The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 296 (Best of 10/16/23-10/20/23)

Episode Date: October 22, 2023

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Miles, we are thrilled to be joined by an acclaimed wildlife ecologist and conservationist who specializes in researching how human activity influences the behavior of wild animals. She's a TV host and the host of the PBS nature podcast going wild with Dr. Ray Wayne grant, which makes sense because she is Dr. Ray Wayne. Great. I'm here. I'm here.

Welcome back. My favorite place to be. Oh, come on now. Come on now. Really? So many memories. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We loved having you last time. And we're like, now that we're talking to experts let's talk to it let's really dig talk to a real expert yeah let's spend some time doing some research and like just you know really square up make ourselves seem extremely smart and that's what we're doing we put miles and i put our brains together and have put together a list of some of the hardest hitting science

based, deeply researched science based questions in your area of expertise. This is like my oral exams all over again. Yeah, yeah, it is. Exactly. This is on and it's going to be on the record. Right. Right. Right.

Stakes are high. Yeah. Incredibly high. So we're going to get on the record. Right. Right. Stakes are high. Yeah. Incredibly high. So we're going to get to that in a moment. But before we do, we still like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are or what you're up to? Oh, well, I have something. I hope this can kind of be the great equalizer, perhaps, because I'm a scientist. I'm an environmental scientist, a wildlife ecologist.

I have all this expertise. And yet every so often I have to Google like the simpler things just to make sure that I'm explaining it correctly. So two weeks ago I was with a film crew. I'm filming a television show. It's called Wild Kingdom. It's great. You can watch it. It's on NBC streaming on Peacock. And I was with the crew and we were in a place, I mean,

you know, you gotta sneak it in. We were in Texas or in central Texas in a place that has dinosaur footprints, right? Like this part of central Texas used used to be an ocean and then at the point that there were these dinosaurs it was like more of a swamp and they sunk their giant feet into the mud and then it just like there was a drought and they just solidified and they're still there it's amazing so i'm talking to the crew about dinosaurs this is just like rural central texas too and somehow we got into the topic of fossil fuels. And one of the producers on the show didn't know where fossil fuels came from. Like she didn't understand the word fossil.

That's part of fossil fuels. So fossil fuels are like, you know, the gas you put in your car is a type of fossil fuel, right? Right. It's what's contributing to climate change. And so I was explaining to her like, girl, yeah, it's when dinosaurs lived and then they died, their bodies decomposed and sunk into the earth. But because it's been millions of years, those decomposed dinosaur bodies have liquefied because it's so hot down there and turned into essentially like oil that we drill up and use to put in our cars and use to, you know, power stuff. And we've, you know, contaminated the whole atmosphere because of it. And her mind was blown to the point that I started getting like a little bit concerned. Is that right? So what we would sometimes call fossils, those slowly over a course of long decomposition became fuel?

So let me just say I was right. I mean, I had to Google it because I was like, I mean, I study living animals, not the dead ones. But I mean, but that is accurate, right? So fossil fuels, like scientists throw that term around, politicians throw it around, but it's literally fossils. We have them because it's decomposed dinosaurs from under the earth. So like the gas you put in your car is dinosaur body gas that we drive and it combusts and you know, makes it go.

Always dinosaur body? Like it's not, it's not like plant body or something? It's not plants. It's like decomposed animal matter. So it's like dinosaurs. It's like all those old crustaceans. I mean, it's a bunch of stuff that used to live. One day, humans will be that same liquefied substance and people could use us to power stuff.

How come Wikipedia is saying it's plants? From oil to oil. Why does Wikipedia say it's plants? Are they wrong? I think it's like they might be, or I might be wrong, but I believe it's like if it's plants, it's from those ancient oceans, right?

Right, right. Not like the grass that died. It's like ancient, if anything. It's all prehistoric from before there were people to take down the data of how it all started and what decomposed. It's just like organic matter but it's a lot of it is like really big animals like dinosaurs that die okay so i have to apologize

their bodies i have to apologize to the listeners i've been calling fossil fuels dinosaur farts that we're just cooking dinosaur farts for our guests so i cooking them i always said i said yeah what is that even cooking farts yeah yeah yeah we're cooking them to get our cars started but yes it's the bodies not the fart i mean i feel like that's like clickbaity enough like a lot of people you know you just hear this word over and over and you're just like i guess that just means like dirty gases that go into the atmosphere but it's like really i mean it was interesting to make the connection while looking at a dinosaur footprint and like marveling at it to be like oh i interact with dinosaurs all the time right and you're also like you will have your comeuppance dinosaurs you

will help destroy our you remain relevant yeah dinosaur fart to dinosaur fart, as the Bible says. Yeah. My I have my how I would have searched that. What you were just talking about is how dinosaurs footprints Texas, because I only talk to Google and the dumbest phrases. rose texas if you ever go there you'll be astonished because there are legit huge dinosaur footprints like and it's just there's just out in the in the community it's just it's this rural rural part of central texas that is like you know kind of oh do they have like like dinosaur statues there too and stuff they have the other big statues like off the highway kind of statues but it is the country like it is like it is not urban it is a wild place but it's just very accessible so let me just say the dinosaur footprints are super accessible you just like kind of walk upon them really i'm looking at a picture from the smithsonian magazine and it has the dinosaur footprints and then to make sure you know that

it's Texas, somebody just dropped a cowboy hat on top of them. For scale? Yeah. For scale. Gotta do that. Cowboy hat for scale. Yeah. How many cowboy hats tall are you, Jack, if we're doing the Texas measurement? That's right. Joe, what's something you think is overrated?

Las Vegas. Overrated. A lot of friends who... Las Vegas is a destination. First time I went, I was like, I cannot believe how much of a scam this openly is. They're really not hiding it. They're selling the high roller lifestyle to people who can't afford it.

And those people are lapping it up like dogs. And it's really, it almost doesn't even feel like deception because it's all there. All the information is there. You will go and you will lose a ton of money with the promise, with the very American promise that you could get rich buying into this system that is built specifically to take everything you have. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it. I love it.

Luck be elated tonight. Hey! You're not going to win with that attitude, Joey. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you. You got to lose 300 to make 300. You know what I mean? You got to lose money to make money. You got to I mean? You got to lose money to make money.

You got to lose your child. If you're tapping out at 200, you never were in the game, pal. You got to lose your children's entire college fund to make children's college fund. Every degenerate gambler told me at a blackjack table, they're like, hey, you leaving already? And I'm like, yeah, dude, I'm broke. They're like, you got to lose at least 300 to start winning. I'm like, that sounds fucking wild, dude. Like, I think I was like reckless even cashing in like 100 bucks here. voice but you go into a casino and there's there's nothing classy about it it's just like a bunch of flashing lights uh everything is like a giant iphone you know it's yeah you don't giant

iphones that take your money yeah these like huge screens where at least i don't know maybe at one point there was a charm and you can still like pull a lever if you want, but most of it is digital. Yeah. Just gaudy and not like you kind of want. I mean, I would want like, oh, let's get a little bit, a little bit of velvet, a little this. And maybe you get that some places. But for the most part, it's all just really yellow and gross. Yeah. It's so funny. Like I have such a I used to go there a lot when I was younger, you know, because I was just kind of into like, you know, a lot of my friends are just into that.

Like, let's go, go in Vegas, man. Right. And then I hadn't gone for a few years. And then Jack and I recently went over the summer to go see like the NBA summer league. And it was like surreal where like, I was feeling like I was watching like an old part of myself die while I was there. And also seeing like a new future for us. Like I was like, wait,

these smells like I used to be blacked out in these lobbies, like not knowing what was going on. And now I'm like, uh, it feels a little different. I just, is it an underage drinking destination? Like when you live three hours from it?

Cause like I, when I was in high school, I drove to from Boston to Montreal to drink to drink oh to get fucked up wow yeah nah i mean that's how bad my problem was it was just like to joe's point like it was like i was on that mirage shit where i'm like let's go to vegas now i only have circus circus money so like to stay there so like for sure i'm place i'm gonna stay is so fucked up that I'm just going to be so fucked up that I don't have to go back to that room until like four in the morning.

Right. And, but at the same time, like I was always like feeling myself when I was there because I was putting so much like weight into like partying in Vegas and stuff. Uh, got it. Yeah.

Yeah. Hey, but you can drive a Lambo out there and shoot a fucking machine gun. So, yeah. You know, that's all that matters. Got me right back.

That's all I want to do when I wake up in the morning. I wake up quaking with just a desire to shoot a machine gun out of the window of a Lambo. Drive by and go. Yeah. Gabe, what's something you think is underrated? All right. I'm very passionate about this because sushi is expensive everywhere. There's a 24-hour grocery store next to my apartment that for like six bucks,

you can get a sushi roll and it is just powering my whole life. So grocery store sushi when it's good under. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you can get it like there's a there's a local market that I'm surprised sells sushi. But it seems like they have a business where like this sushi company owns the refrigerator case that they're just asking the market to have in there. So I found out when they come drop the shit. And so the times I've gone for the drop and I'm like, oh, yeah, this is fucking this is great for fucking seven bucks. Absolutely.

I knew it was good when they started to use that health food store as like a sham restaurant on Grubhub where you can buy sushi and you don't know. I'm like, oh, they think they're a whole restaurant. Hell yeah. I love outing a good ghost restaurant. That's always my favorite. Remember during the pandemic, it was Chuck E. Cheese. They changed the name.

They were like Ray's Famous. It was just a Chuck E. Cheese oven. Chris is hot chicken and you just it's like this is Denny's yeah yeah what the fuck yeah there was a few different ones that everyone yeah everyone just was like

Pasquale's that's what it was Pasquale's pizza wings yes exactly well done Pasquale yeah man the other thing though too if you got an Asian market nearby or like someone has like Yes. Exactly. Well done. Well done. Yeah, man. That's... The other thing, though, too, if you got an Asian market nearby

or, like, someone has, like, a good fishmonger, you could save money buying sashimi-grade fish and just buy your own microwave rice and put a little bit of sushi... Like, buy yourself some sushi seasoning vinegar

for your rice. Do the microwave pack. And you could buy a fucking big- ass piece of fresh salmon for fucking like six seven bucks by my house and i'm like bro just slice this up shit fuck sugar fish i love that tiktok guy the sushi guy he goes to costco and buys a big piece of salmon and just turns it into sushi oh breaks it down oh yeah you gotta do that i'd be afraid of the you know parasites yeah he explains all that.

He explains that they're in there. You'll be good. No, you just take pills for that. They eat the pills for the rest of your life. Just take iodine. You'll be fine. You'll be fine. You'll be fine.

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No, but we do believe. We don't think COVID was caused by 5G. Okay, speak for yourself. Speak for yourself. We don't think vaccines killed every by 5G. Okay, speak for yourself. Speak for yourself. We don't think vaccines killed every celebrity who has died since 2019. Since before the pandemic. Yeah. Okay, that's good. That's good. But good, solid take. So I guess you'll be shocked to know Miles is not a scientist, but I am also not a scientist.

not a scientist, but I am also not a scientist. How do you think about communicating as a scientist to non-scientists? Like how strategic are you when communicating with, with those of us who may not, I'm not going to confirm that I don't have a PhD in the science. Well, look, I think getting, I, I'm on Reddit r slash science. So I think I have a good grasp on things. But yes, how how would you in a world of contentious information? What's what's it like? What do you do? You know, you know, I got to say, I got to say that I work really hard at it. And I am also gifted with a type of science that I do that is highly visual, right?

Like there are like chemists out there, people who study like microorganisms, that it's harder for them to show the science as they're doing it, right? Or it might not be as interesting to look at. But I study large animals. I study large carnivores, bears and lions and mountain lions and wolves. And, and the science behind setting them might be very technical or like, you know, very mathy or very analytical, but kind of the basics of it are fun to look at and highly engaging. So I just, I get that benefit just automatically that like people might tune in. If I show like a hibernating bear, there's a huge science behind that, but the visual also speaks volumes.

So there's that. And then I also want to just shout out how identity plays a huge role into how I approach science communication. And I even think how I got into it because as a, you know, I almost said a young Black woman, but I should correct that. As a millennial. No, no, we're still young. We're still young. That used to mean young.

As a millennial Black woman, I always was a part of my community, right? Like my professional community was always so different from my personal, my my, you know, social community. And because of that, I was always telling stories about what I was doing to my community, which is predominantly black women my own age. Right. Or maybe their brothers and their husbands or their boyfriends or, you know, my family. because there was such a disconnect between like ecologists and the people I spend my free time with, without really trying, without being purposeful, I would talk a lot about what I do or where I'd been or why I was going these places or the cool stuff that I found. And so I found that just naturally storytelling or just science communication became a thing. And then, of course, I was also like growing up, I was such a nerd. So imagine me in college, I went to college in Atlanta and there was this wonderful black community. And I was the girl who was like obsessed with recycling, right? Like environmental health,

like picking up litter. I was the recycling coordinator for my dorm. Right. And so I was also that person, no matter what my identity was, that was like knocking on people's dorm rooms and being like, it's recycling day. Like bring me all of your bottles of 99 bananas or whatever. No, I'm collecting them. I put them up on my pyramid out of my gray goose bottles. So they know I at one point could afford I have class yeah so so I think that in so many of the ways that I've been involved in science there's been also a practice to it that you can see right you can see someone collecting recycling right but there's like a science behind why that's important and how it works and you can see someone like hiking in the wilderness

looking for a bear and there's a science behind that. So, you know, I think that I might've been super challenged in other ways, but I've just had this amazing benefit of what I do or what I care about and how visual it is and how a person can kind of symbolize a lot of that. And so I haven't struggled too much. You know, I do get like, I do get the like comments on Facebook. I got, I recently got an email through my website about someone like kind of threatening me to tell a story the right way. Right. It was really interesting. What does that mean? There's a bird called the Atwater Prairie Chicken in central Texas. It's a highly highly endangered bird it has this terrible name because the word chicken is in it right but it's actually one of these like remarkable birds in the

sage grouse family so it has these like yellow cheeks that puff up really big and they do like one of those mating dances that you'd see on all the natural history shows it's like an incredible bird and this guy sent an email and he was like, you better, like, if your show does a story on the Atwater prairie chicken, you better do it right. Because so many other people have done it wrong. You know, it's one of those things that I was like, you don't even know what we're doing. You know, like, like, there's no context here. But he was like, threatening me, like little old me about this prairie chicken, you know? And so it's just very interesting that I do get people who don't like my communication. You know, I do get people who find problems in it,

usually for no good reason. Sure. But I don't get a lot of deniers when it comes to what I'm communicating. And that is special. To continue down this, because I think this is, that's relevant, right? Because we're such in an era too, where it's people are like, I got to see it to believe it for a lot of

scientific stuff. Like they're like, I don't know how a vaccine works. And like, and I remember like the, like, like, what was it? The CDC is like, here's a fucking video, man. Yeah. I'm not going to watch that. That's fucking nonsense. But like for things that are measurable, right? And like for people like if seeing is believing a lot of times, how I guess in that sense, how are you seeing climate change? Because this is another thing that people are like, it's cold today. Therefore, like, fine, shut up. But how are you seeing that sort of manifest in the physical world that of like these environments of the species that you study? Because that's one thing, like, obviously, you're not like an atmospheric scientist, but you very much do understand how climate is impacting animals.

So in that sense, how are you seeing this play out like at that scale? Because I'm sure that's indicative to like the sort of chain reaction that could happen with our environmental systems. Right. And, you know, it's really interesting that you bring that up because I kind of want to put this disclaimer out that climate change impacts wild animals tremendously in a way that's not OK. But I think that we need to solve the issues of climate change to help people first. You know, there's a lot of people who kind of care more about animals and people or they might be more convinced to care if there's an animal story rather than a like, oh, people in this developing nation are suffering kind of story.

But do you see how emaciated their dogs are? Exactly. No, exactly. Exactly. So I always want to point out, like, I live and breathe wild animals every day. I've dedicated my life to saving them and keeping them on this planet. And I think people are more important and urgently need saving, right? Because climate change is devastating entire communities of people right now. With that said, bears, right? Bears are a perfect example. I've been studying bears for 13 years, and we're seeing how climate change is impacting all different

kinds of bears. So one of the things that we love about bears, as like Americans, is that they hibernate in the winter. It gets cold, and they go into their den, and they hibernate. They sleep for, you know, two, four, six months at a time. Well, they actually need all kinds of environmental cues to enter hibernation. Right. So it's not like they just like look at a calendar and say like, oh, my gosh, it's November 15th. It's the solstice. Yeah. Time to go.

Right. It's like their ecosystem has to signal to them winter is coming. The temperature drops, maybe precipitation increases, maybe get some snow. Right. The trees stop producing food. The other animal species they eat, whether it's fish or deer, go away. Everyone is locking down and there's nothing to eat. That's when bears chemical balance changes and hibernation starts. Their metabolism slows down, right? That's like body chemistry within them. But that's not going to work if it stays warm, right? If the trees keep producing, if the bunny rabbits keep hopping

around, that doesn't happen. So in some of the places that I've studied black bears, in the western United States, there have been these winters recently where the temperature hasn't dropped and the snow hasn't fallen until like February. And so the bears have remained active. But then when February comes and in one week, it's, you know, three months of snow and everything shuts down, they're not hibernating already. Their bodies haven't gotten into that hibernation state. They might not be able to get there in time and they may starve or they may freeze to death or they may die. Or they may come into your garage and look for a

warm place and some food. So we're finding that climate change not only impacts like the bear's perception of what season it is and whether or not it's time to hibernate, but it could also increase conflicts with people. Right. Because they kind of freak out. They're like, all I need is some food. It was available last week. It's not this week. So where can I find it in your trash can? And that is also a problem. It's got to be hard just like on their natural, like if they're not getting the rest that they had in the past, right? Like that doesn't that affect them? You know, it's it. Are they cranky? They are cranky. Bears are a lot like us. They just aren't. They're hungry. They have they're hangry. I should say. I need my three months of sleep in the winter. They're hangry. Like, as do I. There are bears in warm places where they never hibernate. So there are bears in Florida, right? Like in the Everglades, it's swampy, it's warm, and they don't hibernate in the winter.

But let me clarify that setting up a hibernation den is the most important and the most critical for surviving periods where there's no food. Right. So like classic winter when there's no food and female bears give birth in hibernation. They need to set up a hibernation den. They need to slow down their metabolism. They need to go into a hibernation state in order to give birth. Because when they do, they give birth every January. into a hibernation state in order to give birth.

Because when they do, they give birth every January. Every bear that's ever lived in the history of North American bears has given birth in January. Every single one. It's the most, it's like my favorite fact. I'm going to have to fact check that. Fact check it. No, go. Like you have my, you have my permission.

They're born in January. Let me call Tim Ferriss really quick. Do they realize how much better they'd get at hockey if they were born a little bit later? Oh, just slightly later. Oh, wow. You're really going to Malcolm Gladwell, aren't you? Yeah, yeah. When I was doing my PhD research in the Lake Tahoe area on black bears, we would just give every bear a January 1st birthday.

And it was less about when they were born and more about what year, Right. As opposed to like what day or what month, just January. And so the moms and mama bears like have to stay in their den for, you know, 16, 20 weeks because they give birth to these one pound, like hairless, kind of blind little cubs. Right. Like they're they're they're little bears are huge. Right. Bears are huge, right? Bears are bigger than people and they give birth to these tiny little like fist-sized cubs. Right. I mean, I personally am jealous. Like human beings should be able to do that, right? Like we are smaller and we give birth to these enormous babies and it tears us apart. So bears, they have these like nice little births, the babies just slip out, right?

And then they just nurse from their moms in the protection of this hibernation den for a couple of months, like two or three months. And then they emerge from the den altogether. So the mama bear needs to prepare for hibernation by packing on the pounds, getting as fat as she possibly can in order to not eat, not drink, not urinate, not defecate, and just

birth and nurse some babies for several months. And if the climate is not giving her that signal that it's time to do that, then she won't be ready. And if you play it out to the worst possible outcome, it's that the cycle, disrupted to the point that the population just begin dwindling. That's right. We just stop having births, like successful births. Right. So it's less about sometimes people are worried about like hunting them, right, like outright killing of them. And it's more about like females of reproductive age, like having successful births over and over. That's if we don't have that, then we don't have a future of the species. You said something really interesting earlier that I wanted to touch back on.

They don't, and I was always curious about this, they don't poop or pee that whole time? Yeah. Isn't that crazy? I always wondered how that, I don't know. I remember as a kid hearing that, I'm like, they got to poop a little bit, probably, but they're sleeping. Okay. So let me just say, because scientists are always going to give a good, like, it depends, right? So here's my scientist. It depends for accuracy.

There haven't been a lot of studies done on hibernating bears. You can imagine why, right? Like it is very hard to study these animals. Oh, it seems so cozy in there. I would be all about that. If you need somebody to go in there. You peeing? All right, cool. I'll be all about that. If you need somebody to go in there. You peeing? No?

All right, cool. I'll be back in a couple hours. Like it's just, it's like pretty dangerous and like they don't want to be bothered. Oh, sure, sure, sure. A lot of these things are very important. And then it's hard to study hibernation in captive bears, like at the zoo,

because again, their food source doesn't go away in the winter time. And so they often don't hibernate because they're like, I'm cool. I'm chilling. I have like a heater and a person who brings me food. So there aren't a lot of studies on this. But what we found is that in this metabolic state that they enter, they recycle all of their waste and urine. So that's why they don't drink anything. And the liquid in their body is being recycled like over and over it's fascinating and there's a lot that we can learn about human health and you know

biomedicine from studying hibernating bears in fact there are some hypotheses that their plasma changes so we can detect the chemical changes down to the blood and the plasma level, and their organs are actually preserved because the molecular components of their plasma changes. I've had a researcher come to the field with me in Minnesota who was a cardiologist and was studying human hearts. And the idea was that they wanted to take a blood sample from a hibernating bear, which we were able to do, not without drama, but we were able to do it. And they wanted to see if the blood of a hibernating bear could preserve human organs because we need a way to make organ donors organs last longer. Because when there's an organ donor and there's a recipient somewhere in a hospital waiting for a

lung or a heart or a kidney, often the organ will die in transport because we don't have a good way to keep them alive. But apparently, hibernating bare blood might be the thing we need to, like, if we can replicate it, to figure out how to preserve organs for double the amount of time so that more lives can be saved by organ donors. Right. That's incredible. See, this is, and learning new stuff, too. I'm going to start going poop and pee in the recycling can. Yeah.

Right. I mean, that's what I'm saying. That is, I think we got what you were saying. Recycle your waste. I mean, you know, talking about the vaccine and, you know, the, like, there's a lot of people who had some ideas about how you could recycle your own urine to help protect you from. Jack, why don't we. I think you just endorsed that, right?

So we can just move along. That's basically. Let's get past the joke stuff, Jack. You want to ask a serious question? Yeah. Okay so okay you wake up and you're a bear i i have an answer this that i'll give first but like what's the first thing you're doing like i personally feel like showing the other bears water slides would be high on my they're gonna love it they're gonna i feel like bears would love water slides. And I don't think I've seen a bear, like I've seen them enjoy a pool.

I've seen them enjoy hammocks. Yeah, love a hammock. But like a water slide park, like me and my bear friends go ride on water slide park. Yeah, it sounds pretty fun. What would yours be other than that? What would be the first thing that? Obviously, that's number one. What would be the first thing? I guess realistically.

Yeah, sure. That I do as a bear. I mean, you know, they're just so motivated by hunger, as am I. So I think the first thing I might do is like hit up like a buffet, you know, like a good, like what's a good buffet? I mean, Sizzler is classic in my family. Pizza Hut salad bar. Oh, from the 90s. Yeah. Pizza Hut salad bar. I think Ruby Tuesdays used to have one. Yeah. Okay. You know, like a solid buffet, I think would be what I do. But I might also like, you know, what's funny is that what people talk to me about bears all the time right and so often they'll bring up like yogi bear right the cartoon and they'll talk

about like picnic baskets and like going for a picnic and all that kind of stuff and I'm like maybe that would be cute maybe if I woke up as a bear I might be like hey let's let's like let's actualize this let's like go for a picnic at a picnic table in a public park and blow people's minds you know let's just like screw with people and make this whole yogi bear story real yeah and you know do that play the part i like that sorry we're just furiously crossing off the five yogi bear questions that we have all right never mind not that one those might come off as hack now what's another one oh okay so to that point about, you know, bears taking a pie off a windowsill and things like this. So we constantly read stories or I'm constantly seeing stories of like, you know, black bear shows up in a backyard and, you know, the species are increasing. The BBC over the summer was like, bears are returning to the Alps. Here's what you need to do to avoid, you know, having a horrible encounter. We're in how to stay safe in bear

territory. Some things feel and then other things I've read about, I think Louisiana may have a bear hunting season for the first time in a long time. And that like populations are rising to levels where before it seemed like it was pretty fraught with potential of like, you know, extinction. Are these stories like, are they part of a bigger picture? Are there people who are just looking at these bear communities being like trying to other the bears and make them feel like a threat and how we have to control them? Or is it something that has to be hunted that's one thing i'm seeing constantly aside from also locally especially in like la people who live near the angeles national forest increased anecdotes and like local news about bears like showing up and i'm curious from your perspective

is it like this is a good thing like right like like conservation's working and we're able to like help repopulate or this is or it's it's it's fine lines where where are we at with all the bear stories so much to say about this i'm gonna save the hunting stuff okay because i have a personal opinion about hunting and i have a professional opinion and they're different okay but to answer your first question i just want here's a little anecdote when i was in grad school my advisor said to me, he had been studying carnivores for his whole professional career. And he said to me, when it comes to carnivores, people think there's either too few or too many. They never think there's the right

number. And man, oh man, does that ring true? Because when bears are on the endangered species list, like people are like save the bears we love bears we got to get more bears bring them back by any means necessary and once we get like a good number of bears around and they're like oh look i my ancestors used to live here i'm gonna come back to this space all of a sudden right like people are bringing the alarm like bears are everywhere they alarm, like bears are everywhere. They've returned. Like, what are you going to do? They're eating your puppies. So, so that's like my thing. I would actually, I would, I would call on everyone listening to really think about like, like, where do you fit in this? Like you do care about wild animals and you care when there's not enough

of them, but when there's like plenty or when they're doing well and when you see them, does that mean there's too many or does that mean you're uncomfortable? Because I think that's a huge, huge difference. Because like on one hand, when it comes to black bears, like we've been doing conservation on them for several decades. It's been working pretty well and black bear populations are rebounding. But there's not like so many black bears. Right.

I mean, right. Considering how many there used to be before, like, you know, the colonization of North America, there's a fraction of that number here today. Right. There's no habitat for them. I mean, like, you know, you look at New York City, New York City used to have bears before it was New York City. And now you're not going to find a bear anywhere near there.

So, you know, like San Francisco, Los Angeles, grizzly bears like walked in those spaces. You're not going to find grizzly bears in California. So I have such a strong like pushback on people who are like, there's so many. They're everywhere. They're in my backyard. It's like, well, it's their backyard, actually. That's like they're in their backyard. Like they're at their house.

It's like they came first. Bears existed in North America. From what we can tell from like the evolutionary timeline, they were here before people, before indigenous people, before any human beings walked on the continent of North America, as far as we know, black bears were here first. And so this is their land and we need them, right? Like they help to control the herbivore population. It helps control the vegetation community and that gives us deeper roots in the soil and that prevents erosion. And that's a really big issue. I mean, there's a lot of reasons we need these predators. Okay. The next thing I'll say is that COVID, man, oh man, COVID actually plays into this because when the world shut down and

everyone had to start working from home in 2020, we started like noticing shit. Like people started like looking out their window and be like, oh my gosh, there's a coyote out there. Oh my gosh, have you seen how many raccoons are in the trash? Oh, my gosh. The combination of people being home and being able to notice what happens in and around their home and also like not going out at night. Right. Like we're not going to the club. We're not like going to places.

We're just like we're on bear watch. We're on bear watch. We can hear we can notice people spending more time in wild places. Right. bear watch we can hear we can notice people spending more time in wild places right like when we were able to travel again in covid it was safer to be in nature than other places and then technology everyone has like a ring camera right like you used to have a doorbell and now you have a camera at your door everyone is able and they have a camera at the front door at the back door all around the house doorbells have cameras the doorbells have cameras. The doorbells have cameras.

Like, there's so much monitoring. There's also, like, I'm flashing my iPhone at y'all because when I first started studying bears, we didn't have cameras with phones or phones with cameras. You know what I'm trying to say. Yeah. Camera phones. And now we do. So like the amount of bears that I can show that I'm working on today when I do field work is an order of magnitude bigger than before. So anyone who interacts with a bear in 2023 can prove it, can show it, can put it on the

internet, can spread this information. Whereas 10 years ago, 15 years ago, you just had the story to tell and it didn't get very far. I didn't believe it existed. It was like Bigfoot to me. I didn't think they were real. It was Yogi Bear. And that was it. No, that's a cartoon, you fools. And then sure enough. And then I got attacked. Sure enough, it was one of those real ones that I was talking to. There's like this combination of things, right? There's just a combination of things.

Like, yes, there are more bears. There's not very many more bears. Like, it's going well. It's going well. There's more coyotes. There's not that many more coyotes. There's more coyotes caught on your nest camera, right? That's what it is.

Like, you just didn't know that coyotes were minding their own business on your property, you know, five years ago, but now you know, and now you have a feeling about it. And so there are so many scientists, a lot of folks, especially I have to highlight, like UC Berkeley has this incredible lab, the Shell Lab, S-C-H-E-L-L, run by a black man who's a wonderful wildlife ecologist. And they primarily study like urban carnivores. And they are actually using data from Nextdoor. You know, that terrible like app where people are racist. Yeah, yeah.

What kind of data are they getting? How those people are selling stuff outside on the corner again. So like filter out all of the discriminatory like posts on racism and anti-homeless rhetoric. And you get people talking about animals. And they're actually using data from Nextdoor to kind of measure, like, are people reporting seeing wildlife more often than before? And the answer is yes. So we have like a few more animals, but a lot more reporting, a lot more discussions,

a lot of people sharing it and seeing it. And I think that's good. I think it normalizes wildlife being around, but people got to like stop worrying that they're not going to be okay. Because it's like, when was the last time a coyote like killed somebody?

We don't have that. Like that doesn't happen. A bear? Or a dingo ate my baby you know yeah like it's not like you're okay like you're safe you just might not feel comfortable right yeah and it gets to your point about awareness like the more i see it the more i'm like i actually see more videos of bear encounters where people like successfully are just like who know what they're doing and like the bear leaves and that's actually given me a little bit more being like okay they're not out here to fucking eat our pies you know they're

just doing their thing and if you if you happen to have an encounter there is a way to exit about being like get your fucking gun tom all this bear all this bear pie fear-mongering is getting out of hand and it's unbearable actually okay we Okay, Miles. We need to wage a campaign. Yeah. We need to take a quick break, and then we're going to come back, and I want to ask about bear videos, just generally,

because I think, you've mentioned it a couple times, but bear videos rule. They probably make your job a little bit easier. Yeah. So we're going to talk. We'll be right back.

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this terrible entertainment platform literally named Boring kicked off a video announcing his new company called Bentkey with a rant about how Disney is trying to indoctrinate our kids, adding that while Disney still uses Walt's name, he's like on a nickname basis with Walt Disney, they have all but abandoned his legacy, presumably meaning his legacy of racism and anti-Semitism. But they come back home, Walt. Yeah. So they go on to announce a new app, which will feature a licensed program and also original children's shows, including Chipchilla. That's a mouthful.

Yeah. So it's just Chipchilla. It's just a bluey ripoff with chinchillas instead of dogs. A fucking terrible bluey ripoff. Yeah. A terrible bluey ripoff featuring A terrible bluey ripoff featuring the voice of Rob Schneider. Yes.

You gotta have the canceled, the voice of the canceled to power this kind of creative endeavor. It's wild when you look at this, the pictures of Chip Chilla are so it's just like so blatant that it's a ripoff of blue. don't they understand how kids

minds work as a kid i rejected anything that i suspected of being not the genuine article you know what i mean if it's oh you're too good for go bots yeah absolutely like you know if you're you're you're my mom be like oh we got that at home and i'm like we don't have that at home it's in the store the thing you have at home is like this other version or it's like there's this other toy that's like the thing i like it's like it's not the thing so i can't imagine there would be kids who are like seeing this and they're like i want bluey like right even unless you're able to start them off on this early you know don't you think the kids will inherently respond well to chip chillas inherently uh more heteronormative household roles where rob schneider's father character is a distinctly alpha father named chum chum chip chilla is also uh

homeschooled because his family doesn't trust the school system i'm sure almost definitely when are those ones gonna come out too like where it's like the teacher at school said i needed to get a shot to keep the other kids safe right like inevitably right that's actually i'm kind of okay so like i write a lot of i write for kids tv a lot yeah and i'm seeing this new story i'm obsessed with it like part of me thinks like oh yeah this is insane but part of me is also thinking like what sort of crazy bullshit can I pitch to them to get them to buy? Like if I pitch like Teenage Mutant Ninja Firearms, where instead of turning into turtles, they turn into guns. Yeah, right. Or they'd be like, sold, sold, sold, sold, sold. Or just like Garfield, but instead of hating Mondays, he hates being woke. That's why he's always napping. Or like, instead of Thomas the Tank Engine, it's just like Thomas the Tank Cannon or something.

Right, right. It's pro-military. Would they be like, oh, yeah, sign me up? Thomas, yeah, Thomas the Crowd Disbursement Vehicle. Yeah. Oh, no, the people are complaining. Go, Thomas. He's the train that broke up that union protest with, like, machine guns on the back.

Yeah. Or he's the thing that like yeah crashed in like east palestine that horrible train derailment it's like they're just they're they're mischaracterizing me wait uh can i put you on my dream daily wire project yes please okay so um it's about a vampire who instead of drinking your blood with fangs, he injects vaccines into you with fangs. His name is, get this, his name is Vacula. Oh, yeah. Vaccine Dracula.

I think that it stars Scott Baio, canceled actor Scott Baio, as like a cop who got canceled just for doing what's right or something like that. Yeah, exactly. I think that it's revealed halfway through the Vacula is Hunter Biden. And also Joe Biden's a villain too.

Yes, of course. And there's definitely going to be a line of dialogue in this movie where the Scott Baio canceled cop is holding a shotgun and a, and a scientist is telling him like, you just got to trust the science on this. Uh, why don't you just like look at our research and appreciate it?

And then Scott Baio will say, I do my own research and then cock a shotgun. well hell yeah yeah now is there room for uh dean kane and kevin sorbo in there oh yeah yeah look there's got to be a lot of uh there's gonna be a lot of heroes in this movie yeah yeah james woods daily wire if you're listening to this hit me up i think we could have um you know, Rob Schneider could play Vacula. Or like, who's that former SNL guy who's like, who was Goat Boy on SNL? Yeah, Jim Brewer could be Vacula. It'd be great.

He would be good, yeah. He's a mess, dude. Have you seen his stand-up recently? Oh, it's insane. It's fucking, it's morbidly bad. Like, it's like not even, it's bad to a point where you're like, if that movie, The Wrestler, were about a stand-up. Like, it's like not even it's bad to a point where you're like if that movie the wrestler were about a stand-up like it's like we're seeing that version like mickey rourke is just like a down and out like it's just it's so it's so distressing but what's okay so what's wild about it is the stand-up the jokes are bad but he's performing largely in front of churches

and like very right-wing friendly audiences and if you if you listen to the audience it's like they're watching like Eddie Murphy's Raw like it's just they're like eating it up right it's because like he does like this thing where he'll be like and then you got like these Democrats the Democrats

like he just he's like just over the top like just like guttural sounds and stuff. You're like, exactly. Yeah, I think there's something where it's just like, the Democrats sound like parakeets. They're always like, trust the science because, or whatever, you know.

Yeah. That's his closer. Thank you so much. I'm Jim Brewer. All right. You can hear me on an upcoming episode of Chip Chilla playing a racist cop. Yeah. Who actually saves the day, it turns out. Yeah.

He's got some interesting things to say. Yeah, a racist cop who has some real truths he's saying or whatever. But they're also doing live action, right? Like on this bent key platform. They've got one Kid Explorer, a show called Kid Explorer, that appears to be like a recruitment tool for the U.S. military. They all appear to be a recruitment tool for the U.S. military. Yeah, right. Yeah.

Even Chip Chilla is about being like, hey, and if you're too weak bodied, we can still use you in like a drone operating trailer who knows you know there's also apparently uh other daily wire movies they released they came up with a movie called terror on the prairie in 2022 and part of me is like part of me wants to watch the trailer and then another part of me is like oh i know that's gonna be racist terror on the prairie sounds like it could be something that's poignant right but it's just gonna go the other way no yeah it it did go the other way also in terms of box office it made a total of 804 dollars at the box i'm just saying if they almost fucking hurt my throat laughing i'm sorry i'm just saying if they would green light vacula that would make twice that oh yeah vacula would kill.

By the way, it does reflect our, like, we've talked before about something in my childhood made me think that Dracula had hollow fangs that sucked the blood through the fangs. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like a reverse cobra or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And people, I don't think that was an assumption made by everyone. No, we kind of mentioned it on the show. Dracula proves it. Yeah, or we're Team Holo.

We've been Holo fans. We're Team Holo fans. Yeah, I'm Team Holo. I'm all in for that. All right, cool. Like, yeah, update the Reese's commercial. So there's like two holes. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So you can see. Oh, there were. I think Reese's is team HoloFang. Yeah, I think so. Okay. But I'm just saying, what if instead of having HoloFangs, you had fangs that had little syringes that came out of them? Yeah.

Absolutely. Look, I'm hard selling vacuola. Those fangs go two ways. Yeah, yeah. selling vacuola those things go two ways yeah yeah oh i think we're saying the logic of the reese's being team hollow fang wasn't because of the indents but because what the indents represented was it yeah they're drinking peanut butter yeah yeah i was talking about like how you represent it doesn't matter uh because i i don't understand okay so i guess okay so my my so my bump there is that i'm also very much team hollow fang but

like blood is a liquid i feel like if you drank peanut butter like you drank blood you'd like choke right total mess yeah oh yeah it would just clog up your fangs yeah clog up your fangs yeah the dentist would be like oh man you're doing the peanut butter thing again i told you it's hard to get out also i feel like that would be like a real pain to clean inside your fangs. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Nobody said this Dracula stuff was going to be easy, man.

It's a mess. Yeah, you're right. You've been turned by him. You're like, what the fuck, man? Like the maintenance and shit on the fangs? You never told me. It's like, hey, man. Nobody said it was easy.

Yeah, I got what that song was about. As you're sadly cleaning your fangs with pipe cleaners tiny little pipe cleaners going in the points of your fangs this this like new explorer though these images from the new explorer show are fucking like you can already tell right like there's a kid in, a fucking bomber jacket in front of, like, a Netflix team. Aviators in front of a Netflix team. Yeah, man. This is how we make it rain. And then another one that seems like a Revolutionary War soldier, but with a Thompson gun. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know what they're going to say here. I don't know what kind of cool stuff they're going to be saying. His facial expression suggests he's in the middle of murdering someone. The Revolutionary War kid is like... Or, yeah, it yeah it has the feeling of like a 90s toy commercial yes or it's like the red coats yeah like that kind of shit yeah they're also uh on that note they're making a rival snow white movie where get this snow white's played by a white woman oh hell yeah big change yeah yeah it is they've been really upset about the snow like it seems like the snow white thing is the whole impetus behind this

right just they've been so mad that the star of disney's actual snow white which they might have to change the title to disney's actual snow white rachel ziggler had the gall to call the original movie uh dated it came out in 1937 i actually re-watched it for the bechdel cast and it's not just it is like the most profoundly sexist like if you do a close reading of the movie like what it's saying about snow white yeah it's like if you if you kiss a lady while she's asleep she has to love you yes and if she only like every time she does something she is putting herself in danger she's just like dizzily wandering into life threatening situations the entire movie she, runs away from the hunter

and, like, runs into the woods and passes out and is, like, surrounded by a bunch of wild animals. And the only reason the wild animals don't, like, eat her is because she's, like, really pretty when she's asleep. And then she also almost gets murdered. She, like, breaks into the Seven Dwarfs' home and, like, falls asleep in their bed. They almost murder her with a pickaxe.

She rolls over in her sleep and they're like, oh, she's so pretty. And then when she eats a poisoned apple, that is clearly, the person giving it to her is overtly a witch. It's like it was given to you

by a talking snake. Exactly. And then the only thing that saves her there is again when she's asleep like she has to be asleep for good things to happen be beautiful and passive to succeed be beautiful and passed out is literally the message of the it's fucked so what do you think the message will be with this one huh probably the same like i don't know like i don't know if they could even do it but but I'm sure they could.

Like, it feels like they'll find a way to make it terrible. We're updating it for modern times. Yeah. Are you? Yeah. Yeah. The Daily Wire will find a way. Yeah.

They'll find a way. Yeah. As they always do. Yeah. The teaser trailer suggests the movie has not been shot yet but uh good does reveal that they cast a white actress as snow white and also have access to stock footage of a national park okay okay but some yeah but yeah their their movies up to this point have averaged uh 236 000 at the worldwide box office. And this is, these are movies produced by Ben Shapiro,

person who like went to see Barbie on opening day and like did, created like seven hours of content just railing about like how evil. He destroys Barbie for three hours or whatever that video is called. Yeah.

And it tanked the box office for Barbie, but nobody wanted to see it after he had his set really got his way so but it's really funny like how heavily the go woke go broke brigade was like really attacking the barbie movie only for it to make one one to make 1.5 billion dollars of profit like just the most successful movie yeah yeah yep go broke too bad they went broke uh-huh uh-huh ours that's why you really want to be shooting for around 230k yeah that's the real or like 800 five weeks yeah yeah it's like okay it made 200 billion dollars but did it make 800 check? Checkmate, woke brigade. They have been defending the movie's performance by being like, we didn't even put it out in wide release.

Like, they wouldn't have if they could have. Yeah. That was a choice that they made. Actually, we don't even want people to see this movie. That's like the whole point, dude. And that's why you don't get it. That's why you're like a part of the mainstream, like, fucking echo chamber, bro. Get out of here. But no, legit, like, that's something that i'm kind of thinking about with like all of this stuff is like that is specifically daily wire stuff is like

is this just ben shapiro trying to steal money from vc funders like because oh yeah yeah you know it's like this feels like a tax scheme yeah totally man damn took huge losses on all those movies yeah yeah like what are the budgets because that's where you're really going to see the magic Yeah, totally. Man, damn, took huge losses on all those movies. Yeah, yeah. What are the budgets? Because that's where you're really going to see the magic in the accounting happen. Right. All right, that's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

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