The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 289 (Best of 8/28/23-9/1/23)

Episode Date: September 3, 2023

The weekly round-up of the best moments from DZ's season 302 (8/28/23-9/1/23)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Jess Costavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game.

Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeart on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast presented by elf beauty founding partner of iheart women's sports hello the internet and welcome to this episode of the weekly zeitgeist uh these are some of our favorite segments from this week all edited together into one uh non-stop infotainment laugh-stravaganza. So without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Katie, it's a full-crack reunion because we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat

by the best-selling author of books like John Dies at the End, Zoe Punches the Future in the Dick, if this book exists here in the wrong universe, and the new Zoe is Too Drunk for this Dystopia, which I believe you can pre-order still? Yes. He is also one of the hosts of the podcast Big Feets, which, if I'm reading this Paris Review article correctly, is the only Mountain Monsters podcast

officially endorsed by Big Feet. He's our former co-worker at Cracked, co-creator of the Cracked podcast. Welcome back to the show, Jason Pargin! Now, is it okay for me to do my fake Italian accent that I do sometimes? I don't know. I realize there are some accents that are inappropriate to keep doing. I'd be deeply, as a 100% non-Italian person

living in Italy, I'd be deeply offended. Okay. Then I won't. Because it's one that's so much fun that I don't know if I'm doing an actual Italian accent or if I'm doing a Hollywood accent of actors who themselves were in no way Italian. Right. And did not have a language go through. It's like, why are you breaking my balls? Mamma mia! There it is. There it is.

The American concept of Italian accent is immigrants from Naples who came to the U.S. And that's it. And Chris Pratt's interpretation of Mario. Yeah. Those are the two kind of key texts, the cornerstones. He's a national icon in Italy, actually. People don't think that.

But Chris Pratt is insanely popular. One and two. All right. Jason, how are you doing? Where are you coming to us from? Undisclosed? Sure. I'm in the state of Tennessee, if you want to try to find me. There's one guy on TikTok who can locate anybody just from any photo they take. If you want to show up at my house, I'm sure you can do it. Wait, how does he do it? Like, even if you're inside, he can do it? Well, probably not. But if you're standing, like, just in your yard, he will take the sliver of sky behind you.

And he can identify exactly down to your address. And that's his whole bit. Yeah. That's crazy and terrifying. Katie is coming to us from Europe. That's right. Not Italy, though, this time. From Barthelona.

Hey, well done on the pronunciation key it's Barcelona yeah now that feels like it should be offensive it probably is yeah okay you know I'm in for it what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? The very last search that I did just last night was, quote, the Winter Palace Wikipedia. The Tsar's ancient palace. It is the setting of a show on Hulu called The Greats, which is why I was Googling it. And I went in a deep dive on Russian history, which is always hilarious, just like the show. I'm amused by the buffoonery of our friends from Russia. I don't know the story that well. What was going down in the Winter Palace? Is that where?

What wasn't going down in the Winter Palace? Oh, yeah. Jack, am I right, Scott? Chest bump? Oh, yeah. Well, there wasn't anything especially great about the Winter Palace Wikipedia article other than the fact that apparently two, I think it was 200,000 people died building it.

Which seems like it's off by like a factor of 10. Yeah, that seems like a whole off by like a factor of 10. Yeah, that seems like a whole city worth of people. I don't know, but did you see it? Pretty fucking worth it. You know what I'm saying? It looks pretty good. I've never been. Throw 100,000 more in it,

and maybe you could get more of those little onion domes everyone seems to love. Oh, yeah. No, the onion domes, those are classic. That's classic Moscow. This is St. Petersburg, baby. I know. I just fucking don't. I've never been. I, the Onion Domes. Those are classic. That's classic Moscow. This is St. Petersburg, baby. I know. I just fucking don't.

I've never been to Russia. I studied Russian in college and sucked at it and then stopped. Like the language? You studied Russian language? Yeah. Yeah. Хорошо. Хорошо. Wow. The accent on that is not great. It's not great? I hear I was expecting you to be like, it was fantastic. I got to tread carefully. Sofia, are you from Russia?

I'm from Ukraine, but I'm fluent in Russian. Yeah, that's my first language. Do you know what my favorite word in Russian is? No, what? Kolodilnik. Kolodilnik? It means refrigerator. I know.

At least that's what I remember. That's pretty cool. That's a good word so i'm listening to a on audible a two-volume biography of joseph stalin holy shit not a very nice gentleman joseph stalin wait really you're like my fucking grandpa was like those are exactly the fucking things that would absorb him for hours yes it's it's absorbed it's absorbed me for 80 hours now the steven cox can check it out yeah and there's one left left to come it it ends on a cliffhanger guys hitler's about to invade the soviet union so i can't wait for volume three i think it's gonna work out well i think they're gonna beat the nazis i think there's gonna be a lot of Well, I think they're going to beat the Nazis.

I think there's going to be a lot of unhappiness for decades to come, but yeah, I think that particular invasion things work out. I think Hitler, that guy is just like a flash in the pan, not to ruin it for you. It's not going to be a big deal. I mean, he kind of was,

but you had a brief rise. By the way, I feel like you shouting out russia's word for refrigerator i feel like the english language were like the english language really went off on the word refrigerator that's pretty good like that i feel like maybe maybe there was like a cold war competitiveness that was happening there but refrigerator is yeah i kind of like it that's a cool word yeah it sounds like a brand name or something like it sounds like it was workshopped right sounds like it has a motor yeah yeah yeah you know what i'm saying yeah it just sounds like

it makes cold well that's what it means right it doesn't mean cold or something yeah yeah yeah yeah but i just mean i feel like refrigerator doesn't make you think of cold it makes you think of a motor yeah but also we're keeping it cold frigid it says to me thrown frigid in there which is a a good evocative way to word for cold so i don't don't know. I think they really, I think they saw what Russia was doing and was like, we got to do better than ice chest, which I think was what they called it for a long time.

I love ice chest, though. Automatic ice chest. Ice chest has like a chalice vibe. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it does. You know, like, I'm going to sit on my ice chest with my chalice of mead.

Yes. My favorite Russian word, божья коровка. It is how you say ladybug. You know, like I'm going to sit on my ice chest with my jealous of mead. Yes. My favorite Russian word, Borgia Karovka. It is how you say ladybug. And it means God's little cow. And I'm obsessed with it. What? It's always been my favorite.

Isn't that the cutest thing you've ever heard? Are you just dying right now? I'm dying every time I think about it. God's little cow. Yeah. How cute is that? Look at at that little guy so fucking cute and also not gendered the way that ours is or i guess it is no it's gendered it is because cows are girlies yeah yeah uh never mind i'm against it god's little cow is so cute i always thought that like if i was gonna like be somebody that opened like a

i don't know like a kindergarten or something that's what i would call it god's little cow like bullshit cutoff guy i'd be like that is the cutest all of the kids are gonna go here that's amazing like a preschool a ladybug ladybug preschool but there's probably many of them so right it really works i think it's a great name. Thank you so much, Scott. Scott, what is something you think is overrated? Massages. Massages. I do not like giving massages, and I do not like receiving massages.

They make me feel intensely uncomfortable, and the fact that so many people love them so much is a total mystery to me. Have you ever had a good one? I think I've had some some good ones. Yeah. Like on my honeymoon, an expensive couples massage in like Greece or whatever that we paid lots and lots of money for. I found it uncomfortable and akin to torture the entire time. Well, money's not really how you judge it because anyone can just be

like oh you're in a hotel fucking pay me a thousand dollars to touch you that didn't come out right but um i just kind of want to know do you get like the light kind do you get the deep kind and do you think when they touch you it's like too much pressure or too little or do you just not like people touching you i i yeah it's it's all above. I've tried more than once. I've had the light massages. I've had those deep tissue massages that leave you feeling ill for days. Anytime they warn you ahead of time, like, oh, hey, you're going to just feel sick and stuffed up for the next 48 hours because we're going to rub so many toxins out of your flesh and send it coursing through your your system out of your nose and you're supposed

to drink a lot of water so oh they do tell you that i'm not no one no one ever does myself included and then you're like why do i feel not nice i'm like well bitch they told you yeah i like to go from massage directly to just drinking a giant a train to of uh cold brew oh my god you're the healthiest that's how that voice came around that's right and that's why i sound like this scott i think it's bold of you to admit that you hate massages because i think a ton of people do but they won't say anything because they're like people think i'm insane it's like when someone says they don't like guacamole. Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's a little more selfish to say you hate giving massages. I think that's probably more. Yeah. No, you're a piece of shit for that. You're a total piece of shit for that. You're a fucking monster. You're never going to come back to this podcast for that. What's like, what is a massage giving?

What is like massage giving? When is it okay to be annoyed? Like how many minutes? Because for me, it's less than one minute. You can feel when the person giving it is annoyed. So it's always been bad, even that three minutes that they give. And I'm like, you know what? Take your fucking lobster ass hands out of here. I don't need this pity massage.

hands out of here i don't need this pity massage they're just giving like mitten style massages with all four fingers together and then yeah fucking zoidberging my fucking neck i don't want that fuck that scott is that your style to do a bad job so you're just out of there i mean i, I try my best, but I promise it's bad. That's I mean, I fuck no matter what I'll do. I'll give it my absolute all and will still disappoint. And then the annoyance will will come through. So, I mean, maybe that's at the heart of why I don't like them, because I've never really had a good experience either as a giver or a receiver. But no, it's just not it's just not my thing. Are you an expert massage giver?

Would you say? Yeah, I'm awesome. I have the hands of a construction worker, but the gentleness of an angel of one of God's little cows. Exactly. Yeah. I,

yeah, I, I like giving and receiving. Hell yeah, Jack. I was complimented in the past year that I receive massage well from somebody. Ooh. And I took that. I was like, I didn't know I needed to hear that about myself, but it really meant a lot.

What could that possibly mean other than making noises? Yeah. Just really receptive, encouraging noises. Being like, that is the spot. How did you know? You're like the vocal groaner, Jack. It's an older woman. That's the nicest way to say you're a vocal groaner, Jack.

She's really sweet. She gives my wife and I massages. And I think she just likes us. And so she comes up with ways to compliment us. But you're right. It doesn't make sense for that to be a skill that somebody has. But I totally took it to heart. I was like, yes.

Did she pay the same compliment to your wife? Yeah. She loves my wife. I mean, she's given my wife every single compliment in the world. Maybe she's running out and that's why she's like, you're good at taking this massage. Your husband did a good job taking a massage from me. Taking a massage sounds like so Dami. Yeah, yeah. Of her. of her like yeah he takes that massage

good you take that don't you yeah exactly what is something you think is underrated popsicles i've been obsessed i so i bike everywhere in the city and that's how i get around and it's very humid i know you were you guys were saying that someone a previous guest had said summer was overrated and i and i agree it's very hot and humid here and i'm biking everywhere and when i get home i want a popsicle immediately and i just found these new popsicles they're they're not sponsoring me they're just halo tops pineapple popsicles they're so good they're so underrated. I ate a whole box one night, two nights ago. I'm just obsessed with popsicles right now. So I think they're deeply underrated and everyone should be eating popsicles all the time.

That's such a ringing endorsement. Now, are these Halo Pops, are they special? Is there like coconut milk mixed in there or is this just like pure pineapple flavor i think it's just pure pineapple it's like it says like only 40 calories per popsicle and i'm like how how they taste so good how is this possible yeah they're delicious buy some of these i was looking at i don't know rocket pops is doing like some kind of advertisement for a new video game but every time it comes on like and what's the last time like a rocket pop like those things used to rule my summer because that's usually you get whatever is in like the little plastic and they're like blue pink green whatever and they're those are good they're tasty they're cold standbys but if you get a rocket pop you're balling somebody has

paid you to mow their lawn yeah you have gone to a friend's house who's rich and you're just really living high on a rocket like i'm an adult i gotta have one of these whenever i gotta reinvest in my childhood yeah i think i think popsicles maybe is a smaller thing for what i'm really saying is underrated which is like yeah absolutely doing the things as an adult that you wanted to do as a kid and being like i can do this anytime I want to. Eat a whole box of popsicles in a night. Absolutely. Yeah, I did that. Have we been improving on popsicles? Yeah, it seems like we have.

Like the Halo Top pineapple popsicle. Again, Halo Top doesn't, I think they're lying to to us but at least we feel better when we're eating their ice cream and frozen treats there's also Good Pop and they make like a mango chili pop and like a watermelon agave pop and those are also like very good and supposedly

healthier for you Total Wine is making margarita pops and I have just transcended to another earthly plane. They're $18. With the tequila in them? Hold on, let me see. Variety Pack, they're gluten-free, children.

Get rid of that. They got a mango margarita, pineapple, strawberry, and lime. Does contain alcohol. Made with real tequila. Wow. How do you freeze that, though? I don't understand that scientifically. Cut water frozen margarita pops.

I don't know, but I want to purchase these. Every time I've tried to do the homemade popsicles, they don't turn out. They're more icy than I feel like the ones that you buy in the store. I feel like there has to be like some sort of concentrate like it has to be concentrated juice or you know what makes the best homemade pops jack kool-aid kool-aid does but kool-aid i feel like is very watery not if you add extra powder to it so you just go extra yeah yeah you go extra powder to it. So you just go extra. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You go extra hard on it and then you pour them in a Dixie cup. Yeah. Right.

And like maybe about halfway stick your popsicle in, freeze the whole cup and then you just like pop it out of the plastic. It's old school and it's delicious. That sounds good. I'm going to have to do that. Popsicles are great. All right. Well, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based

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iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. And Ted Cruz, I think we've talked, we've checked in with him before on his journey of trying out his catchphrase of kiss my ass. Like there was a point where he said, and my pronouns are kiss my ass, which I think he stole from Roseanne, like a Roseanne standup special. Sounds right. But he's back trying to differentiate himself, make people care what he has to say. Sounds right. of prizes. So seemingly he's in favor of cars mowing down peaceful protesters and also implicitly is a fan of people flying private jets to an event that has a literal orgy dome because that's what

they were protesting as people flying private jets to Burning Man. But somehow that wasn't his cringiest move this week. So recently, the director of the National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism said in an interview that the group could hypothetically one day adopt Canada's recent health guidelines recommending that adults should consume no more than two alcoholic drinks per week. No, Canada did not say you go to jail if you drink more than that. They just said, we would suggest that it is healthier if you drink this much as opposed to more than this much. And then the person fromS. made this just loud,

unwavering statement. He said, I mean, they're not going to go up, I'm pretty sure, with regards to the alcohol guidelines. So if alcohol consumption guidelines go in any direction,

it would probably be toward Canada. And that is what the right has seized on and been like, no, you will take these beers out of our cold, dead hands. Unless it's Bud Light. Unless it's Bud Light, in which case they're cool. But yeah, so then he went on this Newsmax. So he goes on Newsmax and does just the most performative act of beer drinking from anyone that's not a 14 year old at their first house party.

He's just I don't know. He just seems so uncomfortable. And he's like talking shit about how they don't want you to use house fans or ceiling fans. And he's like, and if they want us to drink two beers a week frankly they can kiss my ass and then he cracks open a cold one and then there's like these cowboys behind him did you guys see the video he's like in a barn with like six cowboys standing behind him holding beers also and then when he takes a sip of his beer like they take a sip of their beer but it's like very quiet like they do it all very quietly like nobody makes a sound so it's all

just like solemn like men drinking in a dark room is the vibe which terrifying yeah terrifying and also like probably you know if you're trying to be like, nobody has a drinking problem here. Like just all these guys silently drinking in a dark room, like with just the weirdest vibes ever is probably not not the thing you want to go for but it's clearly alcohol is meant to be consumed quietly with no talking yes and then the anchor is like well haha you you said it ted uh i'm gonna i'm gonna crack a non-alcoholic beer here due to station policy because i'm not allowed to drink alcohol on on air but so that just like made it even more embarrassing and incidentally the canadian guideline classified as a standard drink 12 ounce serving of five percent alcohol beer and he was drinking a scheinerbach which is 4.4 so the beer that he's talking about wouldn't even count as a drink under the canadian guidelines that's amazing yeah i think

ted cruz was having flashbacks to his college days of like trying to get into parties and being roundly rejected and he was like no guys i'm really cool look how i want drink this beer like yeah watch me fit in this is how you do it right watch my fellow kids fellow yeah yeah he's uh that's a character i i like craig mason who some people might know is the showrunner of the last of us he also worked on the hangover movies back in the day was his roommate when ted was a senior and he was a freshman and he's got great stories to still live on twitter if you want to revisit some of ted's crazy college days i've seen this thread where i can't even remember any specifics but just how crazy he was in college was like man there's no way you could accept him

as like a friend or a normal person but maybe if we had he wouldn't be here constantly trying to get acceptance from everybody ted would leave a greasy film on everything. My friend Eric dubbed the substance CRUZ, C-R-U-H-Z, rhymes with scuzz. Now there's CRUZ on my TV. Craig Mazin, January 10th, 2016. More delightful stories like that. Wow.

Yeah, he also made Chernobyl, which was a favorite of ours. Craig Mazin. Oh, yeah, it's a good show. Very good show. All right. Well, just moving down the conservative lineup, we've got Rudy Giuliani.

So we had covered before that he was putting his apartment up for sale. And the price point he's suggesting is $6.5 million. And so no one has bought it yet, probably because, first of all, it's Rudy Giuliani's apartment. So it's like trying to sell a murder house. It might have actually been additive when he was America's mayor, but now things are wildly different, obviously. different obviously but it's it's being listed by the so-called broker to the fallen stars who also had to sell off bernie madoff's penthouse what a title i know it was just this person is like specializes in selling off the homes of people who made their millions in ponzi schemes and now rud Giuliani.

But people are pointing out that it doesn't even make sense. He's asking for way more than it's worth. Another unit in the same building that's basically the same size currently on the market for $2.875 million. And his is on the market for $6.5. Wow. And the last sale in the building was 3.7 does he think that like the celebrity boost yeah we'll put it there that's wild i think it's desperation because he knows he has giant legal fees coming up there's no money coming in from

anywhere everybody who's even halfway intelligent cut off ties with him so there's no i know trump's not helping him apparently he asked for some help trump was like get out of here well trump does not money either so that makes sense right i mean what one theory is that he's actually doing that he's putting his house on the market to like show that he is in financial straits and like can't pay any of his lawyers or whatever and like i think there's like some legal reasons for that. While also like he doesn't want to sell the apartment. And so he's basically putting it on the market at like an irrational, like a completely unreasonable listing.

No one will buy it. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. That's kind of the idea is like that he wants to argue he's like close to broke in order to excuse the fact that he hasn't shared discovery documents in the case brought against him by smartmatic the election technology company that sued him in fox news in 2021 over uh false claims of election fraud and And that like this way, no one will pay in order to have

like verifiable proof that you're broke and therefore immune from certain legal responsibilities. And so in an earlier case, he actually automatically lost his defamation case in which he was sued by two election workers from Georgia for failing to turn over evidence. And in that case, he was also slapped with a $132,000 bill for legal fees. So it's helpful for him to be like, I'm in duress. I can't pay any of this stuff. Please leave me. Leave me alone. Please have pity on me, sir. And it seems like nobody's buying it, essentially. Good. It's nice to see people get what they deserve, even if it's just a little bit.

It's nice. Karma. I'm really, I can't wait to see the behind the scenes of the mugshot. Like how Trump's mugshot came about, but also like what the messaging was to because like rudy seemed to have the same like be tough and like angry face as trump did but like i just want to know like what went into all of those photos because he also looks just like a a corrupt businessman who just got caught and you think

they gave him a three two one countdown or a like smile click yeah heads up or where they're just like and stand here click next be like wait but i because i feel like he would have tried to like i don't know appear less guilty yeah they both looked so guilty he looked really guilty he he was giving off like the subtext of his picture the first word in the subtext of his picture is guilty like he's just like i would have gotten away with it too now i'm like has anyone ever smiled in their mugshot picture oh for sure lindsey lohan oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there's a bunch of like celebrity ladies are constantly like listen you won't catch me with a bad photo i don't care where this is my good side okay now book me

but in that earlier case like the judge literally wrote donning a cloak of victimization may play well on a public stage to certain audiences butning a cloak of victimization may play well on a public stage to certain audiences, but in a court of law, this performance has served only to subvert the normal process of discovery in a straightforward defamation case. And then, you know, found him guilty and charged him $132,000 legal fees. So it's not, I don't, I also don't know, like, what the what the theory is that like someone's going to feel sorry for him that his 6.5 million dollar apartment isn't selling like that doesn't feel like a great strategy for making people like get causing people to feel sympathy for you

yeah listen it's all what else could he possibly try he was like you know uh bad housing markets totally there's some people who could empathize with the the difficulty there because he can't what are you gonna use like his family no his job situation you did that here rich white guy what else you got to sympathize but you try to buy my house that's yeah it's an interesting strategy all right and finally let's talk about the plandemic 2.0 this is a new conspiracy theory you're probably starting to see uh because trump went on a long rant about how left-wing lunatics are trying very hard to bring back COVID lockdowns and mandates specifically to steal the 2024 election, naturally. And yeah, I don't know. This kind of came out, it seemed like he came out of nowhere, but apparently it's been a thing that's going around for a little while. First all i just want to note that under the video that he posted on x like the two stories that they're linking off to

that like disprove his claims are actually like approaching the debunking from the perspective of like actually trump's the one who started the lockdowns which I get the logic of that like that even his even somebody who thinks the pandemic was like a scam will be convinced by that but it does just feel like I don't know I'm I feel like I'm seeing that more and more just the embracing of the logic of like yeah well we didn't need to go that hard and everybody overreacted right like we can all agree on that yeah from folks who seemingly before were like oh no i'm definitely like mask on and stuff it's been weird like a weird turn of events to watch folks be like and i'll never go back again i was just at

a convention i just still can't understand why wearing a mask is seen as such an inconvenience it's so easy it hardly does anything other than make you spell your own breath which you know is nice if it's bad smelling you should know yeah you should you should be aware of what's happening in that area of your body it's also great if you're like on the subway and you're practicing lines for i don't know an off-broadway show you're about to do in a week and you don't want to look like a crazy person you can put a mask on and no one will be the wiser it's great if you're having a bad day looking not great throw a mask on guess what now you're mysterious who's that girl what she's up to yeah it's honestly such a help it's weird it's especially knowing

that the numbers are going up and i really feel like folks are like i'm not going back inside yeah it's very funny that like that's the mindset when it's like the opposition none of us wanted to do this it feels like the argument is like someone's planning this and they want to do this and i'm never going back it's like none of us wanted to do this. It feels like the argument is like someone's planning this and they want to do this and I'm never going back. It's like none of us enjoyed the lockdown. Right. Yeah, that was not. Nobody's like pro pandemic.

But that is like how the argument is being. Exactly. Structured. Yeah. Structured. Is that like we're for. So anyways, they're like the there's been rumblings among right-wing conspiracy theorists for weeks now basically following suggestions from public

health officials that people who are at higher risk may want to wear masks in public following a rise in covid cases and some colleges and companies including the movie studio Lionsgate, even reinstituted mask mandates briefly. They are claiming that like a countrywide lockdown is coming this fall. And, you know, Alex Jones, shockingly, is responsible for this. He's claiming that on August 18th, he claimed that a TSA whistleblower informed him that mask mandates will return in September, followed by a full blown lockdown in December. Called an anonymous Border Patrol agent who confirmed the oddly specific claims and said that we would imminently return to full COVID protocol of 2020, 2021. And then perhaps because this is total bullshit, he also gave himself an out, adding that the lockdown may not actually happen because he had exposed it on the show. Oh, that's why I didn't have it.

Thank you, Alex Jones, for saving us all. Yeah. Another lockdown. Crazy. What a lunatic. I know. But people on social media kind of picked up on his claims, suggesting that the new covid surge was somehow connected to trump's indictments so this this is like the social media brain malfunction where like everything

like there's you just assume like everything is happening to the two this like only two or three people that you're able to it's like main character syndrome of like following world events we're like oh well because kovats going back up that must be related to trump being indicted like you just want to connect the dots on things that have nothing to do with one another because your brain is only so big and can only, you know, hold so much information. Oh, man. I don't even know what to say about, like, these conspiracy theorists who think, one, anyone is controlling the spread of a pandemic. Do you know how it would be so epic if somebody could?

They're like, okay, date's coming up. I'm going to drop the pandemic right here in the same way I would drop a music video. I'm going to make sure this many people get it so that we go into lockdown. There's just no possible conceivable way to start time releasing a pandemic or a disease. And then on top of that, to then think, how does this help and or hurt Trump? Like the math is a math thing. Like either we are inside or we're not i don't know what effect that has on on whatever trump is going other than maybe it would delay his trial for a little bit right yeah yeah i think the main thing that is challenge is a challenge for trump is that he is like the most indicted human being in the history of the United States.

Right. Is also trying to run for president while dealing with that. The hubris on that guy. Amazing. It's wild. Wild. And pay the bail bondsman too. Right. Yeah. Steve Bannon's

podcast co-host Natalie Winters went viral for posting out of context screenshots of Department of Veterans Affairs purchase orders suggesting that it was proof that the U.S. government was buying up equipment for a planned pandemic. which is like to put it in perspective like they spent i think four trillion dollars on the pandemic like across all all of the different things that they had to invest in okay girl i wish i could just post whatever and be fine with it i know that's that's what they've discovered truly yeah truly they're like the truth is suggestive write whatever the fuck you want and it will be so and then so just like it's a it's a good study in how these stories kind of happen because then you know it's it becomes this thing where it's like all these dumb little like one person pointed to a suburban target store

was putting in more pickup only spots in their parking lot and like so it's like all these ridiculous statements being made on various outlets but then the daily telegraph published a op-ed warning about biden's lockdown plot citing citing Biden administration's buying COVID equipment and hiring pandemic safety protocol officers, not to mention the return of the mask mandates at the Lionsgate Film Studios in Los Angeles. So it's like that's how they launder their bullshit from, you know, a couple of Twitter posts and, you know, what Steve Bannon's co-host says to being in an op-ed as like and this is evidence i like that they were like target's putting in more spots it must be in the pandemic

so listen target do that because it's so easy to order online and then you're not tempted to order inside target this target delivery slash pickup is one of the greatest inventions ever no more are you perusing the aisles getting lost in pillows you definitely don't need 12 more of you can just order and then they bring it to you and then you can go home with the money you intended to spend it's still in your pocket uh it's beautiful i promise it's not a sign of forthcoming pandemic lockdown but nice try it does feel like it probably loses target money though because then you're not spending that money on 10 pillows you don't need it probably hurts target a little bit but also i'm consistently coming back so i don't there you go yeah it lowers the friction

that's what they call like the difficulty of buying something if you just like go hit the button show up and someone arrives and puts it in the back of your car i will say whatever ai is operating their system to you has gotten pretty good at being like hey this is on sale you could just add this to your cart right yeah well that's the other thing like they they've perfected like the ai and the you know web design and all the things for like our little Skinner box, you know, smartphones that we all live, basically live inside so that they can sell you more. And actually that's what our next story is about, which is kind of the reason that Taco Bell

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iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. And just a few things I wanted to hit. So, like, there is this one experiment where they figured out people who were particularly susceptible to placebos. And they then like during the course of a experiment gave them a thing that like blocked the opioid receptors in the brain and the placebo effect cut off. Which means that's so cool. I mean, it's that's super weird. Yeah, it's weird, but it's basically it makes sense when you realize when you think about

the fact that like the brain is like its own pharmacy, it's creating the dopamine, you know, the like ADD medication and stuff like that, or, you know, they're illegal drugs that cause your brain to like make more dopamine to like make you feel even better. But your brain is creating its own dopamine on its own schedule. My brain is my favorite dealer. Yeah, your brain is its own like drug dealer slash pharmacist. And, you know, then doctors get involved when, like, it's not doing the job that it needs to do. But, you know, what is happening in, like, this study would suggest that what's happening when people experience the placebo effect is that your brain is producing

the actual chemical that the medication is supposed to be producing. It just didn't need the medication to actually be in the pill to get you to get like, oh, yeah, my body and brain can just make these medications for me. it being able to get the effect of a placebo is not that like you are stupid or gullible there's like a study on seeing like oh are people who are easily hypnotized also like susceptible to placebo and there was no connection there either it just seems to be a thing that like affects almost everyone in terms of being able to you know benefit or suffer from the placebo or nocebo effect. Yeah. We understand so little of this because, listening to what you guys say, think about how difficult it is to study this and how difficult it is to set up an effective trial this and how difficult it is to set up an effective trial that perfectly filters out every possibly confounding thing that could be some form of placebo or nocebo effect.

This is why our mental health medications have barely improved in the last 50 years or something like that. It is unbelievably difficult to nail down the effectiveness of something like an antidepressant or an anti-anxiety. Because, again, placebos work really well for anxiety. When you have somebody telling you, well, my anti-anxiety pills, I go work in my garden. They're not lying. Like repetitive motion, exercise, sunlight, those are physical things that affect all of those biological reactions to anxiety. They're not being a hippie. And, you know, I don't, you sound like a Scientologist

who start ranting about how ineffective these medications are. But the truth is, you get about 75% of the same effect from a placebo for mild depression. Because, of course you do. You know, if you've got some whatever fancy tea that's supposed to calm you down, just the ceremony of making it. Yeah, boner tea. Let's not miss words. The ceremony of making it, sitting down, drinking something hot, drinking it slowly. There's, yeah, that can have most of the effect of a medication without the terrible side effects. The issue is that is such an incredibly dangerous thing for people to hear because some people who have very severe symptoms who definitely need prescription medication, they tend to be the ones who's like, see, I don't need that voodoo.

And she's like, see, I don't need that voodoo. It is incredibly difficult to nail down the effectiveness of any of these. Because as you just said, we even now have doubts about exactly what's placebo and what's just no treatment at all. Depression is just like a lot of those things we mentioned earlier. It gets better. And think about all the factors in a person's life that can improve their mood. It's like, well, yeah, three months on these sugar pills and my depression went away.

Also, I got a different job and the boss that terrorized me is no longer in my life. And also my chronic knee injury stopped hurting so I didn't have the chronic pain weighing on me. It's like, which of the four million factors in a human life caused your depression to go away? And us people who to sound smart, who like to say, well, it's all just brain chemicals. It's all just serotonin or whatever.

That is boiling it down at the simplifying it so much as to make it wrong. Right. Right. what your life is like, what you're eating, what you're doing, what you're thinking, all these things just kind of like form this like cyclone that can really affect your state of mind. It's also really difficult with the studies on medication for like, say, depression, anxiety, etc. Because the like, everyone's brain is very different different so the heterogeneity effects in these studies are just very hard to compensate for like a medication that works really well for someone may not work at all for another person even though they both have depression because one person's depression and another person's depression, it's not like

a, you know, simple, like disease. It's not like a broken bone where it's like, okay, you can kind of like the procedure for healing a broken bone for one person, another person is generally somewhat similar. But for something like depression, it's like you're're you have a totally different thing going on from one person to the next, given how complicated the brain is, and how like, broad spectrum, something like depression is in terms of what's causing it, what's going on. And I mean, the same can be said for a lot of like, non psychological disorders as well. Like there are a lot of diseases where it's like, well, treatment for one person seems to work, but for another person does not work at all because their bodies are different and their systems are different. So it's like a huge challenge in medicine.

Even if they were genetically the same, which they're not, are their diets different? Are their sleep patterns different? Is their home life different? Is their social lives different? Do they have different numbers of friends? All those things can impact how your brain works. Exactly. I mean, your brain structure changes over time based on your environment. It's not like you're born sort of with a baby brain and then it goes like it's genetically programmed to turn into an adult brain. Like you're born with the very plastic brain that responds incredibly sensitively to your environment and what happens to you yeah the two examples that jumped out to me this time doing the research like on the on the side of like just a straightforward placebo effect

like this is a pill causing you to do causing your body to do a thing it's still like the cut the pill color thing is still like so mind-blowing to me like they gave a group of medical students two new drugs one a sedative and the other stimulant and like they were given either one or two blue or pink tablets and the tablets were all inert they were sugar pills but the students responses on a questionnaire indicated the red tablets or pink tablets tended to act as stimulants while the blue ones acted as depressants and two tablets had more effect than one and it's not it doesn't really make sense but like you you can't boil it down to anything that is like happening other than with like meaning like pink or red means like hot or danger and blue means like cool and quiet and

right blue means cool ranch doritos red means flaming hot nacho cheese yeah exactly and that's why i wake up to get wake up in the morning i eat nacho cheese and to go to bed at night. I eat Cool Ranch. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I can give you an example even without an experiment. I know people who will drink an espresso or drink an energy drink. And while they're drinking it, we'll talk about how wired they are. Like, oh, my gosh, it's hitting me.

Well, it takes 45 minutes for caffeine to enter the bloodstream. Yeah. That's you. You drinking the Red Bull and after two gulps is like, oh my gosh, I can feel it hitting me. It's like you didn't inject it into your vein. You drank it. It has to be absorbed into your system.

But that's placebo effect. And if you felt it that soon, you just told yourself. So think about, did you need the energy drink at all? If you can talk yourself into bouncing off the walls because you thought that, oh my gosh, the whole 80 whole milligrams of caffeine has slammed into my system, which by the way, it's not very much. with a big, loud, stupid name like C4 Bomsicle, and it's got like a stick of dynamite on it,

I think that helps the placebo effect. I think you drink a big bombastic can of something, it's like, man, this is going to hit me like a freight train. I think it could be decaf, and I think it would hit you mostly the same way. Yeah. I want an energy drink that's just called brain boner juice. Your brain is going gonna fuck so hard and then the the other example that's kind of in the other direction was they looked at the cause of death between

chinese americans and randomly selected group of white people in California. And it was found that Chinese Americans, but not the white people, will die significantly earlier than normal if they have a combination of disease and birth year, which Chinese astrology and medicine consider ill-fated. And so it's, you know, Chinese Americans whose deaths were attributed to lymphatic cancer and if they were born in earth years and consequently were deemed by Chinese

medicine, like especially susceptible to diseases involving lumps, not nodules or tumors, had an average death age like four years younger than people who were not born in one of those years. And no such difference existed among the group of white people. So it's just, and that was true across, I don't know the ins and outs of what Chinese medicine believes and like what the different year meanings are. But like, it just, it feels like very strongly determined by like meaning and like the stories that we tell ourselves about ourselves and that like we like exist within. And so I don't know.

It's, I find that one like kind of hopeful in a way because like you can, I don't know. I find that one kind of hopeful in a way because you can, I don't know, tell yourself stories and sort of free yourself from some of the stories that we tell ourselves that can be damaging about ourselves. There was also a study where they told people the truth. They were like, this is a placebo effect study. And the truth is that like placebo effects have been shown to like help people and like that it had clear like positive results just by being honest which i i always thought like an important part of the placebo effect would be the lying but apparently not which doesn't really make sense to me.

But like, like rituals, I think can really have a strong effect. Like you put the pill in your mouth and you swallow the water. And even if you know it's a placebo, you've still done the ritual in your body. You may still have sort of this like connection to the ritual and feeling better. So it's, you know, it's like, if you've ever found like a calming routine, like some kind of meditation routine or calming routine that you do, like once you sort of get into the typical position that you're in that it's like, well, I start listening to music, I sit on the couch or something, once you practice it and do it a bunch, it works better,

like meditation or calming yourself down, like works better once you've practiced it because once you start to do it you make the association between like well once i when i light this candle or listen to this music i start to feel calm and then it's like even though you know it's not like medicine yeah you've come to associate the ritual with feeling better. But yeah, with the with the study on like the the Zodiac or wait, is it Zodiac? Yeah, the Chinese medicine like, right. It's it makes me think about when we when someone has a disease, and they're given a timeframe for like how much longer they have to live. I've always had mixed feelings about that because on one hand, I think it's good, right, to like prepare people for like, hey, you know, you have terminal cancer,

so you might want to like prepare and get your affairs in order and all this. But having a timeframe in a way also seems like you are kind of potentially negating any kind of like placebo effect of like, well, if I can, like, you know, like, maybe this thing will kill me eventually. But then if you feel like, well, I'm definitely going to die in like, a year or X months, I wonder if that has an effect on like, how long you actually have. It's not to say that the diagnosis is incorrect or that something like terminal cancer, you can just think your way out of, but there is something on the margins in terms of like how healthy you are and continue to be based on your mind frame, right? So it's like, I don't think you could beat a terminal diagnosis

through some kind of placebo effect, but I could imagine your quality of life and your length of time left could be affected by whether you feel completely doomed or not within a certain period of time. Right. I think you stumbled on a big, big thing in our society, which is, for example, to me, it is not surprising at all that yoga cures all sorts of things.

You're stretching, you've got a room that's either silent or with white noise or with music. It's something you often do in a group or a bunch of people all doing something in sync. You know, we humans are social animals. That has its own benefit. It does not surprise me that that helps cure all sorts of things. None of us stretch enough. And just, and it's also, it's exertion. You know, it's very strenuous.

If you've never done yoga before, it will kick your ass. You don't, it's not just stretching. Like, it's holding difficult positions. But part of yoga is that there's a religion around it, basically. And it's all of this stuff that I know is unscientific about, well, this stretch will release any financial stress in your life because financial anxiety tends to store in your hips. hips. You've got to realign your chakra. The mystical, spiritual energies and the body thetans have to be released through your spine. So the question is, does the mythology make it work

better? And once you apply it, think about yoga, you think about all of the other things in society where we tell people a story to get them to behave a certain way. And the story is not true, but it is effective at healing that we're making them healthier. And what are the ethics of that? Because, for example, it is my understanding that studies have consistently found that placebos work better when they are expensive. Yeah.

Because you don't want to feel like you wasted your money. So the ethics of selling somebody a powder of ground-up shark bones or something, and this is going to cure your anxiety, and it's like, well, actually, people don't just buy it once. They buy it for years because they swear by it. It works, yeah. I would like to accuse those people of being thieves, but are they? We should start, like, making it not like shark bones and

stuff because sharks are endangered in some cases and it's bad but like animals that we hate we should make up stories about their bones and blood and stuff being good like hey ground up mosquitoes are an aphrodisiac because like who cares they kill a bunch of mosquitoes or like an invasive species of like you know like hey the crown of the crown of thorns starfish you know they're invasive but if you grind them up it'll give you a boner like uh let's let's uh let's like let's start making uh shitty animals the ones that we turn into medicine yeah i. I think a lot of supplements are mostly sawdust, by the way. Like when they test what's actually in there, they're like, oh, this is... Oh, yes.

Yeah. Things like, because it's not regulated, it doesn't have to go through the FDA. And because it also doesn't do anything, so who cares? But if you buy St. John's wort or ginseng or any of that stuff, you'll often find that the amount in a pill is somewhere between 10% or 400% of what it says in the label because they're not being precise about it because you can't overdose on it because it's just an herb or whatever. Yeah. It's also just like medicine is a relatively new science. I know we think of it as being very old, but it wasn't that long ago that we were like

cutting holes in people's skulls and thinking that would like take the demons out and it did sometimes and it's sometimes trepanning sometimes worked yeah it's not to say you know like i i don't think any of us well i don't want to speak for anyone but i don't think any of us, well, I don't want to speak for anyone, but I don't think any of us believes that like, medicine is BS. Like, I think, you know, if your doctor is like, hey, you need treatment for this thing, you shouldn't be like, yeah, right, jerk. Like there are, like medicine, modern medicine is pretty incredible in terms of how it actually like we have actually figured out how certain proteins interlock with other proteins and that affects your body. And that's incredible. But it's also, I think, there's this separation of like, all right, here's the real hard physical medicine. And then the mind stuff,

which is just kind of like, you know, like a hippy dippy brain stuff it's not real and i think that's i think that's a big problem like i think that a lot of things could be accomplished if we kind of didn't have this disconnect between like the body's health the like the the body and the brain and this like separation of like, well, there's real medicine. And then there's like, you know, like just sort of mind over matter, you know, silly stuff. And I think combining the power of modern medical advancement and the understanding of how the brain impacts the body can help in a lot of ways, like, you know,

preventing like over medicalization of things, but also treatment of things that do need medicine, but could also use like the idea that, you know, you treat just the thing that's happening in the body without addressing sort of the psychological impacts I think is kind of limited. I also think we have unrealistic expectations of medicine compared to where we are. We think everything should be able to have an instant diagnosis.

Here's what it is. Here's the pill that fixes it, including things that are like, well, I'm fatigued all the time. It's like, well, what else do you have going on in your life? It's like, wow, I work three jobs and I have a big life. It's like, I need you to give me a pill that will make my fatigue go away. Or, you know, ask any therapist and they will have the patient. And it's like, I'm depressed. I need the treatment for depression. It's like, oh, when did your depression start approximately? It's like, well, when my wife died. And then my dog died six months later. And then I lost my job because of my, I was so sad about my wife dying, and now I got kicked out of my apartment.

And it's like, okay, your life is a disaster. You want a pill that will, and I think that, you know, it's not, it's stupid to say we have too much faith in science. It is unfair to ask a pill to fix that. You have a long mountain to climb of getting things back in your – but your body is telling you, you know, man, this sucks. It's not because your brain's producing too much of a chemical. It's because your life is a disaster. It just is.

Your life is not as good as it was before. is. Your life is not as good as it was before. So it is, part of it is, it's funny because you have part of the population who refuses to believe in science or vaccines, but then you have another part of the population that, for example, thought that the moment they invent a vaccine for a disease that it just vanishes

overnight. It's like, the truth is, these are inventions by humans. They're not magic. They're miraculous in a sense compared to what we were able to do 300 years ago. But no, sometimes you're going to go to the doctor and the doctor's going to say, we don't have a way to fix this yet. And usually patients do not take that as an answer. They demand to walk out of there with a prescription. And lots of times,

they just gave you something to make you go away. Because it's like, we don't know how to fix this yet. It's just, that's the situation. I've literally felt, oh man, I'm so fatigued. Am I sick? And then I realize it's nighttime, it's bedtime. I have to go to sleep. I'm like, oh God, am I coming down with something? It's like, well, no, it's midnight and I should go to bed.

This nighttime fatigue disorder. I did the normal thing where I looked at my it's midnight and I should go to bed. This is nighttime fatigue disorder. I did the normal thing where I looked at my phone for four hours after I went to bed and I woke up the next morning feeling like crap. I'm coming down with something. Right. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

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