The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 225 (Best of 5/9/22-5/13/22)

Episode Date: May 15, 2022

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laugh-stravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very talented writer, stand-up comedian, podcast host of the Bechdelcast podcast, which takes down the patriarchy one movie at a time. She also happens to have a master's degree in film and the most anagrammable name in the english language oh yes so depending on whether you've been given her name on an assortment of scrabble tiles you might

know her as nine tit dracula latin dancer uti but in our hearts she will always be caitlin dorante Thank you so much. A.K.A. Canine Tail Turd. Yes, those are the worst. When the tail gets too fluffy. When the tail gets too fluffy and then there's a little surprise waiting when you go to comb it out. That's like a real thing. That's a dog dingleberry, yeah. Like Latin Dancer UTI, that's not

touching on anything. Nine Tit Dracula either. Not to, you know, cast aspersions on those fantastic names, but Dog, wait, was it Canine Tail Turd? Canine Tail Turd. I can, the merch is making itself. It's beautiful. Oh, and that's courtesy of, oh, sorry, I just want to give credit where credit is due. That was courtesy of Andy Townshend, a.y townshend aka flump on the discord i hope that information is still all correct because this was shared with me oh some some months ago

but oh okay good good you had it you were just sitting on that yeah i'm just yeah like a dog with a canine tail turd you were just sitting on canine tail turd this whole time this is ready yeah don't she got that thing on her, man. Run up, get done up with a doctor. Caitlin, I got to ask you,

I didn't see the movie, but when I saw the trailer, I said, I have to know what Caitlin thinks of this. The unbearable weight of, was it massive talent? Yes. The Nick Cage film only.

And you know, I'm asking why I want to talk to you because from the only thing I really gleaned from that film is there is an energetic debate over paddington 2 being the best film of all time correct so pedro pascal's character deems it his third favorite movie of all time which he's insufficient about because it's should be number one sure but they then and then nicholas cage is like what are you talking about? That's ridiculous. And then they watch it together. And then they're both in tears and saying, like, Paddington 2 is incredible.

And he's like, I told you. And then there's a callback to it later on in the film. So multiple Paddington 2 references. Obviously the best part of the entire movie. The movie itself is pretty fun. You know, it's a fun romp. entire movie the movie itself is it's pretty fun you know it's a it's a fun romp but the paddington two references really elevate it to to something great that they they know what they're doing that this is for the culture exactly you know absolutely and they take it seriously it's not like a joke where like he's he's dumb because he likes paddingtonton 2. No. It's like he actually knows.

We respect these characters more because they acknowledge the greatness of Paddington 2. Of Paddington 2. Yeah. What the fuck? Have you seen it yet, Miles or Jack? No, I'm going to. Oh, that's the next one I think I might see in a theater. It's not streaming yet, right?

I'm talking about Paddington 2. I don't give a shit about... go, I might see in a theater. It's not streaming yet, right? I'm talking about Paddington 2. I don't give a shit about Oh, I want to see the debate. I'm asking you, Miles, if you've seen Paddington 2 yet. I know it's the beginning of the week, but you got to get your head straight, man. We're talking about Paddington 2, man. You're all fucking, you're upside down on all this shit, man.

Try to keep up, motherfucker. Have you seen it? No, I fucked up oh you promised you made a promise to me i know and you know and it was a hard time i was voting for joe biden around then i was doing all kinds of stuff i normally wouldn't do right going against a lot of things i believe and i apologize that is my failure that i will. And I will rectify it by the time. You know what? Not even on mic. I will see it before I even record with you on Wednesday.

What? Right, because we are recording a Bechtelcast episode with Byron. And I'm not going to step in there. Paddington 2. So this is not that big of a promise. No, it's not on Paddington 2. That would be amazing. You're like, I promise. And then you show up and you're like,

ah, sorry. All right, Kaylin. Jamie, I'm kind of fucked up bad again. Hey, I fucked up. I watched the ultimatum for a third time in a row. All the way through. I don't know what's wrong with me. Oh, man.

If I had a Paddington 2 screening party, would you come? Yes. I'll have had a paddington 2 screening party would you come yes okay maybe i'll just host that paddington 2 screening party i'm fuck it to make up for it can can i can i go to amc and then rent out the theater have a private screening of paddington 2 on their screen yeah please do that i feel like that's the only way i can make up for this to be honest yeah i'm like acting like a like a stepdad who forgot about their stepkids birthday i'm like yeah and now i'm gonna go way overboard because i fucked up materially so it'd make up for my lack of emotional contributions when when you have a an opinion that is like correct but lesser known and then like people kind of start to come around on it i feel like it can go

a couple of different ways how like when that was on screen in the movie they were basically doing the same thing that you've been doing for for years how did that feel were you were you did you feel honored did you just feel like okay there is some truth universe? Well, I already knew about the truth of the universe. And the truth being that Paddington 2 is the greatest film of all time. I did feel validated. It did feel like they were kind of cosplaying as me. Right. So that kind of makes me sort of like a superhero.

Yeah. Because you cosplay superheroes. So I really did feel like a hero and a soldier. And have the filmmakers commented on whether that was explicit subtext like them cosplaying as you?

Well, because I can take sole credit for being the only person. For Paddington 2 being good. The observation that it's a great film. I believe it, honestly, in my heart. I am always curious because when I was younger and somebody really liked a band and then the people found out about the band, the people who originally liked it would be like, nah, fuck that.

I don't like the band anymore now that everybody else likes the band i feel like that has become less of a popular position that they would be like they sold out right because that always baffled me because you're basically operating under the same principle or ideology as like conformity where you're letting other people's opinion influence how you feel about something no no it's not bad it's just that i'm not cool anymore for liking this obscure band and now that they're now everyone's like objectively they're a good band i'm like oh fuck yeah the obscurity was the thing apparently that they my whole personality was liking things

people don't know about and rejecting things that are widely accepted that's still a major thing in fan culture with like people who are like well i was into like marvel before there was mcu and everything you say about it is going to annoy me now that like there are such things as casual fans oh yeah yeah there's a few people who uh like family friends who got me into comics who like i hear them the way they talk about marvel now it's truly on something like bro i was living that shit page by page man before fucking john favreau came along have either of you seen dr strange speaking of marvel mcu oh no i've seen i think three mcu films in my whole life oh right i forget this about you yeah i'm wildly inconsistent with the kinds of things i

watch i've not seen it i was a little scared off by the title that sounds like a lot of dr strange in the mult in the multiverse of madness yeah Yeah. I don't like conflict. I don't like madness when people are mad at me or the universe seems... A strange doctor? A strange doctor? Get me out of here, man. No, sir.

I want my doctors to be not strange. Straight down the middle and trustworthy. Yeah. Where's Dr. Trusting Eyes? All I know is that there's no there are no paddington 2 references in dr multiverse of madness so it's not really a good movie which is disappointing i think to everyone exactly jabari we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Well, honestly, most of what I've been researching lately is footage and background for the finals file.

But truthfully, the very last thing that I searched was this morning. It was Steven Seagal running because it was pointed out on another podcast. And even though I've seen all of his 80s and 90s films, I'm pro sleepover, by the way, as well. Even though I saw most of them, for whatever reason, it never stood out to me. But needless to say, it absolutely did not disappoint. I encourage you guys to do it. And since he's a pretty reprehensible individual, allegedly, I don't feel guilty about laughing at it. It basically looks like he runs with someone else's arms attached to his body.

Really? Yeah, that's exactly what it is. He's such a sleepover all-star, he only wears pajamas now. Like, this dude just walks around in the most comfortable of clothing. Oh, yeah. He run like a brand-new out-the-box Terminator. Yes. Or like a baby giraffe in my mind that that makes me think of the t-1000

who runs in a very like yeah with his arms whereas steven seagal's arms like don't really know what to do that's what i'm saying like he's new he's new he's new to this like he hasn't fully been like no i'm on my t-1000 you guys remember that old 90s movie, Body Parts, where I think it was like Jeff Fahey was in it, and they get into a car crash, and then they put his body back together with the body parts of a murderer, and they're not

functioning properly. I remember the poster for this film that was a bunch of limbs with cables coming out of it. Yeah, that's basically what he looks like running. Okay. That makes sense. That's the premise of so many movies where it's like i gotta so i have the kid the eyes in my head now of a murderer and i have never never all that successful but that's a challenge to anyone was this like in an era where like transplant surgeries were like becoming more like survivable and like useful so then someone you know some coked out writer and is like dude

what if like you got fucking murder arm well it comes from us from the original coked out writer mary shelly oh sure with the frank and the original frankenstein for some reason we're gonna go back to the bible the original coked out writer the original god i. For some reason, we're going to go back to the Bible. The original Coke Outrider. The original God. I think a lot of people stole the idea from that well-known documentary Face Off. Right, exactly. Shit, what am I talking about?

It hasn't been done well. It's been done perfectly. And I need to show it. But that's more like, that's less of like, does this foreign appendage or organ affect who you are? Yeah, it never takes over their body. In fact, it's just them in a great disguise, but they are 100% themselves. Other than some parts where Nick Cage, as John Travolta, is looking in the mirror.

He's like, ah! Ah! So his reflection is messing him up. is like looking in the mirror and he's like Gah! So like his reflection is messing him up. Idle hands? There was that one with Devin Sawa? Yeah, there's a lot of them. But that was more of like a possessed

hand that he had. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm talking about is like the possessed hand, the possessed eyes, the possessed... There was a VHS box that made me think Steve Martin might have starred in one, but maybe the man with two brains? I don't actually know what that was about. It's been a while.

It's been a while. What's something you guys think is overrated? I think sparkling water is overrated. Okay. I'm a tap person. Oh. I guess I get that some people don't like tap or can't drink still water, but I don't personally understand it.

Do you disagree on that then, Paul? Okay. Didn't mean to cause some tension here. Do you like sparkling at all? Or you said, no, I don't need that. I'm fine. Seen gas. Sparkling?

No. I mean, so I don't mind fizz like soda or like a Red Bull, but I don't get the sparkling water thing. I think it's a little hoity-toity. Oh, wow. I like that. Digging away. Your inner Philly.

We did not coordinate. That's the thing. Maybe we should have. I didn't realize. I didn't realize you hated sparkling water't realize. I didn't realize you hated Sparkling Water so much, Paul. I didn't realize you hated me so much. We're trying to turn this into Crossfire where you guys are just going at each other.

Sparkling Water sucks. Mesh, go. You're a butler. I have a SodaStream in my house. Yeah, I just got one. They're great. I feel you on this, Paul. When I'm thirsty, I'm not thinking, Yeah, I just got one. They're great. I feel you on this, Paul. When I'm thirsty, I'm not thinking, oh, I need a

sparkling water. I'm like, I need water so I can down a bunch of fluid without my chest bursting because of the intensity at which I drink things when I'm thirsty. You know what I'm talking about? When you start going, you take a two-fizzy... And then your chest feels like it's going to, like,

fucking alien babies about to pop out. Yeah. So I don't like it for that, but, like, I like it to, you know, I'll mix drinks with sparkling water and things like that. You just like to have, like, to sip on. But, like, for pure hydration, there's no fucking way I could be like, I need a Pellegrino. Yeah, see someone with sparkling water in the gym? that wouldn't make sense right oh what so see well i'd have something

to say or i wouldn't say something but i would be judgmental in my mind i wanted to say under my breath after i left i went into an infrared sauna the other day and you know you get bottles of water and you go into it and they were only stocked with sparkling water i think someone made a mistake so i'm in the sauna and i'm like chugging it and then don't realize it's sparkling water and they didn't have regular water in that case sparkling water does not work uh when you're in 175 degree heat no and then i'm sure the burps are like criminal in an environment that hot yeah what's uh what's something you think is underrated uh my answer is asking for help okay i love to ask for help i do it all the time and i

think people are so uncomfortable doing it or view it as a weakness and i'm like oh man just ask for help i'm recovering from pretty major knee surgery. And I've had to have people help me a lot along the way. And when I landed in New York, I landed in LaGuardia during my book tour. And my mom was traveling with me, which was so nice. And she was like, you know what? We should just get you a wheelchair for here because this airport's too big. And I was like, I felt like kind of bad about it.

I was like, well, I could technically do that. I could technically walk and I could technically, you know, and she was like, just get the wheelchair. And I was like, okay. Yeah. I've seen you. I think you definitely could use the wheelchair for sure. You're still limping. You're still limping. Like you don't have to push yourself if you're still limping, Allison. Agreed. Yeah, it's just like it's lovely. And also allowing people the opportunity to help you. You know, like when I find out that like friends or loved ones have gone through something and like not asked me for help when I could have maybe done something. I feel sad. I love when people ask me to help out. love when people ask me to help out yeah that's i i agree that is the secret to like a lot of people who i knew i've known like my whole adult life and they're very successful and the thing

that they seem to be really good at is just be being like oh i'm not afraid at all to ask you know a company a person whatever it is i'm just like yeah this like most people will say yes and then there's also this dynamic where i think it was like benjamin franklin talked about it where by asking someone to do you a favor they are more likely to like you in the long run which sounds like a weird like you know yeah yeah exactly it's like dale carnegie bullshit but it also i i think it reveals something about what what you're saying that like people do like to help if you if you give them a chance to so it also like weirdly builds intimacy you know to be there for someone it kind

of strengthens your relationship yeah yeah how about you gabby what is something you think is underrated uh joy and here's what i'll say here's what i'll say i've got it i got a rant ready oh boy gabby loves to have a big lead-in to whatever they say i'm so ready for this one the answer joy is the way. No, on our podcast together that me and Allison do just between us, I call it Conspiracy Corner

where I'm like, get ready for Conspiracy Corner and then I gear up with whatever conspiracy I want to talk about for 10 minutes while Allison just nods. So I'm not going to do that to you guys.

But I, a friend of mine, two friends of mine wrote a movie called Crush that's on Hulu. It's a movie that is just pure queer joy. It's just a lovely film, right? And the New York Times person reviewed it. And I don't know her sexuality, but I'm going to, I think, believe me, I went a little bit

crazy and I looked into her and I think she is straight. And the point that I want to make is that I took a lot of issue with the review of the film because of one word in it, which is flimsy. She calls the film flimsy. Now, to me, let's zoom out to call a film that is full of happiness and joy and love. Flimsy sucks to me. And to especially at a time when queer youth are so under attack, when trans kids are so under attack, when anti LGBT legislation towards kids is so heightened and so in the news, even if it doesn't get passed, it still creates an environment where queer kids believe that they are less than because the government is even considering this stuff because the news covers like trans swimmer and what does this mean and whatever to like not have the context of the political situation right now of the daily zeitgeist as it were uh to call a film like that flimsy is at best irresponsible at worst homophobic thank you damn here here and now everybody listening needs to go watch crush that sounds more than that make more queer movies that are joyful make more in general movies about young people that are joyful thank you there you

go yeah yeah i saw so much pushback about like lost city where even people who like really loved it are like, well, yeah, I mean, it's not a good movie, but I loved it. And I was like,

no, if you loved it, it was a good movie. It's not that like, yeah, maybe it's not tackling like world hunger and like horrible sadness, but it is very hard to create something that people enjoy. So if someone enjoys it,

then it is well done. It might just be a different genre than what we nominate for the Oscars. 100%. You can have fun at the movies and it doesn't have to be like, I just think like where I'm over trauma porn. Yeah, I think you'll that. Yeah, absolutely.

And it's and it's a skill to make something that makes you happy. Like, it's not like, oh, I didn't try at all. And I just made a two hour film that everyone giggled at and loved and felt happy during. But, oh, that's a piece of trash. Like, it's correct. It's going to be really interesting to see what the Oscars do with everything, everywhere, all at once, which is... 100%. Very interesting. Universally beloved, critically acclaimed.

It does not... It is a shot of joy, just like adrenaline and joy to the heart. And also it makes you cry. But I do wonder if the Oscars will be able to make room for that in their cold, shriveled heart. Yeah, talk overrated, the Oscars. And this comes from an Oscars gay. I love the Oscars. Everything I love is attacked.

I'm a Disney gay, I'm an Oscars gay, and everything is just ruined. Hey, worth fighting for. I thought you were just about to say, and this comes from an Academy Award winner. That would be amazing. I was going to feel very bad. I won for Conspiracy Corner, actually. Yeah, it's a classic. Best original documentary.

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doing like just trying to figure out what the fuck is going on with our country and what what the future could look like because it almost like the future almost feels more unimaginable than it ever has at this point and so what one question i think a lot of people have is like, what rights could be next based on based on this opinion that was right? Because, yeah, like we were talking about last week, the logic that Justice Alito is essentially laying out is like, well, the Constitution doesn't mention women or the word abortion. abortion. So which is terrifying when you consider how many of our current rights and laws are not in the Constitution verbatim. Yeah. And many have said, you know, same sex marriage could be next. And I'm not sure how quickly they're going to go for like a full scale, like just like rapid repeal of like all of these laws, because I know at the same time you can tell the Republicans are struggling with this or how they just cannot use the word abortion out loud right now. They're like

the leak or something. So now you got to just kind of look at where a lot of this energy is swirling. And you can tell that there's a lot of homophobia in the tank with the GOP right now. And just recently, last week, there was a letter from just a few distinguished shitbag senators from Utah, Kansas, North Dakota, and Indiana. They are coming at the TV ratings people. Like, you know when you put a TV show on that says PG or like Y7 or whatever, MA?

Coming at those people, leaning on them saying, hey, we need to have a meeting and we need to talk because I don't know if you heard about all this LGBTQ stuff out there, but we were asking is maybe you need to create some kind of new rating or category that alerts homophobes to the presence of LGBTQ characters or themes. And this letter, I mean, it reveals a few things. It reveals how they, what they,

you know, how they even view anyone who's not cis het human, as well as just kind of they're still like they're still simmering beef with Disney because they use Disney to kick off the outrage. They said, quote, Recently, a video emerged showing a prominent executive at a children's entertainment giant saying she supports having, quote, many, many, many LGBTQIA plus characters in our stories. having quote many many many lgbtqia plus characters in our stories to the detriment of children gender dysphoria has become sensationalized in the popular media and television with radical activists and entertainment companies the radical and sexual sensation not only harms children but also destabilizes and damages parental rights they talk about how they're going against the don't say gay bill about the you know bans classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity. And they go on to say sexual orientation and gender identity instruction often entails a discussion concerning an individual's pattern of emotional, romantic and sexual attraction. Yeah, that's that just sounds like you're learning some facts.

Right. But let's not, again, forget that conservatives, as it relates to anything dealing with gay rights, is that their mentality is like, well, if you even hear that two men could kiss, that could instantly create a homosexual. By the mere mention, by the mere viewing of it, that is how malleable our brains are. Don't don't think for a second people who are people know innately who they are deep down on some level it's this it's the they that they heard about this that is going to present an issue they go on to say a former creator of disney children's content recently published an article acknowledging that every children's tv writer knows to be careful about quote modeling behavior end quote as children will often imitate what is projected through the TV scripts, especially preschoolers. Again. Yeah, sure. What they mean is don't show a kid. Don't maybe have your character sticking forks into light sockets.

Yeah, that part. But I'm not like I'm not over here being like, yo, mom, can I get some paint so I can go paint a tunnel view on this wall and hopefully get some cars to drive through it? And the modeling behavior is, yeah, we would like to create a world where people feel free to be themselves and so we don't want to model a world where like a certain type of person doesn't exist or that type of person is like treated hostily as they have been in our culture like up until you know a couple years ago yeah literally right the thing of it is is like when we all know this none of this is about modeling. It's all about supremacy. It's all about control. I almost feel sad now when I see people almost ironically sharing the America's going to be the handmaid's tale. When we share those types of memes and whatnot. Because that's the reality. We are all headed to 1982 Footloose style.

That is the lifestyle that these legislators seem to you'll seem to want and and and i'll be honest with you it's it's actually terrifying like i don't have children but you know you know those of us that have kids that's for me that's a terrifying thought that not only are we you know are we rolling it back but it's being forcibly rolled back and and and until you're kind of a point that you brought up jack earlier jack i or i think it was a miles i feel like this is absolutely coming like they are absolutely going to come for all of this this is this is low-hanging fruit right so while you may not go and say we need to we need to repeal uh same-sex marriage you say well let's turn up the

heat in other places maybe we can disappear lgbtq people from anything a child may see right and that's and they have a lot of energy to back that this letter does go on to even use just like completely just inaccurate shit they say when they're again when they're talking about how the children's content like especially why seven things and how dangerous that could be to have anybody who is not a straight person on there. They said this dialogue often involves the promotion of

irreversible experimental treatments that involve surgical and otherwise invasive cosmetic procedures that are detrimental and life altering and do not evidence medical necessity. What fucking show is that that kids are watching what are you and this is again because everything is about blowing things out of completely out of proportion to get the energy the panic the frenzy the fear monk just at at the highest level so you can direct that at will you know

and honestly using the using the the mindset of, Oh, well, it wasn't in the constitution. It's like, Hey, you know, first of all, let's give the founding fathers a break. They were more focused on being able to like own people in American imperialism and things of that nature. They were like women. What are you talking about? I think one of the people who wrote the constitution, like kept their wife in like chained in a basement.

Like, I'm pretty sure that's accurate. I mean, I'm sure they kept many people chained somewhere. So, wife or not, I can see the barbarism of it all. And then, so, you know, we don't, this is all just coming down to the fact that they have to they want to institutionalize even further this like abhorrent homophobia. And so as they want to disappear, these people in the name of protecting children, I think Evan Hurst at Wonkat actually pointed something very interesting out about like how these parents of like hyper conservative Christian parents are, is that if anyone's grooming anyone, these parents are grooming their kids to be cishet self-loather bigots who do not actually, who are not going to honor who they are. That's the momentum. That's the environment that these parents are creating. One environment is one that says, do not feel ashamed of who you are as a person. You can come as you are and you are worthy.

The other version is, where'd you fucking hear that? Don't look at that. Don't a person. You can come as you are and you are worthy. The other version is, where'd you fucking hear that? Don't look at that. Don't see that. You might turn you this. And if that happens, then that means this. That is a world filled with a lot of negative energy for a child. I'm pretty sure comparatively, that's how that looks from my perspective. They're grooming current children to be like our grandparents. And no disrespect to anybody's grandparents, but that time in life was not a good time in life for anybody. They had some things to work on, you know, my grandparents included. You know, we all did.

And again, and I think it's, you know, to use the word groom or whatever, it's whatever. But I think just interesting to look at what the energy is being into. And if you're talking about you want to take a child to a certain conclusion about what the world is or what their life could be and to add to that too the conservatives are still going on with this like furry panic thing like we've i mean we didn't really talk about it much because it was just so ridiculous that you had conservatives being like they're putting litter boxes in bathrooms because kids identify as animals now or they're

furries or that they had to, in some states saying they had to lower the, the lunch tables to accommodate the children who identified as animals. And so we're, they're continuing this whole fucking trend as well, because I think it's clearly doing something. It's getting the attention even though most people don't understand it but i think because we live in such a charged environment

where like identity can now just mean anything and it's not about a human being they're just fully going into like okay let's further to like other and dehumanize people who are different in any possible way oh man the next election is going to be fucking I feel like so many of these things are like reaching their their final form or just like, yeah, and now it's all it's all about protecting the children. Yeah, but I just we've yet to hear a specific strategy that the Democrats are going to employ. Like what? That's where my feeling of inevitability comes from is that the democratic party doesn't have like the the republicans have a clear agenda that they are driving at strategizing around and have been for the past 40 years and the democratic party

doesn't seem willing to do anything like yeah yeah well i think you know i think the biggest thing is that when it comes to abortion that was never really something that was truly part of the platform it was it was you you start to see what the things they get done they can help take away regulations they can make things easier for the financial industry they can do things like that but as it relates to like codifying row never really seemed to be much interest there right and you know when it was when they were sending us emails asking for donations oh yeah i mean i got one this morning from nancy pelosi because she texts all of god's children with a checking account and says it's speaker pelosi hear me in some weird ass font you text

them like some i'm like how do you even get that font to show up in a text and well she was wearing kente cloth that that's how yeah yeah exactly she knew she's like hey brother turn that kendrick down real quick i got some i want to hit you to something uh and goes on to say i'll be blunt how we act in this harrowing moment will decide the future of our nation we can either either let right-wing forces pull us backwards or we can rise up together and fight to protect women's rights once and for all the only way to protect reproductive rights is to build on our Democratic majorities in the House and Senate and defeat every last anti-choice Republican

who made this happen. First of all, you are caping for Henry Cuellar in Texas, who's a Democrat who is anti-abortion. Right. So now square that shit because you're protecting people in the party that don't even believe this.

Look, I'm a political idiot. One of the reasons why I was drawn to this show to begin with, because I was like, look, these guys, they're teaching me some stuff. I really appreciate the way you guys phrase it. I appreciate. You already got the gig, bro. No, no. But I'm saying like this was literally like I'm talking about years, years back. That was the appeal. I was like, you know what? I need someone to talk to me like I am a five year old. And you guys, you guys do a great job of explaining things. And one thing I'll say is this to respond to something that you asked earlier, Jack, or that you earlier was, you know, what's the Democrats plan? You know, what's their strategy from it from a political idiot?

What it seems like it always has been is, hey, we're not them. Hey, we're better than them. Hey, just vote blue. That's all I've heard, at least over the last four years. And I'm not trying to dissuade anybody. I'm not trying to talk anybody into voting Republican or doing anything else. But that's what it feels like. It just feels like they're good enough with simply being a little bit better than the other side. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, because that's where the funding is yeah it's worked wonders yeah and like the the text of that uh the from nancy pelosi of now more than ever this is it like this is the moment like you sent me this text six years ago. And like probably three months ago.

Like I feel I feel like they're constantly evoking this shit. And then like now. Yeah, it just it doesn't work because text messages are so fucked up and absurd when you read them, given what is happening right now. Right. Right. People are fucking. There are people right now who are wondering, how the fuck am I going to do right by my own body right now? How do I do that? Yeah. And this text goes on to tweet in this same, or in the tweet, in the same text asking for money,

quote, quote, I need a once in a lifetime response, 10,000 gifts in the next 12 hours to put us in a position to win this fight and protect our fundamental rights. If we don't meet our goal, Republicans think they can get away with anything. So you've rhetorically tied the idea that if we do not give you our money, then our rights are fucking gone.

Yeah. That's how you're motivating people. All I ask is for one Democrat to come out and describe, like, what has prevented you from protecting women's rights? Why has that—so it's not enough to be like, ah, Manchin. So why is Manchin, like, beholden to the forces that he's beholden to? What are you doing? Like, what can you do? What is at stake in your mind?

What is at stake beyond, like, you know, your next election? What is at stake? What is the thing that motivates you? Is it like the the people who are going to suffer from this? Because you don't really seem to like reach out to them or talk about them. It's all about, you know, reaching out and asking for a once in a lifetime bunch of money. and for a once in a lifetime bunch of money. This is the thing. Like, Gavin Newsom, he, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know how sincere he is, but he was really like, where the hell is my party? Right. He's like, why aren't we standing up more firmly, more resolutely?

But he's also saying this at a rally. And it's much easier to be like, as a governor, be like, what are they doing over there? Because governors love to do that. That helps them seem like a little bit disconnected from like the larger, you know, national party politics of it all. But that was the most forceful thing I read in a headline was Gavin Newsom being like, dude, where's my party? But I don't know it's there's gotta be like a bunch of democratic strategists who are reaching out to aoc being like this is your moment like come in run for the presidency next like for 2024 like the things are too too bad for to like for biden to win again i think all that's true the problem is the people who are reaching out are democratic strategists.

Like, you know, it would, it would need to, I don't know how you unfuck the whole DMC of it all. We'll see. I mean, cause right now they're still,

they're sending text messages like I need gifts. You need gifts. Motherfucker. People are asking for rights i need gifts is exactly like what our faces with i need oh my god that's so horrible what just happened to you i need presents from you now like more than ever actually and then making you feel guilty if you if you aren't able to or willing to do it that's oh yeah you know what was wild when i go through my texts like at the end of last week right right

before all this shit dropped got another text and the energy on that was like hey y'all shit's bad yeah republicans are might be leading by a point and you're're like, oh, this is. Yeah. That's all they have to motivate people. Because imagine this, right? It's like when we watch fucked up ads and we're like, how the fuck did that company let them make that ad? There was nobody in the room. Well, it's because everybody in the room was looking at it the same way. Yeah.

They didn't have any consideration how that looks outside the room because they don't even have the wherewithal to know that there is an outside the room that's right outside the room what's that or if there is they see it as outside the room is beholden to what we set in this room so i don't give a fuck what's happening outside the room i'm almost like morbidly curious to like go listen to one of those like pod save podcasts just to hear like what what they're what they're saying at this i mean that you know they're talking about like attorneys general and like those moves and things that are happening in that sense but you're not going to get like i don't i can't imagine you're going to hear the frustrations of the about with the party boil over right um and i think i don't know and again i think that's what's really interesting is you can only keep doing stuff like this till these things without any without any prompting that these sort of takes and texts and things look so hollow.

And you start you start realizing like, what the fuck? Like, we're talking about people's rights. And yeah, I'm getting hit up for money. people's rights and yeah i'm getting hit up for money it's like the first the first version of that is like when you graduate college and then like the first fall after graduating like hey man what's up man uh you're thinking about donating so and you're like what the fuck that's like most people's reactions right when they graduate that first piece of mail or whatever high school whatever like what the fuck are you talking about and that's how these texts are starting to sound to i think a lot of people but i, I think you kind of hit it on the head and not to belabor it. I'll, I'll make it quick. I, if you don't feel like, if you don't see people as people, if you don't ever interact with actual real people, you're not going to care.

And the, and, and, and that's how we end up in this situation. Like, let's be real. When's the last time, and I don't want to pick on, you know, speak, I don't want to pick on Nancy Pelosi, but when's the last time you think she's had a real conversation with someone like you or I? She would say, I met with constituents last week that my press team vetted before I was interacting with them. So they could say three very specific sentences to me about a topic that I, of my choosing. And it was wonderful. And they were actually disadvantaged. That's like quote unquote colored, but yes. Yeah.

Well, you know, she had her, she had her FUBU on for that meeting and everybody's inside a broken system. So, I mean, it's like, yeah,

but personally, right. Is he got men, uh, non uterus havers telling them uterus havers how to run their shit. Right. And you got, you got people

who wouldn't know what the fuck anything costs or how stretched and strapped people are for cash or some sense of stability people who are living the and the total antithesis of suffering indulgence over the top everything they're setting all the policy that determines how those people live and it's just there's the it's that's not representative in any way and i think that's you know i think i think many people are probably for the first time having a reckoning of like being like what the fuck i thought those were like rights and that like they matter enough that you would knuckle the fuck up to protect them. And then they go away. And now you're hearing crickets and Joe Biden being like, hey, get out and vote. And Nancy Pelosi asking for gifts. Yeah, I mean, we are recording this a little bit ahead of Monday. So maybe, you know, over the weekend, the Democrats are going to just drop a very detailed roadmap for how they're going to do everything. Great. Would love to see. I would love to be proven wrong. Would love for this to be outdated by the time y'all hear it.

But, I mean, and that's just one mess y'all got to clean up. Right. Don't think many people have, you know, don't think people who thought or who were talking about immigration have forgotten what's going on with that. Or what people who are interested in voting rights or criminal justice like retangible reforms not little winks and nods at shit but like really changing shit um because if you're not fit for it that's just starting to i'm you know i'm not i'm just looking at the data that's out there that's all we really need a third party we really fucking need a third party at this point i mean there are plenty right you know there are plenty other political part but like

where's the organization coming from etc and i don't and i'm sure they will do everything to kill a third party and it's oh yeah the second it happens because that is the that is the biggest threat to them it's like well if they split off and get these other votes, then we're going to have to start doing our own gerrymandering to cut out the independents' shit from voting. Yeah. It has always felt like that was the game, though. They recognize they're not really

competing with one another. They're just keeping each other in business. Absolutely. Look, one says we're... I mean, as much as the Democrats are like, we think people should have access to abortion. OK, now prove it. Right. That's all. That's really it. That's really it. And that that may that may help you get a little bump in the polls. I mean, yeah, the most cynical version of this is that like the DNC wanted this to get out to try and like get the voters to realize what's at stake if they don't vote for us. Yeah.

Yeah. It's close. He had that font ready to go and she was just waiting. She needed somebody to create a story for her to use it on. Texting me like you some Tumblr refugee with your stylized text and shit. The fuck was that? You want fucking gifts? The gifts I just can't get over. And I'm sure plenty of people you've ever given or you're registered Democrat or whatever, you're probably getting these absurd texts. And I'm sure all you can do is look at that and be like this. It looks you

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one of many pieces of bad news. But the whole, like, rhetoric coming off of the right that, the right that like anybody who talks to children, makes room for children to have questions or even have gender affirming health care or, you know, messages around them is a groomer. So this guy, Jack Califano, tweeted last night, the groomer and pedophile thing are the clearest moment where I've thought, oh, wow, they really are planning on killing a lot of people eventually. is government complicity, which is not hard to imagine in a 2024 Trump administration, and a source of information that is just reinforcing this messaging over and over again. And Rwanda was like state radio. But like, I don't know, it's just we're in a really dangerous place, and I don't know how it gets less dangerous before, you know.

Like we've seen the story of people accosting families with gay parents in public, telling them, telling the kids they need to get away from their parents because they're groomers. And in the mainstream, we've seen like the panic over like the quote from a Disney call where they're just talking about spreading acceptance and messaging about acceptance and diversity in their work. And they've turned that into they're trying to brainwash our kids and groom them to victimize them sexually. I don't know. That tweet really struck me as actually true like something we should be thinking about more and not to be like, we need to be like terrified.

But this is a very like dangerous undercurrent that's only getting like louder and more surface level, I feel like. I think people should be more terrified. Yeah. Yeah. It's terrifying overall because this is also a smokescreen for coming from real pedophiles. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, let's let's let's really look at this even further. This is a complete you know, this is a tactic in a group of people that we know are involved in trafficking and sex rings with children. And now that's like, you know, to kind of reapply and to sort of project this onto, you know, the gay population and to try to use sort of the widespreadness of us trying to

like understand more and to try to be accepting of trans people of all ages, right? You know, this is a scary time and we should not be going backwards and forgetting. And like, it just, it sucks because like when you use things like pedophilia, it makes it for people to be pedophiles right because people to redirect that attention somewhere else and it's like meanwhile there's kids that are being hurt like i don't want to you know say that we shouldn't be aware of that because that is a real problem but like it's such a slippery slope to move in to be like no now let's just kill all gay people because gay people are the reason why pedophilia exists and that's that they're not the same thing that that's they're totally mutually the conflation is precisely what they're going for and correct i mean you just even look right

because for all the talk of like you know you're gonna have to vote your way out of this or whatever i mean do you look at the maps and how gerrymandered there are it's most political forecasters like i don't think that i don't know how the fuck the Democrats are going to get a real majority in the Senate again. If you look at how these maps are going, how the gerrymandering works, the voter suppression that. Are they even thinking about it from their perspective, too? It's like the the deck is getting stacked increasingly. Yeah. And it's the chances of like being able to turn over politicians at a high rate is not very realistic. And I think the other thing that people don't realize, too, is how gridlocked state houses are, too, especially in red states.

It's it's very difficult. So I think I don't know. I mean, I think this is this is just something that generally deserves more awareness, because like like we're saying, even with this this with how alito is talking about this decision the logic is almost it's basically boiling down to if it's not literally in the constitution it's not a right yeah jesus christ yeah so that leads to gay marriage that leads to contraception that leads to so many other things like that now some states aren't going to do it the way you know like everyone but like we we touched on yesterday or the day before, how this could also lead to like intrastate legal battles about trying to extradite people, like to say this, this doctor gave abortion care to this person from the state where it's illegal. And I want to charge you with attempted murder or something like that. That is another quagmire that is, you know, on the

horizon as well with as things get more litigious and fraught. And accusations of like child abuse and child murder and things like that are always heavily involved in, you know, the early stages of a buildup to genocide, like the anti-Semitic belief that Jews were ritually murdering children was like a big part of like blood libel, which eventually, you know, led to the Holocaust, you know, and all of this would be like less concerning if we didn't live in a society where right-wing violence is like tolerated and left-wing protesting for human rights is equated with terrorism like that is that is the mainstream response like that's you know we we talked about it with susan collins but there has been so much

right-wing extremism and like the response from the right is to like openly put like screen a documentary where they're like this is an attack on you like something that like amps up the rhetoric like tucker carlson had that like january 6th like documentary that was basically claiming that any sort of attempt to address right-wing extremism is a like political act by the left, a political act of like attacking. And it's just so dangerous and heading in a more dangerous direction. And there's just like nothing really pushing back on it, you know? You know? Yeah. I mean, again, why it's even more important to begin looking in your own community and understanding like, you know, those how mutual aid works, because it you know, there are there are there's there is a possibility for a positive outcome. But the way leadership is now in this country, it's hard to know that. I mean, there's just like they're so out of touch with everything that's happening. Katie Porter, who's the Congress Congresswoman from California,

who regularly gives really moving speeches or like interrogates bankers or other people. She apparently like in a closed session meeting with other Democrats, she like got really emotional just talking about how expensive like just literally bacon is at the store and how many families are looking to be like holy shit sandwich bread is like five bucks yeah like how the fuck do now i'm on the search for something that's like under four or cereals like seven or six and a half and she was talking about just her experience as a as a provider and the and the even the stress she felt of being like i don't know if i can buy ten dollar a ten dollar pack of bacon when i go to the store and apparently she was saying after that she said it was the first time she saw her colleagues kind of connect

with what she was saying and they said but this isn't showing that she said somebody came up to another congressperson said this isn't showing up in the polling. And she said, you're not asking the right fucking question. Correct. And that's, I think, so revealing is that so many there's only like a handful of people that are in Congress that are like, man, this shit is so bad for normal people. Like half of y'all are millionaire. Mostly are millionaires. Yeah.

So what the fuck would you know about? Like you would barely bat an eye at a $5 loaf of bread because the $5 is nothing to you. But if you have a budget and shit's increasing by orders of like 20% at a time, that throws your whole fucking life off. And that's the thing that they're not connecting with. And so many other things that, you know, like every even likeos that are talking about the rise of fascism in the u.s they're like yeah the way to combat it would be to combat inequality yeah yeah that's it don't don't allow the tension people experience to be co-opted by other people's narratives to say to put fascism and shit in their head and be like and that's why you're broke yeah well i think it's so important to like people on the coasts you know what i mean

it's so easy because we do make more money people who live on the coast you know what i mean than the rest of the country and i think it's so easy to get out of perspective and get so angry about the wrong stuff you know what i mean and not that like there's right stuff and wrong stuff but there kind of is you know what i mean like you need to be aware of what all these decisions are doing and how they're impacting the people that live in the middle and live in other areas like being down here even in the cities we're in you know correct you know it could be the other side of the city that you don't drive to that you don't see you know what i mean it's like you just need to open your eyes and be aware like being down here the south has definitely like given me a new perspective on everything.

You know what I mean? Because there's just such a huge juxtaposition of very, very poor and people who are just like not on the fucking Internet. You know what I mean? And just stuff that is a little bit different. But there's such a divide in our country and it is terrifying. It's terrifying and it's sad. such a divide in our country and it is terrifying it's terrifying and it's sad and i think we just need to be able to get over like our philosophy as a nation that needing help is bad because i think that that's that mentality extends to you know men in the just ridiculously high suicide

rates and other things like there's just there's not a culture of saying you're vulnerable in this country and that's that's not okay because like oh what's your poor okay how poor are you right right do you deserve this like what the fuck i said i need help i said i can't afford food and now you're means testing this shit i just need help or and and the shame that goes along with that and i think and that we're we're constantly making people feel ashamed of that rather than saying we need to just embrace people that need help. And that's fine. People need to be more open to say, I mean, not to say people aren't expressing that, but culturally, that's still we're still not at that point where there's not a stigma behind it. Yeah. And we embrace that.

And there's not a full time jobs worth of work to get the help, which is currently the way it works. Right. Yeah, and not at school. So it's like you have to sacrifice either your own job, your child care or your child's education in order to facilitate, like you said, getting those services. Right. There's some stuff you can't even do online. You got to go in there. You got to show them some piece of paper. You got to, you know, it's terrible. It's like how you expect someone to work and then also come in here between 8 and 2 p.m.

We don't. And that's how we save money. That here between 8 and 2 p.m. We don't. Okay, cool. And that's how we save money. That's how the government saves money. Yeah. And then we can still pat ourselves on the back and say, hey, I signed that bill. I helped. I allowed for that.

I voted. Yeah. But we kneecap that little provision to the point that this is going to do fuck all. Don't worry. But I can tell people that I'm doing that for money. And resources to take advantage of every break the government wants to give them is corporations and rich people. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show.

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Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports.

Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball.

And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke.