The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 250 (Best of 10/31/22-11/4/22)

Episode Date: November 6, 2022

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I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Hello, the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Please welcome to the daily zeitgeist, Malamunios and Diosa fam! Hola, hola. Hey, everyone. How are you doing?

Thanks for having us. Good to have you. Thanks for coming by. Yeah, good to have y'all. I would say what's new, but this is the first time we're meeting. So great to meet you. And is there anything new going on with y'all that we should know about? As if we know each other. I mean, our first big major thing is we are like new to iHeart, to the network.

We just signed with the My Cultura Network, which is like the Latinx programming within iHeart. And we're really excited to be part of the family. Yeah, we've been podcasting since 2016. But to be on this level, to have this kind of game changer has been really exciting. So we're just happy to be here. Oh, you know, you are, you know, legends in your own right. You've won awards. People know how good you are.

I think it's only probably a matter of time that everybody began to understand that. But yeah, thanks so much for coming on. And okay, so this is something I was going to, before we started, I was like, this is something I've been having arguments about, not with any of y'all specifically, but I asked the two of you, both of you are from LA, right? Yes. What part of LA are y'all from? So I grew up in the San Gabriel Valley, but I live more like in central LA, mid city now. Okay. Okay.

Six, two, six checking in. Okay. Yes, truly. Yeah. I'm in the five,

six, two. I'm in Southeast LA. Okay. Okay. There you go. Okay. So now,

and Jack, he's, I said, you're from Chicago. He said, well, yeah, I've been living here for a minute.

This is now, this is a question I have when you, if you're on vacation, right, and you're meeting, let's say you meet other American people, or you just meet people and they say, oh, hey, okay, cool, where are you from? Do you say where you live or where you're from? This is a question. What is the right answer there?

Yeah. At this point, I just say la like i just i just got back from having a black ass adventure in europe for a month last month so of course you know of course you you you get a lot of where you from where you from and then you say the states and or you say california and then you say los angeles so that was the default but then like if you're worthy enough to have me conversate with you for longer than like two minutes and we start talking and you know I eventually I'll let it come out like well I was actually born in Chicago I'm from Chicago so at this point I've been living in LA for over 10 years now so at this point sure it's just easy it makes no sense for me to say

okay oh this is where i get caught up when i someone says where are you from i literally hear that as a like what you claim like where are you claiming like where's where are you from yeah like not like where do you reside like i'll be like no man i'm from the valley bro from the san fernando valley that's that's where i'm from but i the people being like well it's actually more relevant where you live now and i'm like i guess i just interpret that question to be like, where are you from? Like, where do you originate from?

And I guess that's where I get. Let me, let me tell you, let me tell y'all something. If y'all worry about me still repping Chi town, Chicago, South side, you ain't got to worry about that.

I'm still up here repping the three, one, two, and the seven, seven, three, you know what I'm saying? So it's just when I'm talking to the white folk from around the way and they want to know where where are you?

They see black folks. We like where you from, my nigga. White people like where you live. Where are you? Right. Right. Right. Those people.

I think I'm saying that. You know? Yeah. Yeah. It's like it depends on who's asking. Right. They're creepy. If they're creepy. I firmly believe in lying to people about where you live and where you're from.

Hey, girl, where you at? Where you from? You know? Right, right. Okay. Because also now living in Chicago, now being from Chicago and shit, this shit happened to me in LA at a karaoke bar.

I had a friend from Chicago in. We were talking. And then, of course course it was a white boy of course the conversation turned to so how about that violence and shit like shut the fuck up like you know so i i don't need all that but if it's a homie i can tell the person is cool like miles you know me well like there's no shortage of Chicago pride coming from me. Oh yeah, I know that. I know that. You represent all the way. What is something from your search history?

So I found this just this morning. I was like, oh, this is perfect. In my search history, I have morning finger pain. Morning finger pain. Morning finger pain. Describe the pain. Does this use some of your experiencing? It's like, yeah, in my middle finger,

when I wake up in the morning, it feels like it's jammed almost it feels like just like tensing it like flexing it hurts a little bit relaxing it even like getting it up to like that that full stretch right hurts and i was like it was wasn't going away and so it's like you know i'm 40 40 years old now and they're just after saying that. So you admit it. You admit that though. I'm admitting. I mean, like, look, it's okay to be 40. You're right.

And I, there's just like things, like I got a shoulder thing that I just sort of live with now. And I was like, oh, it's just another thing. And I was like, well, maybe I can look it up and see what it is. And so I'm trying, I was looking up morning finger pain, just like I look up all my ailments and it could be tendonitis. Yay, you can fix that. Or it could be,

what's that thing called where your fingers get all old and- Arthritis. Yeah, could be arthritis. Like the old people thing. And then you're just done if you got arthritis. Wait, so, but why the morning?

I don't know. It goes away throughout, it works itself out basically. Oh my, you're just done if you got arthritis. Wait, so but why the morning? I don't know. Like what? It goes away throughout. It works itself out, basically. Oh, my. You're so young. So naive. Everything hurts in the morning once you hit 40, man.

It starts your whole body. Really? I threw my back out this morning just like making breakfast for my kids. Like it just like seized up. I was like, oh, no. Yeah. You're like greasing. The wheels get greased throughout the day somehow.

Yeah. Moving around. But in the morning, it's like super painful. So it could be those two things. Or if narratives from TV shows have taught me anything, there's probably an alternate personality that when you go to sleep, takes over and starts doing things while you're asleep with your middle finger and shoulder i don't know exactly what it is but it's spooky and scary and you you should start videotaping yourself when you go to sleep oh i do yep okay i love watching those yeah and your kids are going to be like the man in the tree came back last night to visit me and

you're like what again is that just yellow jackets or is that i feel like i've seen that other places where like a split i feel like it's a trope that's like yeah but the lady in the tree is definitely yellow jackets oh yeah yeah fight club yeah and that's on too yeah uh we're just spoiling shit left and right what is uh what's something you think is overrated? Oh gosh, I'm probably going to get you all canceled. I think Taylor Swift is overrated. I think. I saw, I saw Miles' eyes.

No, really. I just, I've never seen it for that lady. I always refer to her as that lady. And I just, you know. And I'm sorry to that lady. That lady. She's just that lady to me and i genuinely don't see it for her i think she's or i think she's overrated um i i definitely think she's a mean girl masked as a i'm just telling a story nagra you're being messy and i think that that's

something that i wish more people saw i like i see through her i really do oh you say okay you're like you're like you're doing a good job though you're doing a good job well i mean she's been able to capitalize on it so obviously she's doing a really good job but i genuinely just don't see it for her i genuinely believe that she she is that so i'm gonna she's she is that girl in my opinion she's getting away she's already getting away with it and she knows how to manipulate people to she basically yeah she just personifies what white feminism is in my opinion i said what i said yeah you said you said it loud who do you think should be who is

the person who needs who isn't getting the taylor shine that you like you know who should be getting that shine is this artist uh the person who is not getting the taylor shine that they deserve i genuinely you know so there is i see people doing the challenge on the tiktok uh victoria monet i think should be getting all of the love and the shine that Taylor Swift is getting. It's just I think she's a great performer, great writer, and she doesn't bother people. Like, you never hear anything negative about Victoria Monet in the news. But yet, for some reason, she's not as big as, you know, Taylor is, and I don't get why. It'll take time.

Sure, we'll get there. Well, the good news is Taylor Swift fans tend to be pretty measured and you know oh yeah reasonable so we should be good here use a lot of qualitative and quantitative analysis with their opinions absolutely I feel like right now though Carly Rae Jepsen is like overtaking Taylor Swift or like at least on Twitter I see way more people getting turned up over CRJ which yeah I'll fuck with her, too. Yeah, I do, too. Yeah.

OK. Yeah. What's something that you think is underrated, Carmen? You know, I thought about this question, Miles. Look at me. I'm a brown woman. I'm a brown woman. OK.

What's underrated? Me. What's underrated? Me. OK. My whole life. Me me my whole freaking life and i'll say all other black and brown women underrated underappreciated under thought of under everything because i tell you even just yesterday i was in the apple store and this young man i go up to him and i'm like oh i need a new

phone blah blah blah black screen of death blah blah, blah, blah. And this man, he just treated me so dismissive, so dismissive until he's like, well, why don't you just look up your receipts from the store to see when's the last time you bought a book? And I scroll in and I'm scrolling receipts. And this brother goes, oh, I didn't realize that like you bought so much here. Like, you know, just the stupid shit.

Because of course I don't i'm not the color and the type and this and that the other thing all happens constantly it's that thing of where becca you know you walk out the door in your skin in your race and in your gender and how you appear and that hits you in the face absolutely Absolutely. In many, many spaces. And so I think we still do underrate our women of color and black and brown women for real. Happens on the daily. And there's also, of course, there's an urge to squash it. Because as you know, Becca, we are so good. We are so good.

Right now, the biggest transaction I've been seeing that's been irking me so crazy is that like the internet's trying to make hayley bieber an it girl i've been annoyed since day one she's literally just a nepotism baby with no talent and bieber sands come for me but she has been doing this like brown lip gloss i was just gonna say you mean the troller face she's doing it's like the clean look yeah literally all of us have been wearing real gold and i you know i'm sure the it girlies on the internet a lot of it's not it's like these are gold that's passed down all my girls passed down and the makeup that they we wear the clean look is because we couldn't afford a lot of makeup or makeup didn't come in our colors that we couldn't get foundation exactly so we're buying brown lip or eyeliner to use as lip liner to make a lip gloss

because they don't have anything in our shades. So I'm just like, ugh, whatever. This brown, like, new look for fall. I'm like, no. This is something my mom has worn iconically for years. Yes, yes. And that's the thing is that we get these.

We're simultaneously underrated and stolen from. Yes. Because we produce the good shit, right? So it's like, it's that, no that we get these we're simultaneously underrated and stolen from. Yeah, because we produce the good shit. Right. So it's like it's that Simon. No, we want what you got. But but, you know, you stay over here. We also think you're coming to a doctor's office saying that you got.

Oh, my God. Let me tell you, I've had to search for doctors like the dismissiveness that they give you when you walk in the office when you're brown woman is just it actually causes death yeah right no it kills women so that we are underrated look i gave you something like so serious meanwhile becca like you know what's underrated what's underrated the brown lip i lip? I've got a little bit of it going on myself. Yes. A little bit. A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Let's make it peppy, Miles.

Let's get, give me another question. I can give you something fun. No, because I just, man, I just went through this with a family member, you know, like just terrible medical care. And it really made me think, I'm like, is there like a top 40 for doctors? Like, because there's, you see so many things and there's reviews right you can be like oh this doctor has good reviews but and there are good doctors yeah like and i'm just like i'm like where's the what's like the the michelin guide so you know i'm like no these motherfuckers

won't dismiss you like if you're saying something's wrong because i mean not just i'm not trying to paint the entire medical industry with one brush yeah i know people myself who are very dedicated to what they do but i know there are also so many people who slip through the cracks, that it's like, half the time, I feel like I'm I'll pick a just a doctor because who's closest and then end up your insurance cover. Exactly. That's the thing. And that's why people like have to go to certain doctors, you know? Yeah. And they're like, Oh, how come he didn't get all this blood work and blah, blah, blah done? I'm like, I i don't know i'm not a fucking doctor i just went to this motherfucker and they said it was all good well you're saying what now like well listen

i've been in the doctor's office my daughter's long covid so we have many doctors and sometimes you know she's she's a sassafras like her mama and sometimes we'll leave and she'll be like that guy was an asshole or that woman did you see the way she didn't talk to me? She didn't look at me. She just looked at you like I'm not a person, blah, blah, blah. And I say, I say, B, here's what you got to understand. Just like I just said about the forgiveness thing. Doctors are just people.

Yeah. They're just people. They're not like some magical demigod. They're just human beings. They can be just as racist, just as stupid, just as biased, just as tired, just as hungry, just, you know, all of those things not to excuse their behavior. But like, where is it coming from? Is it willful bias and ignorance? Or is it like they're really, really rushed? And maybe you still don't want to see them anyway. whatever the status quo is within a given profession too. Every industry has this decades-old momentum of terrible habits and shit that can't be

broke. Anyway, all I have to say, let us know. What's the Michelin guide for doctors? I don't want to plug anybody, but when you Google doctor's names, you'll see a rating come up and or ZocDoc also has ratings. Yeah, ZocDoc also has ratings.

Yeah. ZocDoc does have ratings. But then I think because of Yelp, I'm like, see, I don't know what this person been through. Word of mouth. I have found almost all of my daughter's specialists and my doctors through word of mouth. That's the same thing. I'm like, you like your doctor? The second someone says that, I'm like, okay, what are they are they where are they at what do they do can i get all my girls here in new york i gave them a rundown because it took me two years to find all my doctors i went through trial and error i've also had very i've talked about it on this podcast i've talked about it and i think they're ambiguous i've definitely had the run of the gamut of bad doctors i have a really great selection here now and i like sent it to all my girls who moved

to New York. I was like, these are my doctors. If they're covered by your insurance, go to these people because they respect me. So you have performed a very important service. Yes, that is an incredible you've saved them hours and months and years of pain. So yeah, bravo, girl. Bravo. They're like, Hey, I want to get Becca's list. Like, how much do I pay? Yeah, what's Becca's list? What's Becca's list? Wow. All right, let's take a quick break. And we'll be right back to talk about governance after this. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series,

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But usually the thing you hear happens because it's it almost always has to do with fluid dynamics and not anybody in the crowd doing something violent like that so the the new york times article about this on sunday like that was in the print version like they had a quote that was later a group of young men made a hard shove down the hill chanting push push and that was like kind of the it stands out because the only real description of anyone like doing anything other the all the other descriptions are people being like we don't know what happened we have no idea like no like nothing seemed off and then like there there was a some people were claiming there must have been a gas leak or something.

But first of all, it's like weird. A group of young, like how did they source the fact that a group of young men, like specifically in this massive, like wave of people was doing anything in particular. But the truth is that generally

these have more to do with fluid dynamics. And like basically when crowd density rises above four people per square meter and especially two, six or more, people get pressed together so tightly that they begin to move together as one unit with waves of pressure and release. scary like yeah i've been in a crowd like yeah yeah i've been in crowds that get like that and it'll be like as a show's about to start at a concert or getting out and people are trying like a festival you're trying to like just people trying to move very quickly from thing to thing and it always is the thing where when you're in it you'll be like damn like you're shoulder to shoulder and like you're saying you're almost like i'm moving because everything else is moving not because i have the space to move or anything. It's like I'm being pushed from behind.

And usually you'll hear people at one point go, yo, stop pushing, stop pushing. Like you feel that there's always this thing where people feel that they're being pushed because of like you're saying this. Like it's like watching traffic of it, like the pressure building up and releasing like an accordion kind of. Yeah, it's definitely freaky when you're in a situation like that, never like at the scale of you know hundreds of thousands of people yeah yeah there's this business insider article that they released after using the word stampede in early reports but they they were like yeah no we interviewed this person keith still a uk crowd science and risk analyst expert, who said, I've not seen any instances of the cause of mass fatalities being a stampede. People don't die because they panic. They panic because they're dying.

So you might hear people scream like push, push, because they're like trying not to be like suffocated by the other side. It really just like comes down to the people who are involved are in a no-win situation when you get that many people into that small space. And there's nothing that they can do. But the way we try to make sense of it because of like how, you know, I've heard it explained as like America is individualistic. So we can't like make sense of anything that we can't like blame on an individual person. like make sense of anything that we can't like blame on an individual person you could also like i've heard people say it's the english language and the way that the english language is structured like it makes it so that we there has to be someone doing an act there like we rarely just talk about something happening it's almost always like someone doing the thing but it's very misleading and it also lets the organizers off the hook like the yeah

you know when people try to sue over this it's almost always thrown out because of this misconception that did you guys watch the uh woodstock documentary yeah no i didn't woodstock 99 one yeah they yeah and if they talk about it's like it's called train wreck and they they talk about uh they interview somebody who was on stage and like somebody, people who like perform at these things, they see the, that like fluidity of the crowd. And they talk about how when crowds start to get like really riled up, you'll just see like a group of people in the crowd. All of a sudden the whole group just moves to the right six feet, like out of nowhere.

And they don't know how it happened or anything, but from the stage, you can see it happen where it's just like everybody all of a sudden is over and they'll kind of get picked up essentially and push and sometimes i think people just get i don't know i i always picture it as like somebody getting stuck underneath and then getting trampled to death but i guess that's not really it i mean that that can happen too but i think the real the real danger is when people get so compressed you literally are just being squeezed out like you're like you're just being compressed to the point you can't even breathe and then you're just stuck medieval war where like in the middle of it everybody is just that you can't even do anything right and you bring up the organizers too jack because like the cops were saying in

seoul they were like they admitted that they were there, but they weren't there for crowd control. Like the hundred thirty some officers that were there were there just to look out for criminal activity. So they were like, yeah, I mean, we actually had no we have there's no real guidebook, like according to the police force of like how to like what to do for crowd management. Because the other thing they point to or this is like their or their excuse was also like well there's also no clear organizer but the fact is you knew like this event has been growing over the last few years and this was like especially people were there because this is like the first time there weren't any covid restrictions in place so it was going to be turn up city like and they they said that that sold that metro station 130 000 people like passed through there that night so a lot of people were

like you could do so many things like have the have the like station of the that metro station closed so people have to go to the next one and like walk through rather than just like letting like hundreds of like a hundred thousand people just bleed out into this one very small area and yeah just be like yeah let's throw our hands up i don't know let's see what happens yeah i mean it needs to be viewed like there is a wave of water like a i people have said like it's similar to a tsunami and like that's really how they need to treat if like yeah if there are that many people going through a turnstile to an event in like a small location like that needs to be how it's treated because yeah like the the fluidity of it is is kind of mind-boggling but yeah people talk about like

having shoes sucked off their feet because of like just how much pressure and movement and yes suddenly you're like 30 feet to your right and like you haven't done anything other than be like picked up off your feet right but yeah it it just needs to be a crowd control a like human engineering like issue and not treated as you know something where the cops are just there to prevent pickpocketers and like that there just need to be very clear rules in everybody's mind of like, OK, this looks like it's going to be more than two to four people like per square meter. Let's like I need to just stop people from coming here. Yeah. Like set up a blockade or something.

Yeah. I think about like early when I was a kid and I would go to punk shows or something and I was like scared going in there. But then you'd be in the crowd and like everyone would be like pushing each other and you get knocked down and other people would just pick you up and I was like oh it's safe like everybody has this figured out like this somehow the everyone who goes to these already knows how this all works

and this it's just not true like the minute that you hit capacity no one's in control anymore right yeah right it was safe because there was space you know for there to be like a mosh pit and then if you needed to get out you could get out too yeah and it wasn't just like a you know just a compact space for people to go jack have you ever been somewhere with your child in a situation like that i was at a thing yesterday like to your point miles about

it being like you know post pandemic there is a not really i mean what's that yes acknowledging i'm sorry i'm pretty sure miles called it scamdemic didn't he yeah i was like speaking uh you say because things don't just happen people do them to us oh you check out my favorite tweet later sorry yes i and that's something that i need to be wary of because we're not post pandemic. We are post a lot of the things that were helping us fight the pandemic and like post shutdowns. But we we went to a like fair in our neighborhood that was didn't happen for the last two years. And it was just absolutely like so jam packed in like all these people in a small setting like everybody was miserable like we were walking up and like parents were like it's bad they're like good luck and i was like yeah uh they're they're just being fun like and it was scary like we we left after like five minutes because yeah i think just a lot of people showing up at the same place and not a lot of like there's

just not this idea that okay one person is in charge and if it hits this number you're done like you everybody has to like go home or like you just need to start turning people away yeah we we went to when my son was young enough that he was in a stroller we went to the women's march and we were like out in the street corner this intersection basically where just people started to like swell from each side and it just sort of like pushed into the middle and it became packed enough that people couldn't see the stroller down low but everyone who's like looking for an empty space all they see is like this empty space right everybody's trying to move to that space and then they see there's a stroller

there so now it's just like denser and denser and then right at a certain point they're like we're all gonna march now and i was like that's a bad idea like we should not even like let's just all go our separate ways like this is bad and i it was a situation i was helpless in and i was like i shouldn't have brought him here like this is a mistake yeah that's really scary yeah it just sounds like we have to move past like the idea of like when there's a lot of people there it's not like and then some Joker is going to trigger a stampede. It's that when there are so many people there, it has to be like, like second nature. They say, well, we have to figure out how to like alleviate pressure from certain points. So we don't have a crush because we know this tiny district or wherever this place is going to be that you figure out what to do for people's safety and like yeah in the you know i think in the cases of like astroworld and woodstock it was a lot of that stuff was clearly because of

cost cutting just being like we don't want to pay that much for security and then this one seems like total just absolute lack of preparation from like the municipality to like understand what it means to have that many people in a space and then, you know, having a tragedy like that right after. Yeah. And even going to the explanation of a gas attack is like that because that's one of the things we can conceive of as like an invisible killer.

But like that's what this is. Like in Astroworld, someone was injecting people. Right. And they were going down in the crowd. It's like, no, people were suffocating or going into cardiac arrest

because of this rush. Yeah. All right. Let's talk Twitter. Elon has taken over and apparently wants users with blue check marks to pay around $20 a month to keep their verification status, lest they be cast aside to the faceless masses with us normies. massless masses with us normies the blue checks will allegedly have 90 days to subscribe and the twitter employees have until november 7th to figure this out or they will be fired according to elon musk he seems like a cool boss great leader great leader great leader great genius genius genius yeah i guess they have a thing called twitter blue yeah which is like an optional

4.99 a month subscription that unlocks additional features and they're just going to transition that into a more expensive subscription. I'm trying to think of what you possibly would pay for. What does Twitter Blue have? Delete? Or like edit? I don't know if it has delete. Edit tweets?

Yeah. I don't even know. To the point where you're like, I can't even. Right. Exactly. Like, do I need to have Twitter Blue? I don't think so. But I think it's just a way to be like, it's premium.

And then if you're just addicted to that word, you're like, yeah, yeah, I got it. And I got the premium Twitter. But I think the big thing, too, is just also saying it's like, oh, right. Because I think a lot of people are like, this guy doesn't really want Twitter. You know what I mean? Like, he was really trying to avoid it. And now it's like, okay, well, now you got to have this thing be a money making thing. And like first step is, all right, fire everybody and then make blue checkmark 20 bucks a month. Yeah. Is that saving money? Yeah. Are you going to turn a profit like that?

out fraud uh it was introduced in 2009 and it came after tony larusa sued the company after a tony larusa impersonator account made derogatory jokes about him and i think they got that scared them but so soaring you do have a blue check mark hell yeah and i did notice that like around the time that you got the blue check mark your appearance totally changed and you you just took over i i'd always assumed you just took over somebody else's account and once they had the blue check mark it was you were just a new sore and buoy right yeah i mean i felt like a new man as soon as i got it it's like my world changed kind of things opened up for me yeah i'll give you a peek in the back door here jack because i mean obviously they didn't Got it. It's like my world changed. Things opened up for me. Yeah. I'll give you a peek in the back door here, Jack, because I mean, obviously, then they didn't approve your checkmark. They didn't approve mine because I have been.

I have asked for my debt since you got yours. You've applied so many times. Oh, my God. So it's the things that are different are especially if you're a writer is that other writers like immediately will respond to you like other blue check other people who are they it's like this legitimacy that you have where they're like oh like if you if you write something to somebody or a reply then they're like oh okay i'll play this game whereas before like you just ignore everybody yeah and that was nice but then it also it made it so that i couldn't fight with anybody like you it's really dangerous to be like really get into it with

somebody because you're never the good guy in that situation in any circumstance it's like if you don't agree with somebody or you're like you're going at it with somebody eventually inevitably somebody you know will jump in and be like hey man that that person's got 150 followers yeah right chill out verified like why'd you do a deep dive into their youtube channel that you found of theirs and just totally tore it apart dude we get it but that is why i'm able to just talk shit about you flagrantly and you won't say anything back to me i will never say a thing because i have to pretend i don't know who you are i don't remember you because iantly and you won't say anything back to me i will never say a thing because i have to pretend i don't know who you are i don't remember you because i'm and you won't admit to knowing me anywhere except this podcast which is uh can be a little unnerving it'd be a little

frustrating and it does drive my mania to get my blue check mark right approved but i do like that even like for you sir it does feed the idea of like well i'm a blue check and how does that look as i a blue check kicking dirt on the downtrodden checklist yeah it's like you've been there before come on star-bellied speech man uh and i i will find though that there are people who like dan o'brien is a good friend of mine if dan tweets at me i never see it like for whatever reason they're like twitter's like this is the riffraff like he these people who are not blue check you won't like they just hide some shit that you don't ever see not blue check marked no he insists on well you know he's like now i'm starting to think it's our last name

this is this is bullshit wow interesting interesting famously yeah most uh any like mccallahan anything that's like slightly irish they're like oh don't do it don't do it right oh that's amazing yeah i mean so obviously like the security measure part of it melted away like the tony larusa thing like he had to throw his case out because the account that he was like, they're trying to steal my identity was like named Tony La Russa. Like, what's it called? I'm having like parody. Yeah. It was called Tony La Russa parody account or like it said that on the bio.

So it was just understanding Internet, basically. But yeah, it became status. It became a thing where the blue checks wouldn't even respond to us and also it's like chester cheetah has a blue check mark right so like i i'm not sure who was trying to steal chester cheetah's account or maybe they were i don't know that that actually makes more sense well i mean when you you look at that, though, too, like because you're always like, wait, so how come like these Peabody winning journalists have blue checks and then a hot potato chip also has one? And then you're like, oh, right. You can basically can buy your way there, too.

Yeah. There's also these have already been for sale. Twitter themselves have unofficially sold verified accounts to non-celebrities if they just spend $15,000 over three months on advertising on Twitter. Which I think is a smaller amount of people than you would think since Twitter ads are bad. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But, yeah. You're basically giving them 15 grand for nothing. Right.

Well. Like, you don't behave like in a hostile manner towards ads you see on Twitter. I'm like, get the fuck off. Whenever I see them, I'm like, dude, I wouldn't even fucking pretend to look at that shit. But also, wow, this is really what Alex Mack, that person who played Alex Mack, looks like now? I'll always hit those three buttons those little three dots at the top and be like hide right hide like why i don't know i just don't like ads get it out of here get out of my why why though yeah they also got in trouble when they verified one

of the charlottesville nazis in 2017 whoops so that's but they just like don't have it's the same social media problem where they're too vast to police and the it just becomes a free-for-all and like there's no way for them to do a consistent policy without like hiring so many people that the site then becomes not profitable so it's just i'm fine with them taking away the blue checks from everybody, making it like egalitarian. Because nobody, and that's essentially what they're doing.

Because nobody's going to buy a $20 check. That's what most people are saying. And if they do buy a $20 a month check mark, like that, fuck that person. Because then you're going to look like, it becomes like a sign that you're the worst. Because before you could have a blue check and be like, oh't know like i they said they offered it to me you know

like back in the day they're like yeah like they started like my manager figured it out but now like when you have it they're like oh so you're paying 20 bucks to elon for that yeah desperation is just reeking from it yeah and so and people know too are smart enough on twitter to know that if you look at somebody's account you look at how many followers they have versus how many they follow. And that's like a good indication of whether this person is the right person, like the person you're looking for. If there's any ever a question about whether this is like a parody account. Yeah, just look at like, oh, OK, how many people they following? How many people are following?

Right. I see that that last number is higher than the first number that's a good sign the i think the the fucked up part about all this is that like so many people are not critical enough in their analysis at looking at anything on the internet that they're just going to assume blue check equals truth and there's going to be a ton of bullshit out there from these blue checks that most of the time you'd be like what the how the fuck did this person get verified from the epic times whatever like what the fuck yeah like it's gonna be all like just just a ton of like misinformation fest i mean that's why like everyone's just looking at this now and be like wow okay like the use of racial slurs has exploded

exponentially and he's spreading like fucking like these fucked up homophobic conspiracy theories and then deleting him he's like is it possible what i'm doing the blue check story is meant to detract from that which is like a much bigger story which is that yeah twitter's way worse that he's also doing some really terrible he's tweeting some really terrible things about like nancy pelosi and shit like that on. Right. I think you know that everyone's going to talk about the blue check thing because the blue checks are going to influence everybody else on Twitter. And that's all they want to talk about.

Right. But the one thing I feel like all of the most news outlets have been pretty consistent with some version of like, damn, Elon's first week. So fucking real fuck up or some version of that. Maybe not so aggressive, but pointing out it's like he's a fucking real fuck up or some version of that. Maybe not so aggressive, but pointing out it's like, he's like fired everyone as it stands right now. It was like just announced that he fired the entire board. And now it's just him right now as he figures out what to do with it. So I think most things are pointing to like,

he's not sure what to do with it. And he's making things so much fucking worse right now. But, but I, yeah. Hey, Jack Dorsey is working on his own shit now blue sky whatever the fuck it's called so this guy whatever the fuck it's called sorry i'm canceling my

application for the blue check thing let me just because you guys made some good points it'll be it'll just be like facebook i think like facebook was a place where everybody left and the people who didn't leave thought that everyone was like everyone was still there still there. Everyone just agrees with me all of a sudden. And that just became this weird chamber. And you know, and what's going to happen is there's going to be like millennial grandpas. They're like, dude,

my fucking dad's still on Twitter. I know. They're like, what? In the, in the year 2045. Yes, dude.

Gets all this fucking news on there. Oh my God. Ah, It's going to be me. Yeah. Cause I, I don't know. I'm like, I can't give up these numbers. I'm like,

you're just hating the sun. Cause you ain't got these followers. It's the only social network I still use. And it's like, it's I'm going to do, I'm going to keep doing jokes, man. Yeah.

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And we're back. And the McRib is coming back to McDonald's. To go away again for what, quote, might be the last time. Do they say that every time about the McRib? There have been multiple farewell tours for the McRib. First off, Matthew, do you eat the McRib ever? I have never eaten one. Same.

Have you all? I've never even had a McRib. I've never had a McRib. Oh, Miles, you would love the McRib, man. Really? Yeah, I'm not lying. Well, let me tell you why. The reasons from my perception, right?

Yeah. When I first heard of it, as somebody who grew up in a barbecuing family, the word rib has a quite literal meaning to me. So when I heard of the McRib, and I saw it on a thing, I'm like, you can just bite the bones and shit? Right. Because they do craft it into a sponge that has bone shapes. Like bone mark. Yeah. Bone gradiation and shit's and that's their logo for it is you can bite the bones right yeah and i'm like so that always put me off the

simulated bones i was like this is fucking weird i love simulated bones but oh good that's me no matter what no matter when it's all it's it's real mushy is the thing that you don't expect it's like it it gives you i think more than any other piece of mcdonald's meat it gives you the sense of like you're the reason i was saying you might like it is because of your taste in fries which is you like you like the soggy when you eat a fry you like for it to be like falling apart in your hand as you just like fling it into your mouth yeah that's kind of the vibe you get from the mcrich oh no yeah for uh the what you don't like mushy meat yeah i don't like what is it like a floppy like a like a brown floppy piece of meat foam is kind of the... Ooh. But it's all...

The whole thing is kind of in just delivering an impressionistic take of what barbecue would be in the mind of an alien, you know, 2,000 years after humanity and all of our... You know, they've just read about it and this is like an impression of like we we think this is what they were doing with with that well it has the essence of smoke and meat right just doesn't have any of that really i i guess it is made of pork right it just has such lab experiment vibes yes oh. Oh, for sure. Like when I look at it, I'm like, well, who thought this shit up and thought that was like a good thing to eat?

I first thought when I saw, oh, they're doing another farewell tour. This reminds me of like every Rolling Stones tour. Eagles, man. The last time. The Eagles. The Rolling Stones. The Cher apparently has done like dozens of farewell tours. But as for the history of the McRib, it was first developed utilizing military technology to restructure meat for soldiers. Hold on. Restructure meat for soldiers. Hold on. Restructure

meat for soldiers? Yes. Ooh. Okay. I'm getting hungry. Yeah. Yuma, yuma. Go on. Why haven't they used, you know, they also made food for space food. You ever eaten that space food?

Oh, yeah. It has space food vibes. Crunchy foam, you know? Yeah. Why don't they use that for McDonald's things more often? I think this reminds me of that. It reminds me of, like, I just watched 2001 A Space Odyssey again and they have that scene where they're, like, going to the moon

base and they're, like, they've really, like, gotten the feel of regular food as they're eating the sandwiches. They're like, this is, like, it kind of feels like that. It that it's like oh they've done a pretty good job using just the restructured concept of meat wasn't that what chicken nuggets are too it's just like this goop i was just gonna say like chicken nuggets definitely feel more like you are getting chicken like they they feel more like you can sense the presence of chicken more in a chicken nugget

than you can sense the presence of ribs in a McRib. I feel their souls. Chicken nuggets to me are like its own food group in a way. I'm like, yeah, fried chewy nugs with meat flavor. I think McRub pushes it even further in the direction of New Food Group. Got it. It comes out in 1982.

Okay. And it is a huge flop. It's premiered in 82 and immediately starts disappearing in 82. By 1983, the McRib is basically gone, except it'll reappear suddenly in some places, only to disappear again with no one really knowing how or why. Then comes the Flintstones movie in the 1990s. And John Goodman. They're like, John Goodman, great film.

Rick Moranis. Yes. Rosie O'Donnell. Rosie O'Donnell, thank you. And who was the other? sorry just to say it was elizabeth perkins was wilma okay rosie o'donnell makes sense rosie oh then holly berry was sharon stone was her name that's right holly berry get it sharon stone that was her like stone stone's name did they try and cast sharon stone and and have to recast at the last moment?

I don't know. I think maybe it was such a 90s film that they're like, this is a great name to evoke because it has a rock word in it. Yeah, it's a pun. Oh, yeah. No, it works. It works for me. But it is weird to be like, and Halle Berry as Sharon Stone does sound like a weird sentence to say. Yeah.

But so they bring it back for that. And wait, so wait, is the McRibs supposed to be dinosaur ribs? Yeah, because, you know, Fred Flintstone would eat giant brontosaurus ribs. And so they were like, there you go. Like, that's the thing. And this is going to be the biggest hit movie of all time. So we're going to, you know, reintroduce a food stuff specifically for the Flintstones. And kids love the vitamins.

Yeah, right. That's right. Exactly. I mean, people like eating things having to do with the Flintstones. There's something about that. And smoking Winston cigarettes. Kids also like that but if you if you've seen the fred flintstone and barney having a nice winston behind the house commercials from the 1960s and 70s

so flint mcrib stays on the menu again but in 2005 it went on you guessed it a farewell tour that's 2005 so 17 years ago okay it goes on its first farewell tour followed by three more farewell tours you can like go back and look at there's images mcrib the farewell tour to 2006 theories abound that mcdonald's is actually releasing and recalling the mcrib in direct reaction to fluctuating pork prices. And if you like go back and map the appearance and the farewell tours of the McRib, it kind of works. Oh, like they only hit it in the valleys, like in terms of like when they're hitting

like when it's at a low, they're like, all right, baby, buy up the pork. The McRib is back. Yes. Is is beef do beef prices? is that just like a horizontal line? I think it must be more steady. And also it's probably more steady because McDonald's exists, right? Yeah. And they're the biggest, like one of the biggest, if not the largest, like purchasers of beef.

When they put apples in one of their salads, they became the biggest purchaser of apples in the United States. So, yeah, it's hard to say, okay, are they reacting to trends or are they creating them? Oh, yeah, maybe those dips and valleys are a result of the McRib going in and out.

Yeah, like insider information that they're going to it's a chicken nugget or egg mcmuffin situation that's right what came first the chicken nugget or the egg mcmuffin nobody knows i don't know so that that makes a lot of sense but it's yeah like we said it's the same strategy that musical acts do and that infuriate people. So Ozzy Osbourne had the No More Tours tour when he was, you know, initially retiring, I think, in 1992. And then in 2019, No More Tours 2. Cher, LCD Sound System, The Who, who like every genre like they've all said goodbye nine inch nails i think trent resner did it yeah yeah goodbye tour i i they he duped me for that i

was like i'm there trent yeah let's go and then i'm like he's still going i think the ballsiest was share did a farewell multiple farewell tours and then at one point she did a farewell tour and moved directly onto a Vegas residency for three years. Yeah. I think the reason it works is that, uh, I mean, like, so when you saw, when you were duped by Trent, you weren't bummed that you went to the show, you know? No, not at all. So he's back. Oh, that's only good news. You're never like, I went to one farewell show and I don't want to go to another one.

Yeah, no, not at all. I was like, I was there like two years later when he did another tour. And I was like, yeah, yeah, great, great, great. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. Next to a guy who was juggling LED fucking balls next to me while I was tripping. And it was the most annoying thing.

There's a guy. I remember at, I think it was outside. I forget which tour I like big festival they were at. I was next to some guy who was juggling the whole fucking show. That's annoying. With like light up balls. And I was like, this is too much for me. Anyway, but all that to say, I'm not mad when a farewell tour goes on.

Yeah, if it's good, if they do a good job, that's fantastic. Or it's also the Disney vault. They'll do that too yeah yeah the vault's closing yeah which is so weird yeah we only can open it for yeah it almost like i had an idea of the disney vault that was like a like magical crypt that they could only open for like a couple weeks at a time it's like wait a second this company has total control to do whatever the fuck they want whenever the fuck they want yeah it's just a sales moratorium is what we call it more than anything rather than like did did walt's ghost let us look at the tapes again

but i will say just with lcd sound sound system i'll never james murphy played himself i thought they were done years ago and they're ever fucking everywhere again like especially this last summer i was like i thought y'all were fucking done but yeah look i get it they have fans yeah barbara streisand's fans actually tried to sue her after paying for hefty ticket prices for her first farewell tour wow and so she did she went on a farewell tour in 2000 grossed 56 million dollars and then when she announced that she would be saying goodbye again in 2006 so that's they like they need to be keeping track of like okay that's too soon barbara streisand people will like

literally sue you and it will become a news story. But the McRib like goes away every couple of years. So we don't like for fickle lawsuits and stuff. The shorthand has been speaking of McDonald's, you know, the suing for coffee being too hot. But it maybe should be suing for not doing a proper farewell tour, Streisand. You know, yeah. Well, and the coffee too hot thing is a great example of like corporations having control over like how our media works because the person who got burned by their coffee like mcdonald's had been warned by consumer groups like your coffee is way too hot

like if somebody spilled it on themselves they will have like third degree burns like you need to chill out with how fucking hot your coffee is they ignored those warnings the person had like permanent skin damage from the hot coffee uh and we're all like oh yeah there's there's that asshole like i only learned that like years after i had been telling you know using a short yeah that was that was myth busted uh recently yeah the the best way to do a farewell tour this is the bob dylan method is always seem like you are on the verge of death and just stay touring i went and saw bob dylan in like 2006 and i was like this motherfucker is might not make it through this show right he's and then he's he's still touring he's been on permanent tour for the last 30 years

he's like backstage just laughing counting yeah and he's like those dumb sobs doing crossfitting dying yeah and then comes out he's like i can clean and jerk 300 pounds man they ain't fucking with me but is there any like is there anything to being able to sue for for an artist saying this is the farewell like to come out to say this is the last time but i guess it's hard to say because you can't be like you know you have the right as a human being to be like you know actually i wanted to come out of retirement yeah you know what i mean like that's not obviously illegal but clearly obviously like in the in terms of like someone's motivation to buy a ticket at a higher price, hearing that this could be the last time you'll see them clearly would add extra motivation. it's i think the artist is like yeah i'm pretty good like i'm ready to retire and i think this goes for boxers who come out of retirement but they are not once you're famous and like you know

you have an entire company's worth of people making money off of everything you do you are no longer really in control of your own life. And so, you know, the people that you surround yourself with, the people you get business advice from, are all going to be pushing you to come out of retirement, even if it's bad for you, even if it's, like, shitty to your customers. Like, there is, you are, like, in an information bubble of people who are like, the people are calling for it, Barb. Like, we got to do it. I guess nobody callsara streisand barb barb she was bad she would have them bad

yeah bad jack well and or ozzy osbourne you know he did his no more tours and then but he had no idea he was gonna do like this huge hit reality show and his whole family was gonna become crazy right famous and also like he might not have had any idea he was doing the no more tours part two until like they were like yeah just walk through that door ozzy walked out there's a stadium full of people yeah that that feels like one that's especially predatory i mean i think it's funny like the last time i was like wait they're not retired was jay-z because i was such a jay-z fan and then one of the blueprint or when the black album came out i'm like damn that's a good way to go out yeah okay got her ass then the subsequent

albums i'm like bro excuse this what the fuck is this shit because like none of his like latter day albums like rank in his top five i don't like at all but i get for him he was like man i there you know what they're still buying this shit we can can put MagnaCard to Holy grail is like a download on Samsung phones. Fuck it, baby. I think there's a reason people do the, I'm going to go out on top. Like they usually, when people do that, they have some instincts that like, they're not staying on top for that much longer. Like, and then when they do come out of retirement it's it usually gives a pretty good

i don't know like i'm thinking of jay-z thinking of like seinfeld is another example where people are like they're going out on top and like their last season wasn't their best season but it was still like right good enough but then when you know seinfeld does stand up after that it's just you know, Seinfeld does stand up after that. It's just, it's not there anymore, man. It's no good,

but he is a fashion icon. So we can, Oh yeah. Look up to him for that. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like, and review the show.

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