The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 274 (Best of 5/8/23-5/12/23)

Episode Date: May 14, 2023

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or wherever you stream podcasts. How do you feel about biscuits? Hi, I'm Akilah Hughes, and I'm so excited about my new podcast, Rebel Spirit, where I head back to my hometown in Kentucky and try to convince my high school to change their racist mascot, the Rebels, into something everyone in the South loves, the biscuits.

I was a lady rebel. Like, what does that even mean? their racist mascot, the Rebels, into something everyone in the South loves, the biscuits. I was a lady rebel. Like, what does that even mean? It's right here in black and white in print. It's bigger than a flag or mascot. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza.

Yeah. So without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a writer, producer, host behind Vogue's breathless column, Sled Ever on Viceland, Stars is Now Apocalypse, and the new podcast, Sanctum Unmasked. Please welcome to the show, Carly Shortino! Carly! Thank you so much. I'm honored to be on the pod, honestly. Oh, you're honored to have you.

You honor us with your presence. What's good? How are you doing? I'm great. I just walked my dog, now I'm sitting here in my house, you know, being a writer. This is what being a writer is, I think. Just being a slob. Yeah.

What part of the... Where are you at? What part of Earth are you coming to us from? I recently moved to Laurel Canyon. Where do you guys live? Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah. What are your addresses? Yeah, my address is 11201 Cling Street. That's right.

I'm right there. Yeah, I'm right there in the valley. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I lived in the valley for a long time. There you go. I'm close. There you go. I'm close. Yeah's right. I'm right there. Yeah, I'm right there in the valley. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I lived in the valley for a long time. There you go. I'm close. There you go. I'm close. Yeah, yeah.

I like it. Yeah, you're right there. I miss like, I like the big parking lots, you know? Yeah, yeah. Parking is, you know, that's the thing we got. We're not fighting over parking spots and we never have that thing where we're put off by going somewhere in the valley because there's no parking. People are just usually put off by coming to the valley in general right but this is my home and carly your new show is about

a la-based sex club it's about la about the uh sanctum which is not spelled like it's pronounced but yeah there's a really really cool story eyes wide shut was real there for a number of years basically yes so it's about this sex club called sanctum which launched in 2013 and it was this this guy damon loner was a million dollars in debt he watched it's the classic story he was up late one night couldn't't sleep, watched Eyes Wide Shut. You know, the iconic sex scene, the Illuminati sex party. Have you ever seen it? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Baby did a bad, bad thing. That was in the trailer, I remember, for Eyes Wide Shut. Just that one singular icy piano key is how I wake my children up in the morning. Just to let them know the day has begun. Yeah, he watched that and he was like that would be cool if that existed you know just like all these terrifying powerful men like wearing masks sleeping with models and with like weird ominous chanting in the background like maybe i should make that exist and then he actually did it and i mean at the club's peak in 2016 the most expensive yearly membership was 425 000

so it's just like got out of debt got out of that million dollars of debt yeah yeah it's just like billionaires and celebrities like larping game of thrones like blood oath initiation ritual sex party beverly hills hollywood messiness if you're into that that's the long line no that's that you got my attention anytime it's people larping it's that kind of wild shit it's always interesting to see people like act out whatever weird sordid fantasies they have in their minds and like fully come i mean not and say like and that's great for them. I love that for them. But yeah, when billionaires go LARPing, people get hurt usually. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're LARPing this film, The Most Dangerous Game. Would you like to come out to my island that I own for the weekend? Yeah. But that's cool. It's a crazy story. We're thrilled to have you.

People should go check it out. What is something from your search history? All right, I'm going to take you guys should go check it out uh what is something from your search history all right i'm gonna take you guys on a journey here because the search history that i have here is the end of my journey but i want to see if you guys can get there with me so i'm going to sing you a tune right now and i want you to tell me if you know it off the top of your head okay yeah baby elephant walk fucking nailed that shit well done i had that tune stuck in my head the other day couldn't remember what it was called and so dan i'm a fucking podcaster okay with nothing to do except no useless shit like that song is called baby elephant walk now now not to call you out but

jack did you know that off the top of your head? No, no, no. Okay, no worries. I was getting there. I was like the first step on a 100-step journey to getting there. And I was not all the way there. So here's the journey I took via Google search to find that song. Yeah.

Classic honky-tonk type songs. Wrong. Honky-tonk. Honky-tonk? I don't think of that as honky-tonk. Exactly. Wrong. That classic song that has flute and horns also wrong song from Austin Powers was not in that movie

now here's where I took a logic I totally thought it was though I was like yeah that's right those in the song walking through city now in my head I like, I feel like walk is in the name of the song or something like that. And I was right. I was close. But song Walking Through City, not helpful. Yeah. And then we get to my actual search, Shazam, you can sing into because I was so tired of doing this bullshit that I was like, I just have to solve this by someone telling me what it is. And Shazam is insufficient for that. Now, did you guys know that the Google app will let you sing into it and it will find the song?

And it worked? It worked. I sang into Google and the first thing that came up, Baby Elephant Walk by Henry Mancini. There it is. What humbled me a little bit was that it said, accuracy... And you're a little pitchy, Doug.

12%. me a little bit was that it said accuracy a little pitchy dog 12 percent 12 percent i was like i mean i appreciate you getting it but you did not have to drag me like that 12 you're kind of all over the place you're all over the map here with your pitch but i can tell that this is what you're doing just don't do that in front of anybody would be my note. My man did the Pink Panther theme, too. Oh, wow. That's right. Good call. Shazam you can sing into. And gang, if you're like me and you have a tune stuck in your head, just pull up that baby girl Google and sing right

into her and then boom, you got yourself a song. Baby elephant walk. You could have just called me, man. You could have just called me, man. You're right. I could have. And maybe that's what I'll do from now on. Instead of saying it to Google. There was a time when I like was so into those like just songs that you hear all the time.

Yes. But didn't know what they were called. And like back in the early days of iTunes, I had a playlist with all like those weird tracks on there. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of Herb Alpert tracks were on there too. Because like there's just songs you Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of, uh, Herb Alpert tracks are on there too. Cause like,

there's just songs you kind of hearing like, wait, what is this one? What are some of those? Herb Alpert, like in the Tijuana brass, like Zorba, the Greek.

Do you want to tax? I feel like I'm in that, uh, I think you should leave sketch with Tim Heidecker. Oh man. Also do the brass with a crank in it. Also do the, the thing that, is from Biggie, Biggie, Biggie, Hypnotize, Rise, that sample. Uh-huh.

That's Herb Alpert? That's Herb Alpert. Yeah, that's Rise. That's cool. Anyway, I didn't know that. Yeah, I was really into that kind of and when you said song with horns in the flute i said the intro of tears of a clown there you go anyway got smoky on the brain what where is that song from the the baby elephant walk like where where would people have recognized

it uh when i looked it up it was actually in an episode of the simpsons in the dance and homer episode yeah but it was from some it was um it was written for some movie that I can't remember right now, because when I looked it up, I saw the Homer thing and I was like, that's where I must have remembered it from. Or Hattari, the 1962 film. There you go. That I undoubtedly have seen hundreds of times. No, I have not. Yeah, I think I knew it from like The Simpsons and then just it being like throwaway music that people use for like comedic bits. Exactly.

Okay. That and Spanish flea. Okay. Yeah, I know that one. That's like the whole music when they like when like something goes wrong in the show and then they like cut to like, we'll be right back. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Bingo. What is what something you think is overrated? like something goes wrong in the show and then they like we'll be right back yeah exactly yeah bingo what is uh what's something you think is overrated the british monarchy hell yeah what not on this podcast we are a monarchist we are royal watchers we love them king chuck iii as we

call him the interesting thing is and i'm asking both of you this because I'm confused. Sure. As far as I know, America fought a bloody war to separate itself from the British monarchy. But American media, American public is obsessed. Obsessed. Yeah. And I don't get it. Why?

Because honestly, I mean, monarchy is what? Racism on steroids and people are still so intrigued by it right why you just answered your own question racism on steroids and out in the open and with fancy stuff america loves racism uh loves money and you know loves yeah and loves like just terribly concentrated power in the hands of a very interesting looking group of people billionaires they love billionaires who didn't do shit to get their money um and just pretending that they did so it kind of fits but yeah i oh okay now it makes sense it's all coming together for me i think yeah and also there's like just this romanticism i think of like just being like oh like like americans feel like that's the fancy for like something i don't

know i i there's like an aspirational aspect to it i think too and like this weird way from like it's classy to think that the king like the monarchy is cool versus joel biden or something uh but yeah it's to each their own. I mean, I definitely. I mean, when I think of them, I think of, I don't know, looters and thieves. Yeah. And people who invaded the subcontinent and basically took everything away. So I have my colonial hangover. I can't get over that.

Oh, yeah. No, I think most American people. people i mean i think who are like savvy when it comes to history or like yeah i mean like i mean if anything they taught us how to to be the empire we are today in the united states and we just uh iterated on what we learned from the english i guess uh but yeah it's do you think that's a good thing no i think is that a good thing not at all it's the worst fucking thing ever and i think it's only i look at we were saying yesterday when we looked at a picture of charles during the coronation i'm like if you could like assign uh like a human scream value to each jewel and piece of gold or

fur that adorned his body how many screams worth of shit was he wearing because it has to be in like the trillions that's what gives him the power though and i think i think like for me that's when i look at those things all i see is pain like i'm like this isn't it's like you mind that gold or those emeralds or things like that no all this shit's stolen in fact how many like former colonies are like we want our shit back yeah but we do yeah give us our koh-i-noor back yeah exactly it's still is it still like a tower yeah yeah he does make it all look a few clicks more ridiculous than any king that i've witnessed before i haven't witnessed that many kings but like he puts the lie to the whole thing and like just makes the monarchy look bad. So I will say in that respect, I'm glad that he's the king because he just is like this

pouty old man who's just like, I want my pen. Won't come in. Okay. This blasted pen. Okay. Yeah. But I do see this narrative about good monarchs and bad monarchs and i really don't buy it because anybody who's benefiting from the institution itself

is is part of perpetuating that you know harmful paradigm so i don't give a fuck if it's like good monarch or bad monarch they're all monarchs and they are benefiting from it yeah i mean prince harry good for him i mean i do feel bad for him in some ways but to be honest heartache i don't feel bad for them either he's doing all right he's got that monarch guilt creeping in but yeah you know it is it's like the same way of like you can't be a u.s president and not be a war criminal right you know what i mean and it's like at the end of the day we're like oh what about him like no also war criminal Actually, yeah. Look up what was done under their command. No one gets out of here.

Scott Free. What is something you think is underrated? Okay, so this show, I don't know if it's underrated. I just think it's like underappreciated, under watched. There's this show that I think is the best show on television. It's called Couple Therapy. Have you ever heard of it? On VH1?

On VH1? No, it's on Showtime's Hulu. Oh, there was a VH1 show. It's a reality show called Couples Therapy, I feel like, back in the day. That's when I was like, yeah, that shit was wild. Yeah, 2012 is when that first season came out of that shit. Really?

So it's basically that. That's what it is. It's couples in therapy. Real couples? Yes, and it is fucking insane so it's like you think it will be it's basically the way it's shot is it doesn't feel like it's like a documentary not a reality show because it's these couples go in there's a therapist and it just for them they're just walking into a regular therapist office all the cameras are hit they know they're they've agreed to be filmed all the cameras are hidden like in the wall and the lamp and the desk so they now that you know when you can just tell people are aware of the

camera and you watch reality shows like these people never interact with a camera in the whole process of filming so they really do kind of forget and it's so fucking riveting because you just start to realize like everybody has the same problem like we all have the same issues every couple is the same so you kind of feel like you're in therapy but i've talked to couples who've watched it together and they're like it's triggering so i would say it's triggering and we've also never gone to couples therapy so we're gonna avoid this show to bring any awareness to our relationship why would you need to you got the showtime show a couple my health regimen every day i lift my leg above my head i watch one episode of couples therapy and i'm good it's every i bet every single

couple's problem is probably reduced down to this people not voicing their needs and then letting that fester and then it manifesting into other issues because of a lack of communication. I feel like that's one of the biggest problems most couples experience for like a lot, you know? Wow, that's well put. Like condensed, yeah, I mean, it's true. Or yeah, or like suppressing. And also I think like lack of self-examination for some.

So it's like, what is that quote where it's like the unexamined? Life is not worth living. Yeah, it's like the unexamined? Life is not worth living. Yeah unexamined is something like the unexamined Unexamined issues like become the puppeteer of your life That's not what it is But it's some Jungian quote where it's like if you don't deep process something it will actually just control you and you won't realize Yeah

Damn, and I think there's a lot of that It will actually just control you and you won't realize. Yeah. Damn. And I think there's a lot of that. Fortunately, that is not a problem I deal with. The only problem I deal with, I'm always yelling, nothing's wrong. Everything's fine. Why does everybody keep asking me that? But I'm good over here. So I don't need therapy of any sort.

Well, it becomes a problem if you dwell on it. That's why I keep telling my mom. Back off. That's right. If I keep thinking about it, then it is a problem. Don't you see that? I'm just trying to manifest here by ignoring my problems. Alright, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about Fox News. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less

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and we're back and there's been a lot of crimes that have happened in the past week you know jordan neely was murdered by a white man and then a mass shooter who was an avowed Nazi with like Nazi tattoos, uh, went on a killing spree in Dallas. And the right has chosen to like greet this by saying that it's like unfair that we're talking about it when it happens. Oh,

it's this, like this really terribly bad faith argument that they're saying like the libs are reaching by saying the dallas shooter was a nazi that's just what they say about everyone that oh my god everyone's a nazi that's just what they say about everyone but like sadly even the most casual look at this person's social media would confirm that he was in fact a white supremacist like heil hitlering neo-nazi and even made a post where he was explaining his own beliefs despite his perceived ethnic identity because many people were like there's no way someone with a hispanic last name could be a white supremacist what are you guys going on about that's impossible you have to be

white to be a white supremacist. And I just, I'll throw some names out for people who are up on, you know, the really gross figures on the right. How about Enrique Tarrio? That had a proud voice. Okay. He's a Cuban American, but he's also a white supremacist. He also have Nick Fuentes, who's also has met up with Donald Trump many times and was

courting Kanye West and just like the grossest parts of the Internet. White supremacist. So just it does it does my head in. OK, as the English say, because first of all, whiteness is a fucking social construct that has shifted over centuries. You know, like you can even look at there was a thread from this professor. professor i want uh kathleen baloo who even pointed out like how much the race box on the u.s census has like shifted over time and how like it's not just white or whatever if you go back to 1910 it's just saying like color or race was the box it said there were no other categories or even you in the 1890s it says whether white black mulatto quadatto, quadroon, octoroon, we don't use these terms

at all anymore. Yeah. Chinese, Japanese, or Indian. And over time, these things shift. And so to this idea of like, because this person isn't a, like, I guess, you know, the Aryan type of variety of white person is maybe what they're thinking has to, that's the standard to be a quote unquote white supremacist. They're completely missing the point.

And I think because most Americans would most likely look at this through a like black or brown versus white lens. Whereas like places in South America have very different ideas of what whiteness is or who a person of color is. It's like, are the white people, those that descend from the Iberians that colonize the land and the people of color, the indigenous. And that's how they began to, you know, separate like on those kinds of racial lines of class,

et cetera. And again, you look in Texas and the Southwest in general, the United States, you have a lot of people who have last names that are Hispanic who might not see themselves as people of color. And some might see themselves as just downright Nazis. So at the end of the day the ideal the ideology kind of like in its current state isn't based on the purest sense of like aryan supremacy that they're thinking of like hitler's master race kind of thing but it's just

of it attracts people because it's a violent system of power that targets women jews trans people uh muslims whoever who is not outside of like the deemed hegemonic class or whatever. And, you know, the murderers post confirm all of this. Like he was aligned with all of these beliefs. And his white supremacy is on full display through his tattoos. So I was like, yeah, what the heck? Like you could tell that this guy is hardcore white supremacist. And you're absolutely right about this ideology being internalized by other races as well, especially in America, because it lends itself to approximation to whiteness and where you stand in this society. Because America is obsessed, obsessed with race.

Yeah. Right. But won't admit it to themselves. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Oh, we're past that. We're past that. But it is wild to see because it's just that they are just telling on themselves that they

think of race as a genetic, like, differentiator and not a social construct used to discriminate and economically exploit people like they are like well he has a last name and because of the one drop rule that we all adopted after the civil war wait we didn't all adopt that that was just me and the people in the back room where i make the decisions about the society um right it's fucking wild to your point saudi about for all of those who're like i don't know if he's a nazi he couldn't have more nazi tattoos if you'd even try i guess he could have had mind conf tatted in its entirety on his body but ss bolts and a swastika there's no

there's no ambiguity about it and again this is just their bad faith argument because they can't really argue anything on the merits because it's all about obscuring the existence of this like the heavy hand of white supremacy that looms over everything in this country. It's like, no, no, that's not how this doesn't exist. So you were saying how this ideology even attracts people of other races and cultures. You know, he posted a meme that basically said, like, when you're Hispanic, like, it's like a fork in the road. And on one side, it says, act black. And the other said, become a white supremacist. And that just kind of shows you what his entire worldview is of what your perceived options are, if there's even such an idea of options for how you live your life.

But that was his very specific worldview. That was that was the shooter. That was the shooter. Yeah. I very specific worldview that was that was the shooter that was the shooter yeah i actually couldn't tell if that was the shooter or elon musk that's where we're at with elon musk at this point no truly and i mean he was also parroting the same thing i was like well i'm much like really like but again fine like this is this is why he bought the website to bring even more nonsense and misinformation to the masses and normalize that. But it's really like getting to a point where it's systematic. He's doing it frequently, constantly, and just in the most bad faith way as possible.

Yeah, but what's worse is that a lot of people in America will buy into those narratives, whether coming from Republicans or Elon Musk. And that's more problematic than anything else, right? Why are people buying into it yet? Because they want to maintain their racial hierarchy. It's as simple as that. There's nothing else to it. I mean, it's oversimplified,

but one of the major reasons why people are so hung up on these narratives and they don't want to let go is because they don't want to give up on their racial hierarchy, whatever form it takes. whatever form it takes right yeah because it's like well at least i have that you know in a world yeah in a world of limited options well at least i have my whiteness and i can lord that over people and still feel good about myself because i'm in the white head christian group or whatever it is that's become very attractive to these people recently yeah all right let's talk about drag queens in the military uh the navy is despite you know tom

cruz's best efforts and top gun too they did a whole top gun which like the last time they did it it saved naval recruitment like naval recruitment shot through the roof. This time, the movie was a massive hit, but everyone was like, it was fun to watch. I'm not going to join the Navy now. So, still major slump in recruitment. What's that? So, did you see the volleyball? Yeah. Still don't want to join?

Yeah, well, I mean, this one had two-way football. Oh, shit, okay. I think it was his high-waisted jeans that fucked people up. They were like, no, no, thank you. So they're trying new things. They're doing a social media influencer campaign with active duty officers. And one of them is a drag queen, Harpy Daniels, that is one of five people tapped to be one of the Navy's new digital ambassadors, which, by the way, not a paying gig.

Oh, really? It's just they get to help the military because, well, you have to understand, military only has more funding than anything in America. So we're dealing with how are they supposed to pay for this sort of thing yeah jesus but people on the right predictably freaked the fuck out one of the cl team six guys tweeted i can't believe i fought for this bullshit this is the same guy who proudly tweeted a photo of himself on a flight with no mask on during the thick of the pandemic with the caption, I'm not a pussy. Yep. Cause science is for that.

Yeah, sure. Whatever. That's cool, man. I'm sure you're probably, I know you haven't spent much time thinking about how the United States military used you in service of a big,

big oil grab over there, but Hey, it's all good. You're not a pussy. I'm not a pussy. I'll kill your grandmother for the right to not be inconvenienced while watching the movie yesterday and eating a bag of

pretzels. That's how tough I am. Yeah, seriously. Yeah, I don't know. The right people on the right are claiming it will only hurt recruitment because drag queen shows have no place in our military. Hold on. I even know that's

so far off okay go on yeah yeah uh-huh a history lesson there i mean we'll start with more recently hugely popular drag show on military bases in 2015 positively reported on by that liberal rag stars and stripes the internal military publication apparently like they couldn't print enough tickets for this show which was six service members gay lesbian and straight wearing heavy makeup to dance and lip sync songs such as i want to dance with somebody it's funny like they're describing like a drag show. Yeah, they're hearing about it for the first time. Six service members donned heavy makeup to dance and lip sync songs with wigs and all and different names than their usuals. And and then there's just like a long history of this, like going back to the men wearing, quote, exaggerated feminine attire. Feminine attire dates back to the 1800s in the Navy.

Drag shows were a huge part of military culture during World War II. Shows put on by soldiers included girly segments where gruff GIs dressed in tutus while still wearing their army boots. There were comedic routines in which soldiers impersonated female stars of the period. comedic routines in which soldiers impersonated female stars of the period and it's not it's like when you read the writing about it like the people are it's not like this is ridiculous it's funny because it's ridiculous they're like they brought a boot a beauty to the like performances and like we're very skilled and so it's just i don't know it's a we we've gone backwards somehow to a place where like you can't appreciate this and any act of inclusivity has to be part of some massive conspiracy that you're not in on according to these people it's just wild to like think of

that like it does whatever anything that they see is falling under like the woke umbrella they'll immediately lose their shit over even if it's something that like already has enough momentum culturally within like the things that they're into like the fucking military and still be like oh no no what's this it's like yeah i did drag when i was when i was enlisted but that was different. Yeah, that was fucking different. OK, or when my grandfather did it in World War Two, that was because they it was different. It was stressful during wartime.

Now, this stuff, I don't know, it's just a bridge too far. Entertainers were not stigmatized because of their perceived or real sexual identities. Instead, the feminine nature of the illusionists and caricaturists' acts were held up as beautiful. That is from a feminist work of theory called, oh wait, no, that's just from the National World War II Museum. Right. Yeah, it's just, they weren't fucking assholes at the time,

it turns out. There are literally pictures of men in dresses gunning down Nazi planes because they were in the middle of a drag show and got interrupted by a German air raid and had to go out and, you know, man, giant guns on the side of these fucking warships. And yeah,

yeah. People were like, that's pretty cool. Hey man, that's pretty cool. Hey like that's pretty cool hey man that's pretty cool hey that's pretty cool if only tom cruise didn't fuck us over with this latest top gun you wouldn't have to resort to this stuff i mean it's just wild though too like they're in this thing where they're trying to figure out how to get more recruits and they're trying to do things that would seemingly say like hey we're like, maybe you want to join and don't

look into the part where maybe you're going to get caught up in fighting a war, like an empirical war for us. But Hey, this is something, I don't know. It's just, it just baffles me the recruitment strategy overall. And also not really understanding that most young people are just not interested in military service as they learn that, like, you know, when you come back as a veteran, it doesn't seem like the care is too great. And on top of it, like what if you end up, you know, a lot of the people that they're looking for are people who are the most financially desperate to end up serving and things like that, that they're just, you know, they're still I don't know, it's just maybe they can attract them with movie stuff. I don't know. Maybe they can attract them with movie stuff.

Yeah, taking care of veterans. That would be an interesting recruitment tactic. Maybe if it's pitched to them that way, they would actually do it. Right. Have you seen that one commercial where I think these millennial-age people are around a campfire and they're talking about how they own homes and it's because they're in the military and they're like what they're like yeah because of the military and like they're sort of using that sort of carrot on a stick now like home ownership to like inspire enlistment many i mean i know you can go to i feel like you can go to college right that's why historically like poorer people have joined the military because you can get a college education. But I don't know how that I mean, maybe that then leads to homeownership. But I don't know, most of my friends who have college educations don't own homes. So I don't think it works that way. Honestly. Yeah, right. I think that's why they're like, see, do it this way. Yeah. Oh, here it is. Here. I'll just play it for you. It's like...

So, we're getting that house we told you guys about. You're buying a house? Yeah. Soldiers get VA loan guarantees. Yeah, no money down. Well, my office gives us free bagels. GoArmy.com. That's kind of funny, actually. Okay, so it's about loan.

That was a great joke. It's about loans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we can get sick loans, but hey, I get bagels. Low interest loan, yeah. All right. Well, let's take a quick break. We'll come back and talk about Guardians of the Galaxy 3.

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Yeah, five years old. Wow. It's killing. I have Batman bike shorts I wear every day. Batman bike shorts is such a specific vibe. That was when Axl Rose started wearing bike shorts as just a thing. T-shirt bike shorts.

Yep. Damn. I was like, well well i guess that's okay i had batman logos going all up the side of the leg i remember my parents like i will fall asleep and they would have to take them off of me because i'm like no these are my pajamas also yeah and like i just pardon me anyway so i think that year did make a mark. And the, you know, brain trusted Hollywood has looked at the metrics and we're like, we're just going to do that one over again because 89 this thing. All right. Yeah. So biggest movie of the year, as Miles mentioned, as Miles had on on his child hips, on his child legs, Batman. So shout out legs so in that in place of batman we are getting

the flash a new movie that according to the trailers is just basically michael keaton as batman again like it's full up of like michael keaton saying i'm batman like his first line in the movie also you want to get nuts? Let's get nuts. Which I guess is a line from the first one. I forgot that. Oh, yeah. Not for a comeback.

You are my number one. I remember that. Wait, but does Michael Keaton say you want to get nuts? Let's get nuts. Or the Joker does. I think that's the Joker line. Yeah. Feels like. No, I think Michael says it. Oh, it is Michael Keaton. Wow.

Wow. His Bruce Wayne is a little... I would not want to... I guess that's true of all Bruce's Wayne. But just a guy I wouldn't want to hang out with. A billionaire with trauma?

He could just go to maybe a couple of therapy sessions who collects old weapons. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, that's coming back.

People are like, oh my God, it's amazing. Second biggest movie of 1989 was Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. This year we have what will, according to Harrison Ford, be the

last Indiana Jones movie. Again, I think he said that about Kingdom of the Crystal Sk movie. Again, I think he said that, about Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Again, they have just wildly missed on the name that they've given it. Like the first three were all,

all made sense to me. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, too much. This one, The Dial of Destiny. Does that do anything for you guys? No. No, that sounds like like it sounds like it would do something for a 70 year old person i was gonna say it also sounds like a bad rom-com title dial destiny there's love is one call away i i have to i've i forgot to mention this when you

brought up the flash movie there was a article that was going around last week because ezra miller you know they got all this fucking legal trouble and like all these allegations that we've heard constantly about and we've seen it on video ourselves of if this person's acting wild in public truly wild the fucking the production designer of the film said that the film oh hold on i just have to i just have to find this shit how do you how do you even come out and say this? How do you say this? Basically said that the film looks so good that, quote, people will forget their history of abuse

because the movie looks so lit. How do you throw yourself under the bus? Like, what is the point of falling on someone else's sword to be like, no, no, no, it's chill. All that bad shit they did, you're going to forget about that. Yeah. What is the point of falling on someone else's sword to be like no no it's chill all that bad shit they did you're gonna forget about that yeah what is the point because if people were just asking this in this article in this interview with the cbc uh this guy paul osterberry said osterberry says he's not too concerned about how the story surrounding miller will affect the film

people will forget that this film could star woody allen and everyone would still go because that's how good it looks that's how good the production design was that's wild yeah so anyways we got dial of destiny which i'm pretty sure the last crusade was built as like the last indiana jones movie so they're doing the exact same move as they did in 1989 also coming out the little mermaid disney's remake of a movie that came out in fall of 1989 and what like if the previous live action remakes of disney films have taught us anything it's that they will not be adding much no to this like they don't change no a whole lot this is just a skinning of like the original film with live actors and and better performers. I think I think we're going to get some good. I mean, the performance is that it will be performers at the end of the day. You're not having to do much lifting creatively because like, yeah, that that's great. We already own. And just in terms of a straight straight up transposition of what was happening in 1989. They're really, they're really doing it.

If I, if I've been on record on the show talking about my disdain for live action remakes of Disney movies, because I know that we have talked about this in the office for years, basically since the jungle book and lion King, you just, and I know, and I, Jack,

I know you, I mean, well, I'm not gonna put you on the spot and say you share this level of disdain, but I know that you two have observed. You just cannot make these animal faces do what a Disney movie does in animation. You just cannot.

Right. You cannot. And you may not. And you may and you may not. That's why people are so mad about Flounder. Yeah. And they're like, oh, what talking about Flounder and Sebastian since they announced this. I've been like,

first of all, like it didn't work in the Lion King. Nope. And those are beautiful animals. Yes. Undersea creatures are ugly and terrifying. Weird. And they are supposed to,

like they're cute in the original movie, but like Flounder looks really scary. I mean, he looks like a motherfucking flounder. Yes. He looks... Yeah, flounders... Which, by the way, actual flounders have their eyes on the side of their face.

So what is this even? It's a tropical fish of some sort. Something. Of some sort. Yeah. I'm just... What if instead of the original round, cute faced cartoon character, it was like a,

a fish skeleton mixed with like Pete Davidson, like feels like what, what they've gone with. Right. I'm just never, I, I, you know,

I am, I'll say this, like, you know, happy for Halle Bailey, like getting out there and becoming the star, even a bigger star than she already is. This is, of course, a huge moment for her.

We will see some awesome... The music that will come out of this will be amazing, much like the Lion King. The music coming out of that was amazing. But just stop it with the animals. What is... You can't do it. No one...

I wouldn't care if Flounder looked all cute in the live action version. Like that's a weird, that's the one thing I feel like people are like, yo, we didn't need to be that real. Find the cutest face. Finding Nemo, that shit.

Just, it's okay. If it's a little Pixar-y, just you, you own that. Do it. Nobody's out here being like, man,

mermaids is real. This is not how they would be interacting with the undersea life. Get's out here being like, man, mermaids is real. This is not how they would be interacting with the undersea life. Get out of here, man. I'm fine with the mermaids. But I don't want to look like I'm seeing some shit that washed up on the Santa Monica beach. You know what I mean? This flounder, he looks busted. He looks like he's got a problem.

They say he looks like Steve Buscemi, I think is what they're saying on Twitter. There are cuter. like with Flounder, I was like, maybe they'll find, you know, as Katie Golden has pointed out on Twitter, there are cute fish. Like, there are parrot fish that as long as you're not too freaked out by the fact that they have a set of human teeth up front,

which, you know, takes a little while to get over, but they're goofy. They do fun stuff. But they were just like, nope. Uh-uh. It's gonna look like they've seen some shit they're gonna make it look like flounder has seen some dark shit oh yeah and also in my in my own fear of not giving people enough credit like the 3d animators who are given these jobs to work on these specific things obviously do incredible work and the shit looks awesome but it is a effort completely in vain in that you are trying to recreate an emotion that is incapturable in a 3d animated space when you're trying to make

something look quote-unquote real you just can't't do it, and that's the whole point. That was the whole point of Disney movies in the first place. Flounder, they had options. Sebastian was a no-win, by the way. A total no-win. Crabs have never looked anything like

something that's not a bug. A sea bug. And is Sebastian going to rip his own arm off? No, but that's what they bug no bug no yeah c spider and sebastian gonna rip his own arm off no but that's what they do yeah they do when they're in a when they're in a bit of a spot you know what i mean that's what i grow that shit back grow that give me that that i will forgive it if sebastian rips his own arm off the movie give me that terrify some children teach these teach them about arthur potts so up to this point, you might be saying, all right, guys, but like these are huge movies and like it takes, you know, nostalgia has a cycle.

Ghostbusters 2 came out in June of 89. And later this year, I didn't know this, we're getting the sequel to Ghostbusters Afterlife. They're doing a sequel to that. And this sequel takes them to New York City. So they're really a sequel to that and and this sequel takes them to new york city so they're really back baby oh yeah wow yeah okay there's also the new ninja turtles animated movie which even though the original ninja turtles movie didn't come out until 90 like 89 was the year of full-blown Ninja Turtles. Like, this was when the cereal was introduced, the TV show, the video games.

By the way, this detail on the Ninja Turtle cereal, I had forgotten. The cereal was described on the box as crunchy sweetened Ninja Nets with Ninja Turtle marshmallows. Pizza-shaped marshmallows were later added. The Ninja Net cereal pieces looked suspiciously similar to Chex cereal.

So they were just like, oh, yeah, these are Ninja Nets. You know how one of the Ninja Turtles has a net with them at all times? Do they? No, it's not any. I love that marketing person be like well obviously we're

just making this with loose checks and we're adding our own marshmallows like what the fuck we're gonna call these um they could have just gone wheaties and talked about the similarity between wheaties and like turtle food you know right right flaky that flaky like fish turtle food there's also on tv in 2023 we're getting well rosanna's already here quantum leap is here doogie hauser dropping the second season was doogie hauser 89 i think so yeah wow is it who's the boss reboot in the works baywatch remake that nobody asked for even Even Matlock is coming back. Matlock, really? Yeah. Well, I don't know.

I'll be morbid, but isn't anybody who watched Matlock probably, you know, not with us anymore? I'm still here, man. That's what I've been saying for years. Matlock fans, we are still here. Do not erase us. You're going to be on a watch list because Joe Biden is still our president. Facts. Okay, yeah. Touche. Favorite show. You know what I mean? Yeah, he's still here. Hold on. Do not erase us. You're going to be on the watch list because Joe Biden is still our president.

Facts. Okay, yeah. Touche. Favorite show. You know what I mean? Yeah, he's still here. No, you ain't wrong. You ain't wrong.

And, like, even, like, the reuniting of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck was about, like, the invention of the Air Jordan, which was, you know, probably hitting its original peak popularity in like 89. It's just, we're stuck. It's fine. It is. It's what it is. Did you guys see Air? I did.

Miles? No. I heard Michael Jordan wasn't in it, so I said, fuck that. Yeah, he has quote unquote one line where he says, hello. I loved it. I loved Air. I thought it was great. Jack, did you? I did

not. Damn. Did not care for it. I remember him saying this last week. I wanted to like it. Iron this out. Iron this out right now. What didn't you like about it? Because I'm totally, I mean, obviously I'm completely open to that. But we know how toxic you can get when

we start debating movies. Oh, I get toxic yeah take a breath first we know you we know it um it just i don't know it felt thin to me like it opened with a montage of like 80s nostalgia that just felt like it could have been on like like all the needle drops were just like so down the middle 80s hit songs the characters watchmen movie yeah like that the the speech the climactic speech that matt damon gives to michael jordan like didn't really i don't know it just didn't resonate with me as somebody who's like okay you have michael jordan about like the way that he discovers he's great is by watching and re-watching the tape of him hitting the game-winning shot in the championship game and then like that's the only footage like what did they only license a single

piece of footage of michael jordan playing because well they wasted all that money on licensing all those songs so it's kind of like they had to go where was it gonna be i don't know it just felt like there was not it's i think it's partially like as a person who grew up around basketball and who like i don't know like has like read books about like jordan and what makes him different and stuff like that right it just felt shallow and kind of reductive okay wow i think that is a completely fair take yeah oh you're gonna say okay like that's some old head ass take no i mean i think i think that's completely fair because honestly one of my favorite things about it is that it's short i love that it's yeah i love that it's quick because the whole thing is, my thing about the movie

is that if you go into that movie, I don't think there's anybody who's watching that movie unless you're like Jack and someone who has grown up with basketball or is intimately familiar. NBA brained. Yeah, exactly. Or is just intimately familiar with like, listen to Miles Jack on my boosies. There you go. Shout out to Miles Jack on my boosies. But like intimately familiar with

the, I don't know, the shoe game of any time before the 90s it's like your association with michael jordan is probably like entwined with nike like you probably don't even see mike you don't you don't think of michael with any other shoe period so if you're watching that movie you're thinking about that or like getting to the end like well i mean i know what's gonna happen like what what is there even i know there even to happen? I know who this guy is. Exactly. I know who this guy is. What is even the point of this?

So the fact that it was so kind of like short and to the point and just, I mean, you know, if I'm being real, I mean, Phil Knight and some of his business practices, I think are, of course, deplorable. His political giving practices. deplorable and political giving practices yeah but they use like the nike mottos like the core mottos that like he has up on his wall of like jobs not done till it's done and like all this stuff they use that as like they they cut to that as like little chyrons that they like show you in between scenes and i don't know it just felt like spiritually empty to me to like tell this story about it's like wow nike almost didn't become the massive international behemoth that

is doing damage all over the place when it already was right it's just that it didn't become even bigger so is the but so jack the movie good on an airplane? I think it would be a good airplane watch. I also think I might watch it again with my wife and be like, oh, I actually enjoyed this. You know, it was just I think 90 percent of my movie takes are like, yeah, I just wasn't like in a great mood. Wasn't like feeling that movie at that time. You know, i will tell you i've come full circle on this take i like it yeah i will say that one of my least favorite things

about the show the bear is I was watching it just like, do you have to hammer this so hard to make the point? Because it's not like the rest of the movie isn't trying to hammer that point home the entire time. It's like at no point are you like, I wonder what time this movie set in. Miles, there's like a montage with people like doing rubik's cubes it's really

playing like atari games it's too long it is too long and too just like well you know because you know what it is it's it's not i think in the end it's not it's like for us but not really yes because we were there dude i don't need this fucking recap but i'm sure for like younger people who would see it right like what the wow what is what was this time and i think that's i almost want to say like that is what i feel like studio notes do to a movie because like i feel the same way about like any show that's about video games or something you're watching the show and just like this is annoyingly what is this video game exactly this is annoyingly hitting the hammer

on the head it's like yeah i've heard a pac-man thank you right yeah i don't know i because like i like the social network despite the fact that like i'm you know i don't think facebook is cool you love so like the fact that i like watched this and like, wasn't on board with like loving Phil Knight and Sonny Baccaro, like that I've, I've done that before. I've liked it before. It was just like, something just felt like Pat and sort of lazy about it to me.

Well, I mean, look, this is our time. Cause clearly if this feels with all this stuff coming back around, I mean, it's like, it's like partial studio and network laziness and the

other part is like more millennial aged people probably influencing things too like on someone you know that shit would you know that shit would go although they should be hiring us because we got some real ideas over here yeah well yeah and also this my take like as far as film like the film industry is concerned, is objectively wrong. Like, it got an A cinema score. Everybody seems to really love this movie except for me. So, I'm not. And I've listened to, like, even the people from, like, Blank Check and the Flagrant ones.

Like, all those people like this movie. So, I just, I don't know. Hey, look, Jack, that's fine. You as an individual, that's how you took it. That's how it goes. No, I'm bad. I'm bad. I don't know. Hey, look, Jack, that's fine. You as an individual, that's how you took it. That's how it goes. No, I'm bad. I'm bad. I shouldn't.

It reveals something bad about me. No, Jack. Well, then if you're bad, then I'm Wesley Snipes. Hey. You think you're bad? Thank you. Yeah, when are they going to remake the bad video? Again, from my old heads, I had to put that shit out there.

Who directed that? Who remake the bad video? I had to put that shit out there. Who directed that? Who directed the bad video? I feel like it was Scorsese or something like that. It was, yeah, Scorsese. Scorsese directed the bad video. Wow. Holy shit. That was 87.

87. Wow. What a time to be alive. What a time. Well, Miles. Thank you so much for having me. Miles, such a pleasure. Miles, thanks for being on the show today. Appreciate that.

Yeah, you can find him. Thanks for showing up. My bad. Alright, that's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show. It means the world to Miles. He needs your validation, folks.

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