The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 240 (Best of 8/22/22-8/26/22)

Episode Date: August 28, 2022

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I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese.

Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have

changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Keri Champion

and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeart Radio apps,

or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadson. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist.

These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah, so without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Hey, speaking of crack videos, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined by one of my favorite actors from those videos. Also, a brilliant and talented producer of the must-watch Some More News with Cody Johnson podcast host of of Even More News, and the dearly departed Worst Year Ever. It is the brilliant, the talented Katie Stoll! Katie! I can speak now!

Yeah! I'm here! Hi, guys. Hey, hey. Hi. Love being here. You always make me feel so good about myself. It's great to have you.

Big fans. And you recently relocated up to the mountains. I sure did. Is that a thing you're sharing with the world? It sure is. I'm not going to share the specifics of the mountains. I mean, it's a big, big mountain range, but I'm not going to tell my specific town. It has been a journey. It's just like I threw a bomb in the middle of my life and it's good, but it's a big adventure. I'm up here. Are you nimble? Are you good with change? I am good with change.

Okay. So then the bomb is highly adaptable. I thought for a while, maybe I didn't, but the last few years have shown me that I am. Right. This is, there's so many reasons why I decided to do it. One of which is that my folks are in the area and they're getting older and I deeply miss them ever since I left for college when I was 18 and so it's kind of like now or never affordability but also I don't want to say emerged from the pandemic because we are still in the pandemic

but I emerged from the lockdown period of the pandemic with a different world. You know, I'm in my late 30s now. And that was like the tail end of the youthfulness. Now everyone's having babies and are married and whatnot. And it's exciting. But, you know, I don't actually see my closest friends that often when I'm in L.A. anyway. Right. You said the town you moved to was like a place you went for vacation growing up? The only place we ever vacationed was up here because I grew up in, you know, this was just the family thing my whole life. And my parents, it was always the dream to retire here. And they made that happen. And in my mind, this was something that, you know, like I would maybe get a spot up here when I'm old, you know, or like

someday keep my parents place and have that be a family spot. But it's just, it's re-imagining what that dream looks like. And I did date someone briefly a while back and that was a big mistake. Up here, up here. Yeah. You were saying it was a old prospector yeah yeah yeah he just was so dusty all the time anyway you said he'd he'd scream at you when you touched his uh divining rod uh-huh yeah and then once he brought up jordan peterson i was like later that's why i'm gonna keep your room clean yeah but uh but what that did show me was that it's not just old people up here or that there are more things to do. There's different spots and there's lots and it's changing.

And so immediately after being up here, I had vaguely tweeted about the mountains and then somebody reached out on Twitter saying, if it happens to be X mountains, let me know. And it was, and she lives in this town and her and her, like, it's just changing.

People are doing what I'm doing. And while it is pretty conservative, it is changing. The Democratic primary went for Bernie here. So, you know, it's been really exciting and challenging. And I don't regret

it. Yeah, that's good. That's good. That's good. Good stimulation. You're kind of living the dream of like, I, you know, my version of that was ocean city, New Jersey. And every time I go there, I'm always like, man, what if I just like moved here? And like, there, there's only like a couple thousand people during the winter there and it's but it's still like i don't know nice and you're close to the ocean and the high

school is good i i hang out at the at my local high schools a lot the kids the teens are so cool in this town for the kids you guys yeah yeah no i well jack there's something to that you know not that everybody should do exactly what i'm doing but i do think that you have to think about we all not you i have to think about what is important and acknowledge that we don't have very much time here and the world is changing rapidly and intensely and so if there is something that you want to do that brings you some peace or if there is something that you want to do that you will say someday, I wish I had explored that. I don't see why not because you can work from home. The challenging thing for me will be that I still want to act.

I've done significantly less of that. But the whole reason I was able to do this is because my good friend milana they put me in a bunch of commercials and you know but but auditions are all online and zoom whatnot and so like if you talk to your i mean i just encourage everybody to to think look at their lives a little differently maybe yeah and just you know we have we always kind of yeah thank you milana thank you for my house. I love you. Shout out Milana Vine Troupe. All praise. But yeah, I think everybody, you know, you have those moments where you think of like, oh, my life will be good if I live this very specific way. Or you grow up thinking like, oh, my life will be this as an adult where this will be my job and I'll like that and I'll live here. But very quickly, like

you learn to kind of distill those things down to like very simple things. And like, sometimes like I don't, maybe I don't need to live in X city or live in or work in X industry. It's really about what my environment is and what my day-to-day life actually is like. Right. Yeah. So it's always interesting to like, to kind of take that on and think like, oh shit, like actually I really kind of just want to sit near a river a lot. Like that might be more exciting to me than to go to bars all the time or some shit where i've had friends do that who suddenly they're like nah i realized i i've i've i've focused my needs it really it was hammered home to me with i mean over and over over the past years, but with Roe v. Wade, that was so devastating. And I was in my place in L.A. and I wanted to get out.

I just needed to go and reconnect with nature or something. And then you have to, it's brutally hot. You have to battle tons of traffic to get anywhere. And it's parking. And I felt claustrophobic first here you have a bad day and i i end up by going and kayaking right oh that's very cool that's different yeah we'll see and then i can always we'll see my life is long if this doesn't work out for me then i can always reevaluate another kayak spot you know yeah ride the wind working

out if you got to ride the wind my god that sounds like a bob seger song doesn't it right yeah brother ride the wind i guess it might be uh well maybe he should have thought of riding the wind instead of going against it maybe it would have been a very different message yeah what is something from your search history? Okay, I was really excited for this question this week because I did a radical history timeline workshop for a community. And it's a workshop that I've done in the past. And I've been looking up, I've been basically going into

the Los Angeles newspaper archives, looking up different words like Hindu and Indian and Haji just to see what's out there. And I discovered that there is a, there was a, like a Syrian circus troupe from the turn of the century, or maybe, maybe it was like 1920s 1930s no i think it was 1900 1895 yeah 1895 there we go i just did the search that you just put in the doc that's what i'm not like independently familiar with it but look at that like picture in there it's like all these like arab circus folks and this was a part of american history we literally had arab circus folks in you know 1908 yeah yeah so it was like starting in the

late 19th century into the early 20th century who is bob kerr right it was probably some guy named bob but they're like we need to name it, make it Arab sounding. So we're going to add it. And then, oh, just in true, like, old timey fashion, Bob Kerr's Arabs. Right? You'll see them. And like, why has no one made a movie about this? Like, I feel like, like, yeah, they're called, if you look at this article, it's called the Jabbour Carnival and the Circus Company. And then they called it like the Oriental Carnival. Likeival like yo this is like a great movie right here yeah oh they actually just made

that movie it's called uh what's that midnight alley but then they just recast it as all white people well what's the uh what's that fuck i'm not uh this joke failed on many levels fuck come on man Nightmare Alley was what I was thinking of anyways that was a movie that came out about the carnival but it stars Bradley Cooper anyways so you just kind of have access to

the newspaper archive does everybody have access to that or is that like a subscription service I think everyone does have access to it i was the archive i was looking up was i think it was uh uc riverside's archive which is accessible and then i was also i have access i was a usc fellow this past year so i have access to usc's library right now oh okay i mean that's pretty cool i'm happy for you. It's cool.

You know, even though I'm a Bruin. But yes, I appreciate that for you. Listen, I'm also a Bruin. I'm just like an LA Bruin. Yeah, yeah. I know. Look, it's interchangeable. Once you get popular, like you are,

you can't stay to one brand. You gotta do both when you're like a local. For sure. All those rich parents spending money to get their kids into the school actually buys some really nice libraries. So that's, we got a lot of books. We got to take advantage of that. Oh, yeah. Oh, and the fences around the campus.

I mean, you could barely hop those shits. The finest. No matter how desperate you might be what is something you think is overrated Neha? I thought about this question a lot because I'm like I feel like no matter what I'm going to say I'm going to get in trouble but I feel like

I've already gotten trolled for this quite enough times the good news is this show does not matter it is a great podcast so you can go nuts okay so I'm'm gonna say something controversial and i'm gonna say something i think is overrated is the movie blade runner wow i've actually heard this a couple times in the not too distant past i feel like there is a a blade runner backlash it's not good i mean you can talk about it being a technical marvel

and like all these things but i'm like if you can talk about it being a technical marvel and like all these things but i'm like if you're talking about like narrative storytelling i'm like it's not there that's not too hot of a take but i like i like it i don't know about this one everybody clear out i think it is for some people i have like a friend who anytime they see someone's talking shit about blade runner like when someone on twitter is like what movie do you think you don't like that's like lauded or something and someone's like blade runner he like sends it to me and he was like i'm upset and i'm like it's not a good movie so also you're like i know you were looking for support but right i know

i was like i said and i'm just like dude they're gonna love this but particularly was i had it i think it was hinge like the dating app that was i can't remember how exactly the question was worded but it was like an unpopular opinion you have or something and i had put like blade runner's not a good film and of course like some guy who has like feminist in his profile like matched with me just to tell me that i was wrong i was like i'm doing this because i'm doing this because i'm a feminist and i want you to avoid the embarrassment of having that take uh so i have to explain to you why you're wrong did you see blade runner 20 whatever 49 yeah no i didn't i saw blade runner i think the final cut like two or three years ago i think i think maybe summer 2019 there's a theater in austin called the paramount and like every year they have like a summer classic film series and so

they played blade runner and i'm like okay it's gonna be the first time i'm gonna watch it it's gonna be in a theater it's gonna be like the like the cut that everyone's like this is the best one and then i was like no i was like this isn't for me so i think that's like always in my mind now yeah the i think my appreciation for the original Blade Runner is hurt by having seen Blade Runner 2049, because I think it is also somewhat boring. Also, a technical marvel and just like all the things that are beautiful about the original Blade Runner are like advanced by Blade Runner 2049 in some ways. Again, I am getting on this island with you and i know it is about to get bombed but i'm i'm okay with that right i agree blade runner is like one of those movies was important and like it brought in a lot of like cool synth vibes into like soundtracks and uh

created a very cool aesthetic but watching it now it is a john belushi situation for me where i'm like i appreciate what he did and we wouldn't have chris farley without john belushi but it doesn't it doesn't work for me now when i watch it find a new angle that that's my that's my general vibe is find a new angle yeah yeah for sure also like can a replicant consent anyway you know it's like that's the other that's a thing i see people argue about all the time like kind of a weird litmus test for people where they're like well you know what is consent if they're like a fake being and i'm like this is so weird that this is a conversation you want to have like up front about the film blade runner but okay also shout out to art house theaters like that

just will show an old ass movie like every once in a while i think that's we have a lot of them in la and like austin it makes sense to that they are there i went to the town i grew up in wheeling west virginia which much smaller and went to the place where i went to see my first movie rocky four in downtown wheeling west virginia and the theater no longer existed but across the street they had turned an old church into like a weird like art house theater and community theater so like they had movie like old classic movies and like you know community theater revivals of of old plays it was it was pretty dope shout out sounds cool do they have like stained glass still like yeah yeah it looked like a straight yeah it was very cool what is something

you think is underrated well this is like loosely related to a tweet that had stuck with me. And it has to do with like the like Discovery HBO Max stuff that's happening. And you know, every day they're just like these shows have disappeared from HBO. And it's like a lot of shows I never got the chance to watch because I program films for a few festivals. So from September to April, that's like all I'm doing is watching films like submissions and stuff and so I'm really behind on TV like I just watched Squid Game like three months ago and I was like there's a show I really like called Starstruck on HBO Max I don't know it's so good it's so funny and it's been picked up for a third season but now I'm like will it still be there because it's a max original and I think the max originals are kind of all in question right now and I feel like it's a show that a lot of people don't talk about or know about and just really funny charming well-written you know you got some South Asians in there which is awesome it's just yeah it's just really fun and I like that it's a kind of a slice of life show because I think I feel like in a lot of movies and TV, like if there's not like an explosion or a car chase, they're just like, it's boring, whatever.

But I was like, no, like this is really fun and it's cute. And I want more people to watch it. So watch Starstruck on HBO Max and pray that it doesn't leave. Yeah, it's also great because the premise is so grounded. You know, it's like, what if this person who works at a movie theater, you know, like then somehow crosses paths with like the biggest action star in the world and other dating and watching like the clash of the two worlds. I love like that first episode where like the paparazzi thinks she's the housekeeper. Oh, the cleaner. I love it.

They're like, oh, it's just the cleaners. It's just the housekeeper cleaner and she's like oh sorry he's like hey no shame in that good honest work isn't it and she just like takes a bag of i'm not gonna attempt to do her new zealand accent but she takes like her bag of trash like around the corner because she's like i guess i kind of had to go with it now it's like embarrassed to be like, no, I'm, you know what? I'm the cleaning lady. There we go. And I'm going to go to my job. And then the, her roommate Kate is so funny too. I love that character.

So funny. Yeah, it's truly. They're so many good characters. It's a, it's such a good show in that sense. And I have a feeling it'll probably be like

one of those HBO Max shows that I know they said like the good one or, you know, the good ones, the ones that will make it one of the big, like full on HBO shows. And I feel like it you know it's it meets that standard for sure I

hope so yeah have you seen it Jack yeah yeah we did a streaming corner oh yeah that's right yeah my favorite scene I got excited I have to give it up to Kate so many times there's that one scene where they go to the premiere and she has like four cocktails in her hands and she goes up to Rose Matafayo's character. And she's like, I told them these are for my boyfriend. Fucking idiots. She's so stoked that she got these free drinks. And I'm like, I love when you capture that like essence of like people being like, yo, dude, I'm in this like new fancy place. And I'm kind of.

Yeah, I'm having. I'm like, you gotta look at for what it's worth. Yeah. Great show. Yeah. new fancy place and i'm kind of yeah i'm having i'm like you gotta look for what it's worth yeah uh great show yeah it's it is you will like it like i feel like no no matter who you are if you listen to the show you enjoy it you you will like that show that's like i feel like what one of the most straight down the middle should be more popular than it is great underrated pick now yeah damn i didn't know you like programmed film festivals and shit i can't believe that guy came at you with a with a blade runner like explanation he probably probably didn't know what he was about to get into maybe yeah i denied one of his submissions i don't want to be like this not but i was like well i

studied film and journalism and i work there but that's like besides the point like you're everyone's entitled to their opinion but yeah i i think the first thing he was like is this about the new one because if it's not then this is a bad take or whatever wow my god again y'all don't get so attached to these fucking things that you think that's an attack on you if someone doesn't fuck with it like for real like step one to becoming an adult is fucking let go of you know getting so turnt up if someone doesn't like some shit that you love derrick what's something you think is underrated harvey guillen from uh what we do in the shadows oh yeah oh yeah yeah that dude like the there were a couple photos

that came out the other day i think he was at an award show and just like super high femme you know very glittery and the bi in me was just like yes i want it and then they even like folded that into the show with like his sexuality right but like he's got great comedic timing i hear really good things about the librarians the show but the show, but I'm not going to watch a show about magicians or librarians. My excitement only goes to a point. I'm not going to watch a show about librarians. Wait, what's that?

Make the Dewey Decimal System dangerous. Wait, he's in a show called The Librarians? Yeah, it was on, I think sci-fi network or you mean the magicians no no no the librarians uh because my partner is keeps urging me to like we gotta watch this afterwards i'm like i will watch a handful of episodes but i'm drawing the line after like five this is wild on his wikipedia page it says harvey guin he had his name is javier but he went by harvey because quote his teachers could not pronounce his first name damn oof that's so

this dude isn't lives in orange county that's the most racist shit ever you you you're really doing that shit in southern california it was a willful mispronunciation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is not right. Man, that show is so funny. I just watched a clip of Matthew Barry saying, you truly are the biggest bastard in New York City. If you haven't seen it, it's just one of the great line deliveries of all time. Amazing. Let's take a quick break, and we will be right back to talk about Dr. Oz.

I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted just like mine. Through powerful in-depth interviews with former members and new chilling firsthand accounts,

the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career,

you have a lot of questions, like how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice.

And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do, like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it, like you miss 100% of the shots you never take?

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where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them. Why is that? I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on.

From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically Black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better.

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Like, you know, fascism is capitalism's response to the failure of capitalism. And like when the market economy makes it clear that a leftward movement is necessary because like just leaving it to the market is not working, capitalist societies will reliably respond with fascism of some sort. Like it really is like, I don't know, sometimes helpful to just think of some sort like it it really is like i don't know sometimes helpful to just think of it as like a body like and like america has a immune system and like all

capitalist countries with like that sort of makeup their their immune system's response is fascism. Like whenever whenever things are going badly, like that's one of the options they throw out is to just have a complete break with reality. And like I bring that idea, that metaphor of like the body politic up mostly because America is so averse to socialism that it feels like America is allergic to socialism, that it's just like, we can't do this. The branding around hating socialism is really quite remarkable when it's such an obvious answer. Everything that people complain about, everything that's wrong. And also, we don't have pure capitalism there

there are experiments all like we already have bits of it you know like like this integrated elements of socialism it's like wait why is it something so fearful you have to be afraid of yeah it's just wild i mean it's it's like created a like a instant reflex in people to hear the word socialism or communism and they immediately think i'm eating dirt right in a hut and i have to give the the government will come for my television and wi-fi and i will give that up so i can pick up a fucking sickle and you know go do yard work or whatever and so there's like always just like it's just dismissed like offhand immediately and then it's just there's like that funny there's like that simpsons episode where like lisa's talking about like everyone's getting all riled

up and she's like what if there was like a like a system where like health care could be provided like yeah that sounds good and like other people someone's like wait is that socialism and someone and she's like, well, it has element. They're like, get the fuck out of here. Even though they were on board with every single thing

up until they hear the fucking word. Right? Which is really wild. Like how that, just like the dots just don't connect or are purposefully made to not connect in most people's minds. And that town that I was talking about,

that like is my version of where you moved, Katie, that's like there was a house that had a yard sign that said socialism has no home here. And I was so tempted to just stop and ask them like, what do you think socialism is? Or just say, what's socialism? Or just go, what's socialism?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, damn, what's socialism? Oh, what's that? Right. Oh, man. What's socialism? Oh, what's that? Right. Oh, man. You don't know. You don't want to know. They'll make you share with the needy.

Well, not directly. It's just that they would probably tax people at a higher rate, which I'm not really part of that scheme. So it would probably create better outcomes for people. I don't know. I mean, yeah. The idea like, oh, I'm going to be paying a lot for nothing you already are buddy right and also you are paying for your trash and your waste to be removed from your home and for water to come to your home and yeah all sorts of things that are basically on a socialist model in a lot of places. Exactly. And yeah.

But also we leave out of the conversation the fact that billionaires and corporations get to skirt and avoid taxes and, you know, exploit people in order to make. There's so much money. There's so much wealth. Right. That is being hoarded. there's so much wealth right that is being hoarded and so like there's a i understand that the logistics are great because nobody's ever actually done it here right like there's a way to do this where you're not feeling this difference you're all you're actually feeling is like oh now i have health insurance right yeah you know and like this whole argument of, well,

I want to go to my doctor. Well, yeah, you, you get to go to any doctor. Yeah. So Brazil is a great illustration of this sort of duality. They have a actual like socialist alternative that is running for president

and Lula, former president and has outsized support after the current authoritarian term of Bolsonaro. And then Bolsonaro, like they basically have the two options, fascism and socialism on the ticket. And socialism is has the vast majority of the support, according to opinion polls, which we've learned not to trust in this country but at least it seems like bolsonaro and the people who have access to the levers of power are concerned about about the results of the opinion polls because he has been basically claiming that the the upcoming election on october 2nd is going to be fraudulent it's like even though there's never been a problem with fraud in the history of brazilian elections and in fact brazil

is one of the only like massive countries that reports the results of their voting the same day like they they have it like that locked down he's like nah it's it's too susceptible it's too susceptible to being rigged and he's like picked out this very you know a hypothetical tech scenario that people are like well i mean that could happen but like it's you know there's like a point zero zero zero one percent chance and like now like we we can guard against that and we would know if it happened he's like nah that's we can't hold this election because because the voting machines it's really like he's just reading from the trump playbook in a way that's how he got an office yeah it's very very

straightforward i mean not that that's why but that that gave people like oh yeah that kind of works okay this is this is a wave right but totally it's kind of one of those things too because like you know they've they've before the like workers party was in power in brazil and for a while like talk saying shit that was even like remotely close to like privatizing a public service people would have lost their fucking shit over that idea but it's just funny how like an economic crisis and a few other things compound and like immediately kind of people like oh wait actually no let's try this other thing now and it's always interesting how these sort of like a crisis a corruption scandal can all kind of come together

and people suddenly associate one with the other and boom now you have like the table set for some other goon to come in and offer something quote-unquote different well the past few years have been seismic in showing people all the cracks and how desperately important all of these, everything that comes along with a socialist candidate is to their present and to their future. And it does, I know you can't really pay too much attention to opinion polls, but it does feel good to see that when there is a socialist candidate on the fucking ticket, that the support is there. And I think that's really encouraging in general. But it's as encouraging as it is scary to see the two sizes coming up against each other like this, because, I mean mean we absolutely have offered a playbook and the fact

that it got as far as it did here in america when we're supposed to have all these checks and balances protecting against it makes me terrified for other places that don't you know that are much more easily manipulated and easily to i mean that was our first coup you know and like other places have have more history with it so it's it's definitely scary yeah not just in brazil but everywhere yeah i mean it like just the idea like as as we've laid it out like they have a right-wing kind of militaristic dictatorial person in power. Then there is a socialist alternative that is like charging towards power that in my mind, you know, having paid attention to history for the past like 50 years. That reads to me as like, oh, this is going to this is going to go bad.

That reads to me as like, oh, this is going to go bad. But the way the New York Times is writing about it, they're like, Brazil's last coup in 1964 led to a brutal 21-year military dictatorship. The middle class supported it. Business people supported it. The press supported it. And the U.S. supported it. Get rid of every other group they mentioned before that. Well, none of these players support a coup now.

And I'm like, is that true? Right. Because like it has the CIA and the US and like all the, you know, international, multinational corporations, like have they so thrown out that like sort of dominoes ideal of like, well, if if Brazil falls, then we're next and we need to like make sure that doesn't happen. I don't know. There's just like something about this that like doesn't feel like we're taking the possibility of a coup, of an assassination, of the socialist leadership seriously enough. of the socialist leadership seriously enough. Well, I mean, there's definitely, there's been terrible right wing violence though, against a lot of the leftists there.

That's, I mean, that's, that's, that's happening now. Right. They're definitely in that phase where there's, there is already terrible,

like partisan violence. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I, that doesn't seem like a very accurate. I'm agreeing with what you're saying, especially you look around the world. I mean, Russia. OK, there's just people are doing it, are doing the thing.

These leaders are doing the things that you think. Yeah, but it would be bad if they actually did it. But they're doing it. They don't care. They're going to push it and get away with it. You know, or what's going to happen in China with Taiwan. You know, it's. and they're just waiting for the fence to be off and they're going to just walk right through like that's there's that's you can tell i mean just like it right now like even in the u.s with all the these secretaries of state are the people who are going to oversee like elections and things like that there are we're already seeing people who come in who are embracing like this like dumb election fraud bullshit right so they're starting like from that one touch of the fence they're like oh okay so the next one we got to make sure there's stooges in these positions right right so they're starting like from that one touch of the fence they're like oh okay so the next one we got to make sure there's stooges in these positions too right so the next time we

touch the fence it is not on and yeah it bit by bit there it is eroding and like some people i mean many people are sort of sounding the alarm but i think most people are kind of unaware of like how cynical their moves are especially for for something like, you know, when it comes to maintaining power in the sense of like, yeah, fuck it. We can. There's a way to do it. If you just get these people to agree, then the fucking rules don't matter. Well, also, you can just say whatever the fuck you want and make it true. You know, Donald Trump has Mara, his beautiful home rated, his beautiful, beautiful home is rated. And he says, you know, I didn't do anything wrong,

but also Obama still 30,000 documents and I declassified my documents. Which one is it, buddy? It doesn't matter. He just threw verbal vomit out there. And now pick your pick your poison of an excuse that you can have if you're talking about this, you know, and it doesn't matter whether or not that's true. And there is so much going on all at once that it's all people can do to pay their bills to, you know, make sure that their kids get to school and they're not shocked. Like it's chaos. And so you don't have room for most people's daily lives. They don't have room to separate the truth from the fiction. Yeah.

To that point of like, you can say whatever you want, a fifth of the country has now lost faith in the election systems, even though there is no problem with the election systems. A fifth of Brazilian voters, like just based on what would seem to be a very straightforward, he starts hearing that he's going to lose the next election and suddenly is worried about fraud. Like that seems like a fairly straightforward thing, but suddenly a fifth of the country has lost faith in the election system. Another thing that they brought up as being- But I mean, that fifth could just be his hardcore

supporters. Yeah, it could be, for sure. Because they're like, yeah, that's right, that's bullshit. So then when you're polled, you're like, I'm in the column of agreeing with Bolsonaro. The other thing that they point to in that realm is that they're like, and there's, he really

loosened, like, gun restrictions. So now, like, there are so many Brazilians who are armed. 600,000. Over 600,000. Could you imagine that many people with guns? In the U.S., it is 72 million. Not to say it's not a danger in Brazil. I'm just saying I feel like sometimes we don't realize how dangerous yeah yeah so wild how many guns like even if you were to ban them tomorrow there

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that's what I was going to ask you. It is still with me, Jack, but it is disintegrating. Unfortunately, there's like those weird streaks coming in from the corners. So it's haunted. Let's just admit,

your phone is haunted and trying to leave this plane of existence. So Trisha is bringing, you're bringing us a story about how we can use technology for some of the things that Khun Nei talks about in his show and also just to add to the conversation we were just having. Yeah. Thank you for having me. And I'm just so happy to be here and be talking about language with you, Rene. I was listening to your podcast the past couple of weeks, and it is incredible. And just like Miles said, definitely got a little teary eyed. talking with your kids. And they know, I mean, obviously, they're pretty young, but they know that their language is something that's important to them, something that's been disappearing and been taken away and been kind of stolen and erased. And I also, I mean, I didn't speak English until

I was five. I spoke Bangla. But I've completely forgotten so much of it. I don't know how to read or write. So now it's like I'm in my 20s and I'm trying to relearn and reteach myself all these things, which is so much more difficult than just knowing it in the first place. Yeah, well, you know, we talk about this kind of stuff too, because I think if children grow up with a language, like they learn it really fast and then they sort of start to

level off. And if adults start learning, they learn pretty slow typically, and then sort of take off. And so we, one is as we're sort of building these environments where kids can be raised in the language, like right after this, I'm going to our language nest to go work with kids. And so it's funny because sometimes we're working with the kids and kids can just be a handful sometimes. They'll say, these kids are going to kill this language because they're so tough to do.

But I'm just kidding. I love, they're so fun. They're so funny. And, you know, like my kids, they make jokes all the time. Like if you spoke Tlingit, like you'd catch my middle daughter. I was like, I said,

and Tlingit, what do you know about Tlingit? And she says, but, you know, so of course she says that, right? Yeah. Oh, man. Resonates with me with having a four-year-old and a six-year-old. We got all the fart jokes,

all the other things, right? And they're really fun. But the other thing is like, we do have adults who have a tremendous amount of trauma. And I think people who sometimes come here to the United States can relate to this. Like sometimes your parents will stop speaking to you to protect you just so that you don't have an accent and people don't, you know, people are just mean. And also they'll put you in ESL classes.

I have a friend who's, he's Korean and they just, they put him in ESL because he's Korean. Like he spoke English just fine. And so there's these, you know, stigmas that are out there. But, and for Native Americans, like when, when folks went to boarding school, they were tortured. They, they put chemicals in kids' mouths. They, they had them put their tongues on the frozen flagpoles. Like they're picking them up by their

hair, doing such horrible stuff that a lot of folks, as they became parents, they said, well, I got to make sure that doesn't happen to my kid. And then as you grow up, you're denied this stuff that is actually essential for your survival. So sometimes coming back to the language, it's not just the difficulty of learning a language, but it's all this other stuff too, as you have to heal and reconnect, which is wonderful, but sometimes you got to overcome a lot of pain to do that. And Trisha, you were looking into the double-edged sword that is technology when it comes to this sort of stuff, right? Yeah, exactly. So as I was talking about, I'm relearning Bangla, which is my native language.

And one thing that I've been doing recently to help me is that I downloaded the keyboard with the Bengali alphabet. And that just got me thinking about how I think the fact that so many people around the world have access to technology and the internet now, it's easy to think in English or to think in Spanish or Mandarin when these are these really big languages that a lot of people can use to communicate. I imagine if you're in a community without a ton of access to the outside world constantly, it would be much easier to just continue speaking your native language. But just like we've talked about previously in the show, technology has a lot of negative effects. You know, we've talked about mental health, we've talked about misinformation,

but I was kind of just thinking, how can technology be used to preserve languages and revitalize languages? And yeah, I was curious before I start kind of talking about my own research, Hene, what are your thoughts about technology? Yeah, I think it can lend itself in so many different ways. Like we connect through Zoom. We use Zoom in a lot of our classes and we have been, even before the pandemic, like we're using that because we have over 60 sounds in the Slinget language. And if you need to hear the difference between and, you know, like we have so many different sounds

that all sound the same, but they are distinctively different sounds. And you might be saying, you know, butthole instead of saying something else, right? Or feather and fart. A feather is like downy feathers. And a fart is, and like, that's such a, those are so close together, right? And so we... Intentionally? Do you think they're intentionally close together because farts are somewhat soft and feathery? Well, they can kind of float out there and come down to the surface. And so I kind of became obsessed with finding really high fidelity so people can hear because we tried to teach through the telephone.

And it was very difficult because some people couldn't even hear the end of a word. And then when sometimes things would come out through educational technologies, it'd sound like you're listening to some bootleg downloaded MP3, you know, just the way it's compressing the audio. And so we found that Zoom, you could get into the options and have it uncompressed audio and that really helped and then even going back we've had languages recorded you know the earliest recordings we have are probably the late 1800s early 1900s and those are on wax cylinders and

we had ones recorded on wires then reel to reel and so we have a lot of documentation of our language thanks to technology. And now the technology is in these learning apps. There's a group that we work with and I'm on the board called 7,000 Languages that they fundraise and they say, if we raise enough money, we'll come in and develop a learning app for free. We're trying not to charge anybody but then sometimes if those technologies exist people be like well we almost died but then we got rosetta stone so but then but then people don't do the work to learn the language and to use it and so you have to it has to be the human beings changing their lives creating that room but i think technology

can be as long as it's just a tool in the box and it's not the car that, it's not the self-driving car that takes you there. Right. Yeah. So I was actually reading about something that sounds quite similar to what you're talking about. It's a website called First Voices. Have you heard of it, Rene? Yeah, it's great. Okay. Yeah. So I was just going through and I thought it was so awesome. You can select a language and see different words, phrases, songs, stories, and the alphabet with pretty high fidelity recordings. And it's also so

interesting that low quality recordings can just take away so much from a language. That's something that I didn't really think about. And actually, one interesting thing that I noticed on that website was, because I imagine in many realms, technology can be exploited. And as much as we want to preserve indigenous languages, we don't want them to be exploited. So I thought it was this really cool feature where each tribe's archive has an administrator who can make certain recordings private so that only members of that community can access them. So they do this for things like prayers or sacred songs so that only the people who are supposed to listen to them can, but they're still preserved and documented. And so,

yeah, I was wondering, like, what do you think in terms of privacy or technology being used? You know, can it harm Indigenous or Native communities if we don't know enough about their actual priorities and interests? Well, I think I'm always nervous about being exploited because it just tends it just tends to happen right and so this raven shirt that was on the hulk like there'll probably be 50 copies of it made by you know non-indigenous peoples yeah tomorrow right and and so that that tends to happen but and we have these conversations too because there's these databases one i think it's called Markutu, I might have said that wrong, but where basically you can set access levels. So if you're of the clan, you can have access to a whole bunch more information. And we have conversations like that

as well, where before not everything was for everybody, but then you also have a language that's really close or got close to death. And as we try to sort of push the language everywhere, sometimes we have to have conversations about, well, maybe it is for everybody now, but you just, you don't translate it because you've got full encryption. Like Tlingit is fully encrypted. And so we had code talkers who were in World War II

and people couldn't, of course you couldn't understand what they're saying, right? And so, but I think as we sort of look at those things to just store information, make it accessible. For me, I always want to say, like, what's going to get people to it? Southeast to say, can't we just make these classes a free option? Like if you want to learn your indigenous language, why do you got to pay the state of Alaska? Why do you got to pay tuition? And so we started supplementing that with lots of scholarships for indigenous peoples. And then we just said, if you don't want the college credit, you could just join us. It's free. You could just check it out and just try and create these safe spaces for learning, these safe spaces for learning

these safe spaces for using so i i think it can be good and then you can have maybe information that's pretty sensitive because if we just told you in english like where one of our medicine people were buried some would go and dig them up and steal all their stuff that's just what happens to us like i was in this training and this is bananas. So as in this training called the Native American Graves and Protection Act, and this guy said, there's about 2 million Native Americans today.

This is 20 years ago. And there are more Native American human remains in colleges and universities and museums than there are walking the earth today. And I said, can you repeat that? Because I don't think it's not registering in my brain. And so he did. And so for me, like everything that you could conceive of has been taken from us. And so I think what's important is technology and money and then totally reforming education. And I think the reform that I could imagine is like, if you live in Alaska and you want to graduate high school, you got to take one semester of an Alaska native language. You just have to do it.

Right. And so for me, I think the technology can certainly help. right and so for for me i think i think the technology can certainly help i think sometimes we'll chase the technology and it'll sunset and then we'll lose like we had a bunch of stuff that was in flash and we can't do anything with with you know you can watch it now but you can't really do anything with it like as far as an interactive platform anymore right yeah like i i think when i Right. Yeah. don't have any of like we don't have like their records basically and like the degree to which that's not true and that there's an entire galaxy of like unstudied philosophy and literature from the history of indigenous tribes that like goes untouched or unexplored just because, like to your point earlier about the languages not being used, but being usable and translatable, that feels like it should be the growth area of the future

of academia. There is a whole world that gave us many of the best ideas of the past 500 years. Like many of the ideas that like America today is like, we came up with this, this is America's like grand tradition. And we came up with democracy and like all these, all the different, like the, the way that the checks and balances work and

the contradictions of american government is like no that shit you stole that from indigenous and native tribal societies and then like just tried to bury them and tried to bury that reality and like the fact that it just sits there and is unstudied is like it. I guess I don't know how academia like reconciles that other than to just ignore the fuck out of it. Yeah. Yeah. I got I got a friend named Mike Navarro and we both work at the university and I always call him Dave Navarro in meetings, which is so bad. I'm like, oh, damn it. No, I can't borrow. But he and I are writing a paper about this, saying like, okay, it's not too late for science to decolonize itself.

Because sciences and mathematics in America are super colonial by just excluding people. And so you've got centuries where they could have been learning so much. Like we've been fishing and cutting fish right here since there were mammoths walking around. Like we were walking around with them, speaking our same language, doing our same stuff, you know? And so with that unbroken chain of knowledge, like that could be coming into science in ways that doesn't threaten it. Like, so I had a Dean who was not a good person to work with. And he said, indigenous ecological knowledge is a threat to natural sciences. And I said, what the hell are you talking about? Like, this is all additive stuff. It's not a one thing or the other, and it's not ecological knowledge. It's just

indigenous science. Like we have science too. We have knowledge. We have all this stuff. It's not a one thing or the other. And it's not ecological knowledge. It's just indigenous science. Like we have science too. We have knowledge. We have all this stuff. But I think it freaks them out because we'll say, oh yeah, well, this guy got turned into a salmon and he was a salmon for a year and he came back and that's how we know this stuff. That's just not acceptable for them. Yeah. Underscores that mindset too. It's like, no, this is the one true thing. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe you've been looking at it for a long time either. But I feel threatened. It upends the idea that we know everything. Right. And we're rightfully where we are because of that and not because we're stealing ideas and then absconding with them back to Europe and be like, I thought of something interesting when I was in the world, actually. Let me write this down.

Yeah, I was kind of curious because there's a lot of linguistic theories out there. One of them is that the language you speak determines how you see the world. And I was wondering, Hone, can you tell us about some of the ways that speaking Tengit changes how you perhaps see the world? get changes how you perhaps see the world? Yeah, that's a really interesting question. When I was studying in Hawaii and I was learning Hawaiian and I was speaking with a guy who's Chamorro from Guam, his name is Tene Pongi, and this friend of mine, Deho, who's Mohawk. And I just asked him, I said, when you speak your own language, when you speak a different language, are you a different person? And we all had to think about that for a while. And most people said, well, I'm the same person, but I think differently. And so I noticed as I started to learn more and more Tlingit, like if I get really mad at a friend of mine, I would speak to them in Tlingit first, even if they didn't understand it. Then I would say, I need to ground myself in my language for a second before I talk to you about

why I'm mad that we got in a fight while we're playing basketball or just like weird things, you know, but then when you can talk to these elders and for some of them, they're kind of on their deathbed and we're sending videos back and forth to each other through their family members. And like, just this idea, like we can share stuff that is, it might be impossible to actually translate the impact of this stuff. And then we can sort of, there's a whole bunch of concepts, like just concept after concept that I think doesn't always translate because we're not just saying the same thing in a different language. base with these different realities and these different things. And then I had an uncle who was, his name was Paul Jackson. And his name certainly sounds like big rabbit, but he'd get mad if I said, is that big rabbit? He'd get real mad. He's like, it's not big rabbit. And it sounds like, but he was a wonderful teacher, but he would get mad if I wrote stuff

down. Because I would write down everything I hear. I just carry these notebooks and I would just go to the elders and talk to them and just write down everything and try and put these pieces together because I felt an urgency to learn as much as I can so I can teach it to people. And he said, stop writing it down. Your brain's going to get weak. And then there was an elder who was Koyakon, which is a nation that's north of us. And she said, you know, people used, her name was Catherine Atlet. She said, people said that we were inferior because we didn't write things down, but I could tell you a story that takes 10 days to tell. And you would have

to read that story because you can't remember that amount of information anymore. And so it was also sort of challenging those types of things. And so I think, yes, because as you learn Tlingit, it also, it just unlocks some stuff on the land. If a language has been in one place for over 15,000 years, it is embedded in the landscape. 15,000 years. It is embedded in the landscape. We had a bear that chased us off a couple of years ago while we were smoking fish. There were three of us there and we were all working on the fish. We got chased in this little garage. I decided to stay and work on the fish and just watch it and honk the horn. I was in a van. I'm not going one-on-one with no bear that's right that's a loose situation but yeah i'd beep the horn and it would take off and then um this buddy of mine his name was wayne price he's an amazing carver and he said well uncle smitty

say if you speak clink it to the bears they will leave you alone and i said of course i knew that but the bear scared me and i forgot silly Silly. So then not even 10 minutes later, I'm outside, you know, getting the smoke going again in the smokehouse. And that bear comes walking up. And I just said to it, So he said, this isn't yours. You know where your food is. It's in the river. Maybe go to the river.

You know, sorry, but this is for us. And the way it looked at me and left, I knew it was never coming back. And it didn't. Right? And so we have connections to things, and people can be part of those connections. Like, you don't have to be a colonizing force. You have agency, you have decisions, but you also have to push back on these ideas that if we do it,

something bad's going to happen. Like I used to argue with these politicians. And so we had this wonderful, wonderful person named Elizabeth Perachovich. Her thing, her name was Kachkash Ag. She was a pivotal member of an amazing team of folks who got an anti-discrimination bill passed in like 1947. And so these have signs up that said like, no Indians allowed and no Indians and dogs allowed.

Like you could just put that up at your businesses or whatever. And so the reason they passed this law is that you couldn't put those signs up. And this one like Senator who has a street named after him, he said, he said, who are you to think you can come mingle with us

with 5,000 years of recorded civilization? And then they also said things like, if you put people together, you're just going to have more racial division and more fighting, basically. And then flash forward, like 70 years later, we're trying to get native languages made as the co-official languages of Alaska, which we did. One of the big arguments that this guy said he said if you try and make the language is equal you're just going to have more racial division and fighting and i said 70 years you can't even think of a new argument other than that wow foolishness so yeah shows just yeah how

how abstract a problem uh racism tries to solve by just being like i don't know man because if there's more equality it's going to be bad look i'm this is already a bad faith argument i'm trying to make so don't expect me to have something better than that shit right like where it's like i don't know if people know each other and get along they're gonna like fight more makes sense it's one step away from i'm the one who's going to be oppressed right right no no no no no no check the books check the receipts you're doing all right but i think this again i really want to urge listeners to check this show out because it like i said i couldn't believe how touched i was by being completely ignorant about the topic, but also realizing how any person

who's had to move, who's gone from one culture to another, has immigrated, whatever, that it's so easy to connect to. And also realizing, yeah, to your point of like, man, how it is an active process to be like, okay, how can I sort of reverse this cycle of colonization? And it doesn't have to be this like monumental act. It can be actually very, like very subtle things that you're sort of pinning together and you're, you're, you're, you're doing something much better. Um, so it's, it was a, yeah, man, I, I, I gotta say congrats on the show. Yeah, absolutely. And thank you so much for joining us. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like, and review the show. If you like the show, uh, means the world to miles. He,

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