The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 248 (Best of 10/17/22-10/21/22)

Episode Date: October 23, 2022

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Hello, the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah, so without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the bestselling author of books like John Dies at the End, Zoe Punches the Future and the Dick, and the newly released fourth book in the John Dies at the End franchise. If this book exists, you're in the wrong universe. He's my former coworker at Cracked.com, co-creator of the Cracked podcast. Welcome back to the show, Jason Pargin!

So once again, we did not have a horrible tragedy breakout right before I was about to come on, which is something that I never want to happen on a show where I'm going to be promoting my book because it should be on like the day after a clear national tragedy or some sort of a terrible event that we've been forced to spend the entire episode talking about. Yeah. And then at the very end of it, having to say, well, and also with in this trying time, if you want to be distracted with a piece of like humorous cosmic horror. Yeah. I have written a novel that will, but again, you piece of, like, humorous cosmic horror. Yeah.

I have written a novel that will, but again, you don't, please don't feel pressured. Like, this is a day of mourning. Yeah. I'm trying to think of, like, the worst day to have come on to promote a book that is a, like, humor, cosmic horror novel. Like, we recorded through january 6th like january 6th was happening on our tvs as we were recording that was pretty that would have been pretty distracting i guess yeah that was a little bit tough for sure at least there there's the there was the element of the ridiculous like the guy guy in the Buffalo Horns and stuff like that.

It was obviously horrible, but also there was still plenty that people were making fun of. So it would have to be some truly like another, I don't know, a mass shooting involving a school or something. But it does not look like, now, not to jinx it. Right. Yeah, this doesn't come out until tomorrow. So this episode might just be completely unusable oh jesus well look i mean the lakers and the sixers were robbed uh recently so that was that was a tragedy but we'll get into that we're all coping with that it is the day

after the nba season so for at least half of nba fans you know but, it's good that you at least evoked brought into existence via just, you know, speculation of horrible tragedy. So that's that's at least good. How are you doing, Jason? It's been a while. It's fine. I've become a TikTok influencer. I've noticed. Yeah, I realized a couple months ago around in August that I had to be on there because the audiences elsewhere were just dying off. And it's so hard to watch that happen to Facebook, too, to see their engagement this fall and that stock price this fall.

The good people at Facebook. Yeah, they've done so much for us. But anyway, so I could spend the entire show talking about that because it is, TikTok is unique in that there's no, like you can't hire somebody to run a TikTok for you. Right. Unless you do like a face-off situation because it's got to be your face, your voice. It's not, you're not posting just, you know, like some comedians got a Twitter where all it is is some bot posting the tour dates, stuff like that. Well, TikTok, they don't show it to anybody unless it's your face, your voice. It is the entire point of the app.

It's not for uploading funny clips. It's not for anything else. It is your face and your voice. So suddenly, after spending much of my career, like, not even wanting people to see me and then not wanting people to hear me. And then like joining your podcast, like, well, that's fine. It's just my voice. Now it's like, no, you are judged based on how you look that day. Your, your physical attractiveness will, will to some degree play into how your future books sell.

It's a great world Your personal charisma You didn't have any fun with it Try like a mask or like a mustache So at least you're physically present And it is your voice but you've obscured your sort of appearance If that is a thing People can do I guess that is I could have done that

It's like Jason with the Jason mask Or something you know what I mean Yo this Jason's are actually really insightful. And then that way I could, in fact, just hire some intern to put on the mask and post for me. There you go. And then you just got an audio track. I'm just telling you. What is something from your search history?

My recent search history? Yeah. Just whatever you're willing to divulge. Well, before the grimness of this last week, and I want to avoid that week's very dark search history, but I was most recently Googling and surprised to find that the first Wives Club, which is an old movie, whether it was actually about president's wives, as I thought it was. And it turns out it's not. It's about... The first wife that was divorced from the wealthy guy. Correct.

And how those first wives got together and exact revenge. Oh, okay. Which is like a way more fun movie premise. And I was delighted to find that this was the case because it kept being promoted to me because I've been watching a lot of like, I can't watch anything new. It's too much to process. I've been watching like When Harry Met Sally, Legally Blonde, Clueless. You've Got Mail, maybe. You've Got Mail. This kept getting promoted to me. And I was like, why would I want to watch this movie? And then it turns out, oh, my God, perfect.

Barbara Bush and Nancy Reagan start robbing banks together. Like a set it off type scenario. Tipper Gore can't get in the crew. A lot of tension there. Yeah. Oh, I kind of like first like first wives that like that version did you not watch that film i didn't watch that film no i just remember the posters because they were all wearing white like they were their outfits there was like their the marketing was like here we are because goldie hawn and diane keaton and bet middler bet middler right i think are the three

yeah yeah and but the thing is like if they're all wearing white, doesn't that make you think that it's about, I don't know, suffragette? Ghosts. We went two different. It was either suffrage or ghosts. club made up of first, you know, the first women, first ladies of the from U.S. history. And like, I feel like to get any sort of critical mass, you would have to go to the afterlife. So that's where my mind was. Right. Yeah.

OK. Right. Well, look, it turns out we were all wrong. Right. And it's it's about women exacting revenge for being divorced. From beyond the grave. What is something that will stick with you, George? What is something you think is overrated?

Oh, I have a really good answer for this, not to brag. I think that something that is overrated is oral histories. Okay. Yeah. I just like don't like there's something about it where like either do the work and write a book, or just do a tweet. To do an oral history of the Office episode where Jim and Pam go to the supermarket, I don't need to have quotes from a writer that was like... And then in the room, someone said, what if they go to the supermarket? And we said, no, they can't do that.

That's crazy. I don't need that. And it's very, like, loosely edited. So it makes sense that you as an editor would be anti this. I guess that's true. What about a less readable, just kind of loose grouping of source quotes? Right. And it's also sometimes, like, you know, if there's like an episode of a show you like,

actually the best thing you can do is just re-watch that episode. You don't need an oral history of how it came to be. Hmm. Hmm. Well.

Wow. Where are you going to get the tidbits? Where are you going to get the tidbits though? It broke new ground saying it was a grocery store. I mean,

when I saw that they were going to the grocery store, I fucking lost my mind. Sometimes, sometimes an app is so so out of left field. It's not like it's a good ep. You're more like, wait, why did this happen? I'm talking about the dinosaurs series finale.

Do you remember? I mean, it was like this kid's show, and then suddenly it was about all the dinosaurs were getting exterminated by comets. That was a metaphor global warming and it was like whoa whoa whoa whoa i did not me at eight years old did not need to see this yeah i'm like what happened to knock the mama right that's what we came up for is gone they all died i know but i mean that's what we were there for that was we were there for like the henson light of it, rather than, like, the yo, y'all fucked up narrative. Right.

Yeah, so that, I do understand the need for a moral history, but also, George, love and respect your opinions, as always. Yeah, reading them, like, I could, again, like, if we're taking it for a face, like, literally, like, let me hear it. Okay, that's one thing, but reading it is, like if we're taking it for face, like literally, like, let me hear it.

Okay. That's one thing. But reading it is like, oh, I feel like I'm high reading Cormac McCarthy or something. Yeah. Well, it's just like, it's better in theory than in practice. You click on these things and they're like 17,000 words long. And you're like, I don't know. I mean, yeah.

Find the good quote for us and like bring it to the front. Like a journalist. Like pretend you're a journalist. I don't pretend you have an editor and this is a journalistic institution. I don't know. Here's this interview I did with that guy. Yeah. Listen to it.

Yeah. Like the the the true story behind the dinosaurs episode maybe maybe is like one really good quote. Yeah. I think we can all agree that's the one we need. Yeah. I mean, I feel like we just dj daniel right now because his dad yeah his dad my my uncle actually wrote on dinosaurs and really yeah fuck it just call him get the oral history right now right now should we do it hey what the fuck was up with

that man just like now he works for a environmental non-profit so he he had i think before that he was pro oil industry and then as that episode came together and now he's actually one of the girls who threw soup at the van gogh painting yeah he throws that's that's what his he was taking videos he likes to be behind the scenes yeah they feel strong very strongly about soup based protest yeah yeah it's very specific uh sam what's something you think is overrated okay i think good acting is overrated i don't believe in acting as an art form i think it's on the i think it's on the director to sort of make it make sense sort of like cast properly and like like i think everyone has a different little special sauce but i'm always like okay like i'm like no when someone is like bad at acting in a movie i'm like that's not their fault

they don't know what the hell's going on like it's on the director to tell them what so how right right yeah that's like right a coach putting the worst player on the bench to tell them what how it's supposed to look. That's like a coach putting the worst player on the bench into the starting lineup when you're like, you know that's not the best player, right? It's like, yeah, but he's going to get butts in the seats, so fuck it. And we know that. That's what I feel like. Does Harry

Styles kind of fit into that? That's how I feel about Harry Styles. He's someone who just, they're like, hey man, you should act. He's like, I guess. And everyone's like, boo! I think he's set up to fail but i also just think anyone that's like good at acting like they just have like a lot of times they have like 10 little tricks like it's like i can make my lip twitch like this or like i can right right right i really it's something i for some reason i do not believe in i'm just always always like, yeah, I guess. Like, Sam is not really an actress gay.

I see. No, I'm not an actress gay. He's more of a pop star gay. Got it. Got it. And I would say I'm more of an actress. I do actually appreciate what Sam is saying, because I do think we celebrate acting too much. But I will be the person who's like blown away by a performance. And then I'm like,

have you seen Cate Blanchett in Tar? Right. That was actually the thing that jumped to my mind, even though I haven't seen it. That seems to be the performance that everybody is like. If you're going to go to a movie

to watch a performance this year, that's the one to do it for. But also very well directed. Right, right. You know, it's Sam's words, not her. It's the man. It's the man. It's Todd Field.

Yeah. Give it up. But yeah, I'm going to see Tar tonight, so hopefully Kate teaches me the power of acting. Right. Or just make a scene and be like, honestly don't get it y'all she's waving a stick around for most of the movie it does seem like listen i loved i liked the performance a lot i do think when she's doing the stick stuff she could tone it down a bit oh really it's a lot it's very exaggerated stick acting wow does that go for all conductors i've had that thought every time every single time i've

seen a conductor i've been like you could take it down oh yeah right about 20 matches it was so i remember i played in a youth orchestra like a youth symphony growing up because i'm like super into playing trumpet as a kid and the direct the conductor like a youth symphony growing up because I'm like super into playing trumpet as a kid. And the director, the conductor of that youth symphony was so fucking pretentious. Like it's like he it's like to your point. It's like he has been like watching mixtapes of other conductors of symphonic symphonies and be like, that's the shit you got to get on. Like you got to have nasty long hair, be sweating and like just over like just big animated movements. And he was like a nightmare of a person.

So I give it up to the low key conductors. With a lot of conductors, it does feel like, you know, are you doing this dramatic movement for for for us, the orchestra? Are you doing it for you, the conductor? Like, are you trying to like prove your own importance or are you trying to like keep us in time? And yeah, like. Right. Part of it, I get like if there's a crescendo right and the and the certain section isn't giving it to you enough you got to like

really gesture like yo this is fortissimo you know y'all playing mezzo forte type shit but the i don't know sometimes it does seem like they're doing a solo on it like a like how a rock like santana would do a rock solo on a guitar like oh fuck be like, oh, fuck, man. In the middle of it. Coming for 15 minutes. Or like S.T. Haim, not to bring it back to one of Sam's least favorite musicians. But S.T. Haim's bass face

as they call it. That bass face is wild. I also play bass and I was like, she's feeling it up there. Is there a bad performance that you or something that was like noted for being a bad performance that just like didn't bother you that you'd like ride for? I mean, I don't it's hard to tell what people actually think of the quality of this performance. But Gaga's performance in House of Gucci is like, you like so like funny in a way that i just love like it's like you don't need to be like good you need to be like just giving me something and it's like

that is giving me something that is something to chew on i don't know what it is but it's something that entire movie was like a structural critique of the concept of acting 100 yeah you know what good acting is well this is the most entertaining movie you've seen this year and we are doing just the most ridiculous we are making fun of the idea of acting up here we hope you're good with that and i was i even liked jared leto's performance i thought maybe his best performance today i was like thank you for this i needed this he should i stand by my statement that that character should be the voice of mario in the new i i absolutely agree oh and by the way and by the way you know you know who was not good in that movie? Adam Driver, who was trying to be a good actor.

He needed to put that aside and just be Halloween. Yeah. No, we came here to be spooky, not accurate. Right. Jeremy Irons doing a completely different accent. I was like, yes, you are British. Just be British. Who cares?

Fuck it. Right. Oh, man. accent i was like yes you you are british just be british who cares right oh man what is something that you guys think is underrated mark how about you this actually just came to me just now but i was thinking about and this is very specific but i was thinking specifically about uh charles barkley's performance in a space jam i know it's a Michael Jordan vehicle. However, of the basketball players in the movie, I feel of the NBA players, he gives the most like real grounded performance. He's one of the basketball players that has his powers stolen by the Monstars. And he you see him going to a doctor and people don't believe him that his skills have been taken away. that his skills have been taken away. And so he actually has like a real arc where he's like, he starts out, he's Charles Barkley. I mean, outside of Michael Jordan,

he's one of the best ones doing it. And then one day he cannot do what he is meant to do. And on top of that, people don't believe him for the reason why. And then suddenly his skills and talents come back. Honestly, I feel like if you were

to make another Space Jam, just Space Jam from his perspective. Yeah. And going deeper into that would be like an intriguing story. So. Right. Yeah. That and robes are also underrated.

I feel just like as a garment. Okay. Yeah. I like that too. Yeah. Could you imagine? Yeah. The humanity of that film.

Right. Like he's like, but I've, they don't understand. I'm telling them what happened. Yeah. It's like the diving bell and the butterfly or some shit about. Yeah. It's like but i've they don't understand i'm telling them what happened it's like the diving bell and the butterfly or some shit about yeah it's like yeah i could never fathom what this person is going through right there's this movie safe that was like one of the first julia more like starring movies and it's all about her having an illness that like won't be diagnosed by

modern medicine but like it's super real to her and that it's just like her journey through this thing that people are like, it's psychological, like you're, you're losing it. And then, you know, it doesn't have a happy ending.

It's just like that. It stays there. But that's something that like people struggle with is, you know, there's, what is it? The syndrome where you're like constantly just exhausted, chronic fatigue syndrome. Yeah.

And like that's one where they're like, yeah, man, we don't really know. Sorry. But also so much of our medical system is also doctors being like, well, I get over it. The thing you're actually in here for. I'm like, what? Yeah. I'm physically experiencing this. Like, yeah, yeah.

All right. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. More on that later. Yeah. Like people with the cold. Like you were saying with the cold. People being like, I'm cold All right. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. More on that later. Yeah. Like people with the cold.

Like you're saying with the cold. People being like, I'm cold. You know? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Just, just say, look, they're cold.

They lost their basketball skills. Believe them. Yeah. Believe Charles Barkley. And he, I mean, I do think he is somebody who we've seen is okay with being vulnerable. is okay with being vulnerable like you know even in his personal life like and on on tnt like we'll admit when he fucks up and that maybe that was like an early look at uh charles barkley's vulnerability gear oscar oscar in the future for charles yeah you just need a brave enough director that's the real tarantino like reclamation project that is like charles barkley just right yeah he is our he is our new sydney

potier uh bill what's something you think is underrated i'm you know being from atlanta i think atlanta is underrated way underrated i love atl Atlanta. Mark was born in Atlanta. I can only claim living in Atlanta since the third grade, but I claim Atlanta. I mean, so many things about Atlanta that I love. We got low cost of living. We got excellent weather. What do we don't have? We don't have forest fires. We don't have droughts where we don't have to worry about the oceans getting too big. We're not too close to the oceans. We are the city in the forest. We have more tree canopy than any other city in the entire nation.

48% of Atlanta is trees, parks everywhere. So many things. I feel like sometimes people just think of Atlanta and their only experience is going through our airport, which I also love. Because if I need to go anywhere, I can pretty much get there on a direct flight. Including Korea. It doesn't matter. Always been a huge fan of ATL

and our comedy and art scene here is so great and underrated. Yeah, y'all. That was great, that both that was both convincing and made me mad wait go ahead miles what sorry just as like drought god i'm like hold on i didn't you guys have a drought in like 2007 that was like fucked up we did we did have a drought definitely like i'm just saying like i feel like i've heard drought in atlanta in the

same sentence before but that's i'm just a salty desert person who's living in a place where water shouldn't exist. So that's just my own insecurities. Truly, if you lick Miles's skin, he's very salty. He doesn't get enough water. Yeah. We've we had one for sure. And then, you know, they've created a couple. They've actually done things to hopefully prevent like the reservoir that I don't know if you watch Stranger Things,

but that big... That's now a reservoir where they filmed that giant reservoir. So, hopefully we're okay, though. I don't know, man. With climate change, right now I feel like we've missed the bullet for a lot of these crazy phenomenon going on with storms and droughts and things, but

something's going to come our way. I just hope it's not as bad as what's happening everywhere else. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we've got movies made out here. Can you say that for Atlanta? Yeah, well, you know what?

We won the World Series in the last few... Fuck. What else? What else? 90s classic rap album wait fuck we got better hot no i'm not gonna say we have hot wings in la fuck that uh no you guys win you what is what are the wings what are the wings like out west is that they just eat buffalo wings like hot hot wings like they're not there's a few places like people like to go in the city or whatever but

i there's the the culture around seasoning hot wings like in the mainstream hot wing restaurants you go to like that people are like whoa this new hot wing place opened up they're not doing it right and they're just yeah sadly you know i don't i don't know what else to say you know yeah they fully exist yeah we do not have like you know we don't have jr crickets you know what else to say. They fully exist. Yeah. We do not have J.R. Crickets. You know what I mean? We don't have a thing where you're like,

go to blah, blah, blah, blah. If you're a comedian, they'll go to Yield Rustic in Los Feliz during karaoke night. They're just straightforward chicken wings. I don't know. They don't do it for me. They don't have lemon pepper wet. That's not a thing out there.

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And we're back. And a couple pieces of evidence hitting the media that suggest what I think most of us assumed all along, which is that Trump knew he lost the election from before the election, you know, that it was actually closer than the media thought. And apparently it was closer than he thought it was going to be. And they had the plan to claim that the election was stolen and, you know, yada, yada, yada. He gets to stay president and within that yada yada yada you there has to be some january 6th type event right you don't just get to you know imagine your way into remaining president so yeah the past few days i've just repeatedly been reminded of that michael che as lester holt sketch where he's just

like i think i think at the time it was actually trump admitting he fired comey because the rush investigation right and che was like wait so i did i get him is this all over and then he like gets a thing in his earpiece and he's like no i didn't nothing matters absolutely nothing matters and in that yeah so i mean we've come a long way since thinking that him admitting that he fired james comey because he was investigating russia seemed like a gotcha moment like now it's just smoking guns raining out of the sky and like you need to take shelter from all the smoking guns because it's just yeah we like it's not even a question of like whether he did something wrong it's like what whether he knowingly did something wrong and had like

premeditated it and will be able to like prove it in a court of law so he's not allowed to run for president again right and it seems like maybe it's so the january 6th committee just played footage of Steve Bannon saying he's going to declare victory. But that doesn't mean he's a winner. He's just going to say he's a winner, which is a pretty accurate description of what Trump did. But that audio is from Halloween night before the election. So like four nights before the election happened. Wasn't there also talk that he was trying to declare victory before the election even happened i i'm not sure like this so that there was all kinds of harebrained

ideas that he was throwing out there i think in pursuit of this like basically i don't know what the fuck i'm gonna do if this is gonna be l city or something right where one of them was like just to preemptively be like nah one and they're like that's like so that's not how so that's not how any of it works right okay there's there's also uh roger stone told trump supporters on november 1st that the election would likely remain too close to call on election night the key thing to do is to claim victory possession is nine-tenths of the law which have you seen that clip of stone saying that no rogers dude he's a fly dude i gotta find this he's fucking off his shit like so violent he's like fuck you we won hold on i gotta hold on i'm gonna find this clip because it's really that's the one on november 1st because that that

this one is before the election happened yeah there's one where he's talking to like these dudes and like outside of his car about the nine tenths of the law thing. And he, like he goes on to say like, it's nine tenths, like, you know, possession is nine tenths of the law.

We want, fuck you try and do something about it. We'll fucking fight you kind of a thing. And they kind of just sort of clip out the whole, I got to find it. Okay, here we go. Now we can hear it.

So this is November 1st. We november first i suspect it'll be i really do suspect it would still be up in the air when that happens the key thing to do is to claim victory possession is nine-tenths of the law no we won fuck you sorry over we won you're wrong fuck you like that's that was him like rallying him up like and that's talking to these people who are you know basically like they're far-right goons on the ground to just sort of seed this idea of like just fucking run with this and don't worry about what the fuck they say like this is like and i think just saying like doesn't matter if we won or lost because at the end of the day we're not fucking leaving so fuck you there were emails flying around from advisors like October 31st. Again,

we had an election day today and I won is his suggested remarks, even though they're like anticipating losing or it being too close to call. Greg Jacob, who was vice president, Pence's counsel learned days before election day from Pence's chief of staff, Mark Short, that Trump planned to prematurely announce that he had won. So it's like everybody knew this. Robert Costa tweeted Thursday he had seen texts from that night from some aides indicating they realized declaring victory was Trump's plan and that White House lawyers were alarmed, but presumably not alarmed enough to do shit. Speaking of not alarmed enough to do shit secret service apparently knew about january 6th and that they were going to try and assassinate mike pence on january 6th like ahead

of the event that's another thing that is being indicated by i really worry more evidence yeah i think you know like in that line of like white house lawyers were alarmed like no they weren't but thank you for adding that into your journalism to try and like give them some cover. Like if they would have seen a much more massive follow up. But either way, I mean, as the trial, as we've seen from the trial and then even Trump's response to them, you know, being like, well, I think we need to subpoena him. It it was it's everything has been clear from the second he was even questioning the, like, like voter fraud in the summer of 2020.

And I don't like, I, I understand they've done their work. We've done like, we've, we've reached night nine of Coachella at this point, we've closed it out, but I'm just like,

where the fuck is this going? That's it. But I'm just like, where the fuck is this going? That's it. Are you actually going to reform the laws to like protect something like this from happening again to like have more rigid legal structures that someone can't just be like, fuck you. It's nine tenths of the law. Or is it just going to be a thing where it's like, I don't know, we tried y'all. And now the Republicans have taken over the house and all they're going to do is start all kinds of committees and shit just to flood the zone with bogus like investigations to just prop

trump up for 2024 like that seems like what the plan is now yeah and i don't see anything in the playbook that suggests that's not going to work like i don't know what the january 6th committee is going to do that would suggest that that's going to work. Like, I still think there is this part of their brain that is still stuck in, like, you know, mainstream Democrat thinking where they were the ones who tried to help Trump win the Republican primary because they thought it was going to be easy to beat like i still think they're like well you know if trump is the nominee that wouldn't be all bad for us because he's going to be like convicted of all these things or like easily convictable in the court of public opinion and it's like you don't you don't understand how little of a shit people give about that who who are inclined to support him and like it's just we're still in the position where you know republicans aren't going to do shit to stop this and you know the like the only alternative to the mainstream like we'll let the market handle it corporations are the ones actually making the decisions option that we've been running with for the past you know however many decades is fascism

like that they're they're going to run that and i don't know it still is very scary it's a it's pretty dark times i guess i think it's pretty cool i think you know maybe we'll see that maybe we'll see the end of this fucked up experiment in this country but uh yeah it's you know we're we continue to just like look at these like existential threats like directly in the eye and i'm just kind of like feeling like that lester holding like all right so what so we Oh, nothing matters anymore. Got it. And I think I think the most Republicans would do is just not be so forceful in defending him.

And I think they if if they are going to let, you know, try and purge him, it's going to be very passive. passive and it'll be in the hopes that he's just fucked himself over legally to the point that they're like yeah like we're not gonna really come to your aid but we're not gonna we're not gonna rah-rah the left either and just let that happen like you know because luckily the supreme court like rejected hearing you know his attempt to overturn that decision in the documents case right so the special minister the special minister gambit yeah and also like what they say doesn't really matter because again there's no energy behind mainstream democrats or mainstream republicans the energy is behind trump so i don't know it's and it's also i mean it ties to this next story about fetterman v oz and like some of the like the knives coming out

for john fetterman this is somebody who's you know outside of the mainstream and like some of the like the knives coming out for John Fetterman. This is somebody who's, you know, outside of the mainstream and got some actual energy. Yeah. Like ish. I mean, I'm not going to paint him as like some far left foot. Half a foot. He is half a foot outside of the mainstream. Right. It's enough to have gotten energy and gotten people excited supporting him.

And it just feels like they don't they don't have the appetite to protect him or like do the things they normally do to get people elected right yeah i mean well right now like obviously you know the polling has had john fetterman in the lead because people like yeah okay clearly as a binary people are like i like fetterman over this hollywood goon but his lead has been shrinking we've been talking about that thanks to like you know fear-mongering around crime and you know having journalists like equivocate recovering from a stroke to like being a sociopath that may not deserve to be in office or like incapable of holding office right and a lot of observers of the of this Senate race have said, like, look, it's clear right now that Oz's tactic is shifting to try and suppress the black vote, like bringing up like this, you know, when Fetterman pulled like a shotgun on a black jogger because he thought like, oh, this might be someone involved in this like other crime.

OK, Fetterman, like, oh, that's not the best look for you, homie. But he said, look, I was a mistake, blah, blah, blah. It seemed that the people who were supporting him had moved past it. But like a few groups have been dumping millions of dollars into like amplifying that. Or, you know, this just the general optics around Oz being a more like I'm down with the black community type energy. And it's it's interesting because half of it isn't necessarily that Oz is trying to court the black vote. He's also just trying to suppress the black vote because it wants to not turn out for Fetterman. Because if you look at exit polls from 2020, black people made up around 11% of the electorate. Joe Biden got 92% of that vote. Donald Trump got 7% of that. So I think, you know, if you're playing the strict numbers game of your, you know, 50% plus one math that all the people in the campaigns are doing, you have to find those margins to try

and shave off to eke out your win. So, last month in September, Oz went like all in on showing the Black community he understands the plight. And he had an event in Philly where this black woman comes up and they were saying he was holding like a safer streets type meeting to talk about gun

violence in the city. And this black woman, you know, she's holding a poster of some of her family members who had succumbed to gun violence. And I'll just play this for you because this was like a moment where like the local news covered it as like just sort of like a like this campaign event that dr oz was throwing what his campaign called a safer streets community discussion where armstrong shared the story of losing both her brother who was shot on his porch and a nephew my nephew at the time of his murder was only 14 years old i'm honestly angry and fed up with the system i'm fed up with the system that is playing playing politics with the lives of us that live in these communities so dr oz in that thing he's like looking at her he's like oh wow wow like there's a photo that like the newspaper ran where she's in

tears and he's like consoling her the ap wrote this as this is what they're reporting as sheila armstrong grew emotional and recounting how her brother and nephew were killed in philadelphia dr memedaw is sitting next to her inside a black church their chairs arranged a bit like his former daytime tv show set placed a comforting hand on her shoulder later he gave her a hug and said how do you cope and they just ran with that. Okay. The problem with all this is that this woman, Sheila Jackson is a paid staffer for Dr. Oz. Like she's not someone from the community. She works on the campaign. She was sharing pics on her Instagram of her new Oz campaign business cards about how she's like organizing, the philadelphia county like organizer type

thing and if you look at the fec filings the federal election commission she's receiving payroll payments like she's not she's like they got receipts like you are you are being funded by dr oz and this is just so fucked up because i'm not sure what her motives are but oz definitely knows what the fuck he's doing here because he is using like black bodies as props to like make himself seem like he gives a fuck about the community and we see this all the time with politicians like i still haven't forgotten kente cloth fest at the capital rotunda in 2020 uh with the democrats like i've still haven't like this is just it's just his virtue signaling without any action. And the wild shit is for all the Dr. Oz.

Oh, my God, honey. How do you cope with the gun violence? Listen to his answer when like the local reporters again are asking. They're like, hey, man, can we ask you about like what your plan is with? I don't know. Fucking gun control. Something not in the plan he put out today. One thing that that your

plan does not talk about uh is guns gun violence what can voters expect from you on that would you oppose any additional gun restrictions he was just in this church talking with this woman talking about oh the plight of gun violence right like using that for emotional points and then they're just asked okay so what's your platform well we have a new gun law and i'd like to see what happens with it i'm happy that we have a lot of money for mental health in there and that's a big problem for violence way beyond guns uh but i tell you most of i'm sorry what that's a big problem for violence way beyond guns. That's his fucking plan. You know what I mean? Like this is,

it's just like so disingenuous on its face that you're going to then use this woman's like legitimate loss of family to then go out there and be like, I don't know, gun control. I don't know, man. I just said that just so like I could, you know,

embrace like this crime. One moment later, gun control. Yeah. I don't give a fuck, man. Like let it rock. Yeah. I feel like give a fuck, man. Like let it rock. Yeah.

I feel like he should have like, if he's going to go, I think it's going to go as far as to like have like somebody on his payroll to like tell their story. Like, I'm like, you should have just like gotten paid like an interviewer, you know, to ask you those questions after we like just like throw softballs at you. Right. Yeah. Go full Stalin, you know, right. This like alternative reality. I mean, you know, a lot of people were noticing too, like even at that church event, there was this one state, like local representative, it was like, he was like, that event was happening in his district as a state legislator and he wasn't invited. So he was like that event was happening in his district as

a state legislator and he wasn't invited so he had to like force his way in to see what was going on i was like yo y'all are in my community like what's going on here and he showed there were there were more journalists there than people participating in this event you know what i mean like and the media didn't cover that like they were just showing that side of it this guy was showing the reverse view of like the people that were like on this quote-unquote panel looking back there may be three people seated and a lot of people notice that some of the other people of color that have been involved in these events like you've seen my campaign ads and things like that so it's just this like you know just very lazy way of like astro-turfing or pretending you have some kind of legitimate alignment

with a given community but it's like at this time like that a lot of people like hey dr oz what's up with that haven't heard a comment back yet but it won't matter because you know the hypocrisy doesn't really matter to the right but it's just a stark reminder of how like continue to use like people as props communities as props like like a much larger issue it can be any given issue that we just see all this like disingenuous like oh man i'm with you but where are your votes what legislation are you backing like who are you taking money from and what are their aims when it comes to gun violence or well we got a new gun law, and there's a lot of stuff in there about mental health.

Oh, my bad. I couldn't be more vague. What's on your platform? What can people expect from your platform, Dr. Oz, not existing legislation? I think I read about something with mental illness. Anyways, I'm going over to Gino's

to prove that I have been to Philadelphia. And Pat's. And I'll be at Geno's and Pat's holding up today's issue of the newspaper so that you can tell that I was, in fact, here on the dates in question. Thank you. No further questions, Your Honor. Hey, and I just want to practice my Philadelphia accent with you guys. Go Eagles! Alright.

That's been Dr. Oz. Yeah, Fetterman's already been slamming him. He's like, this guy's a Cowboys fan. He doesn't support the Eagles. And people were responding to it. Again, it's just such a bizarre race trying to figure out

at the end what is going to actually win out what message is going to win but right you know if you continue like this sensational shit around people suffering for you know campaign points right and just again i mean nothing nothing new but just my god just so so fucking lazy like people like your campaign staffers. Right. I remember when they used to just get people off the street and give them money. What happened to that day of wrangling fake support for a campaign? The good old days.

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this fucking good it's in the title uh yeah because already i have a book that if i describe it, it comes off as like, oh, so it's like a book version of Rick and Morty. Right. Like these two, it's like this guy and he's kind of crass. But also there's weird stuff coming from other universes and that you're always like dissecting some sort of a sci-fi trope in some horrible way. And it's very profane sense of humor. It's like, okay, listen, I started writing this in like 2000.

This is, people who write Rick and Morty had not even been born when I started writing. I don't want to hear it. Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's always been like fun multiverse stuff in your books. So that just made me want to, like, I think a lot about the multiverse.

Do you think of it as like a fun plot device to play with? Or is it a actual like scientific theory you take seriously? How do you think about it? So I have read books about the many worlds interpretation of physics. And by books, I mean, I have watched two TikToks from Hank Green explaining it, of course, about four or five minutes. Oh, they're long ones. Those are long ones.

Wow. Okay. I do not understand, because the multiverse, the way it's presented in Hollywood, where it's like sliding doors, where it's human decisions that cause realities to split, that is not, that's not the theory. That would be extremely weird if the entire universe, all the particles in the universe pivoted on humans, human decision making and this one animal on this one planet.

That would be very strange. It is a very complicated thing where every particle in the universe, I guess, you start getting into wave functions. I guess you have to know what a wave function is for this to make sense and that it collapses in like infinite ways. So there's like every time a particle enters into a quantum state, it splits the universe again. So there's when you say there's infinite universes, it's literally trillions upon trillions upon trillions of universes and that there's no way to like travel from one to the next. So the theory in my mind exists just as nonsense, kind of like trying to figure out how time travel would work, which is the answer is that it wouldn't. But as a plot device, it's fantastic For the same reason that time travel is, because it is usually, and the film that, everything, everywhere, all at once, what that film did so well, that's what multiverse movies are about, which is they're about regret.

And it's about wondering what kind of life you could have lived. And same thing with most time travel plots, that's what it is. You're going back and trying to change something. And then in the course of it, you learn something about yourself. And this is why usually when in the movie, they start explaining the science of the time traveler, the science of the multiverse. They usually skip over it because that's not the point. These are stories about people and it works as a plot device because it's about, well, what would have happened if it turned out that the spider-men from the different franchises all existed actually in parallel universes and they all had slightly

different methods and then they all met each other yeah you get a movie that i could barely follow and i did not find very interesting at all but i'm glad other people enjoyed it but you're talking about the uh not not the animated spider-verse one you're talking about the latest no no the one with uh with uh all the why can I not remember the names of any of the Spider-Man actors? Tom Holland? Holland. Tom Collins. Tom Collins mix.

Oh, Jesus. Yeah. And, you know, Topher Grace, right? From that 70s show. That's Andrew. Oh, yeah. Make use of real name. Don't make up Topher. Please. Come on. Don't make up to Topher.

Not please. Imagine an actor being named Topher. Nah, can't. Hey, he took the other part of Christopher, man. That's like, he's just like, when you zig, that guy zags. And that's what's cool about him. There's some ethnic background to that name that we're actually saying something incredibly insensitive. We apologize.

If TOFR is actually, if it actually has important meaning in some ethnicity, we've meant no harm by that. But anyway, back to what I was saying. No, I love it as a plot device in terms of, you know, is it real? It is my understanding, according to what I just read on Wikipedia 30 minutes ago, that the many worlds interpretation is believed by a majority of physicists. They actually did a poll and something like 70 percent, like because I guess the alternate explanation of why particles behave the way they do is even weirder than the many worlds interpretation, where it's like, no, it all exists simultaneously. And that's why when you try to observe them, there's a curious thing where it like collapses into a waveform of your reality.

But it could just as easily have been another state. It's every attempt to explain it. People will say, look, we're going to make it very, very simple. We're going to explain it like you're five. I apparently need it explained like I'm three. Right. Yeah. Because I just it totally loses me it's the same thing when a physicist on youtube or somewhere is trying to explain how the universe is always expanding and then you ask the obvious question well what

is it expanding into right and and they're like well nothing that's like well okay throw a smoke bomb down and exit the room but like ineffect, like when a physicist tries to use a smoke bomb to exit the room, it takes like three smoke bombs. So it's a thing where I guess if you try to use what you know about the world to understand it, you're immediately lost because it just doesn't line up with anything you understand about how physics works or anything. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's like the, when you get down to a quantum level, like particles start doing two different things at the same time. That was it for me. I was like, all right. So I don't know. My brain, when I was on too many drugs as a teenager, my brain actually was right about everything, it turns out,

and that I would need to get back on that many drugs to understand or even conceive of this. And that's not good for me. So I'm not going to do that. I'll leave it to the physicists and to Jason Pargin to write about it. People do understand that the times you see Neil DeGrasse Tyson, his whole Twitter is

just complaining that movies that their science is wrong or whatever. He's a comic book guy. You do understand that whenever you have a plot device like this, it's always just an excuse to tell a human story and that no writer actually cares about the science stuff. Even stories that seem like they're very based in research, like The Martian, there's probably a million reasons why that story could not actually have happened the way it's depicted.

It's just, you know, it ultimately is about loneliness and isolation and having to overcome it and hope and all that stuff but people care about stories people like stories because they are about people not because they are about physics right i remember people were like actually that's not how you'd get water on mars i felt was like the one science take when the Martian came out. It's like that would actually, that's not how you would actually do it on Mars. But go off, Matt Damon. Go off then. I only trust Matt Damon when it comes to crypto.

I don't know. Thank you. Nowhere else. Fortune favors the broke. Yeah. Or the bold. Just very, very briefly. I'm not going to go off on this. Listeners, if you hear about an investment opportunity in a commercial at the Super Bowl, you're not getting in on the ground floor.

The people who are currently holding the bag are trying to get rid of it, and they're trying to lure in rubes to buy the asset that they know is about to go bad. See, if it was like a gold mine already, they wouldn't tell you about it. They would just collect the gold for themselves. The moment they pay millions of dollars to try to get you into crypto, they were trying to get you to hold the bag, and then the price immediately collapsed after that. That was on purpose. When the thing they're selling is nothing, be a little wary of that.

Because that's, yeah, it doesn't add the whole. I feel like at this point, so much of the market has broken down into Ponzi scheme. Like it's just all. Yeah. So be wary. All right. That's going gonna do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist please like and review the show if you like the show uh means the world to miles he he needs your validation folks uh i hope you're having a great weekend and i will talk to you

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