The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 239 (Best of 8/15/22-8/19/22)

Episode Date: August 21, 2022

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laugh-stravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. We are thrilled to have in the studio two wonderful podcasters as well as co-authors. Maybe you know them from their podcast, By the Book. Maybe you've heard about their book, How to Be Fine, What We Learned from Living by the

Rules of 50 Self-Help Books. And if you like self-help books, great, great topics to talk about because I think all of us, we look in there and say, does this stuff work? What if I really follow to the letter of the law? Guess what?

They did that. And also you can hear them on the latest show for Romance Road Test. Again, trying out different kinds of advice, seeing what the results are. Please welcome to the microphones.

We have Kristen Meinzer and Jalenta greenberg so excited to be here oh thank you for thank you happy to have you we feel like we should sing but we're not gonna that's fine you know no pressure let's look jolenta is such a good singer by the way she is i just can't come up with like, you know, a song from our youth and then make podcasting lyrics about it on the fly. Jalinta, you got some pipes? No. Oh.

She's being modest. She has a beautiful voice. Okay. What's your karaoke song? What's like your number one karaoke? What's your go-to? Oh, that's hard. I'm always good to do nine to five because people get impressed. If you can keep up with all of the fast lyrics, which I usually can, depending on my level of inebriation.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are chops right there. It's the end of the world, as we know it, for the other fast lyrics. Wow, yeah. TikTok is hard also. Oh, yeah. Oh, TikTok does go.

What about you? Kristen, do you have a go- also. Oh, yeah. Oh, TikTok does go. What about you? Kristen, do you have a go-to? Oh, absolutely. My go-to is always Raspberry Beret by my hometown hero, Prince. He's from my hometown, Minneapolis. Okay. Shout out. One thing I really like about that song is you can kind of talk half of it instead of

singing. Sure. You can swag it out. And since I'm not a good singer, i can just yeah you know talk it through my boss was mr mcgee do you hear that wow see whoa yeah expert singer wow ripped out in swag oh wait so where are you both coming to us from are you in minneapolis or what cities are we in collectively right now we are both in brooklyn okay not too far apart from each other but in our respective homes.

Okay. Fantastic. Love it. Shout out Brooklyn. Man, we've had yesterday or on Friday's episode too. We had some people from the 718 checking in. Brooklyn in the house. And also Becca Romantou.

Look, we're a national international podcast, obviously, but we're out here. And so tell us a little bit about your newest show. um but we're out here oh and so tell us a little bit about your newest show because like as someone who i you know i used to read a lot of self-help books like in college because you know i i thought that would make up for never going to therapy uh turns out therapy is more effective than self-help books in most instances but when i saw the premise of this i'm like okay what i like you i'm like you you're you're in my similar mindset of like, let's test the advice. Let's see what is actionable. Give us a little bit of a taste of what's going on with the new show.

Yeah. So Romance Road Test, we, rather than reading full self-help books, cover to cover, 450 pages of how to improve your life, we just snack on short articles, TikTok videos, YouTube videos, and so on that are dispensing relationship hacks, things that we find in women's magazines and so on, and we apply them to our relationship. So everything from do something terrifying together to assemble flat pack furniture to get closer with your partner, introduce each other to your hobbies, read smut to each other. We do all of the things. Sex every day for a week. Yes, all of that. I saw grooming as well, grooming each other. Yeah, grooming each other. We do all of the things. Sex every day for a week. Yes. All of that. I saw grooming as well. Grooming each other. Grooming each other. Oh, yes. Yes. We do all

that so you don't have to. And then you get to eavesdrop on it because it's kind of an audio reality show. So we tape ourselves laughing, crying and fighting through every one of these hacks. Oh, that's amazing. Great. Is there, is there one, uh, like, cause like you've typically, this is kind of like the stuff you focused on was like taking knowledge or self-help things or relationship advice. What's been like the most surprising thing that you're like, this is the, this will never work. And you're like, Oh, they were right about that. Damn. That really worked. I mean, I don't want to speak for you, Kristen, but I'm going to. But I would say trying something terrifying together was a surprising thrill, shall I say. Like, it was definitely something I went into reluctantly and was like, this will not work.

But, like, you know, when your nerves are up, like, your endorphins are up, and then you guys are like bonded and like jittery together. And it's like, yeah. Right. It supposedly simulates a lot of the same feelings you have when you're first falling in love with someone. The uncertainty, the where do we stand? We're not on firm ground. What's happening here? And then also the shared trauma of surviving that terrifying thing.

The trauma bond afterwards. And that was one of the only hacks that we did that both Jolenta and her partner and I and my partner, it was one of the only ones that we all universally felt was great. And that's relative, right? Because for me, something terrifying would be to go to know, go to a Lululemon opening. That sounds terrifying. What are the parameters? Like if someone who's listening right now says what what's the sort of sliding scale to say this is terrifying.

This is adequately terrifying to improve my relationship. That was going to be my question. What is the terrifying thing? For us, it was just like what we could agree on as a couple. Like, cause you know, even just, yeah, the stuff that terrifies you may not necessarily terrify your partner, but you got to find like a bit of a middle ground. Right. And like, it doesn't have to be too extreme as long as it makes both of you a little hesitant.

Right. Like go to like a mattress store and cut off the tags. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. Just thrill seeking. Never know where we end up. This is apparently a federal offense. Wait, so do you mind if I ask what you both did respectively as your terrifying events? Yeah. So my husband and I did something that on the outside probably just looked cute, but on the inside was so scream induinducing that half of the audio from that episode is just me screaming the whole time. It was us riding a tandem bicycle together.

And I'm literally screaming at the top of my lungs through half this episode. And Dean, when he gets very tense, he just goes silent. So it's just him saying nothing and me screaming the whole time. Wait, so are you not comfortable on a bike? What made it terrifying? Or the idea that the two of you have to, in tandem, keep the bike upright? Well, I am not a super confident bike rider in the city. Like, I can ride a bike, like, maybe on the beach. But I've been in bike accidents.

I've been hit by bikes before. I've been in bike accidents. I've been hit by bikes before. I've been injured by bikes. And meanwhile, my husband, he's just a little bit too much of a thrill seeker on bikes. And just a few weeks before we did this, he was in the ER because he had a mountain biking accident. So the last thing I want to do is get on a bike with somebody who's so reckless that he gets into mountain biking accidents. And the last thing he wants to do is get on a bike with somebody who's too scared to ride a bike in the city. And so it was terrifying for both of us. Okay. What about you, Jalenta? I mean, mine was like very heteronormative, but my husband and I, I drove us to the beach.

And normally, even though we're both like very good drivers, he's the one that tends to drive, especially in the city. I'm like, I'll drive out of the city. No problem. But he tends to do the city driving. And so just him sort of giving up that control and like letting me have it and me sort of getting my sea legs or like my city driving legs again was definitely terrifying. Like I tend to be like maybe a little overly cautious, which will get you like honked at and like, you know, there was lots of yelling, but in the end we couldn't believe we made it. And like,

we were definitely on a high. Nice. And I think, yeah, actually the more I ask, I'm like, wait, the real exercise here, I think for somebody trying to figure out what is a good activity is more to be open enough with yourself to be like, what are my vulnerabilities, actually? Because those will probably lead to more trying activities that will only enrich the relationship for sure. What is something from your search history? What is something from your search history? Ooh, search history right now. Gosh, I have been looking into something called empathic discipline, which is an approach to creating stronger teacher-student trust and relationships with the goal of decreasing racial disparities in school discipline, like suspensions, expulsions, detentions, things like that. And there's some really interesting research done by an amazing psychologist named Jason Okonofua, who finds that, and the research found that when you

train teachers to use empathic approaches to students, when you train teachers to really focus on building trusting relationships and avoiding labeling students and really thinking about how important the teacher-student relationship is to helping students' success, thinking about how important the teacher-student relationship is to helping students' success, what happens is suspensions drop and specifically racial disparities in suspensions decrease as well. So it's like this really interesting approach to decreasing bias that doesn't actually target bias. So it's like kind of this ninja or maybe more like judo. It's like this, this move of getting at the consequences of bias without actually trying to

tackle the bias itself. So I've been, I've been researching that. So just focusing on building empathy, like with teachers having empathy with their students across the board. And the idea that like, just by having by having a like an actual relationship a student will probably be like oh yeah i respect you because i trust you so if you're telling me that i'm less likely to act out versus me being like oh here comes this fucking asshole who just wants to say i'm a bad influence all the time that's exactly it

so what this researcher found was that a lot of like bias interventions, think of it as this one way street, which is like the teacher expressing bias toward the student. But what Jason Okonofua found, Dr. Okonofua, is that it's actually like an interactive experience. So exactly as you point out, Miles, like the teacher is maybe having certain stereotypes about students and the student senses that and they are primed to act out because they don't trust the teacher and they're expecting to be treated in a particular way. And so that might even create them to act out more and then fulfill the teacher's stereotype, which just creates this like endless. And then the teacher's like, and I was right about them. Exactly. And then on we go.

Right. For sure. You nailed it. Yeah. So this approach is really designed to interrupt that bad cycle and help teachers really understand how important it is to, for the student to feel respected and for the teacher to respect the students and to create that bond.

So that exactly like when a problem arises, the student, like, as you point out, is like, oh, OK, maybe this teacher is right. Maybe I do need to kind of shift things around. And I know that they I know that they respect me. And so it creates the foundation for a relationship that then causes students to feel more respected and behave better. Right. And it seems like it's just something really good teachers naturally do.

You know, like I think of like teachers I've had, I've had teachers who have like written me off and I'm like, and I hated being in their classroom because they're going to be like the second. I have one teacher who like, if anybody laughed at any time, she was like, Miles, what are you doing? Or something. Cause she thought I was distracting the class.

I'm like, dude, I don't even sit on that side of the classroom. What the fuck are you talking about? And it all, I was, it was always very tense. And then I had other teachers who thought I was distracting the class. I'm like, dude, I don't even sit on that side of the classroom. What the fuck are you talking about? And it all I was it was always very tense. And then I had other teachers who knew I was I could be disruptive, but like would come at me and say, like, hey, look, I know you got you get excited. You want to talk to your friends, but like just help me out and just kind of like cool it when you do it. And that approach all like I was always more respectful with those teachers

who were like, hey, I get it, you know, like I get you. But like, please shut the fuck up. And I was like, OK, those teachers who were like hey i get it you know like i get you but like please shut the fuck up and i was like okay cool versus like here he goes the loud kid again throwing up gang signs ruining our class picture and i'm like get back in your thunderbird already elise yeah i mean one thing that was super interesting to me about this research was that when he when this when the psychologist recruited teachers for the study, he didn't actually tell them that they were doing, that he was like doing an intervention with them. What he told them was he was, they were being recruited to kind of reflect and review best practices in teaching. Right. and review best practices in teaching. Right.

And review. And so they were given this material that talked about how important trusting relationships are and how important it is to not label a student or assume that the teacher knows why a student is behaving that way and to instead look for maybe situational reasons that a student is behaving that way rather than fix it to like some kind of essential aspect of that student. And so they were, yeah, so exactly, they were kind of they were told that

they were just reviewing best practices. And, and then they reviewed things like how students felt when they felt respected and how that helped them learn. And yeah, I mean, the results were were pretty spectacular in terms of actually changing the dynamic. It's wild how much we ask of our teachers too already, right? Like, because on top of, you know, the many teachers who listen to this show, again, thank you so much. I'll continue to retweet your wish lists. But the added sort of task of like, yeah, look, some kids are not supported at home and are going to come in here. yeah, look, some kids are not supported at home and are going to come in here.

And then also, we also need you to have these skills to be able to make sure that they can navigate life because they're not going to be through this like chaotic sequence of like not trusting people in authority positions and what that turns into in adulthood. Just, just how much we ask. That's why very, Hey, thank a teacher when you see them, because that's why I'm so grateful because I think of the teachers who actually tried to understand me rather than just kind of be like, this guy's a disruptive asshole. And it's like, thank you. And that helped me be more interested in like school at the end of the day, rather than like feeling like I was going to a place where people were just going to be like, you're bad. That's so dope, though, that you've that the study found that the training like it is changeable it's not a fixed problem it's it's something where training teachers to you know just focus on this

this part of their relationships with students it like makes makes an impact is that is that something that's like generalizable to healthcare and, you know, other places is empathic discipline kind of being adopted? Law enforcement, I don't know. It's a really, it's a really interesting question. I mean, I think what, like, if you zoom out a little bit, I think what this approach shows is that if you want to address people's biases, one thing that can work that we see in this education research is enhancing their other values, like boosting their commitment to values like trusting relationships and respect and mutual understanding

and avoiding labeling. And so if you kind of boost and like amplify those values, then that can override these automatic responses that, that we might have toward one another. So it kind of like, yeah, it's almost, it's like, it's like, I don't know, like a vitamin, like a kind of steroid, like you, you give your other values steroids and then it kind of like over,

this metaphor is falling apart. Sorry. No, no, it's okay. We're a pro steroids podcast. Yeah, we're always having very strongly.

We're both, we're both on cycles right now. So you do a hit of Balco straight into the empathy zone. Everyone is completely juice. Yeah! Yeah, so, but no, it's true. I love this study. Sorry.

Not only did my biceps get bigger, my heart was enlarged also. The Grinch's heart only grew three sizes that day? That ain't shit, bro. Sorry. All right. Yeah, no, I'm glad that you, I'm glad you mentioned policing because, shit, humane ways, rather than just avoid like breaking the law and avoid just like criminal behavior. Right. And that, yeah. And I think, you know, in that case, it's a lot about creating incentives.

Like we talk about, you know, I was just at a meeting actually here in Minneapolis talking about improving police behavior and accountability. And everyone focuses primarily on accountability and correct punishment for failure. We need more guardrails, more guardrails kind of thing, right? Exactly. And that's like really, it's totally important. I mean, it creates like a floor below which you cannot go in terms of bad behavior. But I think we miss something when we talk about this, because culture is not just what you punish, but it's also what you reward. And I think if we just talk about punishment without talking about what we're actually trying to reward and incentivize

and like the kind of behavior we actually want, then we only kind of have half the right half the story. Yeah. And even in like that guardrail metaphor, it's like if I think of a cop as a bowler, like, do you want the guys like, yeah, put the bumpers up because I'm sloppy as shit. Or someone who's like, there's a there's someone in need. I know how to solve it. Let me just bowl a strike here. I don't need guardrails because I'm focused on a different version, which is like, I'm out of control. How do you contain that? I want that guy who said, who do you think you are?

I am. That's the bowler. That's the bowler. Metaphor shots. But yeah, Jack, to your question about values. I mean, like if you can generalize that the education work to policing, I mean, I think that you can create incentive structures. In fact, there's a there's a small group in L.A., the Community Safety Partnership, that there was just an independent evaluation of this particular police program, which was designed around changing incentives. So officers were rewarded for building relationships instead of making arrests. And so the value was in the relationship. That's

what they were actually being rewarded for. And the analysis that came out of this, of that program found that it did change police behavior, actually. And it also decreased violent crime. That's very cool. Shout out to LA. Is that that was an LAPD? It was believe it or yes, it was LAPD. It was a small group that's currently headed by Amada Tingerides, Deputy Chief Amada Tingerides. And it was like a small pilot program that started in in Watts in I want to say 2011 with like 40 officers that were tasked with creating relationships and were rewarded on the basis of whether they created relationships with the community that's very cool what's uh what's something you think is underrated definitely uh jordan peele's new movie nope

i feel like it's underrated i think that movie is super dope. I was in the theater doing finger guns the whole time. So many parts of it because it has so many like cool like mergings of influences and genres and styles. I was like, oh, this movie is great. But at the same time, when the lights went up, I could audibly hear people talking about like, I don't know about this one. What's going on with this one and i'm i'm just in my seat seething because i'm like yo it's not supposed to be get out it's not supposed to be us yeah it's a whole different movie enjoy the movie for what it is right let go of your expectations get into it brother they're like what it means black cowboy people's like search and shit it's like yeah i'm you know so i've been seeing a whole lot of mixed reviews about it from various sources.

But I love the movie. I think people should go see that movie for sure. Right, right, right. Absolutely. I'm waiting to go maybe in the next couple of weekends or something. I was supposed to go with my wife, but that's like burning a hole in my pocket. If I had a ticket or I was like like please let me go to see this one yeah i can't wait and it really has been divided it's wild i was talking to a group of friends and people were split in that group yeah and people who were like even like i know it's a different film it's like i'm just thinking like could it have been better even as a genre thing i was like okay you know what i i just want to talk

to people who are like go see it go see it go see it i saw people immediately in hate mode like fresh out of the theater seat like oh nobody like nope truly nope i don't like this yeah like damn arms yeah it was it was so great i didn't expect that you know but i enjoyed the movie so jokes on them. Hey, thanks. Yeah. It's so enjoyable. There's so much good stuff in it. I can see a criticism that it's not as coherent as his other ones because there's just a lot of cool ideas, but also it doesn't need to be coherent. He's like an artist.

He's putting things out there. Yeah, I agree. you know he's he's putting things out there but yeah i agree like it people after the movie like walking down the escalator were were like i didn't know what he was saying half the time i couldn't understand him so wait the character or yeah i was. What are we talking about? Oh, no. Oh, like literally. I couldn't understand. Oh, wow. They're doing that one?

Yeah. What dialect was that? Oh, my God. Oh, shit. Yeah. I mean, I think he's a good actor, but I didn't know what he was saying. But that movie is great. Everybody should go check it out.

Absolutely. What else is out in movies? I feel like they stopped releasing movies after Top Gun came out there. We did it. We're good until nope. There was just a, like, article about how, what do you call it? August is, like, very not much going on in August. Wait, wait.

You know what I saw, though? I saw Bullet Train is out. Oh, yeah. Bullet came out i did i did see that that was okay yeah that was aggressively okay yeah yeah oh hey that hey that's a perfect description yeah definitely aggressively okay extra medium i don't know about y'all how do y'all feel about brad pitt's acting in general like what like how do y'all he's like a vibe he's not an actor he's like a vibes dealer word you know we're on the same page yeah to me i'm never like damn brad pitt fucking body that role yeah i'm like brad pitt has a he contains multitudes and it just depends which one he pulls out of his back yeah my thing is like yeah brad pitt did not ruin

this good movie tight yeah and i don't mind because just like hey i'm brad pitt and i'm like fine cool yeah he really is he really is himself at all like we could be in the 1800s we could be in the future yeah you could be a traveler and snatch i'm like yeah he said periwinkle blue you know i'm brad pitt with a with an accent but i'm brand exactly yeah exactly is he eating throughout this i like that that is one of the things that i usually need him to be doing i do remember some eating i remember i definitely remember some drinking of water he definitely was drinking he was staying hydrated yeah he's like put things in his mouth that's another one that's super divisive to people who love it or hate it.

My mom was like, I love that shit. Wait, meanwhile, Big Her and Steve Hernandez, tough guy of the year. I saw him tweet. He said he walked out of Bullet Train. Oh, yeah. Wow. Steve Hernandez. He tweeted.

I had to retweet that with the tough guy gift because I was like, oh, you walked out of the military. All right, homie. I see. They do. There are a lot of things that get wrapped up very neatly in that movie. I could I could see somebody like not digging that, but like walk out movie like the last movie I walked out of was like that. Johnny Knoxville movie where he was like in the Special Olympics. was like that uh johnny knoxville movie where he was like in the special olympics like yeah oh like this like this is my god this shit is fucked up i gotta go it's like crime against humanity yeah yeah like i can't be here but uh other than that like damn like i remember after the fact too they were trying to like really act like they were doing everybody is solid they're like yeah but these people like now they they got little careers going they act like they were doing everybody a solid. They're like, yeah, but these people, now they got little careers going.

They were doing press for the show. Yeah. You're not like, don't lay your head at night on your big pillow of I'm an ally and help with better representation. No. Come on now. But yeah, the bullet train thing, I feel like it looks so campy that I can tell you might either be pissed either be pissed off because it's so camp or you can accept that and be like, I don't know. Fine. Fuck it.

It was, you know, it's an airplane movie. But yeah. Yeah, for sure. Zara, what is something you think is overrated? Switch it up. Your lawn. Your grass. Get rid of it.

Oh, my God. Why is it still everywhere? My car. my my car why did i say my car the other most american thing well it's just making me sad that i said that because i really just meant my desk and that means that i feel like i'm in a moving vehicle behind this screen yeah and you do have one of those little Fisher Price, like steering wheel things. And you've been hitting the, going beep beep every time you want to start talking.

So I think it's effective. You love my Fisher Price steering wheel, Jack. Uh-huh. You've had the turn signal on the entire recording though. So I would ask that you. Anyways. Get rid of your lawn, what the hell it's 125 degrees in some places yeah people are mowing dead yellow grass just kicking up dust yeah what are you doing just go to nice drought proof plants if you like the plants in the front the lawn shit i mean this is that there's just like an article about how like how the in like

northern mexico like there's really really severe water rationing happening to combat drought but meanwhile just over the border like in laredo texas they're using like there's something like 10 million gallons a day or something on fucking like like lawns and stuff and i'm sure like la every drought area that has lawns has some absurd number they're wasting just purely on watering grass but it it feels like one of the easiest i mean like i get that there's so many things that we obviously need to lean on like changing our energy mix and much bigger ideas and things like that to save the planet but i like the more i look at i'm like i don't need to see fucking grass all the fucking time like in a place that's a desert there are succulents that look like grass yeah you don't need to do this. And also, the causes of some wildfires have been lawnmowers on dead, dry grass that shoot sparks and catch fire.

They're like, what are you doing? I put my friction machine over this fuel pile in high winds. I don't understand what happened. Wildfires are job creators, Zara. That's what you have to understand. Yeah, for prison labor. You sound like a warden right now. It's actually a really great employment opportunity

for our prison teammates. No, I get it. I've been hired for arson and I've done it, but my heart was not in it. It just was not. That's why it warms my heart to see the golf courses where activists

have been filling up the holes with cement. Oh, that's amazing. Although, I will say, just turn up the green. Don't fill up the holes with cement because they move the hole every day. So you can just like, oh, that's easy for them to. Yeah, they can just poke that shit out. But I love the love, the effort and the symbolism is great.

It's just like that's probably didn't fuck with them too bad. But no, because they're so precious about their little grass, their little fairway grass. Because they're so precious about their little grass, their little fairway grass. They got the little things that like comb it and like primp it after you hit the ball off of the grass. They're like, it's got to be smooth. Right. Like what was what's the movie where they're like tunneling out of prison and they're like taking the dirt with them out into the yard? Right.

The Great Escape? Oh, yeah. Oh, is that Shawshank Redemption 2? Well, Shawshank, yeah. He's like letting the dirt loose through his pant leg oh yeah yeah yeah and then they lampoon that in naked gun too when they're trying to escape and he's just like sitting on a fucking mountain i'm like would you do a similar thing but with like grass killer on a fucking golf course like just wear big pants you're like four and then like a bunch of shits coming out the bottom of that guy's pants and spelling fuck you and eat the rich on the fairway are we still shitting on lawns yeah yeah yeah oh good we had to we had to take a sharp right turn into the gulf the country club

real quick speaking of grass listen now now that i'm employed there are all these freelance jobs i have to say no to and that's where these are coming from and this is coming from like 10-15 years into your future for the rest of america because i was back east and everything's green back there just by accident like there's grass growing places like because what else is gonna happen of course grass is gonna grow there but yeah we are uh we're into the the drought that's coming for all of us and the only things that are green are golf courses and like a handful of and huge like agribusiness right there's like 25 states that don't need grass. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. In this union. Never had it.

Look, I love a field for like sport, but you know, the turf is getting pretty good. You know? Yeah. True. This is also because outside my window, while I'm trying to podcast, there's these huge John Deere's

over this like 10 by 10 patch it doesn't make any sense and there's so much diesel donuts essentially there's so much diesel they are they do donuts they're having a blast i feel for these guys i get it it's a good time but it sucks and so that's where my underrated comes in which is what yeah what is your under it these are dark chocolate almonds uh-huh and yeah i like how you get yo we gotta we gotta get off the fucking lawn business too one of the most water intensive products in this in the fucking state the actual one of the biggest reasons that products in this in the fucking state the actual one of the biggest reasons that california is experiencing drought because the fucking almond industry now almonds not water intensive enough we gotta add cocoa beans that's what i'm saying

fuck the lawn so i can have more of these chocolate covered almonds at a reduced fucking price this brings me to my underrated mention which is hypocrisy is really the cure for heart disease in this nation try it out it's great it will keep you alive so long wait but let me see those almonds again they're good yeah each one i just i taste gallons of water in the chocolate goodness. You're like, with each almond, that's one less child 30 years from now that will know the feeling of grass under their bare feet. Know what a shower is. Do you ever think about that? Like, these are really weird, small details that is going to go missing from,

from kids. Like honestly grass, right? Like I'm out here really thinking, looking at my own shit. I'm like, what the fucking grass necessary. Oh my God.

We already live in the era where most people don't know what I mean by a real university experience. Right. Or like what it's like to have campus life right you know and like there's so many things like you don't think about like 50 years from now or something with the water shortages and stuff you think like you know immediate like pools you know sprinklers water bottles and you don't think like oh yeah we might not be able to produce almonds anymore because it's just so water intensive right or we do because they have an outsized influence in the state legislature and they're like i'm sorry man if only you guys had more lobbyists right it's

like when you it's like when you look at like corn politics and then it's like oh yeah that's my batteries and my advil and my windowsill. You know that AstroTurf you use on your lawn is actually made from recycled almonds. They just make too many almonds. So they've turned it into... It's an almond-based AstroTurf. Let me tell you about this little heart salve that I call hypocrisy. Folks, get on board. Well, you got to sip from it every now and then.

You simply must. Well, see, because when you get drunk off it, that's when it's problems. But every now and then, it's like, just a quick little taste. I knew you'd get it. Yeah. Shout out Blue Diamond Almonds uh inaugural sponsor of the podcast all right let's take a quick break we'll be right back i'm jess casaveto executive producer of the hit netflix documentary series dancing for the devil

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got her own maga swag her own swagger but yeah she one handled i think what 68 of the vote she got 68 of the vote so you know i think if you turn on like cnn or msnbc some are like being like hey you know it's like almost treating her like a fallen hero but come on y'all like she deserves no applause like she helped elevate trump she voted for nine she voted with him 93 of the time and only found a backbone after january 6th presumably because she hoped that an electoral defeat would be a tidy way to get him out the way which is i just feel like that's the that's the most charity i could give her so i'll give her you know what i'll give her one point because she did draw the line at election theft but not at

things like restricting like health care or lg or LGBTQ rights or voting rights or human rights and shit like that. So there it is. But really what this says is that this is this is pretty much the as many people are saying it's the purge of anybody who went against Trump in the House is pretty much gone off without a hitch. Yeah. Eight out of 10. So, yeah. And you said there's two left and they're hanging on by technicalities yeah like one like there's a it's just like the way the district is set it's just it's like a it's an eventuality i think the other is a friend of kevin mccarthy and kevin mccarthy like begged

trump to not like name him to maybe eke out a fucking win spare him sir yeah no seriously so you know it's it's her speech when she conceded was sort of like you know i could have won this race but i didn't want to throw the whole boot okay i only wanted to lick the tip a little bit a few years ago and then i drew the line there and that's why i got smashed by somebody who was willing to regurgitate any amount of nonsense. So, you know, this is probably, you know, obviously the end of the road for her as a congressperson at the moment. But there's already a lot of talk and, you know, saying like, yeah, I might think about running for president, too. And there's like a new leadership pack that she's like shifting her money into. That's called like the great task or some shit.

Very cryptic. The great task is fore shit very cryptic the great task yeah it's something foreboding as hell yeah it's something it's some shit like that very very very honest so and then a lot of people think like you know that that may that may be her ultimate aim is to just be the permanent thorn in trump's side but yeah i mean her as a presidential candidate feels very like the wet dream of like cnn cnn loves that shit oh yeah idea of like first of all she's you know got legacy she's got the nepotism thing going she has like uh you know what when the national news cycle was like well jeb bush is Bush is going to be the nominee type shit.

I feel like I could see her getting a lot of attention that way. And if she can somehow rip off the band-aid for getting people's mind around third parties, I would be all about that. Who knows? I mean, look, a good pedigree, though. Her dad actually knows how to steal an election that's true like look out i mean that's that's a feather in your

hat about florida yeah you know what i mean but yeah we'll see well i i don't know i mean amy what do you think you you see her being serious like having a serious political career after a lot of people think maybe she'll just be a pundit no man i think she's done i think she also knows that she's done it's it's like that scene at the end of black panther where tatala at the end is like you know what i can kind of see things your way now it still doesn't erase everything that the villain has done the whole movie you know what i mean uh liz cheney is a very staunch conservative. And when we're thinking about what's good for the country, forget what's good for the country. Think about where the polls are, the national polls and what people actually want. She's one of those people that's voted

regularly against what nationally people in America actually want for this country. And on top of that, if you want to just for a second talk about her position on waterboarding a she doesn't think that waterboarding is actually torture she's on record saying that it's not torture and that it's an interrogation technique that works yeah and to this day to this day she still thinks that that's why in the end we were able to get bin laden never mind the fact that the cia the cia themselves had their own fact-finding agency that produced like a 6 700 page report that in the end concluded that there is no evidence saying that any information obtained by any of those interrogation

techniques if you want to i'm gonna call it torture nothing obtained by torture helped us get bin laden but that doesn't matter you know what i mean she's still in that realm of conservative where her her position matters more than the truth 100 when it comes to actually hurting people and hurting the country i don't know man i'm kind of glad to see her go at yeah it's nice that she at the very end grew a conscious, but we would have loved to see that conscious. But what I think I'm more worried about is where the conservative and Republican party is going. Because I think this, in my opinion, what was at stake was what Trump's power. I think a lot of people were talking about Trump as being this tangential figure in the

Republican party. Now he's sort of out of the way he's quieter. He's off Twitter. He doesn't have that reach. I think he proved a lot of people wrong by getting Liz Cheney totally, you know, it's, it's insane. The margin that she was beat out by man, like just that's insane incumbent. I don't think that's ever happened before ever. So I think it's not a good sign if you're someone who's worried about trump's power and at the same time uh knowing now that the republican party is is a party that's loyal to a person it's it's gonna get hairy from here i mean i'm feeling a lot of people are like bro i think these some of these people think this motherfucker is jesus the way some of these evangelicals are talking too it's like he's redefining religion for some people

with like their adherence to everything that he says i mean i think one of the reasons why they're really energized too is like the republicans it's easier to be like this motherfucker's a traitor and turn out against them while being upset at like what you know democrats being in power but for sure i mean like it it shows that that grievance vote is was very potent there but i don't know you know does she maybe she'll spoil the party i don't know it's like i don't know who she takes it's like those people who might be like i can't get with trump it's like well don't i don't know if those are votes for anybody else but him anyway but yeah i recently ran a piece in slate about the line between extremism and mainstream republican politics shrinking

right and so i talked to a research fellow at the sufjan center which is like this far right not not far they they investigate extremism wherever it comes from. And they found that that line, that's, you know, the distance that a person has to travel to find crazy conspiracies and violent rhetoric has virtually disappeared. And now if you go online and you're looking for just run of the mill conservative ideas, run-of-the-mill conservative ideas you're pretty much guaranteed to be funneled into one of these corners of the internet where you're bound to encounter some of the most hardcore shit you know what i mean right and so this i think like the whole list cheney thing is just uh it's like a symptom of a bigger problem which is that the the person who's online looking for conservative ideas now is just being thrashed with so much of this crazy extremist shit and i'm not talking about just like extremism on like abortion or you know i'm talking about replacement we gotta burn it down you know what i mean yeah

like accelerationist yeah yeah it Yeah. It's insane. Uh, so I think that distinction is important between like what Republican ideas are and like the, the extremism shit that this group was talking about when they're, for example, trying to kind of tear all of the institutions apart, tear trust away from these institutions so that people feel helpless in working with the system. So they start looking for solutions outside the system and those those solutions are not going to be peaceful, right? No. Now we're talking about subverting the will of American democracy, the will of your neighbor. Now you're just trying to enforce it by force. And so what does that look like? It looks like

the dude going and setting his car on fire in Washington, DC. And we're talking about the dude going and setting his car on fire in front of the in washington dc and we're talking about the dude who tried to blast through a bulletproof glass in an fbi building in cincinnati with a nail gun you know right that's what that looks like and so i think uh it's it's not looking good it's not looking good but do you think like he is more electorally viable than like people are giving him credit. Like it seems to me like he is the presumptive, presumptive, like winner of the 22, not even the nominee.

There's not even be a primary. I don't like he's gonna, he's going to be the nominee. Like I feel like the amount of energy we're seeing out here and like unprecedented wins in you know granted it's wyoming or whatever the fuck but like it just feels like the people are once again sleeping on the fact that trump is going to be the president again barring some manner of like i don't know charges against him which is also very unlikely i feel like i don't know man it's it's bleak bleak times and like what does a trump

presidency look like yeah but i don't know i mean that's why that's why it's close to pay gotta pay attention to these midterms man that's you'll see what a how much people are like oh do i have to vote to keep my rights for the first like do i need to go get out to do that will they do that are people connected enough to what the stakes are is by virtue of all of the talk in like dc really centering around like what's going on with trump like is he going to jail is he getting indicted is he getting charged definitely good for like the media energy machine but then like when i do see people like eric trump being like these people were like fighting over giving me dinner you got to see i'm like that did shit didn't happen full shut up like it's not like that okay but i do understand that

it is this is the absolute position. Fox, Trump, the right wing loves to be in is to get into like we got they they're coming for us mode. Yeah. But, you know, again, seeing how like ill-equipped Republicans are when asked to comment on everything are like about the situation, then you're like, damn, like I'm sure these people would again rather be trying to say like actually falling gas prices is bad for Americans. Because that was like one of the last. They're really about it, man. You know, I think the lesson from 2016 when Hillary lost was that elections aren't won by energizing your base. The elections are won by getting the other side to not show up, you know? Right, right. That was the issue with Hillary.

It's not that Trump's support got him over the edge. It was that, but also Hillary supporters didn't show up, you know, partly because of, you know, her emails and the FBI opening investigation, just literally the same month of the election. But at the same time, it's, you know, I think we need to be thinking about that moving forward a little bit more because what is it that's going to get democrats out and to vote

right i think the problem is right we always talk about it i just saw a headline it's like what can joe biden do to bring out the youth vote it or you know like what has to happen and it sounds like this thing where the youth vote is this thing that like it's like through this alchemy we can energize them what is the secret recipe when really it's about can it's not about the youth vote waking up it's about can the party actually appeal to people stop putting it in the in the hands of like can the youth vote wake up it's like are you even are you even espousing policies that interest people like can you even connect with them it's not that you're trying to prod this like dead fucking body on the side of the road be like

come on man wake up it's about can you even put something in the air that people like oh that's a direction that i believe in that we can go for because a lot of times people you know hear a lot of political talking like this is a bunch of times people, you know, hear a lot of political talk and like, this is a bunch of bullshit. Case in point, fucking Andrew Yang recently out here talking about his third party on CNN. And he, this guy thinks he's so big brain. He's like, no, man, it's a fucking, it's about, it's about going forward, man.

It's about progress. Oh, okay. I know progress means something very specific to me. But when he was asked by jim mccost on cnn this dude oh my it's so yeah really you got to listen to this but like this is what happens when your people pleasing part of your brain is completely blown out because you don't even know what to do like how can i please anybody these things have taken over my body okay here we go please uh please show, show us the way, Andrew.

On both sides. You're going to have to come up with policy positions. Really negative results. Right, but Andrew. We just need a better system. Yeah, but Andrew, you're going to have to have policy positions at some point. How does the forward party feel about Roe versus Wade? Should it have been overturned? Well, I personally think that women's reproductive rights are fundamental human rights. But the forward party has not left or right, but forward stance on even the most divisive and contentious issues. What does that mean? Don't you have to take a position? What are you talking about? You can't just say, well, you know, this is a hot button issue, so I'm not going to take a position on you.

You know, you want to run the country. You're going to have to make some hard decisions, Andrew. Again, the forward party is about that common sense consensus majority view, which is very clear on abortion. It's clear about guns. What about assault weapons? It's actually clear on just about every issue under the sun. Should 18 year olds be able to buy AR-15s? Because of the nature of our system. Should 18 year olds be able to buy AR-15s? Again, the common sense consensus majority is that there should be some rules around background checks and access to firearms.

But we're not getting any of these things, Jim, because the two party system does not need to deliver. OK, well, it doesn't even sound like you can fucking deliver on having a take on shit. even sound like you can fucking deliver on even having a take on shit this is the i the so the idea that he's pitching is a third party that is the center is to the center and that is based on this talking point that was created by the republicans that is the Democrats are too far to the left, too extreme, except they're not extreme about literally anything. Like there's not an extreme left position that is occupied by the Democratic Party. So like anytime you try and ask like this new idea for a third party to like articulate how their position is different from the Democrats in any way they can't because the Democrats are the center is party.

The issue is we don't have a party that is to the left. Or as he says, left or right, but forward. Okay. So you're talking progress, right? Uh-huh.

That's, uh, I think that's a wrap, sir. If that's what you're saying because if we're talking progress inherently we're talking about disrupting the status quo and you should be able to articulate things like rather than falling back on a tidy talking point like well the common sense consensus well if your party represents that then fucking say that right

and what i just the problem is like you just there needs to be a party that's like, OK, we're not going to fucking waffle. It's like we need to go hard. Like we go hard. We're not mincing part that is like traditional Democrats and traditional like Republicans. And then there is like a fascist thing that is what like MAGA has become. And that's it. That's the entirety of like American political thought. Like those are your options nobody has articulated anything else other than you know like a handful of people who are not well i mean unless you're candidates unless you yourself are like reading like about like actually educating yourself like socialism and things like that i mean yeah there are there are many ways to look at you know how our country's

operating but i think because the ones that like you're saying those are the ones that are most readily available and overly represented for people are just like let me click on this news site right what do you guys think about like preferential voting you know uh when you like assign a party a number and you say, okay, I kind of like, I'll give Democrats a three, Republicans a two, and the Green Party a one. And you just like, they calculate it that way. I think they do that in other countries. Yeah, do that. I mean, anything better than the two-party system that we have right now. that the current like winner take all thing and the current like entrenched republican democrat

are not you know they like they make it impossible for a third party so like yeah that that would be great i feel like the only way we see any third party is is if Trump is prevented from being the Republican nominee, then like comes through as a third party candidate and like something extreme and accidental and, you know, something that neither of the two major parties can deal with. Because right now, like there's so the whole,

they are the entire system, Republican and Democratic parties. So like there you can't you really can't do anything unless you already like have built in a majority of like, you know, just insane numbers or energy or something like that. I mean, I feel like the energy right now is with fucking organized labor. Right. That's something that is becoming increasingly more at the front of mind for american people especially working people and we see a lot of people who are you know fighting to try and get equitable wages and benefits and things like that and again we always

you know you always see like oh these these talking points work when you're like hey man you should be able to fucking live off of one job and shit like that. But again, the issue is you always have you're always going to go up against the donor class, which are the people who cut the checks for the people whose vote you're trying to get. And they're like, hey, man, don't talk that shit like you're going to fucking raise my taxes, man. Fuck out of here. Fucking I'll wreck your whole shit with fucking with attack ads. Come on now. fucking i'll wreck your whole shit with fucking with attack ads come on now you know what i you know i kind of hate the way that it's set up right now because it will split the vote like crazy

you know what i mean by splitting the vote like if we have people who are going to be looking at this long list of parties and they're going to be thinking oh well, well, I kind of am not sure if I'm going to go left or super left or even more left, then that'll split the vote. So I'm Egyptian and I was paying really close attention in, I think it was like 2012 when Egypt had like the first democratic election ever in its history, right? Going all the way back to pharaonic times even. And the way that they did their election was kind of like what we do here where everybody's invited to make their own parties, right? But there were these two existing parties that were already, they had already a ton of support. I'm talking about the Muslim Brotherhood, which is like the theocratic conservative party, but then they also had the military, which is sort of the old regime, which is also like a super hardcore

conservative party. So everybody who wanted to vote progressive or liberal, which when I was down there and was interviewing people in Tahrir Square was most people, right? Nobody wanted the Muslim Brotherhood and nobody wanted the old government that they just revolted against. And so they were just trying to argue over like, who is the better of these three different liberal parties. And so what happened in the end? The conservatives voted for the Muslim group, the Muslim Brotherhood. The military people voted for the military group. And they were all in line.

They had their support. And then all the people voted for liberals, which if you added up all those tallies, they would have won. They weren't even on the runoff. They weren't even in the top two right you know what i mean it was like split between 100 different parties and candidates and yeah exactly yeah and so all of the people that i when i was there and they were talking about oh who are you going to vote for this person or that person neither of them were ever heard from again you know because they didn't have that kind of support to compete with the government or compete with applying to the government compete with the military or compete with uh the muslim brotherhood so i'm almost like i think we need to make up our mind do we want just

the two parties are we going to vote fascism yes or no or do we want that kind of tiered system where we can say i'm going to give this one three points, this one two points, this one five points. And that way there's sort of at least like a second choice, you know? Yeah. It's like, and at the end of the day, like whenever I think about it, I'm like, yeah, that would work.

And then I'm like, but the second you give people the option to take a bite out of a corporation's ass and that's popular, like the amount of money that's spent to like defeat policies like that. I'm like, what's first? Like, do we just need to get the money out of politics first? You know, to even to even have some semblance of a process that isn't completely tampered

with by moneyed interest. But on some level, it always we always be because, you know, our reliance on the media and things like that. But it's it's be because, you know, our reliance on, like, the media and things like that. But it's, yeah, a complex problem. And, yeah, at the moment, I think we're just stuck with, hey, you want which old guy you want? You want, like, kind of. Pick an old guy. Oh, yeah, exactly.

Pick an old guy. Which one do you want? The one who's, like, you know, kind of chill or the one who's definitely a fascist? And then you're like, about like someone fascist or fascist light pick one right exactly right right sugar-free fascist citizens united is has been like a flashpoint on the left that i've seen at least some people rallying behind i know the bernie sanders crowd was very in favor of repealing that i would love to see more energy behind that. I think you're right.

I think, and I do some, some of my own monitoring of the right-wing extremists and they hate money in politics just as much as a Bernie Sanders supporter would. You know? And in fact,

some of them love Trump so much because they see him as the anti-establishment candidate. Right. And right now, they're doing a victory lap over Liz Cheney because they see him as the anti-establishment candidate. Right. And right now they're doing a victory lap over Liz Cheney because they see him as old. Yeah. Yeah.

As the, as like the person that can get rid of some of these establishment types. Right. You know? So it's, I think one of the tweets that I saw from like this hardcore right person was, you know, because of Trump, we won't have a Bush or a Cheney in politics right now. Right. And, and they, they see him as like that, that kind of politics vanquisher. And so I think if we can find a way to bring that to the forefront, I think that'd be a strong uniter. I think you're onto something.

I'm just the one'm it's just the one it's like the answer to every question we have you know like we talk about like well how come it's still being so hard for the you like this starbucks union push right now it's like well the fucking and like the national labor relations board is severely underfunded and they can't keep up with helping like workers organize when like that's the federal agency tasked with it. And you get why people will drag their heels as representatives of Congress to not fund certain things because of how, how the money flows. And I'm like,

it answers so many questions. And like, I remember when I was working in politics, I was like, damn, it's this fucking just in front of your face. It's like this motherfucker signs your biggest check. So now all of your

fucking energy goes into protecting this person's fucking business interests and then like meanwhile you just go you glad hand in your district and be like yeah maybe we'll build this community center and shit but no you're not you're gonna go because you've been paid to like vote a certain way on these like like 10 bills every year that really matter most to your donors and then you fucking go on with it and you don't, and you, you, you, you save your time from having to actually fundraise like small dollar donations because lobbyists come in with huge packaged donations from other

moneyed interests. And now you're like, Oh shit, I'm set. I got more. Nope. Who's going to try and fucking step to me in a primary. I'll blow them out with the amount of cash I have because I'm backed by all

this money. And I think that's the one that's the only that's like I feel like without that piece being taken out, there's absolutely no fucking way because they're always able to put their fingers and shit. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll keep talking about this and what's happening with Starbucks. Starbucks. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series,

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That's creepy. He's creepy looking. I'm still adjusting to him. adjusting i'm just gonna say just a word for him i don't think he's as scary as their original ronald mcdonald though oh yeah i mean yeah okay okay clowns are like clowns are always fucking scary plastic head kings yeah but he's like because he's like a mixture of like like like a guy fox mask and like that duracell family from the 90s commercials oh my god all those like super exaggerated facial features white family like hey we're the duracell people yeah that's what the burger king got like he's definitely their cousin or some shit but burger king they're back at it again freaking out their customers they sent a mass email with a blank receipt for an order, like where it just says, thanks for ordering from Burger King.

Your order will be ready and placed at like with all this blank stuff. So it's like it didn't really have any details, but it said thanks for ordering. And a lot of people were like, oh, fuck, did someone hack my shit? And it's like doing what all people do when they immediately get their hands on a hacked account which is by burger king and the burger king later claimed that this was simply they said oh we don't they're being coy and then said it's just the result of internal of an internal processing error of people were just sort of like i don't i've never created a burger king account so what how do you even have my, like, what is this?

So with that piece aside, a lot of people are like, wait, they're also owned by Restaurant Brands International. And if you remember in Canada, Tim Hortons had a massive data breach where like all this sensitive information like leaked and like even the the privacy commissioner in canada said like this quote crossed the line for like how much like of this information that came out and at the time tim like hortons you're like please don't sue us how about we give you a coffee and a donut how about some some Timbits? No? Maybe? And people weren't too happy about that either. Sorry about your data loss. Sorry about your data loss.

I know someone completely started three credit cards and maxed them out already with your fake information. Would you like a cruller? Or an iced coffee? This coffee is only slightly burnt. Only slightly. Only slightly. This is a thing slightly burnt. Yeah, exactly. Only slightly.

But like, you know, this is like a thing that people are like, okay, whatever. What the fuck is going on? Like, this is kind of part and parcel with Burger King's like weird creep marketing. And a lot of people are like, this has to be part of like some kind of like elaborate scheme. Because in the past, like this is what they've done in the past. In 2017, they made a commercial specifically designed to hijack a Google Home device. Yeah. It's like so to the point where Google had to like, it said this from this article, quote, viewers discovered that by asking,

OK, Google, what is the Whopper burger? Like the like the speakers would then do all this other stuff. And Google had to intervene and be like, we had to stop this prompt, like from the from the our products then do all this other stuff and google had to intervene and be like we had to stop this prompt like from the from the our products like understanding this prompt because it's causing too much chaos and that was it we thought and then in 2015 apparently they had to settle of eight and a half million dollar like class action lawsuit over junk fax ads like facsimile machines faxes they were ascending in the year of our lord 2015 faxes to fucking people i believe that i worked at a place that got faxes still it was a it was a theater company and we would get spam from people like that right and every day we get at least like five faxes and it was like 2012 through 2015 or something what yeah and it got to people had fax machines in 2015 no either it got

like converted into an email and would get sent to like like one of the admins or you're like or like i remember working in an office like uh where the big networking Xerox machine was also a fax machine. And then every now and then you look in the printing tray and then like faxes had come in and you're like, what the fuck? I am not interested in a reverse mortgage on my car. What? But the people that were the members of that class action lawsuit were getting up to $500 per fax that they received. And they could get a maximum of four grand back. And that totaled out to like eight and a half million.

Oh, now I really wish I would have gotten one of those faxes. I was going to say, I want one of these faxes. I know. Where are my 500 bucks? You know, people are making money from getting like coming after the spam text people. Oh, they love me. They're calling me all the time. I got sc scam likely on

speed dial sorry to completely derail this but like if you're on the do not call registry and someone is like uh hitting you up if you can find out who the actual entity is behind that call you can typically just be like here's a form letter that sounds lawyery and they'll they'll they'll try and settle with you. No way. Okay, here's somebody to shut the fuck up, please. Get on that. I need this.

I get about 30 calls a day. I'm not exaggerating. Wow. Wow. And it takes energy, though. A lot of people say, like, you have to have the time to be like, what is this company? Who runs it? Can I get an email?

Because it's different than, like, if you're getting scammed, right? If someone's calling you and being like, hello, I windows xp security that's a different thing but like when you get the ones that's like hey your auto warranty if you can find out who's sending replace your hvac yeah you can get you can get some money you know it sounds like an episode of get rich nick yeah right is yeah just just be like the just balling off of complaints from being on the do not call list another thing i just want to add lastly in 2009 burger king also made a facebook app that you remember facebook apps damn i'll say wait what yeah i remember they were like built they were like oh yeah i remember i was just sorry that i haven't used in so long it's believable

that you wouldn't remember and i was like hey i know i've been a while i just went i just went back in my brain and went this app basically said if you delete 10 facebook friends you get a free whopper dollar gone sorry miles you're out i'm getting this whopper that's fine bro get your walk i'm gonna give a shit i won't be precious about that get your free fucking whopper uh but then after they were doing it like it would also send a message though like if the person got deleted this app from Burger King would let them know their friendship was quote valued at less than one tenth of a Whopper. Oh. Why?

Just like dunk on them and then Facebook shut the shit down after 10 days. That's. How does that like as a business decision this is just bad. That part is bad marketing. Now these people all hate Burger King. Bad business.

Why not refer people to Burger King and get 10% off your next Whopper as opposed to just tell them they're worth less than one tenth of a Whopper. Hey, fuck these people over. Literally. Oh, my God. And then we'll message them. Na, na, na, na, na. Which is, I'm sure will put you into their hearts in a positive way. And when they did like an analysis of what happened, about 20,000 people took them up like on the deleting the 10 people.

But then in CNET, they were like, yeah, but they also created 200,000 people who are like pissed at like Burger King. Like, what the fuck was that, Burger King? People get into fights with their friends. I mean, yeah. Look, the things we'll do for a free burger. I get it. Things we'll do. All right.

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