The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 241 (Best of 8/29/22-9/2/22)

Episode Date: September 4, 2022

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vultures number one podcaster 2021 act cast ghost church it's jamie fucking lofty Lofty! Jamie Lofty! Jamie, come back. Jack and Miles will stop feuding. Jamie, come back. We can make up over Zambonis. Guys, I'm so glad we assembled the score.

I'm so glad. That was such a fun tweet. Somebody was like, God, you guys are too good for jamie and lacy now i'm always like it was funny that happens i'm like do you know that they're massively successful and have actually gone have gone past what the show is that's kind of what's happened me and lacy immediately had to be like what are you talking about but the person just acted as if and in classic in classic twitter behavior pretended we had not said anything did not respond to us and was like i don't know

something seems fishy here we responded to you i love i don't know another season of i carly i don't know more activity for jamie's career i guess how can they fit daily zeitgeist into that? Look, I love the conspiracy theories. Keep them coming. We all like each other. We're boring. It's hard because it's so boring. We were pissed, Jamie. This is the time we're going to tell you and you guys

can go back and listen to the last three episodes Jamie was on to figure out what she said that really teed us off. Jack sent out an email that was like, we're not saying never again, but not for a while. Okay? Not for a while.

But got my Lorne Michaels on. What's new, big money player? It's great to see you. It's great to see you too. I was saying before we started recording i got like that old daily zeitgeist feeling i got butterflies in my stomach i'm ready to go i was like what is overrated what is underrated my search history is a disaster remember that

beginning of the pandemic and it was just the three of us it was just the three of us for like trying to fucking make sense of it all that was such a i still think back at that and i'm like god what what early doors it was for that like global disaster and we're like i think funny but also really scared for earth it was like the first two months where we're just like um so yeah like is this funny yet and the answer was no but like oh man Rudy Giuliani told us that we were allowed to be

funny again oh my god and I was so relieved because he was being funny all the time the guy can't turn it off yeah and that's I think the biggest problem I have with him is too much too funny all the time he's doing bits what is something from your search history oh yeah so so i this

was prompted recently by seeing that uh eminem and snoop dogg did a concert with their bored ape avatars yeah and it kind of looked like it was from like a like a Super Nintendo, basically rapping on stage. So I ended up getting into this weird Internet deep dive about all that kind of stuff. And I ended up learning a lot about MC Scat Cat. Yeah. Who is one of my favorite artists. The rapping cat who duets with Paula Abdul in the Opposites Attract video. Yeah.

He's kind of like the original, he's the original Bored Ape, basically. Yeah. But the greatest thing I learned about it is that the guy had the idea, and he wasn't an animator or anything, and he also wasn't really a rapper. So he had to hire professional animators and people to do the rapping but while he was trying to get the idea off the ground he would perform

at shows in LA in just a full cat costume so he was like a real life and I was just thinking I would pay like hundreds of dollars to see him do like some demos you know one side of opposites attract just did a stag like hot cat costume and and clearly doing this in successful pitch meetings with executives who were like yeah

we just got to animate this and this is gonna be huge i mean, and it was. It wasn't my wedding song, but I made a strong pitch for it to be my wedding song and to rap the MC Scat Cat parts. My wife wasn't feeling it, but my wife wasn't feeling it. But it is a seminal moment. I did not realize that MC Scat Cat was like an artist in his own right.

I thought it was just like something that was invented for the Paul Abdul video. Yeah, I think she might have come to Scat Cat, actually. I mean, that sounds like a record company kind of thing where they maybe someone did too much cocaine and accidentally signed this guy. And they were like, we have to do something with we've spent so much money on this animation what are we gonna do it still seems like it's a better idea than most nfts though like oh yeah at least the at least mc scat cat does something tangible you know right and yeah the his album the adventures of mc scat cat and the stray mob from 1991 at least that's a tangible item you could purchase. Yeah, you could hold that in your hand and it wouldn't disappear

because someone changed the line of code. I feel like this one, I feel like an actual sealed copy of the Adventures of MC Scat Cat and the Stray Mob are probably worth more than the fucking NFTs that Snoop and Eminem embarrassed themselves with up there on stage. I think you're probably right.

I also learned that he was in one of the... I mean, I think I'm a little bit older than you guys, and there's a lot of early 90s all-star rap compilations, I remember. And he's in a very, very weird one about recycling. Yes. And it's called Yakety yak take it back and i remember having to watch that in a school class once and they were like this is it's gonna make everybody

recycle mc scat cat doing a version of yakety yak that's what the kids like that's so like specific to a very to to a time period, like plan. Yeah. Apparently he tried to get in the, um, anti-gang violence one, which is called,

we're all in the same gang, uh, that has a lot of West coast rappers. And I remember thinking like, I really liked that song. And I was like, I'm, I'm going to help this problem.

These, I'm going to help these Crips and Bloods. Right. Start to get along. Yeah. yeah the magic and the young mc is rapping yeah by buying a single a single yeah oh my can you imagine it's like if mc scat cat really was being like i really i'm trying to bring the fucking gangs together to stop the violence and he's like i never wear red or blue. I'm not taking a side. I'm not doing that.

MC Skatcat just wants peace in these streets. I'm tying the flags together in unity. And they're like, what the fuck is this animated cat doing here? Feels like something from a French satire about American culture. Like a cartoon cat rapper comes through and is like a sensation and everybody loves it. You know, like Europeans being like, Americans are so fucking dumb. Fucking idiots over there. comes through and is like a sensation and everybody loves it you know like europeans being like americans are so fucking dumb idiots over there who's he performing with well an old nba cheerleader she's she's the biggest pop act in america right now i mean great great artist if

you if you ask me i did love paul abdul seminal to my development as a man and a great, you know, dance designer is not the word. But you know what I mean? The person who designs the dances, choreographer. Really, really. I didn't realize the whole that there were a couple of characters like you saw the stray cat gang or whatever the fucking crew was in the Paul Abdul video. But I didn't. They're like Wu Tang. There's a lot of members.

the fucking crew was in the Paula Abdul video, but I didn't know. They're like Wu-Tang. There's a lot of members. There's MC Scat Cat, Fats, Taboo, Maestro, Leo, Cat Lean, and Silk. And Diamond. Diamond and Silk. Diamond and Silk. They became right-wing pundits

later. People don't realize they started off. They're mostly rapping about Hunter Biden. They were part of the Stray Mob. Was the Stray Mob all cats? I mean, Maestro, you'd hope Maestro, I don't realize they're mostly rapping about hunter they were part of the stray mob yeah was the stray mob all cats i mean maestro you'd hope maestro i don't know i haven't seen i haven't seen a full image of the stray mob yeah but you'd think maestro would be a mice yeah okay i actually didn't know how they were spelling it, but yeah. Yeah, you would think, right? Yeah. Damn. And that does prove that any gang can get along if cats and mice can get along. Oh, that's a good point.

Yeah. That's true. That's a good gang. Wow. Oh, yeah. Maestro. Maestro is a straight up fucking little rat. Hey. Oh, whoa.

Yeah. That's fun. Okay. Okay. Yeah. That would have been so much cooler than than like, I got real into that. So I like started with MC Hammer around the time of Opposites Attract. And then like I real into, you know, Wu-Tang Clan and like all that sort of rap.

If I had just like gotten really deep into the mythology around the Stray Crew and like just had posters of each of their solo albums on my wall when I was in high school. You're like, oh, you don't have the Japanese single? Right. That was a much more interesting path for my life to have gone. Did you know that Roman Emalko wrote the MC Scat Cat

verse on all the sets of tracks? No. I've got to start somewhere. That's his big break. Yeah. Yeah. This is a big break. Yeah. All right. What is, what's something you guys think

is overrated? I, Carolina looks stumped, so let me jump in. No, no. I have one. I think, I think data privacy

is, is overrated. I completely agree with Devin, but I have my own because this is just like carolina carolina will famously go to a restaurant wait for me to order and then order the exact same thing and but and not even comment on it just as if she also wanted that right wow like not say i'll have the same but like order it like you haven't just ordered it she's just coming up with it it may have happened once and the only

reason devon's mad is because she likes to eat everything and doesn't want us to get the same meal so she can have a bite of whatever i'm having okay this is some early 2000s era insults um devon's just actually likes to eat everything oh that's not what i meant i once took devon out to dinner with will ferrell and she whispered to me before dinner started that she was nervous because we were eating tapas style and she was like, I can't share. So I had to announce at the table as if I were her mother, like, by the way, Devin's going to get her own plate

and she's going to eat it by herself. And Devin just nodded silently. And you're not allowed to look at her while she does so. Exactly. And also tapas are overrated no offense to anyone wow but i think i think data privacy is overrated because think back to the days when you had to go to a store and human beings would come up to you disgusting human obnoxious human beings would come up to you disgusting human obnoxious human beings would come up to you and say like why don't you try this like what do you think of that like try this on

this would look good what are you looking for what are you shopping for today that is hell and what our lack of data privacy has done has made it possible the the internet boom when we didn't know that we were losing all our rights to privacy made it possible for us to skip that step everything we want just gets shown to us right like the wedding singer when i don't know what to watch on a saturday afternoon and now people all just want to be like i want they're gonna take your alexa's listening to you first of all are you doing anything that anyone would even care about? If not, then you're just getting more convenience. And what's the problem?

I like this. Like, you sound like an ethicist who works at Amazon. It's like, what's the fucking deal? You get this, but so what? We've mapped the interior of your home with a fucking Roomba. And we know to sell you better. Right. I like that version. Like, pushing you around. Like, oh, you care about data privacy now? Oh, okay. with a fucking Roomba. Yes. Made your life better. Right. Yeah.

I like that version, like pushing you around like, oh, you care about data privacy now? Oh, okay. So you're going to shop in the store? I don't think so. Shut the fuck up. That's exactly how I feel. Say that about when,

you know how people cover their cameras on top of, with like piece of tape, they'll cover their cameras, cover their whatever microphone. I am always like, hey, I've never heard of that.

If someone, and literally Mark Zuckerberg does it like you, there's been a picture of him. Oh, so people, so a lot of normal people. Okay. Sounds good. I use that example because it's so common that it's so well known that they're insecure that even people who are super high tech do it.

Yeah. And also he has billions of dollars, so he has a reason to worry about being hacked to blackmail. He does seem to actually watch his cookies. I accept all cookies because... Can I actually get more cookies?

Do you guys have an option for extra cookies? You could put a gun to my head and say what are cookies? And I would say just shoot me. Just end it, please. Just end it. Just get it over with. Also a very interesting gunman who's like, what are cookies? I know.

What situation is this? I don't know. I don't know. Joke's on me, isn't it? I also am like, if the NSA wants to watch me watch Southern Charm on my computer while I'm spilling peanut butter on my chest and then eating it off my shirt. That's on them. That's their problem. I don't need I'm not worried about it. Watch me do whatever. What I think is overrated is any kind of food that you have to wait in line for. So once in a while,

you'll be driving through restaurants anywhere and you'll see a line outside of a restaurant or a food truck. And your thought is that must be really good. My immediate thought is what suckers? Because you can walk down the street and you're waiting in line and thus your experience already sucks

for whatever you're doing. So Stumptown Coffee in New York 10 years ago, because you know, like I'm a wise old lady 1010. Yeah, 1012 years ago in New York, this was considered like, incredible rare coffee, people would wait down the street from the Ace Hotel. And I was like, I'm not going to wait in line for coffee what is that this my time matters I'm not going to wait in line for I remember my friends once made me wait in line for um what's the burger place that's everywhere now Devin smash burger Shake Shack what's your problem Shake Shack Shake Shack I remember when there was a line

through Union Square and i waited on it for hours i remember that too and it's now it's ridiculous so there's no such food that that is that good that i will wait for it when the croissant donuts that were in new york that was a line people would wake up at like 5 a.m to get them i enjoy good things i like food i'm not gonna wait in line for anything. Right. For you, it sounds for both of you sounds like immediate gratification is definitely like number one. Sure.

Do not delay. And yes, I don't fuck with delays, even if they cost me my fucking privacy data privacy. I actually think about it a lot when I'm getting lifts because, you know, a faster car sometimes costs more money. And I think i have to think about it like okay would i rather wait 20 minutes or would i rather pay ten dollars more and be out of here right now just get away from this awkward conversation at this yeah i get away from my plastic surgeon's office so yeah yeah all right what is, what's something you think is overrated? So, this is going to be in line

with my trip to Europe because I'm never going to shut up about it. Love that. Love that for you. Love that for us. I went last year to Europe. I went with my boss

and he paid for everything, which is a nice way to go. That's amazing. And this time I'm... You hear that, Jack? And this time I'm, uh, you hear that Jack? And this time I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm paying mostly by myself and because my boss is also homosexual. A lot of people were like, Oh, your boss is taking a year out and he's paying for it. You must be having sex with your boss. And I'm not, I think he respects me for my mind. I hope

there you go. And I'm a good time, I've been realizing and paying for this trip on my own that uh if someone wanted to take me to Europe for free and the stipulation was I had to have sex with them I would do it and I think based on the amount that you're spending I think the what is overrated is shaming people for having sex for goods and services like tickets to europe you know what i mean like i feel like that is an overrated thing too many people are are shameful or are direct shame at those who barter with their body yeah and uh i think we need to uh cut that shit out something everybody has done since the beginning of time but it's just you're not allowed to do it out loud. Seriously. Right. Yeah.

I think when it gets weird is when the person who is offering the free stuff begins to take that relationship dynamic to a place. You're like, well, I now control you. It's like, no, no, no, no. We're bartering, actually. Yeah, 100%. You can have, like, we'll make a little, it's like, you know,

how nice of a dinner are we gonna have you know, right? I'm just saying I want to be a prostitute and I think that we should not be shaming people for it So where did you go? Where'd you go with your boss? We went to Paris and then? Corsica he's a he's a we I kind of Help him develop ideas and he had an idea that was was set in corsica and it might have been an excuse to go to just go to corsica he's also kind of learning french so he wanted to go and um it was it was right before delta hit uh the delta variant so we're talking you know i mean several variants ago yeah and it was right when the eu had opened back up and so and he normally

travels with various people but none of them wanted to go so he was just like do you just want to go and i was like well i can't afford to go at your level and he was like yeah yeah and i was like okay just show up show up to the airport okay so it's very nice and we have you know we have and we have a very a very professional and fun relationship and it was great and let me tell you my first time going to paris and was my boss the ideal person to go to the most romantic city and beautiful city in the world no but again he paid for everything so he was a perfect person as to go to europe yeah now you can set a baseline for your own rates all the european stuff sounds nice uh i will have you know there's something

in dallas called the reunion tower um which is like a uh it's a bunch of lights on a stick, basically. It's like a big round thing of lights at the top. And on Valentine's Day, it has like hearts, and it's pretty cool. It's like a big mega. What are those screens called at sporting events? Jumbotron. Jumbotron. It's like a big Jumbotron in the middle of the city.

It's quite phallic. It's kind of cultured. I don't know. God, this guy never shuts up about Texas. Yeah. What's something you think is underrated?

You know, we were kind of joking about Paul Pelosi pre-show, and I got to tell you, I think old people are underrated. This guy knows how to party. You know, he didn't get away with it. But, you know, wine drunk, just, you know, he's the what do you call the husband of the speaker of the House? The first call him Paul Pelosi.

We get it. The name Captain Pelosi rings through. Yeah. But, you know, and I'm not going to want to get too neoliberal, but, you know, like Biden's having a good run, you know, things. And everyone's like everyone can't shut up about how old he just canceled student debt for everyone. And all my friends were talking about was how old and tired he looked in the speech he gave. And I was like, OK, sorry that you got free stuff and you don't like from this old guy and you can't handle it and you don't want it because he doesn't doesn't look good. You know, didn't speak. We were we were very look love obama did a great job uh for us really had

our our uh our uh interest in mind but he's the problem was he was too good he spoke too good he looked too good you know and then we had four years of just fucking utter trash and and and we expected whatever was going to come after that to be perfect again and it wasn't just this old white dude who doesn't speak that good but apparently apparently is giving us some stuff that we needed. OK, if he gets that Iran deal done, I'm going to start talking about him as a good president. I might even vote for him again. I might even vote. Yeah, definitely a new context listening to him up there, like missing some words.

And I was like, yeah, that's fine. I'm good with that. Like he said, he's talking about having actually done something it's it really is like what when you're missing words and you're also like not doing stuff that like it seems like you should be doing then it's a little unnerving but when you're like skipping words or like combining words and you know i do that shit all the time my man biden just cancel all the fucking debt right because we're talking equity right means everybody's equal that means everybody's debt should be canceled at the same level don't leave people hanging with us though and i get it that a lot it is very helpful like and most people a lot of people did actually get a lot of their debt wiped out part of me is like

man if you do all that you could speak as fucked up as you want. Like, you don't have to fucking show up. You could go out there on fucking Molly peeking, like just taking deep breaths up there. I'm like, yeah, man, whatever, man. Just let him fucking cook. We're just like not on Adderall. There's a thing that happens where he like his energy like goes in like waves, like from sentence to sentence in a way. I don't know. It might just be like some internal meter that's telling him like,

oh, they told you to just stop shouting like everything. And then he like starts whispering and it seems like he's falling asleep after he was just like, bro, it's the Molly. It's the Molly, bro.

It comes in waves. Another underrated. It's not enough of our leaders are doing Molly, you know, not psychedelics, you know, honestly, I've been saying this underrated it's not enough of our leaders are doing molly you know not psychedelics you know honestly i've been saying this underrated you should to get into congress you you gotta you have to trip balls psychedelics yeah i think you have to try you have to trip balls to get in there and you need to have a moment where you can just be like go outside of yourself let your ego break have a new perspective on how big or small you are in this universe, then start legislating.

I don't think it would be terrorism to dose the punch at a congressional party or something like that. Because it's like, you got it like, because then all the folks, you know, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, she might jump off. I don't want, I don't want, she might do something to herself that would be beneficial to the country. Which is remove herself from office.

Yes, exactly. Because the demons are deep, you know, with a lot of people on that side. And our side, demons are real on all sides. Oh, yeah. All demons. Pooh-pooh demons. They're very strong. But, yeah, I mean, you know, hallucinogenics made me the non-congressional, fun-loving, European traveling person I am today.

Yeah. the non-congressional, fun-loving, European traveling person I am today. Yeah, that's like the way that the Olympics tests for various drugs. And like, like, I feel like we should be doing that with things like amphetamines. We've already seen that those are bad for leadership and like to lead you down a dark path with the nazis so like yeah maybe maybe not that maybe they shouldn't be allowed to do that and be president at the same time yeah let them talk to the mushroom king yeah talk to the shroom god thank you man i would be joel biden's shrooms are right i like that just a little tea yeah and then just like sit there next to the fire and have a think for like 24 hours on the just i'm like i'm like joe don't say anything let's just look at each other for the next let's see where this goes let's see where this goes yeah but it's what like it's funny too

because even though we joke about this it's like every fucking week there's a new thing about the the benefits of psychedelics like psychedel psychedelic research, the study just came out about psilocybin and treating alcoholism, and like how that could be a very potent combination to help people. And we're like, God damn it, man, so many answers fucking right in front of us. And not just in front of us, like literally grown out of the earth. And we're like racing to destroy everything on the problems literally on earth. And I will say about biden you know uh i don't even know i i don't think what what hallucinogenics do is teach you empathy they do they like that's a big part of it but biden does have empathy so like i i'm i'm not i'm not sure he's uh an 80 an 80 year old man needs to start tripping for the first time but uh

although they say it's very good for end of life. Oh yeah. He's not going to die. Two more years. He looked great. I've never seen skin. Such a healthy gray tone like that. It is impressive.

Imagine I can't get out of bed every day. 79. You got to get up every day. Early. You got to be woken up. I feel like for how old Joe Biden is and having to work, that's like us like being hung over as shit and having to go to work and pretend you're not

hung over. I went out last night. I almost canceled on this podcast. I was at 1130. Until 1130. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about the other side of the aisle and their branding problems. They're demons. Oh, shit. It turns out we're demons and people don't like that.

I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling firsthand accounts,

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And we have an update from the Minneapolis Police Department. And just like generally, the police have been really good at dealing with criticism and historically yes historically have you did you guys watch we own the city no i watched the pilot and then i was like this is so heavy i classic classic white privilege thing to say i was like this is so heavy i have to put this aside for later i'll learn about this later it's it's based on it's a lot of same like people being bad cops repeatedly which is a criticism i heard i find it pretty entertaining but like one of the big plot points is that after the freddie gray protests the police just like stopped policing and stopped even leaving their squad

cars like when they came to a crime so that's that's one example of how they responded to nypd went on strike and crime went down i was like you're kidding but yeah i mean like in minneapolis specifically you know there's a lot of like attention on the minneapolis police department because there's a like a lot of calls of like defunding the police there. And people were like, yeah, there was a lot of momentum to that. But the biggest bite that was actually sort of taken out of their policing budget was like about eight million dollars, despite what cop humpers across the political spectrum were saying. And the city also like eventually voted to like not reform the police department as like a department for public safety. So the blue line, you know, survived in that instance. But by this year now, like in 2022, their budgets are actually higher than they were pre George Floyd. So all's well that ends well for them but there's like so there's like this mounting crisis with the the city because the police are basically just draining the fucking city budget with all their shit so to start off

there's been an exodus of police officers uh who have left because their feelings were just hurt by the protest nearly 300 officers this is from uh this piece of mother jones saying that nearly 300 officers left the department since Floyd's murder. That's a third of the force. And 200 of them have left with workers comp settlement checks and lucrative disability pensions based on their claims that the policing at the protests of 2020 gave them PTSD. Hurt their feelings. And so now they are getting huge checks to not even fucking work anymore and the city is estimated to pay about 35 million in these disability claims normal and these like workers

comp settlements like since 2020 yeah and and like and these are cops that have like some of these cops have like extensive records of misconduct like leading to killings and just all kinds of just shitty behavior so this is slowly creating this like fiscal om killings and just all kinds of shitty behavior. So this is slowly creating this like fiscal omni crisis. And that's just sort of one dimension of it, because here's the other huge number. The city has paid out 111 million dollars in settlements to people that were fucking brutalized by the Minneapolis police in the first 15 days after George Floyd's murder. They're saying all the misconduct from the first to the 15th day in response to that murder has turned into $111 million in settlements. So city officials are now like kind of in a bind

because on one hand, they're like, well, this is fucking too much. Like they're just taking off with all this money for reasons like we're not totally aligned with. But also, if they go to court and try and fight it, they could end up paying even more. So, you know, they're in a bit of a bind just being like, so we raise taxes and then cut back other programs to offset the cost of just having to deal with the police in our city. police in our city it's just a very just a very fucked up situation as you look at it because even if you you know as they even ideated around it turns out it's they like the cops basically play like a uno reverse card on the city right i would love to read a quick quote by miriam cabba she's an amazing abolitionist and i think it goes into what you guys said but she said if we say anything about the impunity with which they harm people, this is going to hurt their feelings and hurt feelings equals massive crime. It sounds ridiculous if you actually think about it, but it is convincing to vast swaths of the

country. What other profession do we say that because they have low morale, we have to suffer violence as a result. So it's this idea that like, need to fucking get Blue Lives Matter tattooed on our bodies to show police their support or else someone's going to murder us. It's this crazy idea and it's completely mythical. And I think it's also much more influenced. Hate to say it because I was a huge fan of the show and it got me through college. Dick Wolf's Law and Order. I think it's plagues the nation more than we even know and it's given us this collective story that they are here they work all the time to solve crime when really they're just

writing parking tickets yeah or killing people over a disputed 20 bill or you know like recently happened um pulling over a pregnant black mother with her children in the car and pulling their gun on her her entire pop culture like of you know my favorite pop culture was like 80s movies where like die hard was my favorite movie right most of my life and like that's just like a no-nonsense cop who like is just there and using violence like at his own discretion and like yeah i mean the whole the whole thing is like built on that i'm like that i feel like that is a large part of like it's not necessarily even the bureaucratic stuff as much as it's just like how deeply ingrained culturally so much of this shit is that like our ideas around safety right this

is something we talked about with our guest yesterday seth about like being able to break out of just like this sort of reflexive thinking where people hear most people say they hear defund the police that means no police that means violent dystopia and that's the only that's the only conclusion from that term from that phrase rather than can we sit down and actually understand what the root causes of crime was or crime are you wonder why people who are wealthy typically aren't the ones shoplifting or stealing cars because they have the means to these aren't they don't commit survival crime a lot of time we're just being like this is how people are surviving because they're excluded from the traditional economy so that's what this looks

like rather than yo man they need fucking you know fucking gatling guns and shit and you know bigger trucks and all this other shit and we kind of fall in this absurd problem solving mode when really it seems like the thing is public safety how do we keep the public safe and who does that? And there's probably there's so there's so much nuance to it that not everything has to be responded to with aggro person that's armed to the fucking hill. Well, think about when you call the police. You don't call the police before violence has occurred. You don't call the police before property theft. You call the police after.

How can we say then they prevent anything like that? It's just this weird backwards way of thinking about life in terms of punishment rather than a social network that gives people more options than to resort to petty theft or which is, you know, most of what the police are doing right now for instance there was something so it would be funny if it wasn't so fucking tragic there was a picture of a black woman from a 7-eleven camera and the police released it saying she was wanted for stealing a slim jim the resources alone going into that are fucking ridiculous when a woman is stealing food. Yeah. It makes me insane. It makes me really sad. And I think it's like the biggest mold on our country.

I think that's like the thing that when you feel that frustration is like really having to encourage people around you to be like the option isn't a dystopia, just so you know, because we're already there. in a dystopia just so you know because we're already there the idea that you are exactly police even more and giving them more weapons that's the fucking dystopia not the version where cops are like solving certain crimes of crime while also like supporting human beings to try and elevate them out of situations that cause them to do what you know the police call extra legal activity or whatever so i just think that if white children if white children of white people were being affected this way if a white 15 year old foster child had been tased or shot this conversation would not be radical at all and the fact that it's radical just speaks directly to race and i i think you know when people were ever you know anyone with a working

brain and heart was so horrified but what was going on in the summer of 2020 even though it's what goes on all the time but the fact that when you mentioned abolition people are defunding the police people were acting like that was a radical reaction meant that they were not looking at these people like their own they were looking at these people like their own they were looking at these people like not my problem still has to be corralled and controlled yeah yeah it's already a dystopia for someone you know for a dystopia for someone it's a normal reaction to someone saying like yeah this isn't a safe world right you know this isn't a protection to me at all. Yeah, Miriam Kaba talks about abolition as not

it is about building something rather than removing something. It's about building social networks, not about just removing one part of the country. Yeah. Which is our militarized police. Right. We talk about Alec Katsanis. I think another like kind of

huge part of the edifice of like this pro police like can't can't possibly imagine a reality without police is the way that an unquestioning, the only source on most things. It's pretty fucking crazy. So go follow Alec Karakatsanis. He spends all his time and energy just going one news story after another, just being like, all right, so here's another one. On top of all the legal work he does. Yeah. Yeah.

And he's also runs a huge fund that helps fight human caging so there there's another story that i think kind of reminded me of this problem that so it's completely different but it's another one of these like institutions that is unquestionably just given carte blanche to like do whatever the fuck it wants and that's like corporations and just like corporations acting within a market there's this article from over the weekend where the wall street journal like published thing disney's new pricing magic more profit from fewer park visitors and they're just like amazed they're they're like speaking approvingly in economic terms about how the company has raised some prices and eliminated

or started charging for other services and features that used to be free and calling it like pricing magic and like the new york times as if mickey mouse was the one who came up with it genius and the new york times had another thing that was like well with biden forgiving student debt like colleges are just going to charge more because now they can just like bake in that ten thousand dollars into the price and that money goes to them and they don't have to like worry. They don't have to worry about it basically. And like,

that's just how they're like in both cases, it's companies doing what is objectively like evil, you know, just like bad, bad shit, like taking advantage of the, of the pandemic to like discriminate against magic. Yeah. Like using the magic of the pandemic to like discriminate against magic yeah like using the magic of the pandemic i'm sorry to discriminate against like the lower earning part of your consumer base and

then on the college front it's like exacerbating a problem that we're already acknowledging is like a huge massive problem in in the country but in both cases it's not treated as like a huge, massive problem in the country. But in both cases, it's not treated as like a normative thing. It's like they just treat it as like an objective fact that this is what corporations do. This is like smart business. And it's, I don't know, it's just very frustrating. And again, it feels like the sort of thing that we've just lost the ability to imagine or I don't know, it's not like these damn people like we've lost our imagination. It's that we've like never been given an opportunity to imagine anything other than a world that is ruled by corporations and, you know, market forces.

corporations and you know market forces no they're definitely they're in charge of the narrative i mean you're talking about disney which is a storyteller you know like it sounds paranoid but it's or you know like a conspiracy theory but no these are people who literally build the stories that reminds me of ivanka trump saying that she knew more about working people than AOC and that she thought that that she knew that Americans want to work for their money. Right. And I was wild. I was like, that is the craziest thing I've ever fucking heard. As if like the problem is like I want to work more like a woman, you know, a mother of five

who works at the Walmart cash register. Like actually her problem is that she hates tax cuts because she loves working there well i i ivanka is i actually have a bunch of ivanka quotes that i was gonna pull but it sounds like oh yeah what's today's quote yeah no no actually caroline is here we'll actually do it after they leave that's probably yeah i know she's one of my favorite american philosophers yeah she's incredible. Oh, yeah. The Descartes. There's Thoreau, there's

Ivanka, there's the Kushner. The Kush. Well, Carolina, Devin, truly a pleasure having both of you on the Daily Zeitgeist. I know you have to bounce a little bit early. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff?

Again, we want to blame our early absence on the comedian Will Ferrell. Oh, that's right. We didn't blame him. We didn't blame him up top. Monster. Famously cruel. Cruel person.

A cruel person. Just kidding. He's truly an angel on earth. Yeah. Unbelievable. He wore a t-shirt during the pandemic that said pay teachers more because he was getting

pepped all the time outside of his house. And you can please listen to us on True Romance. That is on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and iHeartRadio. It's production produced by iHeart, Big Money Players, Will Ferrell's podcast network. And funny story, one of the first people we pitched it to was jack o'brien your co-host who um kicked us out of the room he said that's disgusting no one's going to want to hear about your failures and romance so who's it going to be hosted by though that's what i understand what are the two fellas you're going to bring in exactly yeah no i remember

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One was the protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI in a violent revolutionary underground. Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer. This is Rip Current, available now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back.

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And thank you. Holy shit. I have nosebleed. Wow. And that's exactly what I wanted. Like 11 from fucking Stranger Things. It's like, oh my God, more blood's coming out of both nostrils. Oh no, something bad's about to happen. What's a dead, like, do you assume it's the person's in more trouble if they have a nosebleed after something weird, like, supernaturally happens?

Or an earbleed? I feel like earbleed is freaky. Well, earbleed. An earbleed feels personal. Yes. Is that more brain? Yeah. That feels like you're dead or you're going to not be well after.

I do feel like maybe the nose is a direct pipeline to the brain as well. So I don't know. You always say that. That's you. The brain to nose pipeline. Fuck the eyes. Fuck the eyes. I actually don't know.

The nose is a direct pipeline to the soul. Anna, it's wonderful to have you back. We kind of have unofficial streaming corners whenever you tell us to watch something and we actually do it. But this is, this one demanded on like

for all the world to see the rehearsal. Did you watch it? I didn't watch it at all. One mic for all the world to see the rehearsal. Mm-hmm. Did you watch it? Yes, of course. Are you kidding? I was always the first person to watch it because I watched it exactly 8 p.m. on the dock,

Friday nights, PST, when it dropped at 11 p.m. EST. And then I would immediately go, I am unwell, to the press chat. You would all get a text, I am the chat. You would wait till Saturday morning. It's like, it's like, fuck it, man. It came out last night. And then you're like, did you see it? It went even more off the rails.

And I'm like, I'm about to jump in. Yeah. Yeah. What a show. What a show. Yeah. Nathan Fielder. Truly.

I don't know. I really like him. I saw him live once. I always talk about it. And he did the he just pulled people up on stage that he thought looked weird and had interesting conversations with him like that is his his singular skill is finding weird people and being able to just dig in with them and have interesting conversations well i guess broadly i'm curious to everybody here the i feel like the for people i think like there is a group of people who knew nathan fielder and watched it and were like wow then there are people who never heard of nathan fielder and saw this like what is wrong with this guy right like he's monotone

he seems like he's so arrogant and so i guess the first biggest thing is that I like I just want to read a criticism of the show just to get everybody's take is that people felt that he was like cruel and arrogant. This I'm going to read from this New Yorker review of the show. Quote, Fielder is manifestly impressed with his own methods and his own acumen. At that moment, barely five minutes into the first episode, I wanted to throw my laptop across the room or just to throw nathan fielder out of it not only uh is this not he's talking about the time when he sends the gas company in to like to map the guy's apartment he said but like his senses like start breaking down i feel like richard brody's going through something i don't know not only is the gas crew deception itself a reckless betrayal, but the gaze of superiority and dominance that he casts upon core struck me as arrogant, cruel and above all indifferent. Yeah, I say in the like five minutes and you were like angry to the point of like violence, I think is is revealing.

I get like the that's definitely a thought that is on your mind while you're watching it. I think I do tend to like think that these portraits of these people are really interesting. And like, I don't core or core's trivia friend that i've ever seen in art like the most like humane and i don't know it felt empathetic to me and what's what was your response to when you tell people to watch the show because i'm sure like anybody's like did you watch it and some people were like i don't know well i'm i'm of of the sort of realm of like, don't stop writing think pieces on Nathan Fielder shows. I think you need to let go and let love, as it says on my wall, as you can see behind me. But like, it's, I feel like every Nathan Fielder show is an examination of Nathan's own anxiety and issues and frustrations with his own like existence that's every nathan fielder show it's just like him being like i got good grades so i think i'm good at business and you're like well you didn't but you seem to think you are so whatever go do your thing

and then this is like the whole reason the rehearsal exists is because nathan is like an anxious socially awkward person which it says multiple times. So he's like, well, I figured out how to rehearse every interaction, which immediately is like, okay, dude, you're a fucking weirdo. And he's like, so I've decided to give this great skill of mine to others, which is exactly what Nathan for you was. It's literally Nathan for you. I'm giving you this really absurd thing that i've

come up with back to the people even though nobody asked for it and i think that's all it is it's not as deep as people think it is of like wow look at him destroying human like all these people it's actually not these people exist right yeah nathan just started interacting with them because he himself found it interesting and it's in a way he's being like, oh, look, I found someone who's maybe weirder than me. Let me talk to them because I'm curious of how they exist. And you're like, OK, I don't in a way like think like I think all these people interesting. The only person who I literally was like, I do not fuck with you was Miriam the Zionist. That was the only person that i turned on the whole

time and she didn't even start out as like a weirdo i gotta say no and then she pivoted i was like oh fuck miriam immediately i listened to the ringer podcast about this show to like jog my memory and then i was like oh this is not good and just re-watched a couple episodes but the ringer podcast about this they bring up that episode but they're just like i loved her she like that end part where she's a problem like she's so glad angela's gone and i'm so glad angela's gone too and it's just like a warm celebratory it's like she's talking about she kept talking after that did you not get that part yeah what yeah the fuck yeah i mean look i'm glad about you know go ahead teach people about the you know jewish culture and tradition that's fine the second you try and pressure someone like nathan to make their show like a political stance supporting Israel because like, you know,

he has a platform. You're going too far. They'd be like, you need to side against Palestinian people on your HBO show right now. It's like, well, those people, they were going to be bombed. It's kind of a hot button issue, isn't it? You're like, what are you saying? That was an interesting thing because a lot of a few Jewish news outlets like grappled with the show in different ways. Like this one website first're like saying like how judaism and kabbalah is

essential to understanding like the the show and then when the finale happened that same thing it's so weird how some people absolutely do not get what he's doing they were like we really did not like the fact that he had to renounce his Judaism, his religion to that child in the finale and say, I'm going to hell and I'm going to be burning in hell because I'm not Christian. And it's like, I think you're missing the point entirely there. Like what? That wasn't that he was made to do anything like that. If anything, he started like underscoring this absurdity of how children are indoctrinated. We're like, because most kids have no concept of what religion or if they need it for themselves, it's just easier to grasp this framing of like,

it's us versus them. We do good. Those people burn in hell because that's like what the parent was like. The kid doesn't know about Christianity anymore. Do the talk to the kid. And he's like, okay. In kid terms, I'm bad and evil. You're going to be good. That's like okay in kid terms i'm bad and evil you're gonna be good that's what you want right and they're like how could you do that i'm like that's that's already calling attention to like how absurd it was that the mom would make that request at all like right yeah and it felt like by the time he got to that point he was just trying to make right by all the kids right because he then accidentally became a father figure to a child actor who didn't know any better and he was like oh and child actors even so one thing i wanted

to say about the parenting thing like what my initial response to the whole show was like holy shit i will never first of all kids are way better actors than everybody else. Adam, dude. Holy shit. Teenage Adam? Teen Adam. Oh, my God. Those kids were great actors. But also, like, it seems super immoral. But, like, on rewatching some of the early episodes, there's, like, these moments where he's asking, like, a mom of one of the babies.

Like, the actual, like, babies in a crib, like, can't even, like, pull themselves up. If, like, she's cool if robin like gets involved as like the father figure and she's like yeah i don't know they seem to get along sure whatever like and it reminded like kids so if you're just watching one episode of like this six-year-old calling him daddy and saying i miss daddy like it is it that shit like broke my heart for sure and like made the whole thing seem super like fucked up at the same time like kids have like a favorite person that they're obsessed with for 24 hours and then just like move

on to a new thing and i feel like you see that in some of the parents reactions where they're just like, yeah, man, whatever. Like, it's like watching people who don't have kids. She's like,

think about parenting. And then, and then like people who have had like multiple kids just feeling, yeah, man, like, yeah, that seems great.

Right. The part where she's like, and then I would like to use, I forget what, what the oil was, lavender oil. where she's like and then i would like to use i forget what what the oil was uh lavender oil and she was like okay yeah okay see if if that works give it a shot and that that did kind of change how i thought about it a little bit yeah i i think you see like especially with the child actor stuff you you can see some parents relationships to how they even view their kids as acting right like some people might be like yeah dude i take my

baby to a set and they give me money yeah and it's like a baby system you've commodified your child's existence just to be on camera and you see like some some of those kids were straight up child actors right who are like knew how to disengage immediately. And they're like, wait, are we in a scene now or no? And then like with that little boy, Remy, I think he was obviously way too young to be in something that was so not a traditional acting thing. Like it wasn't on a stage with an audience or like overt production stuff. There's like a lot of hidden camera infrastructure. But I think also the show does

a good job of going so absurd that you think it's not real and then it becomes so so fucking real out of nowhere yeah like when he keeps coming back to the set yeah and just being like even in doing this thing like even this they're showing the mom in a way like she's trying to do her best she thought it was like a good thing but then he was sort of getting like with every subsequent trip to that house getting more invested in this idea of like nathan as his dad and how she felt bad about it so there's like multiple commentaries happening about like just child acting or parenting that i think that's what's kind of really brilliant about the shows he says a lot of things through it's a it's absurdity yeah and i was gonna say like and he and here's the thing nathan could have hit all of that he didn't have to show how

fucked up the kids like he didn't have to show any of that but he the fact that he was like and here's how i potentially fucked up a child and you're like oh god like he's like he continued to show the dark side of it all yeah regardless and i think like i would be more concerned about i would actually have had more like oh if he didn't show that and that came out later on like oh there was all these issues with the kids thinking that nathan was their father and like now you know there's you know because as i was watching I was like, at first I didn't know how to feel. I was like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. But then I start to be like, well, look, he's actually trying to solve the problem.

He's working towards removing this child or like removing him from this child's life. So the child understands he's not actually his father and that he's not going to be in his life. understands he's not actually his father and that he's not going to be in his life i don't know i think those moments speak more to like what and who nathan like what nathan's trying to do than the whole like wow look at him showing making robin look a certain way i'm like robin is who he is robin's all over the internet continuing to act like robin he just like showed some light on a kind of strange figure that exists in the world. We should talk about

like the individual characters and like moments, right? Like Robin, for anybody who hasn't seen it, Robin is, holy shit. Like how do you describe Robin? I mean, again,

like to your point, Anna, like he's Robin. There was no writer's room that came up with I crashed my Scion TC a hundred miles an hour and came to upright onight on Miracle status. Yeah.

That's Robin. You couldn't write that if you wanted to. No. And if you did, they deserve 9,000 Emmys. Because I've never heard anything like that, except from someone so themselves as fucking Robin. Right? Yeah. I really admire Nathanathan as like a person like i just think it's all of his

stuff is really cool and challenging and like is designed to like make us have a conversation like this and so every time he releases something and this like inevitable like series of discourse takes place it's like yeah this is like a part of the Nathan Fielder like experience because like you were saying and I like what I really liked about this show it like was that it like I don't know like I feel like with any reality premise or project shit like this happened and there's all of these like is this ethical like is that was this okay to do but there's like not shows that very intentionally call your attention to is this ethical so i don't like as as like bizarre and specific and like arguably fucked up of a premise as it is it yeah like most reality shows have an absurd fucked up premise but they want you to not think about that as hard as they can and they

go way out of their way with the production and the casting and the style to make you feel like and this is a totally normal thing for us to be doing we're definitely not exploiting anybody and like this is this is cool you should feel fine about participating in this as like a consumer but that's like not what he does and i think that that is like you know whatever when it gets down to the individual level there's definitely shit to be talked about but i i like that that is like such a huge component of this show is like it's doing what a lot of shows are doing but just like not being shy about telling you exactly what you're doing and like having the person asking like is this okay i don't know i just think it's so cool yeah the discomfort is like from that honesty

right because it's like it's like he's giving you an album but the behind the music is also part of the album right so you're like because you're like oh shit that's what's also going on like it's always zooming out it's like zooming out so much it gets meta it gets so meta but that's like the honesty aspect of it and i think that's why with like anna you know we watch a lot of reality shows and half the time i'm like they're getting these fucking people drunk they're telling them all kinds of shit they're they're provoked they're antagonizing them to do shit on camera or they'll straight up just manufacture interactions but you'll never know that watching most reality shows and with this one it tries to be like saying like, these are kind of the stakes, even just trying to even do this thing from a super zoomed out perspective.

Yeah. Yeah. you never see anywhere else like because reality tv is essentially a very specific type of person who is you know not not reflective of like the type of people who actually exist in america i think it touches on like spirituality and religion in a way that like doesn't really in a way that's like very honest and like doesn't really get brought up it just it feels like it's like on a different level than not just reality tv but like just scripted tv as well like it's yeah covering a bunch of wild shit that is like some of the most important stuff to in people's lives you know in a in a fucked up way but a fucked up way that like makes you think about it i mean i also think a lot of you know i don't fault robin or angela

for having such intense sort of religious like so you know they're very religious people but i also think they've all you know based on what they tell you if they've experienced this trauma and like individually they talk about these things they've gone through and like okay that's fine let a person be as religious as hell if it helps them survive in this world like i think there was a lot of criticism about look i'm not going to talk about angela's anti-semitism that's a whole another just because she loves every mel gibson thing ever yeah that was like when she said apocalypto that was the funniest fuck yeah and she's like i think mel Mel Gibson is the greatest director.

I thought she was going to say anything by Lenny Riefenstahl. Yeah, that's a whole other conversation. That's the only way to escalate that. Yeah, seriously. I do think there is, you should maybe, she did release a video later being like, I understand now why that's not a thing that I shouldn't like Mel Gibson that much. I just really like the film instead. a thing that I shouldn't like Mel Gibson that much. I just really like the film instead. She kind of like tried

to backtrack on it, which I was kind of like, just be aware of what you put out there in the world when you say stuff like that. But I don't fault them for having such religious views or how they live their life. People need that.

Right. So I think this series gave us a lot of moments where anna you and i were definitely texting each other like fucking just rabid animals being like what about this shit what was uh i just want to go around what was everyone's most cringe moment like what was the moment when you saw and you could not believe what you were watching unfold on screen one that doesn't get mentioned a lot but uh it's from the i think the first episode's still my favorite because it just like stands alone so well and is rewatchable endlessly but when they have the undercover actor go to interview his trivia friend who he's afraid is going to have a violent outburst which it turns

out is like so unfounded but that's like such a funny revelation of how we like build build things up but so she has you know whatever the disorder is where like she just like can't stop herself from talking and she's like supposed to be interviewing the bird watcher lady but like they just have this montage of like her just like talking endlessly about herself and at one point she's like the fifth thing after she's like talked about her family and stuff and she's supposed to be interviewing this other person for a story she's like and i have like various travel rewards plans and including go-go in flight in flight yeah that was so specific

that was the moment that just... That's the cheap chick in the city shit right there. Yeah, cheap chick in the city. What about you, Anna? Chick in the city? Cheap chick in the city. I hope that did drive some traffic to her site. I hope so, too.

Yeah. I think that one of the i mean the one that comes to mind of just like and just like nathan nathan having to deal with a different uh anti-semitic person in the series was the guy at the raising canes oh yeah in that moment where he like said something like mask off anti-semitic and nathan like tries to interfere and then the guy is like well but that is something that i would say to my brother and he would agree with me and then he's like oh well i guess if that's what you would say like it was just yeah it's like uh and then makes a note like anti-semitic turn like and then that becomes a pack it was like oh my god yeah that was that was a that was

a brutal moment that storyline i feel like is one of the less discussed ones yeah that one that episode was wild because that guy had a full-on like emotional reckoning with himself like through this actor who was supposed to be his brother which i could not believe how powerful that moment was yeah how absurd the whole situation like he started crying to this this effigy of his brother and i'm like oh my god like what is nathan facilitating here and the fact that it worked that well is crazy but for me it was when he went to go help that old man dig up the treasure and helped him take a shit i could that's when i was like this is you're really you're you're layering so much on top of it to try and get this response out of the guy then cut to i didn't realize that guy who

played the grandpa he was a former undercover atf agent oh Oh, really? Regularly go undercover. So he was like built already to like be like, hey man, like I know what part I need to play for you. That was a little note I did not realize because he felt upset that the show didn't help like help promote his book that he had just written. That's actually really interesting. I did not know that.

I had no idea. Yeah, that blew my mind. With apologies to Anna's thing about the nose to the brain being the pathway to the brain. I feel like there was a similarity in the eyes of that guy and Angela. The way they would close their eyes while

talking and working through stuff that was interesting. I wonder if that's one of the things Nathan looks for. What was your favorite moment, Anna? Or most freaked out moment? Yeah. I mean, almost every moment.

But I think the most legendary moment on this show was Adam's overdose. Yeah. That shook me to my core. I just didn't see it coming i wasn't ready for i was not ready for nathan's reaction to it where i was like oh my god nathan is acting i don't know what happened yeah i was like what is that and then the way that it affected nathan where he's like i can't raise a teenager this is too much and i'm like you set up the overdose like what is happening i loved that transition after he decides i can't have a teenager and the kid comes down the slide and then you see the teenager be like all right so are we

crawls back out of the yeah i will say that that actor he put his all oh yeah that dinner table discussion's like wouldn't you be angry that i've been gone for like 10 years and he's like look who decided to show up and i was like oh we are in it for a wild ride that's the kind of actor that like when i saw that i made a mental note. I'm like, oh, that kid could be like super famous in 10 years. I would have to be like, yeah, I got my start playing Nathan Fielder's like overdose son. Oh, my producer just classic. You're a you're a fucking disaster, my guy. That was what his son said to him.

When he was trying to be like like you need to listen to me you talk to us and he's like you've been gone for 10 years it's like this is you're a fucking disaster my guy the way the fucking exasperation in his voice i'm like this is fucking that's why i think i texted you and i was like this is fucking prestige casting right now. This is prestige casting. Team Adam took the role to a whole other level. The girl who played Angela was so good. Oh, yeah. Holy shit. She's actually, I think... She was on This Fool. Yes!

I was gonna say, I'm like, oh! She's in This Fool. She might be the greatest actor of our generation. I'm like, you're killing it right now. You're killing it right now. That's wild. I did not connect that. She plays Estrada's sister, the older sister with the kids right yeah i would never have connected that that's so wild yeah on a run oh my gosh yeah what also 2022 one of the moments that really also like brought me to life other than every

minute of the show but when he enters that got that actor's bedroom after he decides to fully encompass himself in this actor's life yeah and he enters his bedroom and it's filled with squish mellows yeah i was like this can't write this shit man but it's truly like great it was great the thing that he talks about when he's like i went to the kid's house and it was like perfect in a way that like none of our sets could have been because it was like accidentally that way like that is what is great like that's the thing you're seeing on the on this show that you don't see anywhere else. Like any other reality show, you are seeing something that is like

carefully, you know, even if they're doing a hometown visit on The Bachelor, like that is a version of their house that has been like designed and like reformatted to look good on TV. Yeah. Alright, that's gonna do it for

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