The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 271 (Best of 4/17/23-4/21/23)

Episode Date: April 23, 2023

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I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laugh extravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Daniel, we are thrilled to be joined. It's been enough of our bullshit chit-chat.

Let's get down to it. We're thrilled to be joined by one of our favorite guests here on the Daily Zeitgeist, a talented writer, host, actress. Welcome back to the show Yeah. So I want to general. I think a lot of people want a general high. The thing that I don't understand is how people can get high and then write like who wants to write when you're I want to take a bath and go to bed. the thing with like ADD medication for people who don't need it. It affects them like speed. And for people who do need it, it actually calms them down. Like, I think there's a similar thing that happens with weed. Like, I know people who used to like need to get high before class to like do as well as they possibly could. I just think that there's, it totally affects people in different ways. For me, it gave me a panic attack

and I just kept it going. I just kept being like, nah, I want to be cool. I'm going to keep giving myself a panic attack. But yeah, writing while high, I, the times that i tried that was non-productive i will say i'm similarly unproductive when it comes to being high i can i can smoke weed and play ultimate frisbee and that's about as far as hilarious mind functioning active activity plus weed can get other than that it's on the couch watching succession or something yeah succession seems stressful to me honestly you know i think i did a couple episodes super blaze and i had to me honestly you know what i think i did a couple episodes super blaze and i had to like watch them again because i was like i think i missed the whole business transaction who's this old guy again stop telling me to fuck off

how much of the lingo the business lingo are we supposed to understand because i feel like they throw a bunch in there that's probably like a reference to something they've worked out in the writer's room but like they're not counting on us knowing what the fuck they're talking about i feel like it excites it's the same thing with like all of their la slash hollywood references like i just i know that it excites the groups that it excites and i wrote on a similar show that had like a big business aspect. And we had like a business, someone that that's their job that went through all of the scripts to kind of make it sound like we actually knew what the fuck we were talking about. Oh, wow. Business consultant.

Yeah, business consultant. There you go. Wow. Sorry, I am high. So. No, but I mean, usually business consultant is the most general job that you can possibly tell someone you do. I'm a consultant. That must be the number one job that CIA agents tell people they do because they know it will immediately turn people's brain off, but also kind of true. Yeah, exactly. You know, McKinsey, it's like McKinsey, but not. Yeah. Because I also kill people. Exactly.

What is something from your search history? Okay. I recently Googled Claire's ring watch because I had one as a youth. If you're not sure what a Claire's ring watch is. Claire's. Let me tell you so claire's the store in the mall that has like you know jewelry and accessories for like tweens mostly um but i think and sometimes i still go in there and i find something i like uh but this was like the store that I would frequent on any mall trip as a tween and

teen just, you know, regularly. And I had at one point, so mood rings were really popular for a while. Maybe they are still or again, I don't know. I'm not, I still don't quite understand Gen Z fashion. And I'm like, that was something I wore in high school and you're doing it again? Okay. So there was this ring that you could buy that was like, it was just a miniature watch. Like if you picture like a Casio style watch in your head, it was like that. And then it was a ring. The size of a ring.

Yes. So you would wear it on your finger. And so it was like that and then it was a ring the size of a ring yes so you would wear it on your finger and so it was like very bulky and like not a great ring but it like was a functional watch so you could like tell the time on your little ring watch and then the one i had had a little like the like the face of the watch had an alien on it because this was back when alien imagery was very popular. I want to say circa 1997, 98 kind of thing. X-Files. Yeah. Yeah. And then the alien would change colors depending on my mood.

And it was so accurate. Oh, my gosh. It's like the Swiss army knife of trends. Yeah. Finger watches. Yeah. It was, you know, like psychologically analyzing me. It was telling me the time.

It was making me so my, you know, my just fingers look so cool. Like multifunctional. Did you ever put on your middle finger and be like, hey, could you tell me what time it is to someone you were mad at? Oh, that's a good. You could do that kind of. Anytime. Yeah. I am looking at the pictures.

They are. I don't know what I expected, but they're bulkier. You certainly can't get away with wearing multiple on the same hand. No, maybe not. They are massive. wearing multiple on the same hand. No. Maybe not.

They are massive. They're also shockingly priced. Like, one from Etsy is $13.90. There's another one you can get for $3.59. This seems like a marvel of technology to me. I know. And they're giving them away. Yeah.

What is happening? I don't remember exactly why i googled it in this in the first place i think i was just like talking to friends and i was like remember those things that we had and then i googled it to see if you could still buy them and i honestly might get one even though i don't wear any like finger rings yeah i mean absolutely go off i have to mention i have to mention at the same time despite the uh despite the widely available nature of course a company like fossil had to take advantage and sells a 100 version as well which seems extravagant like what that i trust that more than a $5 version for some reason. My inner dumb capitalist is like, well, it must work

better because where'd all that money go? I certainly don't blame you for the trust element, but just in terms of the actual electronics needed to make this happen or the mechanics, $100 seems a little steep. I agree. Especially if you can find one for

$3 elsewhere. Yeah, exactly. The Claire's website, claires.com, sells it for five pound. There we go. It's not available in the US, so shipping is going to be a real bitch on that one.

It's a good look. I did not encounter it it was after my time apparently i was there for mood rings and i remember mood rings being a thing my parents were like that shit again because i think it was like popular when they were kids also it's funny yeah you were going into claire's all the. It's just that they hadn't... They weren't a thing yet. It was early Claire's. You know, it wasn't... They weren't there. It was more jelly bracelets and...

Of course. And getting your ears pierced. Well, telling my mom I was going to get my ears pierced and then running out crying because I was too scared. Now, what is something you think is overrated? The trailer for The Idol came out yesterday, and I'm just like, I don't know. Now, what is something you think is overrated? The trailer for The Idol came out yesterday. And I'm just like, I don't know.

It's just like, let me let Sam Levinson, man. Like, okay, I love Euphoria. I think there's obviously some issues with Euphoria, especially Barbie Ferrer's character. I love Kat. And so it breaks my heart that she's not going to be in the new season. But I totally get why. Because she wasn't getting good stuff and just hearing all the horror stories from like their set and just like how,

like what was supposed to be like this really kind of feminist story kind of turned into like torture porn and like anti-feminist stuff. So, you know, like I'm gonna, I'm going to say like a light overrated is Sam Levinson. So yeah, I'm like,

I'm the creator of that show um along with others he took over as the director but i did yeah i was just like all of these shows on hbo are getting canceled um so many like poc stories so many things taken off streaming and then yeah i think this was reshot for like millions and millions of dollars. And I'm just like, Oh, so he just gets a free pass to do whatever. But then let's cancel this. We lose Gordita Chronicles.

Yeah. That was crazy. I was fucking with that show too. It's really good. Yeah. I didn't give it any kind of chance. And it's the show that before the discovery merger happened with Warner brothers,

they almost certainly would have been like, let's give it another season and see if it can find its audience. Like Lissa Spooky's doesn't have a huge audience, but it's very impactful to its audience. To the people who do show up. And it's, yeah, to your point, like, you know, we've heard a lot of former black and brown executives who were let go at Warner Brothers, you know, have let us know, like, there's an agenda out here to get rid of us at this company, which is not surprising because they're doing a ton of downsizing and then you see where they're spending their millions it's confusing because after they

dropped that little scene with the weekend and johnny depp's daughter i was like is this is this this is what we're doing this is it this right here wasn't it like so filled with like really graphic depictions of like sexual assault violence that they had to cut shit out to be like okay maybe a lot of like people on the crew were like this set is like a horror to be on and it's just like you know like what this story once was has now disintegrated into like, you know, someone okay with being like abused and assaulted for like the music is the understanding that I have. And yeah, I was watching,

I saw that trailer and I was just like, yeah, I don't know. Like, maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I was just like, dude, like that girl is being exposed left,

right center. Right, right, right. What, uh uh what's something you think is underrated so i had originally like minding your own business because i'm seeing a lot of drama but then at the same time i kind of enjoy the drama so i'm like uh is it really but yeah okay so what wait so it is minding your business yeah i will go with that for now but then at the same time minding your business but enjoying it from the outside how about that you can do that okay so yeah lurking lurking is under lurking yeah oh god that makes me sound because then you're not inserting well i mean but that's like an internet term when you like you look at websites but you don't engage in the conversation, you're just lurking.

That is my Twitter persona. That is my social media persona, I will say. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. So lurkers of the world unite. Sometimes you just want to watch people fight. But stay in your corner. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You don't have to be part of it. I like to post that neighborhood watch thing. That's the only thing I post on any social media platform, but I just put it up there to let people know I'm the watch. They're always under my watchful eye. I accidentally got as one of the admin just because my neighborhood didn't have a page. I didn't know this. So you like, if you don't have a page, if you get two or three people to come on and then because you're one of the first people, you become an admin for it. So I did not. That was the worst way for me to be on the neighborhood next door pages in the world. You're a mod for your neighborhood?

I didn't mean to. I ignore it now. But, like, I would get notifications and be like, do you accept this post? I was like, this is the worst. They have too much time on their hands. Right. They're like, they're scared of a pride flag. And they're going to call the police on the flag, not the homeowner.

This flag. I don't know. I don't know what it's up to. What do you guys think? I need your input. Wait. When you say the neighborhood watch. Which one do you mean, Jack?

The weird eye or the dude in like the trench coat who has like the mask. The trench coat who has like this one. Yeah. He has a fedora on. A very angular fedora. Yeah. What is the... Like, who is... Like, where did this come from

that we're like, look out for this guy. The man in the Zorro mask. He kind of looks like the beginning of a Hamburglar. Yeah, right? Is he a Hamburglar? Does he have a trench coat on?

I mean, he has very angular clothing on. I don't know if he's wearing like Rick Collins or something. Very, very angular. His eyes stop... Like, his face stops right below his eyes, I think. And he, I've actually got a spec script that I'm working on to explore the National Neighborhood Watch logo shared universe, cinematic universe. Oh, wait, there was that movie that they had to take down because of well the

shootings but didn't was it seth rogan didn't they try to do like a comedic movie based on neighborhood watch yeah call it was called neighborhood watch and then they changed it to watch or the watch yeah and they had to postpone it because of all the shit that went down so that that movie comes up a lot because it's one of Super Producer Anna Hosnier's favorite comedic scenes. Oh, the one with Vince Vaughn? Vince Vaughn is seeing

the Russian nesting dolls for the first time and each one comes out and his mind is blown by each successive Russian nesting doll. He's just like, can't get over the concept.

Yeah, so that was a movie called Neighborhood Watch. And then it came out as The Watch. Yeah. Someone actually watched it. And apparently has some moments, has its moments, which is all I look for in a comedy. Give me one scene that sticks in my brain and I'm yours. Very low bar.

Oh, yeah. Very low bar. The lowest of bars. We're just like're just like oh yeah i had that one one do you want did you want like for me i'm like i only know that scene because it was just shown to me in isolation right and i was like and that's why i was like oh i know that part i don't know what the fucking movie is about that's why i was like oh the vince vaughn rushing nesting doll movie but i didn't realize there was any controversy attached to the yeah i mean our great maga laureate vince yeah no it was around the trayvon thing because it yeah it was about to

come out oh that's oh yeah so it really was bad yeah yeah okay well i think it also has like an alien plot line so why not yeah as it As all of them should. Don't limit yourselves with your ideas, please. Some extraterrestrials always spice things up. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk some news. We'll get into it. We'll be right back.

I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members,

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fight which is play dead it seems like he's just sitting there and talking about so trying to change the subject have you ever tried to when someone and talking about trying to change the subject. Have you ever tried to, when someone's fighting you, try to change the subject? Well, fuck you up, man. What do you think the chances are of Arsenal winning a Premier League title this year? It's been a few years. What? Shut up. By the way, you know what's going to happen with this American news, right?

I'm going to ask basic ass questions as an Indian person. And you will feel like I feel when I meet going to ask basic ass questions as an Indian person. And you will feel like I feel when I meet Americans and they ask me questions about India. That's what's going to happen. And I think that's really, I think that's why you're a perfect guest because, you know, so much of your material is about looking at sort of the absurdities of your society, your culture. And we can't pick a more absurd one than the United States right now in the year 2023. Well, I feel like you guys are hard on yourselves.

Everybody's going through something or the other. But OK, so to make it basic, Ron DeSantis is the guy who's going to maybe take Donald Trump's place. Potentially would be the would be the presidential candidate who could run against Joe Biden in 2024. Assuming Joe Biden is also the candidate for the Democratic Party and still and knows that it's 2024. Yes, exactly. Right. Oh, he doesn't know it's 2023. So that we were we're beyond that as as a requirement that that man thinks it's 1967 and he's cruising in his vet. Yeah, exactly. And this man is as charismatic as Trump. No. He's not. So he is. We've been talking about this for a while because he's been like the great hope of the mainstream media and the people who were, you know, who wanted Jed Bush or Jeb Bush to win before Trump.

Like, you know, they were the people who discounted Trump, who were Republicans. Like, this is their hope. They're like, all right, enough with the Trump silliness. We have this other great candidate. We're going to move on. And it's just like 2016 all over again or 2015, I guess, the Republican primaries where it's just like, oh, wait, nobody wants to vote for this motherfucker. Right. Yeah. And that's that's the test that Republicans have. Right. Because if you're a republican now you're really being asked the question your vote is it based on actual ideology or just on fandom right you know because maybe you voted for trump for fandom but now if ron desantis comes in like that's the actual test of how much you believe in your ideology so yeah it but unfortunately like it's gone it's

basically like marvel like it's the mcu now It's all about fandoms. There's nothing about policy. It's like, oh, this guy's kind of like Thanos almost. And he's going to own the libs with how powerful and like, you know, how regressive he is. But yeah, like with Ron DeSantis, he's really trying to differentiate himself by trying to run to the right of Donald Trump, which is what worries some of these donors because Ron DeSantis has been very enthusiastic about how he's just gonna, just completely kneecap abortion. In Florida, the state legislature, they just passed a bill that would ban abortion after six weeks when most people don't even know they're pregnant.

And DeSantis is like, I'm signing that shit, okay? Watch this because I'm actually about overturning Roe v. Wade. OK, and again, he's trying to court this very hyper conservative audience going into the primary. But a lot of people who are just onlookers are just sort of saying this like abortion thing with conservatives. It is one of the most consistently losing messages in recent memory. Like it's, it's been loss after loss with these candidates who like evoked and like, I'm anti-choice. And most people with,

you know, value body autonomy are like, yeah, no, that I'm going to move on from that, which is most people like that. Most people do value body autonomy and that's why it's such a political loser. Yeah.

I don't even think it's you know sometimes when i'm when i see regressive policies just sort of worldwide you know something i tell myself is everybody who's upset at you is going to be dead in 10 years right whenever i'm in trouble right right right i feel like you know like on your last day of work that's when you take a shit in your boss's office and walk out, right? I feel for this generation of politicians and leaders, they've just figured out this is their last day at work.

And they're taking a shit in the boss's office. Except they are the boss and they're taking a shit in each of our cubicles as they go out. But they're not going to be around to smell it. Right. That's the important part.

And like, meanwhile, too, this is kind of like Republicans across the country are really doubling down on the abortion issue with like the worst possible takes. Last week, we brought up Tim Scott, who's running for president. He evoked like he's been evoking replacement theory as a reason to end abortion, which is something we've also seen in Nebraska. We also got another really healthy helping of the racist anti-Semitic trope from state Senator Steve Erdman, who looks like the kind of guy that has never spoken to a woman outside of giving a directive. But I just want to say, like, we'll just play his, his fear mongering around. This is, this is the problem when we give people body autonomy. Oh yeah. We have killed 2000 babies since abortion became legal. Just so you know, he means 200,000. He meant to edit that, but he's

going to keep saying 2000 because he doesn't, he doesn't even have this monologue memorized okay right those are 2000 people in the state of nebraska that could be working and filling some of those positions and we have vacancies they're not here instead who's our state population has not grown except by those foreigners who have moved here or refugees who've been placed here why is that it's because we've killed 200 000 people these are people we've killed so there's that that's uh that's phase one of that take if he's like yeah so you know i hate to say it but it's these brown people that are moving in that are replacing the little white babies that I'm talking about in Nebraska. But again, he's just he's relying on this very racist trope that we've seen from Charlottesville and many other places when you hear like they will not replace us type of shit. Is that what you think the abortion thing is driven by is that we need to have enough of a white population going out there is that what you think it is i think it's one of the things they're trying i think

you know like that that's one of the arguments they're testing out i think a lot of it is about wanting to control women and not like having a patriarchal society that is like down to bodily autonomy but it is it is something that like very very wealthy industrialists talk about in private, about this idea of, are there enough babies? And are there enough white babies? And what does that mean to the racial makeup of the country? Or is there enough revenue for this big industry that is babies and children as well, right? Yeah. Do we have enough customers in general? Yeah. But yeah, it's something too that, again, by evoking or invoking the replacement theory, you perk the ears up of like ethno nationalists, white supremacists and also evangelicals who are like, oh, yeah, good abortion. And yes, more white people. I like that, too, because I fear a brown America. And so, yeah, that's one take. His colleague, John Lowe, decided he was going to use, for his rhetorical attack, he was going to read from a spooky book

of ghost stories to really bring the point home about how abortion is just so very bad. Here's him again. Be careful. It's a very spooky ghost story he's about to tell. With a brand new baby in her womb. Marrying her new baby in her womb, she approaches Elizabeth. And John is in Elizabeth's womb. And the Holy Spirit is communicated in some miraculous, incredible way from the womb of the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ himself to the womb of Elizabeth, John the Baptist, and John leapt. And that is why abortion is clearly evil. Boom.

Laugh track. They're laughing. Yo. And that is why abortion is clearly evil. Second punchline. Okay, he repeated. Yeah, he needed another bite of that punchline. He repeated. He needed another bite of that punchline. Yeah.

So he said that is... You can see somebody behind him. The camera, it's worth looking at because there's somebody behind him. I don't know if they're from the media, but they just when they realize what he's doing, they just cover their face. Yeah, yeah.

He's like, wait, hold on. What? He's like texting his wife. He's like wait he's like wait hold on what he's like texting his wife he's like you're not gonna leave what this fucking guy just said yeah i would have paid somebody five thousand dollars to just scream jesus is brown by the way yeah exactly are you sure about that are you sure you want to be sure about that's the story you want to tell no seriously and again i mean but, you hear that, Libs? Two ladies touched bellies and the one lady's ghost baby made the other baby move. So checkmate, assholes.

Abortion is evil. Like, huh? Here's my thing about your ideological battle in America that I find hilarious. As a liberal myself, right? And somebody who's quite leftist. Why would you have so much loathing for people who already have so much self loathing? Nobody hates on themselves more than the average

liberal, you know, just like a part of anxiety and self loathing, like we're hating ourselves enough for all of you. You don't need to do it. No, truly. It's it's I mean, again, this is like this is this is your brain on anti choice rhetoric, folks. You know, the people, you know, the like left to make a compelling case in some of these state houses have the charisma of an evil high school principal from an 80s movie. And I think while most people are thinking, why the fuck are they doing this when it's clear they've been losing election after election and like ones where they thought they were going to change this like state Supreme Court in Wisconsin, like over this issue, like we have to realize that people are getting right now in primary mode and they just want to make their case to the base first, even if it alienates, I don't know, 70% of the country when they hear it. And the overall strategy, especially in Ron DeSantis' case, as this one political science professor Jack Pitney puts it, he is betting on disaster. That is really what's going on too. The reason they're still stoking this fire is because they are hoping for some kind of terrible recession or foreign policy blunder, recession or foreign policy blunder disaster to help swing the focus off of the you know you know regression or the restricting of uh body autonomy or you know our own reproductive rights yeah

that's do you also feel like maybe you know you need some fire to stoke right at the end of the in a in a politically charged year and maybe the problem or the development of America as you look at it is that you're not able to stoke a religious fire for whatever reason, because you've kind of moved beyond that, right? And in many countries in the world, that's the basis of an election

is basic religious polarization. This religion against that religion. And you don't get to do that anymore. So really, all you have is abortion and guns, which kind of feel similar to religions, right in modern America. quite literally probably worship gun culture and things like that. It is the way and the way it's evoked to, you know, like people even say that, you know, Jesus even is sanctioning weapons. I don't know if you know this in a very charitable interpretation for their own means. But again, like even when they think of like, let's hope there's COVID-23 or something that is going to completely change the conversation. I mean, you know, abortion is a fundamental, right? And so one that probably becomes even more important if there's economic uncertainty,

like even if they're praying for a recession, I think people would even be more concerned with, oh, with my financial outlook being a certain way, it's probably even more important to me to be able to decide when I'm having a family. Or I don't think people are like, or the idea that, you know, if they have this take of like joe biden is gonna make america look weak to our enemies i don't think suddenly your concerns about body autonomy go out the window so it's a very it's just a it's just this weird issue that they're it's they they keep holding on to but it makes more sense if you consider that's like i think they're just hoping another issue comes up because they don't they'd rather make an election be like look at how bad joe biden messed up the economy than them having to defend here's why we believe you shouldn't have any reproductive rights

yeah i mean i do get nervous every time the republicans are banking on a disaster because they have a way of like you know the the story of nixon and kissinger prolonging the vietnam war like they nixon was running for president against johnson's vice president johnson was about to like have a peace treaty and they actively like went to v Vietnam and sabotaged the peace treaty, and were like, it's actually not gonna be a good deal. We'll get you a better deal, and we're gonna win. Like, it is one of the most profound acts of evil that I feel like probably got a little memory hold

because it didn't come out until decades after. I think it was the sort of shit that people at the time were like, Nixon's so evil, he probably did that. But he did do that shit. He did that shit. But like they will sabotage, they will cause the death of tens of thousands of Americans in order to get power. So anytime Republicans are like betting on disaster, I'm always a little bit worried, especially when it ties to the economy, which is a complex system driven by

Republicans, a bunch of rich people who are Republicans that like, and they could be the architects of a default too. You know what I mean? Through the obstruction. I think also, if you consider that, especially elections, like I have a friend who's a politician and he says, you know, the big mistake that people make is you think that people take a long time to make a decision about who they vote for. But if you're a politician, you understand that you have 20 seconds of a person's time. It's a 20 second decision. And that any sort of big election issue that really warrants introspection is a complex, nuanced issue, right? So what did Biden do to the economy, et cetera, et cetera?

You got to go into that. But the reason they keep repeating the greatest hits, because the greatest hits represent the minimum amount of words. It's literally grammar in election communication. Low taxes, pro-guns, pro-choice, you know, they're just very easy to drive decisions. And so it's kind of disheartening to think about these gigantic issues just being boiled down to economy of words. Yeah. For communication, for reaching people.

But economy of words gives you your farthest reach. Right. So it's actually a lot more simple than we think it is. Right. It's like, yeah, the term like thought killing cliche is also the other thing that's used. It's like, no, just once you hear that, it'll end any kind of further thought once you hear a certain talking less immigrants more guns lower taxes you just understand shit and so you have to keep the greatest hits in their current form so you have to keep talking about abortion save babies you know

despite yeah and it's like so funny too because like even after the last election republicans are like we lost we're we got to do something about getting more suburban women and then like we got it we got it spooky ghost stories about how baby jesus got john the baptist to kick his mommy's tummy gave him a forced ghost high five through his mother's belly and they did a flip yeah yeah yes yes yes and that's why you shouldn't make be able to have any decision making ability over your own body okay vote for us uh well we have a new segment on this show it's called woke alerts because this is no it's just a like some political action committee, consumers research is providing woke alerts to notify you when your favorite

company goes to woke. I mean, it's, I feel like we're seeing it with like the Bud Light thing. I like that. They, they sent a woke alert out for black rock. Yeah.

Yeah. Really? Woke wall street. Yeah. Yeah. They always talk about woke wall street, but I mean, this seems like, to be honest, it's easy to street but i mean this seems like to be honest

it's easy to make fun of it seems like a winning strategy to me because corporations are like very skittish and you can control what a corporation thinks is happening with a mailing campaign or you know getting 20 people to just send a bunch of angry emails to a corporate, you know, like they're, they're not, they, they're not like, they don't have morals. They, all they have is like, they're doing their best to see what they think is making people happy. And everyone is afraid of being fired. And lines go up. If line go up, then we're good. Make sure the line goes up, though. Please. Consumers Research is basically a lobbying firm

under the guise of a consumer watchdog. It's funded by Dark Money. They recently made the news for their effort to prevent Wall Street from factoring climate change into investment decisions. And they're just launching a huge campaign to anything environmental social progress they they're going to be there to claim that it is woke but like some of the stuff seems like confusing like it seems like they're like they freaked out when the american like, reduced legroom on flights, which...

Wait, that's woke? I guess that's woke. They're claiming that... I mean, do they even define what woke is? No. Can anyone define what woke is anymore? No, nobody can. There's an author who just published a book about, like, how woke brain disease is killing our children and went on a TV show. And they were like,

so just define woke for us because this is confusing to talk about this without having a clear definition. And she had no clue. She was just like, I, duh, bah. Well,

see what you just, you just wrote a book about it. It's, it's the, uh, hold on. Actually, let me find that clip because it's,

it's pretty fantastic. fantastic oh here we go would you mind defining woke because it's come up a couple times and i just want to make sure we're on the same page so i mean woke is sort of the idea that um i this is going to be one of those moments that goes viral. I mean, is something that's very hard to define and we've spent an entire chapter defining it. It is sort of the understanding that we need to re totally reimagine and we

re reduce society in order to create hierarchies of oppression. Sorry. I it's hard to explain in a 15 second sound bite okay okay i get it i get it i get it it's just again a thought-killing cliche for them too oh woke bad that's bad american airlines woke bad yeah that would have been a better answer oh yeah woke is bad is it really an election stance like anti-woke because i remember seeing a couple of candidates that you guys had were like i'm gonna get rid of the woke etc and yeah like okay i went to college in galesburg illinois and so this is this is america america right it's not new york america it's not and every bit of american pop culture i've ever seen tends to shit on the Galesburg, Illinois, in the middle of the countries.

You know, as if they're ignorant. But these are just very hardworking, very decent people who want to pay their bills and watch The Bachelor and go to bed at night. Right. And I think even if they were Republican and you went up to them and you're like, I'm anti woke, they'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? You know, get the fuck off my farm or get the fuck out of my cafeteria. You know? So is it really a thing?

I think what it's done, it is it from my perspective, they have perfectly encapsulated the feeling of like white hegemony or like cishet hegemony and the creeping influence of people that want more inclusive language that want more inclusive society and so those things because to them they're saying oh i gotta feel bad because now i gotta use people's pronouns people have preferred pronouns that's woke oh i have to now i can't i like i'm uh we're supposed to teach a of like a good faith interpretation of American history to

kids. So they understand this, that's woke. So anything that upsets that balance, or suddenly puts these people in a position where they're like, Oh, I got to feel bad about this, or I have to change the way I've been interacting with other people. That's how they just sort of deploy that word as a sort of the discomfort around any kind of progress that's occurring. And I guess it's become this like catch-all. It's not even what you define as progress. It's rewiring. Anything that requires rewiring will be easily determined as being allegedly woke.

Less legroom on an American Airlines flight. That's rewiring my posture. But I think, Veer, you're making a really good point that they, by being the ones who focus on woke, like they are the ones who keep bringing this shit up over and over again. And we saw in the last midterm elections that like people, you know, they're the ones who are talking about, you know, trans people and like top surgery and, you know, all these different things that people who live in Illinois, like where you went to college might not care that much about, but they are like, that becomes their talking point and like they own it. And they're the ones who are like talking about it. And I feel like it's also a losing political strategy, but it's one that gets a lot of attention. And so they, they're able to kind of profit off of it.

I think it tracks because you have such a large liberal media that picks it up as well, right? On both sides, it tracks. But, but I do think like, okay, I had host parents and my host parents, one of them was a cafeteria lady and one of them was a trucker. Right. And I mean, to them, material lady and one of them was a trucker right and i mean to them the fact that i was an indian thespian was as alien as the fact that you know that somebody was woke etc etc but i venture to say if you went up to either of those people and you you were like oh my god you got to use people's pronouns now you know etc they'd be like I'll call you a bottle of applesauce if you want me to call you that shit, if my taxes go down, you know, or if my life is made easier. And to take sort of their narrative and make it about these things is almost to disregard

their real narrative. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because, I mean, on this level, the GOP especially has completely abandoned any kind of policy. There's nothing, everything they evoke has nothing to do with substantive policy. It's about these culture war grievances because they feel that, I think they saw that that's energizing people, more so in like a rallies type situation where people are coming out and they've seen like school, like these school board meetings go up with a lot of people like, I don't want my kids knowing about like slavery in this country or whatever. And I think they're very short sightedly being like, okay, that bottle that

while in the meantime, to your point, the very real situation of living in the United States is also a force that acts on everyone. And they're, everybody's having to face inflation or unaffordable housing or wage stagnation and limited options for medical care. But because all of their things aren't really going to the heart of correcting those things, it's much easier to just go straight to, oh, my God, remember when you used to be able to just like just use slurs against gay people in public and it wasn't you didn't get canceled and like that to them it feels like okay that's a better place to just operate from because we're not going to have

a substantive policy debate right now because we've completely just normalized this sort of like culture war grievance thing as being the way we talk about politics yeah both sides are focused on distracting people from the core thing that they actually care about, which is like their material well-being. And, you know, both sides would rather not have corporations' economic health matter more than their physical health. But that is the world that both sides actually want to keep in place. And so they generate a bunch of noise to distract people, hopefully, that is their goal. Well, I also think that it's a very interesting time for your country, and I say this respectfully,

but I think America's getting used to the fact that what used to be one seat at the table is now many seats at the table, at least the global table. It's a different world we live in right now. Everybody's voice is equally amplified. But like, I remember going to college in America in 1999, right? And in 2000, 2001, so just before 9-11. I feel like it didn't really matter who the president was at that moment in time in America, or at least it mattered less because you were so far ahead of the global pack, you know, and there wasn't this big culture conversation and everybody's voices weren't

amplified. Your system had been so set that it really mattered very little who the president was and whether you were Republican or Democrat, you were going to be okay, no matter who the president was. And I feel like that somehow changed now where now it really matters ideologically who the president is. Yeah, I think part of that too is just, we've gone from, I think there's gradual and a gradual increase in people actually trying to understand civics in this country.

Because I think a lot for the longest time, it didn't matter in like the boom years of the 90s for many people, but there are plenty of communities that began to stagnate. And those were sort of like niche things that you would have to be really tapped into, like American culture to really care about. And now is like, I think the degradation of like our infrastructure and all these things

are becoming more widespread and felt people are beginning to understand more. It's like, oh, wait, what are these policies again? Oh, right. Before it used to be like, yeah, you care about babies, but abortion was never under threat. But then now it is. And suddenly, it's like, well, hold on now, like that, that actually fucking matters to me. And so I think it's part and parcel of just how, how difficult life is becoming for people and also having to inform yourself of like, you can't just be passive. But along what goes alongside of that is you have all these media apparatuses that are just there to get your attention and maybe say like, yeah, I know it could be about this, but let's talk about this other issue rather than, you know, do we live in a corporatocracy with that are run by a bunch

of plutocrats? And is that something we need to be concerned about? It's easier to say that Republicans won't do anything about guns. And, you know, the Republicans just go, the Democrats are woke when I think all people would rather say, I would like to make more money at my job. I would like to afford a house. I don't want to go into crippling debt because I want an education. Yeah. Like take take those points and make those real for me. Everything else is just to avoid the real reconciliation or the real reckoning that has to occur in this country, because that's, I think, one of our greatest strengths as a culture is our ability to avoid a reckoning with a lot of the shit that's been going on and just kind of paper over the cracks until, I don't know, it becomes completely untenable. Yeah.

Guys, I really think your election comes down to like a 20 minute debate. Like, it's very entertaining, but it really is. That's the American election. It's that 20 minute debate. I think you win and lose in that debate. It's really, it's like watching gladiators. It really is. difference between potentially another global like military conflict is because one guy made fun one old white guy made fun of the other old white guy on a stage and people are like yep all right that's it he owned him oh he owned him oh he's been pwned wait what i'm being conscripted and yeah who who knows if there's even anybody still making up their mind at this point who's still making up their mind about donald trump and jo still making up their mind about Donald Trump and Joe Biden? Like, what is it even 20 minutes? Like, what would it take for anybody to be like, wait, Donald Trump is running for president? All right. Let me see where he's at on the issues and then I be right back. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente.

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The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. And so is McDonald's, you guys. McDonald's. They did it. They did it. They did it. They did it. So this is being treated as in some corners, probably just in places that are willing to regurgitate a mcdonald's is soon going to offer this is being treated like now you can get breakfast all day from mcdonald's which was like huge news for

everyone like that news story was underrated like the when mcdonald's went to changing so that you could get mcdonald's breakfast every all day every day like yeah, that should have been a national holiday. Big things. But this is bullshit, I'm going to say. They're going to offer individual packets of Big Mac sauce for McNuggets

or just to accumulate and then bathe in. I don't know what the ultimate goal is here. You're spoiling my future YouTube content here, Jack. Again, I ask, what's the matter with that?

My bad. But you have to order it through the app, which means that this is all about forcing customers to download the app and get access to more data. Like we're, yes, you know, when they get behind closed doors and talk to investors, everything from like credit card companies to, you know, streaming companies, they're all like, we're actually data companies. That's what we do. We know everything about customers and we make marketing to them easier. So anyways, I don't know. This doesn't, i can't imagine i can't i can't like mentally come up with the person who is excited about getting access to big mac sauce or am i in the room with one of those people first of all i should ask is one of them present personally no but caitlin well no i mean i i i don't eat really that much meat anymore and definitely

not many mammals i don't know my diet is confusing it's like i eat a mostly plant-based diet but sometimes i have meat cheat days sort of like the fifth s Sith and the camp camp thing. I love a good wordplay. So I have my meat cheat days. But yeah, I mean, but I used to love Big Macs. And I got to say their sauce is tasty, but I'm not going to go out of my way to go get some. No, I'm not here to say that the Big Mac sauce is not tasty or big macs are not one of the great sandwiches i'm just when you have a big mac copycat it is the sauce is identical like the right ketchup like there's only really a couple of good ketchups and like for whatever reason they can't like nail ketchup other than like heinz and McDonald's does a pretty

good job with their proprietary ketchup but Big Mac sauce everybody's figured out and so like it's just doesn't seem like a thing to me personally but it just feels like a little bit like late in the sauce game for it to be the thing that you're offering when it's like every other burger place has been giving away that kind of sauce forever yeah it's just like you know the the thousand island substitutes have been out there for four generations and and and the it's like i don't know i mean of course the big mac is unique and the big mac sauce it's like that's always been the thing but it's it's just like it feels so late to the game to be like, and here's the sauce we're offering for the first time. It's like, I don't know.

It's just everybody's doing that forever. What is this, 2012? Thank you. Thank you. Hello. incentivizing people to use an app has got to be the easiest thing to do these days because people just want to check in on a thing and click a button and watch number go up until the point that it's like oh well i get a free thing now it's like the starbucks app is toxic it is toxic at being so good at getting me to buy more coffee so that line go up till i have 150 stars and i can get a free

latte yeah i feel like the starbucks app was engineered by the same people who made candy crush it's just like you quite literally it's fucked up if you gamify something it makes it yeah the oh my gosh accountability and inspiration and motivation all that stuff i'm the the amc app where it's like if you spend more money on snacks you get five dollars and which will buy you like half of a hot dog but i'm like yeah i tough i need more popcorn so i can get a five dollar reward yes please i mean if it fits it's the fucked up thing where it's like we have found a way to monetize every part of our lives to the point that I shouldn maybe while it might not encourage new people to download the app, because I think all of us here are like, who gives a shit? People who are already using the app are now using it more being like,

oh, they added another deal. Well, la-di-da, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yeah. I mean, I've been on the McDonald's app for most of this recording, just checking out, just refreshing, seeing what's new, what the drive-through wait time is at my three closest McDonald's. Placing orders at different stores, just getting them ready for later. Talking about meat-free and Big Macs, that seems like the easiest Beyond Collabor i don't know have they done that the beyond burger big mac they did the mc they did the mc plant which was their plant-based uh

plant-based patty which they did for a little while but they didn't do it as a big mac right no they did not well they also just discontinued it wasn't very popular the big mac patty gets lost and they they could like be selling beyond pattdies in big macs for a year and not tell anyone and everyone probably be like yep so that's what they need to be doing exactly so that this is my free advice to mcdonald's all right and then some free advice for netflix don't shut down your dvd service i just remembered you had it now that you're shutting it down and I want to use it again. This is, if this, if this was a, like a marketing scheme to be like, we're our DVD subscriber numbers have dropped too low. Let's pretend we're taking it away. It has succeeded

because I like they are, so they, they've announced that they're shutting down their DVD by mail business after 25 years. The Netflix DVD library was one of a kind, like over 100,000 titles. So many films that just like are not available to stream anywhere. Definitely not on Netflix. available to stream anywhere uh definitely not on netflix netflix by the way has i think a total of 38 movies older than the year 1980 and like 92 older than the year 1990 right so which a lot yeah are there even 90 movies before 1990 i I actually don't know. I don't think they were the main movies back then. I thought that's when they started making them. Yeah.

But this is... Like, 92, 93. Like, I feel like I, you know, made the switch from doing the DVD thing when I, you know, stopped having a DVD player. And when Netflix still had most things that I wanted to watch. When Netflix still had most things that I wanted to watch, and then as the streaming wars have kicked off, and now you have to subscribe to five different services to still have access to all the movies that you used to be able to get on Netflix. I feel like it's... I would go back to the DVD thing now. Well, two things. I don't know why I have to preface this that way. But I have a long relationship with Netflix DVDs where I started getting them like two or three years before anyone else I knew was getting them.

I think I started receiving. Yeah. Major brag. I liked it before. It was cool. I think 2004 because I was like I was a freshman in film school that year and I was like, I need to watch movies all the time. So I like heard about it and everyone's like, what's this new Netflix thing? And I was getting my three DVDs at a time and I was cycling through them, really making it worth it. And then

I had Netflix DVDs long before DVDs were a medium that anyone was using. So because you still can get a bunch of stuff that you couldn't have access to streaming and nowadays if something isn't on a platform to stream for free on the subscription that you have you can still rent most things for like whatever four bucks on youtube or amazon or something like that but there are enough things such as the super mario brothers movie 1993 that does not exist it's been scrubbed from the internet you cannot rent it buy it stream it it just does not exist that's like the sort of thing you'd want to do with a movie that predicted 9-11 exactly erase the evidence but i would hazard a guess that that movie is available to bought to

like whatever borrow or rent from netflix dvds same thing with jamie and i and i guess we're going to do an episode on the movie 200 cigarettes doesn't exist anywhere i can't rent it can't buy it can't stream it you cannot do that with crossroads there and other movies crossroads you know the um britney spears the britney spears classic wow so you know at least those three movies and probably why why did it get scrubbed that's funny but uh anyway all this to say i no longer have have Netflix DVDs, but I kind of wish I did sometimes because there's things that I don't want to like rent for four bucks. Like I had to rent Sausage Party because Jamie and I did an upcoming episode on it. And I'm like, I don't want anyone to have money from this movie.

It's the worst movie I've ever seen. But I had to pay four4 from it. I would rather just pay a lump subscription fee for something and then not feel like I have spent money on Sausage Party. That was a weird way to say the best movie you've ever seen.

I misspoke. I'm so sorry. I just opened an old notebook from the early 2000s that I just had in my closet and I had a Netflix DVD. Yeah, they are never getting back. Yeah, I did like pay for I remember paying for it. I was like, I'm being responsible. And, you know, they're otherwise they would have been like charging me monthly for the rest of their honest.

So, yeah, well, at least at least we know it's not your fault that that is going out of business you paid your dues yeah i don't know physical media i mean this video game i really like called death stranding where the entire thing is about we live in this post-apocalyptic world where now people are like desperate for physical media and this game has predicted like quote-unquote predicted so many things about like it came out before the pandemic and how everybody was stuck. And the only thing that was available to do outside was be a delivery person. And that felt so true. And the fact that they're delivering physical media, and now we're in a time where physical media is just slowly disintegrating, just feels too. I don't know, it feels very sad. It feels very apocalyptic in how we're just losing the things that we could actually physically hold on to.

And preservationists, people with huge catalogs and huge things on their walls where it used to be like, damn, why you got all them DVDs? Those people are saying, well, who's laughing now? I still have a binder full of DVDs, much like that one guy one time said he had a binder full of women. That's why I still have a bunch of books on my shelf. Like, yeah, I like physical media. Yeah, books made the leap. Yeah, books never got replaced by Kindle because for, I don't know, probably for a number of good reasons.

But maybe we should take another look at this. Like, it really feels like the corporations behind the entertainment industry have us exactly where they want us when like you know just or uh physical media that you could own and consume at home became a thing in the early 80s they freaked the fuck out like they were like you know when vcrs came out the like studios opposed the home video boom they started like suing so they sued sony to try and make it so they couldn't make like the betamax the which was the original vcr because they were like this is going to we're just losing too much control

of like how we display our films and how we're able to like control them and like hold people hostage to like be able to watch them. And because it wasn't modern America, the corporations lost out on that one, or I guess they lost to another corporation. So it still makes sense in modern did you know that porn was largely responsible for home media becoming so popular yeah yeah porn is always at the forefront of everything it's also like built the internet it built the home video. Boom. SpaceX? More like space XXX. Thank you.

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