The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 301 (Best of 11/27/23-12/1/23)

Episode Date: December 3, 2023

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It's bigger than a flag or mascot. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Well, Miles, here we are on the final day of November, and we are joined by one of the greats, a writer, one of the best podcast hosts and executive producers doing it. You know him from stuff they don't want you to know. You know him from Ridiculous History.

Please welcome the brilliant, the talented Ben Bowler! Bowler! Holy smokes! I got my own, I got my own, a.k.a. Baked In, courtesy of Mr. Miles Gray. I appreciate you guys for having me back. I see Ben Bowling.

You see that? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Nothing but net. A little dip set hit. Yeah. A.k.a. A.k.a.

Wandering Wizard of Wisdom. That's Brandon Falls. A.k.a. Bending Over Backwards with Benevolence, Sir Ben Bolin. I took a cue from you guys and I went on Twitter, XFK Twitter. No, it's Twitter. No, no, no.

It's Twitter. Yeah, the same. In this house, we believe it is called Twitter. Okay. This is by far, I think, the most conservative take the three of us are going to have for a while. Yes. It's Twitter. We honor the past in this house.

Yeah, exactly. By saying it's still Twitter. As long as I can type Twitter into the little window and it go to Twitter, that's what it's called to me. Could you imagine when's that day coming when they completely nuke that URL? They won't, right? They can't. Because then someone else can just? They won't, right? They can't. Because then someone else can just swoop it up, right? That is.

Yeah. And Elon Musk has never done anything that's bad for business, so I don't think it's going to happen. Not once, not never. Miles, did you notice something about Ben's AKA? When he asked his listeners for AKAs, they were very deferent and were like, We honor you, sir. You are a wizard. You are wise. And our dang listeners

are out here writing AK after AK about that one time that I pissed my pants. Allegedly. Allegedly. I'm pretty sure I didn't even piss my pants. My pants just were wet somehow after I went on Scary Ride. I'm pretty sure I didn't even piss my pants. It was just my pants just were wet somehow after I went on scary ride.

Yeah. You're pretty sure. You're like, yeah, clear. I think I don't think it was really. I think I think I got pranked by my young nephew. You know, he was right next to me. I come off. My pants are wet.

I didn't feel myself pee my pants. And I used to do that shit all the time when I was drinking. So, you know know i have some with the awareness of liam neeson too yeah i just learned about that is that true yeah i mean there's so many pictures of liam neeson having pissed himself yeah yeah to a degree that it just seemed like at a certain point he was just like yeah i'm famous enough that i don't have to go to the bathroom. He has such confidence. Yeah.

He has such confidence in the pictures. He's like. Yeah, I take pictures of people with jacked piss standing. That or just completely like eyes half open, like leery-eyed. You wouldn't even know that he even knew the concept of urinating in a toilet. So who knows? Taking a piss in his pants. It was more like.

Yeah, I'm taking the piss. Yeah, I'm taking a piss and his pants is more like more like yeah yeah i'm taking the piss yeah i'm taking taking a piss in my pants i like i like that that hypothetical conversation because somebody has just said hey it's taken which i i like the idea that you're calling him taken oh that's where you went with it hey taken yeah i'm taking i'm taking a piss in my pants my trousers i thought you meant the idiom in british english of taking the piss like if you're fucking around they're levels taking the piss yeah i didn't know now we Are you taking the piss? Yeah, I didn't know. Now we got taken, taking the piss, taking up. Wow.

Anyway, this is what they come here for. That's what they're here for. You're a certain set of skills. Yeah. Exactly. Yes, exactly. A very particular set of skills. Particularly useless.

Yes. What is something from your search history? We talked about this yesterday, and I showed Carmen my search history, and she was a little appalled. So I think we should go with the easy one. Well, here's the thing. I saw some of the stuff in Janie's search history and it got me to start searching some of the stuff in Janie's search history because I was curious.

What the fuck is she talking about? So something that Janie searched that I also searched She had never seen gay porn before. Wait, what? They do what to one another on camera? I typed in

Janie, pull this up. Guy can't stop ejaculating. Now, I... That's even a thing you can search? Yes. I thought I was going to get like a link to like a Pornhub video

or like something hot. But I actually got a link to like news program shorts about this guy who literally has like a hundred orgasms a day. And it's actually kind of heartbreaking and really sad. Oh man. Yeah. You got something way darker. Yeah. I got something way darker. Do we get to meet him in the news clip? Yes. Oh, wow. What is his comportment like?

You get to meet her because she transitioned. Wait, what? What? Jamie, what? Yes. Yeah. So she transitioned and it actually has helped her. I don't know.

I think part of it is she was like, yeah, my sisters would would put me in dresses and I was like, I kind of like it. And I believe that for on face value, but more so, I think that taking estrogen reduced, like it stopped her compulsive orgasms from happening or it like made it a lot better. Wow. So, yeah. Oh, Christine, I didn't even see they updated the they updated yeah she's serving she looks good she's serving oh god oh i remember this the video is really funny though oh the video dale decker this poor person from a rare and seemingly incurable condition that leads to him suffering up to 100 unwanted orgasms a day. I mean, they seem powerful.

Yeah, very powerful orgasm. Like you can't, that's probably like some shit that you could... Doubled over on the ground whilst playing Frisbee. Yeah, he was just trying to play frisbee at the time. This is a very funny part where it's, I mean, it's so fucked up. But like, he's saying that like, you might think it's not that bad just having orgasms all the time. But when you're at your dad's funeral looking over his casket and you're just busting your pants. Like, damn, that's so funny. Just straight busting. your pain yeah like damn that's so funny

did not use the phrase but that's my okay that's your editorial yeah blowing my beans in my pain throwing ropes on my dead dad just silly stringing the guy.

Yeah, in that case, yeah, like it's causing more trauma than even needed. It's like, I didn't need to have that in my visual view as I'm having an orgasm. But hey, well, good to know that she's, you know, on the right path now and less, having less

debilitating orgasms. Yeah. Absolute Hall of Fame search history, by the way. Wow, thanks. Shout out to the show Seeking Derangements for putting me onto the guy who can't stop ejaculating video. Wow.

My first thought was someone get her some SSRIs because the second she gets on some Lexapro or some Prozac, orgasms be gone. Dull it down. Yeah. I believe that was the original name of the product, Prozac, when it was first introduced was orgasm be gone. Nut killer. Goo gone. They're like, oh, that's taken.

Coming too much? Right. Janie, is there something from your search history? I mean, obviously that was from your search history. I mean, that was the top one from my search history. Okay, that's great. Let's leave. It's unbeatable.

Yeah, we have to put that on a shrine. That's on a pedestal for now. That's on a pedestal. Yeah. What's something you think is overrated? Overrated. Oh, okay. With the headband and shit? I'm not trying to...

He does, man. Wow. I guess maybe it's perfectly rated. Okay, but here's... I think champagne is overrated. Maybe I've said this before on the show, but it is too sweet, always. Gets you too drunk always. And it's just it's too expensive, I guess. And it's stupidly seen as like a status symbol. I think right in is gross. Yeah, I prefer an abrupt was it a brute. So what's the sparkling red? See, this is another Italian moment. I always wondered if there was a sparkling red. There is.

No, there is, there is. And you can have it chilled too. And I used to get, oh man. No, Abruzzo is the region of Italian. Lambrusco, Abruzzo, Lambrusco. Excuse me, I'm sorry. Lambrusco is, fuck yeah. Lambrusco greater than champagne.

Yeah, for sure. I'm just not that into champagne. No, it is interesting too how it is like the default drink for being like, and here we are. Get the champagne. Like, we still have this, the momentum of like cracking open barrels of champagne from like centuries ago. Like, have you ever gotten drunk on champagne? It's the most like. Yeah, it was puking the whole time.

It's like it gives you acid reflux immediately. Yeah. And if it's not like, that's why the whole bottomless mimosa thing, hell no. One of my Valentine's Day with my ex went to a bottomless champagne Valentine's Day. I was like, oh, this will be cute. Found it on Eventbrite. Never do that. Uh-oh, yeah. I ended the night having puked in a doorway of a bank and then crying in the shower about how I ruined Valentine's Day. Day was so perfect and so champagne.

And champagne doesn't, you're just the steep climb to being drunk and then it'll drop you super quick. No one has a good champagne drunk story. Like no one's ever like, I love champagne because every time I drink blood, everyone's like, man, I fucked up again. I went to a fucking bottomless mimosa brunch, the hip hop, the trap brunch again.

We drank nine bottles of Wyclef, the fucking cheap ass sparkling wine, and I'm fucking sick in fucking Koreatown again. Like, I imagine champagne is good if it's, and I guess maybe, what is it, Don Perriott or something? Or like Mum or what's the other? Like, I guess if it's top, top, top, top. Mumford & Sons.

Yes, Mumford & Sons. If it's top tier, and that's why I guess if you spend you know thousands of dollars on a really incredible bottle or i don't know what yeah then i think maybe it's good but 99 of the time it's bad combined with berry for some reason strawberries with champagne like those two complement each other better and like it doesn't didn't make sense to me that they would compliment each other as well as they do, but they, Bruno Mars.

Yeah. I get most of my culinary ideas from Bruno Mars songs. That's what you, that, that is what I like. Uh, this is what you like, bro.

This song's about me. Have you tried it though? Like, it's, I don't think I have. It like makes champagne taste way better for some reason. What is something that you guys think is underrated? Underrated.

Underrated? That's rare. What is underrated? I mean, I just started watching Will & Grace again from season one, but I don't feel like it's underrated. I don't think it's underrated i mean i just started watching will and grace again from like season one but i don't feel like it's underrated i don't think it's underrated it's a pretty popular successful show it was like yeah um you can start with overrated if that if that's if we want to work up to the underrated okay i'll i have one for this kind of I guess this is underrated and kind of a mix. I do think my underrated,

even though it's a really popular fast food chain of Popeyes, but I do think what's overrated is really different expensive types of fried chicken where I'm just like, I don't know how much better you can get, this $34 at a fancy restaurant? Is it going to be better than Popeyes? Yeah. They've kind of nailed it, haven't they? And the whole point of fried chicken is that it's

supposed to be cheap. It's cheap. It's like, why make it nicer than it is? I do think I like the Popeyes and it's so buttery and there's a flakiness to the skin that's really exciting. When I start getting into the bone territory on a Popeyes, I feel like I start to see the quality deteriorate. And those bones do make me a little uncomfortable.

And I think they can be brittle. They can be colors that don't feel super health forward. To quote the marin morris song if the bones are good right so you're saying the bones are i'm saying that the bones aren't so good and it's kind of like it's one of those things or you know how you can feed like raw chicken to a dog and it can eat it bones and all like i don't know if the raw chicken they're using at popeyes is even is totally like doggable i worry about those bones breaking and hurting my dog's trachea not that i would ever own a dog that's what's overrated in my opinion is dogs you got there

dog ownership thank you yeah there you go that's that was the journey yeah so you i'm just having do you want a sturdy bone in your uh fried chicken are you saying when i want to when i get to the bone i want like a gorgeous piece of porcelain under there. You want a gorgeous gleaming kind of... Yes. Bone colored bone. I want a bone colored bone. Some sort of alabaster sculpture

that I could mount on the wall. Right. You want like a cartoon bone. Like that one. And it's like a perfect skeleton. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't have to be like such a massive femur but it sounds very cool it out of his mouth with two hands

how clean are your bones when you're done with fried chicken by the way i would say with wings i'm cleaning them hard i take great great pride in the cleanliness of my bones that it's just just bone no grizzle hell yeah after a lifetime growing up as as a white uh american where i'm leaving so much grizzle on the bone and then my wife was like what the fuck are you doing? This is allyship right here. This is amazing. She was like, this is, I can't let you continue on like this. And now we have clean bones and I take great pride.

That's what marriage does. That's right. It makes you a better person. And that also feels like a dating, like, you know, 20 signs, like, you know, a guy is going to be good in bed. They're like, go out for wings. Like, if he eats the whole wing, like, you know 20 signs like you know a guy is gonna be good in bed they're like go up for wings like if he eats the whole wing like you know like he knows how to go down yes ladies

my friend married a white guy and she was sending us pictures of his plates from their honeymoon complaining about how he didn't clean various meats off of various bones. It could not have been a worse sign. I've never seen something more terrible. Literally from Hawaii. It was amazing. Sounds like he wasn't eating the chicken or her.

I assume they're divorced? They're together for now. He was updated. We're keeping our eye on them. Yeah. I'm just going to post a picture from the honeymoon when it all goes bad and just say,

we all knew this was going to go down. Right. We could tell from the jump. Yeah. I'm sure she'll appreciate that. Yeah. They use it, like, in divorce court. Mm-hmm. Yeah. She's getting everything are you kidding i would say i'm probably definitely more in the white stereotype of not getting all to the gristle

you know i feel like i get i get the i get the good parts but then i also might like you know hand the rest of it to a friend, you know, to a hungry friend. That's right. Or a boyfriend. I'm not above it. I guess being the hungry friend. You're so generous. When I'm around, I'll clean.

I had a, I went to a, one of those Japanese joints where they give you the whole shrimp and the shrimp heads were like grilled hard enough. And they brought a bowl for the shrimp heads. And I was like no no no we don't need that shit we're eating the heads we're all asian people here and all of my friends sold me out they're like actually i don't really so i had to eat like nine shrimp heads i thought i was gonna have like anaphylactic shock it was not good yeah you were like yeah literally like we are not pussies like we can do this and they. And they're like, no, I would take the bowl. And you're like, okay.

That's crazy. I love shrimp heads. I love eating head on shrimp. Even when you're, like, not supposed to. I'll eat the whole damn head. Yes. With all the little antenna and the eyes and everything. They're so good.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We're back. And let's get into some news. And by news, I, of course, mean just look at the dumb shit that people are talking about on TikTok. Right. You know, it's a good indicator.

I mean, last time we had a talk because people were like, they're all worshiping Bin Laden. You're like, they're not. But thank you for trying to make that a thing. That's what I thought you were going to bring up when you said TikTok. Oh, no, no. We're talking specifically. There's just like a few articles that I was reading. And I was like, wow, like the new thing right now is just terrible terrible dating advice or like how like relationship

advice but that's like the fun thing about tiktok is you get to watch younger people discover things from the past like it's a fucking gold mine like i remember videos like have you heard of rage against the machine you're like yeah no go on go on what or like you know sometimes they find out about an artist like or a forgotten activist and things like that. But other times it's like apparently they stumbled on men are from Mars. Women are from Venus. A book that came on 1992 and like like takes their like they're taking shit out of that book and be like, yo, this is like the source code of the Matrix. And it's like it's true. It's to the point that the book is back on the bestseller charts.

This is the one that is filled with, you know, just regressive gender essentialist garbage. But hey, this is what the kids are feeling right now. And if you look on TikTok, there are thousands of videos under the hashtags, hashtag dating advice or hashtag dating expert. But it may shock you to hear that some of these experts are in fact, not fucking

experts at all. They're just usually people that know how to farm clicks. Or a thing that I've been seeing a lot of, and we'll probably talk about this in an upcoming episode is like, there's like this aesthetic now that it's just pretending to be on a podcast. You know, like, where you see people in a room with a lot of thought. Yeah. And half the time, I'm like, yo, where are these shits charting? like i'm in podcasting i don't know this thing has a million views as a video but then you look it's like there is no podcast it's just like the visuals it's like the aesthetic now is being like these are people talking on microphone and i guess that lends an air of authority to it but yeah a lot

of the advice shouldn't by the way we should just say. Yeah. I'm just in my closet. You could just, yeah, you could just upload that shit and make it a podcast. Like I could, I could upload a voicemail and it would be a podcast. Right. Yeah, exactly. But a lot of the advice is like really bad. Like there's one coach saying like, you know, women like that, you need to lose weight before going out into the dating world or using like this really this terminology like high value male or high value female or Divine Feminine to sort of just like you know cloak the gender normativity and like stereotypes that like serve as this quote-unquote advice in it and you know

also shockingly this is advice is very anti-sex work like with quotes that are like men don't wife pole dancers or another one was so wild as like no one is going to the funeral of an only fans girl nobody cares like you're like actually all my subscribers will be there yeah exactly they will they will be my pallbearers exactly they will bring my body into the church and into the ground and or the other thing is like you know men are only there for financial gain and just doing it like so you don't need to worry about anything except for like the financial aspect of your relationship. And some actual experts in dating and sociology are pointing to the fact that like online dating has made things pretty bleak for younger people, especially if they're all of their dating

experiences begin and end with like using apps. And it's just, it basically turns your relationship into a game where you're just swiping to find like the more better resourced like pokemon card basically like as you go through and as a as a result it leaves people feeling like like they're expendable because their attitude is like that towards dating some are also saying it could be a reaction to like just you know the general malaise of capitalism that like many people are burnt out by like stagnant wages or like living with parents or things like that so there's a certain appeal to this idea of like a rich partner who could just come in and completely change everything yeah yeah and like fuck a relationship that makes a ton of sense to me yeah yeah like it's like nah man fuck

a relationship like i need to fucking i'm i'm so ground down from toiling yeah like i'm only going to look for people who are going to provide X, Y, and Z, and that's what my calculus is. Just get me off this treadmill, however I can do it. Yeah, it's all so bleak. I feel like what you're describing, I'm not familiar with this book, but this sounds like it's very part part and parcel with like the rise of like andrew tate yeah and like like jordan peterson and stuff like that and i feel like there's like there's always like a search and like more like right wing like reactionary viewpoints to like

have some kind of like intellectual legitimacy to like why you're like why you're misogynist, why you're racist, why you're homophobic. There's always a search to find, oh, see, this fucking quack doctor said women are more prone to gathering and men are more prone to hunting and whatever. like gathering and men are more prone to hunting and you know whatever and i feel like this book could just be another extension of that because i mean andrew tate isn't really like he's influential but he's not like a scholar and i feel like this could be like just a way to kind

of like graft on that viewpoint to like an intellectual like oh see these are my sources you know yeah in this i think it's in the exact same way i i also think the same thing with like jordan peterson but jordan peterson is like a whiny canadian man with like a nails on chalkboard voice that can't stop crying. So I feel like he's not as revered as he once was. What are you talking about? That was a terrible Jordan Peterson. Well, because like they're all kind of boiled down to being like, like if you're sort of distilling it to a very like harmless view,

it's like they'll saying like, we're just telling people to not settle. Like that's what it all boils down to. But then you really dig into it and it's like, well, no, we're just telling people to not settle like that's that's what it all boils down to. But then you really dig into it and it's like, well, no, we're actually learning how to categorize people, look at them completely differently and then operate from that place. And to your point, like there are just as many like like these sort of like anti-feminist dating type guru people that exist like outside of Andrew Tate. Like you think of like Pearl Davis. Oh, fresh and fit. Yeah, exactly. The list goes on.

Yeah. A lot of these videos are sort of entertaining purely for the fact and I'm sure a lot of people are just watching it for like outrage clicks. Like it's not you know, half of it is people going Oh, I wonder if that's true. And other people like this is so fucking backwards. Like what are y'all talking about? That's why I say a lot of the people are just really good at farming clicks. But like they're just some of them are just like funny because it'll be like tips on like

manipulation. Like it's like how to not appear jealous. Like if clicks but like they're just some of them are just like funny because it'll be like tips on like manipulation like it's like how to not appear jealous like if you if you're calling somebody and then like if you're calling a guy like in a very like cishet relationship and you don't want to come off as insecure and they call back and say oh how come you like i missed your call or why did you call you can say oh i was actually rather than saying you were checking in say that you had a flat tire and you needed their help. But another man actually helped you do that. And you no longer need their help.

Or like just weird shit that's sort of like how to make people more dependent on you. It's super fucking wild. Right. Don't treat them like a human. Right. Yeah. Every time I call my boyfriend, I make up something horrible that just happened to me. And I say, well, actually, another guy came and fixed it for me.

Sorry about it. Oh, my God. That is genius. And we've been going strong for eight years. So, you know, you should try it. No, I'm kidding. Oh, well, here's a question I may have. Does your boyfriend pass the orange peel theory test?

Do you know about this? Of course. Tell me about the orange peel theory. Oh, my God. You don't know the orange peel theory? Oh, oh my gosh how do you know you're in a good relationship carmen unless you know about the orange peel theory so this is another thing that's blowing up like it has a ton of views under this hashtag about a again young people being like oh this this actually makes sense the i i'm just gonna play the orange peel theory for you right now so you can get an idea of how it's being discussed on TikTok. Everybody's talking about the orange peel theory.

If you don't know what that is, the orange peel theory basically describes that when your partner does an act of service for you, that's something that you are perfectly capable of doing on your own. And this is for really small stuff. Like, for example, peeling an orange. Let's say that for whatever reason, I hate peeling my oranges, but I really like oranges. I asked my partner, hey, babe, would you mind peeling this orange for me? And they can either respond with, of course, love, like not a problem at all. Or they can say, no, you are perfectly capable of peeling that orange yourself. Or maybe my partner already knows that I really don't fuck with citrus and has the orange already peeled and prepared for me.

Either way, their response is indicative of much bigger things than just weirdly peeling an orange. Because even just a super tiny thing like that reveals so much about their attitude toward you and your relationship. So much about relationships is this small thing. So yeah, that's what they're going on about is the orange. It says everything about you

if you don't do it. Which is so one-dimensional. And I'm like, oh, y'all. Y'all are in for a wild ride. I want my partner to be like a terrified personal assistant who is always trying to anticipate what I want three hours ahead and just have peeled fruits of various kinds laying in front of me. That's the only way for me. And that's how I'm good to have a relationship. Or that like acts of service is the only real metric for understanding how a partner values you like yeah if dumb if

like if you dumb relationships down to that level people will have no way to actually understand what matters in a relationship like can you like they'll be like yeah oh yeah they cheat on me all the time but i have never had to peel an orange the entire time. So, ah, who's laughing now? It's just like a very- I think we need to go back to the grapefruit theory, which is you take a grapefruit and you- And you use the grapefruit. The time-honored video.

Yeah. Yeah, do you really love, do you know how to work this grapefruit? That's the true measure of love is the grapefruit theory. But like, I get to like, I think it's like one of those things too, where these younger people like learning about like love languages and like the one that like resonates with them. It's like, Oh yeah, the actual service with, and then just completely just like hooking

onto that without really beginning to understand what matters to you or being able to articulate that. Like, sure. I get that if you're being very narrow and being like, they won't do this, they might not care about other things. But that is such a very myopic way of looking at what will happen.

I want my partner to be realistic with me about like, like, no, bitch, you can do that yourself. Like, what? Yeah, right. Like, because there are times when I am being annoying. I'm very turned off by like forced helplessness shit like that. Like, yeah, I've hung out with couples where like one of them, usually the woman, just kidding.

But one of them in the relationship will will be like, just I don't know anything inane like, hey, can you grab me this? And it's like the thing that they want you to grab is like closer to them and it's like yes why do you need your partner to do at like i don't know like maybe i'm just more independently minded but i i just that is so grating to me like i hate it there have been moments where like i've had that in relationships too and like i i'm like you are capable like i sometimes i will sound like the orange too and like i i'm like you are capable like sometimes i will sound like the orange peel person like you can peel the orange yours the orange that you're holding that you decided to eat yeah i'm like i'm i'll i will i just don't really fuck with citrus

miles oh okay sorry sorry oh well then you shouldn't eat that shit no you know if he doesn't open the door for me it's fucking over okay like that like monster material that's goop behavior i do just want to say because we did we kind of talked about men are from mars women are from venus being like the intellectual intellectualization or like the sources for like this bullshit and the front of the book has like the author listed as John Gray, PhD. That PhD is from, is an unaccredited PhD from Columbia Pacific University, a now defunct correspondence institution, and then an honorary doctorate

for delivering a commencement speech. So, and like his main thing is he studied under like one of the yoga, like the original founders of yoga in the 60s and learned how to like kind of get into the spiritual guru bullshit that way. So he was rich. Because I've only seen documentaries of, yeah. Right. Yeah, exactly. I've only seen documentaries of yeah right yeah documentaries about how above board some of those yoga gurus have been yes exactly interesting interesting yeah

so it's always some motherfucker that's like a chiropractor that's like no listen i've got it all figured out right it's simple men are from mars women are from venus that's it any questions okay please stop asking me questions what do we think is like i i would love to be able to get ahead of this and just start feeding some of the like bullshit like what is the antiquated shit from our childhood miles from the 90s that we think is going to hit next on tiktok like because carmen and janie i know y'all are gen z that's why we said right y'all are gen z so i'm just curious right yeah yeah yeah but put yourself in the millennial mindset no fear like do we think like no fear philosophy like second place is the first loser like that that's like isn't that kind of

already like i have an idea i think it would be something like i i think all right so i've thought about this a little bit because there's always very significant like pendulum swings in between generations i think that like gen like like the millennials were very like sex positive and very like tumblery and like i i don't know there was like all the like pussy hat feminism and stuff like that yeah and now you see gen z is very like sex negative and sex repulsed and there's like we don't want to see sex scenes and yeah yes yes there's a new puritanism and i feel like that's a reaction to the previous generation's libertinism. So to answer your question, I think it would be something like bullying is good, actually, because that's just like because something like, yeah, adversity builds character.

And we've all been told that bullying is bad and that you shouldn't bully people. But maybe we should bring back smear the queer, which I'm personally fine with considering I'm the queer. Yeah. But yeah. You'll launder it in like phrases to be like, we actually need like shame is actually a very powerful tool that we're missing in our society. And that's how like, because that's how all this shit, it just comes reworded. And you're like, y'all are just talking about bullying. And like, y'all are just talking about like very lopsided relationships or whatever. It was like, no, I'm talking about the high value males on the earth or whatever. That feels like very much

like because I think we're seeing that legislated, like with all the transphobic and homophobic bills that are being passed around the country it's like it's an attempt to create like a like a legal framework of shaming like a like a certain group of people so i think there's like that i feel is like a thing that i feel like a lot of older people like these people just have no shame and like we need we need people people need to have a sense of shame for them to be able to act right or blah blah blah this that and the other. So, yeah, I mean, yeah. To your point, Jack, no fear.

T-shirts could be good. But I like Janie's point, too. The puritanical stuff might be coming back. Just straight up puritanism. Yeah, just wearing homespun clothing. Look at this wild sermon from Cotton Mather, you guys. This shit is fucking blowing my mind. We're also seeing like Gen Z like return to religion in a really big way.

Yes. With like trad. And I'm not saying that like that's necessarily inherently a bad thing. But with trad Catholicism like kind of coming back into fashion and stuff like that. It's been interesting to observe. That shit is very interesting to me because it's so like... Speaking of Shane.

I don't know. I mean, it's like the people that like promote this shit. It's like, you're not trad. You are on TikTok. Like, go have kids. Stop talking to me. Go practice the rhythm.

Like, it doesn't make sense that like if you're gonna be like who's that bitch like Pearl Davis that is always like the she's her whole thing is like women shouldn't vote and it's like alright bitch then shut up like

if your whole thing is women shouldn't have opinions then shut up bitch why am i listening to you like i i'm finding out about pearl davis uh in real time oh jack yeah oh boy oh she's awful she's fucking terrible although i think she went on pierce morgan's show and he absolutely like set her up like to kind of be like yeah yeah, I agree with you. And then absolutely just like tore her down. And she was like, what's happening?

I thought this was a friendly space for regressive ideas. Yeah. Wait, what? There's a very good like clip from that too, where there's like a woman she's talking to that's like, you know, like point counterpoint kind of thing. talking to that's like point counterpoint kind of thing. And the other guest on there brings up basically what I did or what I just said. So why have you, she's had an abortion before. You are already failing.

I mean, this is common with a lot of conservative shit where they fail to meet the standards that they set for everyone else. Like Ben Shapiro talking about masculinity. You're five foot two. Your voice sounds like you haven't hit puberty. Like, what the fuck are you saying? Like, yeah, but I bought this piece of wood at Home Depot and I in this bag. Look, I bought a poplar.

Yeah. Just working in the wood shop for this. at Home Depot. And it's in this bag. Look, I bought a piece of poplar. Just working in the wood shop. This magnificent piece of poplar. A piece of wood that's untouched. I love that video. We talked about this in me and Carmen's Barbie episode too. But there's, in his hour-long

destroys Barbie fucking video, he brings up how Hari Neff's the trans woman that's on Barbie is like, her voice is deeper than mine. It's like, that's not hard dog. Like, I don't know why you would post your L's like that. What happened to shame?

Right. What happened to shame? What happened to shame? Can I, I just thought of one more thing that could come back for Gen Z. And I hope this one, I hope this is the one, but I've been seeing a big research.

Tucker Carlson was very big on this, but like tobacco and like smoking and like nicotine being like good for you. And I, I hope that smoking cigarettes more. Yeah. That's awesome. Actual, like smoking smoking old-fashioned cigarettes. Old-fashioned cigarettes.

I love the emphasis on that. Melancholicity. Yeah, no, you don't need to charge those shits or anything. That's crazy. Yeah, right. Yeah. They're like, dude, that vape's going to kill you. Right, right, right.

They're like, dude, you know the rare earth metals? They got a mine for that battery for that vape, dude? All right, I like dude you know the rare earth metals they got a mine for that battery for that vape dude all right i'm gonna smoke this marlboro i do wonder what sort of below the surface like jujitsu has been happening to like with like the major tobacco companies like like we i think we just had oh yeah we were talking about how the surgeon general just came out and was like actually loneliness is worse for you than smoking cigarettes and i'm like was he paid by like first of all it's true second of all was he paid by the tobacco industry to say that shit right like that's nice i'll just start smoking yeah but with that that was what you know as somebody who recently quit nicotine like that,

that was what, what occurred to me. I was like, damn, so maybe I can just like smoke then because right. It's not that bad. Yeah. You're like,

I FaceTime with my boy. Every time I have a cigarette, it's all good. I've, I've heard that if you are able to quit by the age of like 35 then it will like basically like negate most of the like super negative effects by the time you get older so that's something my uncle would have said you can keep keeping keep chiefing those darts up until your 35th birthday. Chiefing darts.

Hard stop. JD, you got to be the new TikTok nicotine guru. Like, you're on Nick Talk. You're the most I'm on Nick Talk right now. Actually, you totally can. That could be a lane for 35 and you're fine. Here's the deal. How old are y'all?

You're good, dude. You got like 10 years that quit. Chief darts. Do y'all know about the um the the the tucker carlson clip i'm talking about where he's talking about how like uh weed makes you stupid and submissive unlike nicotine which opens your mind it's like that's so cool that's just so cool that someone thinks that first of all it's true weed is evil and nicotine is rad. So, I mean, a broken clock.

The great mind-expanding benefits of nicotine. Was he talking about it in relationship to menthol cigarettes? No. He's a huge vapor. Yeah. Tucker Carlson? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. like i'm pretty sure it's like just out of like the camera eyeline basically it's like all right we're breaking let me just fuck i get my fucking lightsaber but let me i think this let me play this clip because this seems like a tucker carlson nicotine take but let's see if this is the one why do they hate tobacco and it's not because it causes cancer they don't care about your health they closed the gyms during covet anyone who closed a gym during a pandemic that killed people who were fat clearly doesn't care about your health at all. They hate nicotine. They love THC. They're promoting weed to your children, but they're not letting you use tobacco or even non-tobacco nicotine

delivery devices, which don't cause cancer. Why do why they hate nicotine because nicotine frees your mind and thc makes you compliant and passive that's why they hate it it's a real threat to them hell yeah man because i knew all of bob marley's songs were like just assimilate and do what the state says like what the fuck are you talking about i love that. It's so forceful, Janie. Like, the idea is like, I'll tell you why they hate it. Because it's like, to say it with that force. To freeze your mind is so wild.

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episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We're back. just one more thing about that last segment don't don't seriously don't do the drinking game tool top if you that guy will drive you insane saying tool top i mean that you know you would die i mean tool top tool top he will kill you drugstore bottle drugstore bottle drugstore bottle drugstore bottle yeah i said tool top tool top tools i mean unbelievable my friend said i recommended the channel or my friend was watching it separately or something like because i have friends that like are into the same kind of stuff and she was like have you seen this and i was like yeah i watch it all the time she's like man that guy imagine i think she might have said like imagine a drinking game where

you said every time he says tool top, you die. Yeah. So I'm not the only one. Everyone who watches that channel is like, I kind of wish you would just if it is a tool top, you just put it to the side and not say it. Yeah. Because we're assuming it is. We know. Yeah.

Why don't you say when it's not a tool top? How about that? Only when it's not. That's like that's what I would say in the comments. I don't get in the comments like the guy guy rolling oh come on ass gem another you said tooltop fucking 43 times please respond please respond to the like my phone number you know like the old guy you know like an old guy in the youtube comments like i would respond i've read left 50 of these messages here's my phone number again.

What's the matter with you? Please, we need to discuss this urgently. I also want to talk to you about my divorce. You seem like you might know something about divorce. It's like Stan, but even sadder. Do you like Crosby, Stills, and Nash? Anyway, I'm getting off topic. Please stop saying tool top so much,

but also call me up. Chris, what's something you think is overrated or underrated? Okay, under quick just just a flat-out recommendation because i want to get to some stuff i mean i want to get you guys to get to some stuff underrated this great documentary about a jazz trumpeter on the criterion channel right now but i'm sure you can rent it from amazon or whatever but it's called i called him morgan and it's about jazz trumpeter lee morgan and first of all it's called I Called Him Morgan. And it's about jazz trumpeter Lee Morgan. And first of all, it's an absolutely beautifully made documentary. Beautiful. Like, I mean, like, like just to watch, like visually spectacular. And then the story is unbelievable. It's about a trumpet player who became a junkie, ended up on the street, was rehabilitated by this woman. And then this humongous twist sort of not a twist because it's a real story but like you know something unexpected happens wow but it's just a beautiful documentary and i watched it again last night and i probably watched this probably the third time i've watched it so that's on there last time you recommended a documentary all the beauty in the bloodshed was

one of my favorite things i'm glad so i'm glad i called him morgan is so beautiful and it's it's based on this guy who met this woman who was taking a class from him at like a community college in i can't mississippi or south carolina or somewhere and she was like in in her 50s or something and he just became friends with her and asked her what her history was and she just told him the story and he was like what you know like can i record you saying can i interview you and he had an audio cassette and this whole documentary is based around this audio cassette of this interview he got with this woman and if he hadn't taken the time to ask her where she came from because i think it was like maybe it was a musical appreciation class or something at a community college i'm probably getting that wrong but it was something

where he was like oh what makes you interested in jazz or something and then she told him this story and and lee morgan's music's incredible too and just also just getting into like how sad it is that you know the internet has shattered like culture to the point where there's no more like little ecosystems that exist like jazz was such a fucking awesome yeah in the 50s and 60s like 40s 50s 60s 30s whatever just like a place you know where i don't it's just an amazing place where where where you know yeah i don't know it's just yeah avant-garde musical exploration was like a lot of that was really happening like yeah and run by run by african-americans like fucking you know like like an unbelievable like a subculture like cultures different cultures like you know

yeah in the same country or i mean it doesn't matter you'll get it from the from the documentary it's a beautiful documentary so then the other little like local community colleges and city colleges yeah and that professor a little class there and the professor just said hey man what you're an older lady what are you doing taking this class or whatever she's like well this happened and he's like oh my god and then he has this one dusty cassette and they show him in his house the professor guy with dreadlocks and stuff and his he has the dustiest boom box it made me like i was like my god this makes me feel better about how dusty my shit is i mean he has the dustiest tape and the dustiest boom box i ever saw and right and like the only things that don't have dust on it are the play pause stop button and volume and unbelievable unbelievable

i mean the thing was like coated in dust so overrated i was just going to say federal politics as opposed to local federal politics at this point is just like a full-on distraction of people just yelling at each other they're not even legislating so everything should be local everybody should be invested in local politics and state state politics and that's just a tie-in to like talking about i have this new thing on npr in nashville which we can talk about later through the through the election i kind of ended up on an npr show a local npr show with a with my own like little feature called nashville confidential with chris crofton and it's on uh

it's on twice a month on this uh daily show here in nashville called this is nashville but it's it's on npr you know so i'm like yeah i'm like reaching a lot of people yeah so i did a whole one about my election that comes out tomorrow and it's 25 minutes long so for 25 minutes i'm going to be the only thing on national NPR. Oh, wow. Which is pretty amazing. I mean, it's a million person sort of reach. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. That's a big universe of listeners. Radio is still real, man. Still reaching people. And I love hearing that, Chris. But so where's our cut? Well, you know, we can talk about that off the air. Some dude that's so wait so just new phone who this from when you were like obviously you were getting a lot of attention because you're so outspoken and

of completely shattering the mold of like yeah no person pursuing office like that like just by virtue of that they were like hey we would love to hear more from you is that kind of how it worked out well it was really through the book originally but when i came back to nashville i was a featured author at the southern festival of books which is what i used as like my sort of goal date to be back in nashville from la because i was dragging my feet about just like fucking packing right so i was like i have to be back in nashville by october 16th for this southern festival of books which i you can only imagine what i had in my head that i was going to ride it on an elephant yeah get given the keys to the city or something. Instead, I spoke in an upstairs conference room at the library to like 11 people, two

of which were my mom and my brother. All right. It's actually a pretty good turnout for it. Yeah, it was like, I forgot it's like books. So you know what's going to come. So unless you're like Oprah or whatever. But after it was over, I met this woman who ran the show. This is Nashville, which was this new it's like the flagship.

They're trying to basically make a show in Nashville that would maybe even be picked up nationally. It's called This is Nashville. It's a live five day a week at noon talk show, call in show, having guests live. It's live. That's the main thing. It's like a live daily show. They fired the lady who originally got me involved in the show. She was the executive producer.

So it was like this big thing. I was not a part of the show at that point. I had done one report for her. I ended up doing a report on Mule Day because I said to this woman, Andrea, she liked my book. So I said, hey, do you guys need a correspondent for the show that would do stuff that's kind of odd, like Mule Day or the catfish races in Paris, Tennessee, or the Bell Witch Cave? And she was like, I don't know what any of that is, because she had just come in to run that show from Kansas City. So I saw an opening because I was like, this is a person from Kansas City.

So she's not going to know this like Nashville stuff. So she was nice enough to bring me on for Mule Day, which you guys can find. I can share it somehow. When I post the show on my Instagram, I'll put links to it or whatever. But I've already promoted it on my show. But it's me going to Mule Day and interviewing people with just like a fucking Zoom recorder. What is Mule Day? It's a festival that's been going on since the 1840s in rural, like an hour outside of Nashville.

And it's just like a mule parade. And people camp out all week and they have cover bands and stuff. Got it. You know, it's just kind of a jamboree that I always read about when I lived here in the early 2000s. And I wonder what it was about. So anyway, the new guy, the guy who's in charge of the show now just said, hey, I love that Mule Day thing. Would you like to do a regular thing? So I said, hell yeah. And I think the election helped just in the sense that 13000 votes meant I had an audience, I think. 13,000 votes meant I had an audience, I think. Yeah. You know, I think that was just sort of a, I don't think they maybe looked at it that cynically, but I mean, I think you could say my whole report tomorrow is about fascism and it's going to be on the fucking radio.

Wow. And it's, it's very, very, cause that's what I ran on. But the thing is when I ran on it, people loved that message. I mean, they were dying for it. You know what I mean? That's the thing is like if i just went to them i think if i hadn't run with this like oh i just want to talk to you talk about fascism for 25 minutes yeah they're like who the fuck are you yeah they might say like well

you know but but i had people thanking me for saying the things we the things you talk about on this show all the time just like the billionaires have corrupted things to the point where if you are dealing with the definition of fascism, like the economic version of fascism is just private interest taking over the ostensibly public government. And, you know, we couldn't have that worse. Right. And that's why the federal government is like such a joke. I mean, it's just like been everyone there has been paid to do nothing. I mean, just to jam stuff up. So there's just no way to even legislate. So then I realized, shit, I'm doing this report about why I ran for office. That's what the one that's coming out tomorrow is. And why I ran for office is because I looked at the roads in my

neighborhood and I looked at the unhoused people in my neighborhood. And then I realized that they were giving, you know, like over a billion dollars in public money to the NFL to build a new stadium. And I was just like, this doesn't compute. You know what I mean? That was how it really started for me. So I went and asked this guy. I just parked my car. I was like, I'm going to talk to this guy.

So I ran down there with this microphone. They gave me this all-in-one microphone that has a, what do you call it, a SD card in the bottom of it. It's like a standalone. It levels itself. It's called a Yellow Tech. I don't know. Anyway, it's just a one.

For me, it's like old man journalist. I mean, it's like press one button and you don't have to do anything. Right, right, right. And it's all in there. I mean, except for get someone to take the SD card out with a pair of tweezers and whatever and put it in the Petri dish or whatever happens to those SD cards after you take it out of these things. I have no idea. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, and then you put it in the, yeah, you drop it in the federal mailbox.

What kind of SD card is it? Tool top? Who knows? Yeah, it could be. I think it's a large. I think it's a large. Okay. Yeah. It's like a standard SuperDuper. It stands for SuperDuper, right? Yeah. Yeah. Standard SuperDuper card. So I just, just yeah i send that straight to i take it to either photomat or um and i asked the kind guy there to help me please

here yeah i'd like to develop this sd card oh geez he's back yeah the guy who has the audio files on the sd card yeah i don't know he doesn't have an email, he says. So if you guys listen, I will send you guys the thing for tomorrow when it's out. Tomorrow being Friday? Tomorrow being, you guys are, this show's going to be on next Tuesday. So this is, tomorrow's Thursday in real life. Tomorrow's Thanksgiving, so it's coming out on Thanksgiving. And then there's a, and the show is called This is Nashville. And the host is named Khalil Ekelona. Great. Well, we'll link off to this on Thanksgiving. And then there's a Thanksgiving. And the show is called This is Nashville. And the host is named Khalil Echolona.

Great. Well, we'll link off to this on Tuesday. Yeah. Well, Chris, now there's some really, I think, consequential news in the world of music that we also really, we must get your take. We have to get your take on this. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. This is. You remember Hall and Oates. Oh, yeah. I think we all do. Hall and Oates? Yeah. I've heard of Hall, but Hall and Oates. I think we all do. Hall and Oates? Yeah. I've heard of Hall, but Hall and Oates?

I've seen Oates' mustache in a bag at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Is that real? No, it's not real. That would be fucking amazing. Wait, really? But then you're like, it's dismantled, so it just looks like a bag of hair. Yeah, yeah. That's just the way it is. You're like, no, it's a mustache. It it just looks like a bag of hair. Yeah, yeah. That's just the way it is.

You're like, no, it's a mustache. It's a mustache. He didn't want it reconstructed. Our writer, JM, calls Hall & Oates your parents' dentist's favorite musical duo. Oh. That's not fair. It's not. That's not right.

Who said that? Well, then I guess I'm your parents' favorite dentist, or in that fucking case. Whoever wrote that was like a 17-year-old who's never done anything except for play video games. Yeah, that's right. Hall and Oates are no Minecraft. No, but Hall and Oates have some hits. What happened to jazz, man? Hall and Oates.

Jazz and Yacht Rock, baby. But right now, Hall is suing Oates. Daryl. Nobody knows exactly why. Court documents are sealed, but it's just been revealed that Hall filed a motion for a temporary restraining order against Oates, and Daryl Hall apparently went on Bill Maher's

Club Random show last year. Oh, that thing is so gross. Again, it looks like, yeah, just an anthropomorphic can of axe body spray it's the worst renovated a suburban rumpus room it's it's so awful but anyways it's like bill marr and his other really friends like famous friends who are like everyone else is a fucking idiot except us right right right daryl hall yeah narcissist exactly man every single person who's like that has gotten into like cancel culture like you know i'm sure daryl hall's probably like i'm so tired of being told what to do

yes of course i mean what was it i mean from my perspective right daryl hall i was like just narrowly i was like well he was the one whose voice was killing it all the time so i'm like that's that's the guy and what we're just saying like john oats was just kind of like they get like he was playing guitar right and backing him up like is there like was the perception like john oats wasn't doing much like daryl hall was because like the way daryl hall talks he talks like he talks like he's like I was doing all the heavy lifting okay we were just making some shit you've heard him say that he's acting like that for real

Daryl Hall said you think John Oates is my partner he's my business partner he's not my creative partner okay yeah oh my god yeah so like he's treating he's treating John Oates like he's Art Garfunkel.

Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. He's trying to do a Paul Simon. Which I think is, like, how it has gone down in pop culture history. Like, there's that comedy band Garfunkel and Oates that's like, these are the also-rans, right, famous duos. Oh, right. I didn't even get that. Oh, my God.

You just explained that i've never understood that i was like garfunkel and oats is somehow just because i was involved in the los angeles comedy scene they were in my you know yeah i never but i was like oh i get it kate mccoochie and ricky lindholm right yeah i never got it i never understood holy shit man it's one of those graduate school jokes I get it. And that's what we're here for. Holy shit, man. It's one of those graduate school jokes. Yeah. To your point, like Daryl Holtz or Daryl Hall

always seemed like both the one who gets the most credit and also the one who's probably the most, has the most public facing sociopathic tendencies. So it's always interesting to take a step back and be like, is he really the one who deserves the credit? Did they say why Oates is sued? No, everyone's like

completely flabbergasted. Hal Sue Oates. Yeah. It's just like, he's getting a restraining order, and they're like, everyone just described him as mysterious. Yeah, because it's under seal.'s getting a restraining order and they're like everyone's just describing like mysterious so i don't know because it's under seal okay well i don't daryl hall you know i think at one time was was was probably a nice person but i mean he seems like ever since he started having that show live at daryl's house i think was off the air now for a while but it was on for like six years from like 2010

wait i'm not familiar with this dude it was a fucking it was like come fucking worship me at my house and we'll perform a little bit but also like silo like all kinds of artists would go and perform and like they would maybe do one of their songs a duet maybe do a hollow notes cover and then just like talk about like just talking like with daryl and his like you know session guys that he's with yeah and like some sort of like studio made of repossessed barnwood or you know re not repurposed repurposed repossessed barn was a different thing that's when you get barnwood take it back but you know it was a nasty show in the sense that it

was like i saw the side of daryl hall where it's like he won't he thinks people want to watch me dinner you know like they ate dinner on the show and drank wine on the show and it's the same way i felt about watching that show with uh any any show where rich people eat food and that's the show is like i can't even make me so angry i't even, who's the guy who directed like Spider-Man and also like swingers. John Favreau. John Favreau. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That guy, like he had a show where it was like dinner with John Favreau. And I immediately, I had nothing against John Favreau. And I immediately hated, like, I was like that motherfucker.

Right. That is so many of the pitches that you get in the podcasting industry. Oh my God. Yeah. What dinner with? No, just like I'm a rich person and people will necessarily be interested in seeing me hang out with my friends.

Because like, you know, my other friends are also rich and famous too. So like in that way, they get to hang out. Yeah, just Daryl. No, Daryl Hall, just Daryl Hall. In that, on that show, you realized he had become so surrounded with douchebags that he obviously thought he was like the ruler of the earth. He was so surrounded by yes people.

And he's in his bubble. He probably never has to leave his compound. And then just people, famous people come visit him. Come to him, yeah. He's like a promo show. You know, he'd be on Daryl Hall's show. And John Oates was nowhere to be seen on that show. So I don't know where John Oates was.

But he was not getting any of that money. I don't think from a live at Daryl's house. He pitched live at Oates's house. And everybody was like, sorry, sorry. Yeah. They're like,

what? Live at Oates's. It's called bowl of oats with John Oates. What? Come have an Oates meal. Live at Oates's back house. Right. And Oates's grain shed.

Oh boy. But like the fucking, the Daryl, live in Oats' back house right in Oats' grain shed oh boy but like the fucking the Daryl there's one live at Daryl's house episode that I will never like back when there was like DVR TiVo type shit I always kept it on there because there's an episode where CeeLo is performing at his house

and CeeLo is a fucking obviously like he's like a great like he can sing right and they're singing I can't go for that and like silo is just like doing his own version put a little spice on it and then you can tell daryl hall is kind of like he's like this fucking guy thinks he's gonna fucking outdo me this shit's called live at daryl's house and then daryl hall comes in for like the second verse and the way he he comes in, it's like, you can tell he's like, I got to summon every bit of energy I have to fucking just blow out CeeLo right now because he's out doing me on my own show.

And I was like, ah, but when I saw that, I was like, oh, okay. You can't even, you can't even just jam with him. He's gesturing over to the monitors, pointing to his headphones, being like, take me up, take me up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoa, I can't go. No, yeah, he goes, I can't go for being twice as nice.

And he just tried. Yeah, anyway. So, you hate to see it, but who knows? I'm sure it's probably all boiling down to some disagreement over rights and who's going to get more money. Or maybe John Oates performed a song. He's like, what'd I fucking say, John? Or yeah, John Oates, like, like performed a song. It's like, what I fucking say,

John. Or yeah, John Oates said like, John Oates implied that he, well, I guess you couldn't sue someone for just implying that they wrote more than they did or something. But John Oates is probably the victim here.

I'm guessing. I mean, the guy's been second banana already. And for this guy to sue him on top of that just seems cruel and unusual, especially when he has all that Daryl's house money. And he's been eating lobster on TV while Oates is at home eating TV dinners. Yeah.

You know, with his half the money. Nothing more humble than the last name Oates. Hall and Oates, yeah. So come to my hall verse eat eat oats loser yeah eat oats

horse ass motherfucker you wanna hang out leave him alone you wanna have a drink in this hall or you wanna hang out in some oats

yeah that's right so Hall said so Hall and Oates have this song called I'm Just a Kid Don't Make Me Feel Like a Man

on one of their earlier records which is I think it's on Abandoned Luncheonette their early stuff's great i think they were probably nice back then both of them maybe because they were like came up from you know nothing really i don't think any of them like their dad was anybody or anything i think they just came up from philadelphia and they loved r&b and they they you know they made some good r&b songs and then they they were also kind of a little folkier in the beginning and that's abandoned luncheonette which is my shit it's kind of like

easy listening kind of stuff when the morning comes is a song i recommend highly off of abandoned luncheonette anyway they the hell am i talking about i'm all brainwiped john oates remember when i had a brainwipe way to stop the show and I'd eat a hard boiled egg? You'd eat a whole boiled egg. But what, were you, John Oates? Is that where you, you picked back up?

I was going to say, oh, so I had a radio show in Nashville and I was always trying to get the guys from Bread to call in, the band Bread. Yeah, the show was called Best of Bread.

Best of Bread, right? Yes, yes. It was on from 2005 to 2009 and we realized we had no, nobody listening to us, like nobody from management

so we just went crazy and anyway they i was just trying to get bread to call in because i knew a couple of the guys from the band bread lived in nashville no one ever did but one time i played i'm just a kid don't make me feel like a man and i was like that sounds creepy and yeah we got a phone call from one of the guys who played in the hollow notes band and he said we were all like 30 and we had to play that song and it gave us the creeps and we also think that song's creepy and that was like the greatest. That was like for me that felt like, I don't know. They agreed!

They agreed! That felt like finding a whole teapot under the planes. A tool top teapot. Tool top teapot. Tool top teapot. Pop it, Gary, from the Dakota Territories. Chris Crofton. Amazing having you as always. Yeah.

So fun. I miss you guys. I'm so glad to be back on. You guys are looking good. You guys are looking good. Yeah. Oh, no. It's just light.

You look preserved in amber. Thank you. Like a mosquito from Jurassic Park. You joined and said that you were surprised that we were still alive. Yeah, that's true. Which is a great way to enter any conversation. You old son of a bitch. I can't believe we were still alive. Yeah, that's true. That's a great way to enter any conversation. You old son of a bitch. I can't believe you're still alive.

I've seen you only in these little cube screens. Yeah, for the last couple of years. So I don't know where you are. You're not watching Welcome to Jack's House on YouTube? Yeah. You're not catching me there? Oh, you got to check it out, man. Is it like you eating lobster with like it's me eating lobster with various uh canceled celebrity friends of mine oh wow now that's a

good show oh yeah oh that's just like a total hate watch it's tucker carlson rosanne and like doja cat eating lobster or something. You're like, what the fuck is this? And Jack being like, I'm not with these guys. But this is my house, and I didn't fight them. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show. It means the world to Miles.

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