The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 220 (Best of 4/4/22-4/8/22)

Episode Date: April 10, 2022

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I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry.

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That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the

making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza.

Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Please welcome Mr. Blake Wexler. Hey, everybody. This is Blake Wexler, a.k.a. I smell wax and chaos here. Joe Wells lounging in Jack's chair. Why's Blake cast in mischievous stares in zeit's chair. Wise Blake cast in mischievous stares in Zite's direction. Miles, this surely

is a dream. Yeah. Dig it. On the top of the dome. Isn't that what he says after? Doesn't he throw in a random dig it? Dig it. Oh, there's a dig it in there. I didn't want to take that many liberties. For me, I don't have the confidence for a dig it. But yeah, Marcy took a dig it in there i didn't want to take that many liberties and uh for me i don't have the confidence for a dig it but yeah marcy took a dig it for sure what is what was marcy

playground story do we know great question like was that like a playground they played at i know like i remember going up the the rumor lincoln park was called lincoln park because they wanted to be near limp biscuit when you're like at tower records rifling two cds wouldn't be but i don't even know if that's true this was in the era of all of the bad rumors that were word of mouth i think marcy playground wanted to be near macy gray i think is why they did it so do you guys want the wikipedia answer do you want to keep just throw it i guess okay the band is named after the marcy open grade school in minne, which is the alternative school John Wozniak attended. Oh, okay. So it's relevant.

Yeah, he chose the name because many of his songs were inspired by his childhood. Oh, I like it. There's some depth there that I didn't see coming. I like that. Blake, what's new? How have you been since the last time, since last we spoke? I like that. Yeah, right? Blake, what's new? How have you been since the last time, since last we spoke? Since last?

Things have been so, so, so good. And now, since watching your hiccups, I honestly have, it's weird because I, Joelle was very sweet and said what I do feel in my heart. But I also do see it as a disadvantage for you and a way for me to assert dominance dominance in a conversation so everything i say you're like whoa really that sounded smart folks you guys believe this guy he's the host you know like how a good guest tries to do assert dominance just every time it's like i'm sorry i wish i could take this what the point you're trying to make about katansi brown jack, you know, like have it connect. But it just sounds so jokey with your cartoon hiccups.

Yeah. Also, I wasn't listening. We're good. So we're good. No, I think we've made it. I think we've crossed the Rubicon into non diaphragm local bulls spasms bill. OK, both terms are like kind of jarring where hiccup is a very jarring term to hear like audibly. And then diaphragm spasms also gives you like, like kind of makes you recoil when you hear it. You know, they're both a little over the top. Yeah. Diaphragm spasm does feel like, like some kind of like you're on your way to death.

Like if you're like, and then they had the diaphragm spasms that's like right before the death rattle is right exactly first you cough really quietly into a white handkerchief and there's a little blood and then the next step is he's got the diaphragm spasms yeah where's your handkerchief that you usually carry around with you my little blood handkerchief your blood chip there there was a tweet i forget like maybe a year ago that someone wrote that was just so funny about how how gentle people are with that cough into the white handkerchief in the film it's always like just so light and then it's like no no yeah that slow reveal of like oh it's tuberculosis you got the burks

you got the burks right you got the burks fam joel you're right the slow reveal makes it because if it was the other like yeah it's a horror movie now you're horrified but this way you're like oh right oh no oh no it's just a cough and now now they're gonna die oh tragedy yeah they're just like or they're going up as flighty stairs are you okay papa i'm fine you you go ahead you go ahead they wipe their mouth insert shot bloody handkerchief papa's in trouble anyway uh let's tell the people i have more to say on this i think that like also with the the handkerchief thing it is funny that they do tuck it away you know where they don't tell anyone. They're like, oh,

no, no, no, I'm fine. No one's ever, I'm bleeding out of my mouth. I'm bleeding. Guys,

I'm bleeding. I'm bleeding. Nobody ever draws attention to it. Right. No one's like, oh my God, is this bad? Ew,

ew, look, look, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew,

ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew,

ew, ew, am I contagious? Should I not be around the children? It really should be their first thought. Good point. I'll just soldier on valiantly. Make everyone else in my house sick.

Right. It's like, well, I don't want to look vulnerable because then I'll be a nuisance. I'll just endanger everyone else. That's really wonderful. No, I do want to keep talking about that because you wouldn't just have a bloody cough out loud, scaring everybody, coughing all over like the white tablecloths. People would be nervous. Because I guess, all over like the white tablecloths people would be nervous because i guess is that like the earliest version of hiding your zombie bite from probably yeah right i mean if you think about it like the whole vampirism like that entire genre comes from the victorian era where we're dealing with a lot of new diseases and a lot of death happening right and so yeah it, yeah, it makes sense to me that like out of the horror genre, what comes after vampires is typically zombies. And, and yeah,

you know, they were trying to hide their sickness. We still had to go to work. There was no social help at that time. No, no mutual aid to come in and uplift your family. Oh, you got sick.

Sorry. Your family's on the street. You got to just deal with that. It's just like, oh, you're sick. Oh, what are you? deal with that it's just like oh you're sick oh what are you you're sick you're sick you're sick you're just not chosen him yeah the devil got in him so sorry y'all i'll just say this it's all about preventative care if if

you're coughing blood check speak to a doctor and i and that's not medical advice that's just me watching a lot of movies and being like i bet if they spoke to the doctor this movie would be less interesting but anyway uh let's talk about what it is always a red handkerchief too you know or it's never a red handkerchief it's usually white it would be funny if it was red and it's like guys kid am i is there blood on this i can't is it blood or is it i don't know. Rub it on something white and see if the red comes off. Can I see your white one? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Rub them together. Oh yeah. And then that's an added 10 minute scene of everybody arguing the best way to determine whether or not their red handkerchief does in fact have blood on it. Jessica, we got to ask you, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are. Ooh, search history. So we'll just dive right in.

I recently was searching the term excited delirium, which is something I've been wondering about and thinking about a lot lately because it is a made up diagnosis that has been taught. So I live in Minneapolis and obviously there's been a lot going on in Minneapolis last few years. And excited delirium is a,

is a made up diagnosis that has been taught to the Minneapolis police by one of our health systems. And the idea of excited delirium is that, so this is a diagnosis that is not recognized by the American Medical Association. But what the idea is that you can become so worked up and so agitated that your body, you go into lactic acidosis, your body becomes like highly acidic and it can be fatal. and it can be fatal. And so police are taught that excited delirium is something that they should be looking out for when they're interacting with the community, interacting with citizens. But what happens is that because they are taught this diagnosis, when they see someone really agitated, they think excited delirium, I have to restrain this person. This is dangerous. And then the restraint itself

can be a complication that leads to death. And this is used much more against African-American men, restraint and the diagnosis of excited delirium. And so I've been, you know, sort of trying to research it, figuring out what's going on right now with the Minneapolis police being taught this. They were we were told that they weren't that they had stopped teaching excited delirium. But then recently it came out that they this health system was actually still teaching people about excited delirium. They had just renamed it agitated delirium. So to kind of get around the ban on teaching this. it agitated delirium. So to kind of get around the ban on teaching this. So is that more of a way to justify like more aggressive ways of restraining people? Or is it are they trying to like preempt some kind of like liability if someone is act potentially? Like,

what's the logic from the law enforcement side of even bothering to like, just like, distribute this information to their officers? bothering to distribute this information to their officers. Right. So a lot of them have been taught that this has been information that's been passed down for years, that this is a real thing that they need to be worried about. And that it's a danger. If someone is showing extreme agitation, it's dangerous to their own lives. So in the officer's mind, they are thinking, I need to restrain this person, get them under control so that they don't go into lactic acidosis.

And is that common? Like people dying from lactic acidosis? I mean, it can happen like with marathon runners. It can happen with like extreme exertion. But doctors I've talked to have said, said like you can't tell if someone has a high acid content in their blood just from looking at them just from observing them even a doctor can't tell that that's that's the thing that is it's amazing how because you know i the first when i first heard you say this and you said they were teaching the cops this, basically, the first thing that I thought of was, oh, this is just another targeting thing. They're going to use this to target Black people, people of color, less fortunate people. They're going to marginalize people. This is a targeting tool, right? tool right and it's amazing how many professions that they will give cops to give them the right

to hurt people you ain't a fucking doctor what the hell you like how can you oh oh that person right there has excited delirium which i just learned about two weeks ago i can get the fuck like what what it makes no sense but it it is not surprising because right they will talk about or give credence to anything if it can lead to the ability to target marginalized and oppressed individuals and groups and it's very disappointing and there's this also this element to it where you're like, the thing we see with law enforcement is they're constantly taught all these ways to put things in your subconscious that a person you're talking to is about to kill you. Yeah. Or as an immediate threat, whether that's like the warrior mentality, a warrior approach of law enforcement officers that we see being taught,

which is like, you're not there to serve and and protect you're there to fuck people up in case they get out of line and you always have to be on your guard because you are a warrior and now you're only facing enemy combatants out in the field or whatever that this seems like another way a very insidious way to just almost use someone's sense of helping somebody to justify get like you're saying to keith like turning the turning flipping the switch to like violent a violent interaction totally and then the you know the sort of horrible irony of it is that then if someone does die in police custody well it was excited delirium right that is then as an excuse. It's used as an excuse both to restrain or to inject someone with ketamine in the case, you know, in Minneapolis.

This is something that has happened a lot in Minneapolis. Inject someone with ketamine. And then if the person, you know, dies in police custody, then it can be blamed on this made up diagnosis of excited delirium. Right, right, right. Oof. That is. I have never, I never heard of this until you just said it. Right, right, right. as you know the little bumper sticker they put on their vehicle says that there are so many terms

that they don't let us know about right you know they can do all these things and then after the fact we're like well there's this thing called excited delirium that we you know we look for and it's just like what like why not why not bring that out why not be if that's something that you're really looking for then that should be be, you know, bullet point one, two, three. These are the things the public should know. And they're not. I mean, the public does know, I guess, because, you know, you searched it, but it's not readily available. Like, you know, most of us have never heard this. And it's not like you need a PSA for, you know, the excited delirium because it's such a problem.

But yet again, it just throw it on the pile of, you know, racist medical myths that we've used over the years to, you know, whether it's prohibiting drugs or not giving proper medical care to people of color. Just so many, so many ways to trick your brain to just continue down the path of just discriminating or treating people a certain way. Jono, what's something you think is overrated? Overrated would be getting married in your 20s. I recently got married in my 30s. And I got to say, the gifts you get way better. I remember giving people wedding gifts back in the day when I was in my 20s. My normal friends were getting married. I'd go to Goodwill, get a bunch of plates, anything I could find there. I got one of my best friends a trophy for his wedding. And I'm sure, what good did that ever do?

But now, my friends and family have upgraded my kitchen. It's just like, I'm doing all the MasterCraft chef's things now with all my new knives. I got good cookware. I just drank some nespresso from my little big virtuo thing it is nice i gotta say wait miles just got married what's the best gift you got oh shit the best thing you know honestly it's a set of cutting boards i really wanted good fucking cutting boards i had the same fucked up like wood block from ikea i've been rocking around for ages and i just can't really do work and i saw this shit these like

cool like post consumer made pressed board like things that you could put in a dishwasher fucking anything it was a super strong i have like five different sizes see and you know i fuck with it because i'm already like and i got my cutting boards and i think that is the difference right because i totally feel you john on the point of like in my 20s my half the time i'll be like yo motherfucker i'm broke as shit like i'm here okay like y'all had a destination wedding and i'm here okay i got i'll hook you up with some weed when we get back in town me wearing a suit is the gift right exactly or like or going in with my friends being like okay we'll go to macy's where their registry is at and we'll each buy one of the hand towels but we'll put them we'll put them both together

from both of us so it looks like at least they got the whole set but it's from two of us there you go but now i think as you get older your actual imagination for the kind of shit that you want expands because you you're living a little more if i got married in my 20s i would have asked for a volcano vaporizer i'm serious that's all i would be like that's it i don't need anything else. I'm like, I have plastic plates and shit. I don't. I'm good. Now I got nice drinking glasses. You know, what was the nicest thing for you, Jonah?

I mean, the thing I was most excited about was these knives. I got the Gustav Classic set. Oh, I mean, I cut my fingers so deep when I cut now. It's like the bone, baby. Yeah. Unless you're giving yourself a lac laceration you don't have good enough knives you're just getting a surface cut i feel like i gotta find a friend to like go in on a scheme be like girl we gotta get married and then we'll just divide the gifts afterwards and go our separate ways yeah we don't have to tell anybody but i could use a kitchen upgrade is all i'm saying man you

could you could really scam some people. Just give yourself a fake destination wedding and invite everyone you know. And just say, if you can't make it, here's our registry. It's fine. And then just go to Hawaii. It's a one-month journey to the venue. But no pressure, obviously. Most people can't come.

Aside from the gifts, do you think there's any advantages to getting married in your 30s aside from your 20s yeah i mean like you just know you're not you know who you are and everyone else in their 20s is still figuring it out so like you know you can like have a better starting point for your relationship where you're not just like yeah but i mean like are do you know how you how you do the chores do you know how you process your emotions all that stuff is like you like okay i i have a better starting place i'm not like in the wilderness with like my own shit right before before my wife or husband or spouse at any point has to figure it out for me right yeah i mean still you know i still we all we're all growing still to this day but of course it is it is easier i would

be an absolute mess if i got married 10 years ago oh yeah i would have i mean we would have probably got we probably would have split up before the wedding because we would have fought about gifts on the register right like i would have been so juvenile and adolescent about it like i probably would have like crossed a bridge by saying something stupid and like the fight like why do we even need that like you can't even cook and don't even act like getting this new pot says gonna fix that i i need the cutting boards then i would have found my ass my mom again she's like oh you're moving back in i'm like yeah mom she doesn't fucking get it but yeah i don't know i think there there is there is something uh a little bit more advantageous uh i guess you do know yourself

that's why i'm always blown away by people who are like high school sweethearts i'm like y'all really made it through like your fucking late 20s for real that's crazy especially now because like my grandma did that when she was 19 she like snuck out her window and eloped to the boy who's her next door neighbor and they met in like first or second grade oh my god and they like snuck back into their windows at the end like their separate windows at the end of the night and didn't tell anybody for like a week or two but you know back in those days like divorce nearly unheard of you know what i mean like you're like we well we did it so we're in it and everyone had like stress stress-based chronic illness different eras we're in now for sure that's so romantic though damn you're over here

she eloped with the neighbor boy i'm like like, what is this? Some fucking Disney stuff. Yeah. So stinking cute. They're adorable. That's and that's the other thing. It's always like cute. There's never they're like, man, it was fucked up and we just toughed it out together. Like typically it's like they're exceptional relationships.

You're like, I was in love with him since third grade. Yeah. You don't see the struggles after that, though. That's the warmer movie version of it. It was like, where they won the war, and then also they had to deal with a bunch of PTSD afterward. Right, exactly. And they just raised a family, no problems.

No problems at all. He sorted it out. My best friend from elementary school did that too. When she was in second grade, she picked out a kid and she was like, I want to marry that kid. And then she did. They got married when she was 20? Yeah, because she was in second grade she picked out a kid and she was like i'm gonna marry that kid and then she did whoa and they're still they got married when she was 20 yeah she was having her first baby like a couple days after her 21st birthday just nuts it was nuts four kids now hey what's the secret aside from just being more afraid of being alone than being together forever what is the secret please let

us know secretly just flame everybody solve the human struggle for us right that was honestly you're like yeah i'm salty because that's how i used to always that that was miles used to be the salty loner guy who's like i don't get this shit because i was like i haven't sorted out my own parents divorce yet so i was more just like looking outside of myself like that's the problem over there i'm like therapy what huh oh oh thank you i need to i need to do some forgiveness okay got it anyway shout out to dr shemitra my therapist i know i haven't seen you in a minute but that's because you're the shit you know what i mean dana what's something you think is underrated oh um i think like the broad multi-camera

sitcom that people on the coast don't watch but that the midwest loves i love like just like the cheesiest broadest sitcom on the planet like and everybody loves raymond like i think like and obviously those aren't actually underrated they're like they are properly rated they're hugely rated but like i think they're underrated in like cool communities and i really like them i've been re-watching like two and a half men obviously you know some problematic elements but oh what happened is is everything cool with john wolf what's that guy's name what's that guy's name john What's that guy's name? John something.

That was the bad guy of the two, right? Isn't Charlie's? Stop. What happened with Charlie Sheen? I don't know. Stop it. Wasn't he canceled for something? Oh my God.

Charlie Sheen's canceled? I don't know. I actually don't know. I'm just saying things. I have a lot of signed major league DVDs that I'm going to have to get rid of soon

if he is canceled that i actually have no idea i really don't know he is no but i love it so i'm joking um wait so all right so you're saying the classics like you're dusting off the classic sitcom or do you even see any like what you're seeing now i'm literally saying like you multi-cam sitcoms too like that no one watches like the neighbors on cbs or whatever wait what's that about exactly the neighborhood it's like it's like a it's a multi-cam with like max greenfield and like cedric about exactly the neighborhood it's like it's like a it's a multicam with like max greenfield and like cedric the entertainer and it's like it's like just the broadest multicam about a white family moving into a black neighborhood and it's not great but i'm

like there is something about it that i'm like it's doing something it's filling a void right you know it's filling a void like the way you talk about it you it sort of reminds me of how i talk about terrible christmas romance films that come out of hallmark where it's like yo dude the worse the better yeah no yeah yes i think i think like as the more the more like multicam like the more that you could make fun of it for being stupid the more i like it got it got it got it got it so i mean i guess that's the other thing too like there's a comfort in like really predictable like writing also i love a laugh track i'm like tell me when i laugh tell me okay wait so okay what's if you're gonna put somebody onto a sitcom right now what would you what would you recommend um honestly i'm like i'm just telling everyone

i know to watch rewatch two and a Men. And they don't like it. And they're like, they're like, stop telling me to watch that. It's the F-Bass to Charlie Sheen of it all. Is that right? And it's fucking dope. Okay, cool. Watch Abbott Elementary. Oh, yeah, definitely.

Actually, but Abbott Elementary is like, like good. That's single cam. Like, that's like, this is what I'm, different than what I'm talking about. It's like, that's good. We're talking. That's not what I'm talking about. That kind of shit. I'm talking about like, it's like yeah we're talking that's not what i'm talking about i'm talking about like uh it's like an opiate for your brain like you're literally like it's like you feel like you're on santa you know yeah i call that listen no i call that depression tv yeah i am way into it uh my depression tv was friends for a long time

i don't really like anybody on that show as a human being like not the actors are fine but like the characters you know difficult human beings would not want to live with but man something about that show was just like i'm gonna get through the day and it's gonna be fine it's gonna be okay and once you watch a show so many times now you know the beats of it and when you can start saying the lines with yeah like it's time to get out of bed i have to go do something that's how i was with the office and i was like like the the uk and american version of the office i would i would like sing i would like i could like like you're saying you know the beats of it to the point like i think i'm just listening to music now no no no the office is music i mean the office is like i can do a karaoke to every episode of the office right you know like yeah

like a man on hinge i'm like wow i can really i know every episode of the office right you know like yeah like a man on hinge i'm like wow i can really i know every line of the office i don't know what it is about it i don't know what it is about it although recently there was that episode where um someone took a dump on michael in michael's office and on the carpet and he says this thing where i'm like i've always been like you know since like you know we've been more aware of like ignorance in workplaces and more sensitive to it, like especially after 2020. I'm like, Michael Scott rubs me in such a fucking like the wrong way. Like, it's weird how my relationship to Michael Scott has changed over the years. I'm like, this motherfucker is the exact problem with all these.

But isn't that the point? It is. Yeah, it is yeah it is but i think i've i then i've i shifted to this place of like i don't know how funny sometimes like even benign ignorance can be to me anymore but it's but it's like it ebbs and flows because other times i watch it i'm like this shit is so stupid i love it but i so in my mind like when people always talk about you know they always speculate like what would the office be doing now or whatever i'm like dude this guy would be such an alt-right person and then in the in the fucking episode he's like i love joe rogan he brings up fear factor and he goes pretty much love anything joe rogan does and

i was like okay there's exhibit a yeah i mean that's that's who michael scott is for sure i mean i always think about the episode where he pretends like they have to stay an extra hour because of something corporate wants them to do just so we can like make sure that they all come to his party right because he's like well i know that you thought you're gonna stay late so you have you don't have any plans you have to come to my party right yeah and i'm like that's so funny and crazy that's sick and still no one comes to his party or i mean one of my favorites uh was this dwight's date to the dinner party that he wasn't invited to okay anyway this anyway, this is not an Office podcast. We actually have that.

It's called The Office Deep Dive with Brian Baumgartner on the network. So check that shit out, not this one. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back after this. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and L.A.-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview dancers,

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called fox news i think we've all i think it's safe to say without saying but i will just for the purposes of clear communication that we're all pretty clear on how partisan uh the news has become over the last few decades and And, you know, we've seen the effects that it has not only on like just the voting population and, you know, what sort of the political views people have, but also like because of that has caused a lot of chaos, even within families where people are like, yep. You know, people regularly say like lost my uncle to Fox News or like my Fox News family or, you know, my family's a Fox News family. We've all heard this. And, you know, a lot of people,

again, because of this, we've seen how sort of this sort of Fox News radicalization process can take hold over time. And not to say that watching enough MSNBC doesn't do something to you, too, because it does. You see that when people aren't bothered by real things that are happening in real time in front of their faces. But these two researchers just published a study on what they call partisan coverage filtering, which is basically that if you're like a particularly partisan news outlet, you're going to basically selectively report on things. Because if it's fucking up the narrative that you need to keep your listener viewers or

whatever in check to be going along with, oh, what the gop is then yeah you're not going to report on the bad shit because that's going to completely threaten this sort of worldview that you're trying to create and you know again this is all this does is create a person who's now operating in a reality who has a biased set of facts that they're operating from and how they look at the world so for fox viewers i you would say that that biased set of facts that they're operating from and how they look at the world. So for Fox viewers, I would say that that bias set of facts would be something like that COVID isn't that serious, that masks don't work, that Trump was one of the most effective presidents, Democrats let like looters run their cities, and white people are the most vulnerable group on the planet Earth. Those are that's sort of like the general sort of nonstop flow of bias information that you get out

there. So these researchers wonder, well, what happens if you just switch someone's media diet in the other direction? Does this have any effects? And the simple answer is yes. So this is how they sort of did this study. Of the 763 qualifying participants, they randomized 40% of the 763 qualifying participants they randomized 40 of the treatment group so the other 60 weren't like 100 red till i like i bleed my eyes are red my hair is red i'm so red i'm gop

jackie whatever you these people are full-blown fox brain people so then what they did was to change their slant of their media diet quote, we offered treatment group participants $15 an hour to watch seven hours of CNN per week during September 2020. So this is in the lead up to the fucking election. Okay. And they then they were prioritizing the hours at which like if the participants that they basically said, if you're normally watching Fox News at that time, we'll give you $15 to watch CNN instead. And then at the end of it, we're going to kind of survey you, ask you questions about what you're seeing and what the information is that you're sort of taking in. And what they did is, quote, at the three-day mark, the viewers took a survey and they found, quote, large effects of watching CNN instead of Fox News on participants' factual perceptions of

current events, like their beliefs and knowledge about the 2020 presidential candidates they discovered changes in attitudes about donald trump and republicans as well as a large effect on their opinions about covid they even then went on to articulate observations that were essentially like oh so fox just won't cover anything about trump if it's bad and they're saying like oh this is something new now this is i don't know that i don't know what i don't know what to make of this i know jokingly people are like oh well there's your there's the democrats midterms fucking strategy is just pay people to not watch fox and sure maybe that could be a weird subtle unemployment plan for Fox viewers to be like hey we'll give you some money if you just watch CNN a couple hours just a little bit just

to see where that goes but I don't know I don't know does this does this resonate with with uh either of you or in general yeah I think I'm trying to recall um this is sad what's the school shooting after Sandy Hook the one in Florida uh uh marjorie stoneman douglas yes there a kid from there was talking about like how he had to move out of his father's house because his father started to believe that school shooting that he survived right was fake right which is like i mean i think really goes to show the the power of television and really these news networks and their ability to corrupt and and persuade people to believe that whatever they're saying is the truth and i mean we talked a little bit yesterday about the ways

communities sort of insulate people and makes it comfortable to stay there and i just wonder if there's a way like it just seems to me that the only way to stop fox news from continuing to just out and out lie to folks is for the government to come in and be like we do have to pull your funding because just from a factual rate like you guys are no longer a news program you're entertainment that's something that was talked about a long time ago. And so like maybe seven or eight years ago, like, you know, a lot of news sources are, you know, get funding or tax breaks or whatever,

because, you know, it's an essential part of our democracy is that people have access to the press. And then, you know, but then that's obviously a slippery slope of like, you know, we can barely agree on slippery slope of like just you know we can barely agree on facts anymore anyway right but yeah i guess i guess if you can you know i've heard of people being clever enough to like block fox tv on their parents television on their grandparents television on that weird uncle's television you know i would like to see more of

that get proactive with your families start to do as i like to say so yeah if you can go in there and block that channel and be like well you know cnn's right there maybe they've got some information you can use today they're like no i can't it's all crap and they're gonna just talk nonsense about my president they'll go to youtube and fall down entirely different terrifying oh god yeah you you inadvertently are like, well, I turned that spigot off and they went to go drink from the toxic cesspit. How many things can we block in this house?

Do we just unplug everything so they can't watch it? I'm putting child parental locks on all of it. I mean, that's what other people do is like, they'll put probably, they'll restrict websites for their parents or put the parental locks on the things and then just like play dumb when it comes to me like fox won't come on the tv anymore like i don't know yeah i don't know you gotta

call your cable provider you might have it yeah in which case they'll probably be like are your kids trying to fucking keep you from hearing the good word but i mean yeah like to your point about the power of television it really is like we so many people are entranced by this you know the spectacle of the television you know and that everything that emanates from it is somehow the truth and people like it's the same thing with the internet there are a lot of people like well if it's on the internet like it's and people are saying it so forcefully like there must be some like shred of truth to it in the same way. Like, well, if this person's on TV, like they don't just let anybody on TV that it has. There must be a shred of truth to that.

But yeah, it is really frightening. Like you're saying that example of like you're you're even looking at something that your your child lived through. But because of the like you're just being constantly bombarded with this kind of messaging you're like i don't know maybe my kid's trauma is a lie he's an actor that they paid to treat like the level of of mental gymnastics you have to do to stop believing that your own child survived a shooting in your own neighborhood like you i mean unfortunately now we've all lived through a tragedy where you're hearing sirens from everywhere where you're getting calls where you're on social media like we know what happens when tragedy strikes it's very like clear cue so

it's very you know challenging for me to believe that this guy didn't actually live through the event and then get so brainwashed he was like what i experienced didn't actually happen that is bizarre that is I'm sure there's words but it's broaching crazy how many layers are there too I mean I don't know I mean like this is I'll give this person the goodwill of thinking they maybe thought they were a good parent and maybe there's some level

of guilt that their kid was exposed to that that they're in denial of that turns out I'm not excusing it but I'm just trying to figure out I'm trying to figure out how you go from like oh my kids all shook up to nah it's so scary i think that like so much of empathy is humanizing the people that you might have a differing view of and you know when these people turn on cnn it's like oh these aren't lizards you know what i mean like these aren't lizards you know what i mean like these aren't these are actually human beings with like heartbeats who like you actually

can add a human face to the other side of like what they're used to hearing and it's like oh no these are people like me i'm not exactly like but like it's enough to be like, oh, it's not bat shit crazy that the fact that there's a virus. They don't have lizard skins. When I think that was the thing they saw in the research was just hearing over and over like a measured thing from people who were like doctors be like, yeah, it's really important to keep yourself safe rather than the other side of me like, Fauci's lost it. I mean, he's the new Dr. Mengele. You're like, what the fuck? That probably will put you in a different posture when you're trying to understand or process information. So, I don't know.

If only it were that simple. Just to be like, just watch CNN and then you'll be indifferent about racism. So, you can get it any way you live, basically, when you're watching that good old TV. You can get it any way you live, basically, when you're watching that good old TV. Speaking of overlords, I want to check in with Howard Schultz, who is the on-again, off-again Starbucks CEO, as I mentioned earlier. And he is, again, he's fighting for his corporate overlord life right now. The historic unionization of a Starbucks in Buffalo was a high point for people who are actually invested in labor rights and equity. But if you're in the C-suite of a publicly traded company, it looked more like when the spaceships from Independence Day pulled up.

Like where they're looking at that and they're like, ah, they're trying to fuck us up. And that was and that's why we see so much money going into union busting and fucking with people who are trying to organize unions in their workplaces. So he was so concerned. Right. He came out of retirement to try and reason with the people with some of these employees in Buffalo. This was back in November when we covered it. There was that clip of him like likening like the unionizing workers to like people in the Holocaust who are sharing a blanket to like keep themselves from not dying in the freezing cold. And he's like, and that's what we try and do at Starbucks is share the blanket as a way to be like, so you don't have to unionize. We're like, I'm sorry, who are the Holocaust victims in this metaphor?

Exactly. What are you saying? So that obviously went to the sound of crickets. Those workers successfully unionized. And, you know, this is like the thing that a lot of people who are, you know, who are OMG afraid of unionizing, they see places like Starbucks that have so many locations that if slowly they begin to unionize more and more, that a company that hires so many people has like such a sort of baseline for what is equal pay that affects fucking everyone else in the space that's why you see so much money being poured into it because down the road they're like then i have to make less monies so when that didn't work

he returned to his post as as ceo and he's been you know i, presumably because he thinks he can keep the unionizing from happening. And he had another employee roundtable discussion again recently. And my God, this is him getting, you know, we want to get to, I don't see, you're not employees. We're partners. You guys are partners. Even though you don't have any stake in the profits of this place, we're partners, right? And he wanted to just kind of let everybody know all the cool stuff that's happening at starbucks basically as a way to sort of say like we're gonna stop he said we'll stop doing stock buybacks and we're actually gonna pour that money back into

the company they're like making better stores maybe wages who knows won't say that explicitly and just you know making things nicer for starbucks as it is the people again were so fucking bored at this event that then he goes on to be like okay that didn't work what else can i get these these like really poor working people how can i get them excited about the future of starbucks listen to this fucking pivot okay how many people have followed what has been happening with NFTs? They're long. Nervous laughter. How many people have participated in investing in NFTs? We're poor bitches. How are you doing?

Okay, for now. Okay. So if you look at... I try to be a student with all this, not being a digital native. If you look at the companies, the brands, the celebrities, the influencers that are trying to create a digital NFT platform and business,

I can't find one of them that has the treasure trove of assets that Starbucks has from collectibles to the entire heritage of the company. So not any entertainment industry with solidified characters, art, stories, way, way backed up has more than, I sorry the drink company starbucks right you sound like an idiot and that's just on a business level amblin amblin entertainment as a production company has more exploitable ip in fucking starbucks but again this is what he was saying he was dangling he's like wouldn't that be sick like y'all like starbucks is gonna start doing nfts how the fuck does that benefit these people and what the fuck did you think they were gonna be like ah finally because what he'll he'll pivot

to and you know who's gonna get first first swipe at those nfts y'all the partners that is what's wild to me is these you know millionaire, billionaire CEOs coming to talk to folks who make one one twentieth of their salary a year, you know, and not ever sitting down to actually address these issues, but like talking to them like they're at a board meeting. You know, it just it doesn't compute at all to their daily lives. You're not at all addressing their needs or concerns. You're just adding frivolous things to a company that they genuinely don't care about. Here's the thing you need to understand. If you're paying your employee minimum wage, if you're paying, and most likely, if you're paying your employee $10 over minimum wage, they don't give a shit about your company. They don't care. It's not a family to them. They don't have the time. They came in here to make

sure their kids could eat. Right. It's from the last story where it will be criminal to not have a job that's those are the stakes that's why i'm here not because i love you howard even if they really enjoy making their little latte foam art or you know this starbucks is a hub in their community and people come in and use the internet and it you know that feels warm and fuzzy to them like even if those things are true it's still most likely not their dream place you know most of them are not like oh i can't wait to open a starbucks of my very own like they literally just came here to work and when we make it so that you know our jobs have to support our health care when our jobs have to support us past retirement then it's important that jobs do those things.

Like you really can't have it both ways of being like, well, we don't want the government to like support people independently. You know, they got to work. But we also aren't going to make it so that workplaces have to support people in a way that is realistic. No. And please don't unionize and make us have to actually honor those, honor that relationship where I'm telling you we're a family. And this is the thing, even though the NFTs thing didn't fucking, everyone laughed at that one. He then just fully takes the fucking mask off and hits people with his assessment of what workers fighting to have stable and life-sustaining wages looks like. Unionizing. This is his unionizing uh

take here's where it gets a little sensitive because i've been coached a little bit but i do want to talk about something pretty serious we can't ignore what is happening in the country as it relates to companies throughout the country being assaulted in many ways by the threat of unionization. Oh, you can't assault a person. Literally using the word assault for that is actually truly so absurd. Someone coached him to say that. No,

I think he was coached to not say that. Please don't think he should buy himself. No, I think he was coached to not say that. They're like, please don't say this. They're like, oh, we said don't avoid the word assault. And then you ascribed that to, you're saying a multi-billion dollar entity was being assaulted by people seeking equity?

Wow. Wow, wow, wow. People wanting to be paid like $5 more an hour i'm like that's like you're crazy like this is the thing right and it makes sense from the perspective of an oligarch like this if you're used to making obscene amounts of money like every fucking hour on the hour anything that fucking threatens that order seems like an existential threat is the same shit you saw with white supremacists deal with anything dealing with equality they they treat that shit as an like existential threat black lives matter oh my god then ours don't you know what i mean

exact same response from someone in a place of you know in the hegemonic class or whatever whatever what have you to be to look at this and say, this is fucking dangerous. This is bad. But also to not have the wherewithal or awareness to you're talking to the fucking people that are looking for a better outcome. And you're saying, like, I don't know if you heard about these fucking poor weirdos that want to like curb stomp starbucks but that's like the super wealthy have this idea that you have to you have to work your way up from nothing and they're really repulsed by the idea that people might start off at a balanced place even though many of them started off like beyond wealthy you know like recently i was offered a gig from somebody who's like yeah i'd have to bump you down to assistant and work your way up this person wealthy their whole existence

born into like family name wealth and i was like as much as i appreciate i guess the offer to come work for you and like i've risen to an executive status i can't go back to it i just literally could not work your way up though that literally cannot can't go back to it. I just literally could not afford it. You gotta work your way up, though. Literally could not afford to go back to, and he was like, oh, well, my current assistant can't afford it either, but she really wants the gig. I don't know what to tell you, bro. I can't be your current assistant.

I can't do what she's doing. And it's just, it's a complete unawareness of what it is to just try to survive. But again, these are the same people who, if you ask them what's a gallon of gas cost you know i read recently that you're mostly impacted by the inflation if you make less than 300k a year i instantly felt called out i was like oh i'm poor cool great wait 300k was the thing that's like like yeah if you make above 300k you're not really

being impacted by the inflation and so that's kind of puts into perspective for a lot of people like oh this is the difference of and 300k is not even touching extreme wealth right no that is it's it's just hard to conceptualize how people could be so upset about, like, maybe you can't afford your second yacht. But, you know, other people are literally just trying to keep an apartment. Every year I'm, like, shocked by the idea of families piling into their car because it has air conditioning and just driving around as a means to keep their families, like, cooled off. Yeah. The disparity is it's unconscionable to come and then talk to these people and play in their face like this. But I'm glad the Internet gets to roast him.

Hold on. And I also think it's like people like him don't know any poor people like he knows no poor people. So it's like that people like that day will say like, no, you know, I used to I used to be I used to be a working guy back in 72. Yeah, I was working with this guy, this feller. He came from Laos in Asia. And we were working together shoulder to shoulder. And he told me how much better it was here in the U.S. And I think about that.

How do I give that to my employees? That's like the weird class awareness that these people pretend to have it's like it's from 60 years ago not pre-credit no pre-credit score yeah like yeah exactly i also like yeah like you used to be able to like rise up a little higher it's like now you can't right i mean it's it's the the playing field is so tilted now. It's very hard to know who actually has a head start because most people look like they're starting from some kind of deficit. But, yeah, you know what? Bezos and Schultz, they've poured a lot of money into busting the unions at their respective companies because, again, that upfront spend of spending millions of dollars now to just even prevent like when you even say,

dude, that four million would have kept those people from wanting to unionize if you just invested in them. They're like, no, no, no, because then I'd have to do it everywhere. If I just do this one four million to completely go outside the bounds of the law to union bust, that's more that's better for my long term goal of making as much money as possible than to have people collectively bargaining for a fair share no join such support your local workers revolution it's happening it's among us yeah it's everywhere that's the thing i'm like you know what i i know they're not liking this because the momentum is definitely uh not with them at the moment it's definitely with the workers and now the people see they can win and the thing is like like kellogg had to find out the hard way we will just stop working

because there's not that much of a difference right the wages will just stop so they're like i can figure it out they're like no i got like we can figure it out there's some shit called mutual aid that uh can help me weather this storm all right let's uh take a quick break and we'll come back to talk about these tickets, man. 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine.

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Megan Thee Stallion. Halsey wore a super dope hat. Right. Oh, oh, oh. Lady Gaga helped SZA with her dress. Why was SZA wearing a tight dress and on with like a nine-foot train and crutches upstairs how she didn't have an act hand to god that was a miracle like we witnessed a miracle last night because any normal person would have fallen down

and busted their neck and the other thing anderson pack was uh cosplaying as which r&b star with that wig i think it was one of the eyes that didn't even come up in my text group. It was like a bowl cut straight. It's like an iconic R&B person's 70s haircut. He kind of looks like fucking, who was Tina Turner married to? Ike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's not him trying to be Ike Turner, right?

ike yeah yeah yeah but that's not him trying to be ike turner right i don't it's caught he's definitely cosplaying as somebody uh which i think is getting a little messy like bruno mars was smoking a cigarette while accepting the award i was like that can't be allowed in that theater it was listen as we said last week we don't really trust the grammys or yesterday yesterday yesterday we were like you can't really trust the grammys uh or yesterday, yesterday, yesterday. We were like, you can't really trust the Grammys. Uh, they don't know who to give awards to. It's really about money slash connections. It's a messy award show.

And that's saying something this year in a year of incredibly messy award shows. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I didn't, I didn't catch the Anderson pack thing.

The other thing I saw was, uh, the two things that first cropped up on my text threads. People have been like, are y'all watching? And I was like, no. And then someone's like, President Zelensky is talking. Oh, that happened too. And I was like, what?

And so I watched it. It's just so, it was like a very, very surreal moment where you have a president of a country who's in the middle of a war trying to fight back a russian invasion where he's being like i hope the people of ukraine know the freedom of those of you on the grammy stage and this guy is talk like he's he's up there just trying to get more people's attention on the atrocities happening in ukraine especially like now we're seeing this news of like the executions of civilians and and more and more like credible allegations of like assault against citizens from like the russian soldiers and things like that that there's like real dark real shit going on and then for that

to happen in like a room full of people who are like least likely to be plugged into geopolitical events it was just like it felt like he had become a meme in that weird way you know what i mean it's like well you got to do something woke and have president zielinski give a quick shout out before lady gaga does some smooth jazz singing it was like the steve steve buscemi is like hello fellow kids yeah it just felt odd like you know it's like it's a very weird emotional juxtaposition of like things. Right. Because like on one hand, people are celebrating their achievements as musicians, as artists. And then this guy comes on is like, yeah, man, the world's really fucked up.

Just so you know, like he said something to the effect of the musicians in Ukraine now don't wear tuxedos. They now wear they wear fatigues and they now serenade the injured soldiers and like you know really powerful yeah like about a minute and a half speech he gave and then just right back into the pageantry it just felt yeah i say totally it definitely feels off but there's also something about how i don't know how many people watch the grammys now but this like i know a lot of people are avoiding the news just as a self-preservation tactic which i understand needing to take that in small doses but i also feel like this is perhaps something that we should definitely not be ignoring and so i understand

like wanting to give that space but i do think there's probably a better way to bring that in and come back out to our like very gaudy paid for award ceremony right i don't i don't know how to do that and also maybe like launch the show with that bit of a downer right also like before we get into anything tonight we want to eat your vegetables first right right exactly exactly yeah then have then have just all the dessert you want like honoring louis ck's comedy album and we talked about this when the okay when the i remember when the nominations came out everyone was like cancel culture who yeah louis ck is over over here getting nominated and winning okay and then winning kanye and marilyn manson kanye featuring marilyn manson win a grammy for their track jail like jail you're like hold on y'all should be in

jail i mean i don't look i don't wish jail on anybody but you know what i'm saying here y'all should be banished from the good places where people go is what i mean to say he was in that's the thing he was banished to Ukraine during wartime. Remember that? Where Louis C.K. was supposed to be performing in Kiev the night of the invasion? Oh, really? I do remember that. It was one of those things where he was supposed to perform there, and they didn't say he was canceled.

And so people thought he was giving a big concert hall performance of comedy as bombs were falling but i think apparently like it wasn't true it was like like yeah of course i was out of there what are you talking about that'd be funny if like zolinski plugged was like my boy louis he visited me during wartime you should all check it out oh this is all getting fucked up don't don't do all that but yeah i mean i think it's just kind of a surreal moment. And then you see all of that weird emphasis. Like the Will Smith, Chris Rock discourse is continuing still with people being like, It's not enough! You've got to slap anybody who talks about it.

Like, that's a new rule. It's like, why would you bring this up here? And now, stop. It's over. I don't want to talk about it anymore. Where's your energy for the Grammys, everybody? You know? Yeah, seriously. Where is's your energy for the grammys everybody you know yeah where's seriously where is where is all the energy for the okay but i'm that's why you you see people exposing

themselves with what they're giving their energy to that's like netflix deciding to put his movie on hold but getting dave chappelle more like wild the one demographic that could benefit from like some moral clarity is like the youth you know it's like teach was like hey there are consequences for your action but like not really yeah exactly exactly it's yeah it's so a surreal moment uh but i did see olivia rodrigo dropped her gram one of her grammys and broke it so i like that's always enjoyable yeah relatable yeah she's gonna get a new one. But I just like just the idea of like, oh, shit.

With so many musicians in that crowd, someone should be able to like re-put together the curb theme song. Just like. Just on kazoos. See, that's what we need. See, that would have been sick. All those musicians. everyone has kazoos you just do these like rousing like 10 000 person renditions of songs and shit i see jono we're we're already producing a better show

oh man and then lastly i just want to touch on this article I was reading in The Takeout that their writer, Angela Pagan, was just pointing out that the article is called Keep These Items Off Your Refrigerator Door. What the fuck? Hold on. Like, is this a real thing? Now, I do want to say before we talk about this, this isn't to say like you'll die if you keep certain food items on your refrigerator door. But it's more so I was educated items on your refrigerator door but it's more so i was educated on what the refrigerator door kind of is right so right now i don't know what i guess let me go around what is every what do people what do y'all have on your refrigerator door okay what items butter sauces any kind of like drink you know lots of cans and or bottled drinks sometimes you know if a carton of you know the oat milk might fit in there parents used to have a fridge that had a gallon milk holder on the side of it which i was like brilliant wait what do you mean crazy wait what's a gallon milk

holder so like the door was structured in such a way that it could hold a gallon of milk in this like square pop out thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Those things. Okay. Sauces, some butter, some egg stuff. What about you, Jonah? What's on your fridge?

So real quick to clarify, when you said it was on the door, I thought you meant like the magnets on the front outside of it. Just saying like your fridge doesn't have the right mindset. Hang in there baby no get something like destroy today okay right start your car throw this creamer in your coffee and get going bish uh it's like that your your your nephew's baby picture isn't cute enough get it your milk's gonna go bad that goes to the side at best yeah the i just keep all my condiments are on the door all my condiments and a bunch of drinks like la croix and and what have you same i'm up all my hot sauces are there my salad my condom like

japanese cooking sauces that i use to turn up my dishes and things that all goes on the door butter but here's this very interesting thing that they were saying that actually things like milk and eggs should not be on the refrigerator door and i'm not saying should not be because you will die because shout out to all of us who have been doing this and i'm fine but the refrigerator door is actually the place that offers the least consistent like cooling that's fair so like the second you open it it's it's getting all of the warm air just washing over it while everything that's on the shelves on the like proper interior of the refrigerator that's where your milk should

go it's where your eggs should go okay that's what you need to put that stuff in there one thing i didn't then this is an interesting debate and I bring this up is this, they point to another article that was all about things that can or can't, don't have to be refrigerated. Ketchup and mustard. Are y'all, do y'all put your ketchup and mustard

in the refrigerator or do you live like you see it at the restaurant where that shit is never refrigerated? Mustards, I tend to freeze barbecue sauces, ketchups not freeze, sorry I put it in the refrigerator I like my mustard sliced

and to like oh my god could you imagine shaving oh like on a microplane yeah like dipping dots of of mustard oh my gosh no i put it in the fridge and then like barbecue sauces and ketchup and stuff is usually in a cabinet

jonah you refrigerate your ketchup mustard or do you yeah i mean because we also like use it i think with restaurants they use like one over like the course of three days like i'm using a thing of mustard and ketchup over the course of three days like i'm using a thing of mustard and ketchup over the course of a year and a half so right right well but you know what they were saying you can still let that shit cook on the shelf really okay i mean it's not a good uh um indicator about what's in ketchup and mustard that it's able to sit at room temperature all preservatives that's all all. But it's perfect. It doesn't go bad. But part of me,

I kind of like cold ketchup sometimes. There's something about cold. I'm weird. See? I'm from Chicago. I don't even touch ketchup. I'm just not familiar with her. But the idea of cold tomato paste. It's cold

sweet goo. It doesn't taste like tomatoes. Come on now. It says red sugar goo that we put on our food. I mean, I know it's absolute criminal to have ketchup on a hot dog, obviously. And I know that's where that sort of

hostility towards ketchup emanates from in the great state of Illinois. But you're saying because of illinois but is you're but you're saying because of that that's generally just puts you off to catch up on anything like i'm not a ketchup on a fries ketchup anywhere in the city i've never bought a bottle of ketchup wow justin engineer justin also from illinois said ketchup is for children. Yes. And you know what? Well, then call me forever young, Justin. So that's my secret because I'm regularly spiking my sugar levels by just downing cold ketchup.

Ketchup is for children, but like spiced ketchup is for adults. I have that sriracha ketchup or like those other like spicier ones that add a twist to it. I like a sriracha ketchup or like those like other like spicier ones that add a twist to it right i like a sriracha yeah yeah she and i are friends wow and then justin i'm guessing you don't use ketchup either at all okay that's fine i don't we're barbecue people yeah sauce yeah oh so you'll okay so wait you'll swap out barbecue for ketchup context items like oh yeah yeah yeah barbecue sauce on fries yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay cool good okay that's fine i don't know is this the difference of brown sugar now i'm thinking like what goes into ketchup versus brown uh versus barbecue sauce get a little molasses depends on how you make it you know okay yeah it's easier yeah look fine i'm i i can i can handle that i can handle that i mean and not even to say I was even like, you don't use ketchup at all.

But shout out to people who are just built like that. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Unlike me, I picked up a horrible habit from this kid I went to school with who would eat every bite. Like when we would go to like McDonald's or wherever, In-N-Out, every bite was at least two packets of ketchup. Ew. Inundating the burger with ketchup. Every bite was just like two packets of ketchup inundating the burger with ketchup every bite was just like two packets per bite and you know we would get high so like i also was like man this person's leading me down

the wrong path i'm like yeah she looked good as fuck and i and it took like like years later someone i was dating to be like you have to stop eating a burger like that in front of me and this wasn't even her majesty who i'm married to now this is someone else who was looking out for me shout out to you who was just like that's not a good look for you and i was like okay you're right i do look like a child yeah you look like someone who grew up without like where ketchup was completely banished from your home and you fetishized it as a result and i'm like okay that's enough your dad what left when he went to go get out some ketchup and never came back and that's why okay that's why i'm like this alexis you see that now please leave me alone all right that's gonna do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show.

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