The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 309 (Best of 2/12/24-2/16/24)

Episode Date: February 18, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:00:30 I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese.
Starting point is 00:00:39 Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have
Starting point is 00:00:46 changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Gianna Pardenti
Starting point is 00:01:02 and I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation,
Starting point is 00:01:22 then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by an author, musician, and podcast host of the anarchist survivalist podcast, Live Like the World is Dying, and the Cool Zone Media, Robert and Sophie Lichterman's Cool Zone Media podcast.
Starting point is 00:02:15 Cool people who did cool stuff. Please welcome Margaret Kiljoy! Margaret! That's me. I didn't prepare a song. I'm sorry. AKA Magpie. That's your AKA, right? That's right. Yeah. What prepare a song. I'm sorry. AKA Magpie. That's your AKA, right?
Starting point is 00:02:26 That's right. Yeah. What's the thing about Magpies the bird? Like, what's their thing? They steal things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is how I got the name when I was 12. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:02:37 They steal shiny stuff, right? Yeah. And build up the little shiny bachelor pad thing to impress? Yeah, they're a shiny object collector like like crows and ravens they're pretty closely related do they have the same like memory too like how crows would be like yo fuck a one crow it could be smoke from the whole murder i think so only a group of magpies call it tidying oh that's so much nicer yeah that's i mean i like to think of it as ominous instead of direct but right good tidings to you they say before they rob your ass yeah exactly wait what were you what were you stealing
Starting point is 00:03:12 what were you coming up on all the time mostly food and books i guess when i was 20 yeah i i got it for two reasons one i would like find little rusty and shiny things in like the street when i was walking around i was i was like a cross punk squatter. And so I would pick up little rusty things and make weird bad jewelry with it. Eventually I started to learn how to make better jewelry. And then the other thing is, yeah, I used to shoplift. Yeah. Like it was my job because it kind of was because that's how I fed myself and my friends.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Yeah. I would never advocate. Oh, whatever. Do whatever you want. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Do it. Do what you got to whatever. Do what you got to do.
Starting point is 00:03:46 Do what you got to do. What is something from your search history? So I've talked about this previously on this podcast. I recently started working out with a personal trainer. So because of that, I'm really obsessed with macros, like macronutrients, making sure I'm eating the right amount of protein. So my most recent search history was how much protein is in brunch? And I was really stressed while I was Googling it. My girlfriend and I took her out to brunch on Sunday and I was just like, can I make this work with my macros? Yeah. Macros are like protein and like the basic things like protein carbs and like protein carbs and fat.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Was it just a fistful of holiday sauce? Yes. Yes. I asked them to sprinkle a little bit of chicken into it just to protein. It's like a sippy cup of holiday. One holiday sauce, one chicken breast. One hollandaise, please. Yeah. Yeah. I love holiday sauce, one chicken breast. One hollandaise, please. Yeah, yeah. I love hollandaise sauce with french fries. Ooh. And the macros on that, not good.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Well. Not good. Look, you can offset it if you eat some just pure Slim Jims for dinner later. Are Slim Jims good macros? So a lot of the struggle with macros is making sure that you have like a good protein to calorie ratio. And swim gyms do have a very good protein to calorie ratio. Fuck yes. Yes.
Starting point is 00:05:11 The sodium like compounds that have like. Oh, I just don't even think about that. We ignore those. Okay. I'm for sure getting mummified from the inside based on my diet right now. Right. But my protein level is good. They're going to find your liver
Starting point is 00:05:27 in 45,000 years and be like, holy shit, this is perfectly preserved and glowing. And eat it. Yeah. Yeah. I got to say, it is, it's so funny how obsessed
Starting point is 00:05:36 I've gotten with this stuff. I recently heard a former Daily Zeit guest, Eli Yudin, post on Twitter something to the effect of like, I'm thinking about eating more protein and stuff like that. I immediately jumped into his DMs and was just like, here's the best Greek yogurt brand. What is the best Greek yogurt brand?
Starting point is 00:05:52 Oh, OK. So, yeah, this is something real opinionated about. Is it Siggy's? So, no, no, no. So the brands that I like is a brand called Oikos that is 90 calories for 15 grams of protein. And then there's another brand called Chobani that's 60 calories for 11 grams of protein. And then there's another brand called Chobani that's 60 calories for 11 grams of protein. And they don't taste bad. There's a little bit of flavor to them. But it's just like if you, you know, like if it's the end of the day and you're about
Starting point is 00:06:14 to go to bed, but you're just like, oh, I'm short on protein by 10 grams. Then you can just like chug a Greek yogurt while I was trying to sleep. This is what my life is i'm a cautionary tale don't try to become me i hate this i'm trying to remember when when like greek yogurt first came out as like a mass marketed product i was still living in new york and one of my co-workers like one of my best like actual work friends was like oh no man i don't fuck with greek yogurt so i i'm trying to remember i'm trying to remember but not say the brand because it's a little, I guess, libelous or whatever. But basically, it came out.
Starting point is 00:06:52 Allegedly, allegedly. It allegedly turned his insides into goo. Well, it's not about the product. He was like, I can't fuck with that Greek yogurt. And I was like, oh, well, why? I mean, it's good, I think. And he was like, yeah, well, why? I mean, it's good, I think. And he was like, yeah, like the guy that founded the company, like, like my friend's wife cheated on him with like broke up the marriage. So it's like, yeah, I don't fuck with Greek yogurt. I was like,
Starting point is 00:07:16 that's a really weird. So just like that one brand? Yes. Just one brand of Greek yogurt. And I don't remember which it is. I don't think. Yeah. If I were to guess, it would be not polite, I suppose. But yeah, that's my... Let's just go with it anyways. Top three Greek yogurt brands that we think the guy might be a slimy cheater. Yeah, which is the cheat-ness tasting yogurt?
Starting point is 00:07:42 That's my question. I gotta say, Jack, where were you with that balloon telling them to stay six inches apart when they were out? Thank you. Exactly. Answer yourself, Mr. Oikos. Your work is never done.
Starting point is 00:07:57 No, Oikos is very virtuous. I'm going to defend Oikos to the death. It was probably one of the brands that tells their whole founder story on the label. Yeah. I feel like that too. Yeah, and the founder story was definitely, he likes to fuck. This guy loves to fuck so hard.
Starting point is 00:08:14 It did say on there. He likes Greek yogurt because it's kind of like, uh. Yeah, this is why he likes the yogurt. This is why he got the whole thing. Extra churn. Yeah. That's why he got the whole thing. Extra. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:24 I also remember hearing that Greek yogurt, like the process for making Greek yogurt, it makes the Greek yogurt. Very good. Very great macros on that shit. Even though you, you are the Charles Barkley of macros and don't want people to think of you as a role model.
Starting point is 00:08:39 I do think of you as a role model. Oh no. I'm excited about these macros, but then like the other thing the water or the liquid that gets strained out to make it like that hyper condensed greek yogurt is like poison is something that i remember covering back in the day and like they don't know what to do with it they're like oh no no i'm sure me like being like eating this very specific macro diet is cutting 50 years off of my life. No, I think it was like as a as a waste by as a waste by.
Starting point is 00:09:12 Yeah, exactly. It's like acidic or something. Yes, it's hyper acidic. And it just makes me like it more. I mean, I guess what it is, is it's very clearly just the opposite of the Greek yogurt. Yes. Like, it's just like... That's what they're saying, is that the macros on this waste byproduct are terrible.
Starting point is 00:09:31 That's why it's a waste byproduct. You took milk and split it into good and evil. Yeah, exactly. That's right. Dulcé Sloan, we do like to also ask our guests, what is something you think is overrated? Taylor Swift. She's just white. End of.
Starting point is 00:09:56 That's it. Yeah. What do you think of the Republican sort of like hysteria over how they're like, she's going to swing the election. They need, honestly, thank you for getting the heat off of black people run it because this is what you do know if kansas city would have lost the super bowl it would have been her fault yes but they won and it's travis kelsey because she doesn't get the push she doesn't get the benefit of them winning. But she would have caught all the heat if they lost. Right.
Starting point is 00:10:29 Yeah. And that's not fair. Yeah. I'm not a fan of Little Girl, but that's just ridiculous. Yeah, yeah. You don't need that kind of misogyny flying that way. Right. So just like she was going to catch pure hell.
Starting point is 00:10:41 Also, even if she told everybody to vote for a specific candidate, that's not illegal. Yeah, no, right. Obviously the only thing that's going to swing the election is the policy of the Republican party. But the problem is, is that nobody wants to in the same way. So when Hillary Clinton was running against Trump, I saw something on Instagram and it said, all right, let me go get up
Starting point is 00:11:06 and vote for this girl. And I was like, that is perfect. That is exactly how I felt. Let me get up and vote for this girl. I'm not excited to vote for Biden, but they know that Kamala Harris has no chance. None. So it's like,
Starting point is 00:11:22 okay, you have to run Biden against Trump because Kamala Harris has absolutely no chance. But it's like okay you have to run biden against trump because kamala harris has absolutely no chance but it's they're the oldest candidates in the history of the world yeah and like in the history of america oh yeah for sure yeah they're the oldest candidates in the history of america and john said like on the show on monday he was like the last time there were people this old was them four years four years ago yeah they broke the record of them four years ago the first time so i was like i was like damn that's wild but no taylor swift anchor i mean if all she did was just increase the sales of pony beads and letter beads and that right elastic to make price bead industry is booming and that is helping
Starting point is 00:12:05 biden's economy exactly so shout out to when also what i don't understand is like we've given taylor swifo this credit for boosting the economy when her and beyonce had tours simultaneously right right right and people were breaking their neck literally not paying rent yeah to go see both of them so i'm just like it's not i don't think she's gonna no she's not gonna sway an election what the problem is that people are so disengaged that not enough people are going to vote and when p and what the republican party is very good at is getting their constituents out to vote yeah democrats aren't paying enough attention also they don't have enough money the republican party sits on 200 million dollars the democratic party sits on 20 million dollars
Starting point is 00:12:52 the way laura trump was talking she's like if i am at the rnc if like put me there i'm putting every she said quote every single penny of rnc funds will be go to his election it's like you mean in legal fees i think that's what we're really talking here because that's how so much of his pack money just went to his legal fees well which is listen this is why when white people have the nerve to look at black people or people of color and go well how do we you can't ask us how to do anything y'all know exactly how this works i'm very i'm very exhausted by the white person who doesn't understand how America works. Or the man who doesn't understand why women are still going through. Stop it.
Starting point is 00:13:34 Quit playing in my face. If you're playing with me, at least let there be a board and dice out. Stop playing with me. There's no video game console on right now. I ain't sitting in the living room eating nachos. So stop playing with me you understand yeah so i'm just like one america is not about freedom america is about money yeah the day that everybody can acknowledge that america is a business it started as colonialism and colonization was a business yeah the colonies were a business. Yeah. The colonies were a business.
Starting point is 00:14:05 Yeah. So a few people was like, you know what, they be not being real nice to us in England. We might want to go somewhere else. Right. That was a couple folks on a couple boats. The rest of these bastards,
Starting point is 00:14:17 the entire Western Hemisphere was a business. Right. That the British and the Spanish took over. Because the fact that Americans do not acknowledge that most of the countries below us speak Spanish is insane.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Or even know what country, most people don't even know what North America is. Right, it was like, well, Mexico is in Central America. No, it's not! You never heard of NATO, that's what you just told America. No, it's not. You never heard of NATO. That's what you just told me. America is a business.
Starting point is 00:14:50 Stop looking for freedom and start paying attention to the money. All of this has always been about money. America does not care about your freedom. The freedom shit is a smokescreen. It's a lie. The reason that you were able to get the Civil Rights Act to pass.
Starting point is 00:15:06 One, Kennedy was assassinated. Two, the Montgomery bus boycott took 18 months. It wasn't a couple of days that they wasn't on the bus was 18 months. And black women organized cabs and cars to get everybody to work. And what it did was it almost bankrupted the city of Montgomery, Alabama. That's why desegregation happened because of boycotting of businesses. Right. It wasn't because the white people was like, we should probably get these Negroes from rights. Right. No, it's not realized how we impacted an entire city's economy in multiple cities, economies during the civil rights movement
Starting point is 00:15:45 and they were like yo these negroes messing up our business give them some rights or they're going to destroy us right with just the money of it it did nothing no one felt no it's like so a white man looked at another white man and said let's give these negroes rights right had nothing and they weren't treated better right you could not just get the bland food you was fighting to eat so i'm very confused about what we think is happening right now and i don't know why we're not acting like that this is what it is so yeah the republican party wants to take all this money to back trump all they're going to do is bankrupt themselves that's all they want to do trump is is just revenge for Obama.
Starting point is 00:16:25 That's all he is, because that's why people foam at the mouth in anger and act with Trump the way that they act. It's because he says what needs to be said, and we're going to drain the swamp and get those fat cats. I'm like, why are there so many cats in a swamp? You sound crazy. They're like, I've been here. Swamp cats.
Starting point is 00:16:41 They don't want to be in your water. Listen, what is this? I remember swamp cats was an interesting cartoon. Swamp cats didn't cats. They don't want to be in your water. Listen, what is this? I remember Swamp Cats was an interesting cartoon. Swamp Cats didn't exist. They don't do that. Samurai Pizza Cats, another one. You know what I mean? What an odd.
Starting point is 00:16:52 The 90s was a great time for pizza. Yeah, truly. I hate that. That Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle pizza that was just like the cheese on the top was like one solid liquid, like non-Newtonian substance that just like kind of stretched off. It just fell off the dough. Yeah. I mean, it's really how they made kids read books is what happened. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:14 A pizza, a personal pan pizza. Right. Just truly just an open-faced grilled cheese sandwich. With a little bit of tomato sauce. With a little bit of tomato sauce is really how they got kids to read in the 90s. Yeah. Came through. Carmen, what is something you think is underrated? Oh, this is more fun.
Starting point is 00:17:32 Do you know what I love? Love, love, love. Let's go back to TV. Capital punishment. No, I'm kidding. Absolutely not! Pendejo mira. Don't get me mad now. Lo siento. Lo siento. I'll spare you. Wow. Oh wow I didn't know you spoke Spanish
Starting point is 00:17:48 Blake lo siento no this is mucho mas fun okay so on shows I love because of course I'm a writer too but I love mashup words
Starting point is 00:18:04 I don't like i'm not talking about those tiktok kind of stuff like riz and stuff i'm talking about mashup words because right now the word that i can't get out of my head which i love so much is corpsical is anyone watching that's great uh it is the idea and i've and i come across a couple more of these words and i just love they make me so happy yeah just corpsical like the power to be able to create a word that instantly makes your brain go corpse know exactly what that is and you know exactly what it is and it's a nonsense word brilliant by the way I love the show yeah you love true detective that's a great underrated
Starting point is 00:18:44 that's that's one of honestly my favorite underrated it's that's such a good one because it's something that you appreciate subconsciously but then hearing you say that i want to i want to keep an eye out for more more corpsicle type words it's so fun and then every time i hear corpsicle i'm like oh i just love it by the way so so that you know where I'm at, I tried to write corpse cycle. I wasn't quite sure how to how to spell it. And my autocorrect changed it to crop circle. Sure. So, you know, another fantastical thing.
Starting point is 00:19:16 You love science. So there you go. I love science. Is that what you said? Yes. I love science. Science. Science.
Starting point is 00:19:22 The M. Night Shyamalan movie. Yes. Science. Science. And science. what you said yes i love science science the m night shamalan movie yes science science and science class that's i think that's in another m night shamalan movie where mark walberg is a science teacher and he's like where just written on the board is like where'd the bees go oh my god wasn't that that wasn't signs which one was that one that was that is uh oh my god what about the bees though bro don't spoil it don't spoil it don't tell us where the bees are that's a huge plot point oh my god it's a good one. True Detective season four, or yeah, season four, has one of the most, that corpse-sickle is the corpse-sickle to end all corpse-sickles, by the way.
Starting point is 00:20:13 It's a bunch. Yeah, it's a real cluster. And if you like this season, look at me, I'm not doing promo for her, but I do adore her. The director, Isa Lopez, right? She's from Mexico. She has her horror movie.
Starting point is 00:20:27 Tigers are not afraid. Was beautiful. And fresh. You know, when you see a movie, it's not like, you're not like, wow,
Starting point is 00:20:35 that was so great and epic, blah, blah, blah. But when you see it and you go, okay, that's new. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Like how hard is it to see, to watch something today and be like, okay, that's, that's new. I haven't seen that. That's her. And it is brilliant.
Starting point is 00:20:47 So I'm not surprised that she produced a corpsicle. Because if you watch that movie, you can see how you're like, this lady's brain is different. Yeah. Me likey. Oh, that only has a 97% on Rotten Tomatoes. That's all it has. Which one? Tigers Not Afraid?
Starting point is 00:21:04 Yeah. Damn, 97. Oh, I'm so happy for her. Yay. Rating it down on my movies to watch list. Me too. So good. So good. By the way, Issa, love you. Love you. Okay. Moving on. She's a big fan
Starting point is 00:21:18 as are all great, brilliant, you know, directors who think different. They are huge fans of the Daily Zeitgeist. It fits. It fits. All right. Let's take a quick break and come back and we'll run through some news stories. We'll be right back. Okay. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.
Starting point is 00:21:52 Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again.
Starting point is 00:22:33 Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer,
Starting point is 00:23:07 we bring in experts who do, like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it?
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Starting point is 00:23:41 I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil.
Starting point is 00:23:59 I ain't really near them. Why is that? I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black.
Starting point is 00:24:14 I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke.
Starting point is 00:24:44 And we're back. And just briefly, Jon Stewart came, did his like first return. I didn't watch it. Our writer, Jay, I watched it. It was like this pretty, I was, he was dreading it
Starting point is 00:24:57 and thought it was kind of funny. Most of his opening segment was devoted to the ages of both presidential candidates. And therein lies the problem. People were like, what the fuck, dude? You're only supposed to talk shit about Republicans, bro. He focused on, as did we yesterday, Biden's slip up where he had called the press conference to be like, I'm not, you think I'm old? And came on and was like throwing sick burns at Fox News and was like real revved up and was like leaving the field of play, having like done what he came to do. And then someone asked him a question
Starting point is 00:25:41 about Israel. And he like went back to the podium and confused Mexico and Egypt. And people were like, oh, buddy, you almost you were so close. But anyways, I mean, he he also so he pointed out Biden's slip ups. He also said that Trump's statements during his rallies weren't a wellness check, like he was talking about both of them. But people people were pissed. I think my favorite joke from it is that he took the clip of Kamala Harris being like, I assure you, in closed door meetings, Biden is smart and on his game and on top of it all. He's doing backflips. He was like, did anyone film that? He's dabbing all over the place. Like, that would be good to show to people. But anyways, people like Keith Olbermann, who we were all waiting to hear what.
Starting point is 00:26:34 We all knew Keith Olbermann was still alive and we're waiting to hear what he thought on anything. But he came out and was like, just both sides is fraud. He's mad. Rolling Stone referred to Jon Stewart's both sides are equally bad approach, which doesn't seem like exactly what he's saying. I think you can be frustrated that Joe Biden doesn't seem to be the best candidate specifically because Trump is such a terrifying prospect yeah kind of is where i'm sitting at the moment so yeah yeah how are you guys feeling feeling good about our options yeah i weirdly yeah it's like this is like kind of the first time i was like because i feel like the previous incarnation of daily show john stewart would not really ever like actually criticize
Starting point is 00:27:34 like the kind of our center-right democratic party right so like this feels like good ish feels like good-ish. Actually, I'm surprised. I feel like more in line with where I think people's minds are. Yeah. I think that, you know, I mean, ultimately, Jon Stewart's a comedian.
Starting point is 00:27:54 His jobs be funny, but he's also put himself in this really interesting media criticism and analysis role. Yeah. He makes some jokes to criticize the media. And, you know,
Starting point is 00:28:02 I think that Biden and Trump are the presidential candidates who look and sound old as fuck. Don't get mad at Jon Stewart for pointing it out. Like, you know, get mad at Biden's campaign team for letting me be presented
Starting point is 00:28:13 in that way. Or get excited about RFK Jr. Like we are on this podcast. If you read between the lines, you could really tell which direction this pod is, which where Jack is going. Slightly read between the lines, you could really tell which direction this pod is, where Jack is going. Slightly read between the lines.
Starting point is 00:28:29 Anti-vax. I have put COVID in scare quotes multiple times and did say I'm excited about RFK Jr. I don't know if you're picking up the tiny little breadcrumbs. Breadcrumbs? That's what happens when I'm out on macros and I'm so excited. Look, do I love RFK Jr. because
Starting point is 00:28:51 he probably knows what a macro is? Yes. Is that what I base my presidential candidate votes on? Yes. Also, yes. I will say, actually, Joey, I think you just said, I don't know if I agree that in the job of host of The Daily Show, Jon Stewart is a comedian. Well, OK, well, it's like it's on Comedy Central.
Starting point is 00:29:12 It's like, yeah, theoretically, he's supposed to be doing. I know. I know. I just think it's like it. I don't think the show would do well if he was just doing jokes like most of the bits that do well with their audience are like, I think, unfortunately not jokes. Well, yeah, it is so weird.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Like I, you know, I, I went to school for journalism. I graduated from like the Edward R. Moreau college of communication. And it's like, so I like,
Starting point is 00:29:37 I really respect journalism. And it's so weird to me that he's kind of found himself, Jon Stewart in this position where he's kind of one of the most respected journalists in the country. And he's like, he's not a journalist. Yeah. And there's the problem. Yeah. And it's like, it's sort of in like he's he's the person where, you know, I think on his on his Apple TV show, there was this expectation of like, finally, he's going to do hard hitting interviews.
Starting point is 00:30:02 And it's like, yeah yeah it's we're putting so much on john stewart's shoulders yeah yeah well really yeah it's that part is the biggest bummer to me i'm just like this this is just none of this should exist in this way yeah we should have good like television journalism should be better like and part of the problem is just like it's like the 24-hour news cycle there is just this need to fill time with opinion more than like actual news and it's like if you watch like you know just any of the 24-hour news channels it's like 90 of their programming is just like a panel of like experts or whatever just kind of riffing on what they're hearing about yeah as opposed to like actual like research the thing journalism and uh yeah i don't know it's like it's i'm excited that john
Starting point is 00:30:50 stewart's back like i thought he did uh you know a good job in his first episode back but it is such a bummer that like there is this feeling of like oh finally real news can come back on comedy central yes yeah i didn't realize comedy central was still a channel, to be honest. I legitimately also was like, I was like, I guess I would have heard had Daily Show been canceled. But the big announcement that he was coming back, I was like, oh, God. Yeah. Like, it was a weird, like, you know, it was this weird feeling of like, you know, ultimately
Starting point is 00:31:24 I'm a big proponent of like giving new people a shot and, you know, bringing in like, you know, it was this weird feeling of like, you know, ultimately, I'm a big proponent of like giving new people a shot and, you know, bringing in like, you know, PSU voices or voices from marginalized communities to hold those positions. But like, I don't know, I do think that Jon Stewart, like he like his basically said that he's only going to come back until I think the election. So it does feel like he's kind of back for like a really specific purpose and he's not going to like stick around forever. And a lot of his jokes even were just like, I'm in my 60s. It's weird. I'm back. Like, you know, he gets it. Right.
Starting point is 00:31:52 Well, it'll be interesting to see what he has to say in his next appearance, because he's not going to have Joe Biden to beat up on for being old. I'll tell you that much, because Joe Biden has proven he young. He joined TikTok. His campaign has entered its Steve Buscemi holding a skateboard phase, and they joined TikTok. He posted a video on Super Bowl Sunday answering questions that included which team he was rooting for and which candidate he supports for president, which feels like they were trying to like fuck him up. It's like his grandkids were trying to like confuse him. But the video was posted along with the message, lol, hey guys, which is just completely impossible to imagine Joe Biden ever saying. do you think that there was
Starting point is 00:32:47 an unused take on that who are you going to vote for for president biden and trump question where he said trump fuck yeah he's a strange shooter i think it's really funny how, like, I feel like a funny statement to make in the first place that like he felt the need to be like, no, guys, I know what you're saying. I'm not going to start. I'm not going to join TikTok. Yeah, I know what everybody's waiting for. Okay. I'd never, that thought never crossed my mind.
Starting point is 00:33:42 Oh, God. But yeah. I got to say, one of my favorite tiktok formats is just stuff getting smashed like there's this video of like two toilets hanging from ropes swung at each other like pendulums and they hit each other and explode if the biden campaign leaned into that type of tiktok i'd be all in yeah yeah i mean just on the like things from the white house getting like which one's going to survive yeah it's like the lincoln desk and a statue of andrew jackson yeah you have to imagine you got tick to tick has to be pissed about this happening because this is like their the least
Starting point is 00:34:20 cool thing that's ever happened their app is done app is done. Like, this is just the, now we're just counting down the days to when TikTok is over. Right. Yeah. It also doesn't help that if you watch the video, it looks like Joe Biden's in a hospital waiting room. I mean, it really does. Where the fuck is he?
Starting point is 00:34:38 That's a really good point. Like, the art on the walls is in the waiting room of the last hospital. It's straight up is a hospital waiting room. He's wearing old guy khakis. Do you know what I would actually bet it is, which probably has the same decor as a hospital waiting room is like a boomer internet consultancy. Yeah, I think that I think that that's that to me is a little bit of
Starting point is 00:35:05 the issue with like, I totally get, you know, Biden starting a tick tock. Yeah, there's, you know, huge zoomer audience there. Like, it makes sense. But I think that this really feels like a tick tock that was like, pitched by a 20 year old to like a boomer social media executive. And like they tried to kind of meet in the middle. And it just like, it just feels like this weird TikTok uncanny valley. Having him show up with the words, well, hey guys,
Starting point is 00:35:35 is so funny to me for some reason. Yeah. It's like, is that him talking? Is that him being like, well, hey guys, I'm so random, right? Yeah, I'm so random. Blurg.
Starting point is 00:35:48 Also, I mean, like, are you really going to sign on to the fucking social media network that's mostly right now known for calling you a war criminal? I think you gave up on the Zoomer vote a while ago, dog. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:03 This is not going to bridge that gap yeah unfortunately he doesn't seem to be all that read in on the war criminal stuff because he did uh following the super bowl drop that meme that dank brandon dark brandon meme on our ass where he was like just like we drew it up with a picture of him, you know, dark Brandon eyes glowing. And unfortunately, it was also after Israeli airstrikes reportedly targeting houses and mosques killed dozens of people. Yeah, it's like, wow, real dark, dark Brandon. Yeah. Yeah. So that is how he drew it up. So. Eric Brandon. Yeah. Also, that is how he drew it up. So, consistent.
Starting point is 00:36:45 Yeah. No, I mean, it's just perfectly timed. We didn't have to drag this into podcast's least fun topic. I know. But it is just wild. Like, this attempt to join in the fun, like, make his campaign fun at this time. Like it's just don't think it's gonna be as easy as they're hoping. Yeah. I think that's so much of what does well on social media is just like, you know, you need to be genuine. You need to feel like you're real in some way.
Starting point is 00:37:19 And it feels like the Biden campaign is in this weird kind of trying to have their cake and eat it to middle ground where they're trying to kind of meme-ify and freshen up Biden. But when it gets down to it, he's still an 82-year-old politician. Sure. And, you know, it just comes across as very like, hey, look, everybody, grandpa's rapping. Like, you know. It would genuinely be a thousand times better if he was just rapping. Just rapping.
Starting point is 00:37:41 Dude, just rapping. Please. I'm the president and I'm here to say. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so in 2020, just rapping. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rapping. Please. I'm the president, and I'm here to sing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so in 2020, the campaign, some say sweatily, campaigned in Animal Crossing and threw celebrities on Cameo, and people are comparing that to this. I'm just going to say, 2020, let me think. Who won that election?
Starting point is 00:38:04 Yeah. Who won that election? Yeah, that's that election yeah who won that yeah that's right he won yeah that's right no if animal crossing saved us from four more years of trump jack i'm sorry you're the character of jack o'brien says trump won that election oh shit that's right yeah you said one was take it again yeah yeah When you said Biden won the election, you were definitely doing the jack off like eye roll. Yeah. Air quotes. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:28 Biden won the election. Biden won the election. By the way, every time I say President Biden, I think the jack off hand motion is implied. Yeah. The President part. But, yeah. That's where me and the Let's Go Brandon people really intersect. It's like, yeah, I also think that.
Starting point is 00:38:49 For the opposite reasons, but I do think that. That is also so funny to me that, like, Let's Go Brandon was, you know, I feel like treated as this, like, epic liberal dunk when it's like, I also think Joe Biden's not great. Right. Also, there was a song that played on the radio called fuck donald trump so take this ned flanders bullshit out of my face like right yeah what are you talking about that's your oh good one guys let's go brandon and it's like actually a reference to someone saying fuck biden so yeah so you don't let you know okay with cursing in public cool yeah yeah but yeah i mean there's also people are pointing
Starting point is 00:39:32 out there's a whole question of like the u.s government is really politicizing tiktok and like the like whether it should be allowed and whether it's a security risk. And he like straight up banned most federal government devices from using TikTok in 2022 due to bipartisan security concerns. So do you think the Biden account password is the same as like his skiff password? Like he, the man can only memorize so many passwords. I just think there's a high chance.'s just joe biden in all lowercase but nobody would ever think to put it all lowercase jack
Starting point is 00:40:14 yeah i i don't know like security around his i i guess i would say it would be a nightmare if he actually used technology himself but yeah they the thing that his administration is saying is that uh actually this is like we use a device that is only for posting on joe biden's tiktok so we're good here yeah it's locked in like a glass case uh the sandbox firewalled tiktok presidential tiktok machine back to the the john stewart daily show thing something that i do appreciate about what he was saying is like he was basically saying you know exactly you brought it up earlier of like oh if he's really energetic in meetings show us that like he's giving advice to the biden campaign yeah and it's like that feels like good you know it's like both presidential candidates are old as fuck like you know i totally get it
Starting point is 00:41:10 but it's like at least let's pretend that they're like still active you know like that's your i feel like that's your job is like you know a pr person or a press person or you know a media person or whatever is to like at least make the messaging palpable so that i don't have to pretend that he's well with it you know listen i go the other side of this though is like you know we live through puppet ronald reagan i say we just had dementia in office we just go full warhammer 40k with this stuff and either of these two guys, we just acknowledge that it's a cadre of advisors and you know, whatever, who's doing the real
Starting point is 00:41:49 stuff. And we just put them on a fucking golden throne when they win. They just sit there on display. Yeah. That'd be fun. Yeah. Make sure they eat some Slim Jims so they're well preserved so they don't know if they die. Yeah. Pickled and crackling with psychic energy.
Starting point is 00:42:06 Yeah, when you become president, you're just America's trophy for four years. Yeah. You know what? These should be put inside of the Lincoln Monument. Wait, on that giant big stone chair? No, no, inside of it. Like, you're sitting
Starting point is 00:42:22 in the same way, but you're just sort of like, each one is one layer smaller inside. Yeah, like Snoke vibes. It's like a nesting doll, but presidents. Oh, yeah. I'm proposing, I guess, that the Lincoln Monument is a mech. Do we know it's not a mech?
Starting point is 00:42:38 I thought you were proposing that once you stop being president, they have to hollow you out and put the new president inside of you. Oh. You just have to elect smaller and smaller presidents each subsequent time. It's not the end of the world if we do that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:51 I'm just saying. Yeah. I do think a big part of our problem is that the thing you're describing is basically the monarchy in the UK. the monarchy in the UK and they realized a long time ago that monarchs shouldn't have power and like that is just like you go sit somewhere on a fancy chair and everyone is just like oh she's taking the dogs for a walk today how nice and then there are like unglamorous people nobody really gives a shit about who are actually being hired and fired from the job of you know running the country and in america it's still the same fucking person like that all the all the royalty and all the shit giving is tied up with
Starting point is 00:43:41 the same person who actually is supposed to have the job. And that's unhealthy. I would argue. Yeah. Yeah. Let's roll, roll bad at worse. We're living through it. We're living through the consequences for these people.
Starting point is 00:43:56 Yeah. Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are in love. Everything's great. Yes. Thank you. I don't see what everybody's complaining about travis and taylor congratulations to everyone on living through it it's a bad it's bad bad it's bad yeah yeah yeah no you know like i do feel like everybody should just
Starting point is 00:44:17 acknowledge end of day hey we made it through another one fucking yeah like the way you do like you know recovery programs where you're like day Like the way you do in like, you know, recovery programs where you're like, day at a time, this shit was hard. Oh. You know? I thought you were talking about like
Starting point is 00:44:30 being in like trench warfare. Yeah. Well, that too. You know? Yeah. It's the same vibe, I guess. We're still talking about Taylor Swift, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:39 Yeah. Talking about how I get through the period like after she announces a new album and before the album actually drops. Yeah. It's just like, well, I'm supposed to just get out of bed and act like this is a normal day.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Okay. Sure. Ridiculous. Fucking ridiculous, Andrew. All right. We're going to take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about important things.
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Starting point is 00:48:23 both of your podcasts, but there are so many great episodes of Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. There's a recent one about the collective in Weimar, Germany, who, like, as Nazism is rising up and, you know, the economy is collapsing around them, they collectively, like, deliver one million illegal abortions a year as birth control is being like just so incredible and badass. And, but I did want to talk about this story about the invention of the paramedics because it's a group of people, a community suffering under severe systemic racism in Pittsburgh. And they come together and become the first paramedics in the history of America, maybe the world. They are the reason we have paramedics today. Like all the life-saving care we expect to show up in an ambulance started with them. And it was was pretty it was like i would have
Starting point is 00:49:27 guessed so much longer ago but it was like 1968 yeah yeah and like i don't know it it's another example i've talked before about how like there are two types of inventions there's like the iphone which is like something that is invented through sheer like tyranny of will, like years before the world might be ready for it. And it's like in in front of and then there are the inventions that like the world is repeatedly calling out for. And like just people just keep fucking it up. Yeah. Like the screwdriver was invented after the screw so they were just like yeah they like the screw existed a chisel yeah they were just like whatever
Starting point is 00:50:14 they had on hand they're like i guess this coin can kind of get it in there and then i keep my thumbnail real long took them like fucking decades to invent the screwdriver but the paramedics seems like just listening to you like tell the story of you know it starts you started with like people drunk driving ambulances around the civil war yeah yeah just wait so what what did it look like because i haven't listened to this episode so what what we were just what just pulling up to the basically to the hospital before like just on the back of the car it's like get him to the hospital so there would be people who would go around there'd be someone you could call and they would send an ambulance and the ambulance would not be an ambulance they would send a car
Starting point is 00:50:57 and it was different plate it was different in different places there was no central idea of how to do it a lot of times it was cops and cops don't always treat different people the same. Wait, what? I've heard of this. I've heard of this. It's crazy. I know. Don't worry.
Starting point is 00:51:12 It was a long time ago. And then also funeral homes were a big one. The funeral homes had a hearse and you could put a person in a hearse. So you're like, you're trying not to die of a heart attack and a hearse and you could put a person in a hearse so you you're like you're trying not to die of a heart attack and our hearse shows up and they're literally like there's like petals left over from the last person and it was just it was private services and the other one was firefighters and then the other one was just like purely private services where there's someone in your neighborhood you can call and like john will come over and drive you to the hospital j name yeah uh he's
Starting point is 00:51:43 the hero of the story. No. And so, yeah, they just, this completely, it completely blew my mind too. Like if you had asked me when the paramedics were invented, I would have been like Victorian era. And it was a little bit late that it took that long.
Starting point is 00:51:55 Or literally this has always happened. And people used to do it with litters, you know, where it's like carry the person or whatever. Yeah. I picture like somebody coming out and like plugging a fire bellows into your mouth and like, yeah. Well, that was the other thing is that CPR is a recent invention is the other.
Starting point is 00:52:14 And they were invented by the same guy. By the same guy. Unbelievable. Yeah. But, but yeah, the, the thing that paramedics changed was that the person who comes to drive you to the hospital performs care for you there on the street. And there was a while where people weren't into it. People were scared, especially because the first paramedic team was all black. And so at first they were in an all
Starting point is 00:52:34 black neighborhood of in Pittsburgh and it was like fine. But then eventually like the white people in the surrounding neighborhoods were like, we'd rather paramedics came than cops. We keep dying yeah yeah and so then black people would come but then random white racists would be like no please i'd rather die of this heart attack just get me to the hospital all right no problem that's on you bro all right i know and that's the weirdest thing about like reading about the medical profession is that that's not the attitude that even like like black doctors and black paramedics who are dealing with racist patients are like and then we just have to do it anyway and i'm like y'all are made of better stuff than me
Starting point is 00:53:12 okay i'll wait i'll wait you know so an important person has a heart attack on stage and a nurse goes and is delivering CPR, life-saving aid. And then the cops, who are the authority at this time in getting somebody to the hospital, kick her ass out offstage and then drag this person to the hospital. I thought you were going to say they kicked her ass. She was white. Yeah, it was a white nurse. Right, it was a white nurse. So they kind of pushed her out of the way. And we're like, why don't you go bake a pie, lady? Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:53:52 And they killed this guy because they don't know shit about CPR. Well, because they're interrupting the intervention, basically. Yeah, they're interrupting the CPR. And so people are pissed. They killed a major like political figure, basically the head of Baltimore's Democratic Party. They bring in this guy who had just kind of innovated CPR and was like, his theory was that you could teach everyday people to do this thing that would keep people alive for a long time or much longer than they were living before. And so they trained regular people to be the paramedics, like specifically not cops. Or I guess they were open to cops and the cops were like, ah, fuck this. That's a training. We don't do this.
Starting point is 00:54:51 Sorry. No, we don't do training. But so why do you think they went in that direction to like train people who weren't like not not being like we're a traveling band of doctors? Was it just like doctors were in short supply it was a couple different things one is that they had this idea for this job paramedics and they were like who can we get to do this job where it is going to take like i don't remember the number of hours an awful lot of hours of training like an awfully long intensive thing we have no idea how financially feasible it will be. We have no idea whether or not this job will exist when you finish
Starting point is 00:55:30 all of this training. Who's willing to do that? Right? Yeah. And so it was not the doctors. And then also, yeah, like the, like, I'm absolute shit at remembering names. As soon as I've moved on to the next episode, I remember the story arcs and things. Sure, sure. But I can't remember the name of the CPR guy, but he's white. Is it Stanger? Oh, that sounds right, but I really don't remember. I remember a lot about his backstory.
Starting point is 00:55:54 He grew up in Nazi-controlled Austria or something. William Kufenhoven? I don't remember. And so he also, his thing is believing that we need to stop some of the gatekeeping around medical stuff. We still need to train people and people need to be highly trained. But he was like, I believe we can train regular people. So that was like partly his crusade around it. It was partly the police unions were blocking cops getting training.
Starting point is 00:56:25 cops getting training and it was partly that the group that stepped up in order to say hey we're going to do this was a um not really a mutual aid group but a a black empowerment group that taught entrepreneurship within this neighborhood and and did like stuff like drive around the food van and sell food out of the back to break the food desert and they were like well we can do it we have some organizational ideas and so it was coming out of the civil rights movement also. And so it was kind of specific parts of black civil rights stuff meeting, hey, how do we destroy the gatekeeping of the medical industry? And just like, and then even then they had trouble getting people to come to these trainings, right? And so they were like, kind of just rounding people up on the street. So the first people, the first paramedics were not just black folks who were impoverished
Starting point is 00:57:11 systemically from that reason, but it was also a lot of felons. It was some people who didn't have any like stable places to live. A lot of people who were dealing with unemployment, vets with serious PTSD coming back from the Vietnam war. It was like, it was like the fuck ups, you know? And they were like, well, we're not the fuck ups. We're actually really awesome.
Starting point is 00:57:29 And they're doing all this amazing work, which is part of why it would make such a fucking killer movie. And then there was even the part, like even at one point in order to get city funding, they were like, sorry, you need to have a white person. And so they were like,
Starting point is 00:57:42 like just one. And so they found a guy who had been the token white soldier in a black unit in Vietnam. And we're like, hey, can you be our token white person? And he was like, sick. Yeah, no, totally.
Starting point is 00:57:53 That's fine. Oh, hell yeah. And so you even have, you know, from a Hollywood point of view, where you need that, they even have that. So it's a perfect movie. You have your Chalamet.
Starting point is 00:58:03 Yeah. Yeah, you have your new trope, the magical white guy. But he just, like, stays in the back and doesn't do shit. Yeah. It's like, what does he do? It's just amazing. His whiteness just even passively off to the side, the doors that it opens.
Starting point is 00:58:17 It's quite magical. This is also something that we saw when we were talking about alternatives to policing and, like, this program, Oregon, that has been going since I think the early 80s. I feel like it's called like CREAPS or something like that. They give it the worst acronym possible. But it's like if you need to call someone for help, but you don't want the police showing up with a gun, you have this alternative. a gun you have this alternative and like i remember reading a profile and the things that they're solving are just like i don't know this drunk guy is like having a fight with his partner and i think that's what it's called not creeps what is it cahoots cahoots isn't it cahoots yeah it might i think it had a different name for it earlier on, but I don't, it creeps as Nixon's
Starting point is 00:59:07 like committee to reelect the president, but it was something like more sinister though. But anyways, like they would just like give somebody a ride, you know, it was just like really like community based, like, oh, I actually know that guy or I know his cousin. I'm going to have his cousin come give him a ride. I know his cousin. I'm going to have his cousin come give him a ride. And like you end up seeing this is what is useful about the Freedom House people being the people who are serving this community is like, you know, I think Margaret in the episode you talked about if someone's ODing, they probably know who dealt them those drugs and can like go talk to that dealer and like find out what they took. You know, it's like they are plugged into the community. So you're just like paying for somebody within the community who knows people to go in and do the very basic, you know, work of also incredibly complicated and important work of like life-saving technology or life-saving medical care, but also just having that context and it being someone that like people are comfortable with and not somebody who's pointing a gun at you is so important and just like feels
Starting point is 01:00:21 like this could be spread, applied to like so many other places, right? Like in the modern world where we still have this crisis of the place to call when somebody's having a mental health crisis or, you know, a lot of different problems is the fucking police. Like, I don't know. No, I mean, it just makes sense to me. And especially when a lot of stuff
Starting point is 01:00:44 that puts people in danger is criminalized, you you know yeah when when you're dealing with someone who hasn't who's odine oh and then just to throw in that also the same guy whose name i can't remember was i think the first person to administer narcan or like yeah use narcan not just as a way to pull people out of um anesthesia but also to pull people out of overdosing. But, yeah, like, if someone's overdosing and you call the cops, you don't know whether you've saved that person's life or killed them. Right. Is it Dr. Peter Safar?
Starting point is 01:01:14 Again, I literally, names go in and out of my head. It's awful. I need to have a script in front of me in order to remember. We're, like, looking, and I'm like, there's, like, three doctors that may have invented CP. There were. There were three doctors.
Starting point is 01:01:28 Hovind, Safar, and Jude. Yeah, it's Peter Safar. He was born in Vienna, Austria. Yes, that's it. Yeah, yeah. Ended up becoming the... Yeah. And he created CPR.
Starting point is 01:01:39 Yeah, yeah. And he did all this like tricksy stuff to avoid serving in the Nazi army. Yeah. and he did all this like tricksy stuff to avoid serving in the nazi army yeah he like like also almost killed himself with medical issues in order to be medically exempt from serving in the nazi army yeah he's just a cool guy yeah and he also like usually i do these episodes about like great men in history and they turn out to be like awful to the women in their lives right yeah total wife guy oh yeah great wife guy. Wife guy energy. I mean, not just energy.
Starting point is 01:02:07 They were like ballroom waltzing champions. Yeah. And like included her in his plans. Right. I mean, I don't have like, I haven't read her account. I've read some quotes from her. Sure, sure, sure.
Starting point is 01:02:21 But like compared to a lot of the people that I end up researching in history where they're like so dedicated to the cause that they treat everyone in their lives especially the women and who are close to them in their lives like terribly this man is not an example of that yeah but yeah so they're out there they're part of the community they're the first people to like get the paddles out and go clear like on the street like street, like, they're, you know, they are breaking all this new ground. A racist mayor comes in, pushes
Starting point is 01:02:50 them out, starts trying to replace them with cops, like, just stops, like, cuts their funding, keeps cutting their funding. It's, like, this, again, just, like, a movie scene that is incredible that Hollywood is sleeping on. During this period freedom house
Starting point is 01:03:05 like gets their hands on a police scanner and start like racing the police to get there to save people because the police the police are taking their sweet ass time so they're like listening to when there is a medical emergency and then like racing there to help people before the cops can show up but just an an amazing story of like, you know, people from the community, like the medical power to the people, like just all these, you know, all these really cool ways that this community came together
Starting point is 01:03:40 against all odds. And like the fact that that's not the story we tell and instead the story we tell is like fucking an entire genre's worth of westerns right fucking so frustrating yeah i think yeah that's probably important connecting those two things that was well done oh thanks right i think it's just yeah it's probably important to like even think of it in that context of just sort of like you these kinds of stories over and over again. And to your point, Margaret, it's like you can almost manifest it through the repetition of that kind of story arc. Whereas now, I think a lot of people are feeling like we need to transition to something different, something that feels more connected, something that feels more humane and, uh, actually treats people with dignity. And yeah. And all these
Starting point is 01:04:30 stories have been like in a way buried or whether that's intentionally or because they don't think it sells tickets or whatever, you know, we're, we're seeing that like, that's actually our impulse is to just, is to invent and iterate and do something that is actually for a communal benefit rather than like, here's a story of the guy who got so pissed off. He beat up everyone in town and then his daughter got braces or whatever. That's so many movies. Like John wick. Nobody just beat up everybody in town. Like John Wick, nobody. Just beat up everybody
Starting point is 01:05:06 in town. This guy's so pissed. You ever get so pissed that you just like beat up everybody in town? Like all those Uwe Boll films are like that too. Where it's just like, pissed off guy on a mission. Oh man.
Starting point is 01:05:22 That's because every American man is told that that's in his heart and he could do that if he had to. Not every man can beat up every other man. That is clearly not true. That is not how math works. You know what I'm really good at? Going, help!
Starting point is 01:05:39 Help me! I think most men are because of patriarchy to be like, and then someone fixed it for me. And then I told myself I did it all myself. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist. Please like,
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