was it with a swag bag situation? Do you go and you just pick up a bag and leave? But or no, you're saying you schmooze a little. You have to schmooze for like five minutes. OK, they're like, oh, let's check you in. And then you go inside the suite. Excuse me. You're in the suite for like a few minutes and you know you're like waiting in line to receive your duffel bag full of i'm sorry but just weed

right right and so yeah you have to you can't be weird and just take your bag you have to like no and then while you're standing in line people come up to you for example with the dog represented and they go might i interest you in some dog weed or whatever so you have you can't be i mean maybe you could be like not for me yeah he's on the prize i'm gonna just take my double bag so did you get the bag i did get the bag you secured the bag and was it good like were the products cool did you feel like they lift the oxidative burden? At a cellular level? That was the thing that we learned about one of the giveaways in this year's Swag Bag. It lifts the oxidative burden at the cellular level.

Wow. Any products like that or just weed? Mostly weed. mostly weed there were there were no there were like take a cbd and thc uh infused massage from this man who'll come to your house there's a variety of things and there were vapes and all this other stuff i'm gonna say something that'll immediately out me as an unpopular guest in your program your ratings are gonna go through the ratings are going to go through the toilet. I'm so sorry. You're going to have to get a plumber in there. Through the toilet.

That's pretty impressive. I'm not even 420 friendly. Oh boy. I just don't even... I can't smoke weed because it just makes me... Honestly, it's me. It makes me too crazy. Me too.

It could be the weed. It's me. The weed is too crazy. Yeah. Me too. It could be the weed. I'm right there with you. It's me. The weed is so nice. The weed is really nice. Please, it's me. It's really me. I don't want to ruin it for you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you got basically a useless bag of nothing. My friend didn't tell me it was a weed thing. Right, right, right. She just said, come with me. And presumably your friend knows you well enough to be like, Anna does not fucking with weed. Absolutely. And yet they're able to double bag on weed.

Now our focus is on this friend. Yeah. Yeah, it's a controversial friend. Yeah. Okay. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show.

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