The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 223 (Best of 4/25/22-4/29/22)

Episode Date: May 1, 2022

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And welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Well, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a brilliant stand-up comedian, writer, and actor who you can find in the 2021 book, We Had a Little Real Estate Problem, the unheralded story of Native Americans in comedy. She's been featured on Comedy Central,

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Yeah, yeah. I saw your face light up when you mentioned everything everywhere. I loved that movie. I saw it last weekend, and it was so good and i think it okay well first off it was like my first movie in a long ass time like being in a theater with people like there were people like chewing popcorn loudly behind me and i was like is this safe yeah no i said i was i went in being like all right this can be worth the covid and right i wasn't i wasn't wrong you know yeah it was kept

my mask on and oh i thought you meant i wasn't wrong because i got covid and i got covid everyone hey hey but yeah it's also like a great experience to see a movie like that in a crowd i'm glad i didn't save it for uh streaming oh no you had to see that in the theater for sure. Like there were moments. I mean, I loved it. It was amazing. I cried. I laughed. I like I was like, I was I forgot that that movies can invoke these emotions in you because like I think the last movie I saw in theater was like, I don't know, something Marvel. And so I was just excited to see it. And I love like I've already decided that Wayman I'm dressing up as him for Halloween. I've already decided that Wayman, I'm dressing up as him for Halloween. I can't wait for the fanny pack. I'm going to go search the internet to find that exact little key chain. But yeah, I just loved it. And I want to see it again.

I actually think I might go back to the theater to watch it again just to see more details. And just, yeah, such a fun movie. The fanny pack really made me feel seen. Oh, yeah. As a dad with a fanny pack really made me feel seen. Yeah. Oh, yeah. As a dad with a fanny pack. As a dad. You can fuck shit up with that. See, it's cool, guys.

Immediately make my kids go see it. You put some rocks in there, it's a weapon, man. Yeah. But yeah, I think the magic of it is like I found myself getting overcome with emotion at things that aren't traditionally like on screen. You're like, you got emotional when in the Racco raccoonie part like and i'm like yeah and i'm not gonna spoil shit because it's like i said you could never really describe this film out loud no that ruined it for me because it's doing so many things at once but i really like that one part where he was chasing after raccoon oh no absolutely jackie where are you coming to us from?

I'm here from Oakland, California. What's up? Shout out to the Bay Area. I'm an East Bay girl, so I'm from Hayward, but live in Oakland. And it's great out here. We finally have decent weather. We've been having rain lately, but I'm just excited that people are getting out and doing stuff and we're out here doing it.

Catch a slideshow. Spring season, Aries season. Catch a slideshow. Wait, I don't know what that means. I mean, I do, but the listener might not know what that means, so why don't you explain it to them? Jack, we're going to slam your car. Make sure that shit is scraper. We're hitting the bay and taking you. A slideshow is when people do donuts and stuff in the intersection.

Miles, I must correct. It is a side show. Side show, yes. Side, so no L. Side, not slide. My bad, my bad, my bad. You're good, you're good. I'm messing up my internet brain where I'm looking at pictures like start slideshow and everything's a slideshow. But yeah,

got to get it in. Got to see an intersection shut down for a few minutes while somebody in a Challenger is just sending smoke in there. Oh, yeah. They do it on the freeway. We had a there was a slideshow on the 880 and it's hilarious because you can see you see the donuts. You see them.

So, you know, anything is fair game. Intersections, freeways see them and you know so you know anything is fair game intersections freeways bridges you know yeah absolutely as long as you can hit it you know and you can get out get the rotation of the tires you're good to go so yes that's bay culture though for sure a sideshow is like yeah everybody wants to see it. They record them now. They get caught up now because they tag themselves in it. It's so silly. I'm just like, before you would just witness it and be like, yo, the sideshow. And now it's like, oh, I got tagged and the cops got back at me. And it's like, what do you expect? I'm sorry, that people will be taking video of this. There's etiquette. There's ways to carry oneself. So I didn't know that was a regional thing. Like I've seen lots of videos of that happening. And like, is that are there like regional, super dangerous things to do with your car like that? Oakland kind of owns that one.

And then like another part of the world. Philly with dirt bikes and shit right right and the ghost riding was it that I feel like that was that's Bay Area that's Bay Area ghost riding is Bay Area so Bay Area just owns like all the just wild shit you could possibly do

in a car right I feel like I mean you know tell me when to go gave people a decent imagination for you know doors open man yes like many other you know, doors open, ma'am. Yes. Like many other, you know, dangerous things you can do in a car. But fun. Gas, brake, dip.

Exactly. All of it. There's instructions. Every song is a manual. You know what I mean? Like you got to list it in. It's the cheat codes for how to accomplish it. You want to get up to some stuff.

There's a whole map right there. Yeah. All right. Go ahead. I'm sorry. No, no, no. I didn't know about Philly and dirt bikes. want to get up to some stuff there's there's there's a whole map right there so yeah but i don't go ahead oh sorry no no i was i didn't know about philly and dirt bikes i this is new to me what is what's going on but you know it's like there's a lot of laws where there are a lot of black people who like to you know get pop wheelies on their dirt bikes and things like that you see a lot of laws coming in like there's no wheelies or dirt bikes or whatever and you know every i feel like

every every there is always going to be some regional thing where people are expressing themselves with motor vehicles i just feel like that's just that's just how the american way is whether that's you know you see people rolling coal or fucking you know hitting endos on a dirt bike there's just america and engines and showing out is just the way of the country, I believe. America. Yes. America. What is something from your search history? What's something from my search history?

It's always funny when you guys ask me this because I am so crazy. I Google everything. And so I always have to be like, okay, listen, Nicole, you can't go on a daily, on a daily Zeitgeist and be telling them what you're really Googling. Like, let's get real. Please. No, please. Okay.

But one thing I did Google is I've been thinking a lot about people pleasers and how, cause I'm not, I don't think I'm much of a people pleaser. I think I kind of like go like straddle the line of like, I'm going to please you. But until it's until i want to just say no because i've gotten better at saying no but i think that people pleasers are fascinating because to me sometimes it almost feels like they they're lying to themselves and to everyone they know and i try i'm like so i was just like googling like is there a correlation or like what's the deal with people pleasers are they always kind of lying lying? So that's what I was Googling. Wow. Yeah.

Was that just to look inward or your experience with someone who's a people pleaser? Because I see it a lot in a dating context too. Like you start dating people. They tell you everything you need to hear. And then like, oh yeah, I was just kind of saying stuff that whole time. And you know, I am maybe wrong, but maybe it's because i date men i feel like men do it more often than women because they want to be easy but then they end up kind of like pushing everything down and not really saying what makes them happy until they like explode i feel like i just see

that more with men and you're like wait and i think that women don't even notice it until it's too late but i've tried to get better at like paying attention to that and being like, yo, what do you really want? Like, what is your real opinion on this with friends and with everybody? Because I think that it's like it sucks to think that you be having a friendship or relationship with somebody and everything that people wanted to hear was that I was unable to actually express any of my inner experience out loud. So rather than to be in a situation where like I was like, oh, I don't know how I feel about this. I'm like, yeah, that's cool. Cool. Yeah, I would love that, too, because that felt like a way to be like, Oh, this person I'm, I'm presenting myself as an easygoing person.

Meanwhile, I don't know how to say half the shit I need to. And then you're six months or a couple months deep into something. You're like, yeah, actually like I've been stifling. I hate Harry Potter. I'm also have terrible commitment issues.

And I've just been saying shit. Cause I didn't want to make it hot. I don't even like salmon. You make salmon every night. Cause I told you, I like that. I don't even like it's like yeah it's like stuff like that and they're like all of a sudden they're exploding because i don't want to watch another harry potter and you're like whoa whoa whoa what's that like what is this you said you were all about

hermione like what's going on you know what i mean like it really does feel like that and i feel like it is because people don't i just feel like there's such a culture of politeness just in general with like america i don't know if it feel like there's this, such a culture of politeness just in general with like America. I don't know if it's an American thing or just people in general, but they feel like it's the better way to be. But honestly, like I would rather have someone telling me like, I don't like that thing you did.

I don't like that shirt you're wearing. I just agree with what you're saying, you know, like if, because we're wasting time by lying about what we do like, don't like, or what we do and don't want to do. Right.

And I have like, you know, I have single friends who are, you know, don't want to do right and i have like you know i have single friends who are you know in their mid-30s and they're like dudes who are like i don't know like you know it didn't work out this or that and half the time i'm hearing them talk i'm like you're not really coming with your whole self in any of these situations so the person you're interacting with isn't quite learning who you are they're they're learning a projection of who you are and then when the rubber has to meet the meat hit the road y'all are skidding because there wasn't any real grip to it because you were you know i was just like i don't understand your needs because you're not expressing your needs accurately it's this weird thing that i've been also thinking

about a lot lately just in general like we don't know how to deal with grief we don't grow up learning how to deal with grief how to deal with grief. We don't grow up learning how to deal with grief, how to deal with relationships, how to really communicate with people so that we get our needs met. I sound so therapy-like, but this is the shit I think about lately. Because it's just like, why don't we learn that shit? Why do we learn the Pythagorean theorem in school? We don't need to know that shit. know that shit so it's it's fascinating to me and i'm trying to just i'm trying to learn how to interact with different types of people better so that so that i can i can help you know them feel more comfortable or something yeah yeah so that's what that's my wormhole as of late has

mostly been like interpersonal shit yeah yeah no the therapy like you kind of need to sound like therapy because like i think people who suffer from this and i'm speaking completely as an outsider because i don't at all like i would never for instance agree to do something harmful to my body because somebody seemed nice and needed my help such as like carry a giant chest up four flights of stairs because i thought somebody uh would like me more um but like i don't to like i'm realizing i don't even know how i feel most of the time like in therapy like and so like that's that's how buried that shit is and then like so that that's a process too like and yeah just being like that's not true they might not even realize

it's not true uh they being other people and not me because again i am uh emotionally in touch with myself at all times uh i'm good at communicating it yeah very progressive advanced man you've got it all together you've done the work you're mean, these are such, they're so ingrained, like, you know, just culturally through, you know, patriarchy, whatever. But we're like, we start off as kids seeking the approval of adults. That's just, that's our bread and butter as children. Oh, look at you. You did that. Well, you're so cute.

Oh, you're so smart. And then that becomes your currency. And if you don't realize that shit you get stuck in this loop of just chasing smiles and positive responses at the fucking total detriment to yourself and others to yourself to your soul yeah like you're like to like your gut like i'm sure that people that are doing that just like have this like pit in their stomach sometimes because it's just like they're not getting what they want they're not saying anything or you don't realize what's that or you don't

realize you've been doing it so long that there is a pit because you've been doing that you're like no people like me but it's like but i don't fucking know if my needs have been met ever at all i don't feel happy but everybody seems happy around me what's going on yeah and i think it's the same with even like little things like making plans like if someone doesn't want to do something they'll maybe say like oh sure and it's like well no don't say sure you say yes or no if you don't want to do it say no that's totally fine like we can totally adjust and it's like you just start to realize that like I don't know I've been calling people out on that shit more because I'm just like yo I don't want to I don't want to drag you to something you don't want to do I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable you know right yeah it's amazing

how much I admire people who are just like nah I don't really want to do that I'm like what the fuck kind of dark magic is that I'm telling you you know the first time I did it was uh when I lived in New York people used to come people come visit New York all the time and they all want to hang out it doesn't matter who they are it can be somebody you haven't talked to since 2013. You're like, why is this bitch calling me? And the first time I did it, this guy was like,

I'm going to be in town for a week. We hadn't talked since like 06. And I was just finally, cause I was like, you know what? Instead of telling him every single day, Oh, sorry.

I'm kind of, I'm taking a nap. I can't hang out or whatever. Instead of every single day trying to think of an excuse, I literally just said, you know what? Have a great trip. Now is not a great time to see each other um you know i hope you have a fabulous time in new york and he seemed a little salty about it but he got the point and i didn't have to fucking right wear myself out trying to say no 50 times you know right and i i do think your point that like uh men are particularly guilty of this.

I just watched The Batman last night. And this dude has his feelings so buried. And so he's so out of touch with them at all times. And I was thinking back to The Joker where he he's just like laughing with like tears streaming down his face like just doesn't know how the fuck he feels at all um and everyone's like yes i am the joker that is totally me uh i feel that's not good like that's a problem yeah that that i'm that i'm that right if you see yourself reflected in the joke or something is wrong, maybe just go talk to somebody, you know? Yeah. That could help.

Exactly. What's something you think is overrated? When you go to a convenience store and you look where just the Reese's Cups used to be, Reese's has taken over. And I think all of the Reese's B-sides sides they're all overrated just the og reese's cup every new version that's got nuts you're putting pretzels in the cup you're putting potato chips in the cup you got all these different versions i love that one and i mean they're good some of them are very good but the quality in the og cup has gone down and i just

wish that reese's had more confidence in itself like I wish the Reese's had the confidence of a Peppermint Patty. That has just not changed in a hundred years. But they keep throwing all this different stuff out. There's a Reese's version of a Kit Kat. There's a Reese's version of a Snickers. And they're never as good as the other ones, but I just wish they kept the quality up of the OG cup. York Peppermint Patty famously tried the York Peppermint Patty

with toothbrush particles in there OG cup. York Peppermint Patty famously tried the York Peppermint Patty with toothbrush particles in there and it did not go over very well. What are you talking about? That wasn't a thing. You're right, Miles. That was not a thing. In my mind, I

believed it because it felt like some shit from the early 90s that we would have been like, I don't know, and it cleans your teeth too. I think they try and draw attention away from the fact that they mimic the, you know, feel the tactile and the taste of toothpaste. I still love York peppermint patties. Guys, you know, you're right, though. Reese's, they're doing too much. It's too much.

It's kind of freaking me out. It's, this is what, this is what CNN did with CNN plus. Exactly. Exactly. They kept fucking her. Like it wasn't enough that you had Reese's peanut butter cups.

You wanted to fucking make, I'll just put it in the link. You can look like if you were buying some shit off the website, the just the amount takes five Reeseese's marshmallow top big cup oh yeah these suck yeah i like the chip one i really like the chip one but i like it because we're adding we're adding to pretzel right exactly uh and this isn't even branded but like we're even like we're adding to the original with that but then when you got these like why do i need to eat a thin one for what i've had the white chocolate ones because they take up approximately half of the ones in the easter egg bag that i have and i've never i've never been glad like they're they're good they're

better than most other candies they're not as good as the regular chocolate one right and i'm never tired of the regular chocolate one to a degree where i'm like give me something uh that's not as good they've got me to the point where i even look at the organic ones with disdain i'm like yeah who the fuck invited you yeah i'm okay with the seasonal shapes because it is that's fine everybody's got to do that yeah yeah yeah i totally get that i like i actually think that the like the chocolate to peanut butter ratio is better on the seasonal shapes yeah but um yeah i do i think like i think that the reese's easter egg is a perfect candy um i think it's good i like how thin the chocolate is on it and the peanut butter feels fresher because i make them only once a year right right um but yeah it's like all these other things i'm like how about you focus on being the

best peanut butter cup or seasonal shape that you can be i don't need you to like i don't need all these other weird like take fives and all sorts of different bars that make no sense this whole section that's just orange at the store i'm'm against it. Right. Yeah. It just feels like somebody is like, it feels like Mr. Reese's died and he had like 50 horrible children and each child. They all got a chance. Yeah, exactly. And they're all worse.

They're all worse than the original. Because I'm trying to find, who referenced the New York Peppermint Patty? I did. Yeah. Because they're owned by Hershey's as well. And I wonder if Hershey's is like, that's the nasty stepkid. Reese's is the one who graduated honors.

So we're going to take you to take your other classes, fast break class, Kit Kat class. Meanwhile, you have a really great child right there who's consistently just doing it. And we're not giving any shine to York. Yeah, exactly. York was never the problem child and has just been steadily just on a roll this entire time.

And guess what? York's going to turn out okay. York doesn't need the family. York gets to stop coming home eventually. You're fucking up the firstborn with all this attention and all the trying different things and not letting Reese's just be Reese's. Yes. Yes.

Exactly. I'm now in my head about whether I'm pronouncing that right. And like, yeah, and like that one scene where York comes home for Christmas begrudgingly and there's still all this attention being paid to Reese's and like York's just outside smoking a cigarette. Reese's is like, man, it's real tough in there. And then York's like, do you ever just wish

like mom and dad would just let you be you? And he's like, every day, dude, every day. And that's who Reese's became. I blame ET. You know, that's where, that's where things became. I think they've,

they just soared to new heights. Clever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Reese's page does not have a single pieces on it, a single piece. There is no evidence of Reese's pieces.

I don't know if this is because no yeah the filter that we have on the on the search that Miles just sent through the chat is just Reese's candy and I'm not seeing a single pieces um so what the fuck that's ridiculous even if you load more I will just say if you put anything in a York, it would be gross. Like that, that I don't mind that they're trying things out. Like just, just get over it, like figure out which one works and get over it quickly. York. If you put York, I think what I was trying to get at before, if you put York with like pretzel bits or no, no, no, no, no, right.

Like you guys, like it's like the thing that comes out of your mouth after you brush your teeth if you've eaten yeah right eaten pretzels or brush your teeth with these pretzels right um uh what is something you think is underrated okay so uh this is where my miniatures project comes in i'm super excited about it. I'm obsessed with fashion dolls, specifically black fashion dolls, because growing up in South Texas, there weren't a lot of black people. They didn't make a priority to have black dolls, right? So now that I'm an adult with all my own money

and my own car to drive to the store, I get as many black dolls as I can. And I've been meaning to, for a while, make little doll scenes so they're now um like i made a little brunch scene for some of them there's like a little kitchen scene where they're cooking and then like there's a kid scene and then like i got a bill clinton doll he's peeking in at brunch it's like it's super cute you have a bill clinton fashion doll yeah my neighbor gave me like Bill Clinton.

It's supposed to talk, but it's sealed from the 90s. No one's ever opened it, so it doesn't work anymore. But it looks just like him, and it's super funny to have him just peeking in, looking like, what are you ladies having for brunch? It's super cute. So with the kitchen scene, I was making pies and easy-to-make little things, and I figured they needed a little bit of a more healthy situation. So I figured, let me go get those runs candies that we all had.

That's perfect. You know, that was the perfect candy to do, you know, for dolls. Right. They don't sell runs anymore. What? You can't go to a Target or to CVS or like a walmart even and get like a like a a box of runts or anything like that you you have to buy it at uh amazon like you have to look it up like go to amazon there are places that'll sell you just a bag of the the bananas but they don't

so runts are underrated because like you really think that they're always going to be there for you. Yeah. You know, as a kid, you always think that's the healthiest candy out there. It's shaped like, you know, like you always. I took it for granted. And now that I can't get it, now I'm like, oh, it tasted good, too. It wasn't just a good display candy for dolls. It was also a delicious candy.

The red ones. The red ones were really good. The green ones were good. so uh that wasn't underrated a question about runts and how they fit into a miniature uh like scape that you're building because the the bananas feel like they're the right size the orange looks like an orange compared to the bananas um and then there's a giant purple uh i don't know if that's like i'm guessing it's grape but that would be the biggest grape in the history of the world um the big purple balls um we go on we go on a eggplant on that either that or um i got a little tray looking thing that i'm gonna just put them in

as some kind of a casserole okay damn that's okay that's clever i mean couldn't you get in with the fashion dolls like i know like in when i was a kid in japan there were always little like miniature restaurant things made for people to super turn up their scenes i went to jso japan and bought a bunch of erasers that are perfect size oh shit okay they look like real food i got a bento box i got sushi okay okay so we're international i got a chips you know yeah yeah yeah i love that all kinds of stuff but i'm now I need to go get some more dolls because I got another scene planned after this one. Okay, okay, okay. Are those devil dogs?

That was my Bill Clinton spying on your brunch scene. Those devil dogs. I feel like having that, you can get so comedic just by throwing a Bill Clinton doll in the mix with a bunch of black women. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. Watch out, ladies eating.

Yeah, like a weird family circus cartoon strip where it's like, you know, girl, like, I'm always like, hey, y'all. Hey, sisters. Hey, y'all. You want to help me get my reed wet so I can play sax? Y'all saw me on Arsenio, right? They're like, oh, shit, Bill shit bill coming bill coming shut the fuck up i like it's a comic strip where it sees black lemon and bill clinton is their roommate just in a suit at all yeah exactly doesn't this motherfucker got somewhere to go it's like well

since hillary left his ass he's a fucking mess who want to watch live and single with me yeah exactly i mean sometimes i feel like i'm kind of maxine shaw they're like all right credit to you you fucking with maxine i guess yeah i'm just laughing at honestly i think i would watch a cartoon about bill clinton inconveniencing a bunch of people because he's their roommate and like de-grappling with the fact that it's bill clinton is that what your miniatures project is hey i'm gonna send you some spec scripts for your miniatures i mean i love that you're working on a miniatures project because I feel like we have like the miniatures projects we get are all like, you know, Wes Anderson or Wes Anderson light.

Like there's a lot of that twee sensibility. I want some new brains in the miniature world. Yeah, I'm going to take some pictures of them. I'm done with this living room one, but I'm super excited. I'll just go and look at it sometimes and be like yeah they're so cute look i love that though that i mean and i love that you're capturing a thing from your childhood because that's so much about like it's a weird dimension of our personalities that we don't really indulge as much as adults like we're like man i'm off that shit i don't really do that and i there's so many things like i've but i love doing as a kid i mean sneakers is like the thing that i couldn't afford as a kid

that now i have my own money i'm like well now have you seen my doll collection my sneaker but even like with other stuff like like playing with like legos and shit i was like man i need to buy some fucking legos i fucking love legos i don't know why the only reason i'm not playing with them is because i'm like i I've told myself I'm too old. But every time I'm with my nieces or nephews, I'm like, man, get them fucking Legos out. Yeah. Get Legos out and get out of my way. Yeah.

No, seriously. They're like, I wanted that piece. I'm like, you don't know what you're doing with this. You can barely use the Technic set. Bring that glue gun over here. Yeah. Bring that glue gun over here. Yeah.

There's a, like, when I lived in New York, there was a museum exhibit that, like, came through that was this woman, Frances Glessner Lee. Have you heard of? She, like, lived from 1878 to 1962 and, like, was just obsessed with creating, like, murder scenes, like, recreating real murder scenes uh with miniatures like whoa it's just it was wild because it was like oh this is just like somebody's weird obsession but it just like kind of comes in and out of relevance and like said

people are just like really fuck with it oh yeah yeah i highly recommend if anybody has a chance to look at you know i'm just thinking i fucking love i think a reason too is i remember seeing model sets as a kid and being so wowed i'm like i'll never have the patience to make a like a scene like this using miniatures but i love to look at it because it's so clear like how difficult it is to make it so i don't know there's an energetic exchange uh when you look upon miniatures although i was terrible making dioramas and that shit was terrible for me that shit was terrible terrible it was actually it's so oh my god it's just trailing off i think very specifically i had to make a like a representation of giza in egypt i fucking

ripped up a shoebox in the middle of it because my pyramids were not looking right. I fucking... I stole sand from the sandbox at my school because I'm like, I'm going to glue that to the bottom because it's a desert. Didn't know how to properly put sand in a fucking diorama. It just looked dusty and shit.

Anyway, I'm sorry. I have a lot of diorama based. Let's take a break. It'll sound like just a brief break to the listener. It'll probably be about a half hour while we work through this with Miles. And then when we come back, we're going to talk about truckers. And I didn't have my mom help me. That's the fucking difference.

These other motherfuckers came in with the glue gun shit. There's no glue gun trail. Motherfucker. Liars. Fucking liars. Follow the glue gun yeah follow the glue straight to your mother's bedroom it's funny my mom would always say that shit because when i ripped mine up i was in tears she's like but that's good all these other american children they rely on their parents to do their work and you you're doing it on your own.

I was like, but you can't help me. I was like, mom, you help me put my stickers on. She's like, you will not be weak like these other motherfuckers. I'm like, that's what my parents say. My parents never did projects for me. Hell no. That was fucking, that was so foreign to me. When I saw somebody, they were like, yeah, my mom helped me do it.

I'm like, I know your mom fucking helped you. It's so clear that somebody with nothing to do helped you do this shit with adult hands yeah this dude did a his dad did his whole thing he did a fiber optics thing and it was a giant tube he didn't even really know how it worked he was just like oh you shine a light on this end and then you'll see a light on the other end and i was like yeah that's how light works right like and then you'll see a light on the other end. And I was like, yeah, that's how light works. Right. And then you couldn't even really see the light. I was just like, what is this? And I was like, you just stand next to him. Right.

You just stand next to him with a flashlight. Be like, I just did the same shit. And it was a lot easier. See, you can see the light, right? And I'm just turning it on and off. He couldn't even say what it was. It's like, what is your fiber optics? You know, it's a fiber optics.

Can I call my dad real quick? Yeah, yeah. He put him on speaker. Sure elon go ahead go ahead elon let him know you got emeralds in your pockets too motherfucker come up off them emeralds real quick dad helping with your projects and shit paying for a snack before school with emeralds like yeah elon do you have change for an emerald? I've got it here. Change for an emerald. Someone needs to do a project on like boy genius Elon Musk and he's just a

rich shitty kid who just like pushes people around with emeralds. I think it's going to be incumbent on every comedian to have a pet project that tries to get you banned from Twitter because you're coming straight for Elon Musk's neck. Alright. A pet project that tries to get you banned from Twitter because you're coming straight for Elon Musk's neck. All right. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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well we've been back for like five minutes now all right but uh we have not talked we have not talked. We have not yet started talking about the number one story of the day. The trucker convoy has decided to liberate Oakland. And Oakland said, get the fuck out of here. They said, do you know where the fuck you are? So the trucker convoy. I didn't know that they had continued to convoy it up well because they were just like all right that was an l in dc let's just head back they drove across not much going on and now they're back in california because it started in california and then picked up all the

detritus along the way to dc and now they're back and proven once again that American self-victimization is one of the saddest sights to behold. And they've made – okay, so now they're in California. They got a new tactic. It's because there's no real vaccine mandates and shit to push back on. So now it's just stuff like driving to politicians' houses and honking their horns because they don't agree with someone who thinks Americans deserve body autonomy. So they're like, yeah, that's's a good that's a winning project this person wants to make contraception available to people fuck yeah let's just go to their neighborhood so what happens is on friday they were taking a little trip they're in to the bay area and they decided to go to oakland okay

and i guess they never heard of oakland or the bay area because they drove there they drove through there with the fucking energy of liberators like they were like waving out the car with like they're like you can take the mask off hooray and people were like flicking them off screaming shit i've never even heard before and they found out very quickly they were in fact driving through the oakland berkeley border okay i can't think of a bluer fucking spot to be uh in california than the the border of oakland and berkeley uh and they drive through look this is the other thing right like the bay area i thought like conservatives knew better like i thought that was more door to them where they're like we cannot go in there fuck we can't go in there fucking lacking because these people do not want to hear what the fuck we have to say in fact it's the

antithesis of everything we believe so as they creep through the streets they were met with a ton of eggs being thrown and like clockwork it seemed like shopkeepers just came out with like flats of eggs to like people on the street that i'm like yeah man go ahead i got some fucking eggs go ahead fucking do your thing the fuck these trucks up and then like some kind of epic game of thrones scene then like like a bunch of people showed up out of nowhere like as i call it the king's battalion of angry zoomer kids showed up like like just throwing their fucking eggs and turned it up another notch and

i just want to i want to play this one clip right because there's this one old guy who clearly has never been around teens or teens of color for that matter who just got out of school because that's an energy look as a millennial i'm like no these kids are gonna fucking roast me if i say some shit i don't even make eye contact like i'm not ready for their their wit their witticisms this guy fucking taunted them to throw an egg and guess what the kids did they obliged here i'll play the audio just so you can see uh just the intensity of this just fantastic moment In disbelief that these kids have rocked them with an egg. Egg out. Egg out.

Look, he gets out thinking, what are gonna do 70 teenagers and he gets back in his mud-soaked truck and then he's like you're the coward so did you hear the laughter of those children the laughter of like i don't respect you or anything oh yeah this is you feel it in your soul 100 laughter and the the like the responses from the truckers it really reveals like this savior behavior mentality that they're stuck in victimization just like yeah like this was this was our 9-11 no 100 they called the police they called the police you know they there's this uh image that you pulled of them like on tele talking about it on uh what is it on on i think it's from their telegram channel telegram okay damn they somebody needs to tell them they'll be allowed back on twitter soon but they're saying how was it that the flats of eggs

just happened to be or how convenient was it that the flats of eggs just happened to be or how convenient was it that the flats of eggs just happened to be there like they think there is a conspiracy that involves people laying out flats of eggs it's the 2020 uprising it's like what are those bricks doing there type shit yeah except it was except that one seemed a little bit more but i'm like there's not an active construction site here it looks like you left a lot of play toys for angry people to fuck with yeah that's that is the nerf of like things that if anyone was doing that they were trying to protect you from getting the shit kicked out of you by like giving them something more fun to throw at you that would just like ruin your fucking paint job well you got off easy with

those eggs this is berkeley you could get throw a wayward kombucha bottle and those are not easy to catch exactly what if somebody hits you with their hydro flask that's a fucking brick right there and you're not really going into like oakland oakland you're lucky you're on the border of berkeley okay um but yeah it's just like the other things that we're saying that people were saying like uh uh can't we put these people like and send them off to china like send these leftists off to china another person this boils my blood that these people aren't worth even being saved it's a shame that they hold normal californians hostage to this

culture these people are literally insane some should be charged with assault but the lame da's wouldn't do anything anyway uh-huh uh-huh nobody asked you to come here we're doing fine these strange people who don't like people driving down their streets with massive trucks blaring their horns at all hours and saying fuck you basically to you yeah they didn't like that yeah saying that we don't think you should be able to you know have what you want or have bodily autonomy that's yeah what is wrong with those people i don't know and again this is like they said they called the cops and the cops said we don't give it they're like like, all right, deal with it. Right.

They basically were like, we're not coming out there. You're not supposed to be there. Yeah. Right. They're like, I'm sorry. Do you know about our rep? Even like we barely go out for anything. Right.

So we want to help you right now. No, we're good. We've been claiming we were defunded since before 2020. Yeah. I'm sorry, we were defunded. We're going to come help you? But we're the trucker convoy. Man, man, cuts both ways. That's the shitty part.

You know what I mean? So eat them eggs. Eat them up. Yeah, let's talk. I think the consensus among the people I follow on Twitter is that we're fucked. Now that Elon Musk purchased successfully purchased twitter um and what what are we hearing from i mean i think we kind of are but like what how are other people reacting uh there's i mean there's all kinds of i think everyone yeah rightly is focused on this guy who's

keeps talking about freedom of speech who clearly doesn't know what the fuck that means, has bought the Bird app. And what does that mean? There's a few different things. There's this one piece by this tech critic, Shiva Vaidyanathan in Slate, who's just talking about... Who brings up an interesting point of Twitter as a business is not a good opportunity. That's not something you want to buy, like as a, as an investment in general. Um, and you know, just talking about how as a business it has been like just, uh, pretty much they've, they haven't figured out how to make it

profitable or to scale it, you know, the, the, the, the many wonderful worlds, words of wall street, and they put it up for sale a few times and people haven't really ever bought it and i think just when obviously there is this whole element of yes elon could bring all the unsavory shit bags back and open up the gates um but there is just just narrowly there is one potential benefit to that which is all of that conservative tech money that was spent on those free speech platforms like truth and shit would become a fucking would become moot the second he opened up the gates because that's what the whole reason people all the people like that fled to those other sites are like there's no libs here

so if they're allowed back on twitter they're like why am i using this shit again um so that would potentially that that that is a one fear on like the conservative tech side, which is like, man, if Trump comes back and this that's going to be bad news for these smaller apps. But that's not even like the big picture. Is there is are any of those flourishing and like really a threat to I mean, I you know, you hear about horrible things being said on them, but I don't I don't know. Like is there? No, not in the sense like you know especially we've talked about truth social like that this thing's dead in the water um and even people are still waiting to be let in the door many people you're not getting in that club

um but again like sort of put just looking at twitter though, just as a business entity, what exactly is Elon Musk trying to do? Does he actually want it to help to grow it or does he want it to be profitable? What was the purpose of buying it? Well, I think on one side, it's like, yeah, I guess you literally own the libs by buying Twitter or something. But as a business person, because you're always talking about your business acumen, what is the goal here? Now, I get that one version is he just doesn't give a fuck. He'll let it melt down into a total cesspit of hate speech. But on the other side of that is, is it growth? Is it profitability? Because the things that he has talked about aren't necessarily going to

reshape the app or bring more people in. Yeah yeah, the edit button. Sure. People like, oh, that would be cool. That's like a bone free one for like the people who are on Twitter. But that's going to take a lot of time and effort to actually bring that to, you know, bring that to a reality. The human authentication thing to keep bots off. Sure. But many point to the fact that, you know, you could just invest more in proper content and user moderation and you know keep things moving in that sense but i think the other thing is that but he's if he's you know by buying it and takes a private he's not beholden to shareholders at all so like a lot of people are trying to speculate what how do you game this out

like is it going to be just a downward spiral is Is it going to be you open it up, you bring all these angry people back on the platform, which would drive away other users, which isn't going to help anything for the value of Twitter? we can like even even in the worst case where you know trump's back and all these other things are happening those would be like those wouldn't necessarily benefit twitter in the end i think because they're also not really innovating as a platform you know twitter's not even the top 10 social media platforms there's there you know there's the fully the potential for something else to come up that people like oh this seems more reasonable now than this other thing so it's a bit of like a wait and see thing and then on the on the dc side of it you have republicans say oh it'd be bad if trump got back on or like oh i don't know if we need trump back on or that could be bad but again i

think that there's a twofold problem there one is that they don't want trump back because it would complete he would it would revitalize his like stranglehold on the party by him being back on twitter he would take over the political conversation again right um and then the also thing is that they they fear that if he's back on that helps democrats do their really tired ass political strategy which is just gesture to trump right and then be like so y'all vote in blue right right right not doing it ends there yeah because without trump they've done so much uh so um well i think they're i think they they realize they can't get bullied in real time from twitter like he used to like as things are happening i think it's more for them they they liked that they didn't have to fear the trump tweet anymore yeah i'm interested to see

i'm interested in a couple things like how many people left the platform i know every everybody was losing followers i lost i think 250 followers and i think people are just running from it but they don't know what's going to happen and then i'm also i feel like it's like this weird thing where if trump i feel like people are always weird about trumping on twitter where it's like this weird thing where if Trump, I feel like people are always weird about Trump being on Twitter where it's almost like they, they're like, Oh man, that would be so terrible.

If that big bad guy that I used to quote retweet came back, you know what I mean? And like, and I kept going viral cause I was talking shit on Trump all day. I feel like there's a little bit of that energy too of like, they don't, nobody wants it, especially before 2024.

Nobody fucking wants Trump online talking his shit. But I think that there's this weird energy that was there when Trump was president and when he was on Twitter of like, it's kind of it's kind of exciting and spicy and like, let's just play with this toxic shit. But it's like, that's not good because all it ever did was elevate the trash to a higher level. Yeah. I mean, I think the real losses would be to people who organize on Twitter and actually use it for positive things. But I think like anything,

an alternative could emerge that could be as easy to use. But I think, again, you read the headlines, you think this is scary. And yeah, it could be. But it's going to take some time to fully understand what his vision is for this and how that works. Because he's also going to find himself running Twitter in the lead up to a presidential election. And Elon Musk is just inherent.

All it's going to take is some more spicy Marjorie Taylor Greene type people to pop up. And then what does he do with them? And now people are going to connect him to all that whether or not he wants to platform them or de-platform them so there's a lot of extra shit connected to it that like doesn't necessarily make Elon Musk just look like the coolest kid on Twitter so that's why I'm like definitely not I mean think about how much people bullied Jack they were like Jack what the fuck are you doing it's like that same thing like you really want to be that guy that's constantly like having to decide if you're going to pull people or let them be on and how far you're going to let people go before they just like do crazy shit even if he's not the

one making the final decision he's he becomes the de facto face he's the face yeah yeah i don't think he gives a fuck though like he and i also i think he's a combination of like, you know, realizing that all good publicity in America is like at least increases your footprint. And also famous enough that like he's surrounded by people who are gassing him up all the time. Oh, yeah. So I just think he's very dangerous. dangerous probably part of a strategy is to control like discourse in some way the way that like you know billionaires during the baron era like would do that shit um yeah i think i think the concerns are founded i i still feel like you can still use twitter right to like coordinate or to organize like i don't i don't feel like it like what it

should be as a public utility and like we're moving away from that obviously and that's fucked up but like that like i i feel like it's not great for our side or for people who are trying to do good in the world if like a billionaire buys all phone networks across the america and they're like well i just don't use the phone anymore and it's like well we're putting ourselves at a disadvantage like we just need to you know keep well yeah and i think for the people who need that who are resilient this isn't gonna do much because they see the utility of it and you can just block the fuck out everybody you know what i mean um And maybe that's how people will get on with it. And it'll continue to do its thing in the Musk era.

Yeah. It's going to be very, very interesting. Because there's so many... Because, like you're saying, because Twitter has become this utility in a way. But it's still not even the top 10 user bases of like social media platform it has this very interesting place uh and seeing what he does whether good or bad tbd but again a billionaire buying it never good you guys explain the edit button to me like that i don't fully understand the because kate like my my understanding is that the reason you use the edit button is if you have a tweet up a lot of people like it and

then you realize like you want to change something about it and then you edit the tweet like their likes are ascribed to like that isn't accurate, right? That feels weird. You can edit what you said, just delete the previous thing and then re-post your tweet. Or it's like that thing. Oh, I misspelled said in my viral tweet. Fuck. Nobody gives a fuck.

It makes me crazy, though. So I'm all about the edit button for that, exactly. it's like a small reason because i had a tweet go viral where i said like choke uh but i didn't mean to say the uh so it sounds like i'm saying like choker like italian choker when i choked up and i was like god damn and i kept just like watching it and i was like no i want to take it out so bad so i would like to edit that but it is fun have you ever there was a tiktok that i saw where it was i keep talking about tiktok but you know what sometimes i get bored with tiktok um there's a tiktok though that i saw where somebody was like texting their friend and they they asked a question they said like are you white and as the person was responding the person the other person said if you are then you

like you say that you hate black people and love slavery and then the person said yes and then you know they responded like immediately like it's just that it is that thing of like where you can change what you've said and then the person who liked it is seemingly vouching for like some crazy shit right so yeah i could get out of control but i don't know if people are i don't know we could we have to see i guess but i for me it's just i want to take a little extra letter out of a tweet right yeah yeah exactly not wholesale be like yeah yeah get somebody to like something then like you know rope a dopamine to being like oh okay so you oh so you're racist oh okay so is he is he like team edit button is he yeah yeah yeah he wants an edit button he was like campaigning on that see that's that's

the saddest part of his whole like because he's just like i just feel like if i just got the tweet just right people would like me it's like oh buddy no we hate you because you are uh you know unethically wealthy and racist uh that's that's our main thing it's not because you uh fucked up a tweet. I, for one, love Little Emerald Boy, and I would be honored to work with him. Hmm. Interesting. That is the number of places I've just,

you know, being out in public, I've had Elon Musk quoted to me, still boggles my mind. Like, Elon Musk quoted to me as if, like, Socrates once said some shit elon musk once said it's all these like strivers like rise and grind people but it's such a fucking bummer because he has his rep is different you know twitter he people don't like him on twitter off twitter it's a whole other thing it's like completely different atmosphere i'm curious of

what his supporters think about that because i yeah there's people driving around in Teslas and I've seen a license plate that said, love Musk on the back. And I was like, oh my god, these people are all in. He meant animal Musk. I love Musk. I love a stank. He could run for president

and do pretty well at some point in the future. He's not an American, so he can't. Oh yeah, that's right. Did you see that tweet where somebody said he was an African-American just to stir the pot because he's from Africa? Wasn't it a black woman? I said, come on. She's black?

I thought she was white. I saw one where it was a black woman. People were like, hold on. Is this an avatar switch up? What is happening here? That's crazy. Yeah, no thanks. And I think someone above was like, oh, do you not know about apartheid?

Okay, don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. It's fine. It's fine. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk NPR. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling, firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration.

It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcast. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career,

you have a lot of questions, like how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do, like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about

that quote. What is it like you miss 100% of the shots you never take? Yeah, rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry,

Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them boys. I just come here to play basketball every single single day and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch.

She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover

all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life.

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We're not hurting people. There's nothing dangerous about what you're allowed to be doing this we passed the review board a year ago we're not hurting people there's nothing dangerous about what you're doing they're just dreams dream sequence is a new horror thriller from blumhouse television iheart radio and realm listen to dream sequence on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back um yeah so like i said i was i was just tying a a line between the elon musk and this rush of frame up because i do feel like a lot of this sensibility um of yeah we don't have to like try to be convincing in our lie we just like say the lie and then stick with it and yeah it doesn't matter like kind of started in in russia and like first you know uh trump trump obviously was like the number one proprietor in america of it but um this one i mean we've people been people been doing this one for for a while i'd

say you know the don't worry man it's called weapons of mass destruction man fucking we're good yeah yellow cake man but eventually they were like we didn't find any you know yeah um fuck yeah so russia's federal security service FSB, arrested a group of six Russian, what they're claiming are neo-Nazis who are plotting to assassinate a Russian state TV talk show host. the supposed target of their plot was this Russian state TV host, presenter, person who has praised Hitler as a very brave man and even produced an admiring documentary about Mussolini. So, yeah.

Because, you know, we always just like stick photos to our computer speakers um they uh also had three copies of the game set of the sims um and and people were like what the fuck is that doing there that's so weird it's like three right three like discs of the sims why not a portrait of a portrait of hitler swastika tea mind comp and three copies of the sims expansion packs so the work these are nazi hitmen the working theory is that someone uh you know did fabricate this evidence and were told uh they were told to get three sims as in three sims cards and sim cards and they fucking missed the uh subtlety oh my god and when when the investigative committee of the russian

federation later posted a video uh of the raid they had blurred out the the sims um yeah because it's it's like so it really does like it's like the commander wasn't there right he's texting everybody look get get a swastika t-shirt get some like ss patches put up a picture of hitler the three sims do all that you know make it look real shady nazi shit right and then he just goes and like takes a picture and the guy's like mother he's like what the fuck is that what are those three games on the bed and he's like three sims fuck like because it really doesn't like it's put out there as if it's like you have to take a picture of this this is relevant to the case you know what i mean it's like he took it's like he said and they had five soup ladles you

know what i mean like that's not relevant it's in the house but why put that shit there it's clear that the person's directive was take all the pictures including the three sims to uh just for for who for what to again i think this is all like you're saying the low energy effort to just say you see there's neo-nazis in ukraine and they're coming after people in russia and that's what all of this is about that's why we're there because we put out a swastika t-shirt a really loosely taped photo of hitler to a bluetooth speaker and three copies of the sims um and then the target quote uh of the of the attack who's just like their wolf blitzer like some you know tv person except if people still like watched cnn but uh he went on tv and claimed the plot was all hatched by zielinski um because zielinski wanted to be a presenter

on the state run channel but wasn't talented enough we're doing the old donald trump thing yeah they're haters you should have seen it they were begging me for a job and then i said no so that's why they lied now okay um that's i mean so that's that's pretty pretty questionable uh child logic at work there it would seem um so like he was doing it because he hates me and uh right he's like what he he actually is on the record saying he wished he was as handsome as me so um yeah i have some i have some texts where he's like asking me for pointers like on how to look like me but i like i was like i was like seriously dude we're like in a war. Like I can't do this right now. But yeah, tough times, tough times. All right.

I just wanted to continue complaining about NPR because we didn't get all the way through the story. Super producer Trisha did a bunch of really good research along with super producer Becca on just like, you know, where, where this, so Bridget,

like basically my point is like, I listened to NPR for the first time in a year and just found the tone, which is, I don't think it's changed, but it just feels insane to me. Like it feels very like gentle, but like they're talking about like gentle mixed with like bored and whatever. And so then like the Russians came in and, you know, they're reporting on war crimes, but they're doing it in like a way that's like just feels so strange.

And basically feels like if we if we were all hearing it again for the first time we would all be like what the fuck is happening right now um so we talked about that and like some psychoanalysis on like neoliberals like why this might be might be happening might be necessary for them right now um you know super producer tricia like did a deep dive into like sort of the history of just basically what i've heard described as like tv english um but it's like sort of the accent list is how it's often described english that people speak with on um tv but then you know say calling something accentless just just, uh, you know, positioned yourself as thinking that, uh, a certain accent, a certain way of speaking American English doesn't have an accent. Basically. Um, the presumed audience is an English monolingual speaker.

Um, and when the voice and language of the speaker this is i'm just going to read directly from what trisha wrote when the voice and language of the speaker is intended to not make the listener uncomfortable the placidity of the npr voice also feeds into this like the rest of the media they want listeners to feel a certain amount of fear which will push them to keep listening and not uh and not be too uncomfortable or panic that will make them feel like they're also experiencing the crisis. So they, you know,

they choose to speak like a group of people who aren't affected by the crises. They are, but they still like want to talk about it. And the accent emulates people who like don't suffer the human rights crises that, and wars and disasters that npr reports on and like she found examples of people uh who were prohibited from or just like their story wasn't accepted to on npr because they were told that they speak too much with too much of an accent um hear that a lot a lot of people hear

that a lot like yeah on some level you know it's like yeah what what is that voice exactly i don't know if it's i mean at this point it it feels like this thing where it naturally evolved right where i i get that there's just you know like in the radio announcer days, people all spoke like this. And we're like, what the fuck is that? And then we slowly got into something a little less like, you know, good evening, brother. Here is the weather for today. I sound like David Lynch doing the fucking weather on KCRW.

But, you know, even now it's like, then we had this, like, I think really coming in, and like the out of the eighties and into the nineties, like the real NPR voice that I feel like, like as a kid, a kid i was like oh wow it's the nice talk radio or whatever that's less animated and it's it's weird like i'm not sure if they even know they're doing it yeah i know like they do either and i know that they do on some level because it's part of the aesthetic but if it's like about to say like so to the point it's like we have to speak like this in order to get people to fucking tune in i think it it it's sort of it's just a a function of you know that way of looking at things yeah i think it i think it's interesting not not necessarily as like a critique of npr like going in and we're gonna catch them being like you have

to talk to them like children because like, you know, and even if they are saying that, like that's, I think it's interesting about what it reveals about the listeners of NPR more than anything. Yeah. I think that the listeners of NPR, I mean, if you're, if you're like on the left and you're where you're getting your audio news and commentaries, NPR, I do feel like that probably suggests that you're a certain kind of person because there's so many different places to get news and commentary in the audio format. If you're sticking with NPR, I feel like perhaps you're looking for a certain kind of tone, I guess. It's so funny that we're talking about this.

When I first started working as a podcaster and in audio, I thought that I had to do that voice to be taken seriously. When I go back and listen to the early days of Miam podcasts, I can tell that I'm sort of, I'm doing my NPR voice. It's very monotone. You would think that I am talking about things happening in a country where I have never even visited as opposed to my own country. I'm talking about things that I have no real opinion on.

Here's just some very gently delivered information about what could be happening somewhere hypothetically. Yeah, right. So I think that there was a time where NPR, and I, yeah, no shade so i think that in there was a time where npr and i yeah no shade to npr but there was a time where i think that they really were influential and how other people did radio and did audio and did podcasting i will say yeah for sure i i think that's something you know when super producer anna and i were like first starting the la uh house of works offices like we talked about like we wanted to steer away from the npr aesthetic because it was so pervasive like it was just like so that's what people thought podcasts sounded

like for for a long time right um but that's so interesting describing podcasts sounded like for, for a long time. Right. But that's so interesting describing it as like you've, even though you were describing America, you felt pressure to like describe it like it was a country where you'd never been because that really, like that was kind of what we had landed on yesterday is that like by doing this and like adding this tone of, of like remove, i i keep saying it's like feels like they're on xanax because they like feel like they're like removed from

the anxiety uh that you know the rest of the that they're talking about like an anxious an anxiety provoking situation uh they're describing it like with the humanity and the emotion removed from it and it's yeah it just feels like that has to be at some level a conscious decision um that they're like uh perpetuating because they just have seen it work and i think they see it work so well because they're the npr listener wants wants to have be told about the story like be told about the problem but then like not feel bad about it no you don't you can't confront you can't confront the actual uncomfortableness of the story that's all it is it's it's to it's to tell you enough about the story without informing you enough that you can actually begin to empathize really i think that's what it is it it it really dulls your ability to connect with the people that are even being

talked about in the story like even that one where the woman was talking about she was fleeing like artillery like shelling from russians and she fled to her basement and was like well thank god she had a little bit of food but it's just done as like like we were saying and you know we're hearing her you can hear in her voice she's like she you can tell i don't speak ukrainian but you can tell this person isn't speaking calmly about the situation they were in but the the translator's voices and it not that it has to be an acted out version but it comes in more like thank god i had potatoes and some extra oil in the house and also i had a cow so i was able to get milk and you're like that was electrifying compared to the uh to the translator but like and even like you know you go on npr's page right now there's there's stuff where there's

a headline says why this economy may be sturdier than it looks right i say okay maybe this has something to do with the lived experience of people who are working in the like as part of the economy and maybe there's some good news all it's about is gdp and shit the word wage only shows up once and it's not even and it's like it's it's a quote about someone talking about like she also increased her prices to offset rising costs of cotton polyester and spandex as well as higher wages for her employees right so now the empathy isn't about there's no there's no need to feel bad about anyone in this story or even to tell people like in this version the word wages

is mentioned in the context of like man people poor people asking for too much money huh yeah not despite this the lived experience of your neighbors might be completely different to some of these headlines about the economy and i think that's where because that's the uncomfortable part if you're going to talk about the economy like is it going to be a real thing of like we spoke to working parents single parents people who live here people who live there about what just what even though we're seeing this economy stuff what's it like for them and even if when when you get pieces like that are we going to get the like is it going to get to the point where someone would listen to it and then be outraged right yeah think, I mean, I have to mention, we are seeing this interesting moment where NPR

seems to be kind of hemorrhaging young talent of color, like young audio talent. And I have to wonder if there's something related there that, you know, people want, I feel like people get into audio journalism because there's an intimacy to the storytelling. You can hear, you know, listening to that Ukrainian woman tell her story. Even if you don't speak the language, you can hear it in her voice. And I think that's what draws people to audio storytelling in the first place. vibe is not reflecting that humanity that intimacy that authenticity and that like truth through audio it does seem to be like a little bit of a disconnect yeah yeah and i mean like we were you know i was saying yesterday like you can mint a bitcoin with the amount of like mental work and

like pretzeling of themselves that is required to achieve the cognitive dissonance required to still be on board with like the mainstream media and like dnc uh sort of narratives where like check on the gdp every month because that's the thing that matters and we just like care about gdp and stuff like that and i just think that's that's coming out in in this weird way uh and then i also wanted to talk about so jm i're a writer from canada uh says the same thing is happening uh on the cbc and has always been happening on the cbc um but he has an alternate explanation that they like found out about uh uh hsr or asmr and are are like because they like keep doing stories about like they've done a lot of stories about asmr and

like it does seem to be his theory is they're like ramping it up because they were like oh yeah like this this makes people feel good. Oh, yeah. Morning becomes eclectic on KCRW. I feel like I'm in the middle of yawning the whole time I'm listening to it. Right. The music's great, but they're like, Milvina, what's going on this weekend? They're like, well, actually, at the Getty, there's going to be a fantastic display of West African art.

And you're like, uh- uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

it's not, it's, I get it. It's, it's soothing, but I do find myself, you know, in a trance to hearing it,

but not even that I'm like listening. It's like, oh, this is very like, it's that, that monotone that really, I don't know. It gets you.

Do you all remember that Saturday Night Live bit? The delicious dish? Delicious dish, sweaty balls. Yeah. Yeah, so that's the thing is that I don't know if at that time, like they, some of their shows spoke like this, and it was the ones about like, you know, wine and leaves and like foliage and shit.

And then they had more, a more appropriate tone, like when talking about news and war crimes. But now the whole thing is, it's like listening to those characters do the news about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Um, and it's very weird.

It's very strange. Well, you well you know again i think the the effective thing about you know uh neoliberalism and these news things that are they're helping people kind of stay in this place is that it helps people not stay in a place of comfort and not really want to do anything radical or or or have the mindset that there's a need for radical change that's for sure and i think it's the same thing like even with the uprisings right we barely heard people in from that were in the streets talking on tv if ever and if it was like find the angriest motherfucker you can find and put them on tv don't don't get the people who are really there trying to say something and we'd always be like why are they never talking to the people that are in the streets?

It's always like somebody from like 50 feet away, a hundred feet away. I'm like, and now that you can see they're gathering over here now and blah, blah, like doing it, like they're calling a fucking horse race or some shit. But are the,

we're not, you're not doing us the service of hearing the people who decided to enter physical space, why they are there really rather than your commentary from a hundred thousand feet away and speculating and then basing you know being able to shape the entire narrative from there rather than hearing it from people's mouth well i think that goes back to who was listening i mean as i said earlier i think if you're in 2022 if you're getting your commentary and your news and your news from npr i think that you're in 2022, if you're getting your commentary and your news and your news from NPR, I think that you're not looking for anything radical.

I think that you're not looking to be moved into action or feeling discomfort or feeling bad or feeling complicit. You know, heaven forbid. I think that if you're not and not again, not to disparage NPR listeners. I listen to some of their programming. My parents, I grew up on public radio you know not to disparage them but i think that what you're describing is perhaps not someone who is looking for that kind of you know those kinds of feelings from their their commentary or their news they're not looking to feel engaged in that way i don't think yeah yeah so anyways uh zeitgang if you if you uh feel the same way if you hear like an npr clip that is particularly egregious hit me up i'm i'm going to keep thinking about this and i'd love to you know get get more evidence uh or you know more more thoughts on it so so hit me up you

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