The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 315 (3/25/24-3/29/24)

Episode Date: March 31, 2024

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a writer, media critic, host of a couple podcasts, You Are Good, a feelings podcast about movies, and the classic, the Mount Rushmore podcast. It's not a podcast about Mount Rushmore.

It is like on the Mount Rushmore of great podcasts. You're Wrong About, her writing has appeared in The Believer on BuzzFeed. Truly one of the best people in the world at interrogating the myths and narratives we use to define ourselves and the world around us. Please welcome the brilliant and talented

Sarah Marshall! Oh, God, what a crazy intro. I feel so pumped up. I feel like I want to be one of those kids running onto the stage of Maury and attacking their parents with a chair. Yeah, right. They're so alive.

It's like, I don't care. Thank you so much. Yeah. Oh, man. I miss those. Did you ever do an episode about that? No, we really should. I was just thinking this morning, one of the things I find most fascinating is the question

of the inner workings of a 90s daytime talk show. Yeah. It's like, my God. Right. Because I mean, like, I feel like we got the, like the darkest glimpse after the Jenny Jones thing. Yeah. And that's when we started to be like, oh, no, no, no.

What was the Jenny Jones thing? What if our actions have consequences? The Jenny Jones one was where they outed one of their guests for being in love with this other man, right? And then the guy was murdered. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. I'm And then the guy was murdered. Oh, geez. Yeah.

I, I'm going to be iffy on the details, but yeah, there, and I don't think they aired the episode, but right. They, they did facilitate a murder there.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, you're wrong about as big on the satanic panic and they were such a big part of that. And so many other wonderful things

yeah a real accelerant to the yes like the wet cardboard and the the mushroom growing experience if we're gonna use a mycology metaphor right of course we are which we are yeah i was gonna ask for the best mycology metaphor you could come up with. Yeah. We've talked about, you're wrong about a lot on this podcast, especially around human trafficking. And it's just, I think the foremost debunker of bullshit myths and our show pedals bullshit. I mean,

it's what we do. We love to know. We also like to bust bullshit myths when we're heads up enough to catch them. So we wanted to just have you back on the show and go through some of the stories you've covered, some of your favorites, some of our favorites that we just want to make sure our listeners are aware of. Yeah. Because it's a great show. I'm so happy to be here. This is so lovely. And I'm so happy that we're in your zeitgeist.

And it's a really, it's like a lovely and bleak and lovely distinction to hold when it's like, you know, myth busting is one of the most important roles in society today. Unfortunately, it truly is. Caitlin Durante, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? Okay. Well, obviously, I'm looking at Shrek stuff. And I found out, slash, I think someone told me, someone DMed me on Instagram and told me about something called Shrek's Adventure, which is like a, I don't think it's quite a theme park, but it's like some sort of attraction in London. And I will be going to London on said Bechtelcast tour. And we're doing the Shrek-tanic tour, aka we're covering Shrek

and Titanic on this tour. So I have to be going to shrek's adventure and then that sent me down a rabbit hole and i discovered that there's a whole section of universal studios in singapore called far far away so there's a whole shrek theme park basically and so i just have to go to all of these places. So I was just Googling and doing some research, looking at the photos. And so that's my recent search history. I'm wondering if Shrek is popular in France. Is it in any way comparable to the other live experience that has been getting a lot of press recently? And that the man who put on said it quote unquote ruined his life oh i thought you were doing a roundabout plug of caitlin's live show again no i was talking about that willie wonka man that that truly that truly ruined people's lives yeah the fire the fire fest of children's attractions. I mean, not according to the website.

It is not similar because these families in the photographs look very happy taking a picture next to a man in a Shrek rubber mask in front of Big Ben. I think that's actually Shrek. Oh, yeah. Sorry. My bad. front of big ben actually shrek oh yeah sorry my bad next to shrek himself in front of big ben just look and waving at somebody in the sky off in the distance wow yeah so i'm going to that and i'm gonna have the best time yeah will you wave to the sky for me when Kaelin, when you go? Of course. Wow. I feel like mileage may vary based on what country you're in,

but Shrek is universal and international. Literally a property of universal. Yeah. How much more universal could you get? Right.

I actually just went to Universal Studios with my kids for the first time. Oh, my gosh. On Saturday morning. Pretty great. Did you go to the mummy ride? No. We just, we hit the, like, it was pouring rain out. Highly recommend that.

Go while it's pouring rain because then the lines are very short. And we hit the Simpsons ride. Did you go to Waterworld, the show? No, we had to leave right before everybody was going to Waterworld. I know. But the theme, the concept of Waterworld, I was explaining it because I thought we were going to have time to do it. I was explaining it to my kids. Oh my God, I'm actually hearing that and not going. Yeah. My six-year-old, two days later, was like, what was that movie? What was that world you were talking about where everything's like, there's no land? I was like, son, you're talking about Waterworld. And I can tell you are of me and mine kind because, yes, that, I remember when that shit came out, man. Like, oh my God, I was so excited.

It's so wild that you're bringing this up. Wait, the world is water? It's water world. It is wild that you're bringing this up because this is very relevant to my overrated. What, uh, Alex,

what is something you think is underrated? So underrated. I want to shout out cherry Coke zero. Okay. It's a fantastic. And I, I thought about it for a weird reason because me and my buddy, Katie golden,

we made like a weird tv recap podcast recently and we almost did it about a tv show called the young pope which is not a very good show it was from some years ago yeah and like jula is the young pope and the one thing i always think about with that show is that his character was obsessed with cherry coke zero so it's a show where like the pope is going around the Vatican, and before a meeting, he'll be like, where's my Cherry Coke Zero? At one point, he just says, Cherry Coke Zero,

and pounding his fist on the table way. And unfortunately, he is correct. It's a fantastic beverage. I want to have it all the time. I guess we're celebrating Good Friday by talking about the Pope having Cherry Coke Zero. Oh, yeah, it's Good Friday. Happy Good Friday.

The best. Happy Good Friday. The best of Fridays. But it's great. It's a step up from Coke Zero, if you've only had that. What do you think about the, you know, Coke is always experimenting, right? Full disclosure, I'm based in Atlanta, Georgia. And so we hear a lot of weird Coke stuff.

We get our finger on the pulse, you know. We get the weird, the wild swings sometimes just will show up in your neighborhood. Like there was, for instance, recently there was Coca-Cola Dream. And I tried it, right? Yeah. And in their defense, they never said whether it was a good dream or not. But that was not the vibe for me, man. And they've always got these new flavors coming out. So Cherry Coke Zero, that's one for you. Yes. I'm glad you bring up dream because I was not into that. The Spiced

Coke is okay. It's just called Spiced. It's not a Dune thing or whatever. And then at one point, they did like seven fruit flavors of Diet Coke, and I was mostly not into those. Yeah, they were bad. The Cherry Coke Zero, though, is a winner. And it's pretty available. You don't have to be – I assume you have some kind of Atlanta vault that you open up then and just grab it whenever you want. Bro, I'm so plugged in. You know, we got retinal scans.

We've got actually the Coca-Cola Museum, which is heavy propaganda, just to be completely honest. Oh, yeah. Nice. If you've been there, the culmination of the tour is a Willy Wonka-esque room where you can try, at least at the time I went, because all the kids take a field trip there, you can try every single flavor of beverage that the Coca-Cola company makes. Yeah, and it's, you know, there's some cinematography or choreography

of the soda, I would say, because it shoots across the room in an arc. What? Yeah, and you're like amazed. That sounds so sticky. Yeah, I wouldn't.. That sounds so sticky. Yeah, I wouldn't. Shooting through the air?

Shout out to the custodial staff. Yeah, wow. That's got to be rough around 6.30 p.m. They must be recruiting custodians around the country, just being like, this guy's got talent. Looking at closed caption CCTV footage of people wiping up spills, being like, this guy's a first-round draft pick. We got to get him into the Coke fountain room. And they have PTSD from it. You know, they talk about their time.

I've seen some shit, man. Yeah, I was seeing shit. You know, Cherry Coke Zero. I can't look at it. Cherry Coke Zero. I can't look at it. Cherry Coke Zero. I've never purchased it outside of a movie theater, but it is my, whatever that like universal freestyle Coke machine is. Coke Freestyle is great. Just as a system. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. I go Coke Zero and then I put the cherry in and it's bright red for some reason.

And man, I love that. There's like a bright red for some reason and man i love that there's like a bright red i mean not the whole drink but there is like a you know in the in the machine there's like a portion of the stream that is bright red so there's like some manner of like cherry syrup that's coming in that i think makes it different than the the pope's cherry Coke Zero's version. The hot pope? Wasn't that basically the character was, what if the pope fucked? It was so weird because it went through, sometimes you watch a show and you become very curious

about the creative process in the writer's room, and I thought maybe these guys just got real deep on cherry Coke Zebra, or maybe they had like, they were like, here's a checklist or maybe, maybe Jude Law came in and he was like, I will do this with the, with the following eccentricities.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure if that's the particular varietal of Coke that that show was written on, but yeah. Right. Exactly. It's non-negotiable. Man, what a blast from the past, man. But I can't. It's unhinged. It is unhinged. It is unhinged. It is freestyling. That's what they did. It is off the dome dome what if there was a pope who was jude law drop the beat you know drop the beat now yeah there there is a fascination with catholicism

in like i think that was made by like a great filmmaker like a european filmmaker that was like people were like what's there yeah an italian filmmaker everyone was like you know this person does not miss like what are they going to make next? HBO was like, blank check. What do you want to make? And they were like a show about like, what if Pope was young and kind of hot? That's the pitch, right? That's what they did.

Yeah. But like Scorsese's making a new series for Fox Nation. We talked about this on yesterday's trending. It's making a new series for the Fox, like the place where shows that were turned down by everybody else go to like have a brief afterlife. The Fox Nation, right?

Like the streaming platform. Scorsese's making a show about the saints for that station like are they hot are they hot saints probably hotter than uh you would expect but unclear and i i just i don't yeah the catholicism when people are like hey you know what it's like pascal's wager is like you know religion can't be all bad and like what what's the worst that can happen you know, it's like Pascal's wager is like, you know, religion can't be all bad. And like, what's the worst that can happen? You know, you just, you go to heaven and it's like, well, no, you like waste a lot of good talent

and energy on stuff that could have been otherwise. But who knows? Maybe Hot Pope is cool and I'm missing out. It sounds like I am. It's made by an Italian filmmaker and then Jude Law is an English actor, right? But he's also playing an American Pope. What if the Pope was

hot and really young so he's going to be Pope for a long, long time and American? What if these three crises strike? And he's super New York. He's cartoonishly New York. Really? Yeah. Yeah, dude. Hey, I'm the Pope over here.

Exactly. And the drink, I think the drink is maybe supposed to be a joke about Americans. Like he doesn't have coffee or tea or whatever. Like he's looking for a morning cherry Coke Zero, right? I think it's like the joke on Arrested Development where the American themed restaurant is piles of donuts that no one could ever eat like it's like kind of how dumb we are morning cherry coke zero is one of

is in the coke vault but it's spelled M-O-U-R-N-I-N-G it's supposed to give you a feeling of foreboding and sadness yeah slogan pour one out pour one out directly into your mouth. What's something you think is overrated?

Right now I'm going to go with mental health. I just think being well mentally is overrated right now at this point in my life and in time. I'm really just leaning into to mental illness let's just let it go you know let's let's just lean it like if you're depressed watch as many murder sad documentaries as you can let's just see what happens that's you know i just i feel like it's i'm a bit weak i gave mental health a shot and let me just go the other way for a bit. Yeah, for you, it's like, I'm going to just, I've leaned one way. I'm going to lean the other and see where I net out.

See where I net out. Yeah. You know, I've been watching so many things that are to improve myself or educate, reading. No, no. You know what? I sat and I watched, I binged a four episode documentary about some YouTuber I've never heard of in my life who like groomed a bunch of people. It was sad and dark, but I wanted to, hey, I leaned in. Now I know about this person.

Yeah. Which, I was going to say, which documentary? Because I feel like there's always a fucking documentary about YouTubers that are grooming people. I, oh, I've uh what is this like oh siren oh not oh uh oh onision onision in real life yeah i'd never heard of this guy and the whole time i was like what's his name orion oh no oh no nine and i felt like the oldest person in the world because everyone else was like he's very well known it's so wild too like I do the same thing like I it's weird when like I see something on

the internet that has like millions of views and like just like youtuber and I'm like what the I never heard of I've never heard of this son what the fuck is this but yeah I know yeah I too have fallen down the Onision oh yeah and that that broke me a bit mentally so yeah yeah right and then you're like what do I need mental health for, that broke me a bit mentally. So yeah. Yeah. Right. And then you're like, what do I need mental health for? What do I need? YouTube video did it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm off the cliff now. Okay. Yeah. I feel like I was like, sometimes I'm doing mental health wrong, but I'm when I'm focusing too much on how I'm feeling, I feel like I tend to, you know, you know what I mean? Like if I'm focusing, if I'm thinking about my mental

health and thinking about how I'm feeling and how happy I am, like that fucks me up because then if I feel bad, it's like, you know, like you're fucking, I feel bad about feeling bad, you know? Yeah. So yeah, just like, I don't know. Not great. So that's why you have to create that's, I just think of it more of like just putting yourself in the good, the right environment. That's why you have to create. That's I just think of it more of like just putting yourself in the good of the right environment. Yeah. Yeah.

More so than being like, am I 1000% happy, like ecstatic going off? I was like, no, man, I just need to make sure like I'm I'm in a good I'm always putting myself in the right environments, creating myself the right. You know what? I throw that all out the window and just go with just ball. Do what you want to do. Just do it for the story. Yeah. Don't even think about how you feel.

How do you what do you want? How does it feel right now? Right. That's what's underrated. There you go. All right. That and a wall, obviously. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about the Supreme Court. What are those crazy kids getting up to?

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of evangelical Christianity and some of our biggest social movements of the past half century. And you recently had an episode about the pro-life movement that was surprising to me. Like, I think you said this right off the bat that I was not expecting you to point out. The pro-life movement is younger than Jeff Bridges. Than the dude. This is how we mark age now. Yes. Yeah.

But it's, yeah, like, I guess it's specific. Like, there were people who were opposed to abortion before that. But the kind of concerted, cohesive, evangelical-driven version kind of starts in 1973. of starts in 1973. And it's part of this movement by evangelicals to be like, hey, so our values, people hate them. We've got bad values. We're pro-segregation. Nobody else seems to like that very much. They're pretty, you know, they recognize that they're going the wrong way in terms of relevancy. They're in need of a real makeover. Exactly. And so, yeah, they settle on abortion, which the most well-known evangelical in the 70s was Jimmy Carter, which is like, that's not who I come to associate evangelicals with,

but it was like a different time. And at that time, you didn't necessarily like being super violently against people's right to have an abortion was not one of the first things you associated with evangelicals. No, or with the Republican Party. And I always love to cite the fact that Betty Ford famously was a pro-choice Republican and that that was a coherent political position for the First Lady to have at the time. Wow. Yeah. And Jimmy Carter being an evangelical, a social justice warrior, some would say. This is not exactly my field, but many of my fields brush up against it, and the history of evangelism in America really connects to the idea that God really is of and for the people, and that prayer is about direct communication with the divine, and that you deserve to have a connection to the Holy Spirit without there needing to be some kind of conduit. So it really is, in a way, another wave of, you know, the various religious reformations that we've seen throughout history that have made Christianity more and more egalitarian. And there's historically been a

lot of potential for good in that and still is, but's just that you know uh christian evangelical christianity in 2024 i think is absolutely synonymous with the unbelievably sinister theocratic kleptocratic fascist dictatorship that we're now basically living in so that's really fun that's nice they really should not see it going that way like Like, I guess I did because we grew up. It's the compliment sandwich. You know, you got to start with the good. And then episode or not, but just if you look at what the evangelical movement has done over the past 40 years in our lifetime, it's kind of what paranoid eras of the U.S. accused communists of doing. You know, that there's going to be this secret takeover, that they're going to secretly infiltrate our supreme court and like they have failed to infiltrate the media which is nice you know interestingly there's nothing conservatives are worse at than making media yeah they tried turning their hat around backwards

turning the chair around backwards they tried everything piercing everything backwards yeah still can't get us but yeah and then it's kind of what they accuse satanists of doing in the 80s like secretly absolutely yeah and what they're accusing you know all these drag queen groomers of doing now there's a very in any kind of abusive relationship where you think that your abuser has more complicated motives than you ultimately realize that they do. It's, I think, largely a projection game. Yeah. Right. And it seems like so many of the moral panics, too, like all the ones we've mentioned, even human trafficking, they're sort of built on people's inability or like unwillingness to examine actual systemic forces. And it's just much easier to chalk it up to like, yeah, it's this other thing, man. It's these Satanists that are going that are freaking out. It's like, it's not that there's inequality is that there are these flash rob mobs where they just go through and steal everything and it's a crime wave and it just allows i don't know for

people to sort of neatly put some kind of larger issue into a problem that doesn't quite actually get to the root of the cause yeah i i've been fascinated by slasher movies for a long time and i think that they do a weirdly great job of illustrating this very i think kind of core piece of american folklore where you know to use friday the 13th as the example think, kind of core piece of American folklore where, you know, to use Friday the 13th as the ur-example, like, some kind of, like, the traditional Sasher template is that somebody is wronged in the past, Jason drowns because the counselors weren't paying attention. Too busy canoodling. That boy drowned.

And then some kind of force avenging the wronged party shows up in the present and innocent teens who are simply smoking a joint or making out suffer. sort of momentarily acknowledge that injustice has occurred in the past but as long as you turn a representative of that injustice into a force so dangerous that there's no proportionate response except killing them then you can justify any action in the present and kind of even out the lecture and that feels like a really i don't't know, some way that we were thinking through with these summer camp movies, the kind of dominant political ideology we were all living under. Yeah.

Well, it is a kind of frontier wilderness setting that everybody's familiar with. And that is where, you know, colonial, like, American culture. These summer camps are fucking never populated. No. Except in sleepaway camp. They're always way out there in the woods. And then, yeah, they are being punished.

Like, I just think that at a certain level, there's, like, an unspoken knowledge amongst americans that like oh yeah we we've got it coming like this has oh yeah then that like what every everything we've everything you see around you is built on top of just ashes and atrocities. And we've got something horrible coming. And so, yeah, it makes sense when slasher films, like it does feel like if an alien came down and just like looked at our films, slasher films would be pretty difficult to explain

if they didn't have like a psychological read on like, they'd be like, oh my we feel really fucking bad about it. Does this go on? No, no, no. It would never happen. It's just a thing we like to imagine happening to us. Why? What is wrong with you?

I think we got a comment or something. I don't know. I don't know. No, I just like, we kind of like hate ourselves. It's kind of like an act of masochism. Yeah. Yeah. We know we are not what was intended to quote the movie Sunshine.

Right. So we put the poltergeist house on top of a Native American burial ground. Yeah. Yeah. That gets it out. That gets it out. It's just funny how like that, that sort of that angst manifests in different ways, sometimes in films, other times in people screaming at school board meetings. We're like, I don't want my kids to know what a civil war is or was about.

People should be watching more horror movies, I think. Yeah. Right. I wonder if that's my aversion. Why am I so horror averse? I wonder. What am I? You don't feel guilty about anything.

Yeah. You've got a clean consciousness. Yeah. I guess there's like a black and Japanese American. I'm like, I don't know, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all got that shit coming. Yeah. You've got a clean consciousness. Yeah. I guess there's like a black and Japanese American. I'm like, I don't know, bro. Yeah.

Yeah. Y'all got that shit coming. Yeah. You shouldn't feel weird about not liking horror movies. That's us,

man. We're weird for liking them. Yeah. It's just, yeah. White people, four hours a week,

go to the horror movie clinic, get shown a movie. Well, because I mean, like, there's also like bad, I mean,

there's Japanese horror films and there's clearly, there's a laundry list of atrocities that Japan has committed to. And I wonder, are there, like, what's German horror like? Is there like a universal language of like sort of expressing this, like through what we consider horror? Well, the cultural differences are really interesting because I feel like Japanese horror movies, there are often ghosts. Yeah, no, precisely. And we have so few ghosts nowadays in American horror. We love demons. We won't shut up about demons, to my chagrin.

Germany just has Werner Herzog, who's just like, everything is a horror movie. There's three Herzog documentaries a year. Werner Herzog's new TV hour special about crayons. Why do you need horror movies when nature is trying to kill you always? Gardening with Werner Herzog.

Yeah, that's just a documentary about hummingbirds. In the abundance of these greens pushing their way out through the soil i see none of the divinity of springtime or the pagan gods i see only pointless but i can also use them to make a nice pesto the while we're on the subject of movies you kind of stumbled on i i don't like the andes you did an episode on the andes rescue the uh alive story as i think it's mostly known in america the

rugby team crashes in the andes is living there for months on a freaking glacier. On a glacier, freezing to death, starving to death, eventually turned to cannibalism to avoid starving to death. So this past year, one of the best movies I saw was Society of the Snow, which does a really good job of updating. You know, there was the version in the 90s, Alive, with like Ethan Hawke, I think. And, you know, it was like the Hollywoodized version. Society of the Snow, like, updates it and like, adds a lot of the humanity back to it, which was something that your episode really did. I really missed something that I loved that you brought up, which is that people like they realize that somebody is actually using a fire extinguisher to like make it look like there's an avalanche coming with them as a bit and then they're like pretend they were like talking like planning bits for what to do when the helicopter arrives at the scene of their plane crash like talking about like the funniest thing to say while they were in it but it's just it's i i don't know generally just movies about true stories and history feel like they have to be as humorless as like a christopher nolan film you know right and totally it's just not how

reality is like i i would have loved the bits in both of those movies. Oh, yeah. Because even you think about the wild stuff engineering students pull while they're in college. You know what I mean? Yeah. JPL is nearby in LA and they do wild pumpkin carving contests. Just weird things. They're like, no, we're using our brain power like brain power to get stuff to other like the moon to have fucking fun and yet i think that like they were just i don't know at uh in where were the los alamos they were just like hanging out counting

marbles or something i'm like all right i'm gonna go to bed yeah see you later like they weren't horsing around come on now yeah no yeah those they were doing bits constantly like all throughout history and i think it i really do think it's the same reason that comedies almost never win at the academy awards is the reason that they feel like they need to launder movies of any like fun when they're about history yeah no this has to be serious we't, we have to like remove the fun, but I feel like it would just feel more lived in. And yeah, I don't know. It would be a blast

if we actually saw how the people were funny at the time. Well, and you know, and I think about when you think about the movies that endure and that are a part of your life and that you watch a lot, like, and you know, it's different people have different requirements some people have comfort movies that have no funny parts in them at all god bless sure but like aren't most of the things that you watch more than a couple times funny

yeah they have fun yeah the characters are having fun or they're funny or yeah there's the you know because it's like a full spectrum of humanity it's kind of like eating an entire meal with nothing no sweetness in it at all like you can do it but it's it feels there's something missing yeah right yeah the other thing that got left out of both movies that your episode kind of restores is like it's kind of an important detail like you go from the story of them like surviving getting rescued to that that's kind of it and then like today we know them as like the cannibal people and the the media discovering the cannibalism like the doctor checking them out and being like wait a second

these guys like had to have been eating something and then like a big like moral judgment ensues and like everybody's like their family is like upset by it and they're like wait would our parents have rather us starve to death right and then like the Catholic church weighs in and is like, no, it's good that they were eating people, which was very cool of the Catholic church. Every so often they do something useful, yeah. Yeah, every once in a while they nail it. And then the other detail was that they were like,

a few days walk from a hotel full of canned food was like, I don't know. It's not always the way. I can see why you left it out. But Jesus Christ. I mean, like Triangle of Sadness. Like that. It's yeah. I don't know if you guys saw that movie.

I did. I really liked that movie. And I saw that the night that midterm results were coming in. So it was like perfect for that. Very distracting. Yes. Oh, that's a good idea. Just watch a really good like save a really good movie for when the for election night. the kind of text curve tragedy is what makes it feel real. And I think that to some extent, when we tell stories that are so grim and feel so distant from us, that that's a way of us feeling like it's not going to happen to us when, you know, really so many of these things are the result of being in a boat, being in a skyscraper, being in the path of a forest fire. Like we're

going to have more and more epidemics and disasters and they're just going to become part of everyday life for those of us who don't feel that way yet. I hope we can remember to be funny and... We're going to be so funny. We're going to be the funniest generation that has ever lived. That has ever lived

through an apocalypse. The aliens will come and they're like, wow, as their civilization was dying, they put out some of the best comedies. Some of these bits are really funny. Some of their best content

came right near the end. The guy made a drum set out of billionaire skulls and was touring doing solos. It was really quite artistic, I have to say.

Oh, yeah. It'll be great. Those I think you should leave quotes as their city was burning down. Well, then once the grid went down, they had to make those meme museums. Right, right. And those were a real treat. Yeah.

That would be fun, though, to, like, figure out which memes go in the museum. Like, you might as well just do that now. I feel like it would be a good public works project biden come on yeah come on put these yeah because we're gonna have somebody out of work tiktokers when you ban the app yeah no work uh you know the new civil conservation corps of meme collection and remembrance yeah all right let's uh let's take a quick break and we'll come back. We'll keep talking. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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stories we cover we're ending it it's a We just do what the sun tells us to. Right, exactly. But this is going to give more Americans a clear view of the phenomenon than the last time I'm on the record as saying I've been mostly, I haven't been in the direct path of any of these eclipse experiences, but they've been mostly underwhelming in my experience. It's because you've got to be in the path of totality. You've got to go on the path of totality.

But we still try. We still go out there and we're like, whoa, look, that light reflecting off the thing kind of has a crescent shape. Yeah, wow, look at that. Look at the shadow. Oh, yeah. Or do you use binoculars or something and aim them so you can project the shadow

onto the ground? I remember doing that as a kid. Yeah. And then I go, honestly, I think I could look at it. I really don't think anything will happen if I look at it. I'm just going to... Oh, I've looked. And my boyfriend goes, no, no.

And I'm like, okay. Come on. I don't think anything would happen. I've taken a sneaky look at the eclipse. I don't give a fuck. I look at the sun every day in my life basically you gotta give it I like to give a good solid three minutes of direct eye contact

with the sun every morning that's how I reset my day that's how I elevate as a human you need three minutes just eye contact with the sun factory reset I know you're saying you put a hyper ice massage gun to the temple as a way to do a hard reset. Factory reset on your brain.

The new one, go outside. First thing you wake up, direct eye contact with the sun for three straight minutes. Solar eclipse lasts for four minutes, 27 seconds. So that's the ice bucket challenge of this solar eclipse is staring for the whole four minutes, 27 seconds. For 420, yeah, there you go. Yeah, there you go. Are you real? How much do you like solar eclipses, bro?

Come on. You've got like science people who are like, yeah, no, we're traveling there. Oh, yeah? You're about that? Then you look at it raw. Then look at it. Yeah. You go raw.

Look at it raw. Go in with the eyes raw. Burn the corneas. Exactly. Spend the rest of your day blinking a lot because there's a big blind spot there. Yeah, exactly. The rest of your life blinking. But people are going nuts.

I specifically, when our writer, Jan, put the story in the doc this morning, I immediately was like, oh, shit. I better do something. And it's way too late. So these people aren't wrong. They're just more prepared than me. There's been a small spending boom across the country. Campgrounds and rental cars have sold out. Hotel rooms are getting booked up thanks to a massive number of tourists planning to visit states in the path of totality. Indiana, which Ashley, isn't that where you hail from? I am from the Midwest. I'm from Illinois.

You're from the Midwest. Illinois. I'll claim it as Midwest, but we are better than them. Yes, of course. Indiana is preparing to get 500,000 visitors. That's a lot for Indiana. Who goes there? That's probably the most they've had in a while. That's more than seven times the attendance at the 2012 Super Bowl in Indianapolis. So they're in trouble. Wow. I was going to say that's probably more than the last time the Colts were in the Super Bowl. Yeah. It's too many people, some would say, for a city like Indianapolis. It's too many people, some would say, for a city like Indianapolis.

But despite the fact that eclipses are totally free astronomical occurrences that anybody can witness, corporations besides, you know, not just hotels are trying to monetize the eclipse as much as possible. This one sounds pretty good. Like, I'm actually not mad at this first one. Six Flags in Texas. I'm mad at this first one. I'm mad at this first one. Go on. Six Flags in Texas is trying to get people to pay them to witness the eclipse

while simultaneously trying not to puke on the Superman Tower of Terror with the Six Flags Fiesta Texas Solar Eclipse at the Park, aka Solar Coaster. That sounds cool. That sounds cool as fuck. What's your problem because i don't i don't think the experience is gonna be that cool right i think the old the i guess the hottest ticket would be what if you're because i know those superman rides it's like

basically a big j-shaped thing where they shoot you up to like fucking 700 feet in the air and then you're like you know your bag like you're just looking straight up at the sky i get maybe being that high up in it when an eclipse is happening now you're gonna be in but that's like that's like 40 people yeah that's what i'm like make a fuck out of you and i like it only lasts four minutes so yeah exactly i know it's like one like it's actually between like deployments of the like the the amusement car so it's like no one actually ever gets up there it's like they're just getting on and off it's yeah oh dude it's happening get off so we can go up to like sorry we missed it no that's a really good point like they are selling an idealized version of what this could be in your mind that is going

to not happen for 99.9% of the people who pay them. Most people are going to be in line. Which, that's a good grift. That's a good grift. It is a really good grift. Better grift. Okay, I definitely, I'll tip my hat to the grift part. I think the Delta one has me hooked a little bit more,

but then realizing this will be a fucking, I don't know how fun it would be, but they're offering flights that basically follow the path of totality. And then you can basically they're saying unadulterated views from quote extra large windows. I'm sorry. It's just the fucking windows

that are on the plane. What is this a new plane? What are you doing to make the windows extra large? I don't trust this. Not at all. These are made by Boeing. I don't know if you've seen what the sides of their planes do. I am not doing,

not with everything going on with planes. I think there's a Mercury retrograde and then, no, I am not going to be on a plane during this. But I can see like the appeal of being like, oh, you might be able to see like the land like become dark in these strips. Maybe that's cool.

But then, if you only, but imagine what cool. I would like that. Imagine what, if this is one of those planes, how big is a plane? Is it a three? They got three aisles? Or three rows in the fucking middle? What if you sit in the middle? Or if you have a fucking aisle seat? Then you're like, hey man, can I get a little bit of a look? They're like, fuck you, I paid fucking $6,000

for this. So did I. That's your fucking problem. That's your fucking problem. They're doing a good job of you know dangling this like magical experience in front of you but if you just think it out for like two or three steps you're like oh wait yeah like why would i do this i feel like even the like news footage from the like places that are in the path of totality and previous eclipses the people remind me i think i said this before of the interviews with people after they saw phantom menace like you know they like the the when they have like the local news reports and they're like

and these star wars fans have been camped out for 72 hours for this. And we interviewed them before going in and after. And then you have them coming out and they're all like, yeah. It was, oh, man. It's like, oh, it was cool. So cool. They're like, is it as good as the other Star Wars? Better. Yeah.

But you can tell the light has out like behind their eyes a little bit like they're just like no fuck like put some part of them is coming to terms with the fact that it sucked like i feel like i've seen that in some of the footage of like parents who have like taken their kids across the country to be there and they're just like yeah i mean we're in a field here and sure it's cool we're glad that i remember i think somewhere in oregon was like the best place to see it the last time it happened yeah i think that's right and i remember seeing footage of that and people like we're like yo it got so fucking cold all of us like all that shit together i was like okay if i was fucking high i would be like that'd be cool wild but then it's four minutes and then you're like oh it's like okay well that

happened yeah well here we are worth two twenty five hundred dollars for the overpriced plane hotel and cars well we'll have all the money we spent that's the memory right what the fuck that's right when are we getting ours out here in la come on man wasn't there come on god wasn't there an eclipse out here we had like a la like mini eclipse or something we had a yeah but not like a total like we were never in the path of totality we've never been path of totality exactly but i mean like yeah well you know people like delta are doing their shit i'm glad that the fast food companies are also there. They're on their game to making sure that they have solar eclipse based puns, but really just offering nothing of substance. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the Burger King is offering free Whoppers for that whole day for some reason.

I wouldn't eat a Whopper if it was free. wouldn't eat a whopper if it was free yeah i don't that connection i'm not saying i would i actually would i like i like a whopper but i i think we're boycott i don't know i haven't had burger king in years so no just no just for me i was like every time i've had a burger like a whopper i'm like i'm all right but then that what that like yeah every other time it's bad but when when it hits when the burgers and the lettuce and tomato white sauce it's her, but when it hits, when the burgers are hot, and the lettuce and tomato sauce. It's murder. It only happens on Whopper Wednesday. That's the one

day that it's really good. Or an eclipse. During an eclipse, it's the one time. I'll see. Guys, we're actually going to make the Whopper good this time. Really put some fucking effort in, y'all. Pizza Hut has a total eclipse of the hut deal which sounds like the new york post headline

after pizza hut goes out of business yeah yeah that's kind of weird that they've gone with that but maybe that's what they're going for they're like this deal is too good we're actually not going to survive it but it's any large pizza for twelve dollars and yeah and any toppings i think that's the big one there because that's where they get you is the toppings are extra toppings will fuck you up yeah twelve dollars for as many toppings as you want well that even but i know recently you're like you're not feeling pizza the hut so are you would you yeah entertain that load that shit down yeah yeah i love i like a topping full pizza i love supreme pizza like that's my shit yeah they're thin and crispy is pretty good too you love pizza hut just generally

yeah like i like yeah i loved the mini pizzas growing up as a kid and so it just kind of became one of my favorite pizza spots for you know like cheap fast pizza it's greasy yeah it's better than like a papa john's or little caesar's yeah yeah who was the guest i was saying that it's basically they're they're they're selling you little caesar's pizza at a slight higher markup is how they describe the cheese is way better at pizza hut okay but you know what crazy bread at at Little Caesars. That's still... Little Caesars is in the lab. Little Caesars is experimenting with little pizza cupcakes or something.

I don't know. I just caught that out of the corner of my eye. They're struggling. Not now, Little Caesars. Not now. They're paying a lot of people on Twitter to promote it. Yeah. They're like, please, please, please.

I can't deal with this right now. They're like, eat ours from the ass end. You're like, what? I think that was one of the marketing when they had the fucking wild ass crust on the side. They're like, eat it from the back. I don't think they put it that way. Or something. Eat it from the back.

We know how these online kids are. Yeah, they like eating ass. So eat it from the ass end. Pizza, pizza. Sun Chips have woken from their slumber. Again, another brand that we only think about once every 20 years. The Sun Chips will be selling a special eclipse-themed flavor, but only during the time

of the eclipse. In order to experience this, you will need to be during the eclipse spending that time on your laptop trying to buy Sun Chips. It's

available, like the marketing says, available for four minutes, 27 seconds. Okay, this sounds dumb, but when I read the flavor, I was actually like, I would do it. I want to try it. It's different enough that you're like, oh, okay.

Because sometimes they'll be like, the flavor description will be so vague. They'll be like, it's like a combination of the dark side of the moon and the heat of the sun hitting your mouth in one go. And you're like, get to the point. Pineapple, habanero, black beans, spicy Gouda chips. That's too many flavors. I want to see. I'm like, how are we doing this?

I mean, like, black beans think i think they have two options they have pineapple habanero and black bean spicy the two stoners over here like pile it on bro black bean with that cacophony of flavors straight palm me tongue now no way okay well i'm gonna buy them both and I'm going to eat them together. So whatever. Yeah. All right. So this next detail of this story is one of the rare things that made me say that's fucked up out loud.

Despite everything we just said? Yeah, despite everything we just said. So eclipse tourists are being screwed over by greedy hotels who are allegedly canceling reservations that were made over a year ago by people who were like on it. Like we've known about this eclipse since the 1600s. You could have booked this shit way the fucking advance. You could have been prepared. Yes. Yeah, right. And they booked it over a year ago in order to,

you know, be there for the eclipse and the hotels are canceling those reservations because they're like, not fair. We weren't able to gouge you enough. And so basically trying to resell the room at a higher cost. Now that demand has risen, that make like,

that should be the thing that starts the uprising. Yeah. Like fuck. Yeah. That there should be a thing that starts the uprising. Like, fuck that. There should be a bunch of angry nerds starting a war. No, that is so infuriating. And they'll just get away with it. They're like, yeah, it's the price gouging shit. It's the whole, like, you know know the fact that they don't mind just raising prices during the fucking pandemic because they can and the mainstream media is just like yeah well that's

market cap forces at work it's like no that's companies making record profits during a pandemic like they yeah this i this drives me fucking crazy that it's just like market forces is a get out of like morality term that they're just gonna use to fuck people over like forever and like this is that is that makes me so mad for some reason canceling the reservations of the people who play because like that could never be me i could never be the person who was like oh the thing's coming up in a year like this this would be a great experience for my kids uh i'm gonna book it a year in advance and we'll like plan this thing like that is i look on those people like they are fucking professional yeah yeah i

would never that would never be me. How? You're amazing. You are great. You should benefit. I feel like though, Jack, if you did put in that effort and then a fucking hotel canceled on you, you would be the main character in one of those like Uwe Boll films. Falling down. Yeah. Like it would be. Yes.

I would be. It would be over for these hosts in the hotel industry. These hotels. I'm burning it down. over for these hoes in the hotel industry. These hotels. These hotels. I'm burning it down. Yeah. Yeah.

I would be so angry. I'm so mad. I've never been so mad on behalf of like complete strangers who just like kind of got screwed out of like some money. Yeah. But well, I guess they got screwed out of the whole thing because like now all the hotels are booking up and so they're just like without reservations. I mean, at the very least, like if in the most cynical version, they should be like, hey, man, we're thinking about canceling a reservation.

Yeah. Somebody just offered us a fucking bag for your really comfortable, your double twin room that you booked. You want to match? Maybe. We're giving you first refusal on this one. The other one that people are probably more likely to fall victim to is

the fake-ass eclipse glass. Fake eclipse glasses, which will damage your eyes. So basically, you need, if they don't clearly state on the glasses that they have, quote, International Organization for Standardization, ISO 12312-2 certification, do not buy those for your kids and you. Make sure it's that dash two, not the dash one.

You don't want to, yeah. That one just means. Oh, dash one. No, that will accelerate the damage to your eyes yeah i don't even know you actually won't have eyebrows or eyelashes gonna burn it all off yeah holy shit yeah back in 2017 amazon recalled sketchy eclipse glasses sold through their site but they did it just two days before the eclipse and ended up facing a class action lawsuit so there nobody's going to save you from

capitalism this is the message of this eclipse i mean yeah yeah eclipses have set off like big historic events but in the past maybe this this will cause it cause us to overthrow capitalism so something activates the whole country's manchurian candidates that just like what destroy our masters i it just reminds me too that just like, what? Destroy our masters. It just reminds me, too, of just like in like the height of the pandemic, when everyone was like, oh, yeah, these are these N95s I got, man. You wasn't. I got these. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

In fact, they were not. They were not N95s. If they are not NIOSH approved or whatever, you're like, holy shit, here we go. And people are just like, those are joke sunglasses from someone's bar mitzvah that got canceled, man. Don't you see that they have eyeballs attached to springs on it? Don't you see the fake mustache

and fake nose? That one still has it on. They forgot to rip it off that one. Oh, shit. Alright, my bad. Alright, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly zeitgeist please like and review the show if you like the show uh means the world to miles he he needs your validation folks uh i hope you're having a great weekend and i will talk to you Monday. Bye. Thank you. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series,

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