The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 244 (Best of 9/19/22-9/23/22)

Episode Date: September 25, 2022

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I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry.

Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese

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That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the

making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah, so without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist.

Hey, who's that? In our third seat, a very funny comedian, the host of the podcast, the broadcast, Pod Yourself a Gun. And now, Pod Yourself a Wire, it's Matt Lee! Hey, I'm here, baby. I'm here. And, you know, good to be back. You know, I was here just the other day. And you guys were just like, man, Matt, you got to come back. You know, I was here just the other day and you guys were just like,

man, Matt, you got to come back immediately. Yeah. Because you just crushed it in the guest host. More Lieb. Yeah.

You know, more Lieb. More Lieb the better. More Lieb time. That's right. If I could get a little more Lieb time on that. Yeah, a little more Lieb time.

And thanks for plugging the, you know, the pod, Pod Yourself And thanks for plugging the, you know, the pod, Pod Yourself The Wire, which is, you know, you were on Pod Yourself A Gun, our Sopranos Rewatch podcast, and we did all the episodes and now we're at The Wire. So I'm going to need both of you guys to come on and talk about The Wire at some point. It is my favorite show of all time. It's a great show. It's a great show. And here's the thing. If you're listening to this right now and you're like, oh, I haven't seen those shows, doesn't matter. You can

still listen to the podcast. And if you're like, I don't want to listen to the podcast, that's fine. The most important thing is just giving us five stars in review on the Apple podcast store. That's all I care about. And then press play on the episode and then mute it and

then walk away walk away literally it's an act of charity to do those things please help i have a baby yeah there there aren't that many movie tv podcasts that i will give the go ahead and listen to this even if you're not watching the show but yours is one of them because it is a comedy show and it's fun it's fun to listen to it although you should watch the fucking wire and the surprise absolutely watch the wire it's weird to not watch those shows just because it's like well i mean what what what else are you watching what's in the way of those nothing you're watching is as good as either The Sopranos or The Wire. And nothing you're listening to is as good as

those two rewatch podcasts, Potty Yourself a Gun and Potty Yourself the Wire, so please help. With the obvious exception of The Daily Zag. Right, right, right, right, right. I was going to say that. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to start a beef here, Matt. No, there's no beef, but it's like, you know, you guys don't rewatch enough TV on this podcast.

And that, I think, has been the main problem I've seen in various Daily Zeitgeist comment sections. They're like, how come they're not talking about my favorite story? Just completely misunderstanding it as a wire rewatch podcast. I don't remember any of these episodes about the wire where the queen was dead. That is truly what you get when you launch a podcast. The first few weeks of episodes of reviews are just like, you know, reviewing a different podcast than your title made them think your show was gonna be yeah yeah wait matt i wanna okay episodes either the one where the wire tapping goes completely haywire and blows up in everybody's face or omar's first on-screen gay kiss i'll do either. Oh, yeah. Iconic moments for me. We just did the first Omar Gay Kiss episode.

Oh, missed it. Unfortunately, you can't do that one. But there's plenty of The Wire Goes Haywire episodes. That's the thing about The Wire. It's mostly a show about, you know, wires. Various types. Getting crossed. Yeah.

And they do, if you haven't seen it, they do constantly say things like, this has gone haywire and looks like we've got our wires crossed. Yeah. Too much coffee for me. I'm wired. Yeah, I'm wired.

It's mostly a show of wire puns. It's a questionable choice. Yeah. It's weird to have such a serious and important show be filled with random... Self-referential titular wire puns. Self-referential titular wire buttons oh man you know what my favorite magazine is wired anyways let's solve this murder yeah joelle i'm so excited

for the segments where you're gonna be coming on telling us about all the movies you've pre-screened for us and yeah that that will all be happening soon what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are okay yeah so i tried to come up with something so most of my search history which i never really looked at was about like things you can do with tahini so that's not that interesting like that's that's like the most interesting thing i had or it's like who's that guy on the tv show that's basically all i use it for is like when i'm watching tv i google like you know who this character actor is but my friend so i was asking my friend last night and he's he was like well you could tell him how much do you pee in your lifetime that's something he googled yesterday this is a younger guy he's like 24 so he's into that sort of thing and it turns out you pee about 18 000 gallons over the course of your life your

average person and that's about half a swimming pool wow that was sort of wow so no matter how hard you try your whole life you could only fill half a swimming pool with your pee i mean you could probably like i feel like you know you could try harder and get up a little bit but your average user you know i don't know i'm like kind of crestfallen hearing that i don't know yeah that's like not enough peak for me i feel like i can do better than that is that an olympic swimming pool well there's like an average swimming pool i don't know what that means exactly like an average swimming pool is 35,000 gallons. I feel like I could fill the swimming pool by the end if I make it, if I make it a long time.

If you work hard, stay hydrated, continue. There is a power washer going in the background just for added effect. Your neighbor is trying to fill a pool right now. Yeah. I'm almost there, man. I'm almost there. I mean, because they say you do maybe between four and ten times a day if everything's going right. Okay.

Is that right? That's what they say. That feels like a lot. Four and ten. I guess ten feels like a lot. Four feels, but maybe not. But we all have different size bladders. We all have different, you know, our peak.

We all come from different pee backgrounds, you know. So sometimes you like to pee. And the minute you have a sensation, other times you know so sometimes you like to pee and then the minute you have a sensation other times you're working and you're like i think i get away with a couple more dance hours yeah just burst i like to it speeds if you've ever heard this show and been like are they on like 1.5 time like what why is this like double speed? That's you doing your about the show's about to wrap pee. That's me. That's me having to pee.

Yeah. But anyways, fascinating stuff. I figured I had to. I figured Pete's going to do something about how much we pee in our lifetimes. I just knew that. You knew that coming in. Yeah. I'm also curious.

What can you do with tahini, though? I'm also interested what what can you do with tahini though i'm also interested in i mean i ate i started eating these like not because i'm like a particularly healthy person at all like but i just started eating these macrobiotic lunches years ago that are like you know just steamed vegetables and like tofu and this tahini sauce and i got like everything else you know it kind of gets sleepy after lunch and this would just feel like running through a wall. And so I don't know, then I got obsessed with tahini. I like, I could put tahini on anything, like just, you know, so I'm always trying to

figure out just different versions of, and again, that's why I didn't choose it. Cause it's kind of boring. You know, I just like, I'm like, can you put tahini instead of, you know, mustard on this thing? And, you know, like just trying to come up with different dressing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I love tahini. And I remember when I found out, it's like in desserts too. I was like, this thing is the most fucking malleable sauce

I've ever seen. They make like a healthy Nutella that my wife ordered, but it's all sesame tahini based. And there's like a little chocolate in it, but it's great. It's like, it's amazing. I got to remember the brand name, but I eat that like out of the jar.

The chocolate hummus really fucks me up because it does taste so good. But I don't know, like my brain doesn't know what to do with it. Is that real? Are you making a joke? Yeah. Chocolate hummus. No, no, no. Chocolate hummus is like something you can get at ralph's

yeah yeah i remember the first time like we're doing too much trader joe's and then every listener was like you think it looks and sounds fucked up and then you'd eat it and then you realize you are fucked up and then you realize you are the one you are the fucked up one yeah the other one the other reason i bring it up is the uh salt have you ever had like a millionaire bar with tahini and caramel no that's all right oh my god you make your own salted caramel with like a cookie base and like this caramel tahini filling and you it's like vegan excellent dessert wait what do you mean you make your own what do you what is i somewhat oh so it's like i've never had i've never bought a millionaire bar, but someone like made it like a home recipe.

Like they made it on their own. And ever since then, it's one of my favorite desserts that I've had involving tahini too. All right. I'm Googling that right after. Yeah. Millionaire bars. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Wow. Millionaire bar. I'd never even heard of that. Yeah. Super easy to make too. I maxed out at the hundred grand bar. What is something you think is overrated?

Oh, wait, what did I write down? What, something I, oh, this is controversial. So I did not think I was going to jump right into controversy. Let's go. Let's do it. That's something that as an expert I believe is overrated is recycling.

Okay. Go on. Okay. You didn't think I was going to say that. Now, I'm not saying don't recycle. But if you learn more about that. What our quote unquote recycling is. How effective recycling is, you will learn that it is a freaking disaster. The whole system is a hot mess. The whole system is a hot mess and recycling does not reach or even come close to reaching the goals we think it does.

In a lot of ways, there's an argument it does more harm than good. Like it takes a lot of fossil fuel emissions to recycle things like to turn like aluminum or glass into new aluminum and glass. It actually like we have to pollute a lot to get that done. There's like so many issues with it. Right. So a solution, please keep recycling, but like even better, reduce your consumption and reuse the things that you consume. So like emphasis on reduce and reuse. Recycling is overrated. Yeah.

I was I was shamed by my reusable shopping bags like the thick plastic ones that a lot of the stores got around like the thin bag bandwidth like well now we give reusable ones out and i was just like i could make a submarine if i melted all this plastic down like full size yeah and i don't throw it away too because part of me's like you can't recycle that shit and i'm like i don't want to waste it so then of me is like, you can't recycle that shit. And I'm like, I don't want to waste it. So then eventually I am able to use those a little bit better. But now I always bring my big ass reusable bag with me. Yeah, you're like canvas tote.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, yes, I've been thoroughly just put into a state of panic over how terrible I am with that kind of stuff. Reduce and reuse. That's the way. Yeah. And it's wild how much packaging stuff too, like says it has like a recycling logo on it.

Yet you have to go take some things to like specialized places. Like you can't just put that in like your city recycling can sometimes. Wait, I learned you will die. I recently learned, again, I just got a whole like proper education on this. So now I can speak as an expert. I recently learned that i just got a whole like proper education on this so now i can speak as an expert i recently learned that in like several states in this country it is legal to put a

recycling symbol on anything even if it's not recyclable what like there's like as a design and people use the loophole they're like it's just good marketing for recycling. It's kind of like saying, if you can figure out a way to recycle this, go ahead, but we don't have a way. Wow. That is so American. It's wild. It is so, exactly, so American. Anyway, so like, don't

think you're doing something by recycling. It is overrated. There are better ways. Reduce, reuse at a minimum. Yeah. I just like to collect those plastic bags that have the big recycling thing on it because it proves that i'm into i'm i'm here to save the earth as many of those as i can have it shows yeah what some of you think is underrated underrated uh gravel bikes which um is a type of bike oh the in-between bike yeah the in-between bike it's like more comfortable because i was shopping for a bicycle and i was trying to decide

i've been like cycling a lot more and i wanted to up my bike game so i was looking at these really expensive bikes and I'm like, I don't really know if I can spend this type because bikes are really expensive. If I can spend this money on it. And basically what I was told is that for what I do, like what 50 to 60, 70 miles a week or whatever, like it's good to have a son.

Yeah, that's right. And that's, yeah. Where are you going? Did you give up your car? What do you do? And all gravel

no i'm sorry i've i drive it around on my car i got it for my car and i put on my car and i drive it around 50 to 70 guys you got you keep the odometer on so that like it just assumes that you're riding that fast yeah

oh man this bike thinks i'm so cool i put on the apple watch um and so basically i what i learned is that a gravel bike especially now because streets are just such awful shit and you are so streets are gravel you know with big holes in them and essentially it has a larger slightly larger tire and it's a hybrid so you can still go fast on the road if you want to like you know if that's something you're into but also when you go to these bumpy more hazardous terrain things you know like you are still comfortable like you're not going to be shaken out of your mind so yeah if you're looking for

a bike and you're not trying to like enter a major race i i've really really enjoyed it it's a road bike you don't have to trip about if you start seeing dirt in front of you and it's a mountain bike that won't feel super fucking slow just on asphalt yeah perfectly put yeah yeah exactly uh and look shout out all the bikes i gained because i wasn't i was also i got a bike recently but i got an electric bike just to kind of like zip around like where I live so I don't have to use my car. I was also looking at that thing like, God damn, these bikes are so much fucking money. But then at the end of the day, you're like, if I'm going to put a lot of time on it, then like you can kind of begin to rationalize like why a quality bike is that. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm not. I don't. It'll be a long time since I buy a bike that is thousands of dollars. Is there any way just everything is expensive right now like i i feel like every everyone i talked to who's like in the market for something like my car lease is coming up and i like went and met with a volvo dealer and they were like yeah so you're looking at like it'll be like two at least two times what you used to pay for your current car for the past three years like at least two times what you used to pay for your current car for the past three years like

at least two times like yeah it's just it's the way the the market is right now is it well the cars are right now especially because of the tech supply chain stuff but that's definitely taking it are we trusting that i feel like we just gave everybody the license we were just like inflation and then everyone was like dope and raise their prices like three times the yeah i still go by the same thing where i'm like if it's too much i'm like no no no i ain't doing that right yeah i'm good i'm good i went to this one place where they were showing me a bike it was six thousand dollars oh my god in my vanity i'm like maybe these big legs of mine deserve a six thousand which is not even it would financially ruin me if i bought a six

thousand dollars was the salesman like legs like those nah you're gonna need one of these six thousand dollar guys and then i started blushing and i lost my ability to see and that's how that's how you get me and and they had like electric like the brakes were or no the shifters were electric so you don't have to press the shifter too hard still a bike that you pedal much of a luxury which is great it's a crazy luxury and i went to this place called atx bikes in austin and they like found me a bike he's like you don't need any of this shit like just get this bike and i did and it's just get this bike asshole this bike take those plumpers coming out of your pelvis and put them on this bike.

And I was like, that's the most disgusting way to speak I've ever heard. Oh, man. Los Ciento. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about the return of Q. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series,

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and the disappearing Sword Quest prizes. We'll follow the quest for lost treasure across four decades. It's almost like a metaphor for the industry and Atari itself in a way. Listen to The Legend of Sword Quest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back and we are joined by super producer Trisha Mukherjee. Hello. Good to be here. Hi, everyone. Yeah. So you, you know, we're reading through Dr. Ray's work and listening to her podcast and you begged us to come on to talk to her about just kind of, yeah, I mean, you put together a nice story, just like highlighting some of the really fascinating aspects of her work. So you want to tease through it?

Yes, of course. Yeah. So I was reading about your work, Dr. Ray, and it was amazing. First of all, I would recommend that everyone listens to your podcast, Going Wild is the name, right? Going Wild with Ray Wingrant. That's right. Named it after myself. Nice. Smart. Good title. And so I was reading, I was seeing all these really adorable pictures of you with baby bear cubs and with like snakes and lemurs and all these other animals. It was great. But as I was looking through these photos and just reading about your work in, you know, the hard science part of it, as well as environmental justice, part of it as well as environmental justice. I was just thinking a lot about people of color in nature, in these fields that focus on the outdoors. I love the outdoors. I really like

long distance cycling and trekking and all these other adventure sport type things. But it's so rare that I see other people of color while I'm doing these things. So I know that you've also talked about this a lot. I wanted to look into why this is, you know, the history behind people of color feeling unwelcome in the outdoors and what we can do about it today. Yeah. You were talking about a book that you read, Black and Brown Faces in America's Wild Places. Yeah. So it was just this book that I came across a long time ago. And it was just the most simple concept. It was just photos of people of color in nature, like happy walking, you know, among the greenery. Imagine that.

Yeah. And I was actually shocked to see it because it made me so happy, first of all. But I was like, why does this look weird? It shouldn't look weird. Like, why has society made this something to marvel at? You know what, Tricia? There are some really beautiful photos of Dr. Martin Luther King and his family in like recreating in nature. And you never see them, right?

Like we always say the same. We see the same pictures of Martin Luther King. And like these photos are beautiful. they also seem like like strange like oh weird like you know it's like what was that photo shoot family yeah like like in like a in the forest you know yeah it's just it's society has given us this idea that like you know we've been socialized to believe that uh people of color don't exist in nature we're like a urban only yeah and like internalized it to the point where i even remember being like no i don't do that like white friends would be like we're gonna go camp i'm like no i don't camp like this is not i'm not i have no concept of people

that look like me doing that so it didn't never occurred to me to engage with nature like in that sense too but I'm sure like anything in this country we have you know we can all we can draw lines back to an earlier time where we completely misunderstood our relationship to each other or the land right right yeah it's interesting because I can remember even a few years ago in ads for companies like REI or Patagonia, all these outdoors brands, it was all white people. And now they've slowly started to kind of realize that it's an issue. And you see more people of color in those ads, which gives me a lot of hope. I mean, I remember the first time I saw a South Asian person in one of those ads and it was great. I was like, well, another one. But yeah,

so it's changing. But if we go way back and we think about this idea of nature in general, we think about the white settlers that came to what is now the United States and how they really just tore apart the lifestyle of indigenous peoples who lived on the land before then. They thought of land as something that needed to be protected, preserved, something that you live in harmony with rather than exploit in this very capitalist settler mindset that eventually became the norm. capitalist settler mindset that eventually became the norm. And when settlers came, they introduced this idea of an untouched wilderness, you know, just trees and forests and rivers, somewhere where nobody lived. And if we dig a little deeper into that idea, you just see that that's not true, because there are people who live with the land, and they live on it, but it's still you know it's still respected um and a proponent of this idea was john muir who's a very famous environmentalist i'm sure everyone's

heard his name um sierra club yeah yep and he said that this land should be set aside for recreation to fulfill an emotional need for wild places which i thought was just an absolutely ridiculous statement because there were so many people especially indigenous peoples who were kicked off that land and like what about their emotional needs and what about their emotional fulfillment um so yeah yeah that his like his him constantly like romanticizing like the wild lands that were basically free of indigenous people, you know, really opened the door for this kind of like exclusionary thinking. And like, who gets to enjoy the environment? Like would always juxtapose like the beauty of the landscapes, but these dirty faced, half happy,

you know, like just all kinds of like terrible derogatory statements about indigenous people, black people. of like terrible derogatory statements about indigenous people black people and he always would say like he used a quote that these indigenous people quote seem to have no right place in the landscape which we saw that kind of like extend to like of like especially like in colonial africa as like game reserves are opened up the same idea of like oh people have lived here for centuries no i don't know this is a theme park for white tourists like the masai people were just kicked out of certain places like there's a lot of history of just like the same thinking of like hi nature nobody should be here unless it's us just looking at it to just take a load off and and that's also like so reactionary like right i agree with what y'all are both saying and i think john muir is such a good example because he is he and his way are romanticized in our society because he like he was like thinking about solutions.

Right. Like there was a problem and he's like, oh, a solution is to do this. But I I get frustrated when like I feel like no one talks about the problem he was trying to find a solution for. Right. The problem was that like white men on this continent like decimated all of nature. And then at some point we're like, oh, oh, shoot. Like like we like if we don't stop and like preserve a little bit, we're going to have none left. I have an idea. Like what if we ask John Muir to like create national parks for us? Like, so yeah, that was a solution. It one harmed people, you know, two, it didn't like work the way we wanted it to. It was completely unfair, unjust and inequitable, but also like a like a better thing to do would be to like have like

not done all of that like development of the land and destruction of you know wildlife and wild communities and wild places to begin with and no one's talking about that because that was done by the same like social group of people right right like teddy like, we need national parks. Teddy Roosevelt killed countless animals. We cannot count how many wild animals he killed across the world. He killed so many animals for fun, for sport, not to eat them. And then he's the same person being like, hey, let's do a national park thing. Like, that's being environmentally friendly. Like, what? Like, these people were hypocrites.

And it is very unpopular in my line of work to call that out. So I appreciate y'all doing it. I appreciate y'all, like, trying to really reimagine how we talk about environmental history, especially from the American perspective. But, you know, just in general, like our society and like the environmental movement does not largely accept that these people were problematic. Yeah. Which is wild because I remember at the time people were defending, I remember, you know, the head of the Sierra Club in the summer of 2020 was sort of like, hey, if we're going to talk about fort bragg and these confederates and like renaming stuff we should really look at people like john muir and things

like that and a lot of people like we can't be applying these purity tests or trying to say look well look at all the good that he did sure but to then like ignore that and also say that the way the like the early conservation movement was even looking at like what people's relationship was to the land kind of put us put a lot of terrible momentum behind like this ideology now is obviously worth like examining does that like tense like so what's as it stands right is that tension still exists between conservationists where some people are like we just got to keep this nice and that's it just conserve that that versus people like, oh, we're completely ignoring the heaviest part of this conversation. It's a mess.

Really? It's a mess. And I don't want anyone to think that like it's doom and gloom and there's no reason to have hope. Like that's not it. But basically the model of conservation, like to Tricia's point, has always been a neocolonial white supremacist patriarchal model. Always like we don't have a new one that is like globally accepted. And so I would say like these days there are enough like revolutionary radical thinkers in the conservation movement that are like helping to like reject these ideas but in general like conservation is still a neo-colonial force like both within and

outside of this country and i'll just like add in a little science tidbit right like instead of the like social stuff like one of the main science tidbits that is also super challenging is that the majority of wild animals and in particular, like large carnivores, like I study, like, like the big ferocious, like toothy ones live outside of protected areas. Like most of them, like almost all of them. So it's like many of them live in a protected area. Like if you go to Yellowstone, you're going to see some bears.

And that is cool. But most bears live outside of yellow stone and outside of yosemite and outside of these places in places that are not protected areas that are just like regular spots yeah yeah like i feel like yeah and so it's like obviously the protected area system hasn't been a good model for many many social reasons but also for like actual scientific reasons it's not like hitting it. Like these animals, like they're not like fenced.

Yeah. These animals aren't like, Oh, like I just stepped outside my boundary. Like, let me pull up a map and make sure. Yeah. It's like,

it's like largely not working. And yet like protected areas have popped up all over the world because a few of these men like from 120 years ago thought like you know didn't think twice and just like went for it and to miles your your point about like there there was a reckoning with the you know white supremacist john muir and um you know his role in founding the um sierra club so i just went to yosemite with uh my family and it felt like we had traveled to like a monument to john muir like all the parks and trails had signs quoting his wisdom and there were you know stories about him coming to the land for the first time

like he had just discovered it you know yeah yeah um he looks like a confederate general uh and it's you know you can't decouple like his white supremacist viewpoint from all of that and the And the work that he's deified for involves ignoring or outright being hostile towards the people who were already there. Yeah. Do they have his quotes about how he spoke about black people in Georgia when he first encountered them? I don't think they have that. How well trained they were, as he put it. Yeah. That's the funny thing.

We have this way of being like, but all this other good stuff. But all this other good it yeah like that's the funny thing is like i you know we have this way of being like but all this other good stuff but all this other good stuff and that's true that's true too and so is this yeah and you have to reckon with all of that and you have to say how influential this person was and how much like even when they say like well he never like actually supported some of these other racists that like hung on to every word he said. It's like, yeah, but he never actually denounced it either. And that and that and that creates the space for other people to be like, well, maybe. And he knew that creating protected areas was destroying communities.

And like, you know, whether it was like direct or indirectly killing people, like literally like ruining people's lives. It was people of color. So it was like, eh, that's okay. Well, the very first like public park, it wasn't officially Yosemite yet because it was way back when, but it was where Yosemite is now. And that park was created by literally just slaughtering hundreds of indigenous people to like have that as a space of enjoyment. And like, hey, what could be more American? It's awful. On this place where you ignore, like you're having a good time, but still has to like work within the confines of like the system that my job is in.

But like, like indigenous people still exist. Like, like they existed in abundance in the past, but like they still exist in abundance. And so like, it's not like they were slaughtered and died. And now we have these national parks, like, like folks deserve to have their land back, you know, like they're asking for it, they're demanding it, like it goes without saying it is deserved. And so, you know, someone like me, I often struggle with feeling so hypocritical because I work in protected areas, right? Like I like study large carnivores in protected areas while holding the view that like, if I had're doing better. We're creating conservation solutions. We have more animals when like people and communities are still obstructed from, from, from engaging in and stewarding their land the way that they want to. I have a good feeling

that like a lot of indigenous communities would choose to like do wonderful quote unquote conservation work. They probably wouldn't call it conservation, but just like conservation-ish work on these landscapes. But even if they didn't want to do that, they should be able to do whatever they want. And it's really like a tension that I have within myself where I'm like, okay, you know, sometimes I try to give myself a break and say this is the best I can do is do my job within the confines of the structure. But land back, in America at least, is something that I think the people who believe in it don't necessarily have the power to make it come true. And that's really, really frustrating because there are people out there who have the power and land back is quite literally like anathema like it's the antithesis of manifest destiny it's like what land back right uh no we got here being like god told me i could have this and now you're saying take backs no no no no no no like i feel like that like people feel like that's like unfair you know i have to say i do a lot of work in like parts of like rural, the rural American West, which is always an adventure. Yes.

And it is interesting because there's like a lot of folks out there like, you know, again, I'll use like some cattle ranchers as an example who are really kind of grappling with the fact that like, it's an uncertain future in cattle ranching, right? Like just because of the economy and society and just the market, like it's just not, it used to be super profitable and it's not, that guarantee isn't still there. And so a lot of folks are kind of like, oh, should our family continue to cattle ranch? Should we like sell our land? And I just like sit around there being like wow wow like a lot of people still consider this to be their land because their great great granddaddy you know took it right exactly but like i don't see people having conversations about like the equitable choice here right which i'd imagine there's a scientific argument for all of that. You know, like I can't imagine science should argue against it. Like, no, no, no, they're going

to, they're good custodians of that land and we shouldn't. No, yeah, there is a scientific argument. I mean, worldwide, globally, one thing that we know and that we have been able to prove as scientists is that poverty and environmental wellness are directly linked to each other. So we cannot necessarily achieve like a healthy environment without alleviating or eliminating poverty. And we can't alleviate or eliminate poverty without creating a healthy functioning environment and healthy ecosystems. And so land back is a really good argument for alleviating poverty in many places, which thus helps the environment be healthier and stronger and more resilient. And yet it's like, it's just like easy, you know, it's hard to break out of these molds at which

we've been taught and to really decolonize this whole perspective and approach to conservation. But really like when communities of people are healthy and well, the environment is more likely to be healthy and well and vice versa. Right. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll keep talking about this. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

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yeah because so a recent study from ucla asked teens what kind of stories they wanted to see on tv and they were like tv huh oh for real okay i, you mean like that shit my aunt watches? But I mean, it really shows, right, that like, it's the results aren't really surprising, given how savvy like, younger people are. One of the biggest takeaways that they were talking about was that in terms of television content, they do not want to see aspirational shows. Less than 5% of the respondents in the survey said they were interested in shows about kids with like impossible, lavish lifestyles, like, you know, like Gossip Girl entourage type shit

where it's like, whoa, look, oh my God, take me to your world of excess. Not really into that anymore. A whopping 21% want shows that deal with real world issues like family dynamics or social justice. They don't want sanitized portrayals of the world they are experiencing. Essentially, they don't, they don't care to see these like very, you know, cookie cutter, like sort of versions of what they see as like a world rot with problems that need to actually be like wrangled with goes on to say,

quote, Hollywood has built its young adult content on the belief that teens want to see glamorous lifestyles and rich and famous characters. But our research research suggests the opposite is true. We know from this and our racing class in teen TV study, the majority of teens feel isolated and upset when media lack accurate identity representations like they aren't they look at this and go this is not real who is that that's not a real person you know nearly 27 wanted more black male heroes and 35 wanted more

white male villains. And rather than aspirational stories, they want underdog stories about people beating the system or overcoming oppression. Like it's truly the status quo of like, and everyone lived happily ever after in their impossible apartments in the Upper West Side. Like that's not really moving the needle. And I think young people have felt like this for a while.

Millennials, we didn't really have any options. So we were always just like, I don't know what's on the big seven channels. Right. And we'll kind of take that for what it is. But because of social media, it's offering a lot of people different options. Like 55% of these kids said that they prefer social media in it's offering a lot of people different options. Like 55% of these kids said

that they prefer social media in terms of like entertainment because it's where the authentic content lives. Right. It's there. There's not the barrier and the, you know, nobody is demanding that every work of social media, it like goes, gets approved by a 55 year old white guy who's completely out of touch with fucking everything right you know exactly like that that makes total sense and it also like things are moving so quickly and it makes sense that this generation would be even more different for like in terms of their tastes and stuff given that like the information and entertainment environment like ecosystem that they grew up in is totally foreign from the one that people five years older from them grew up in right like you could go on you could go on tv and watch you know something

on cnn where they're going to be talking about like, well, what really is on Hunter Biden's laptop? Or you can go on TikTok and like watch somebody make a funny sketch about like American imperialism in Asia. Right. And you're like, damn, this is fucking true and funny. And a topic that they won't discuss. It's just it's a subject matter. I won't see or all kinds of like any other sort of interest you might have is sort of either you're going to get this really mainstream sanitized version on television or it's just not there at all like you're not represented on television at all so of course you know like as consumers younger people like well i don't i'm not interested in this like sort of you know

monotone version of what you know reality is based on hollywood development like meetings right yeah but the i guess the the problem i don't know what like people have argued that like tiktok is bad because it has like no fact checker working on it sure i think that's almost definitely true i would say like the the problem with that is like, like half the time, like, you know, there's like the New York Times doing something just absolutely terrible. Exactly. You know, so then, I mean, it kind of goes out the window. I mean, it is a huge problem. You know, you get kids get there, like, you know, like my, like my son is so like, well, you know, versed in politics.

It's great. Like, and he's learned it all from social media, you know, I mean? I think, but, and he's definitely formulated pretty smart opinions. I, at least coming from my vantage point, you know, like where they're like, they're nuanced and he's like, yeah, obviously I don't take it at, you know, face value what I'm seeing, but, but I don't know if it's any better than the New York times. I mean, yeah, I was going to say that like the TikTok at least is like, just like firing random lies at the wall of all different directions. Hey, cook your chicken in NyQuil.

The New York Times misinformation is coordinated and all going in the same direction to the point that you could easily be mistaken into thinking mistaken to thinking like that is that's that's just reality yeah i mean just on paper they're they're both there are plenty of campaigns on like traditional media or social media that are made to create some sentiment that isn't there for sure but i think yeah it's like what what are you dealing with that's different by looking at the two and i think you know one of the things that they just talk about is just if you are, because I think most people are savvy. Like, man, I guess most people that I know that are like younger and looking at TikTok seem to be pretty savvy where they're they don't always just accept everything they see is like gospel truth, like that they are a little bit, you know, suspicious. Yeah, well, it's easier to be savvy with those two. I mean, like with the New York Times, for instance, like when i read the new york times i still don't understand where they're

coming from like you know like i don't like like what is the end goal with those guys like you know when it went like obviously do a lot of great reporting but like when there's one of these pieces that's like just absolutely like pushing this like this agenda this, this New York times agenda. We're all kind of like, okay, I know what this is like doing it again, but then you're like, who's doing this? And like, why? And, and I don't even understand who these people like, like there isn't like a, a group of people who really support that other than the New York times themselves. It's like, it's yeah, it's interesting. I was thinking about this with regards to inflation, right? Because I, that was like a question that keeps occurring to me as they write about inflation and the story they're telling is like not convincing, not interested. in this world of like supply and demand where like it's like this zero gravity theoretical world of

you know inflation and you know the rates and this and it's like it makes me wonder if they're pitching stories that are more grounded in reality and people's like day-to-day experiences and you know what you actually hear on earnings calls and like see companies doing like if they're pitching those stories and somebody at the editorial level is like no right about how it's because people ask for too much money and raises you know yeah, like, or, or is it that all of these, I think it probably is somewhere between that and all these New York Times journalists, like went to these Ivy League schools that teach you that you are like a better person. You are a higher, higher

level of person because of these like technocratic truths that you are steeped in about like because you took econ from like somebody who is like a world striding fucking captain of industry and so you like you have very deep inside of you this connection between this overarching narrative that like it can all be explained with math and you know moving things around and it is actually a meritocracy like that that kind of ties into your overall view of yourself and so like the at a cellular level at a like journalist by journalist level they are also like bought in to this idea of yeah and that makes sense like the self-confidence that just like this is the way the world is and i

can't possibly see beyond that line right yeah i'm just hearing from like a multiple like journalists of color on twitter all the time saying the same thing. It's like they talk about the world through this worldview because the only people they recruit are coming from a similar worldview. So it doesn't even occur to question what their beliefs are. And on top of that, you're rewarded by the editor based on what your takes are. So if your take is a more employer friendly view of the economy and not a worker oriented view of the economy, not a worker-oriented view of the economy, an editor might reinforce that by being like, well, that person gets a lot of fucking work. Like they get in the paper a lot more than I do because they're talking this way. And it's like any job where you look at, oh, my boss likes this more than this. And to stay stable in my job, there is a certain amount of like tailoring I will do of my own personality or interest to stay in my job to get the plaudits that I want or the positive attention I want from my boss,

et cetera. And it just kind of, and it, and it services itself because at the end of the day, all of these people benefit from the status quo and there's really like, so yeah, of course it bend, bend over backwards, trying to normalize like fascist people like in the U.S. Because what are you going to do? Have a like a real sober analysis on like what the world looks like through the eyes of someone with less money? Because that doesn't really happen. When we have people on here who like guests on the show who are like journalists or like, you know, they're freelance journalists. They're people who work like with mainstream media outlets to, you know, produce a podcast or something like they work in some way in the world of nonfiction. A lot of times the

sentiment like that they seem to give us after we like hit stop on the recording is, wow. So you guys can just like tell the truth on here. Like that, that's, that's crazy. Like it, like the,

they, there's just an unspoken thing at a lot of the places that are like major media outlets that you have to sort of curb what you say, like, in order to get it published. Like, you need to be sort of dancing on both sides of this thing instead of just being like, no, this is fucked. I don't know why we've gotten away with it for so long, but it's crazy to me. Do you know who I'm like? Yeah, I know. Of course. And I think that that shows right that in certain spaces, like you're just conditioned

to know that in a given industry, certain topics are just like third rail issues. Right. And not to say that it's like third rail and that like it's, you know, a fatal mistake you'll make in your in your career but it's something that if you engage in has consequences on some level whether that means you're you may not get the kind of looks that you'd want to get into like a you know a maybe more mainstream publication or even if you're not even necessarily dealing with news that within a given field of study or whatever, things are just spoken about a certain way. And to, to run counter to that is like, you become a boat rocker. Right.

And I think we still like, there's still many areas where like boat rocking is absolutely like a no, no, you know, and there are other places where only recently it's like, okay, let's maybe, you know, let's not places where only recently it's like okay let's maybe you know let's not completely throw someone in the rubbish pile because they're pointing out systemic racism like that used to be shit you couldn't really say yeah well i mean if you look at that like that i'm not well versed enough about this to talk in a recording because i can't remember that much but like that new yorker story where there was there was a new yorker journalist who i believe the woman i think she's a black woman who kind of called out the new yorker and i think new yorker

is just such an example of like oh man like i you know do trust so many people like they're like uh steve cole or dexter filkins like those are some books of like new yorker writers that i'm like oh those are great you know but like everybody turned on her like david remnick turned like they just sold her out sold it on yeah i don't know if you guys know more about that story than i do i just remember kind of reading it on twitter and this is like the most half-assed recital of it but like the you know this is like in the last year in the last like three months i think you know like yeah she like she sent out like a company memo or something and then just got run out, basically. And that's the place where you'd be like, that wouldn't happen because those people are smart and decent and wonderful.

A lot of people would say that. So it's just a surprise. There wasn't more backing for her. I love the New Yorker. I love telling people when I read an article in the New Yorker and talking about it and, you know, just practicing reading comprehension. So I look smart. But the but they like I've I've had my eye on them ever since ever since they covered Havana syndrome with just like perfect credulity and like basically cia talking points i've been like huh like maybe maybe there's more there than meets the eye because they have great writers but like that doesn't stop them from having government contacts that they trade information for or you know but yeah that any mainstream journalistic institution at this point, I feel like, is probably prone to this sort of thing, at least.

It's weird. America, where like, if there is a adjacent controversy to something that's like a truth, it's much easier to pour all your energy into the adjacent controversy than to like, examine the real thing that you need to. So rather than looking, having a full reckoning of, you know, the effects of white supremacy in every industry, it became about white supremacy in policing. Right. And then companies were able to do this thing of like, yeah, and we're going to, and we're getting into it too. Yeah. We're going to, we're going to check. Yeah. We're also going to really heavily invest in this without sincerely doing it. Many places have not sincerely do it because I think there's just like this pattern of like, well, if you grapple enough with the adjacent thing,

you can avoid having a real reckoning with your own shit. But you better go all in on whatever the scandal du jour is because if you don't put all your energy and critique into that, then you will be seen as someone who's not taking a look at the truth here. And we see this all the time. It happened even with like the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

It was much easier for the media to be like, I can't believe a country would invade another country. That is absolute. Those are war crimes. This guy, this is unbelievable while avoiding our own history as a nation doing that. Many other controversies that are comparable, but because they are not white faces,

we'll just ignore it. So again, adjacent controversy gave everybody the license to be like, yeah, and now everybody's feeling good about American foreign policy and shit because of Russia. And we'll always see a thing. It can be any sport or whatever.

There's something near the truth. Just go all in on that because then you can avoid having to really look at your own shit. And then you can continue down this blind path of like repeating the same mistakes while, you know, feeling good about the little bit of attention you gave something for a couple of weeks. Yeah. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist please like and review the show if you like the show uh means the world to miles he he needs your validation folks i hope you're having a great weekend and i will talk to you monday bye Thank you. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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