The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 226 (Best of 5/16/22-5/20/22)

Episode Date: May 22, 2022

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I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry.

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The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined by a brilliant poet, political activist, academic MC, and podcast host of the must-listen Hood Politics with Prop on Cool Zone Media. Please welcome the brilliant and talented Jason Petty, a.k.a. Propaganda!

What up, what up, what up, what up, what up, west, west, what i west west west west west west west coast you know what i'm saying what's new what's new hey man nothing changed but the weather you know what i'm saying there it is like the old folks would be like hey you know i'm saying same shit exactly exactly tell you something real some sort of some sort of can't complain wouldn't do nothing anyway so you're you're in uh atlanta georgia can you are you able to tell people that that you're you're out there yeah yeah no i'm uh some of y'all may know i'm a avid coffee enthusiast enthusiast enthusiast i like coffee and just working on a couple projects last year we did a I did like a a collab drop, you know, with a roaster called Onyx, little small lot thing. So now I got this other partner I'm working with out in Atlanta out here.

So I was doing what's called a cupping, which is just basically like you've ever been to like a wine tasting. Oh, yeah. Like that for coffee. Oh wow. Wow. Yeah. You spit it out. You do. Cause it's a lot of coffee. Like you should definitely spit it out. Oh wait.

So what is a cupping? How many, like how many coffees are you trying in a city? Okay. So usually it depends on how big the cupping is, but like usually there's, you try to go clockwise. So there's four per round per round shit okay yes no you're yeah you it's getting that's why i was like yeah spit it out and first you like you grind it you smell

it dry you know and then you're writing you know when you buy a bag of coffee it has all those flavor notes written on there sure yeah so this is where those come from and then there's a number there's actually like a i don't know it sounds like i'm deep in the hole here but it's not there's a uh an actual like agreed upon like standardized number of ratings for like a quality of coffee for something to be considered like specialty coffee it's got to be like an 80 an 80 or above it's on a scale of like one to a hundred got you so you know if you're gonna do like the specialty like coffee shop coffee not like the like you know java chip you know right the the those are that's more like second wave usually

those are like those are more rated in like either the high 70s or very low 80s do they ever just throw some folgers in there to fuck with you yeah you're gonna catch it immediately you know what i'm saying and and what's funny about folgers is like it's because by the time it got into the can uh in that in the in the little plastic can that they airtight sealed it's like that coffee's like a year old right before it even got to the shelf you know what i'm saying yeah yeah so uh yeah so anyway what's folgers score at like a 25 yeah folgers is like what's left on the table we'll buy all of it oh so it's the it's the it's the shake what's left broke yeah after you broke the

pound down whatever's left on the table you bag that up and call folgers yeah that top five percent those like 90s and 95s and like 98 rates they don't even make it to america like dubai qatar like the middle east buys all those so we're not even getting the best coffee wow you know i'm saying it really is like drugs we're like no you're not actually it's not even getting like it does in other places it gets stepped on on its way here yeah you don't even get that they don't even show it to you like if you're an american buyer like the farmer's not even gonna show it to you because it's like oh you can't afford this don't even worry about it hey you can try about it. Hey, you can try Folgers though.

Yo, we got these C minus grades. You know what I'm saying? All right. So I've been doing something lately. So for a while I switched off to tea and was doing some matcha. Then I went down to Guatemala, had to partake in the coffee there, have not backed off of the coffee since then, but I have been putting half water, half coffee in my cup in the morning. And I just want you to tell me how disgusting and stupid that is.

Go ahead. Listen, man, there's a bell curve of, I mean, that sounds awful, but there is a bell curve of i mean that sounds awful but there is there is there is a bell curve of like like anything it's like when you first discover it you're like a new christian about it you know so you're like evangelizing with everybody and then you hit like a snobbity right yeah and then that's where everybody's like oh god i that's yeah everybody knows the coffee snob but then you come down the other end of that to where you're just like, look, dude, you like what you like. Yeah. Now, an Americano is that it's an espresso shot that you add water to, you know. Now, granted, if you're just brewing a regular drip cup of coffee and then adding water, I'm like hot water.

Yeah, there's probably a better way to do this but uh but uh but if that's how you like it that's your cup i i'm pretty sure five you know michelin star chefs will still go to like fenway park and get a hot dog you know and it's like i love it right you know i mean yeah you know yeah but i am i am, I am, I am almost, you've almost given me a new assignment to pull up on you and be like, okay, let me make this cup for you. Yeah. Cause what you're just,

cause you want less caffeine, right? Is that the idea? You just want less caffeine and just, I'm drinking a black in the mornings. I like, I've, I've moved off of my coffee mate days,

which I realized was killing me probably faster than i anticipated killing you softly and so now now i'm doing black coffee but black coffee if you drink too much of it gives you a little like you know you can get sores in your mouth if you're if it's too strong if it Oh shit, for real? I'm just trying to keep it real. And I just like it better to like have it be kind of a little smoother. Yeah, a little. And the thing is like, yeah, I mean, we're way off the rails here,

but like that's like, cause I mean, I mean, I could spend a whole hour talking about this stuff, but like, I think that there's, I mean, first of all, like I'm, I know y'all got doctors in the building so let me be careful when i say this but like diluting it doesn't doesn't remove the caffeine you're still drinking the same amount of caffeine no you know just more okay as long as you know that you know i'm saying

but i will say there's there's a different ratio where you can brew it to the to the dilution that you like to the parts per you know parts per centimeter i don't know that you like that's not you just brewing a cup of coffee and adding water to it like there's a way that we can make your ratios be exactly what it is so that way like you're still not so you're so like now i'm like i but you need to taste the bean like like yeah you know now you're not tasting it you know i'm saying and i'll bet you like if it's main right you could be tasting it you know i mean to be fair my my coffee might have been too strong in the first place like my teeth would be black when i joined the call like just completely black and like true you know one time i spilled a little bit on the

table and it melted through it like alien blood so yeah it might have been oh it's clearly a user error then yeah they sort of sound like brian we like to ask our guest what is something from your search history all right so i was searching orville peck's face. Now that is a country singer who wears a mask, right? That's as far as I've gotten. Never heard... I don't think I've ever heard an Orville

Peck song. I recognize the mask. Somebody was giving away a ticket to a show for free, I think. That's why I was like like can i go yeah didn't go whoa oh this okay i didn't even know this is a vibe it's a it's a whole last five miles you didn't even know it was a single vibe yeah yeah okay last five okay or like Sia, in a way.

What if it is Sia? Are there any... Do people have theories about this? Like, who the real Orville Peck is? Or is this probably just an artist who's deciding to do this to get some... drum up some interest? I saw one picture, and it looked just like a guy. But, you know, who's to say?

Wait, just look like any old guy is what you meant? It kind of just looked like a guy but you know who's to say wait just look like any old guy is what you meant it kind of just looked like a guy yeah okay okay so we're not yet there's nothing like super subverse it's not riffraff the rapper out here or you know what other people think there's all kinds of theories about this no scar no eye scar right right just not right missing like a nose which seems to be the only facial feature that is is not featured well underneath the mask no eyebrows right no eyebrows i mean no eyebrows over plucking sometimes that that looks great a lot of a lot of people can pull off the no eyebrows so do you think orville peck is gonna pull like an alia like get get the get the mystery up up up they're like oh what's going on behind the mask what's with the mask what's

going on and then take it off and then be like nothing was wrong y'all i'm fine do that with do that with her bangs with her glasses everyone she was always wearing glasses and covered in one eye and everyone was like what's up with her eye what's up with her eye? What's up with her eye? I remember it being a teenager. I was like, yo, what's up with Aaliyah's eyes? She was like unspeakably beautiful. She's like, what's my tag? I'm stunning.

It's sunny all the time. What do you want? Or maybe he's got terrible face tattoos. Yeah. The eyebrows is an interesting theory because it is. So it's like a Lone Ranger mask with like a fringe hanging off of it. So like,

I could see that as like compensation for a lack of eyebrows, you know? Like he's trying to just like... I'm seeing some eyebrows peek through in some of these other shots. Yeah, but like, isn't that what you would do? Oh, fake eyebrows could be part of the mask.

Yes. Thank you. Oh, oh, wow. Groucho style. Yes. Okay. I like that. Maybe he just wants you to envision whatever you want to, whatever you want him to be. It is brilliant marketing, shows incredible restraint, you know, and like foresight to

be like, all right, so i'm about to become famous and i'm gonna make it so that there is not a trace of my face on the internet could i do this for comedy that would be incredible i think are there any do anyone does anyone do that right now no i'll do it yeah Has anyone ever done it? There was the masked rapper, right? I mean, yeah, we got MF Doom. I mean, I think MF Doom was one of our most famous masked rappers. Yeah.

And what, Cool Keith used to wear a mask too? I think so. I think that's right. Ghostface, originally. But he wasn't really hiding his face like that. That was the origin, right? Legendarily, apparently. Probably a pocketful. But Ghostface was wearing a mask because he was wanted at their first show. And that's how he became Ghostface.

What came first, Ghostface, the rapper, or Ghostface the killer in Scream? The rapper. The rapper. Whoa. Yeah. So he might have a case so there you go yeah he might he might have to sue dimension films i mean we should talk about the fact that the kendrick album dropped i mean we've kind of referenced it already it's a lot is a double album at a time

when that just means you know doesn't mean two discs so much as it means a lot of songs. And the track numbering starts over halfway through. It seems incredible upon first listen. And I'm only halfway through it. It's a lot to get through. But then Radiohead dropped a new album on the same day, kind of. There's a band called The Smile that is Tom York, Johnny Greenwood, and one other member of radiohead and it sounds like a radiohead album it sounds like i've only listened to a couple songs but it sounds awesome yeah that's that's a lot that's we're being showered also my chemical romance dropped a new song yesterday wow yeah and then isn't isn't like another taylor swift album coming out because like i feel like music Twitter is in so many camps.

You're either MCR, Taylor Swift, or The Smile slash Kendrick. There's so many verticals or parts of Twitter. They're like, it's the best music time ever right now. Yeah. Summer. Who do you think is going to have Song of Summer? Taylor? Orville?

Who knows? Orville Peck. Orville Peck. Yeah, let's say it right now orville pack coming out with something nothing like a leather fringed mask that says you know light and breezy barbecue barbecue do you think his mask just stinks or he's always got a new one i feel like there's a lot of masks yeah okay it's not smelling like a mascot in there i'm sure yeah yeah yeah although probably after like a a long a live show i'm sure it smells a little bit like you know yeah beer and sweat i'm surprised he doesn't got hella styes right well that maybe he stops wearing the mask and they're like did you finally decide to share your face

with us orville no man i was getting terrible styes my optometrist said i have to take it off or i could do serious damage to my vision so constantly it's like it's easy to find out who orville is because he has it's the guy with the stye right and the really specific tan line on his face hey are you orville no i'm not. Can you fucking leave me alone? Okay, just the styes. I ever like really on a regular basis got styes because I think it was just, you know, public transit and just the touch of my eyes. I do. I do like to give butterfly kisses to every,

you know, hand holding a spot on a subway train. So that could have been the issue, but okay. Yeah, that was probably it. I feel like there's a lot of, a lot of stuff in the gets in your eyes in New York.

And why is it easy to get a stye in your eye? Let us know. Or don't. Stye Twitter is popping up. Yeah, where's stye Twitter? What's NY stye Twitter saying? Yeah, maybe it was an aside that I shouldn't have even brought up. Yeah, we're like, dude, you're touching your brought up, but you know, it's like,

dude, you're touching your eyes too much. I know clearly. But then when I got out to LA, I didn't get any sties. So there you go. That dryer. Yeah.

What is something you think is overrated? So this is a little bit of a complicated answer. I, so I love our culture's recent fascination with cults and cons and all of the the documentaries and and documentary series on on netflix and the other platforms that are focused on on these criminals but i think the documentary series are overrated and way too long and i wish that they would all just be movies yeah oh like dramatic feature films you mean or no even if it's a documentary just right yeah just

condense it into 90 minutes and tell us the story i feel like it doesn't need to be a series and they they've gotten too too long and i watched a really good one that that's, you know, probably 90 minutes. And it like really helped me realize how long the other ones are. I watched Our Father, which is about this doctor, this fertility doctor who swapped out his sperm and fathered, I won't say the number because then it's kind of a spoiler, but he fathered all of these children. the number because then it's kind of a spoiler but he fathered all of these children and he even swapped out the sperm of like his best friend and and and used his instead and it's like it's insane in the beginning i was watching it and i was like like is this so bad like how is this gonna get interesting and then it like got totally crazy and the craziest part about it is that this all took place in Indiana. And in the end, he wasn't really convicted of a crime.

Wow. And him and his best friend are still tight to this day. They're water under the bridge. Yeah. Wow. under the bridge. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I was watching that other documentary about that guy in the UK who was like convincing all those people that they were like on the run from like, am I like from mi five because they were caught up in shit. Do you know that documentary? I forget what it's called. It's it's another one where like the premise is really interesting. But it's like, yo, this is like fucking four episodes. I feel like you could have told me the whole thing in like two hours probably but yeah i do i do find myself being like okay you found that this is a way to stretch people's viewing time a lot because i think they realize oh like we've got like a you know lost type cliffhanger ending sort of pattern we can get people into it's like oh

and you gotta you gotta watch the next one now to learn who the detective is that's gonna look into it because that's a whole episode and yeah it gets a little tiring for sure yeah i i love this overrated i think that's right i think that the default should be docu-series and then like if necessary like the staircase probably i think earned it's it's a long running time even though i only watched like three of them and then got bored but it does seem like it's very twisty turny and they were learning things as it went but for the most part yeah don't don't stretch it and albums too like albums don't need to be as long as they are. And movies. Make movies. 45 minutes tops. Come on.

All right. People got naps to take, you know? Right. We went from a two-hour guy take to now 45 minutes. What's something you think is underrated? This feels very specific to me, but since it's summer, I don't know. If I got this wrong, I apologize. But something that I think is underrated. so i'm a big snow cone guy and i think listen no one has ever agreed with me and

neither will you i like a plain snow cone what that's not a thing that's just shaved ice sir sometimes you just need texture and and and. And you don't need taste. Sometimes I'm a chewer. Okay, so I'm a chewer, right? People chew on gum after it's lost its flavor. No. Yes. So for me, a snow cone, it's just like, oh, I'm consuming water in a new, fun way.

I get to feel the coldness. I get to feel the melt. I love the feeling of the melt. And then the little slushy part at the bottom. I get to feel the coldness. I get to feel the melt. I love the feeling of the melt and then the little slushy part at the bottom. I always get it. You mean water? I was going to say, no slushy. But it's not just ice. It's not just water.

And I can see every snow cone person I've ever asked, they go, they say, what flavor? I say, oh, just plain. And they go, they act like I said, can you shove it up my ass? They look like I said something so obscene. And then I go to pay and they go, you can pay whatever you want. Because you didn't get the one thing that makes it a snow cone.

They're like, you all right? You know, it's on the house now. But that tool that they use to cut the ice, it's very expensive. And I don't have blocks of ice at home so i can't make this on my own really yeah i love it and you should all try it if you want a nice healthy snack that just makes that's just like textures so underrated in fact not even rated at all because no one's even given it a shot okay Plain snow coats. A couple of things here. One, they do make icy machines for children.

So if you want to get one so that you don't have to go to the guy and get the judgment every time you order the icy cone, you could just make it in your house,

a little shaved ice. It's cute. I think they're like $30. Second, when you have red or blue, and I feel like it's kind of a quintessential, like,

it's not even flavored they ask you what color you want when you get icy what when did the plane i see i have to like deconstruct your childhood now because was it something terrible happened and then you were like no flavors too exciting yeah it's snow coats it's snow coats listen lots of terrible things happen i don't know what relates to the snow cones. But it really did start like I didn't. All the flavors were too sweet for me. I just didn't like the flavors.

I don't know what it was. And so one day I got. Too sweet for a child's palate? Even for some reason. I like certain sweet things. But something about that. I didn't like it. And sometimes they have uh melted or condensed milk on a plain snow cone god is there anything better on this earth

then you can focus on the flavor of the condensed milk this sounds like a treat my grandmother would have been like now back in the day really'd have ice chips for dessert if we were good. Ice chips. They're delicious. That's so good. Just try it once. Just try it once. I will. And because I have eaten bare snow off the ground before.

And it's amazing. It tastes so good. Yeah. I mean, once you get the asphalt stuff off of it, whatever, it's pretty good. It's pretty tasty. But I kind of half understand. There's this thing in in japan right shave ice is a big thing uh people call it really gaudy out there and like joelle like you're saying there are little machines you can buy that you can like just manually crank and

you'll get really good shaved ice and you can then flavor it however you want so if you're into that thin shaved ice i suggest doing that you could freeze your own little water discs and then just grind them out on your own and you got exactly what you're talking about but there's also this other japanese like confection thing that they have like that they sell in the freezer aisle i think it's called ice box and it's a little cup with little chunks of ice but they're lightly flavored like very lightly, like grapefruit ish flavor, like sweeter. Great. I love it.

I love it. And that's a fun thing because when it's hot, it's like eating ice cubes that have a little bit of sweetness to it. So it's kind of splitting the difference between what you're talking about. And I get the appeal of something like slightly simple, but when it's hot, like there's something really enjoyable about eating ice. But if I'm getting the snow going, you know I'm going up. It's red or it's tiger blood or whatever the fuck flavors they got,

that red and that orange. That's the fuck I need. But hey, to each their own, obviously. I like a purple. I'll mix the red and blue. Oh, you like purple? Absolutely. Okay.

Everything is purple. Purple everything. That's how little we know about these flavors we keep calling them colors yeah that's all they are they taste the same except when you close your eyes and you're like no this is definitely purple yeah well it's because they don't mimic anything that's actually natural you know what i mean like yeah i ain't never tasted cherry that tasted like what was told to me is cherry flavor. Call it red. Fuck it. I want red. Give me red.

Give me blue. I don't give a shit as long as it's sugar. We're good. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll try some plain ice and we'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Cle Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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i think we're all on board i'm taking takes a little while i get to after i drop the kids off i get to like dig in but they're they're still on their uh you know trying to think what what their favorite song is right now but they're they're back to after having a brief dalliance with the new push album they're back to wanting to listen to just very basic pop music and bts yeah bts and uh yeah ninja kids hopefully you Yeah. Yeah. BTS and, uh, yeah. Ninja kids. Hopefully you don't have ninja kids in your house. No, we don't have ninja kids yet.

Good. Yeah. Thank God. So like his albums take me a long time. All albums take me a long time, but like, I feel like I'm the, the first two songs are now like fully in my blood and are incredible.

I feel like I can confidently fully in your blood. Yeah. Yeah. I, I approach his work like well any mostly most hip-hop stuff but i i approach his work from like three different positions there's just me as a fan of hip-hop there's a me as like an la native also and then there's me as a also a professional rapper right you know so there's like so like you for me it's like i'll listen straight through top to bottom twice you know and then go back and be like all right let's go one by one so it takes me a while too but like you know and then there's the it's sometimes it's like it seems absurd but like you know if you're talking about one of the three most largest artists in the world, you know, that you still have a competitive streak about, like, I probably would have done it like this. You know what I'm saying?

And it's absurd to say it, but it's like, you're still the competitive part about you. You're like, damn it. He said that way better than I would have. Right. How does he do it damn it all right i'm taking i'm going to seminar with eckhart tolle now seems like that's the secret of the i mean when i listen to that i'm like wow you sound like me when i graduated college and i got the power of now for the first time i'm like are y'all reading

this shit yeah that's you know what's funny it's crazy because like i'm here at this record label like we were all talking about the idea that like he he sounds 35 which is what he is which is perfect but it's like somebody who just discovered that you were full of shit you know what i'm saying yeah yeah yeah and we all remember the day we discovered we were full of shit and like you said we're just like, oh, my God. Right. You need therapy. Hey, guys, did you know you need a therapy?

And we're like, yeah, we know. But it's cool to hear him to hear him get to the moment to be like, yeah, man, you got a young brother. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. We know. Right, right, right. What if that person who was saying, oh, my God, you guys, we need therapy, was a once in a generation genius? Yeah, then it's that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Whose creative abilities far surpasses any other human on the planet right now. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about, you know, there was a terrorist attack, mass murder in Buffalo over the weekend by a white supremacist who, you know, the first thing they cited was also the first thing the el paso walmart shooter cited which is uh this replacement theory yeah which is now like a we we have to have have a name that sounds serious around this

shit that is just straight up white supremacy and white people are should be left to rule without any anybody around like they should be protected by laws and if they're not they're going to murder people essentially yeah yeah it's i'm i'm curious so many things i'm curious if the democrats use this again like another thing where they're like well at least we're not them and not offer any solution yeah yeah you know and or if we're gonna see i mean we've already seen conservatives double down there there's some republicans who are already saying things like this was a false flag event you know put together by you know who george soros type shit and continuing to try and you know pretend that there is no there there uh but i mean yeah as it stands i'm like i'm like i you know dick durbin said you know like we need we

need increased gun control and i'm like yeah that's true but are we yeah are we talking about the real engines that's driving this violence too like guns or guns make like the problem worse because that's the environment that these people are in where they have access to guns but these people where they are turning is from their radicalization whether that starts at home or online or whatever but this is white supremacist terror and i think the lone wolf shit i'm tired of hearing that there's a there's a total media you know ecosystem for these people to like learn from each other get radicalized share shit with each other it's just a very

i think disingenuous like description of like this problem that is just clear as day yeah yeah i mean there's there's the like the the the parts of of this story that i've been like kind of avoiding for like my own rage in the sense of like yeah yeah like being being a violent like white man somehow you it there's a force field around your body like you're just nothing can never happen to you. Like the idea that like this man, this man told the Internet what he was going to do, wrote it down on a paper and then drew on his gun and then live stream the thing. And somehow or another, there's still a question about this man's motives and the fact that he that he didn't get shot on site like this. Like you, you have a you're you're a mutant like you have a force field like that why are you not how are you able to actually be brought to justice so i'm like avoiding that part because it's it's frustrating you know i'm saying yeah but i think you know the the history of like

what it meant you know all the way back to like the 60s and 70s of of this movement being like we're gonna it's gonna be a leaderless movement totally decentralized like there's no main figure so that as we interact you know act out these things we all seem like lone wolves because you can't track how we've been talking to each other the only problem is we could track how you've been talking to each other and and that we know that this was your plan right not only that i'm like it the the replacement theory stuff like the part that frustrates me about the media is like is the idea that like y'all acting like this shit is new like they haven't been telling us this is the way they felt right for a long time you know i'm saying and that when people when the experts were ringing the

ringing the alarms way back in 2014 2015 2016 being like hey listen we're not headed for a civil war we're already in one they're at war don't you understand like they're at they are believe they are at war listen this was just yeah listen to how they talk that's what he's trying to tell you he's telling you he had war because you think you have a fear of becoming a minority and it's like and you you're also revealing your cards which we already know who you are because it's like well what's so bad about being a minority well it's because you're assuming that the majority is going to treat you the way you treated minorities. You know what I'm saying? So like, that's why y'all want to be one. So I'm like, like, why are y'all acting like y'all ain't know this is, y'all acting like y'all didn't know.

Like, why are you acting like you're so surprised about this? You know, because there's this thing of like never wanting to talk about it. I mean, it wasn't until the summer of 2020 when the media was like white supremacy, like out loud. You know, it's like, wow, that fucking took decades to normalize. The use of that term is always racially charged or all this euphemistic bullshit. And, you know, now it's like we're at another thing. They were unable or the media is unable to say white supremacist terror and if i'm them and if i'm if i'm those dudes i'm frustrated i'm like fam we keep telling you

where we stand right like we're telling you exactly what we think what is y'all's what is y'all's questions this is what we out here doing i I wrote it. I live streamed it. What is your question? Right. Yeah. It's and that's I'm like, you know, that's I'm curious to see what happens with the tone of like talking about, you know, Liz Cheney, right, who's a Republican who's been ousted by her party. But she decided to take the sane approach or at least the human one to be like, man, this is a real problem within the party has to be discussed. Like this is there's too much anti-Semitism, anti-black race, just all kinds of xenophobia. It's bad. But I don't see the Republicans have and take any interest in this in trying to, you know, say, you know what, this is bad. This is this the rhetoric that comes out

of people in the party or from people on Fox News. It's contributing to this environment because the message that's being sent to white voters or white people who, you know, or conservatives are hearing. Oh, you see what the immigrants are coming. That's where the bus, where the baby formula is gone. That's why you don't have a job. That's why the factory shut down. It's that just feeding on itself. And there's something really interesting on MSNBC. There's this guy who was a Brendan Buck.

He was an advisor to both speakers, Ryan and Boehner, right? GOP speakers of the House. And he basically said, you know, when he was asked, like, you know, what's the what's what do the Republicans have to do here? Like, what do they need to do to start getting things together to start cleaning up the House? And he said, it's kind of tough. And he said something that I don't think he realized how like honest it sounded but he said you know republicans they don't want to go after anybody else except republicans and when you do that you can't afford to lose the racist vote you just can't wow you can't and he said it

in a way that was like pained or whatever but i was like yeah that's all that's literally how y'all talking huh his who said it no this is brendan buck he's an advisor he was an advisor to speaker of the house john boehner and tim ryan so republican speakers like that's whose office he was in and he just said that's the problem with where the republicans are going they don't care about independence or trying to bring anybody else in so all they have to do and this is what we talk about these have to double down on the racism because they cannot have that that's money on the table to them and because the policies are a certain way that's why you always hear them having to mainstream this shit like whether it's elise stefanik who's a member of the house from

new york who on friday was saying the same shit great replacement theory type nonsense about they're just they're you know it's there they've got a silent revolution happening joe biden where all the immigrants are going to come in and that's yeah who's going to be voting that's what america is going to be without using the words but you know's like looking at all of that, it's very difficult. Like Republicans aren't going to touch it. And now at this point,

I, I, I feel like the, the way the media should write about them, be considering the rhetoric that comes out of there is like, you know, this is a group that's, you know,

that is a openly supports domestic terror. Yeah. There's nothing about what they're talking about from what I'm looking from Congress people or senators or state senators or local legislators. They're saying straight up neo-Nazi bullshit. All right, let's talk about Jesse Waters, the Jesse Waters show. Must watch TV if you just want to feel your life

just bled out of you, your to live just a true piece of shit i remember like the first time i saw this motherfucker on tv he was like bill o'reilly's like intern and i was just like oh this motherfucker is going to be a problem like right away he just so confident and so dumb and so racist yeah sure of his racist horrifying worldview but he weighed in on critical race theory as he is want to do yeah um first off got it again for everyone knows this but the disclaimer that critical race theory is not being taught anywhere outside of a college lecture hall so let's put that on the side. Now, if you're just mad that teachers are talking about just general inequality and you just want to call that this

other thing, man, fine. Then, you know, do your thing. Um, but in this Jesse waters clip, uh, that was just going around on Twitter. It's one of the more like pathetic appearances I've seen from like a concerned parent, quote unquote, who's like, I'm here to help, you know, further this narrative that you want to keep broadcasting on your television, which is critical race theory is ruining my child. And in this clip, there's a concerned mother from Virginia of a biracial child who she, the mother is white, the father is black, and she is in a state of utter shock because her 14 year old son is starting to form an identity at 14. I don't know what's going on here, Jesse. Is it this critical race theory stuff or is it puberty? I don't know,

but I'm going to say critical race theory and let's just listen in because it's, yeah, just hold on to your butts. Your son is, the father's black, you're white, and he'd never mentioned issues with race before you're saying, what exactly changed? Right. We didn't have issues before.'s in eighth grade they introduced this critical program and now he's having racial issues what kind of racial issues is he having well he's seeing himself just as a black man he's seeing things that don't go his way as racism. And he's finding safety in numbers now. So when you're saying he gets a bad grade at school, he blames racism or a girl rejects him on a date.

Racism. Are those the kind of things you're seeing? She's smiling. Yes. I asked him to clean the house. Racism. Yes. You're kidding, right? Are you serious? No, I'm serious. clean the house. Racism. Yes. You're kidding, right? Are you serious? No, I'm serious. They have totally changed his perspective. They have put him in a box. So your 14 year old son is talking back. Yeah.

And again, that's never happened before. That's weird that a teenage son would talk back to their parent. To your mom who told you to clean your room i've never done i remember when my mother said that as a half black biracial child i didn't say that i didn't say it was racism i just said i don't want to do it mom and i'd run out the house but we didn't have the same vocabulary to use i guess as these kids do but the program man you are racist so he's right when you when you just uh when he says that it's racism but not when other uh parents ask their kids but you are a racist piece of shit and you have some issues so the program that he was participating in was one that was

around encouraging students to have open discussions around race race now this was in the like aftermath of the george floyd murder so they're like we want to have open discussions around race. Now, this was in the aftermath of the George Floyd murder. So they're like, we want to have brave conversations about race. So it wasn't some like kill your masters type shit. They were just saying, hey, we want these young people. We want to facilitate healthy conversations. So these young people can begin to have a reckoning with our country's culture of discrimination. Pretty easy stuff.

Like it's not, again, not in the extreme that this woman is sort of making out to be. And naturally, like everything, we see the backlash of it time and again. And so a couple of things, you know, this kid is 14. So the little baby that you were used to, like, you know, is absolutely in the period of their life where these questions are being asked, right? You begin to explore who you are, what that means to you, what your own identity is, what race means to you. I, you know, when she, I think she may consider her son, I think half white and she looks at it that way, but he is also half black. And I'd imagine he isn't completely white passing.

So he like even though she may see her son as this, the rest of the world does not. That's just that's just the facts. And there's no there's no amount of proper speaking I could do or polo shirt wearing I could do to suddenly look different to somebody who has a bigoted perspective on race. That's just unfortunately the stakes of how it means to be not white in this country. So there's just kind of this whole thing where I'm like, do you even, I'm curious if this mom clearly is probably very disconnected from the idea that what it means to raise a black child in Virginia even, and what all of that means.

Just in America in general. And that's when I'm like, jesus we just watched you come out here and use your son as like a fucking pawn in an optics win for bigots like what the fuck was that that's where i'm like really it's disheartening for me to see that about like wow you really have no idea what your son is about to go through or is going through right because you're like i don't she referenced like he was never having racial issues yeah i mean even if your classmates aren't bigoted you know outwardly there isn't the fact of the matter is he's existing in a country that is sending a lot of signals to him and he's probably beginning to see when you say he's finding comfort in numbers or something like that what the fuck does that mean

that he's hanging out with other black kids is that wrong yeah that that was weird and also like the insistence that you know a time where people are wrestling with just systemic and like murderous, like violent racism in the country, that his response to that would be, first of all, like incorrect for him to like have feelings about that, but also that it would be like the school's fault and not the fault of like what is actually happening, the reality. Like that's it just assumes that there's no such thing as racism so like they must be getting this idea from school because that's the only place they could have learned it is a very blinded perspective yeah and he's 14 so it's not like he's first discovering his identity now right this has been a process and he probably just never felt comfortable speaking with her about it because

of the environment that she created like if you think that people start discovering who they are and forming an identity at 14 that's not the case either i don't i feel like whatever was going on at school maybe finally made him comfortable to say something to his mom about it. But I also like I don't understand how they always have these parents on roster to speak on these shows. I mean, I'm sure they find them on Facebook now, but they've always had disgruntled parents just ready to go on all of these shows about whatever the topic might be but it's so crazy to me it's typically like these law firms will look for aggrieved parents so they can represent them in a lawsuit and that's kind of how they end up to that next level where the fox producers end up saying oh like okay like you

know like hey man we got this mom she's suing the state of virginia for critical race theory because like her her son who is, now realizing he's black. So that's that's pretty that's all kinds of fucked up. Right. That's because I'm sure I'm pretty sure that was sort of like the segue or the introduction to this piece is that she's suing, you know, on behalf of her son really disheartening to see a parent like that who she even said she's like he sees himself as a black man. I'm sorry. What can we can we unpack that a little bit? Like from your perspective, Miss, what does that mean and what is wrong with he is he not? And in your mind, are you telling him he is not? Is that why you're upset? Because you've been conditioning him to deny that he's black and that he's living in some post-racial utopia that actually doesn't exist? That's what I'm grinning and laughing. And I like, like you said, it's a parent who is having a difficult time getting their mind around the fact that it's that's not your like eight year old child anymore. And they are like, growing up, but like the just that is so fucking toxic. But like the just that is so fucking toxic.

And yeah. Or I don't know if maybe she's completely scared of the idea that, oh, my God, that's right. My son is black and he's living in America in 2022. Yeah. And subconsciously, that's making her comfortable when it's coming out this way. I don't know. That might be an overly charitable analysis of where she's coming from. you know, analysis of where she's coming from. But, you know, it's clear that she was not thinking about this at all until her son was, you know, probably articulating things where he was like, I'm identifying, I can, I see my blackness and I see how people like me are treated in this country.

It hurts me because that is me. I am part of this group of people. And yeah, now I'm realizing how much, how much things I maybe ignored up until 14 that now I'm realizing we're actually pretty fucked up, but you always told me, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. But it gets to a point where you actually, you can't ignore that anymore. And I think credit to him on his journey, figuring out who he is and you know, the the the culture that he's part of but wow what a fucking shitty mom yeah yeah you already think your parents are the worst when you're 14 even when they're not but when you do have the worst mom in america like that's got that's gonna be tough like this poor kid is probably getting flamed right they're like yo

is that your mom on twitter i saw on that jesse waters clip wow and he's like bro i told you that's why like i'm just uh it's hard growing up in that house with that mom or whatever but that's i can't i can't imagine that her appearance there did any good for him either you know on tv like the fact is already you're already you're already suing the state or the school district so already like i remember being in school and you knew when somebody's parent was like doing some wild shit trying to like cause a problem at the school or they're like yo so-and-so's mom is suing the school because the seesaw was like too wobbly

and said that's why his little sister like hurt her wrist and everyone's like like people just like that shit gets out in the ecosystem of the schoolyard so i can only imagine at this point you're on fox news too that that's probably not creating more friends for him no in my school that was always about sex ed like we always knew the the students who weren't allowed to take sex ed. They had to go to a study hall or something during. And I grew up with basically abstinence-only sex ed anyway. And that was because of parents complaining. But even so, we always knew about the parents who were coming up to school and yelling about something. And it was almost always that. Right. And yeah, it definitely it didn't make it easier for those students, which I haven't

really thought that much about. But they probably were so they were probably embarrassed that they weren't allowed to go to sex ed. I just didn't really think about it. I know I went to a Lutheran K through eight school. And I remember in sex ed, like there were those kids who like absolutely couldn't be there for the outdated slideshow from the 60s where like the like female reproductive system was like triangles and circles and lines, like not even close to looking medically accurate. fucked up vague version of sex ed where like the parts were named but i couldn't i couldn't accurately tell you what anything looked like because it was like and then there's a uterus and also guys it doesn't matter because y'all shouldn't be having sex anyway yeah we watched

philadelphia oh my god to learn that if you have sex you'll get aids oh my god what yeah yeah and i had i ended up writing a show about this and I host the show mostly in New York, but now I've done it in LA too, called Adult Sex Ed. And it's because I had this sex ed in school and then my mom was the opposite. She was actually a sex ed teacher, not mine, but she was, and we had this really open home.

And so I had this totally mixed experience, but I feel like the way that these parents are being interviewed on TV now about critical race theory reminds me a lot of in the 80s and 90s, they would have parents being interviewed about sex ed and how that's going to ruin children's minds. children's minds right not that they're not doing that today too but it's like the generational thing it's like well back then they weren't taught about sex so then when it comes up they're like oh but then parents now are like man we're fine with sex like we're so online porn brained like that that that chest that being chased idea isn't necessarily like as pervasive but now it's a generation of people who have never had a reckoning with racial relations right and so that's the thing it's like well i've never talked about that and that shit makes me so fucking scared much like how my parents who never talked about sex or had satisfying sex thought it was the end of the world if we learned about sex that it's like now this is the next cycle which is like

well we didn't talk about our race i don't know if this is good because it makes me uncomfortable but yeah it's it's wild to hear because like i we were constantly just told just don't have sex i grew up with this idea that like yeah if if you ever had unprotected sex you're going to get sick and have a child immediately like there's no there's no fucking middle ground and i like through my life i was like yeah i was like scared shitless the the movie scene progression is unprotected sex. Woman holds stomach and then woman throws up. And that's those are the three steps to prove that, OK, there's a pregnancy happening here.

Yeah, I will say I grew up in the wild early 90s and sex had really radicalized me i'll say really turned me into a freak those medical diagrams i was on the fallopian tube pics those medical diagrams are about as sexy as like the diarrhea diagram and pepto commercials like they're just yeah they're just like the human body like in right and i feel like that parents should have been like like for me like at the time a bunch of teenagers like kids that they're like most sexually curious or just like they're like even looking at that like this is so confusing to me and i don't think it's doing what you think it's going to cause some perversion in us we're like looking again at drawings from the fucking early 60s that you're putting up on a stupid

slide projector and the and like like the colors are like like not even human it's like the uterus is blue and like the ovaries are green and you're like man this looks like a bunch of geometry looks like a mondrian painting let alone anything i can have some like functional knowledge of anything yeah dare work though we do we can't say dare worked oh what was it because you know how they're they're out in the streets again dare yeah that's right so i was out and i was out the other day and they're like hey hey hey you want to hear about dare i was like actually i do what's going on like why are y'all out here because it's like i thought the drug shit was a wrap like y'all remember y'all lost the drug war and all that and they're like yeah i mean it's about that too but it's like, I thought the drug shit was a wrap. Like y'all remember y'all lost the drug war and all that.

And they're like, yeah, I mean, it's about that too. But it's also a lot about mental health now. And we're like, oh, interesting. Okay. Well, I don't know what other subversive messaging you might have, but that was sort of what they were pivoting to. Like, look, we get it. We've completely lost on the drug front.

But now at least maybe we can be a force for good. Still run by the police? I have no idea. At that point, I was what's that what are y'all pivoting to they said mental health and i'm like thank you i have to were they on my way were they like high school students who were they look like they look like normal people who are like signature gathering like you know like mid-20s early 20s type people buzz buzz haircut chewing gum backwards, a hat on, flip upside down visor, motorcycle. All right.

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And now I play PS4. There you go. So I love PC games when I was in high school and college, and now I play PS4. There you go. So I love video games. I love them. They're great. I play everything, man. I play all the time. I'm still working through Elden Ring, which is enormously long.

But yeah, I mean, I follow video games more closely than I follow anything else I listen to. Probably spend more time listening to podcasts about video games than I do playing them. But, you know, I've started collecting retro video games. I got a fucking CRT monitor in here. So I play old race theory monitor. OK, I didn't know they made the critical race theory monitors. Yeah, it's Catholic. You turn it on and it's like and it's like whiteness is false.

Whiteness does not exist. It doesn't display white at all. Shades of gray. So I don't know. I definitely heard this growing up, being born in the 80s and in the early 90s, from my mom and grandparents, I'm like, don't look at the TV. It's going to rot your brain. You're playing video games all the time.

It's going to rot your brain. Why are you playing Super Nintendo? Why are you playing Mario Paint? I'm like, because this shit is dope. And it came with a mouse that I plug into my Super Nintendo. Fuck with me. Mario Paint's incredible. Oh, yeah.

Mario taught me typing. Thank you. Do you guys ever at school do Mario teaches typing? I had that on my Mac in 1993. Yeah, man. Not an official Nintendo release, so I kind of object to it. Okay, gotcha. It's not

canon. Bunk licensing deal. But yeah, I think for a while, I think that like sort of like the accepted thing that parents would get really sort of nervous about. Too much video games is going to is actually bad for you. Well, guess what? The Karolinska Institute in Sweden has conducted a pretty lengthy study on thousands of kids in the U.S. to see how playing video games affected their intelligence. In this case, just their general cognitive abilities, not like did their vocabulary expand or whatever, just testing their general cognitive abilities.

So they looked at 9,000 kids of age 9 and 10 and had them do a battery of tests just to sort of set a baseline. Then they followed up with about 5,000 of these kids about two years later to run the tests again and to see if there were any differences that they could find. And here's something they found. Quote, on average, the children spent two and a half hours a day watching TV, half an hour on social media, and one hour playing video games. The results showed that those who played more games than the average increased their intelligence between the two measurements by approximately 2.5 IQ points more than the average. No significant effect was observed, positive or negative, of TV watching or social media.

So they said, OK, maybe that tracks were not checking for the effects of things like on things like physical activity, sleep, well-being or school performance. Right. Very narrowly on their cognitive ability. But the results seem to be in line or are in line with other studies that claim that screen time doesn't impair children's cognitive abilities. And in fact, gaming can help boost those things. I have a theory about this study. Yes. But first of all, it comports with my own experience

because one thing that I read years and years ago is that the main thing video games help you do is that they teach you how to navigate human designed software systems. Right.

So when you play a video game, right, if you're used to playing a video game, you don if you're used to playing a video game, you don't generally need to read an instruction manual, right? You can turn the game on if you've played them a lot and you're like, okay, what are the verbs that the game designer gave me? How can I use them? And then, you know, you're in a level and you're like, the game seems like it wants me to go this way, right? Like you start to understand this is a whole playground that someone has created for my benefit. Here's the goal.

And so I can poke around and figure out how I'm supposed to achieve the goal, right? Oh, there's two paths. One of them probably leads to a treasure chest. The other one probably takes me towards the final boss. And that's the critical path. You need to understand things like that, right? And so the theory that I read years ago was that that makes children less intimidated by technology generally, right? And I experienced that myself.

Like when I, the reason I'm working in comedy today is because when I was in college, I taught myself Photoshop and I taught myself video editing on Final Cut Pro. And I was in a college sketch group and I became the post-production guy, you know, who did all the video editing. And I just taught myself video editing by like, all right, let me pop open the Final Cut and like start rooting around those menus. What does this menu do? What does that,

what does that control panel do? Like, I'm, I'm not scared of it. I don't need someone to teach me how to do it. I can just sort of figure it out. I read the manual too, but you know, so it, it gives you that sort of fluency and that's something that like comes in really handy in America nowadays. And especially, I bet that helps you do better on an IQ test. Now, IQ tests are bullshit. I did a whole segment about them on Adam Ruins Everything. They don't measure, you know, any sort of like, you shouldn't take them as an objective measure of intelligence.

They're measuring how well you do on that particular test, but they're not measuring like anything inherent about you. However, I have taken one recently, and it's a whole lot of like, how quickly can you fit the, you know, can you like, what are they called? Tangrams or tessellations or something where you fit like the little polygon pieces

like into a square, stuff like that. How well can you remember numbers backwards? Things like that. And like, if you've played a lot of video games, it's very video gamey stuff. You're like, oh, okay, this is what it's trying to get me to do. This is the challenging part. I can, if I focus on this, I should be able to, you know, do better on it.

So I really enjoyed doing the IQ test for the same reason I like playing video games. And so I feel like this is, I feel like it's not making you more intelligent, but I bet it does make you, if you play a lot of video games, I bet you do better on an IQ test. I think it's more like in line with playing an instrument, right? That you grow up playing an instrument, you're in, you're gonna, you're just developing different skills than if you weren't like music, there's timing, your hand eye coordination to read music, to know music theory and like the relationships between notes and things like that help a lot. And I even just even subtly, right. I just noticed for me, like, I, you know,

I'm, I'm, I'm also Japanese. So growing up in the US, the my, or my Japanese education mostly came from my mom speaking to me, and mostly only speaking to me in Japanese to build my ability to speak two languages. Reading was a little bit different, because when I turn the TV on, it's always English. And like, I would, I would have to seek out Japanese material to begin reading when game boy came around there. Like, and I was playing Japanese game boy games. So many,

you know, because back in those, those days, like there was no spoken audio dialogue that played out of the TV. It was all text. You had to read and hit a, to continue the fucking dialogue. And that very quickly got me to begin

reading japanese at a much quicker pace than i did if i was like using a book or whatever because i was so inherently rather than being like i don't know how i don't know what this says or whatever i was like fuck it through the repetition of trying to read this over and over it gave me those skills so there's these little things that you do pick up now i don't know if that's necessarily the the secret to you know having having, you know, having super brain. But like I like we're all saying, like we can all connect these little dots to little things that we picked up or skills we picked up. I'm so jealous of you for having that childhood experience with Japanese, because, I mean, obviously I grew up like so many American kids did with Japanese imported culture being, you know, just like video games were like the entry point. And then also, you know, anime and everything else.

But like, God, do I've had the ability to play Japanese video games growing up? Like, oh, it also made me an insufferable prick because I was like, y'all are late to Pokemon. Y'all are late to Power Rangers. Y'all are late to pokemon y'all are late to power rangers y'all are late to this and i'm like i'm on to the next shit y'all are late to hentai y'all are late y'all are late to yeah so many so many watching women have sex with octopuses exactly oh also y'all are late for old enough to that shit is old as fuck. Yeah. See them kids do them chores decades ago. Kids are 40 now.

Fuck out of here. But yeah, it is. It is like an interesting thing that video games also were like like a motivating force for me because because my mom insisted or my parents are like, you got to focus on studying. I'm like, I'm doing fine in school if i can do fine in school let me play video games and that's all i want like my you know my parents weren't would never buy me video games like and they were only they only came around every report card if i did if i had straight a's then they're like fuck it fine you could have one game you could rank you could go rent a game and that sort of feedback loop was sort of my way of being like oh i'm getting this fucking game the diehard trilogy

just came out on playstation watch me murk my fucking tests and so you know there was a bit of wait that's a game you wanted to play diehard i've never heard of it it was so bad oh man it was like a three-part game that was like a multi-genre game where the first level is like a shooter and then i think the first two levels are like like shooter games like sort of like area 51 style shooters oh yeah and then the die hard with a vengeance like node within the trilogy game was like a crazy taxi kind of thing where you were like driving around new york exactly and like like the worst sam Jackson voice act, like actor is like,

you know, saying all kinds of wild shit. But I remember at the time I love die hard with a vengeance. So I was like, sure, I need this game. Need this game. Yeah.

And it was terrible. That's how I know who Chester A. Arthur was and what president he's 21st president of the United States. Exactly. Learn that from diehard movies. Let me, let me offer a cautionary tale for any parents or future parents out there who are like video games are bad. TV is bad. It's a, it's all going to rot my

kid's brain. My parents took out our TVs when I was in fifth grade because my brother started getting bad grades and on our, my grades also, and my sister's grades were starting to suffer a little bit we had no tv from like from fifth grade until uh 11th grade until 9-11 9-11 was the day we got our tvs back wow because 9-11 had happened and my parents wanted to watch it so sad day for america good day for the lieb family but i uh in that intervening time I didn't get to play video games. I didn't get to watch it. I had to go to other friends' houses to like fucking watch, you know, TV and shit. I came to everything late.

And, uh, I will say what instead happened is I just discovered, uh, drugs and started, uh, in like sixth grade, I started smoking weed. Uh, you know, I started doing harder stuff a little bit later on. The grade after the TV was gone? The TV was gone, and I was like, what's left to do? I was like, I'll just hang out with friends. A lot of times, those friends had weed,

so we started smoking it. I'm just saying, I think that more harm was done to me by not having tv and video games in my life than when we actually you know you know then yeah so i'm just saying the tv made me i think you know not as dumb as the drugs made me so yeah keep that in mind everybody i mean look also look you knew who the 21st president was not because of school, but because of that actor who played that trucker in Die Hard with a Vengeance. That's right.

I know who Joss J. Arthur is because of TV. Keep the TVs in. What about the little gallon jug challenge that Simon had him do in Central Park with the filling up the water jugs? I was playing along with them being like, how do they get that and then boom i i learned all sorts of shit can we also say the most popular games for

kids right now right let's go through what they are minecraft incredibly wholesome biggest video game of all time minecraft incredibly wholesome it's fucking legos it's like the best thing ever it is it and you play it with your friends. You build a world together. It's unbelievable. Minecraft. Fortnite. Another game about building, full of secrets.

Fortnite has so many secrets basically designed for you to talk about with your friends. And kids play it with each other. It's a social game. And then Among Us was another huge game with kids. Intensely social. And it's learning how to figure out which one's the alien, which is something I think we all need to be able to do. Yeah, you need to find the liars in your life.

Exactly. And it teaches you how to do that. You isolate all of the liars and snitches. Right, exactly. So when I get a fundraising text from Nancy Pelosi, I'm like, this is sus. Shit is sus. And none of those games, this is sus. Shit is sus. And none of those games, by the way.

How does $14 help you codify a row? Please help me understand that. And even if you played video games, you're like, I don't understand. If I pay the $14, do I get the codified row power up? Yeah. I don't? No, you get a banana suit. Yeah, good enough.

Yeah. Here's some poster board. And also, don't forget, and here's a mail-in ballot. Don't forget us in November. Okay. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show.

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