The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 265 (Best of 3/6/23-3/10/23)

Episode Date: March 12, 2023

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I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry.

Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour.

If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one non-stop infotainment laugh-stravaganza. So without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well, Jamie, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of the funniest humans doing it anywhere,

truly a booking coup by super producer anna hosnier is a comedian actor writer recently named a comic you should and will know by vulture which is like a very threatening way to say someone is going to be famous but i agree his show with kelly bachman rape victims areny 2, was number two on Paste Magazine's 12 best comedy albums of 2022. It is the brilliant, the talented Dylan Adler! Oh my God. That is the nicest introduction.

Thank you guys so much for having me on the podcast. You will know his name. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me jamie loftus did the thing jack o'brien my woman king yes anna hosnia you're a genius justin smith you are all of us so there we go i i was really i was waiting for our audience to send that to us, and I'm glad you brought it. Was it you who tweeted that it slept on how she says Hong Chao? No one was talking about, everyone was talking about Angela Bassett, but no one was talking about how she was like, Hong Chao, Dolly Lee.

It was really slept on, I think. Yeah, yeah. I wanted to bring that into the discourse. It resonated. I'm thinking about it days later. Same, same. I feel like we just like covered that briefly, but it has really resonated.

It's like the Adel Dazeem, John Travolta thing that just has sort of not gone away. Like that performance, I feel like, is just still with us it's gonna get really it's gonna be it's we're enjoying it now and then we're and then we're gonna be upset that people because then everyone is gonna learn about it and then it's gonna be bad for a while but then it'll come back it's like right impressions comes in waves yeah absolutely i agree i brought it up the other day and crickets Jack O'Brien. Nothing.

For me, yeah. I feel like I haven't fully absorbed to all of the intricacies. I'm one of the people who will be making references to it in eight years. And we'll be like, enough. When people are over it. Yeah, exactly. Jack's finally taken a little bit of doing the thing in yeah exactly i mean it takes that long for it to marinate it's such a rich text it's a rich text thank you yeah so it is not my fault jamie no no richness of the text it's actually that I am treating it appropriately and taking my time getting into it, you know. Absolutely. Steeping.

You're right. I was being a huge bitch and I'm sorry. Thank you. I'm glad you picked up what I was. I got, well, I just got the message you sent me on Zoom. So I'm just reading what you sent to me. That's right. Yeah.

What is something from your search history? Oh my God. I'm going to be painfully honest right now, okay? There is one thing and one thing only in my search history all weekend. This is a shame for myself that I'm admitting this, but it is all Vanderpump Rules related.

Do we know about this epic drama that has unfolded over the weekend by any chance in the universe? Oh, my God. I can I can give you the quickest rundown of all time. All right. So that's what our show is about. Actually, let's let's just do that. Vanderpump Rules. Let's go. Vanderpump Rules is the greatest reality television show ever created. I don't watch other reality shows. I have no basis for this whatsoever. I don't know if I've ever seen

A Real Housewives, but this show is a bunch of monstrous single... was... started monstrous single people that live in West Hollywood working at a restaurant acting like absolute dipshits because they all had no money and they would spend it all, but now they all

have money and it's so much worse. But this is... This is the rundown. This one guy, Tom Sandoval, cheated on his girlfriend of nine years with Raquel. I'm just going to throw the names out there. With Raquel. These are all characters on the show, unless otherwise noted. Yes. Yes.

Raquel has been making out with Tom Schwartz Tom Sandoval's business partner and best friend who just got divorced from his wife Katie of 12 years right after Raquel called off her engagement to James who used to date Kristen who used to date Tom it's great oh my god

they all dating each other it's like high school theater yeah they're really giving up like whatever we thought tristan thompson drama was with chloe kardashian i'm telling you this is this is 10 trillion times worse it's incredible i'm gonna choke hold i can't stop thinking okay i love this i love this i also love that you know like vanderpump rules is a great name. Like I've been to, what's the bar in WeHo that is from somebody from that show? Sir.

Sir? Yeah, there's so many now. But that was the original one, right? Yeah, yeah. That's like the OG. I've been there. I just love the name. I've never watched it.

I only watched The Challenge and The Bachelor. And then I had a reality show podcast where I had to pretend like I actually watched reality shows. So spoiler alert, I lied. But they paid me. So but I just really just love that name. It has like the best name, I think, out of any of the reality shows. Vanderpump Rules. It's kind of giving O'Doyle rules a little.

Yeah, a little bit. Okay. So you're saying the drama is there. It's so great. My question is, like, are they all sleeping with one another because they know that they're all characters on the show? Like, the way that a royal family will intermarry within the family because they want to consolidate power and like keep all the money for it keep all the power for

themselves like yeah is there is something because that that web of social and sexual connections between the characters like is reminds me of like the hapsburg family tree you know like it's just so interwoven and yeah i i wonder if there's some incentive there i feel like that was a very generous comparison yeah uh well if you know yeah i mean it didn't end up so well for the hapsburgs but i'm sure they think they're the royal family. I mean, they are, I would say, unfortunately, the royal family of Bravo right now. You know, so I think there's something to that. These particular people in question, I don't know how to cement words.

They are absolute losers. So I just think people in public probably won't sleep with them. I don't know why. I just assume, blanket statement probably won't sleep with them. I don't know why. I just assume. Blanket statement. You see this man's face. He looks like a generic Harry Styles wannabe in the worst way.

Because there's a good way to look like a generic Harry Styles wannabe. Yeah. I think that's a lot of... A base model Harry Styles. That's good. But no, this guy looks like he wants to be Harry Styles so bad. And he sees a flare pants and he just buys it. Like that's there's no questions asked. But it's I mean, my favorite part about the whole thing.

And I listen. I know you guys don't know this drama, but I'm so excited to talk about it. But this whole thing, the best part is that he dressed up as his mistress for Halloween in front of his current girlfriend. And they all hung out together. How crazy is that? Drama. How crazy is that? Drama.

That is drama. You know what? It would be funny, babe. Yeah. I think it would be funny. And then, like, yeah. What a mess. It's such a mess.

I am under a spell. I open my phone. I try to look at other things and i literally can't you can't yeah you can't i can't you can't you are hooked f you are i i really am uh what is something ben that you think is overrated all right now not everyone's gonna agree and jack you know that I typically, you and Miles both know,

I typically don't like saying things are overrated. Everybody's got their own experiences. Big concerts. You know, I mean, Ticketmaster is a pain in the keister anyway. Thank you. I'm agreeing. I'm silently agreeing with Ben.

Oh, don't be silent. I'm raising my with Ben. Oh, don't be silent. I'm raising my voice. Don't be silent anymore. Sorry. It's your day. Silence is violence. So big concerts, you know, everybody was excited to get back to them after a shutdown in the U.S. occurred. I don't want to one. I'm not going to say which one, but I was like, okay, first off, fucking Ticketmaster. And then secondly, there are lines everywhere. Every imaginable drink

is way more expensive than it should be. And then you get in, and there's this massive press of people, and if you're in a paranoid position like I usually am, you're thinking, where are the exits? What if this goes wrong? These thousands or several hundreds of people are very excited, usually to hear maybe three, four songs.

And then it's just a bad look. You know what I mean? Maybe I'm getting old. I don't know. What do you guys think? Are big concerts overrated? And plus your peepers can't see the damn artists on stage. Sorry, no, it's not. I don't know.

I find concerts to be things that I don't look forward to and always, like, what they do to the, like, artists' work, like, after I've seen them is usually worth it to me. Like I like it. I really like for whatever reason, like just seeing someone perform live makes me really appreciate their work a lot more. I love that part. Sure. Creates some value for me. But yeah, I mean, I'm not I'm also not like i haven't been to a big concert in many years so i don't know if i've ever been to what qualifies as a big concert like

in an amphitheater or something you know right but as a person with crowd anxiety i am extremely on your side ben i don't like you know and it, it hasn't always been that way. It started, you know, I used to be able to go to big music festivals outside and not have a problem. And then I kept going to them. And then I started feeling really crazy and being like, I need to leave. You know, so many people. It's just so many people. Since COVID, it has not improved. My cat is really upset that i'm not paying attention to her

so she just knocked something on my desk i was good what's your cat's name myla shout out myla shout out shout out myla international women's day queen yes yeah no i i can't do that anymore um and and i always kind of thought sometimes they see video you know people go see beyonce or whatever and got those like nosebleed seats and you know there's big screens that show you the artist but i'm like you might as well just be watching a video of this concert right yeah that's i mean it's not for me i was uh back but the fun part sorry just the fun part of that is that you're watching the screen and then taking a video of the screen so you're watching the screen through your screen. So there's like four levels of things happening,

but you are in the same physical space. So there's a chance that like... Yeah, it reminds me of like one time I went to go see this rapper and I was trying to... I had like a disposable like flash camera. And so I raised it up to try and take a picture of the rapper on stage. And what I ended up with because of the strength, you know, the limited strength of the flash was a picture of a bunch of people raising their cell phones.

You can't see what's going on on stage at all. But the only accurate picture of a concert ever taken. That's how they know you were really there. Yeah. So the thing that I will just say, there's a brief backstory. Here in Atlanta, Georgia, an up-and-coming musician named Taylor Swift had a concert. And I don't know if you all have heard of this person, but I see big things for them in the future. And everyone in the places I would go to walking around my usual sketchy reprobate cruise, they were all very excited. And then we're all like, Oh, Ben,

we're going to this Taylor Swift concert. And I would say, well, you're the, you're like the 40th person I know who is going now. And you might want to hurry up. Yeah. I like, I think there's going to be a line dude. And a line dude and uh it just soured me you know no disrespect to the artists because touring is one of the primary ways they make their money now that so many big studios or production companies have become poisonous yield my time but when somebody does a residency in las vegas i think that's the only way to truly see someone because then the crowd is thin enough because everybody

is kind of, they're doing the same show day after day. They have it down by heart. You're getting to see a robotic version of them. I don't know. This is all to say I really want to see Katy Perry in Las Vegas. I've just come to that conclusion in the last 24 hours. Yeah. I'm going carrot top,

but you know what? Let's meet up for dinner. Okay. I'm in. Anne-Marie, what's something you think is underrated? Well, this isn't going to do anything to disprove Ben's accusations that I am an old woman, but... Hard candy! They're both elderly things, but I'm going to...

I'm sticking to my guns and i'm gonna say flossing flossing is highly underrated you don't know all the shit you're missing in your teeth until you start flossing and then once you start you'll never go back because you know exactly what's in there and what you got out and everyone should be flossing so So I'm sticking to it. Spicy take. Thank you. I am now flossing daily for the first time in my life. Really? I have yet to have my teeth cleaning, like, follow-up, like, final exam is how I'm viewing it. So I'm, like, I've never had a cavity in my life.

So I'm like, I've never had a cavity in my life. And I'm like, thinking that, like, for some reason, this is going to be like the first time I had like, so you two things that can be going on in your mouth but like it's kind of one or the other because they're like caused by like bacteria that are like at war with one another and so if you're not a cavity person you probably are dealing with gum disease and or like vice versa i would hope you would have thrown party in there at the very least like cav cavities, gum disease, or party. Like there's a party in your mouth. Yeah, there's a party in your mouth. A bacteria party. Your breath smells like shit.

Ben, how about you? What's something you think is underrated? The Hold My Nip subreddit. I really like. The Hold... What? I know what it sounds like. The Hold My Nip subreddit.

And this is, of course, something that we've discovered through making Endless Thread over the years and looking at a lot of stories on Reddit. And, you know, you get into some weird subs. And I got into this sub a while ago now. It's part of the constellation of cat related subreddits and i don't know if you've heard of hold my hold my beer of course you know hold my hold my man hold my cosmo and so this is this is just footage of cats high on catnip and it's find it to be very, you know,

just to bring me a little bit of light and joy when I'm feeling gloomy. Holding my nip is good. High animals. That's a, yeah. Yeah. And I'm not pro high. I'm not pro getting your animals high necessarily.

So I'm not sure. I don't know. Maybe folks feel weird about catnip in general, but i will watch it on the internet and i will enjoy it so amazing we we just found out about shower orange as a subreddit so this is a new one oh yeah we'll be oh yeah we've got a whole we've got an episode about that yeah yeah i still haven't partaken. Did you guys, for the purposes of research, partake in the shower orange? Oh, yeah. Ben did. I think you recorded some in the shower,

right? I did. Yeah, I did. I still haven't tried it. I don't know what's wrong with me. It's amazing. It lives up to the hype? Oh, 100%. I mean, citrus oil in general in your zone is a good thing

i think but in in the shower it's even better one of our listeners said uh actually pomelo uh shower pomelos are the are the way to go that's the pomelo i guess is how you pronounce that anyways it's a grapefruit right let's be honest it's a grapefruit with Or pomelo, I guess is how you pronounce that. Anyways. It's a grapefruit, right? Let's be honest. It's a grapefruit with a lot of like puffy padding around it. But yeah, it's like a sweeter grapefruit. They are wonderful. All right, let's take a quick break.

We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview

dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente.

And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcast. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions. Like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or, can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes! Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts

who do, like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it like you miss 100% of the shots you never take? Yeah, rejection think a lot about that quote. What is it? Like you miss 100% of the shots you never take. Yeah, rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them.

Why is that? I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game?

And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. And yeah, so there were a couple of Florida stories. By the way, did everybody enjoy their shower oranges?

Are we shower orange people? Yeah. I mean, we're all sopping wet on the Zoom call. Yeah. I unfortunately couldn't decide because I hadn't done enough research on how to peel the orange. And, you know, there's so many opinions out there, whether you should just break it in half or, you know. I just sort of, I dove in like a starving monkey. And I would recommend that approach. That was good advice.

Amazing. I'm a part of the showering orange community. I'm coming out as that. Wow. Congratulations. Brave. Wow. Gave us the scoop in everything. Unbelievable. A comedian we should and will know comes out as a shower orange community member. This will be just as powerful as that Ellen thing. Yes. Just as big.

In Florida, just a couple stories from last week about Florida politicians trying to turn the state of Florida into a dystopian right-wing police state. And more than they already have I guess with the book bans this seems like it's an overall strategy where Ron DeSantis is like picking a fight with every everyone who's not a right-wing like MAGA person and then we'll use that to as like free publicity for his campaign, which has kind of been his what his entire career has been based on. So first last week, there was one that I think we can mostly dismiss as just like a stunt. It was from a Republican state senator, a Senate bill that they're trying trying trying to use to render the democratic party non-existent dubbed the ultimate cancel act and they're like this is where oh you want to cancel

us well we're canceling the democratic party people there is like who's the snowflake now you know uh right-wing politicians really do have a way with just like the most like lobotomized turn of phrase that you could possibly come up with but it usually that it's sticky it sticks in my head that makes no sense and it's like it's sticky well not my shoe well you. That makes no sense. It's sticky. Well, not my shoe. You were doing it wrong, Jack. I know. It shouldn't be getting sticky. I ripped it open after I got out of the shower.

You're not being a very good ambassador for our community right now. I'll say that much. Some people have compared the bill to when the Nazis did away with all other political parties, Yeah, I'll say that much. powerful like he used to be the head of the republican party in florida but it he does just seem like kind of a carnival barker who's looking for an audience like i don't i don't know again i can't see this actually happening or if it does like actually affecting policy all that much but it just that's that's what's hard about florida these days is like it's easy to be like Ron DeSantis is just like talking about Disney and not payingans books in children's libraries and like the we

see like video of people of empty elementary school libraries you know yeah i mean i've had friends whose books are no longer like allowed in florida it's like it's ridiculous and i like that it's it's fun to dunk on ron desantis and we should and we're right to do it um but i think yeah like one of the scariest things about him is that he's like not an idiot like he he and and i feel like he's like developing this and and maybe this falls under this category because like the language of the ultimate cancel act like it sounds like a like mustache twirling cartoon villain like cancel the filings of a political party if the party's platform is previously advocated for or been in support of like involuntary servitude or slavery like it's just like word salad but it seems like even with

the disney stuff and the horrible book that he's releasing like it it almost reminds me of times that like you know donald trump would do like the dumbest thing he could think of when he was about to pass some really scary legislation so you would talk about the dumb thing and not pay attention to this to the thing that actually harms people and it feels like desantis is like really getting a feel for that pattern. Yeah. I know because part of it, like it's obviously like righteous to dunk on him. And it also,

it reminds me of that. Remember that video going around to like, woke moralists. We'll see who cancels who like Jordan Peterson. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes.

It reminds me of that. I love video it's so fun we'll see who cancels he sounds he sounded so weird yeah he sayss a lot of power he he's a very like he's like uh he is a very powerful and scary figure that can do a lot of harm in yeah in his state yeah and so the other one that on its face seems kind of similarly just easy to dunk on and dismiss, but actually is probably very scary in reality. They're going after bloggers. They proposed a bill that would require bloggers to register with the state if they're going to write any stories about DeSantis or other Florida politicians, which is pretty scary. Yeah, I mean, it's and they like the way they're doing it. They're like they would be required to submit monthly reports, including disclosing their pay or else risk being fined by the government.

risk being fined by the government which is this a scheme to expose how underpaid bloggers are or like that they're not paid because i don't know what they think bloggers are being paid or what do do i not know what bloggers are is that well i what's happening i does the person who wrote this know what bloggers are that seems like a really really broad like did they write it 15 years ago i don't even know what a blog it's like perez hilton was a blogger like who i've not read a blog in so many years is this a tumblr specific piece of legislation like yeah who's funding all these tumblers that are making memes about me ron desantis like they they just assume i don't know because they do have a big like contingent of their strategy is paying bloggers who just write like hagiographic like just love letters to ron desantis so like i i'm wondering if they assume that because they have to

they need like billionaire secret funders for all their media that like that's true of everyone criticizing them as well. And so that's where they're coming from. But it really seems misguided. But at the same time, like it could very easily be the first step in like a very slippery slope. Right. It's like they're doing it in MySpace first and they're like, oops, now we're going to do it on another platform.

Okay, so you guys don't do blogs anymore. We get it. Okay, okay, okay. Reset. Like that's, it's just I do, I mean this is like a really scary, I mean it seems like they're just trying to what, like suppress any potential criticism of DeSantis and just like curb free speech. Sick. Love that. Well, yeah, I don't know. I mean, if this vocabulary choice blows up in their face, that would be kind of funny. But it just sounds like you could apply like isn't like technically Twitter is like micro blogging.

Am I like inventing that? I feel like that's what it was called when it came out. Oh, right. Question mark. So everyone. Any expression of your opinion is a blog. Any tweet about Ron DeSantis will need to be officially licensed by the Florida government. How do you fucking enforce something like that i mean i

yeah it just i don't know i guess i just hope that they're not smart enough to be able to even follow through with such a thing but yeah it does feel pretty suppressive yeah yeah i need to unionize all my psychic friends in florida i gotta say you this. Right? The last time I talked to a psychic in Florida, he was like, and it was like, I think it was like he was like dissing me a little bit. Ooh, I don't remember the last time I've said diss,

but he was like, thank you so much. He, you know, he's like, well, as far as where you're going to end up, you are not welcome in Florida. And I was like, oh, my God. Wait, that's actually kind of a compliment. Right.

I know. Well, it's like I was I mean, it but he was like he loved being in Florida, but he was like, clearly something's off. And then Florida is not for you, honey. Florida is not for me. And it's like, you know what? Fine. I accept that.

Was he saying you're not allowed in Florida or you're not allowed to retire to Florida? When he said he just sort of said me in Florida that we it's not where you end up is a weird. Yeah. The weird way. Yeah. I mean, and it's he I mean, he's he's fascinating. He's this guy, Louis Gates. He's got a YouTube channel.

I watch it. He's doing all sorts of stuff. But yeah, I don't know. He said, I have no place in Florida. Florida's not for me. And then he's like, maybe she's a little more bi-coastal. And I was like, yeah. Yeah.

There you go. Thank you so much, Louis. Yeah. Thank you. Congratulations to you, Jamie. Thank you. Thank you There you go. Thank you so much, Lewis. Yeah. Thank you. Congratulations to you, Jamie. Thank you. All right. Let's talk about the opposite of Marxism. The Wall Street Journal had this article that Americans are encountering more problems with companies, products and services than ever before, and a higher proportion of them are actively seeking, quote, revenge for their troubles.

A new study has found, which is intense. What do they mean by revenge? I think it's like writing nasty comments, like sending letters, you know, doing, reaching out to the company. Oh, snitching to the Better Business Bureau. Yes. Just any sort of follow up action that's taken.

Yes. But the revenge is definitely what drew my attention. But it's also, I don't know. So it's up. She wants revenge is getting back together but they're called customers want revenge. Yes. 74% of the 1,000 customers surveyed said they had experienced service problems in the last year, which is up 66% from 2020.

And, you know, more and more of them are seeking this vengeance, you know, a Kill Bill style revenge saga against southwest airlines or you know training in kung fu that is the picture they used was a you know some southwest airlines consumer facing person at an airport looking like they were 12 hours away from all of their hair falling out from just having to deal with just horrific toxicity. Well, shit, I wonder why. Right. Exactly. I hope nobody is actually yelling at the people who are working because they're not in charge of the fuckery. You know what I mean?

fuckery you know what i mean like every time every time you have a problem at the counter of some place yelling at that person is not going to get back to the person who is responsible you know exactly that's i i don't know i think it's very convenient for corporations to do that exactly you know there's like my immediate thought is of course this has to do with all the supply line bullshit we're like i know somebody who got their catalytic converter stolen off their car needs a new catalytic converter and so they're having a problem where all of the mechanics are like we don't have any and we don't know when we're going to get any yeah so we don't know when we can fix your car and so it's not a customer complaint towards the mechanic the mechanic has nothing to do with it but there's

definitely customer dissatisfaction so you know if you were to survey and be like do you have problems being a consumer we'd be like yeah but it doesn't have to it's not because the service is bad it's because the shit's not there yes and the And the I mean, also, I think the service is bad in a lot of these cases, like with the airlines or, you know, even with car companies like the car companies used to like prior to the pandemic were like more. It was like more of a buyer's market. And now it's more of a fuck you. This is what we have market like and were there understaffed yes because they're wildly fucking understaffed everybody is so completely understaffed like the southwest airlines thing is like all of the benefits

of this current system fall to like the c-suite and the people who are making decisions like at the higher levels in the companies who are the only thing they have to pay attention to in order to do their job and to feel like they're successful at the job is like how Wall Street, like Wall Street is the only incentive that they have to care about. And then all of the customer facing employees and the customer, And then all of the customer facing employees and the customer, the consumers themselves are just like fighting a war between each other and just like becoming more and more miserable. And like, this isn't, I think this is invisible. Like this is the sort of thing that we just kind of, it's like a, this is water type thing.

It's like the, the weather is getting slowly worse, but we're not noticing it because we're just living in it day to day. But, you know, all of these consumer indices are have gotten like way, way worse since they started tracking them in like the 1970s. They just get worse and worse and worse because everything has gotten less and less and less regulated. And the only thing that these companies have to pay any attention to is their stock prices. So they cut employees. They, you know, they just do these things that make it impossible for the people at the lowest levels who are dealing with the consumers and make the consumers experience worse. And of course, none of this is mentioned in the wall street journal

article the only way no way the only way that it registers to them is they're like you know they every time an angry consumer contacts a company that company is losing money and that's one way to view it but of course i don't think that even makes sense just because it's wasting their time so you have to like spend resources on dealing with it and also probably is like bad marketing so i guess but if you deal with it well then the customer will come back and so then are you making money but you have to pay money to deal with it well like that's the damn thing about this market like the if you're going to let the free market run your country, you have

to acknowledge that this essentially means your country doesn't work. This system... Tell me more, Jack. Yeah, I don't like it. They're just... They feel like that's wasted time and wasted money

spent dealing with angry customers. And if we all just agree to treat customers like shit, then they don't really have another option. left-handedness went up after left-handedness stopped being categorized as like a medical deficiency and sort of being categorized as just an alternate way of fucking writing yes and so then the rate went up because people weren't being forced to write with their non-dominant hand anymore and this feels like that where it's like you know now that we have the internet and yelp and every company has to have a website and a twitter and an instagram there are so many more ways for angry customers to tell you how angry they are so it's i don't know if they're angrier or if they just

have easier access to you to tell you that they're upset because it used to be when you were mad at an airline that you could basically go fuck yourself. But now you can tweet at them and they have to pay attention. Right. But I mean, they've been investing in like cute social media, like Southwest Airlines is like, oh, Monday's. Am I right? And like, so they have like somebody who they, you know, pay a lot of money to like give their corporate brand a fucking like lovable personality right and at the same time like satisfaction with southwest airlines couldn't be lower because that's like they don't fucking need to care about the consumer because that is how the system is set up it's just

allowing them to focus on creating shareholder value. Yeah. Okay. This is something I want to go back to here. So the American Customer Satisfaction Index, in my experience on a couple of different projects, innocuous names are sort of a flag and i want to figure like is it crooked that's my question is it like the american consumer satisfaction index brought to you by raytheon or whatever you know like is this i mean it's very easy through any number of proxies and platforms to make something like that that appears to be a non-profit. And again, the people working there, the people doing that research,

may actually not know the ultimate arbiters of it. You know, like what is... Also, I don't trust the Wall Street Journal. I'm sorry. No, I don't either. But it's just funny to see how they i think they're taking a real like signal that they're getting that the consumer experience across all these different things is getting worse and they're just treating it as like a

symptom that like corporate ceos need to pay attention to like when crunching the numbers on their spreadsheets, as opposed to like a very real, like broad scale problem that is happening in the country where like, they just like, don't have to give a shit about like, you know, the consumers of their products or the people who work for them at the lower level and they keep firing people because it's like fashionable to do so. And so it's just this world that is being run by people who like have absolutely no connection to what our lived experiences are like out in the world interacting with their products. Unless they, to Sarah's point, unless they see the tweet, unless they see one of those other platforms or like, it's probably not them who has TikTok. It might be one of their kids and their kid is running up and telling the parent, oh, there's something bad, you know, like the president of Norfolk Southern lives here in Atlanta.

And, you know, before that, yeah, right. Before the heat hit, maybe one of that guy's kids came up and said, oh, my God, dad, that looks like people aren't super happy with everything. And he's like, well, tell me more about this social media, you know, Monty Burns hands and whatnot. Social media, you know, Monty Burns hands and whatnot. I mean, I think it's a beautiful point that, first off, there's some nomenclature, too, to unpack. Calling people customers or consumers is a little tricky because it makes them sound like they're not people. Humans. Humans. Yeah, right. So it does, though, even if with the problems that you've pointed out here, it does still feel like things are on the rise, but there's a dangerous disconnect in trying to attribute the reasons for that. Like you made the great point about understaffing.

People aren't like, of course, there's a longer line i was uh i was in um amsterdam a while back and i like got to the airport early to get a plane out because i knew you know there were pending strikes there were also very few people working at the airport and when people are in a terrible situation, airports are often a terrible situation in general, they were not thinking of looking at the systemic causes. They're people with a family and they're trying to get their family to the fucking other airport where they've got the layover because nobody can afford a direct flight from places, you know, and and they want someone to blame. And so a lot of people on the front lines of any customer service thing, they're having to be the scapegoats for the people at the top. And I think it's just gross, you know, like, I don't know. are being forced to work. Understaffing leads to people who are being forced to work with the threat of not having health care or being able to feed their family. And then the Wall Street

Journal will publish an article being like, why are Americans so unhappy? Is it their phones? like why are americans so unhappy is it their phones is it because they have the language to describe unhappiness now that they are going to therapy and it's like no motherfucker you have like a brutal like yeah that's a thing that americans are discovering rage right they know like they have the language to address it now. And so they are therefore aware of their unhappiness. And they're like, what is happening here, guys? How big of a stretch can you make? How has it gotten worse since the 70s? And it's because the companies...

Therapy. It's therapy. No, you're right, Jack. It's mental health. It's been a scam the whole time. All it does is make people unsatisfied and make women unsatisfied with home life. But that is like a legitimate thesis that is getting spread around out there instead of, no, the overall economic conditions are worse because you have just

allowed Wall Street to run the entire country. And that is what happens. Like the market doesn't function, doesn't functionally work, doesn't create a functioning society. It creates this. I'm telling you, the problem with head houses is the doors are too small, says the Fox.

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah. Like, Hey, Hey, it's,

there's an older, excellent speech about that. But, but this, this idea is kind of nuts too, because we have to realize that there are plenty of younger generations. If I were a parent right now, I would be a little concerned, which I know sounds will get a job at some point and has to deal with this. Like, how understaffed can a place be? How long can a line get? Who can afford these things?

Like, if you are working at a call center, right, in many cases, your job is to get yelled at for like eight hours, not counting your mandatory overtime. And is that like when your kid tells you about their dream job? When they're like, oh, I want to be, you know, whatever, the first werewolf astronaut on the moon. And then you say, well, you could also-

We've already had many werewolf astronauts on the moon. Yes. You're you're a Comcast fit. I think you should you should be on the front lines of the Comcast phones or whatever they're calling. Truly. Yeah. Yeah. I am a parent.

It's a nightmare. Come Warner. Yeah. They will all be one company. And they're most because I mean, that's the thing is that like we read about like there are these characters who get turned into the main characters of the news. And they're all the CEOs. They're like the Elon Musk's and like the you know, the people that the Wall Street Journal like give names and faces to. But the vast majority of the country is the people who are on just like eating shit every day because of the decisions made by those people. And then the only way that that shit eating registers is in like these vague fucking like surveys where they're like consumers indicate that they're like less satisfied and more likely to just, quote, go fucking berserk as a result of the bad. If things were so hard for the peasants, why do they have so much time to raise so much rabble about this?

Exactly. Rouse. Damn it. Whatever. Leave it. And that's the truth, is that we don't have enough time to raise the rabble because we are trying. We're being worked like end to end. And like, that's the thing that I think we saw in 2020 when things like slowed down and everyone like looked around was like, fuck all of this.

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$58.7 million in North America. More than $100 million globally. The biggest opening ever for the creed rocky franchise or a sports movie which that's crazy that's surprising some big sports movies that's surprising to me yeah ali it made more than ali yeah well i guess also you know adjusted for inflation i guess but like because when ali came out tickets were six dollars but like that is still surprising to me i mean rocky four was like i mean i guess it's different like but rocky four like was the number one movie for like half of the year that it came out but you know i guess

they just didn't people they only released like eight movies back then so you just knew you could catch it the next weekend yeah and now movies only stay in theaters for six days or some shit like it'll be created to be on streaming next month i'm sure yeah um yeah yeah but even it even beat d2 mighty ducks part two so wow he's doing something right but yeah i don't know. The other story that kind of emerged was that Michael B. Jordan and Tessa Thompson went to couples therapy in character for the movie. Tessa Thompson said,

I think the moral of Creed III is that all people should go to therapy. That's pretty much the moral of Creed III. Yeah. Presumably people should go to therapy as themselves, but going as someone else seems to work pretty well too. Yeah. That's very funny. I did

see Kree 3, so I'm not you know, I'm not going to give I'm going to try my best to not give any spoilers. So no spoilers. However, I'm going to just give my opinion on the movie. So if you don't want to hear anything i will just say that to you right now i i i had never seen any of the creeds before this week

oh just get that out there and like i know i know like the writers i know the dude who wrote the first movie not ryan coogler but his writing partner aaron covington shout out aaron who also is a writer on grand Crew, which is out now. So please go watch it. But also like, I just never got around to watching it. I don't know why. I don't know why. It was a movie I've always wanted to see,

but I decided to watch both Crees this week before I went to go see Creed 3 because I really wanted to see Creed 3 because the trailer looked dope. Jonathan Majors is having himself a year. He looks fantastic in it. I wanted to see the movie. I watched Creed 1, Creed 2. Fantastic. Truly fantastic fucking movies. Creed 2, I was high as shit when I watched it.

It got me emotional. It was a beautiful movie. It's such a good movie. Creed 3 is a good movie. It's a good movie. Okay. Creed 3 is a good movie creed 3 is a good movie it's a good movie it's a good movie okay all right okay it's a good movie now what do you say go watch it go watch it i'm telling you in the grand scheme of movies it is a good movie it is worth the watch it is worth the time to go and enjoy some time at the movie theaters it wasn't your left me left wasn't your favorite Creed? Wasn't my favorite Creed.

Wasn't my favorite Creed. I don't know if this is a spoiler or not. I don't think it is, but I thought it was too short. Interesting. That's what I'll say. I think the movie is too short. The movie is missing key elements

that time would have given the movie that the other two movies had and and i don't know what that is and and i've noticed this recently like a lot of movies are starting to like shorten their run not a lot because there's still some three hour fucking movies but movies are starting to shorten their runtime a little bit and studios are starting to make a conscious effort to all right maybe you don't need to be in a movie theater for two and a half hours. And I've always said this. If a movie is good, I don't give

a fuck how long it is. If a movie is good, we'll be there. And I know not everybody's the same, but if the story is compelling, a great movie can make two and a half hours seem like 90 minutes, right? A bad movie can make two and a half hours feel like a whole

fucking day so like that that's my take on that i thought the movie was too short i thought the movie was missing some things but the movie is still good michael b jordan is great these niggas look amazing in this movie john and the majors is just oh my god on another planet right now they really crushed it with marketing wisewise. They really knew their audience to some degree because, man, it was a lot of just wet bodies. I'm like, well, well, well, well, I've never seen a

boxing movie before, but it was spicy just for 30-second trailers. The pitch to studio executives was like, we all know Jonathan Majors exists. What if he was wet? Yeah.

They were like, what? Like, heads start exploding. Yeah, that guy's just like Scrooge McDuck-ing his life, diving into money right now. He's got to have so much money. Quantum Mania, this movie back to back. I mean, I want to see his bank account Yeah, I also love Craft and

Loki He was on the Netflix movie The Harder We Fall And he's great, that's the good thing I love I love when an actor is having their moment I love when a black actor is having their moment and I love that when actor is having their moment I love when a black actor is having their moment

and I love that when on top of their black ass moments they're also fucking fantastic so it's like they deserve this much not they they're not just having a moment because they're having a moment they're having a moment because they are fantastic and it's like Jonathan May just has it he he is on another planet right now as far as acting goes. And he's doing the damn thing. And I love it. He really is. I think he's going to be like,

he's on his trajectory to be one of the best actors of our generation, hands down. Yeah. He's having his Mahershala Ali moment from like two, three years ago. Right, right. Mm-hmm. But even that felt like Mahershala Ali

was like a little, tried to keep it like so there wasn't so much maher shawley that like we didn't we we weren't left wanting more but jonathan majors is just like suddenly everywhere and everyone's like yes feed me feed me please more that's a good point that i don't know you never hear people say a movie is too short like if a movie is a good hang sometimes it feels too short and the only complaint is like cranky film critics being like i have to pick up the kids wrap it up it's like i don't know if that represents most film fans like i yeah if i'm enjoying myself i'll hang you know oh yeah on it on it beats going out to bars

yeah such a homebody nowadays and i'm like it feels like i'm doing so much more than i am when i go to a movie that's really long i'm like yes i had a full night of fun i didn't go out i went i came home at midnight and i feel so accomplished at a three-hour film i love going to i love i'm a theater head i love going to the movies. I love the experience. It's amazing. AMC A-list for life. You know,

for those of you who don't have AMCs in your town, it's a movie subscription program where basically one month costs the price of one fucking ticket. It's amazing.

You can see like nine movies a month. So I'm in the theaters all the damn time. And when I say this movie was short, it wasn't just like, I wish that it was longer so I could have been enjoying myself more. I just felt like there were key parts of the story. They rushed something.

That they rushed through. That, especially with me just seeing both Creed's like this week. So it's very fresh in my mind how those stories let all their beats breathe in the way that it needed to that that's my that's my complaint on creed three however go watch that shit two black leads michael b jordan's director directorial debut that's a beautiful movie shot well good movie felicia rashad you know give it up for our mom, for Alicia Rashad. It's a good time, y'all. It's a good time.

Yeah, like they don't even fit the boxing, the fight in at the end. They're just like, you get the first round and then they're like, and yada, yada, yada. You know who wins anyways. That's not true.

Kind of. That's funny. They focus more on the therapy aspect in that one yeah was it really therapy heavy like that's what i'm my main takeaway from this review from tessa thompson is that it's a a boxing film about therapy first fighting second okay yeah man i was this this or my i was sitting at a bar one time in 20 when i think the first Creed came out in 2015, right? I was sitting... Yeah, somewhere around there.

I was sitting in a bar and I remember so specifically because the guy next to me was like, ugh, ugh. Just like couldn't keep himself together. And the bartender is like, are you okay? He's like, Creed's ruining my life. And I'm sitting there so invested and then he begins to tell the bartender that he used to date tessa thompson i don't think any of this is true

but he says he used to date tessa thompson and that she left him for the movie creed i don't i don't that doesn't track your your name is you have a you know a supreme shirt on your name is nick i don't think so no no same bro i would have just been like same bro yeah i think yeah i think he needs to watch this movie and maybe heed tessa thompson's words go to therapy also i hope it is true i hope i hope he did date tessa thompson and she left him to go film creed because what a ludicrous thing to be upset about like yeah dude left your ass to go film a fucking movie you just have to be like yeah good call by you tessa thompson yeah i just if you if you go to a bar and you're just going and you make noises i don't trust anything that's coming out of your mouth after that i think it's all lies yeah it's like what happened to you today please tell me everything okay um but anyway

they got they got like big movies coming out every weekend this month which is the first time I can remember that. Like Scream 6 is next week. Shazam 2 the week after. John Wick 4. We just need a 5 and we would have the whole thing. We would have Dungeons and Dragons on or Among Thieves. Among Thieves, rather. March 31st, which I don't know how that one's going to do. I'm very excited. Listen, I'm very excited excited why is this dude calling me oh sorry uh i'm very excited for uh

i gotta i got some shit to get off my chest man do you know if you can get me back in contact with tessa uh she left me to do creed 3 too man and she never came back she never came back but now i completely forget oh i love that i'm loving you look for the past from like basically 2009 up until 2020 the blockbuster lane has been filled almost exclusively with MCU. And I'm not knocking that at all. I had a fucking great time last decade watching the book that was the MCU, like, unfold on the movie screen. So this isn't me complaining about that. actor who's an entertainer who does movie uh like film and tv and have loved this medium since i was a child i am loving the re-emergence of the original summer blockbuster like when we were

kids when like independence day was a blockbuster and like men in black basically will smith and then or like even like liar liar being a blockbuster movie kind of like or jaws like i'm loving that movie stars were their own genre of yeah there's the will smith movie there was jim carrey movie there's a bruce willis movie those were their own genres they were their own genres and and i'm loving i love that top gun was fucking like a big movie last year. Like, I love that Kree 3 is a big movie right now. Like, I love that these non-MCU movies are coming back to the theaters and saying, we are putting asses in seats again. And it's a pretty dope thing that I hope continues. So I'm excited for this year of movies.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. year of movies yeah yeah yeah it does feel like we've been like i've had this sense that like some some movies over the past couple years have done better than they would have otherwise because there was just nothing else like coming out for four weeks like that i feel like everybody was scared of avatar so they just like didn't release that much after Avatar came out. But it's not like Hollywood to leave money on the table. But I guess film productions are so... They take so long.

You have to be greenlighting these things so far in advance. I do feel like they've probably recognized that and started ramping up production. But we're just now seeing it. I feel like there used to be a box office battle that you actually didn't know who was gonna win back in the day you're like oh shoot these two movies i mean half the time it was two similar movies coming out and you're like well why is this happening two movies about bugs do we need this many movies about bugs but it was you never knew which one was gonna win it was really exciting to watch and now you just go knowing okay everyone's gonna see this movie no one's gonna see this movie and that sucks i want more movies like that one but no one's

seeing yeah yeah i think they should release two movies about planet destroying asteroids every weekend hell yeah for in perpetuity that's my what were the two bug movies oh i my brain was coming up with a blank a bug's life i mean oh oh okay got it and titular and ants and ants of course but i just i just read something because i'm so invested in like those dual movies where they always have the same premise coming out within like a month of each other or something yeah and uh that one was truly out of spite. I just found out that Bugs Life and Ants, it was like a director from Disney went to make Ants and was like, well, they're making a movie about bugs.

Somebody get me a script. And then they made one. Right. Yeah. It's like also when No Strings Attached and Friends with J. Fitz came out. It's the exact same fucking movie. Yeah.

They exist in my brain as the same movie. They are the same movie. You could splice them together. I feel like you could. Just a lot of no strings in those films. Neither one. Alright. That's going to do it for this

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