The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 278 (Best of 6/5/23-6/9/23)

Episode Date: June 11, 2023

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You know what sucks? I don't really have anything interesting in my search history right now because I could give a shit about everything right now. But I will say my the tab that I keep going into, I've gotten into so dorky. I really have gotten into those New York Times games. Oh, yeah. Like all of them. Beta. I mean, beta, I'm sorry.

The numbers, the new beta numbers game that they're testing out, the fucking Letterboxd, what is it called? Vertex and all the spelling bee. I only know Wordle. Wait, so, okay, I know Wordle. I know spelling bee, crosswords, and Wordle. Yeah, they have a mini crossword. I do that one because it's free.

And they have like, they just have a ton of game there let me pull them up but they have like new game that they're testing out and it's an it's just a math you just like figure out they give you like six numbers and they give you a whatever 491 and you within those six numbers that they've given you have to try to land on 491 or closest to that's their newest game that they're doing but they have all these other games god damn it it appeals to the numerologist yeah it's really dorky it's there's like letterbox where you like it's like mash but there's uh letters all around and you just like build words and oh yeah yeah i know that's spelling b right no that's a different one spelling b is like you have to use this letter in the center, but they have another one like that.

That's like the mash box. And you just literally have to just... It's really... That's all I'm doing in my Safari on my fucking phone. I'm not Googling anything anymore. I'm sick of learning shit. I'm tired of information. I'm exhausted right now.

You still play Wordle? Absolutely. Yeah. Me too. I love it. And I don't feel bad about it anymore. I'm just i still fuck with this i got it in four today i got it in six i almost yeah double bogeyed yeah damn that's somebody when i was like bragging about how good i was at wordle they were like uh let me see your scores all right so a six is a double

bogey a five is a bogeyy. A five is a bogey. Four is par. Three is a birdie. Two is an eagle. Like, that's how you like score it. Like golf. And that changed how I saw it. And it took the fun out of it.

Yeah, I was going to say, white people ruin everything. Yeah. You're not going to believe this. It was a white person. I know. Only white people think like that. Let's kick the fun out of this it's wild to me though that like new york times went from like this newspaper to now like yo the games though

now yeah it's like that's really where they're strong now not the journalism so much journalism god awful yeah but have you played their angry birds skin it's no i'm just joking i'm i'm just joking jk jk i just wanted to make sure that you thought you know i have a joke a story i tell on my first album called the woke bully and it's about when i was 13 i was friends with these girls i mean they were my friends and they were um and i was a jokester literally the same jokester that i am today where i'm just like what's up bitch what's up hell what's up y'all whatever whatever that's how I talk. That's how I've talked since I was a kid. And I had my friends write me a letter that was like, hey, Marcella, we know

that you're so funny and we know that your sense of humor is what it is. But we just want to say that if you're going to call us sluts and whores, you need to say just kidding every time you say it. And I was like, oh my God, so fucking stupid. It's really helpful for us. Yeah. And then I went to school and they're like, hey, Marcella, did you read the letter? And I was like, my god so fucking it's really helpful for us yeah and then so i went to school and they're like hey marcella did you read the letter and i was like i did and i just want to

say i'm absolutely gonna make sure i do that sluts just kidding and i flipped them off and i walked away and i was never friends with them again i tell the story much better but i hate when people say just kidding i don't care if people knew or didn't know you were kidding do not give in I hate it lie to me I don't care I don't give a fuck and women do it more than men like you really thought that there was a New York Times skin of angry birds and I didn't want you to waste your time I was excited I would have googled it and you ruined that opportunity well I was just kidding oh my sister and God. My sister and I, like, we would always, like, yeah. I just have a bad habit of always being like, just kidding, just kidding. Yeah, I know.

You were abused as a child. I can tell. Like that. It was a controlling household, right? Wasn't that that Kristen Wiig character? Like, she did that one bit where the character would all, everything was just kidding. I'm just kidding, just kidding. Just kidding, just kidding.

It's such a thing women do, and I hate it so much. It drives it drives me crazy i hate it i don't know if people don't know i'm kidding or not maybe i'm not kidding bitch i don't want to offend yeah maybe you are a piece of shit yeah a little i also i think especially with that specific incident it was like we're 13 and i know you guys are all virgins we We're not. Can you relax? Like, were they going to church or something where that was like a curse that you put on them? Like, we are not. It was so stupid. Yeah, well, I'm sure they're doing OK now.

What's what's something you think is overrated, Luke? Oh, man. Another thing I've been I've been wrestling with something I think is overrated. I'm going to say the push for meta verse stuff. These Apple got a little, it kind of scared me. And I was like, I think that the public appetite for this, even if it's not like global yet, even if it's still like the tech, big tech kind of pushing it on us, I'm still like,

this is massively overrated. I feel like this is going to turn us into the Wally society yeah society yeah i had that thought i was like wally missed because they still have screens in front of them that they're looking at at a distance i mean this is what it's going to be unfortunately the goggles are i mean i actually think that google glass was like the club even though it looked kind of dorky it was like the closest thing to like, I can't, I'm surprised. I think it was just a little early, but these big goggles, I mean,

these look extremely goofy. I mean, you're going to see people at the airport walking with these goggles on. It's going to be like, you're going to see them at the airport, like in a month wearing that. And it's, uh, it's pretty amazing. Anyways, having said that, I did pre-order five, five pairs, but yeah,

I mean, to me, I'm like, I was like, this is the sickest TV ever. That is how, when I saw that, I was like,

what if I blew up watching whatever the fuck I'm watching? They're like, when they did the thing, it was like, what if it was a hundred foot screen and you're on a lake in Switzerland? And i was like whoa that's true yeah that's like that is the only thing i'm like that's cool however i'm not gonna spend 3500 on that but i can see just like to everyone's point the slippery slope it causes and like cut to some airport and you have people missing their flights and shit because they've like passed out in their fucking vision goggles or whatever and yeah i didn't even think about that you know as you said the hundred foot

screen thing i'm like oh this is going to kill the movie theater potentially it is it's gonna kill so so many things it just like further allows you to completely disassociate into a like cellular existence and like just makes it so cool to be in a room by yourself doing absolutely nothing i've uh i've become one of these people who like i'm very big on proselytizing to everyone i meet about like the dangers of uh ai and kind of you know being the trying to sound i'm not trying to make myself sound like I'm ahead of the time. I feel like everybody else, a lot of other people are doing this too, but like, I feel like AI, chat GPT, all this shit is going to like fundamentally disrupt our society

and economy more than COVID did by like a long shot. I feel like this is going to be insane and destructive and there'll be a lot of good that comes from it. But like, I feel like, you know, this is kind of a cousin of good that comes from it but like i feel like you know this is kind of a cousin of that where i'm like oh we're not paying attention to how much yeah this is going to change things and like kill jobs and probably maybe kill people yeah the i feel like the vision pro goggles or whatever it's like easier to see where that goes i think for some people like ai is still like kind of obscure to them where they're like i don't know it seems kind of cool whereas

like i think like you're saying it's like this is wally this is black mirror remember the thing we have examples of how we enter a tech dystopia or maybe the matrix where everyone's a battery and like in their own little pod at some point yeah it's true it's like the beginning of them yeah it really is like the it's like our first footstep into living in a completely digital way and they're i think they call it something else right like they they invented their own term that i saw at the apple event that i'm i'm forgetting now but it's not augmented reality it's like enhanced reality or something enhanced reality feels like what it will be called yeah it's it is so funny to me like just in retrospect looking at like when mark zuckerberg released his version of this it was like it looked like it was 15 years old and it was just like such dog

it just looked like such shit and then apple drops this and it's like oh yeah i mean that's that makes sense like if mark zuckerberg was like going as hard as he has been on the metaverse after releasing this product i'd be scared i'd be like oh wow this is really powerful but he just dropped so true he just dropped some like first iteration of we level shit like the nintendo we like everything inside that looks like a nintendo generation below it and that was like we actually just improved on reality yeah yeah fuck having an avatar just how about you watch avatar on a thousand foot screen in the in the ocean yes but i feel like zuckerberg at least his like instinct of like people are going to be

on this maybe that was correct even though he's like diverting billions of meta dollars into this like goofy like it looks like in the office when Dwight created a second life character it looks worse than that it's like if you've seen jury duty it's like the defense attorney's video that he shows

every time you say jury duty I think of the Pauly Shore movie I don't know yeah that's what I was talking about. Why would it? What's everyone else talking about? Yeah. Biodome.

Luke, it's a real biodome situation. Everything. These Appleglow. I'm like, I mean, think about it. We're all going to be living in biodomes and then we'll come out as virtual Encino men because we haven't been in society for so long. Next thing you know, I'm fighting in the global wars because I'm in the army now.

I'm like, wow, these guys love Pauly Shore. You guys like salute. How have you been wheezing the juice lately? Hey, buddy, are you married? Are you a good son-in-law? What's something that you think is underrated?rated so just kind of looking at all the stuff with this new marvel film uh there was a film that i saw that i think a lot of people

haven't seen uh premiered at the toronto international film festival in 2021 and i programmed it for the cle International Film Festival last year, and it's on Netflix and it's called Farah. And it is about, it's a Palestinian coming of age story. And it takes place during the Nakba in the 1940s. And it's just very good. And I just, I feel like it got a lot of, like, I'm not gonna say there was controversy. There was controversy if you were a Zionist and you had a problem with this. You're trying to humanize these people. Yeah.

But it's, it's, I think a really great film that I think everyone should see. Cause it's just like, and it's from a, it was Jordan's international pick for best picture for their international feature Oscar. And it's really good. Like I said, it on netflix and it's just very well done how do you spell the title um i think it's

f-a-r-a-h there's a couple of variations of how you spell farah yeah right right yeah it's on yeah man wait what were you saying about in relation to marvel you mentioned something about marvel you're just saying that Marvel's just taking up the oxygen. Well, no, I think there was like a like a character that was like like an Israeli cop. Oh, yeah. We're going to get to that. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's part of the Captain America. That's part of the Captain America reboot. Oh, right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Seeing that, I was like, OK, wow.

Let me talk about this. Yeah, right. Rather than a former Mossad agent mutant superhero, how about a human being who's living through the Nakba in Palestine? Are you ever a former Mossad or CIA or are you always just kind of, you know, doing the work behind the scenes i i feel like that yeah former or current which is pretty wild for marvel to be like it's a massage agent it's wild this is captain cia yeah partner yeah it's wild i was with somebody who's like yeah my dad was in the cia and was like all like happy about it and i was kind of like yo like doing what he's like i remember that but like in the 80s like yeah like in latin america and stuff and i was like

no why are you smiling he's like i never saw him but he was like he's like he's got some cool stories you should talk to him i'm like yeah maybe he should talk to the fucking haig yeah and now there's no alternative to hyper capitalism because he killed people it was so sick man basically what happened was like instead of like using communism like as a pressure point we were using like you know predatory loans from the world bank and stuff it was really really cool, man. Anyway. Well, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and we'll talk about these dang wildfires. We'll be right back.

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They're doing, with wildfire smoke, what they did with COVID and calling public health advice to wear masks masks and stay inside a left-wing conspiracy what is the conspiracy exactly that's the question you can't just be like they want you to take care of yourself that's a conspiracy okay they're conspiring to do what through this i don't know it's a great question because their their theory of the case always seemed to be they're making a bigger deal about COVID than it really is to hurt Donald Trump. And somehow, even though every other country was making a bigger deal of it than we were, the fact that it was inconvenient for Donald Trump, that it was extra work. Right. They're like, he already has so much work, was all part of a conspiracy, I guess. Okay.

The difference here, obviously, is that they don't kill anyone else by not wearing a mask, which is, you know, a nice benefit. But they are, you know, talking to a elderly audience, you know, and telling them that masking is part of a conspiracy to control you to nobody really knows what. Stay home and watch more Fox News. I think I think I think subsubsistence wages are a way to control you. Yeah, I don't know. That's just my theory because then what's your alternative if you don't do that?

Anyway, I don't know anything about coercion through financial. Whatever. Okay. It's the masks. It's the masks. It's the masks. Thank God for Fox News. Yeah, for sure.

For sure. So they have like experts on to reinvest? Yeah. Yeah. So they invited Steve Malloy on to discuss this matter in particular. He is a climate scientist. Oh, sorry. No, he's a former cigarette and coal lobbyist. How do you do both? How are you in both? They wanted someone to speak specifically on behalf of smoke. You're on behalf of big smoke.

Okay, a lot of people have been hard on carcinogenic smoke past couple days. We need to get the other side of this issue. Right, right, right. He said of the smoke, this doesn't kill anybody. This doesn't make anybody cough. This is not a health event. Just keep telling them that, and maybe that'll be true.

I just, and I love it. It's from a guy whose job it was to tell people to not worry about the smoke. Like, even though it's scientifically proven, like, whether you're mining coal or you live near a coal-fired plant, like, the health outcomes and all these, there being the cigarette smoke, and he's like, I don't know, that's not a health event man all right can we move on all right did my check okay great thank you third time's a charm like it's not like he can't be wrong about smoke being a risk to people's health okay three times in a row he's like all right i was wrong about the cigarettes y'all got me there and i was wrong about the coal i'll own up to that yeah yeah that's on me that's on me but the wildfires but yeah it does like raise i mean yeah there's nobody specifically funding the wildfires like he's not speaking on behalf of big wildfire i guess it's just all part of an attempt to tamp

down as we'll see any finger pointing specifically at fossil fuel companies. Sure, sure. So just, you know, to, in case you were believing the coal and cigarette lobbyist, a 2021 study found that 33,000 people a year die from pollution caused by wildfire smoke. Like not just pollution in general, that number's astronomically high. Just wildfire smoke. 33,000 people a year die from that.

Wow. Okay. Yeah. And then part of the reason why wearing a mask is being suggested and not mandated, by the way, is because the health risks are long-term ones. They're not a thing that, like, will show up necessarily like right away. That's gold for, for Fox news. You know what I mean?

If it doesn't affect you right this minute, then they can be like, it doesn't even matter, dude. Watch. I'm holding this. You're like plutonium rod. Look,

I'm rubbing it on my face. It doesn't, it's not doing anything to me. You see, maybe in like three weeks from now and be fucked. But right now, all good. All good. You see, don in like three weeks from now and be fucked. But right now, all good. All good. You see, don't wear a mask. Jesus. Yeah. There's a history of people doing like really harmful things with like somebody with like leaded gas. They were like, I'll wash

my hands in this leaded gas and I'll be fine. And then they got like incredibly sick, like right after doing that. But yeah, multiple Fox News hosts have claimed that the smoke is totally fine because they went for a walk and don't feel a thing. So that's the level of scientific rigor that they're bringing to it. Oh, beautiful. I know even like Laura Ingram on her show had like another just creature of the coal industry on. And like, it's funny, she even conceded that the smoke was fucking her up. But then she's like, but it's not an issue, right? It was like a very odd, here, I'll play this moment,

because it's weird to see, like, even on Fox, she was even copping to the fact, she's like, I mean, yeah, it's kind of fucking me up, but it's all good, right? Ah, there it is, going back to the beginning of the show, right? The inevitable intersection of climate and race. If you don't agree with Bill, at some point, they are going to call you a white supremacist. Joining me now, Steve Malloy, senior legal fellow at the Energy and Environment Legal Institute and Trump era transition team member.

Steve, no one's denying it is unpleasant. My eyes are pretty itchy and watery yesterday and a little bit today and might go on for a couple more days. But is this wholly out of the ordinary? I just like that she starts off being like, yeah, man, that's fucking my eyes up pretty bad. Obviously, maybe for the next couple of days. But this is fine, right? And the guy's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he basically like, it's totally normal.

All right. Thanks, Laura. I'm off. But yeah, it's they got to do everything they can to, they have to be so nonchalant about the air quality in order to obscure the impacts of climate change because they can't cop, they cannot, there's no way they can acknowledge that the smoke is bad because that would be an indirect way of saying,

this shit is actually bad that we're experiencing on the planet. Like the situation around us is bad. They cannot ever, ever admit that. actually bad that we're experiencing on the planet like the situation around us is bad they cannot ever ever admit that so it has to always be oh man they were in masks as aocs of snow whatever the fuck it is right they're just putting so much energy into this shit it's like laura you even though but okay whatever just just i mean stupiders and her to her question this is this really out of the ordinary? New York City recorded its worst ever air quality Wednesday.

Ever when? Like this month? No, no, no. Yeah. Yeah, usually ever just means this month. The worst in the history of New York. A city that, like, when you look at the pictures of new york in the past it's just like you know it's very hazy with air pollution and right you know covered in horse shit and not not the cleanest looking place in the world like like you know the little kids who are working the factories all have like black lung and this beat all that shit, you know? Right. So Neha, who are you going to blame in this, in the smoke?

Is it climate change or is it Canada? Because we're also seeing that. Oh yeah, blame Canada. Yeah, oh yeah. But weren't they caused by like lightning? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So they're probably going to arrest the lightning? Yeah.

You know, there's so many things. Yeah. So the weather? Arrest the lightning? Yeah. You know, there's so many things. I'm gonna, I think I'm going to go with climate change because that's what makes sense. And that's actually the truth. Alarmist, alarmist. It's like, what's the big sort of like the closest thing that happens like in Austin or in your community that you're like, oh, that's climate change. And then other people like, no, that's this other thing. Oh, God, I don't know. I feel like, well, I guess like all these crazy snowstorms we've had.

So which I saw is part of the paint with Barbie. And yeah, like we get snowed, I think again in february and i lost my electricity for four days and then it's just yeah like for four days it wasn't as bad as like that 2021 storm but i mean like it always snows here i mean it's not like a pretty like you know like new england snow but yeah it shouldn't yeah we shouldn't be like freaking out just because of like a pretty like, you know, like New England snow. Yeah. Yeah. It shouldn't. Yeah. We shouldn't be like freaking out just because of like there's ice on the road and then like

everything like goes to hell. But it's also because of our grid that is not connected to the rest of the country, which I did not know until that massive snow snow in 2021. Right. Yeah. And how like terribly privatized it basically is. It's like, I don't know, man. Like I can charge whatever the fuck I want.

In order to avoid paying taxes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Both problems caused by deregulating the energy industry, which has worked beautifully. Over at Newsmax, we finally get a voice of reason on the right.

The hosts are weirdly kind of horny for the smoke and and also like not no big deal. MBD think it kind of smells good. Yeah. The orange smog here in New York City. Have you heard about it? Many cities on the East Coast primarily have this big blanket of orange smog right over the top of it. Our woke friends to the north in Canada, their forest fires got out of hand. And well, this is what we're dealing with. It's complicating some people's lives, but it's manageable. I'll tell you, it actually smells like wood smoke. It's not an unpleasant odor, to be honest. It's kind of weird when it seeps into the building. But outdoors, I can deal with it. Folks with

respiratory issues, though, that's a real thing, a real complication. The White House is trying to exploit this, saying it's all... He really did. He was like, hey, man, but if you got respiratory issues, man, that might fuck you up. That must suck. Anyways, moving along. What the fuck? It's seeping into the buildings,

but that's fine. Yeah. I mean, it's a little weird when you can... It smells like wood smoke yeah because it's from a fucking forest fire it's a it's a millions of wood smoke motherfucker what are you talking and it's kind of he also goes on in that clip to say that it's pretty and beautiful i think yeah so he's Which, by the way, like, he's next to images that look like they are, like, after a horrible, like, bombing in a war zone. Yeah. Yeah. This is the beautiful aura. Like, I think it's great that he used the word aura.

Yeah. This is, like, calm aura over the city. I really like it. city i really like it it's just what it made this is wild that like if you're going like how far are we from when they're like oh this house that like this terrible fire that burned up half a city that was beautiful that was great you know what i mean like to like excuse away these things that are so obvious in front of you like it like oh god yeah you do get a mental gymnastics it's like yeah where we're headed with this shit glimpse The glimpse of where we're headed, but also like of the the type of brain that like turns into an on air anchor. Like, remember, like that Brian Williams clip where is like the beautiful majesty of our weapons?

Like, oh, right. Right. Watching like missiles being launched. Right. Watching like missiles being launched. Right. Anyways, at the New York Times, I mean, they're obviously overall like they're not trying to claim the fires have nothing to do with climate change. The articles always mention that human induced climate change is the cause.

Oh, good. question on, I think, a lot of Americans' minds, specifically like people in New York's minds, is this like op-ed from somebody who's like in charge of fighting forest fires. And they're just like, we need to stop putting up with these doofuses who start these fires. And then they're like, well, not these fires, actually. These fires were caused by lightning strikes. But a lot of the ones, other fires are caused by people being careless. And so she talks about like how like when I look at like the devastation of these forest fires and these wildfires, I get so angry. And then like really just goes in on people. Dirt bikers. Yeah. Dirt bikers who like don't have the correct spark suppression

on their vehicles or whatever. And it's just like, yeah, get mad. Get mad at the system and the companies that were aware of this, paid for, did research into this before the rest of the world knew it was going to be a problem in the 80s we're like at the forefront of the research and then we're like uh we're gonna actually pretend it's not a thing and let you guys find out about it on your own and you know that like that would be a great place to look to for consequences instead of the people who are doing the same things they were doing in the 80s, and now it is causing... Hey, they weren't doing gender reveals like this, Jack, in the 80s.

That's true. That's true. You know what, man? That's on them. I just love this shit that we're... They're going the plastic straws route on climate change with these people. It's on y'all. Y'all need to stop this shit.

You need to knock this shit off, because it ain't the fucking massive plastic straws. It's not that. It's y'all, okay? It's these y'all. Y'all need to stop this shit. You knock this shit off because it ain't the fucking massive. It's not that it's y'all. Okay. These damn dirt bikes has nothing to do with my friends at ExxonMobil. Nothing. It's kind of smart because the main focus is like behave like these actions by people who are clearly not New York Times readers. Like New York Times readers aren't going out and like riding dirt bikes through the wilderness with presumptuous sparks shooting after that. Or like one of the people who started one of

the forest fires in L.A. or in California was like a father and son who like went out shooting in the woods. Right. So it's like stuff that like obviously I'm like, yeah, that'd be real easy to stop. And, you know, it's really easy for everyone to look down upon who like isn't born into that culture, obviously. But, uh, it's, and yeah, don't, don't do that shit. I'm all for fire safety, but it does feel like a strategic effort to be, to like put a singular individual out in front instead of, you know, companies and decisions made a long time ago by these companies who are trying hard, as we'll show you in this paid sponsored news blend article that we're about to publish and link off to at the

end of this, you know? Yeah, it's it's so it's so yeah whatever i mean it this is what they have to do because it's like the people know people ingest the the writings and the posts of the new york times and so if you read that then someone is more likely to go and have a conversation about that which is like i read this thing in the new york times that they actually said that like there's a lot of this could be prevented if people didn't have you know gender reveal parties in the woods or put spark suppressors on their dirt bikes rather than if it was constantly saying it's these fucking companies yeah they are the ones who are fucking murdering everybody but because it's a quote company and we're treating this like amorphous thing because it generates capital that we can't somehow hold it responsible so let's avoid that conversation and just move to the finger pointing

to the the the dumb dumbs who like to shoot their guns off in the forest yeah the new york times is part of the that side of you know they are a mouthpiece for the whole like democratic and like corporate entities. And the enemy of like their readers are hillbillies. So, you know, in their readers mind, they portray that. So let's blame hillbillies. Let's find a way to make this about, you know, hating mega people. Yeah. Yeah.

It's urban versus agrarian all over again. Yes, exactly. Ah, tale as old as time. Tale as old as time. mega people yeah yeah it's urban versus agrarian all over again yes exactly yeah ah tale as old as time tale as old as time i think that's how the rest of that song went urban versus agrarian i mean bell was very urbane she wasn't urban but she was like i read books and you guys are idiots and you do the same shit over and over every day and i'm fucking tired of it so yeah meet my dog man boyfriend and i'm into this guy you know and i also got with my kidnapper and not kidnapper but like prisoner hey but hey but he gave me a nice dress yeah that was a nice dress yeah so i can't dress. I do like that dress.

So I can't say the treatment's that bad, being kidnapped by this man. But it's wild, too, like, because along with that, like, there's this sort of, there's, like, this Republican or conservative sort of worldview, right? It's, like, so fatalistic about everything.

That's why there's no point in trying to do anything about it. It's like, they're like, who cares about unhoused people? Who cares about people being fucking slaughtered or living in an apartheid state or child death i'm going to heaven i've been saved yeah so on fox and friends earlier this week host rachel campos duffy aka to elder millennials rachel from the real world san francisco okay that season with pedro and puck

if you remember that very i can't believe this is historic season. Oh, yeah. Rachel Kemp. She was because she was the conservative on that real world San Francisco crowd because she was from Arizona. And she was always like, what the fuck am I doing in San Francisco? That was her energy. What year was this?

This was 91. Is this like the second season? Yeah, this is like. Yeah. This was. Well, I was around, but I was one. Okay, okay. Credit to you.

Credit to you. Well, then you should have been watching. Yeah. I don't think they had MTV in Pakistan at that time. Okay, well, they have it now. Nah. So, you might want to get... This is classic culture.

You need to go back and watch. Anyway, and also, her last name is Duffy because she married a dude from Road Rules. Okay? Wow. That's like her... Anyway, and then her last name is Duffy because she married a dude from Road Rules. OK, that's like her anyway. And then she became this like MAGA conservative on TV. She wasn't talking directly about the fires earlier this week, but her words are definitely again. They portray this like fatalistic worldview that comes along with being like one of these Christian nationalists. The idea that, you know, I don't give a fuck about earth because heaven.

Sometimes, you know, we look at how hard on the left they play. They really play for keeps. They play in a way that's very, you know, a lot of times conservatives look at it and go, why don't we play as hard as them? Well, for them, where we live right now, this place, earth, is it. So everything's on the line here for them. They think, as you said, they can perfect this earth. Those of us who have faith don't believe that. And we believe how we act here determines where we go after. And so we have to behave. And so even in politics, we don't, you know, we act within those moral limits. And, you know, the ends justify the means is sort of the rules for radicals. I'm so lost the way like it was such a contradiction upon like straw man arguments.

Too much there. So that's why they're so kind. And it's because we believe what we do on earth, we'll fuck earth. But what we do here determines it. That's why we want to pollute it to shit. We want to completely harass other people and villainize them, you know,

not be kind or caring. I don't know what the golden rule is because I have not actually read the Bible, but I do like to use i like i like to evoke the bible for my own lack of morals i guess but yeah that's where they are these radicals they're it's like the same way like this is kind of the worldview like in the cold war right like people were like well the soviets aren't going to blow the world up because they believe this is it there's no afterlife like we believe or whatever you know what i mean like it's just a very weird thing of like the enemy has no god yeah that's why they

are here wanting to perfect the earth and i'm sorry that's a bad thing we're trying to be good custodians of this fucking little planet that we're on for a brief fucking moment and i'd most of us are not i'd hope most of us would rather not be contributing to like some fucking system of oppression or pollution or degradation whatever yeah and it's i mean it's acknowledging like it it's actually a pretty interesting point because she's she's basically saying like we believe in evil and like are just like can't beat evil so you just gotta like kill it away put it in prison you know like do all that stuff because there's no fixing these people you know right and that that is a like it's kind of a good window into how

their minds work and how their worldview works and why they are really dangerous the the wild thing is the end of that quote where she said where she said the ends justify the means is sort of the rules for radicals the there's it got cut off she continues by saying that's not how christians act oh really wow how do we get here anyway don't worry about it. What's colonization at all? Whatever. Fine. Do your thing. Do your thing, Rachel Campos Duffy. and don't believe in ends justify the means to the passing of a man who embodied the opposite of that pat robertson just one of the worst pieces of garbage the only people who seem to be upset about his passing are people who mistakenly thought that robert pattinson had died no which yeah are there were there people who are like i can't believe it or

they're like that's a joke he didn't die it was trending on twitter it is like the the exact opposite pat robertson robert pattinson that's actually really funny yeah i hadn't connected them but yeah robin at shadowcaster 78 said my dyslexic ass thought this said Robert Pattinson. Yeah. Nah, nah, it's Patterson. The bad ones. It's Patterson. I mean, Robertson.

It's Robertson. Yeah, now you're doing it. All right. So just a quick greatest hits of this piece of shit. So just one thing that makes him like he was still being followed by a lot of people up until the end or like watched by a lot of people sent money by a lot of people he was constantly predicting apocalypses that never came just throughout his life like in 1976 he said the world was going to end in 1982. So he thought the rapture was going to come before Return of the Jedi ever came out. 1990, he wrote a book claiming the world was going to end in 2007. Just kept predicting the end of the world right up until 2020 when he said that Trump was going to win the election. Oops. And an asteroid was going to destroy us all.

destroyed was going to destroy us all. So again, just a, I don't know, interesting insight into how the, the minds of the people who, who follow him operate, which is, I guess, very forgiving. Well, if the world's going to end, then, you know, all good. Yeah. That motivates you to be like, that's why I'm in this corner. Cause the world about to end. Are you saved? Yeah. Oh wait, what happens? It just, it's just silence after you pass away. And then he blamed horrific tragedies on things he just didn't like. So one week after 9-11, he and Jerry Falwell got together to say that God had allowed the terrorists to succeed because the United States had become a nation of abortion, homosexuality, secular schools and courts, and the American Civil Liberties Union. So the ACLU was to blame for 9-11. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, he's always blamed. It's like women or gay people or Muslims or anybody who is not a cis white Christian,

like from there. It's like, oh, yeah yeah the haitians you know why they had that earthquake is because they made a deal with the devil back when they fucking liberated themselves from slavery from the french this man really said that shit he said they got an earthquake because they made a deal with the devil to liberate themselves from slavery uh and we've only seen we've talked about this time and again about how the western world has just fucking like landed knockout blow after knockout blow on haiti as like a response to them being like you are the you are going to be the first and last group of like subjugated people that will liberate themselves from colonizers and we're gonna make a fucking example out of you for centuries it's that it's not they they made a deal with the devil that's

that's what happened yeah yeah he he repeatedly attacked muslims islam and the prophet muhammad throughout the years and called the religion a monumental scam and i just want to compare that with uh his charity work uh supporting rwandan refugees in Zaire was actually a front for his blood diamond mining operation. Like there's there's a documentary. Oh, my God. What? That couldn't be. You couldn't script something more fucking evil than that. who served as operations manager for a organization that was helping people after the

genocide in 1994. The charity stopped sending medical teams to one of the camps where refugees were being held several weeks into the operation. And then the film that put all this together alleges that these resources, the donations, the cargo planes, et cetera, were used for the for-profit African Development Company Limited, a diamond mining operation that was headquartered in Kinshasa while the mining site itself was located in a remote village nearby. Robertson was the sole shareholder and president of african development company ltd so rest in piss you fucking loser yeah fucking unbelievable yeah and i mean like just like i remember he said something about how like orlando florida was gonna get hurricanes because disneyland had like a gay like pride night in the 90s yeah and it's like hurricanes hit fucking full

okay yeah go ahead it's that too it's that too or like eight like that people that with hiv or aids like hivs they were they were transmitting it to straight people as like part of a conspiracy that's all this all these like this people like you know this is i'm done. I'm done. In a 2013 segment on the 700 Club that he said the gay people have a secret ring that transmits HIV to unsuspecting people they shake hands with. His co-host was like, really? And he said, really? Really? It is that kind of vicious stuff, which would be the equivalent of murder. And then the following year,

he warned that towels in Kenya could transmit AIDS. So he just, Oh, his brain was constantly just churning complete bullshit. Yeah. Anti-blackness, anti-black, just homophobia,

whatever he needs to do. One time he said you shouldn't even adopt kids. Yeah. He was like, how to take like that. He said, quote, you just never know what's been done to a child before you get that child. Yeah. Cool, man. Okay.

So anyway, it's just, anyway, thank God if you're out there for taking him, or I'm saying Satan, thank you for reclaiming him and taking him down with you. Appreciate you, Satan. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about Captain America. We'll be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life.

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you get your podcasts hello hugo hugo boss what up gentlemen as we live and breathe sorry i'm just gonna do this like i do every phone call uh in a professional setting and open it up with oh man so we're here with hug Bosque. From the Discord. From the Discord. Also, I guess, like I've said before, I think when we've referenced your name from AKA, that you're referencing the Bounty Hunter, correct? I am, yeah. Okay, yes. Jack, you know all about Bosque, correct?

I mean, I wouldn't call myself a Bosque expert, but I definitely, I'm a Star Wars fan, for sure. I'm sorry, I was shaming our other Star Wars expert, Jack, just now asking if he knew all about it. I'm just learning. I'm like going through a crash course. But your name, when you did a AKA, actually brought up my lack of knowledge of Star Wars and how I'm cramming to try to just keep up in my damn household.

People don't know what a Trandoshan is, Jack. That's the thing. They look like the little lizard-headed people. Anyway, all that to say, here we are. Our first Zeitgang worker interview. What are we even calling this, Jack? Yeah, worker interview Zeitgang. I think those words in some order.

W-I-Z. You need to take a whiz, y'all. Yeah. And, you know, we had some people who worked for CERN. We're going to, you know, keep doing this segment. We had some people who, like, do all sorts of really, like, highbrow, crazy stuff. But as it is, when I'm making my decision of where to order pizza, we got to go Domino's. It doesn't matter what's on offer elsewhere. We got to go Domino's first.

But no, Hugo, you wrote in and basically said that being a Domino's pizza delivery driver is a fascinating angle to view the world from. And I'm just curious to hear more about that. What are some things that you are seeing as a pizza delivery guy? I mean, I think the most interesting thing about it is that you kind of get to experience almost every day, sort of every level of American society in terms of class, in terms of workplace, in terms of age demographic. Yeah. I mean, I feel like there are a lot of jobs, and I've had many of them, where you sit behind a desk all day or you stand behind a counter all day and you just interact with the people in front of you or around you.

And this job is fascinating in that you interact with every level of the economic stratum from people living on the street or in RVs all the way up to people living in multimillion dollar mansions and every point in between. Yeah. Like, like, do, do people in mansions, do their houses smell like shit? You know what i mean like are you seeing things like that one of the things i was very surprised by in the course of this job uh because you know when you are right at people's front doors you get to see into at least the open area of a lot of people's homes right right and uh one of the things i was genuinely most surprised by was that very wealthy people are just as filthy as everyone else okay Okay. Or at least in the same proportion of people who don't take care of their homes versus people who do. Oh, right, because in your mind, you're like,

this person who surely has this gigantic home must take pride in keeping it completely clean or spotless. Right. I would think, if nothing, they could at least afford to pay somebody to come around and take care of it. Sure. But I regularly deliver to multiple multi-million dollar homes that are just absolute spies. I don't know if they're hoarders or if they just have just been setting stuff down since they moved in there and never picked up anything since. Right. It's too big.

The house is too big. They've got too much much shit they can't pick it all up yeah i think they probably do hire people to pick it up and it's just so like they're worse somehow that's that's really incredible yeah they just go right back to it yeah especially with the the way in which you know houses are sort of the closest thing that most people have to a way to retire in this country in terms of home ownership being the one asset that you're supposed to take really good care of so that eventually when retired you can sell it off. I don't know if there's some sort of disconnect

where they have so much wealth that they just don't have to think about it that way. Right. I feel like wealth, probably there's some shared mental thing with accumulating wealth and being a hoarder right like you're accumulating an illogical irrational immoral amount of wealth maybe you're doing the same thing with with object no jack some of these people are just unburdening themselves that's right you just have to unburden yourself what other stuff like what what other things do you see like what's the like what's the wild shit that you see because i know obviously on top of again

like starting from a very foundational level you're like you kind of see it all like doing doing what i do but what are the parts that i think you know like in my mind the the concept of a like a pizza delivery person i'm, it's either starting off a porno or they witness a robbery or something, things like that. Do you find yourself in situations like that or is that mostly the movie Hollywood brain? I mean, I've definitely seen some strange stuff out there

and also just people acting in extreme ways, let's say. There are definitely some people who really don't take it well when you won't give them the thing that they want that you can't actually make. Right. Like, I feel like I see this all the time. Like, I feel like people just since, you know, 2020 and like all the lockdowns are becoming more just rude to anyone. Yes. Any service capacity or like retail capacity. I'm guessing it's no, it's probably no different. Like, does that bleed into even when you deliver?

Like, I feel like when someone brings a pizza, you're like, yeah, the pizza. And do you also get other people like, what the fuck? Yeah, I will say there is definitely a different, like a very marked difference between people who come to pick up carryout versus people that you deliver to. Generally speaking, I've been delivering for like seven years now because the money is shockingly good for how easy of a job that it is. When you go to people's doors, yeah, I think I've only ever had once had somebody was like upset when I got there. And it was because we were insanely busy. And I was two and a half hours late with their food, which that is pretty reasonable to be upset

about. That's got to be a tough... What did the tracker tell them? Well, okay. Just to roll in on a little secret with the Domino's tracker, it doesn't actually track anything. It's just a timer. We heard that. And I didn't want to believe it. And the whole podcast

has actually been building to this moment where we could actually confirm this reveal. And I don't know what to do with myself at this point. So are the names random? Are the names at least true? Is Brian putting my pizza in the oven? They do use the real names, although it is like they are somewhat randomly assigning the,

like who is actually putting your pizza in the oven. Might not be who's actually putting your pizza in the oven and all that. Right. How many, how many people like answer the door butt naked? Yeah. So that was actually one of the things that I was genuinely shocked by with this job is the number of genitals that you end up seeing.

Like for real, like for real, for real. Yeah, mostly dicks. What? I know. Now I've heard everything. Yeah, you wrote in your thing like more. I've seen more dicks than you'd expect. And I assumed you meant people acting like dicks, not seen more dicks than you'd expect. And I assumed you meant

people acting like dicks, not like penis dicks. It's actual penis dicks you're saying. Yeah. I mean, I just, between when we did the little pre-interview and now, I had another incident although it was a woman this time.

Wow. But just somebody coming to the door and wearing a t-shirt and nothing else, and the t-shirt wasn't long enough. Right. How frequently, just real quick, how frequently is that happening? I mean, I've been doing this

for about seven years now. I would say that I've had it happen at this point about two dozen times, so maybe like two to three times a year. So once every few months. Is it always on some predatory shit? Are people just trying to flash you like that? Or are some people completely out of sorts

and like, oh shit, I ain't got, whoa. I have some theories about this. Part of it I do think is that I live in a place where weed is legal and we know we we like to we like to blaze up sure and i think a lot of people are as part of their like day off ritual you know they blaze up they maybe grab a shower and order a pizza they throw on a shirt and then they come to the door just like so blazed up that they're not thinking about oh so like you're looking at people like with eyes redder than the state of

Arkansas. Oh, yeah. People with eyes red like stop signs. Right. Right. Oh, got it. Because part of me is like that sucks. Like if you're just also having to contend with just like fucking perverts who are like, yeah, thanks for the pizza, man. I mean, I will say there

the very first time it happened, it was a dude who just came to the door just fully nude. Yeah. And in fairness to him, I mean, the very first time it happened, it was a dude who just came to the door just fully nude. And in fairness to him, I mean, dude had a hammer. Like, I also would not ever wear pants if I was packing what that guy was packing. Like, it was out of control. Oh, I thought you meant he was wielding a hammer. In all fairness, he did seem unhinged with a hammer so i just kept it moving yeah yeah somebody shows up at the door naked with a hammer i'm not going to complete that friend yeah right right right um

but they don't so they there's not a moment where they're like oh my god i'm so sorry and like run and put because that's the thing like i've had like stress dreams you know the famous stress dream of like now you realize you're not wearing pants like a speech or something like it seems like the sort of thing that could happen to someone as like in a quick moment of like not you know being fully aware but the second you see the person it feels like you would immediately but but you're saying they complete the whole transaction just poo-bearing it, just Donald Ducking it. Yeah, just Donald Ducking it. Wow.

And yeah, I think it's a combination of like, it's people who literally aren't aware of the fact they're, you know, showing junk. And people who I think maybe in a prior era would have been exhibitionists or flashers. But as sort of our culture has become more automated and like less, you know, there are fewer third spaces in which to expose yourselves to people.

This is proof we need community. Yeah, I mean, I hate to say it, but in a weird way, I really do think that it is. And so because we have so much more, like so many more services where people are coming right to your door, the opportunity space for people to engage in that kind of, I don't know if you would call it a fetish or just a sex crime,

but I think that a lot of it is transferred to the door people of the world. You know, delivery guys like me or like your Amazon guy or what have you. Right. Or your Uber Eats, you know, the guys dropping off your Starbucks. Yeah. Or however they self-identify. In every context, I'm always amazed by that. Like how many people have that impulse to show everybody

their dick like when chat roulette came online and like that was just all anybody was using it for oh yeah so yeah it is a crime like the shit i obviously shouldn't be doing unless you are unless you showed up to the dick show yeah yeah i don't think uh yeah i don't think that's a consent thing yeah and i mean i i always think too about uh i mean you know we we have female drivers and i always wonder i at least i've never heard from them that they're doing this so to an extent i almost wonder if the fact that they have like the tracker and they can see whose name it is right determines whether they're doing that this could all just be a hitchcockian plot to drive me mad i've considered that yeah but who would be behind such a thing yeah it does seem

to happen enough that i'm like something's up here right this must happen to other people right right it can't just be me what's i mean what tell me like just sort of from you know from doing this job what is like kind of what what what's the shit that irks you the most about the work or about the what it means to you know do the work you do whether that's in the context of what like people who are interacting with you don't understand or even like the you know the fucking business owners of you know the franchise don't even understand uh well part of it is that the franchisees are um extremely cheap extremely right-wing people and they don't believe in uh like updating or replacing equipment and other necessary tools in a timely manner so it's always pulling teeth to get the things out of them

that you need from them, sometimes months. Right, so what are those tools that are... I mean, even just basic stuff like uniforms and replacement kitchen tool stuff, getting things fixed. Right, wow. Just the most base stuff that you would think would be part of being a responsible business owner. But I mean, these are people who just live in a compound way, way outside

of the city. Oh, just like siphoning money from this project. Right. And then they just have the managers that they send around to make sure everything is basically running and collect the checks, so to speak. Right. And I suspect that basically running and collect the checks, so to speak. And I suspect that this level of gentry, for lack of a better term, that every major city and town is full of these kind of people. Or rather, its power structure

is full of these kind of people. Right. Sure. People are just like, oh, this is just passive money. I just get to sit back and not do this job in any way and make other people's lives miserable. But I'm insulated enough from it that. Oh, yes. Yeah, there was I worked with somebody whose family were like the like in the top five franchise owners of Domino's. And like for the longest time, I i was like what do you what do y'all do blah this that and the other like and like one of my other friends like it's all dominoes money like they have like 70 restaurants some some obscene number of franchises that they just

sort of like yeah and that's kind of where all the money comes from and i did yeah like i i failed to realize like those sort of mini like fiefdoms of like owning numerous franchises. That's wild. I'm also curious like, what are, I think, you know, Jack, we were talking about like, we kind of want to do overrated and underrated too. About the job. Yeah, like what's something that you like about your job

or like a skill that your job kind of requires or has like given you access to? I mean, I will say, the two most underrated things about the job. One is I get to listen to podcasts all day. And that is, I'll be honest, it's part of the reason it's hard to leave that job. The idea of having to work in a place where I have to just my own thoughts and just stand there doing whatever in my head all day

instead of just getting to listen to podcasts all day and hand people food exchange for money. I don't know if I can go back, guys. But also, it definitely, and I've had prior jobs that sort of did this to a degree. I worked at a call center for Comcast many years ago. It just sort of forces you to be a level of social that I think a lot of people are no longer forced to be. Yeah. Where insofar as you're social, it comes to this extremely mediated interaction where you're like, work way through like a sort of pre-written conversation. Right. Whereas, at least in the context of being a pizza guy, I mean, you know, the interactions you have often are fairly perfunctory,

but they're still realer in a way than any other job that I have because people are always happy to see you. Nobody pissed off because their pizza has arrived. Right, right. And so you do get to see, sorry, I'm trying to think of a way to articulate this. Is it like heartening? It's like life-affirming in a way?

In a way. I mean, it is and it isn't. Sure. When you asked before about the thing that is most frustrating about the job, what came to mind was people who don't tip. Sure, right. Who, as far as I'm concerned, are moral monsters. Oh, right. Who, as far as I'm concerned, are moral monsters. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah.

The way this country operates, it's incumbent on tipping. Right, for sure. And you would think over time I would get more used to it and just eventually stop caring. But if anything, the longer I do the job, the more just every time

it just feels like a core betrayal of the social compact. Right. Right. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. I understand the job, the more just every time it just feels like a core betrayal of the social compact. Right, right. Yeah. I understand the history of tipping and that it was originally instituted for like racist reasons and stuff like that. After slavery. But yeah, but look at here we are now and now everybody suffers

under that shit. Exactly. Exactly. And that's the thing is at the end of the day, if you can afford to order your home, you can afford to tip. Right. Just full stop. It's like going to a restaurant or a bar and then not tipping your waiter or your bartender. It's just as rude. Sure.

Sorry, I don't want to sound cranky about that. Totally. I see all the time people debate this though like about like i'm not tipping blah blah blah and like do you understand like what the the toll it would a take on your vehicle if you have to it's your own car right and then that there's gas and these other there's it's not just like well that's what they get paid to do there's all these other parts of a job that i think a lot of people don't understand or or really look at it very narrowly as to who does or does not, you know, deserve a tip like in a given industry.

I mean, I do think that there is an extent to it, especially if you don't take the time to pay attention to it. The sort of like logistics behind how everything works are sort of masked for most people. And so unless you really spend the time to look into it, you sort of end up with these very almost like magical thinking perceptions of the world.

Like I, based on interactions that I've had with customers, I think there is a substantial percentage of them who think that pizza just comes out of like a magical hole in the wall. Like people will come in and ask for food and then it'll be like okay it's going to be like 10 to 15 minutes to make and they'll be like you don't have it ready like the words just left your mouth my dude yeah but yeah i think it's masked intentionally right like that is more and more the world that we're built into is that everything like all the behind the scenes stuff like that's what

amazon puts behind a wall that's what a lot a lot of these you know food delivery services put behind a wall is and i guess domino's was at the at the forefront of that of just getting rid of any human interaction other than like that quick transactional moment like that that's what the people who build this system call friction. And they want to create less friction. And it's like, that's very bleak and also makes us all dumber. I think that's how they sell it.

But to be honest, I think it's a form of oblique union busting. Right. That essentially, after the height of unionism in like the 60s and 70s capital started to rearrange the actual physical terrain of how businesses are put together in order to prevent unions from arising like now factories are out in the middle of nowhere instead of in a city where they have like a set of third place bars and stuff like that around them where like people can get together after work

and talk to their coworkers. Now, you know, if you work at a factory, you're out in the middle of nowhere, you live in a house that's out in the middle of nowhere that you drive 30 miles to and then you drive back to your house. Everyone is literally atomized in a way that I don't want to sound like conspiracy brain outed because

i don't think that it's that i do think that it's more like aggregate classes acting in their own interests right but the asymmetry of power because they have so much more money and political access allows them to to rearrange that terrain and i think that that's true with with stuff like like like that masking is just a side effect of that process. I think that if you can't see the labor conditions, then you can't even build the awareness necessary to overcome them. That's right. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Why would I worry about this guy who just gets the pizza out of the hole in the wall down the street for me and brings it to me in a duffel bag? Takes 20 minutes to get it from

the hole in the wall to my mouth the hell i always think about that there's this anecdote that like london cab drivers have like this super powered part of their brain that you know they have access to just like and now obviously we have gps but like is there anything that you know better than you know people might expect based on yeah what's the superpower yeah yeah i mean you definitely at least for your delivery area or mine i suppose you do get like a perfect mental map after a while to the point where people can just tell you where they're at in a more general sense. You'd be like, oh, yeah, I know exactly where to find you. Or, you know, all the little like tricks of, oh, this building is impossible to park at.

So here's where you have to go instead in order to get to them. And also, you sort of you see the insides of lots of places and people just sort of freely give you the like access codes to their buildings or offices constantly right to the point where i often think about how like if somebody wanted to you know be like a like a serial thief right become a pizza driver like people will just give you access to everything it's wild yeah right i guess like the sort of your defenses go down because they're like well they're only here to deliver the thing and not remember how to get into this bank building. Well, not just that, but like you almost get treated as like background noise. Like I've definitely delivered to like business meetings where people are like discussing high level stuff.

And I am just not there as far as they're concerned. Right. discussing high-level stuff, and I am just not there as far as they're concerned. I am just like a Star Wars droid who's just putting pizzas on the table for them, and that can just be safely ignored. Right, right, right. Ocean's Eleven needs to hire a Domino's delivery driver

to their crew. Domino's Caburglar. That's just the new way that you infiltrate the Capitol. Just like, oh no, just going to the Rayburn building just with some pizzas to, I think,

Senator Schumer's office. And then just like, hang out, listen to stuff. Yeah, I mean, I genuinely wonder sometimes if any like clever

foreign power has ever like gotten a guy into the Pentagon by literally just waiting until they ordered a pizza and then

intercepting that and sending their own guy in because I'm sure they can get everywhere. I've done that all the time where I've been in access-controlled buildings and you can tell someone's getting a delivery and you just open the door. You're like, yeah, yeah. You dropping something off? Go ahead. And I never asked. I'm like, I don't know.

They had a shopping bag. It all seemed up and up. But one thing I like to ask because I'm a big fast food head and food head in general. It's actually a two part question. Are the secret codes real at Domino's? And is there a secret menu at Domino's? I'll be honest. There aren't, as far as I'm aware, secret codes.

If there are, nobody's revealed them to me. And I feel like I've been far and away the longest serving person at that store. So if there were, I feel like I would have found out about them. But do you know what I'm talking about? Like about like there's like these coupon codes. Oh, well, I mean, there are like codes that only we as employees can use that are just for us. But to be honest, I don't know if it varies from franchise to franchise, but the ones

that bust, not actually as good as the ones the customers get. It was crappier discounts. Right, right. They're like, what did we say, Hugo? Three pepperonis on there. That's it. Don't lose your shit now. Insofar

as the secret menu goes, there are definitely like combinations of food that we make for ourselves that are not on the menu. Yeah, okay, like? I do like what I've called the heart attack special, which is the Wisconsin three cheese with salami. Oh. Adding salami onto something called

the Wisconsin three cheese. Amazing. Yeah, and you tuck the salami in under the cheese for the proper layering. Yeah. Old school Papa John's style. Yeah, and they just debuted that new loaded tots item

a little while back. We've been experimenting with mixing that with the chicken and doing a thing where it's like a cheese blend and some bacon and then doing a mango habanero sauce drizzle and

some of the regular hot sabarbi sauce combined with that for a real good sort of spicy savory. It's good stuff. Oh, man. You can't really order it. There's not a a way you can be like secretly ordering it off the menu because A, it would be crazy expensive.

And B, with like the really good stuff that we make for ourselves there, it would take too long to make for a regular customer. It would take like 20 minutes because we're putting it through the oven multiple times. Oh, wow. Okay. One of the things I will, you know, put out there to the listeners as like a good hack for our wings, never let them put them through just once.

Always make sure they put them through at least a second time if you're willing to wait. Well done. Ask for them well done. Wait, you ask for it that way? Like put them through twice? done. All we do is just push it back in the oven one length of the tray back. Wings, you genuinely want to wait the extra 10 minutes to have them put it through a second time if they're willing. Oftentimes, they will not

be, just to warn you. Don't be surprised if you ask them. They're like, we're not going to do that. They're like, who the fuck told you that, man? There's a decent chance that's the response you will get. But if they're cool about it or if it's a decent chance that's the response you will get yeah yeah but if but if they're cool about it or if it's a slow day that day yeah uh ask them if they will put it through a second time for you because then the wings actually come out closer to good i won't call them great but right yeah i know what you mean because yeah then they're not when they're i feel like slightly

undercooked or not undercooked like in terms like they're inedible. I'm like, these could get a little bit more of a cook on them just for taste. Yeah, they did used to have an item which I desperately wish they would bring back. And I think they still have other franchises. A half dipped chocolate cookie. Do they have that where you guys are at? No, no, no. Yeah, that was one that I was a big fan of for a long time.

You take one of those, throw it in the microwave for like 10 seconds, and it just comes out just beautiful. Amazing. They should have a unified menu with all the states that have legalized cannabis. I think that just makes sense as a general business practice. I mean, I'll be honest. I am genuinely surprised that they haven't gone the route of Jack in the Box. Jack in the Box just openly has its munchie menu where it's just like, listen, stoners, we are here for you.

We know where our business comes from. Right, right, right. And I feel like enough of Domino's business also comes from that same crowd that it's wild to me that we haven't literally started just being like hey guys we got something for you yeah look weed you guys like weed right we get it we know try this new one out all right that's

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