The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 300 (Best of 11/13/23-11/17/23)

Episode Date: November 19, 2023

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then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one non-stop infotainment laugh-stravaganza. Yeah, so without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by an award-winning staff writer for Slate, whose work focuses on identity and religion and who has been doing invaluable reporting on what is happening in Israel right now.

He's appeared on CNN, NPR, and most importantly, this show. He's been featured in the New York Post, Adweek, Gawker, The Huffington Post. Please welcome back to the show, Ayman Ismail! Ayman! As-salamu alaykum, my brothers.

As-salamu alaykum. What's happening, man? Lekum salam, broaykum, my brothers. As-salamu alaykum. What's happening, man? Alaykum salam, bro. Oh, my God. I know, man. We were just talking. I was like, it's been a minute. And I was like, we got to have you back.

And the shit is so fucking horrible wherever you look. And I know with the work that you do, having such proximity to what's happening in Gaza and the West Bank and everything, I know it's very difficult. So I'm like, honestly, I really, we really appreciate you coming on because it's not easy. I'm glad, man. I'm really glad you guys aren't afraid to talk about it. I've been listening to the show and you guys have had some of the best critiques, responses, and the most fiery rhetoric. So shout out to you guys for keeping it up and for inviting me for real. Oh, no, it's just, I mean, thrilled to have you. Yeah, man. And,

and again, I think it's also important, like we've had, you know, like guests on to speak about what's been going on. But I think also one thing we've talked about really consistently is how the media is portraying things and how it meant consent is being manufactured for some really grisly, awful things. We want to call it genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, whatever, pick, pick one. So I think, yeah, having your insight today is also going to be really invaluable for not just us, but everybody listening. So again, man, I know it's, thank you, man. Yeah. I know how difficult it is to talk about this stuff too, but honestly, we just, yeah, we were glad to have you, man. We're glad to have you.

I've got it. I've got one chat. I've got one in the chamber already. So just let me know. Uh, first of all, let me answer your first question. I condemn Hamas.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Uh huh. Oh, good. I'm glad you saw that in the doc. Uh,

but does he condemn Hamas though? Condemn them. Okay. Now what do you say? It's a weird, cause it sounds like I'm coming back and like saying that as a response but that was the first thing written in the doc. But do you, sir?

However, I'm sorry, I haven't said anything yet. However, do you, sir, condemn Hamas? What's new with you? It's been crazy. It's been crazy watching the news because, you know, contrary to what most people say, I think we still are in the golden age of media. There are so many amazing reporters who are doing such amazing work. It's just incredible the kind of work that's coming out right now. they're some of the worst work uh but anyways what i'm trying to say is that it's people who work in journalism now know the game they know how to keep their skepticism they know how to

draw out the story in an interesting way what i can't understand is how when it comes to just this one thing whenever it comes to palestine everybody forgets all their training it's like we're starting from scratch it's now it's it just drives me nuts seeing so many people make so many mistakes taking the israeli military's narrative as fact and casting doubt and shadow into anything on the like on the other side regardless of who it's coming from which to me is like, you guys see what you're doing, right? But you see it everywhere. And it's been driving me nuts. Yeah.

Is it a mistake at that point? Like, is it or is it just kind of their marching orders and what they think they have to do? Like at this point, you know, but yeah, it's a fucking nightmare out there. Sarah, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? I was doing a deep dive on Suzanne Somers today. Okay. Yeah.

Hell yeah. And I don't know. You all are probably too young to remember Three's Company, but it was. Hey, I know about it. I agree. I agree with the sentiment. Jack Tripper was my first celebrity crush. Oh, wow.

John Ritter? John Ritter, yeah. And anyway, Suzanne Somers, she recently died. I don't know. She died, I think, a week ago. Or no, a month ago. She died a month ago. October 15th, she died.

Oh, yeah. Anyway, so she wrote 25 books. Did you know that? No. Wow. I mean... I think my knowledge of her went from obviously there's a knock on my door. They'll be waiting for you.

Like I was old enough to watch Three's Company reruns. And then I was like, oh, and then you became the Thighmaster lady. Right. And those are kind of the two like pinnacle or like big standout moments in my elder millennial brain. Right. She wrote. I didn't know she was a prolific author. She wrote 25 books she left three's company and didn't talk to john ritter for 20 years because she kind of ruined

the show because she wanted to be paid as much as he was being paid on the show for like the fourth season or fifth season yeah and then she had like a follow-up sitcom that like called she's the sheriff that just was rated 44th of the 50 worst shows ever made but then she came back and she was the mom on step by step or one of those like you know tgi third friday whatever shows and she was married to her husband for 55 years and he's still alive he's 10 years older and he's still alive and they had this like really explosive sex life like into like their 70s like they were having sex multiple times a day and i'm like i just i found out a lot about suzanne summers that's yeah i mean she always had a bit of you know sex appeal to her so i guess that doesn't quite strike

me as surprising but yeah it's good to have like goals to be like, you can have sex multiple times a day in your 70s. Truly, truly. Your body won't break. Yeah. Yeah. Man, what like were her books like sort of memoirs? Or was she also like, was she getting into like kind of interesting niche stuff? Her first book was a book of poetry. And the first time she did late night was talking about her poetry, her book of poetry. And the book of poetry is

about touch and how important it is to touch people. And she got like Johnny Carson and Adam McMahon to hug each other because they never she was like, you guys never touch each other. And like they touched each other for the first time. It was like really funny. And then she wrote a few memoirs and she wrote like self-help books. She had some weird medical theories that were like questionable. Oh yeah. I'm just reading one right now that she thinks, uh, fluoride may have caused mass shootings or stuff in household cleaners. Okay. You know, we can't bat a thousand. We can't bat a thousand. Yeah. But she did get breast cancer 22 years ago and it very aggressive breast cancer and she survived for 22 years. So, you know, maybe it worked for her, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wow. Suzanne, you know, what a legend. What a legend. Were you a fan before? We used to do something. Oh, no, go ahead. What were you going to say? Do you want to know what I was getting? Yeah, you're going to shame yourself in front of everyone. Go ahead. I'm not shaming myself. I'm telling you a real story is that I knew that she was a prolific writer because in school and like elementary school, we used to do something called summer's reading where each summer we would read Suzanne's summer books.

So whatever you were going to say now, you can say it. Wow. Are hysterical. I hope that you will start start a movement across elementary schools. I think summer reading needs to be a thing now. Summer reading, yeah, absolutely. And have all these kids talking about like, is there fluoride in our water, teacher?

We need to talk about this. I read something very interesting. I'm never going to brush my teeth again. Yeah. Like, damn you, summers. God damn you, Daily Zeitgeist. Yeah. I didn't know what I was going to say, Blake. I didn't know what I was going to say, Blake.

You completely neuralized me with that amazing top tier joke. Jackie, what's something you think is overrated? Okay, so this is going to split the room, and I'm a little nervous to say this out loud, but Killers of the Flower Moon. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, I don't know if you guys have seen it yet, by the way. I have not seen it.

No, I've been actually waiting. When I saw it it i was like let me start seeing some first nations indigenous people comment on it because i can definitely see the scorsese vibe some people like oh my god this white guy what did he go through i'm like who the fuck's being centered and then when i saw whoever the language consultant was on the red carpet start dropping some knowledge, but not fully, you know, fucking shit up. I was like, oh, OK. Yeah, yeah. This is this is obviously going to be flawed in some level.

Right. Yeah. So just like a bit of background, I actually worked for the Osage Nation back in my urban planning days. Like I'm focused more on comedy now, but I worked as an urban planner. I have a master's in that and I was working out there. And so I got a chance to like, see this story come to life in the community and got a chance to like, really understand that this is still very much an open wound, still very much a very tragic, awful thing that's happened to the community. And so I knew once they started announcing like, oh, Martin Scorsese is going to do this and Leonardo DiCaprio,

I was like, oh, how are they? I was like, let's hope they're handling it with reverence because this is a big one. And so I was already just kind of curious how it was all going to play out. But I will say they did consult left and right with community.

And so that's huge. The fact that they were working with the tribe and working with tribal members just to put the story together. But that said, it is about the reign of terror and murder of Osage people and for their head rights. So a head right essentially

is basically it's oil money. And so people were coming in and, and, and it, so I guess there's a lot of rampant violence essentially. And going in and watching three and a half hours of that as a native person, not the business for me. I was angry. I was very frustrated. And I will say Leonardo DiCaprio's character, this is actually the hot take you were talking about on the red carpet with the Osage consultant. I want to pull his name up in a second because we got to give him credit for what he said. But it just so much centered Leonardo DiCaprio's character. And we could see him wrestling with what he was doing,

which was part of a murder plot centered on this one very specific family. And I'm like, why are we giving him this multidimensional approach? Yes. His name is Christopher coat and that's the Osage consultant. And I just felt like it gave him a lot of, of, of texture.

And I'm like, what about the native people in this? You know, I didn't I would love to see Molly Molly's character have a little bit more nuance. And and I just I wanted something different. But again, I will say I do think it's important to watch the film because there's a lot of people who never heard about the story, who know nothing about it. And this was the first ever FBI investigation. Right. I mean, so like this is the first ever FBI investigation. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, this is kicking off the FBI.

Yeah. Exactly. And so I think that the acting is amazing. It's amazing acting. The set, like the set design, like you're in there. They got flies going around. And I'm like in the theater like,

ah, you know, like they really put you in it, right? Right. They put you in it. And so I really think that's great and lovely and wonderful. But yeah, it was just really hard for me to sit there and watch three and a half hours of violence against Native people. And so, but here's the ultimate thing. So we're putting the spotlight on something that happened a long time ago.

Lots of people stealing head rights from tribal peoples. But like, what do we do next? Like, what comes after this? And I think that's the question that I have. And that's not necessarily a question for the tribe or the question for the film crew. But like, Leo made a fat check on this one. Does he contribute some of that back to the community so they can get their head rights and lands back? I mean, like, that's that's that's what I'm just like, I want to see what happens next. And I hate to say it, but I don't know if this is going to, you know, be a catalyst for other bigger questions about lots of people. Because this is one thing that we know

about. This is one investigation. But there was all kind of crazy shit happening out there at that time with people coming in and stealing lands and stealing head rights directly from tribal members and in scrupulous ways and violent ways. So anyway, that's where I'm like, I think as a piece, it's important for people to have watched it. But if you're Native, like take your time. You don't need to see it right away. Schedule a therapy session in advance and after, you know, like you just got to really be there to support yourself because it's a it's a heavy one. It's so heavy.

Yeah, there are those films that are made for audiences that like you're like, that's important for them to understand. But if you come from that community, I mean, it's like that's why I'm like 12 years a slave and certain movies like that. I'm like, I mean, go like if you need to see it, go ahead. Like, I don't need I don't need to be convinced or know even more or a depiction of it but i get it because everyone you know we we grapple with our own personal histories and in our own ways but yeah if like leonardo capri land out here on some like land back shit then what's

up you know what i mean yeah that was my main concern when starting to see the movie being promoted you know the audience reaction of the trailers was immediately like wow that looks beautiful wow that looks great and i saw mart Scorsese. I didn't know much about the film. And then I was like, this seems like this could be very delicate and hard to pull off for a white man in his eighties, I believe. Um, and I, and the entire time, as I was hearing the reaction to the film and how the hype buildup, I was like, why isn't there any criticism? I was like, is it really that good?

Did you really handle it that carefully? And with that much depth and understanding, and I'm hearing that it's like kind of, but not as much as you'd hope is that I don't want to put words in your mouth. Jackie is, is that, I mean,

I guess, yeah. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Or no, I'm just saying, or it feels like it's just inherently hard to make a movie like this.

Yeah. And pull it off in the way that you need to. Like it's yeah. Right. Yeah. But does that, I guess my, I guess my misgiving with is like,

should, was he the best person to do it? Or I guess my, cause my whole, my whole reaction to it when I first saw it, I was like, really Martin Scorsese. And that, that was, that was when I saw i was like really martin scorsese and that that was

that was when i guess i was like the irishman fine but this felt different for me and i was like i wasn't as excited as i thought the hype was and i was questioning like why i wasn't getting there right i mean so so it's actually based on a book called Killers of the Flower Moon by David Grand, who's a non-native person who writes about the Osage murders and the birth of the FBI. But so. So, yes. So this essentially is a film based off of the book. So I think in that way, a lot of I didn't read the book. I'll tell you that.

But again, I'm not like jumping into reading about these things myself. But I have quite a few friends who read it and they were like, oh, OK. about these things myself, but I have quite a few friends who read it and they were like, oh, okay. Like it was definitely a little bit more mystery oriented in the book, according to, you know, my friend's assessment of reading it. But yeah, they, they, they were like, yeah, I think it did sort of a good job of, of, of laying out what happened in the book. And, but at the same time, this, like I said, this is a very heavy topic for this very real community that's living with this right now. And so I think that's the piece of it where I don't know if I'm just naive, but I was like, look, this is this is Hollywood.

We can we have some creative license. Like I thought that the murders might be like not so in your face. Like I felt like maybe and I felt like maybe there's some creative interpretation of what happened to inject more agency and power into the Native perspective. Because that's what I would do if I had an opportunity to do it. Right. I'd be like, all right, here's the story. But here's the story I want to tell about this story. You know, and so I think like, I guess I was silly to think maybe it wouldn't be so in your face.

And then the opening scene, like a couple of moments into the opening scene, we see our first murder and I'm like, it was just so real. And it was like, literally the people were gasping in the audience. Okay, good. I'm glad you said that.

Yeah. Yeah. So, but I get it. Like, I think probably, and I haven't read any of their sort of the film, the directors, and I haven't read any

of what they've said in response to any of some of the criticism that's coming out, but I'm sure they're like, we want it to be real. We want it to be in your face because we don't want to hide the horrors of what this was. But simultaneously, if that's your goal, then I'm going to recommend Native people do not watch. You know, anyone who's been from a community that has been targeted and oppressed in a very violent, awful way.

That's where I'm like, oh, I just be prepared, basically. And Lily Gladstone, who's the amazing actor who plays Molly, she even said, because unfortunately, because of SAG and because of the SAG after strike, wasn't even able to promote or say much about it. And so finally, once the strike was lifted and all that, Lily came forward and said, like, please take care of yourselves because this is a heavy one and i'm like yeah that's kind of the vibe we should have gone in with but

unfortunately because of the strike no one was able to say much you know so and i watched it like i had an advanced screening and so like i saw it with a lot of people like well before it came out and so you know anyway that's so i so i think it's a little overrated and i do think that people who don't know about the story should absolutely watch it. And again, amazing acting. And I do hope that Lily Gladstone gets a nom like she has to like she fucking killed it. And people might recognize her from Reservation Dogs. She plays the auntie who's in prison.

So and I can't remember her name right now. I'm sorry. But anyway, killer acting. A lot of amazing acting. That was a name right now. I'm sorry. But anyway, killer acting. A lot of amazing acting. That was a good nuanced take. I like that. Yeah, you know, you just split the room because we didn't see it.

I want you guys to watch it. We got to debrief. I want to watch it, please. And let's debrief. This convinced me to watch it. Absolutely. I was on the fence. And now the fact that you were like,

no, it's essential. You're just going to need to take care of yourself. That really pushed me over the edge. Yeah, because it's hard, I think, in general, yeah, like to see just that kind of untethered violence towards marginalized people that goes unpunished. It's hard to watch that over and over and over again. And then it's like, and then Native women on top of that, like we already, like, folks are familiar with MMIW, Murdered and Missing Indigenous Women. So, this is nothing new. And it's just really hard to stomach.

And, you know, and also, it's three and a half hours long. So, like, do not drink anything before you go in. Yeah. Or wear a diaper. You know, whatever you got to do. You know, whatever you got to do. There's no intermission. It's just nonstop.

Yeah. What is something you think is underrated? I guess I'm respecting other people's opinions. Again, at the sake of sounding corny, I'm just like, I think I'm so overwhelmed with the news right now. watching people that i've known for a long time and realizing that their belief system is rooted in straight up ignorance you know like straight up superiority right you know and people aren't just allowed to be and you know that can also the the thing i hate about like vague inspirational anything inspirational quotes is that they can be used by anyone sure that's right because even if i'm just like oh it's respecting people's opinions people be like well why don't you respect the zionist

opinions like bitch that is just white supremacy get the fuck out of here i do not respect anybody who is into that shit so yeah i guess just you know what what are we doing guys that's what i'm asking that's what's that's my underrated or over what did you ask me what are we doing i know it feels like the fucking twilight zone you're like are y'all really advocating for ethnic cleansing so casually yes they are and you're like god damn i don't know and that's the thing i'm really there are people who like i'm really curious if this you know right now there's a lot of focus on like the hostage like when will they when will they free the hostages sure and and seeing how that plays out what happens after that is achieved like what is going to be the next goal post after

that if it happens because i just feel like there's there's clearly like you see people like there is that israel solidarity rally and that was really just a rally to maintain the status quo. You know what I mean? Just like we need to put visual pressure on this administration to not dare call for a ceasefire, because even when Van Jones is whack ass was up there, like he tried to say something about peace, like people were starting to chant like no ceasefire and shit. I'm just like, what is where I know what y'all not saying but i'm curious what the rhetoric will be once we get past this point in time when and and tens of thousands of people are left dead

it's just uh yeah it's mind-blowing like we've been every week i feel like we're always saying some version of like i can't honestly like i don't know where the fuck i'm at like what are we doing y'all what are we doing yeah and the people who are like out there like't know where the fuck I'm at. What are we doing, y'all? What are we doing? And the people who are out there blocking the roads to Raytheon and shit, bless y'all. You know what I mean? Yeah, this morning the Bay Bridge is closed off. Should I not say this morning? Does that matter?

It doesn't matter. No, it's okay. God bless those people. Yeah. Everybody. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and get into the news. We'll be right back.

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And we're back. We are. And since October 7th, we've been talking about the perplexing way the media has been covering this, the discounting to the lives of Palestinian people, innocent Palestinian people and children. But just generally, just the rules of engagement seem to have changed kind of in the, in the mainstream media, but Eamon, you know, you, you are seeing, seeing this happening and, you know, as a member of the media, like covering it, I'm just curious to get your perspective on like what, what, what has been happening? What are you seeing behind the scenes? And then like,

how is that affecting how we're hearing about or not hearing about what's happening in Israel? Yeah, man. No, this is a media literacy is everything these days because it's equally important to, like, create good journalism as it is for the audience to know how to read and interpret like good journalism. So what I mean is this, right? I'm really, really upset by the way that I have like younger siblings in my, like, um, my wife's siblings are like much younger than she is. So I have one that just graduated high school, another one who's in college. And, you know, they get all of their news from social media. They only know what's going on through TikTok and through Instagram. And I feel like a lot of people don't really know how to distinguish between people just posting things, opinion, news clips of commentators from the actual journalism,

which are like firsthand accounts, people on the ground doing journalism. And this like equivocating between being like an activist talking about what's happening and being a journalist and trying to report the facts as they are has been driving me nuts. So there's two things happening when we think about like how the media has been like covering nuts. So there's two things happening when we think about how the media has been covering this. On the one hand, I'm seeing so much misinformation and disinformation spreading like crazy on social media. And because everybody's in their own little social media bubble, what people on either side are, you know, and in this case, there's a lot more than just two sides. But anybody who's consuming media on social media right now are getting just like this fire hose of information.

And some of it's real and some of it's not, and some of it's made up and some of it's like from 10 years ago, repackaged to look like it was just shot yesterday. Right. And so you have people who are Zionist and sympathetic with the IDF and what they're doing right now to secure Israel, who are sharing these videos of people in body bags who are wrapped in the white, like we've been seeing a lot from Gaza, who are getting up to check their phones, you know, because it's like actually a clip from a protest in Lebanon, or something like that. But that clip is being repackaged and shared as evidence of Hamas making up casualties, and that the IDF is pure-hearted and pure-intentioned. But on the other end, there was a viral clip

that went viral maybe two days ago that supposedly showed Apache helicopters shooting Israelis who were fleeing from their lives when the Hamas came in with those paragliders at the, at the music festival. Yeah. Uh, which is also like, you know, repackaged, I think it was from like the two or three days afterwards, uh, when that clip, when those clips were shot and published by the IDF showing their attack helicopters, um, attacking militants who were trying to either

flee or take more ground in Israel. And so those are two examples. But they were being packaged to say that this was Israel shooting their own people. They were saying, yeah, the reason why the casualties numbers were so high is because the Israelis were also shooting everybody. But there's also, you know, I should also caveat that there is like a few kind there's a few eyewitness testimonies of survivors in the kibbutz who talked about how they were when they

were being taken hostage that israeli soldiers showed up and just started spraying bullets and and hit some of their own people this is eyewitness testimony you can read about it on harry's but at the same time the the role that the journalist has to play is to find primary sources and report it out. And the way that so many people at prominent outlets that have a humongous responsibility, an outsized responsibility to tell the truth in this particular war, where information like this is kind of just going crazy, just flying over our heads, has been catastrophic. A good example is right after the beginning of the war, the Palestinian ambassador for the PA for London, for England, was being interviewed by the BBC. And he just talked about how he lost like seven family members in an Israeli bombardment.

And this guy, you can tell tell was being super stoic. He looked like he was just crying because he just found this out and he's on the news ready to talk about what's happening. And the presenter asked him to condemn Hamas like immediately after he shared that he lost seven family members. And this callousness goes beyond what a reporter ought to do. You know, we should be asking people about what they see, what they feel, trying to get primary sources to tell us something about what's happening in front of them. Asking somebody who has a wealth of knowledge about being an ambassador for the PA, not Hamas, which is, PA is their, they run the West Bank, Hamas, Razzagazza.

This person is an ambassador for them. So he's also lost family to the bombardment. He's in a unique position to talk about what's happening from his perspective. But this person who was interviewing him, this journalist, was asking about something that he's disconnected to and was trying to make a moral argument with this person. And that to me felt like, I don't know, I was disappointed. I was like, you know how to do this. Like, this is your job. You don't have any problems doing this with any other subject.

Why is it when we come to talking about Palestine and talking to Palestinians, we skip the part where we're supposed to interrogate how they're experiencing the world and we skip to, well, how do we hold them accountable for what the other side is saying? You don't see that when it comes to those same people interviewing Israeli ambassadors or Israeli prime ministers. When they talk to their own people, they say, we are going to flatten Palestine. We are going to eradicate Hamas and all of its supporters. And they use a lot of this genocidal rhetoric.

And they talk about having a second Nekba. Ministers in the current Israeli government talk this way. But when they come on to do these interviews, they ask them, well, where were you on October 7th? How are you affected by this tragedy? Which are, you know, I'm not here to like browbeat these people for doing their job, because those are good questions to ask people who are going through this, and that suffering is real. But where is that when we're talking to Palestinian sources? Just today, the New York

Times put out a piece in their incredible podcast, The Daily, not as good as The Daily Zeitgeist, but you know, if you have extra time, you can probably listen to it. Rip-off artists. A lot of people might think they came first, we came first. Thanks. I was going to say, I was going to make that point. But they did this whole episode where they talked to Gazan doctors, doctors who are in these hospitals who are operating. And the host asked one of them,

well, the IDF is saying that Hamas is doing XYZ in these hospitals. What are you seeing? Which is a good question to ask. But the people who are just being constantly asked to take these political arguments that one side is making and trying to rationalize them and trying to breathe air into them and give oxygen to them.

The guy had a meltdown, man. He freaked out. He was like, yo, we are having to choose which kids die and which kids live. We don't have enough resources to give kids who need amputations any kind of anesthesia. So they are awake. And while we're hacking off their body parts, the trauma in this guy's voice when he was like, why the hell are you asking me about Hamas right now? guy's voice when he was like, why the hell are you asking me about Hamas right now?

Right. Was, I think was incredibly emblematic of the, what we've done to these people, you know, by flattening them as being like this response to Hamas. These people are people, man. So I would love to see the media make a better effort at exercising just basic journalism by asking people about what they see and where they're at versus trying to turn everything into a back and forth or it's propaganda or they're propagandizing them in real time you know what i mean you want to talk about like hamas there's hamas spokespeople who are giving interviews right like you can do that piece if you want to talk to them and be like well we

heard about you know the the fuel being withheld from xyz what do you have to talk to them and be like, well, we heard about the fuel being withheld from XYZ. What do you have to say to that? But these people who are on the ground, these doctors who have to sleep in operating rooms, who can't leave because the flood of people who need help is just constant. The people who have brought their own families to hide in these hospitals too. I mean, there are thousands of people in these hospitals and you can just imagine the chaos by opening this window and talking to these people and just asking them about like Hamas. Just, it just drove me nuts.

Like you would never see that. You would never see somebody talking to somebody hiding in their escape room in the kibbutz, you know, when that was happening. And if the, if the, if the media were able to get them on the phone,

you would never imagine them being like, well, what do you think about Netanyahu saying the settlements are about, you know, that was- Yeah, like, is he putting y'all at risk? He's putting y'all at risk, right? Because I feel like- And a lot of them would say, yeah, hell yes, he is.

Like, you know, a lot of people feel like Netanyahu's policies are not popular. Like, he's fucking incredibly far right and fascist. And like, if they were willing to ask those fucking questions, I feel like that would also be... Well, it just kind of leaves, it leaves out this, like, not even elephant in the room. The

biggest dimension of this is oppression. Yeah. And to just skirt by them and be like, well, you condemn Hamas, right? Like, let's just keep, let's keep reinforcing, because I see this so much in the rhetoric of people who are defending what the IDF is doing in the Israeli government of, of keeping the focus on Hamas, about being like, free these people from Hamas. And like, that's what it is. And rather than really, like widening out the focus here to really understand

all the dimensions of it, because to your point, like when someone is bringing up these facts that would, that is, you know, meant to tell a very human story about Palestinian people to, to then bring it to what about Hamas completely just takes the wind out of that take or what, or what the point someone's trying to make to just make it purely about, right, right. There is that, but what about this other thing that we can agree is bad? Let's talk about the bad thing, because I don't want to keep talking about how innocent people are being brutalized through no fault of their own.

And I think that's also been really hard to watch, too. Totally. And what drives me nuts is that these are like allegations, right? There's been no proof put forth by the Israeli government, but there's just not enough scrutiny to sort of just say, okay, well, the Israeli government is saying this's just not enough scrutiny to sort of just say, okay, well, the Israeli government is saying this. Is that true? Like we almost, I've seen too many media outlets and journalists skipping that step and going straight to, okay, well, we need to now ask the other side with this allegations being made of to defend themselves for it. When this, I mean,

we need to see proof, man, before anything else. This idea about copaganda, right? This idea that it came about after the popular Black Lives Matter uprisings across the country, after George Floyd was killed, where it was obvious that the police, when they issue statements, I think a lot of people suddenly realize

that they are incentivized to lie. And that you really, that first account that they gave was, incentivized to lie right and that you really that first like that first account that they gave was well he was on drugs and he was attacking us and you know he was fighting back and all the stuff that after you see the clips you know it's not even close to being true right and you know this is i feel like there's overlaps here and i think part of the lesson that we learned there in journalism and in people who are consuming media is that, you know, the police are incentivized to protect their own skin. I wish I could see more of that when we're looking about Palestine.

This idea that Israel has a long track record, not the Israeli government, I gotta be specific because Israelis are as diverse as any place else in the world. The Israeli government has a long track record of lying. We saw it when they killed the journalist Shurin Ebel Ekle. We saw it when they killed those four boys, those four preteens on the beach with worship. We saw that with, there's like so many examples, man, of like them denying that they did something when they're doing it. examples, man, of like them denying that they did something when they're doing it. So I would love to see the same amount of scrutiny being like, well, you're making these claims. We need to see proof or we need to hold out to see like what everybody else is saying. You know, it feels like we're so eager to take this narrative and put it out. Is there like a dimension? Cause like we talk

about this all the time, like how, especially in American media, like there's people can't like grapple with white supremacy or systemic oppression and journalists can't. And a lot of people have talked about how like what it what it takes to actually get to a certain newsroom and the and like what the culture is of a specific outlet that sort of self filters in a way that you're only going to get people who are kind of know how to like read from the same book when that time comes. Are you like, do you see it as a dimension of just sort of like these ingrained sort of like just the lack of American curiosity or about or about like honestly reporting about imperialism? Or is it like other you know, because we see also like these like McCarthy type activities that are happening where people, if they deign to speak out about what's happening, that they are people are coming for their careers and things like that. How do you see like what like is it bad habits? Is it external factors? Is it a combination of things?

Like, how do you kind of see like the environment that people are operating in when they just take the word of a idf command or be like okay that's what they said okay print that uh without evidence and we'll just run with that yeah i mean it breaks my fucking heart man i i've been trying to to like not cry all day and i'm like fighting it back now because you're what you said about the lack of curiosity really it like hit something right on my heart dude because that's what it is it is man it's it's this basic like in this base basic reflex that's maybe inside me because i had arab heritage or i don't know what it is man but like i cannot for the life of me understand why there's not this curiosity where people are just satisfied with it being like, it's a religious war. And so they're responding to their religion. And so it makes sense that they want to eliminate just Jewish people.

And they use that as a way to just justify making claims like what's made on the Congress floor recently, that there is no such thing as a Palestinian civilian. Right. Right. It's like when the Israeli government says that we're going to punish the people who are giving out candy or giving candy or like the people they elected Hamas. And it's like, where's the curiosity to say, okay, what are the polls saying? Right. Because if you look for the polls,

like you would for any other community when you're trying to understand like what this community is experiencing or how they feel. There are polls, man. People go and they do studies about this stuff. Gaza has been under siege for like the greater part of the last 20 years. This has been the curiosity of academics, people who are going in and finding out,

oh, actually, more than 70% of the people in Gaza, when they were asked if peace was an option, would they want to live in peace with Israel as their neighbors? And 75%— i don't know the exact number but more than 70 we're like yeah we want peace yeah but you you almost don't you don't even see that number quoted anywhere because there's no curiosity there's no uh thought experiment of like well are these people like us where they're responding to many different things there's this idea that is really prevalent, I think, among a lot of writers and journalists that the issue is that there's an ideological conflict.

Right. That if only each side could just get along, then this problem would get solved. Right. That there are actual partners for peace on either end of this that are being usurped by these like radical ideological groups. This is not the case here, man. This is not the case. What you said about the imbalance of power here is everything. Because I think this really cuts through to how so many people who are sympathetic with the Palestinian cause actually feel about this.

And it drives me nuts seeing some of these protests being described, the protests that we've seen across the country, across the world. I think London just had the biggest protest ever in its history, and it was for Palestine. This being condensed as it being like a pro-Hammaz rally or an anti-Israel rally. You know, the idea that these people could just be flattened into like this responding to this one part of this conflict drives me nuts. Yeah. You know, where's the curiosity?

I mean, send a reporter, talk to these people. Yeah. Find out what they're saying. They're filming themselves. They're telling you what they're saying. The same thing with from the river to the sea. Palestine will be free. The congresswoman Rashida Tlaib just got censured by her own colleagues on the Democratic side who helped the obviously bad faith right wing use that rallying

cry to punish her. Now, none of the reporting I've seen makes context of what she was actually saying in the speech where she said that she wants peace for everybody. just took the right wing's word for that she was calling for genocide she was calling for genocide man come on right yeah exactly saying freedom yeah and also the the speech where did she give it where's the curiosity right right where did she give the speech she gave it at a jewish voices for peace rally right come on yeah what like this is basic journalism 101 that you'll see in every context except for this and it makes me want to tear my eye out man yeah it drives me nuts i mean this is what's so difficult to watch too after going through the summer of 2020 and understanding how oppression affects people and like they were they were doing this, like they,

this, this is why, like, I'm so cynical about how our media operates because it it's operating, not even to inform people. It's there to just preserve these systems of oppression under like, because these questions that are asked, like similar to like in 2020, you bear like every now and then you'd hear some, a reporter ask somebody who's at a protest why why they're there. Like everything was always like, and we're here with the police. Sorry, we're here with, you know, Sheriff Villanueva, who's telling us about what is happening in Los Angeles, and getting this perspective that is meant to just, like, to your point, flatten this movement into like a very easy to digest, like these people just like want chaos or something.

And it's it's it's not that great of a thing. Like these people just like want chaos or something. And it's, it's, it's not that great of a thing. Slowly. I feel like those things change because I think there are enough people in America to kind of begin to grapple with that somewhat. But this also just feels so disgusting and uncomfortable to watch because it really pulls out just the inherent Islamophobia that exists in this country too, because I feel like it's so easy.

A lot of people just want to reflexively just cast people who like in palestine as being like yeah well you know like they voted for hamas so that means they're bad and it's that simple and that really is so difficult to have to sit through because to your point this is all happening while innocent people are suffering under that and as many people want to say well well, they're voting for, they voted for Hamas. Well, then what's happening in the West Bank? Because Hamas is not in power in the West Bank. The PA is, you know, and like, and so where's that argument now? Because we're only seeing increased violence there as well. But, you know, it, the, the, the, again, it's always this, this lack of humanity that's extended to these people in such a like casual way is really unnerving because, you know, it, it makes me feel

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And this comes fresh off the heels of an extremely damning investigation from Reuters. Of an extremely damning investigation from Reuters, they uncovered, quote, over 600 previously undisclosed workplace injuries at SpaceX facilities since 2014. This is including everything from like cuts, lacerations, fucking head injuries to amputations. People have been in comas and tragically even death. One employee apparently died recently after sitting on some cargo that was being hauled on a trailer with no straps. And the guy said, oh, no straps. I'll just lay on top of this insulation so we can get it from point A to point B. And hopefully my body weight will keep this from blowing off the fucking truck. Trag tragically a gust of wind blew him and the insulation off and he was unfortunately he was killed like he was pronounced dead at the scene

osha basically like i think or any anyone who just heard what happened uh found that spacex had failed to protect the employee from what they say was a clear hazard. But it turns out like that's just kind of just a sample of how bad some people are getting injured there. One man was smacked in the head while they were testing an engine in 2022. Apparently, like they were doing a pressure test of a Raptor V2 rocket engine. That's a tongue twister. And like like a piece of the rocket blew off and fractured the skull of employee Francisco Cabada, and it put him in a coma. And reportedly, SpaceX has, quote, ignored the family's attempts to find out why he wasn't protected.

And just I know I said 600 injuries since 2014, but it's really important to note that that is only a portion of the total case count because while OSHA requires companies to report injuries annually since 2016, SpaceX facilities have, quote, failed to submit reports for most of those years. So this is like when things were just bad enough. And like the punishments are, as we say all the time, fines don't deter billionaires, especially when the fines are a few hundred dollars to $7,000. Like the fine for the guy who lost his life, they only had to pay a $7,000 fine for that. And it's not like, you know, I know people be like, well, maybe working on rocket ships

is like a fucking hazardous gig. Not like when you compare this to the space industry average, they are blowing records out. So in 2022, the injury rate at their Brownsville facility in Texas was 4.8 injuries or illnesses per 100 workers. That's six times higher than the space average industry of 0.8 per 100 workers and the reason for this this is where elon comes in is fucking elon and his hatred of like regulations like he believes that employees should quote be responsible for protecting themselves how i'm sorry how does that work and also like when he would go to do like safety visits to sites he would tell people please take he didn't want people wearing safety yellow vests because he

dislikes bright colors and for fuck's sake would also be like walking around sometimes with one of his dumb ass flamethrowers during a fucking safety visit like what are you talking about people think this guy's a genius by the way i know i know it just shows you what like hair plugs and a few billion dollars can do and suddenly you're the new fucking with tony stark or whatever the fuck it is he also doesn't like airbags on cars because they're too round he said too so he doesn't want them seatbelts seatbelts will wrinkle your shirt actually so i don't like yeah yeah do away with them it's an aesthetic thing what are you gonna say sarah oh no i was i was gonna say i

have a uh my a chapter in my book this is a joke i had about how like when we were at google like we had like an ergonomic chair to protect your body while your soul was dying inside because like they were so obsessed with ergonomics they were so obsessed with ergonomics. They were so obsessed with carpal tunnel syndrome. They didn't want us to get carpal tunnel. They didn't want our posture to be bad. They had standing desks so we could stand and sit. You know, it was so, they were so obsessed with us protecting our bodies. And so like, this is wild to me, the trajectory of tech in general. I feel like, yeah, this is bad for SpaceX and Elon, but I think a lot of industries, they've really started to care less about worker health in

general. Oh, I'm sure. I mean, I think, yeah, because like Google and places like that, it seems a little insidious too, because they're like, no, we need you healthy so we can get every motherfucking ounce of life out of that corpse. Yeah. All the perks that were there were so that you would stay, you know, so that you wouldn't leave the corpse. Yeah, all the perks that were there were so that you would stay, so that you wouldn't leave the building. Yeah, it's like when people talk about how they make Wagyu beef, and they fatten them up,

they give them massages, they spit beer into their coats and rub it in, so they get to the point that their flesh is worth more than any other meat out there. Right. Right, right, right. It's for the slaughter. It's for the slaughter.

So apparently, Elonk defends this attitude because like in tech it's always like move fast and break skulls or i think that's break everything oh break everything yeah break every bone in your body he says because spacex is quote on an urgent quest to create a refuge in space from a dying please can you go do that can you you go first? Like, put him there first. And him and Grimes can populate Mars. Yeah, exactly. Right. And those other weird billionaires who are like,

I need my sperm everywhere. All the billionaires, yeah. Or the guy who's using his kid's blood to keep him young. Like, have him go there as well. Yeah, please. That's fun. There's no amount of therapy. Yeah, we actually need refuge from billionaires. So yeah, please go there

because actually I believe with all the private flights and stuff, like the top 1% are going on. I think that would help tremendously along with other things. But anyway. I guess they don't have a union. I guess SpaceX and any of Elon's companies, none of those workers are unionized.

Yeah. I wonder, is there a space? I bet not, because I mean, I don't think you would ever allow that. Yeah, right. Yeah. I feel like anyone would. Yeah. They're like, I'm so proud to be hostile towards unions is usually like the take of these kinds of guys. Sarah, I thought you were asking if there was a billionaires union where it's like we've unionized this billionaires so we can have our rights finally acknowledged by society dude i think that's literally in our future that's gonna happen it is that it feels like it oh yeah it says employees were were fired for speaking up about Elon Musk or talking about, you know,

okay. So that sounds like, yeah, par for the course, par for the course, par for the course. But yeah, like also because of this,

like rush to get us to fucking Mars also meant to like employees have been taking like Adderall without prescriptions to like be able to fucking pull like wild hours and then falling asleep in bathrooms. Also to speed up the work, the company has literally been getting workers to weld rocket parts in a tent on the beach. And then like, when the beach got too hot, they just hooked the people up to an IV and then sent them right back out there. And also in this like tent welding shop, apparently when the wind was blowing, they had to, they had to shut the flaps and basically enclose everyone in a tent with

like carcinogenic dust so it's all very it's all very uh it's all very Elon um so we'll see what happens this is wild this is a billion dollar company and they're treating employees like this this is I mean I I totally expect it in the Congo where they're trying to get diamonds out and stuff like that or whatever. But that model, it's yeah, you are merely automatons meant to help us generate capital. What is the end game? OK, what's the end game? OK, so we have all of these people addicted to social media that's not working and they're all upset and their jobs are killing them. Like there's not going to be anybody left to buy the products that you're making. Okay. There's going to be no one around. Everybody's going to be gone. We're all going to be dead. So what's the end game. You're going to build robots

to buy your products. Like you're going to build robots to make your products. And then you're going to build robots to buy your products. And it's just going to be all robots, I guess. I guess. Or, or it's the other one where they're like, well, you know, AI is going to be doing a lot of the work. So that's why, like, you know, you hear the very, like, cynical version of like, we need UBI. We need a universal basic income. And that's not because they believe that people like we should just move to that and give like we have a basic income to live off of. But because you're like, but then when the fucking robots or AIs take their livelihood, they'll still have a little scratch to give back to us in the form of consumerism or something like that.

It's all, it all works out in a very dark way or they're just, they build their fucking bunkers in New Zealand and are like, I'll hide. We had a guest on a couple of weeks ago, Douglas Rushkoff, who like would talk to the billionaires who like build bunkers. And the way they talk is all like,

how do I get them to not want like rebel against me? Like, and take all the food? Can I like put like a like a detonator on their throat or something to keep them in control? And they're like, you actually haven't thought any of this through like, you're, you're so they're scared that their workers are going to rebel. So they're figuring out a way to have their workers. So in the context of the apocalypse bunker, like where they said they have like some billionaires are like, I have a team of like, Oh,

the military, like the people who protect the people who will inevitably protect and labor for the billionaires in an apocalypse bunker. They're like, do I like make the code to the food? Something only I know. So that way, if i die they also don't get anything and it's also like it's i mean and to your point sarah it's that way of

thinking that somehow helps you aggregate the kind of wealth to be a billionaire and also makes you a not human so oh my god and that's why that's why like zuckerberg and all these guys are trying to build this like city this like city that no one else can get into this like commune because they know this shit is going to hit the fan yeah or that or precisely that like they know at the end of the day it's like this relentless pursuit of wealth and making the lineup go in infinitely is only destroying the earth destroying the fabric of our society and they're like i don't know we're responsible for it. But at the same time, let's build a thing to insulate ourselves from it. Yeah. The good thing is like every man for himself kind of mentality.

I mean, the good news is those plans will not work. Like it feels like no matter what you do, because even the people who are like, I don't build this and I'll build that and blah, blah, blah. It's like, okay, well, what if a part goes out for your HVAC? You know what I mean? You have no AC. Do you have someone on staff that can like manufacture the part goes out for your HVAC? You know what I mean? You have no AC. Do you have someone on staff that can like manufacture the part

that you would need to fix it? Or do you have someone with that capability? And they're like, oh, I don't know. And then what if that has a knock-on effect on your grow house that you say will provide your food? Because if that isn't temperature controlled, then what do you do? And then if you don't have the food growing

or the water purification system, not just for you, but for your plants, and then they start going like. This is very helpful. I do plan to be a billionaire, so it's good to know all this stuff going in. Yeah, yeah. Just that's why I just, yeah,

just be one of those people that no one wants to, like the first person they think of when the shit goes down, like, you know who I'm going to pay a visit to? Right. Yeah, just be on the good side, please. I'll be on the good side. Also, maybe just like be a billionaire,

but like don't tell anybody that you're a billionaire. That's probably a better way to do it. Yeah. Secret billionaire. I like the idea that in this billionaire city, there's still like a version

of a poor billionaire where, oh, you only have 1.5 billion. It's like you hear like Carl has an above ground bunker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In. Yeah. In Michigan?

It's in Michigan. Oh, my God. He didn't get to New Zealand? Oh, poor guy. Poor guy. Because that's the other spot everyone's looking at is Michigan. Because all that fresh water. But anyway, let's move on to something just to wrap this show up.

Something a little more pleasant. Andre Three Stacks. Andre 3000. wrap this show up something a little more pleasant andre three stacks andre 3000 he is releasing his fucking debut solo album true there's like just just me doing my thing this is andre benjamin here i am the album is called new blue sun and before like myself i was like oh my god andre's back yes yes gotta let you know years right yeah it's been so long flew by um this man this is again this album is quote entirely made up of instrumental woodwind music it's just him on the flute which i'm like that makes sense i've seen him like he's always like i've seen i feel like most of the videos i've seen of him recently

are playing some kind of flute which so people wouldn't be totally shocked. I apparently I didn't realize that the track She Lives in My Lap, he played flute on that. Like he's playing woodwinds on that. Yeah. And also Where's the Catch with James Blake. He played woodwinds. So I was like, oh, I had no idea. I was not familiar with your game, sir.

And there was like a couple viral clips of him playing like a flute in the airport but it's funny because like i think he knows how much his fans like love him as a rapper vocalist and he's like a little apologetic like the first track of the album is this is the literal track of the first album quote this track one i one. I swear, I really wanted to make a rap album, but this is literally the way the wind blew me this time. It's the first track. And he said, even on the cover, there's even a label that says,

warning, no bars. Just to let you know, there will be no, you will not hear his voice. You will just hear, maybe you'll hear a breath here and there as he's playing. But I'll take it. I love it. I mean, yeah.

I think it's sweet. I think it's, yeah, I think it's cute. Like, let him do his thing. He's not bait and switching anyone. You know, let him play his woodwinds. Yeah. I think it also, at this point, too, like, it's been so long where I i've like i stopped holding my like i i caught them when they had like a reunion tour like in 2014 i was like i was there for that i saw that

i got my fill but also it's nice because i feel like so much of that work is like it's perfect i'm like yep don't i don't we don't need to augment this if you want to sure go ahead like you know like i like big boys other projects that he does, but with like Andre, I'll yeah. He's always been so vibey that I'm like, I can't get mad. And I feel like most people feel the same way. Like I know some people, but whatever. I just, I, as an artist, it's so brave to do something so completely different.

I mean, it really is. It's very inspiring. And it's also, it's also just like the, like that just little bit of consideration for his fans who know him as a rapper vocalist or he's like yeah like the first track i swear i really wanted to make a rap album but this is literally the way the wind blew me this time i'm like that's fine and he's really funny yeah but yeah i mean i am i don't know what the music i personally have never listened to an album of just woodwind instruments

ever in my life but maybe this will start a whole new trend i don't know yeah i i feel like i want to see him and lizzo do like a little thing oh yeah a lot of flutes a lot of flutes going down yeah i think we'll see i mean i i've seen people say they've heard bits and pieces of it i'm not sure like if maybe they're at a listening party or something like that, but it's, I don't know. I mean, from the people who claim to have hear it,

they're like, it's, it's pretty cool. It's like trippy. And I'm like, all right, I'm going to get high and listen to it. Yeah.

I couldn't imagine Andre. Like he comes out, he's just playing like hot cross buns with no backing track. Not good. Yeah. Motherfucker playing a recorder. The fuck is this? Then I might feel like, bro bro you had a lot of time

to fucking get that recorder right but i mean i think this will start a resurgence of recorder interest yeah i remember i had a recorder we all wasn't it like was recorder not like like a part of the curriculum for a certain yeah did you play recorder blake yeah that was my primary instrument. Yeah. No, I'm serious. I'm serious. Did you have to play recorder?

No bit. Yes, I did. Like that was because we had music class and I think that was the only instrument because we had to buy it ourselves, I remember, but it was in terms of instruments, the most, you know,

affordable instrument that you could possibly get. So yeah, no no we played like b-a-g b-a-g like that was uh hot cross buns of course everybody you fucking that's the first track you learn on that shit is hot cross buns that's right you know what i mean but apparently i didn't realize that like it's the like, too, is that it helps like with creative thinking skills like finger dexterity. Oh, my God. I didn't know that.

Yeah. I was like, what the fuck? I was like, my teacher is just a weirdo making us play this shitty plastic flute. But no, there's it turns out there is a reason there's more than just Mary had a little lamb. I'll have to look into it. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show. It means the world to Miles.

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