The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 318 (Best of 4/22/24-4/26/24)

Episode Date: April 28, 2024

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a show about all the ways the supreme court is a complete disaster it's also a supervising attorney at texas law has worked as a public defender in rio grande city texas please welcome to the show riannon hamad hello do i sing am i gonna do like a little jingle for myself if you got one yeah. Yeah, I'm here. We're great. Hot Girl Summer coming up. There we go. All right. Predicted here, here, here.

My shoulders started moving a little bit. Yeah, I was like, shit. Yeah, I'm feeling that one. What's your, what's your, the thing I always ask people and they're like, should I sing? I was like, what's your karaoke go-to? Oh, I do have the go-to karaoke is always tlc no scrubs oh shit yeah you start there right like you can the sky's the limit after that yeah yeah but once you get going on that the vibes are going on that your power is uh sort of centered in a no scrubs direction yeah karaoke

is is boundless and that's brave because karaoke bars are usually full of so many scrubs. I can't imagine that's very popular. Yeah. They're like this are booing and hissing. She's talking about me. But I, I, I do think I'm fine. And people, I'm also known to be a buster. oh no no no no sometimes i hang out the passenger side of my best friend's ride fully hanging out the passenger side of my best friend's ride the whole time i just get in the car and i'm hanging out the whole time i had a friend who and then when the song first came out they could have swore they were saying is also known as a bus stop i was like you need to hang around around different people that's like a That sounds like a Joe Biden slang. Like, hey, let's call him the bus stop. Yeah, he's one of these scrubs. He's also known as a bus

stop. Corn Pop was always hanging around the bus stop. I'm serious. He was a cannibal. And I'm serious, man. I'm serious, man. No, we know you think you're serious. Right. No, you're not a serious person. Sure, sure, sure. In your brain, you think you're serious. Right. No, you're not a serious person. Sure, sure, sure. In your brain, you think you're serious.

Yeah, but I mean that. What I mean is I mean what I'm saying. Yeah, no, we know. Why don't you sit down, though? We wish you didn't, but yeah. Because your ice cream is melting all over your suit, sir. It's just really unseemly. Just forget about his ice cream. Could you imagine? I feel like that would do a lot of

damage to his campaign. Just sloppy melted ice cream i feel like that would do a lot of damage to his campaign just sloppy melted ice cream all over his suit people be like oh you know what that was it for me somehow i think that's how they focus they need that damage on top of like yeah genocide or yeah oh okay okay okay so the ice cream is gonna yeah he'll yeah maybe he'll do that to distract from his lack of action there and he's like but I got this ice cream all over. Oh, most sloppy. Oh, poor me. But secretly, I'm really mad at BB. Really

secretly. Not out loud. Yeah, yeah. Not out loud. No, of course. What is something from your search history? Well, I'm going to change it up. I'm going to tell you something real. I'm going to tell you something like, well, not real, but I up i'm gonna tell you what thank you something real i'm gonna tell you something like well not real but you know i'm not gonna tell you about like a

uh humanzy documentary or oh come on right um you know you should still check that out but i've been googling pulmonary nodule ever since i broke my shoulder in January. I broke my shoulder in January on the ice. And then when they x-rayed it, they found, well, they thought it was a bruise on my lung from like when I hit the steps. I slipped on my front steps. And one stair broke my rib and the other stair broke my shoulder. And when they did the x-ray, you know, so I was like, the doctor gave me morphine and he said, you don't need surgery. And then he asked me why I was in a good mood. I think I've been through this with you guys.

I don't know. But he asked me why I was such a, he said, I don't understand your affect. Did he really? Yeah. He was like, you seem too happy or something. What is he, an AI-powered medical bot? I do not understand your affect. Was it because you were on morphine?

That's what I told him. I said was it because you were on morphine that's what i told him i said well you gave me morphine and also just this isn't like i broke my hip in 2018 and that was fucking so this is not a broken hip so i'm already like in a decent like i'm walking around you know my arm's in a sling but who cares compared to that anyway so then he's like oh yeah and by the way we found this pulmonary nodule and then all of a sudden everything went you know i was like oh god what the hell's that you know you hear the way, we found this pulmonary nodule. And then all of a sudden, everything went. I was like, oh, God, what the hell is that? You hear pulmonary. You don't hear pulmonary ever. You don't hear pulmonary.

Yeah, no. So then he was like, oh, well, normally, it might be nothing. You have a 13-millimeter pulmonary nodule. It's just like a little growth in your lung, and you should have it checked. So then I was like spun out for like a couple of days. And then, but I couldn't get an appointment with a pulmonologist until, well, at first they offered May. So I was like, well, and then they found a person who could see me in March. So that still gave me a couple months.

So I just sort of like spin out. Yeah. But I did forget about it eventually because I Googled it and it was like most pulmonary nodules, 85% of them are nothing scar tissue from previous illnesses or whatever it is but you usually non-malignant but they're they prefer to be the non-malignant ones like you're looking at hopefully five millimeters eight millimeters 13 was a little big but still it was like most of these are nothing so i kind of put it out of my mind because a couple months and i really did which is a testament to like fucking therapy and zoloft because it was the old days like if it was when i was younger before i addressed my

real anxiety that or i don't know anyway i would have worried non-stop for those whole two months so the fact that i was even able to go back to my regular life was was was kind of nice and then and then when i went to get it i got went to the doctor they did they did um he said yeah you have 13 millimeter thing and and we got to look we got to look at it you know because it's kind of big you know it's not you know it's not huge but he's like we got to look at it so you're going to do a PET scan so a PET scan is like you you know it's a cancer generally it's a cancer test to see if like sort of nodules and things are active. Like you want it to be dead.

You want it to be scar tissue. You want it to be not active. Right, right. So I, so I go and get the PET scan and they put dye in your arm and stuff. And I don't mind that stuff because like I wasn't parented properly. So like when I'm at the doctor,

I feel like I'm finally like getting some, I i actually really yes i really do i really do you guys are laughing too hard that's too hard to laugh at that you're not supposed to laugh that hard it's too real dude we were just talking before i was like dude chris you're gonna fucking say some bummer shit but it got too real again i let into this my nervous response miles miles like i was telling miles beforehand yeah this has been a quite a couple months for me it really has it's been it's been the worst few months of my life oh my god i am so happy now though i mean i got through it and so then they did the scan and then they're like all it's you're all clear it's no no no no no no That's why I'm going through the scary version.

So I go to get the PET scan, and I feel great because I like people, like, touching me and stuff, you know, like putting things in my arms. I do, too. Like, I will get a haircut just to have somebody touch my head. Yeah, it feels good. There's something really wrong about that. See, Miles looks like he was parented correctly. That's because he's so confused right now. I'm fucking squinting and really yucking my yum on this one. was never i didn't know jack i would be more i would be so much more

affectionate with you in person oh man you know i love give me a little between the shoulder blades rub a little a little hey because every time every time i hug jack he releases the hug first that's how i know i'm like come on baby stay i think I thought you were going to say I release a black dye that forms a cloud around me and then I and then I'm blinded moments and then I retreat every time I hug Jackie it releases a cloud of black dye

Miles are you breaking into aquariums again? no that's what it is that's like hugging an Irish person hugging an Irish person like they've never been touched until they went to the barber. Yeah, we freeze. You go to the barber. Yeah, the first time you're ever touched, you go to the barber. I went to a barber once.

You ever gone to a barber where they give you the whole treatment with the hot towel and everything? Yeah. Oh, come on. And then an Irish guy doesn't know what to do. I'm like, am I supposed to be able to moan? Am I supposed to go, ah? I think this barber is in love with me. Yeah, I'm like, daddy, daddy.

Dude, here this fool goes again. He's probably going to go to the barber and be like, yo, this barber is down to fucking go out with me. I'm like yeah daddy dad dude here this fool goes again he's probably gonna go to the barber and be like yo this barber's down to fucking go out with me i'm pretty sure barber's down to fuck barber said i was different than the other customers that come in here every day barber's down to fuck but i never come i was talking to miles before this or just about a time on the show and i just don't even clarify chris it doesn't matter okay let's clarify one thing i do come on pet sounds pet scans anyway so i got back to back to pet scans so i got i got the results sent to me in in a portal yeah right before the doctor looked at them so i looked in the portal and i i've got the labs but i'm not a doctor so i'm like well they must not they

wouldn't send them to me if they're bad like they wouldn't send me bad news for me to look at before the doctor would they well yeah they would so it says active it says activity it says concerning it says all this all this horrible stuff so that's when i'm like oh my god then the doctor calls me the next day and he's like yeah yeah, there's two things lit up. The nodule lit up and the and the and the lymph node nearby lit up. So I'm like, OK, I'm dead, you know, but he was like, this is not necessarily cancer. He's like, cancer is one of the things it could be. But there's a lot of other things it could be.

But we're going to do a bronchoscopy. So two weeks ago, two days before I was on the show, I had the bronchoscopy. And the reason I was in a good two days before i was on the show i had the bronchoscopy and the reason i was in a good enough before you were on the show last yeah the two days two days before the blake episode the blake two days before okay but i got i just gotten good news in the sense that they did the bronchoscopy which is a big deal they not i full anesthesia wow um intubated oh wow needle down the throat with a camera to take it they took a biopsy of the of the lymph node and the and the nodule and then but then when i was in recovery the doctor said like right after i woke up the doctor comes in and gives you talks to you which

is insane by itself because i'm like i don't know what he said. He's a bit intubated too, right? Yeah. So he's like, he said, your lungs look fine. He's like, they look good. Because I told him I used to smoke a lot. He's like, they look really fine. He said, and what I saw did not look like, did not look like cancer to me. And then everyone said, oh, if that's, if they said that, that means that it's probably not

because they would not say that. They're like, doctors don't say. So I felt much better. And that's probably not because they would not say that. They're like, don't say. So I felt much better. And that's why I was able to do the show. And then and then and then on Monday, they called me last last Monday. So like whatever it was. What day is today? I don't even know.

It was the 15th or whatever. What day is today? It was tax day last Monday. Yeah. So like that day, I got a call and they said, you don't have cancer. Oh, hey. Thank you. Fuck, dude. That's heavy, man. And they said, you don't have cancer. Oh, hey. Fuck, dude.

That's fucking heavy, man. And they said, I didn't need anything. They said, what you have is histoplasmosis, which then I Googled that. So first I've been Googling pulmonary nodule over and over and watching YouTube videos about pulmonary nodules, which turns out there's tons of them. Yeah, of course. And you're going to find them and watch all of them. And I'm sure that didn't help. Oh, yeah.

That's all I watched. I went from abandoned mines to pulmonary nodules in a flash. And then I went to histoplasmosis, which is something from the environment, like an allergen that turns into a little infection. And they said, you don't need to do anything. But then I got... So I went from thinking I had cancer to nothing. Like, you don't need to do anything you're fine and then i just like went kind of felt kind of insane yeah oh man anyway

so i'm all i'm all better and and just to say like if you do get if you're over 50 and uh god forbid and you uh and i wouldn't wish it on my worst yes i. I mean, you know, and I'm a hair over 50. I mean, you know, 55. But, you know, that's a hair. That's a little rounding down a couple of hairs. Yeah. It's not that far. And then you should probably get a cat, an X-ray or a cat scan.

You're supposed to get a cat scan every year. No one knows that shit. No one will do it. But if you used to smoke the thing is this is the way they find lung cancer so i would have been lucky right because lungs don't have nerve endings in them i did not know that so when you get lung cancer the reason they find straight it's usually stage four is because that's when you actually feel affecting other thing you can't breathe whatever that stuff but a lot most lung cancer they catch early is through these other

events like breaking your shoulder so you know no one's just just in general like if you're over 50 and you used to smoke a lot you might want to get an occasional cat scan which of course you know if you have an extra couple thousand bucks yeah yeah i just have i actually have a built-in one so i'll just start doing doing them more often yeah Yeah, we need to do home cats, kids. These things do not look complicated. My brother said, you look at those machines, he's like, you know they're paid for.

Have you seen, I just saw a video recently of one that was outside of its shielding firing up. And you're like, oh my God. It's like a transformer transforming in a Michael Bay film. And once that shit really starts rotating, you're like, holy shit dude this thing looks like it has like the power to move oh so it's worth the money i mean yeah depending yeah i mean you're making money on this thing i looked at it when i was in there and you know of course when you're in there they're like we're just gonna do one more cat scan and you're like oh but uh you know like are you sure like how much

you know how much does it cost they should have a thing like on a gas you know like are you sure like how much you know how much does it cost they should have a thing like on a gas you know on a gas thing where you can see the money the money going up right yeah every rotation you're not giving me another cat scan i don't care what i got yeah there was a when i went to the kentucky derby one time there was a house just like a private house that had an atm machine in its yard by like right by the thing and i've always that changed the way i like thought i was like what if like you could just like open a private shop like or a private like atm whatever you wanted like what if you could just have a cat scan at your house that like people were like oh yeah go buy this dude's house and get your lungs checked out?

Yeah. It's like, he's not a tech, so he can't make sense of it, but he will send it to a doctor. Right. Or he'll send it to you. Yeah. In a portal. And you can look at it. Holy shit.

It's in his backyard. Look at this thing fucking go. This is a CAT scan machine firing up, like uncovered. Oh, my God. Yeah. Holy shit. And it's like barely getting fired up now. What does it look like, Jack?

It looks like the Large Hadron Collider. Like what I imagine the Large Hadron Collider looks like. It looks like the inside is completely full of clock radios. Yeah. It looks like a window AC completely full of clock radios yeah and like it looks like a window a window ac unit or something yeah yeah they put a bunch of decommissioned clock radios in a fucking donut yeah translucent corded telephones that they gave it doesn't look it doesn't yes it does not it doesn't look that complicated but we're surrounded by technological miracles and we're

just like could you make it quieter it's too loud it's kind of annoying to me jack o'brien smog tests cat scans atm legal and legal services and keys and legal services yeah i mean that there is that one service the uh the people who like witness you sign a document notary public like yeah that one is just like a dude who walks around with some papers and like pulls up to your house you know so like i feel like yeah that's a i feel like we should have more of that stuff yeah that's a great bullshit job fucking notaries yeah they make good money though shit yeah fuck those guys let's uh let's take a quick break notarizing shit i wonder how how often they're just asked repeatedly oh you think you're better than me because now i sign this in front of you it means something or they get drunk at parties

and like people are like can you notarize this and they're like i'm not really supposed to the notary's like i mean to, to be fair, without my stamp, this isn't going to be an authenticated legal document. I go, oh, so you're a tough guy, huh? We got him real drunk. Oh, wow. How about to choke you out? Choked out the notary.

What is something you think is underrated? I'm going to say Space Ghost, Coast to Coast. Oh, yeah. I don't know if you guys are familiar. It sounds like mine. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't know if you guys are familiar. It sounds like mine. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, yeah. I was watching Cartoon Network.

Yeah. It's celebrating its 30th birthday at the moment. And this is the show that launched Adult Swim. This is the thing. Yeah. So I've loved Space Ghost. I stumbled on it when I was probably about 14 years old, coming home from a party, kind of drunk, Like I stumbled on it when I was probably about 14 years old. Right.

Coming home from a party, kind of drunk and just turned on Cartoon Network at like one in the morning. Damn, you were 14 coming home from a party drunk and decided. That sounds like some 28 year old behavior. We build them different in New Zealand. I know. God damn. We start early. Kiwis, okay.

I'm not proud of that, but I'm also not going to lie to you guys. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Yeah. Just got off my shift in the coal mine. Yeah, just working with mines. So I'm punching through a pack of Lucky Strike and I flick on the TV and there's this crazy cartoon. And it's like, if you haven't seen it before, it's a chat show hosted by this 1960s cartoon hero, which is really quite badly drawn. But they punch in the guest and the guest is filmed on camera.

So the guest isn't animated. And they had really famous guests. So they're doing a big replay live stream at the moment, which is probably still going on YouTube to celebrate the 30th year. Like Conan's on it. Tom York's in an episode oh wow york and this is like real heavy hitters and the show is yeah it's just like built for stoners yeah like the writing is is crazy and it was the first kind of thing i saw as a teenager where I was like oh man this is this is my shit like I didn't know that I was supposed to smoke weed until I saw Space Ghost Coast to Coast you know what I mean it sort of like went that way around it was like oh this comedy is so great that I should start smoking marijuana which I didn't until much later I will say don't touch that

stuff if you're if you're under like 20 i gotta say that right thank you thank you drink when you're 14 but um not the way yes of course and then also i feel like i feel like the first appearance of like aqua teen hunger force was also on space ghost too that's right there was a lot of shit yeah a lot of shit comes from the tree of space ghost yeah for me and then i like then i was like i was all in on aqua team too i felt like this shit is fucking yeah i just love that absurd that master shake was a totally different character in that in that version when in the christmas episode he's like some kind of whiny white dude in there right and i'm glad that they kind of like changed the dynamic but yeah it was the same oh wait is that right? No, sorry, Frylock.

Frylock's different? Frylock's different. Frylock had legs, I feel like, visually. Much like with the Supreme Court, I'm actually an originalist, so I think that no character should ever change. I actually prefer the first episode of The Simpsons. I think the animation was better back then.

I prefer the Tracy Ullman show Depictions of the Simpsons When they looked like their faces were melting Yeah and Homer was Like this come on Boy come on boy we're Hungry like what the fuck I remember being so alarmed when I saw the Tracy Ullman

Version of like those characters And like what the fuck was going on here Hey is the Simpsons back? I've been hearing online that like the Simpsons is back. You guys watching again? Yeah. I, I haven't been watching.

No, I, I've, I'm, I'm an, I'm also an originalist. I'm an original, a first aid season.

Yeah. Uh, but I know, but I, I have heard that repeatedly. Actually, people are like, no,

like it's, it's funny again. That's great. I mean, probably in a way that repeatedly, actually. People are like, no, like, it's funny again. That's great. I mean, probably in a way that's, like, not disappointing. But I think I've moved on from, like, my deep love of The Simpsons in that sense. I'm like, I got to come back to Springfield, baby. Yeah, maybe. Everyone for a while just fall in a hole.

I had a segment in it. I did a comedy show in the New Zealand Comedy Festival, like, four years ago, which actually was just me ripping off Space Ghost. I did like a chat show, like a comedy chat show thing. It was called Space Couch in honor of Space Ghost. Sounds like interesting. Lately informed by Space Ghost. I wrote this whole thing where,

so the couch that the guest would sit on was brought into space by the Russians and then got blasted by cosmic radiation and became sentient. And I got Paul F. Tompkins to voice the couch. Oh, shit. So during the show, we got to talk back and forth to the couch, and then we'd get a guest on.

I had a musician friend of mine, Disaster Radio, a.k.a. Eyeliner. If you're into Vaporwave, he's like the OG. He was my band leader on it and uh we had a segment called let the simpsons die so he and i made up this like video package that was just a bunch of famous comedians in new zealand going hey i grew up with the simpsons i love the simpsons simpsons means everything to me you got to pull the plug on that fucking show, man. For the good of everyone, for the good of the show, you got to say die. It's gone, baby. It's gone.

Just really seriously addressing the camera. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Like, you know, sad piano music, minor chords. Oh, hell yeah. That's amazing. And you would have pulled the plug too soon because apparently it's back.

Apparently it's back, baby. What is something you think is overrated? I think the TikTok ban, or I don't know if it's fair to call it a ban at this point, because we don't really know if they're going to sell, if ByteDance is going to sell it or not, if it will continue to exist in the United States. But to me, that's very overrated. I'm seeing various proponents of this ban be like, well, you know, that's very overrated. Like I'm seeing, you know, various proponents of this ban, you know, be like, well, like social media is bad. And, you know, there are data privacy concerns, which is true with all social media.

Yeah. But like banning this app specifically, you know, to me, it seems to be about two things one which is you know like oh china that's so scary you know just this kind of like really stupid xenophobia yeah but did you know that they like beat people up for speaking out against their government's policies yeah oh yeah wait uh oh no no shit that's okay but yeah go on yeah there's a china do you know that they do surveillance in china that they're just the government looking at your yeah looking at your private messages it's out of control yeah yeah and i feel like everybody who ends up trying to like justify the tiktok ban

like they're just showing their ass in every single way like to your point it's like if it's about privacy then what about the fucking american companies yeah you know what i mean yeah i mean to me this just seems like it's like a you know either there's like some some corporate interests that are you know hoping to to buy it like for american it's to protect it's to protect american technological hegemony. You know what I mean? It's like, this app is kicking our app's asses? Or our country's app's asses?

Oh, fuck. That's one version. And then there's this very casual way of trying to explain away why younger people are more engaged and outraged by what is happening in the country. I've been like, it's fucking TikTok. It's not the fucking policies that we enact that create the hellscape in which they live that's radicalizing them it's this fucking thing that tells you to add more sugar to your water yeah yeah yeah and you know and i think that's a lot of it too is like you know there's just they don't have you know control over whatever like you know sense like all the social media apps

do censorship to to some degree like you know like on tiktok there is censorship like you can't say sex so people that's why they say segs which is extremely annoying it's really annoying when like gen z college students will like type like segs on twitter or something it's like we don't we don't do that here here we say here in america like grown-ups no we call it fucking all right come on now yeah but you know there's like there's a there's different censorship right like china and like well it's not there's just like i think it's isn't it the ceo is like he is in singapore right yeah but either way tiktok is not their like censorship is not based on like u.s foreign policy interests right so they're not gonna like censor stuff just because

it looks bad for the United States. Like whereas like, you know, New York Times, we see, you know, has like, you know, specific policies to, you know, censor the language of their journalists and reporters to not, you know, to not go against the State Department line. Yeah. Yeah. It was a blast. It was not an. Yeah. It was a blast. It was not an Israeli bomb. It was a blast. The protests turned violent when the police started becoming violent, which is a shame we always see. So X, we're going to get that out of there. Yeah.

Just the protests turned violent. Yeah. Turned violent. Yeah. I mean, it's really good. I think it's just like they don't like when I think about like the Iraq war a lot. And that was, you know, I think like really my political awakening, like I knew and everyone I knew knew that this like weapons of mass destruction thing was a lie i felt like it was pretty obvious you know but we you know had the the media just repeating this wtmt lie again and again and now it's not like they can't really lie to us in the same way a lot of the time because we can see videos ourselves of what's happening yeah so it's more like uh instead of lying it's more like just gaslighting. They're like, no, that's not what you saw.

Don't believe your eyes, you know? Yeah. And if you disagree, like, we're going to hit you. Yeah. And the reason you disagree is actually just China has infiltrated your brain. I don't even have TikTok. I just saw a news clip. That's TikTok.

No, but people who have TikTok told you that, actually. I'm 78 years old. Al Jazeera has TikTok. No, but people who have TikTok told you that, actually. I'm 78 years old. Al Jazeera has TikTok. Yeah. That's why it's really interesting. We talk all the time about how the sort of propaganda playbook that the government tries to run, it's diminishing returns at this point. They're trying to be like, that's actually not what's going on. Everyone's like, you think we're fucking dumb or something?

Yeah. This ain't the 90s bro yeah you were like really recently no right could you like give us a break here we are used to yeah you guys being dumb dude yeah i'm not used to no 17 year old fucking pushing back like that what the fuck was that fucking kid fucking flamed me what the fuck fuck? I mean, there's, you know, there's like, I mean, you know, there's these like State Department and White House press conferences where they come out and they repeat these, you know, things that are obviously lies. You know, like, for example, like one thing, you know, was that Israel is not blocking aid to Gaza. Right. And, you know, like we can see videos of like the aid trucks not being let in. We can see individuals saying like, hey, I've gone here to block this aid.

We can see every, you know, U.N. or other humanitarian staff person saying like, hey, we're trying to get this aid in. They're not letting the truck in. And then they go out and they like the State Department spokesperson will go out and repeat like, oh, there's there's no evidence that they're blocking the aid. And it's like, they know we know. They know we know. So it's just gaslighting. It's not even lying anymore. Yeah.

And yeah. And then you deal with shit boiling over like it is now because you can only tell somebody they're not seeing what they're seeing for so long and hope that it just goes away. Anyway, Biden, you're doing a great job courting the youth vote, just cracking skulls on campuses, arresting professors. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got this. Remember Biden's campaign ad the

charlottesville one it was like about like restoring the soul of our nation or something like that you know and it's like how's that going man you know yeah i mean i think it's the same soul it's which is you know as as american capitalism and neoliberalism will do just it just we lurch more further and further towards authoritarianism it's reminding me of like this morning i kept being reminded of that time in the 20 i think it was 2015 maybe 2016 republican primary where they were like oh yeah no it would be great if trump won are you kidding me we're gonna fucking demolish this guy it's gonna be right so easy but like there was probably some level of like and if he wins like we can get like we become left even by being yeah what is currently

the gop party you know like we can get away with so much we like take up we get so much more ground now by like the if he keeps going further and further to the right so like this morning like as he's in front of the supreme court you know his lawyers are arguing that he can do purge and you know meanwhile the democratic fucking administration is just out here pulling a nixon administration like on on protesters it's like yeah i mean that's what having this uber right wing like dictatorial regime dangling over everyone's head like buys them and like i do wonder if that was like part of the calculus from the start i think that you know it's like they're the republicans are just

going to keep getting like more and more fascist and the democrats can just you know keep getting more and more fascist as well because like you know this like uh this rhetoric that like the other the other guy the republicans will be worse like that can be it can be literally used to justify anything like there's there's no limit to what it can be used to justify and i think we've seen that with like the gaza situation is like you know the you'll you'll see people like be like you know oh well like trump would do 10 genocides and it's like what yeah yeah yeah and in this one i'm like shut the fuck up and let biden ignore this one oh yeah yeah fund this one that's what's so wild too because like i as i you know that we keep hearing about, you know, what the what the Republican will Republicans will bring if Trump is president.

But as you look at it, I'm like, I'm you're you're you're brutalizing peaceful protesters, just like they were doing in 2020 and years past every single time. And I'm like, is the only difference going to be it's like, well, Biden will just allow students to be tasered and maced. And Trump would probably allow like full blown guns, like maybe a week in. going to be it's like well biden will just allow students to be tasered and maced and trump would probably allow like full-blown guns like maybe a week in or something like that yeah but are we still dealing with the fact that we are not allowing peaceful non-violent protests to happen because that's the crux of it yeah and yeah i'm like you got it i'm doing a really bad job differentiating here really bad job andating here. Really bad job.

And that's on you. Actually, that's on you and your brain. Doing a bad job of differentiating. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so you want Trump? No, I don't. I don't want Trump.

No, I never said that. Well, it sounds like you want Trump. No, I'm saying we need to be holding shit to a higher standard. That's what I'm saying. And people are fucking up bad. That's what I'm saying. You said you want to be holding shit to a higher standard. That's what I'm saying. And people are fucking up bad. That's what I'm saying. You said you want to be holding shit. So that's weird.

Dude, this guy's a fuck. Did you hear this, dude? He said he wants to hold shit. This guy wants to hold shit, man. No. Anyways. You done me. The media done me.

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It's, it's, it's, and I think that communicates plenty. But I guess, so I always found it amazing, mind-blowing, that in the earliest 20th century something called the business plot where a bunch of industrialists and business people tried to recruit a U.S. general to overthrow FDR's government and just be like, no, we fuck with fascism and like we want better conditions for businesses and it was unsuccessful but it was so brazen so out in the open and just so like counter to whatever like what america is supposed to stand for that it just seemed like wild to me when i learned about that like 10, 15 years ago. And now I feel like the Federalist Society just was that and they just stuck with it and have basically succeeded in doing what those people, like what the uber wealthy were trying to do in the early 20th century. Even early funders of the Federalist Society were like the melon, like billionaires, like that gilded, like literally gilded age money monsters who were probably involved in the business plot, got the Federalist

Society off the ground. And now we live in basically like what the business plot would have liked America to look like, it feels like. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So the Federalist Society, I think people like listening to this, like you might be familiar with like the term, they know that the Federalist Society is an organization, especially when Trump was president and was making his nominations to the Supreme Court. It like came out that Trump was saying explicitly, yeah, the Federalist Society is providing me with these names. Right. I got the I got the shortlist for Amy Coney Barrett. Right. For Amy Coney Barrett and Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh. Those came to me from the Federalist

Society. So I think people like have a sense of like, well, who the fuck are these guys? Right. Just list makers like BuzzFeed, you know. Yeah. Yeah. They do listicles. That's right. Number three will make your heart flutter. But what we talk about on five four is how the Federalist Society is really kind of like the judicial wing of the Republican Party. Now, the Federalist Society as an organization, it builds itself, kind of presents the judicial wing of the Republican Party. Now, the Federalist Society as an organization, it builds itself, kind of presents itself. They call themselves a debate club. They say they're a network of conservative attorneys, judges, conservative legal academics, professors. Right. And they say that they're just there to like talk about ideas, debate ideas in,

you know, conservative legal spaces, that kind of thing. Bring together all kinds of conservatives so we can debate. And sometimes we bring liberals in, too, so that we see the other side and stuff like that. That's how they talk about themselves. Right. And the Federalist Society, this organization, they have student chapters at law schools all around the country and were, in fact, ostensibly kind of

started as a student organization at Yale and the University of Chicago in the early 80s. One of those grassroots student organizations funded by billionaires. That's right. Exactly. So they have all the best food at their meetups. Right, right. You peer behind the curtain one step and you see that like this is not a student organization. This is not a debate society. This is like I said, this is the judicial wing of the Republican Party. This is the legal services provider for the Republican Party and for the conservative legal mission or like goal, right, overturning Roe v. Wade, you know, the crushing of the administrative state, Federalist Society lawyers, Federalist Society professors, Federalist Society judges are all on the same page about all of this stuff and working in this network to bring those cases to the Supreme Court and effectuate those kind of like conservative legal goals. Because the Republican Party has realized over the past 50 years, the Republican Party has realized that its policy goals are minoritarian. They are not popular. They actually wouldn't win if real democratic processes were in place to vote on what they want. So they have to use the judicial branch

to reach their policy goals. Yeah. And they're doing it to an extent where, I mean, now, like everyone's just like, what is this Supreme Court now? I mean, I get that there were ideologues in the Supreme Court in years past, but I think obviously now that it's like, bro, there's no breaks on the conservative side now. We're just getting like decision after decision where I feel like every time people like is, is it legitimate? Do we, how do we contend with it? And yeah, like to your point, it's, they're basically what, once some freaky billionaires like, how do I get this done? And like, oh yeah, we'll, we'll figure out a way, even if we have to make up a victim to bring to the court. And they won't even really, you know, really pry into that.

I mean, the last few cases were like, this person isn't even a web designer. And they're trying to act as if like she's suffering damages or something by this law. And you're like, fucking how? And you get that there's a whole machine. There's an apparatus, a machine's a whole machine there's this is an apparatus a machine a whole thing uh pushing this off yeah that's the case 303 creative really really good example of how like the federalist society the conservative legal movement and now six fucking maniacs on the supreme court are are are dealing with their issues that they you know it's like we call it

results oriented like they know the result that they want out of a case and they'll get there no matter what. Yeah. Fuck the legal analysis. Just comporting their brains. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. I thought they, I thought they called balls strikes. That's what, wait, what? Yeah. They call balls strikes. Oh yeah. That's right. They see balls, they call it a strike.

Yeah. That's a strike. What? The only aspect of the story that made me hopeful was, like, how successful they've been. Like, the history of the Federalist Society shows how quickly things can change. Now, granted, like, things have changed for the worse, like, in a huge way. for the worse, like in huge way, like just compared to the 70s when this takeover kind of first started, like guns were not mentioned in the Republican Party's like platform until like 76. Prior to that, everyone was kind of like, yeah, no, the Second Amendment is about militias like it like it says in in the constitution which we're supposed

to be like into i guess as a party and like there's a quote from a conservative justice who calls like the second amendment thing that we're all familiar with and like i came up assuming was like a permanent part of the republican Party. There's like a conservative justice who's like calls it the greatest fraud they've ever heard. Like if they can, so I don't know. Yeah, it just, if they can shift things that far, that quickly, like maybe we can shift them back to where they were like in the seventies, like in some of these cases

where it's just gotten so much worse because of them. But I don't know that that was like the thing that I found. One of the most startling things I found about it was just how much they have changed and how quickly it's happened. Yeah. Like it shows the power, the Federalist Society's success, the success of the conservative legal movement more broadly, like it shows the power of like building a movement like organizing like yeah taking taking courts seriously right like it's not it wasn't like magic that did it it was that like people coalesced around their common interest in

opposing the new deal the civil rights movement the women's rights movement, and movements to expand democracy, we can say, right? They didn't like that. And so they started to organize against it. They made connections with politicians, all of that stuff. And over, like I said, over the past 50 years, like they are now, you know, kind of living in the world that they built, like living with their successes. And unfortunately, they're still full steam ahead because they're an incredibly powerful movement now. But I think you're exactly right, Jack. Like people will, especially law students will ask us when we like go to law schools and talk about this stuff. Law students will ask us, like, they're like hopeless. They're like despondent right they're

like what like this world is unacceptable how on earth do you like fight back against the federalist society and i think that's because like a lot of young people like you just you you have come up into your adulthood in like a trump presidency like everything awful like institutions just completely illegitimate on their face corrupt. And you're just like, how do you fix this? Right. But taking a step back, it's exactly like you said, Jack, like, politics can actually move quite quickly. And it just means that like, movements need to be built. We also can organize ourselves against what they're doing. Right. And there are lots of different methods that actually like it's not about like building a response twin organization of the Federalist Society to oppose the Federalist Society. Right. It's about like recognizing like, you know, if you're interested in social justice, if you're a movement lawyer, all of these people like we have power that is very different from a billionaire funded my case to go to the Supreme Court. Right. And we should be using it. Right. And those things can happen

very quickly in politics. Historically, they've happened very quickly. So this is not like, you know, the end is not written like the Federalist Society as it is today is not the world that we live in forever now. Like we can do something about it. Yeah. Like things have been flowing right now. I think if you're younger it. Yeah, like things ebb and flow. And right now, I think if you're younger, then you've been caught up, like you've only known peak federalist society power. Exactly.

I don't, how the fuck does this change? But like anything, yeah, things, opinions change and movements begin to form. And yeah, I think this is, I mean, I think because of the depravity of the Supreme Court, it's doing the thing of of naturally beginning to radicalize people or at least bring people into a level of consciousness about, okay, so wait, what? How? Okay, and they are able to get there. Why? Because corporations are now treated as people and can also spend unlimited sums of money that is actually affecting the legislative process. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And I think, yeah, to that end, I feel like we're just, I mean, we talk about this all the time when we look at younger people. I'm like, when I was in college, I was like, I was engaged, but not to the degree that I even see people that are in high school are now because the stakes are just

completely different for them. So there is like this double-edged sword thing here where with the fuckery comes increased knowledge. But yeah, it's it's it's definitely a difficult time to be existing. It's like not about like building the most powerful liberal legal organization to counter the Federalist Society. It's actually about saying like the Federalist Society has too much fucking power in our politics and in our law making and in, you know, in the judiciary. The Supreme Court has too much fucking power. So, you know, things like structural reforms, movement building that shift power to the people who should have it. Workers, consumers, the people, right? Democratic structures of government. That's where that's where our focus should be. Yeah, I was thinking about that, too. Right. Like, you know, I guess I was we'll talk about like what we could do later on.

But it's come up pretty naturally now is like, you know people look at it and go what can we do like if like like all these people are screaming and shouting that they don't want x y or z but they just don't care and i get that like you know one version is to build up the people power to do something like that and then the other version too is like if we want things like term limits or like if we want to pack the courts, we need legislators to do that. And that means like we have to count on them because based on what I've seen, our legislators move at a pace that could be described as heroin snail. And so that does make me a little bit weird. But how do you look at that? Because I think that is one of the ways to like we do need legislation that actually arises like that intersects with the justices out of place that they know. Oh, OK.

These are new rules now. Yeah. But how like how do you sort of look at that and what what do you see as being like more effective versus the other? Or if we should just be like, no, no, no. Like if we're patient, maybe this will work. Yeah, no, no, it's not about patience. It's about like, like doing some real shit, right? And doing some real shit kind of like across the board across all of we should be using all of the tools that we have for this. So when, like I said, we should be decreasing the power of the Supreme Court. How do you do that? There are lots of ways. Some of the things that you've just described are really good ways that we should be pursuing. So

packing the court, making the court bigger, making the number of justices bigger on the Supreme Court decreases the power that each individual justice has, right? It spreads power over a bigger body, meaning Sam Alito, the fuckface Brett Kavanaugh, the psycho Clarence Thomas don't have that like that the the power that's currently consolidated in them right now. Packing the court is a really, really is a really great way to decrease that power. And that's kind of like what you're talking about with this kind of like short term, long term thing, right. We should be using like the short term avenues that are available to us in building a long term where the Supreme Court, the Federalist Society, corporations have less power over all of us. Right. Term limits. That's a really good idea.

I think there are tons of ideas for structural reform of the Supreme Court. We should be like talking about all of them. That's when it comes to the politicians. Right. It's a reform of the Supreme Court. And we should be like talking about all of them. That's when it comes to the politicians, right? It's a failure of the Democratic Party that the Republicans, the Federalist Society, the conservative legal movement has taken the court so seriously for decades now. And they've won what they've won. And they are like rolling around

in the pigsty shit that they've created. And they love it. They're partying right and democrats still are not taking the supreme court seriously still not saying hey we need to reform this hey we need to we need to be doing our politics around this too right what like what's the fear of the democrats to legislate the courts like what you know because i get part of it too is like at the same time both parties still serve corporate interests to a certain extent so like obviously they're like hey you know like maybe go

that maybe there's just the will of the donors aren't there or what or it's just historically that there's just this like aversion to it but that's the one thing i always see is like things happen and then you'll see people like chuck schumer or nancy posey like you know what we got to do something about the supreme court just not now now. And I don't know when, but I'm going to say that out loud because that's what we do as a party. I mean, I think the thing I always hear them say is that if they packed, if Democrats pack the court when they're in office, won't the Republicans just pack the court back at them? And if so, like, who does that benefit overall, I guess? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I have two thoughts about this. One is like the historical thing. In history, pressure on the Supreme Court by the other branches of government works. So most famously, probably the most famous example is FDR in the 1930s, early 1940s, and with Congress is passing

all of this New Deal legislation, right? Getting people jobs as a communist, getting people jobs, getting people to work, outlawing child labor, you know, more rights for workers, supporting unions, all of that kind of stuff. And the Supreme Court at that time was conservative and was striking down all of that legislation left and right. What did FDR do? FDR threatened? FDR threatened to pack the court. He was like, I'm about to add justices if you guys don't get in line. And what did the Supreme Court do? They got in line. They started they stopped striking down

that legislation so that New Deal legislation could actually go into effect. So there are historical analogs here like we could be looking at that for historical analogs for Democrats actually using the fucking political power that they have. Right. And so there's that. And then the other thing that I was going to say to your point, Jack, about like this counter argument that Democrats will be like, well, Republicans will pack the court if we pack the court and then it will be all Republicans. The thing that is like the thing that people don't stop and realize is that Republicans have packed the court. We live in a reality that is a Republican packed Supreme Court and federal judiciary. When Trump was in office,

he nominated 25 percent of the current federal bench. All federal district court judges were nominated by Donald Trump. That's because that Republican president took the judiciary seriously and was like, oh, we have all these spots to fill. Let's go. Right. So we live in the world that is already a Republican-packed court, a Republican-packed judiciary. And so Democrats should be taking that seriously as sort of a method, again, one of the tools that they have. And because the result would be that when Republicans pack the courts, the results are power is consolidated in the wealthy, in corporations, etc. in the wealthy, in corporations, etc. If Democrats would pack the courts, the results would be people have more power, workers have more power, women have more power, minorities have more power. That's very hard to take away once it's given, right? So the threat, I don't know, a generation, two generations from now that then Republicans would come back and pack the court. And if Democrats packed the court first, that is so

remote. Like, let's actually do something with the power that we have to give power to more people. And that is doing politics. That is doing good governance. And yeah, I'm not worried about Republicans packing the court in 50 years. I'm worried about the Republican packed court right now. Right. Yeah, because it's there. It's like, it's more the Democrats are unpacking than packing, really. Right, right, exactly. So don't worry about it.

They're just letting it being packed, really. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. The last thing that I just wanted to cover on the Federalist Society is, there's been this narrative of, well, the conservatives, now that they overturned Roe, are kind of like the dog that caught the car.

And it's kind of this hopeful thing of like, yeah, but that was all they cared about. Right. And now they accomplished that. It's unpopular. They're kind of fucked. What are they going to do? And I think you specifically framed it as like the Federalist Society is a service provider to the Republican Party. Like they will move in accordance with whatever the Republican Party wants. Like the gun thing didn't start with the Federalist Society.

It started with like Reagan and, you know, the Republican Party kind of adopting the NRA. Reagan and, you know, the Republican Party kind of adopting the NRA and then the Federalist Society was like, all right, well, we are the judicial wing, as you said, of the Republican Party. So we're just going to get in line. So they are going to be, you know, as Trump, you know, continues to wield power or, you know, let's say he wins the next election, they are going to be a fascism machine. Like, it's not going to be a thing where they're like, all right, well, this is a bridge too far. I think like January 6th, the fact that they wouldn't like ratify a separate set of electors, like the Supreme Court, I think made, misled me to be like, so the Supreme Court, like, I think made misled me to be like, so the Supreme court like ultimately is not going to just go along with Trump's bullshit. But like a lot of people in the federalist society who like put

those justices on the Supreme court were like guns blazing, like January 6th, like election overturning, like conspiracy theorists. Like that one of the founders was like, guys, this is too much. Like Trump shouldn't be allowed to run for president. And they were like, you can't call yourself the founder anymore. They took away his title. Yeah, they took away his title. And he was like, I'm sorry, I like Donald Trump again. January 6th was tight. But it's just like, I do think the near future is just as dangerous. And, you know, there are a lot of really dark possibilities with the Federalist Society, just as much as like the recent past. Yeah, yeah. You know, we said that the Federalist Society, you know, provided the list for Trump for who he was nominating to the Supreme Court. Those justices, in fact, the six

conservative justices on the Supreme Court right now are currently members of the Federalist Society or have been at points in their past. Just want to make it clear, like this is this is a network that is like this is a network that's promoting from within its own ranks. These are their own people. Right. And there's not a separation. There is not a separation. There is not a separation between the Federalist a separation. There is not a separation between the Federalist Society and the people on the Supreme Court. Yeah, I think January 6th is like a really interesting, like, moment in history, I guess you could say, for the Federalist Society, because I think that if we're kind of calling the Federalist Society like a party, a political party. It's not officially,

but if we think about it like that, they learned lessons from January 6th, right? And I think a really big lesson they learned was that they can, as they were in January 6th, leading up to January 6th and afterwards in all of the litigation, whether it was Trump's fraud claims about votes, whether it was about, you know, states certifying their electors, all of it. Federalist society lawyers had their hands on all of that. We're directing all of that. There are Federalist society lawyers who were actually took part in planning the January 6th stuff like specifically. took part in planning the January 6th stuff like specifically. But I think the lesson learned was that the public at large probably was left with a bit of distaste about the actual coup part.

Yeah. Right. The actual invasion of the Capitol part. Right. Whereas the Federalist Society could have, and I think now has like learned the lesson that it can still be behind the scenes doing all of the legal machinations, all of the legal stuff, the legal work that needs to be done to effectuate the result that they want, which is Trump winning the presidency next time, right? And so, yeah, I think they've learned that lesson and they know that the messy coup literal riot part was maybe something that kind of made it overall unsuccessful.

But they know that they have allies on the court up and down the federal judiciary. The lawyers have been working on this stuff for years, meaning like what kind of cases to bring. They're ready for the litigation. And yeah, the Federalist Society has always been really good at this exactly, the behind the scenes work where they're not saying like the Federalist Society is bringing this case. The Federalist Society isn't suing anybody. It's people in this network, right? Yeah. They don't give up. They try and try. And, you know, they were trying to overturn Roe for decades. And then they just kept trying different things until they found a strategy, packing the court with Federalist Society people that actually worked. Exactly. So, yeah, this isn't going to stop until an alternate force is put to work that stops it and counterbalances it.

Yeah. And, you know, like a lot of legal analysts or journalists, media at the time that Dobbs came down, which overturned Roe v. Wade, a lot of commentators were like, oh, well, what's the Republican Party going to do now like they they won they got their like big they achieved their big project of overturning roe and now it seems like they're going to be like kind of disorganized and they don't really know what they're working on now false false false false right yeah so false right they achieved their big project and then our side was like checkmate assholes like wait what wait you just took us to fucking y'all going after IVF embryos too now? Right. Exactly. That was the amuse-bouche, homie. Right. So it's like, again, if we're thinking of them as kind of like a political party, like now it's more like a normal political party where there's different bowls of interest, less focused on the one single issue that they did coalesce around over, you know, since Roe v. Wade, since the early 70s.

But they have tons of energy, tons of political will. And again, what they're working on is even more fascist stuff coming down the pipeline. And it's all centered, not just their opposition to Roe v. Wade and abortion rights. It's all centered on their opposition to the New Deal, to the civil rights movement, to the women's rights movement and to expanding democracy. So the wildest, most fascist shit you can think of legally, they're working on it right now. It's absolutely coming down the pipeline, whether that's like rolling back protections for women and queer people, whether that is saying you don't have a right to contraception, whether, you know, we're talking about like prisoners rights, the rights of criminal defendants, all kinds politics of people that are down ballot of Trump who are

like, oh, I don't know what to do now. It's like, yeah, sure. In that narrow sense. Yes, exactly. It's difficult now to campaign. But in terms of like a movement like we're already seeing, it's like they want to basically they really want to go back to the 19th century. Yeah. At best, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the Federalist Society being that service provider. So you best believe they are hooking up with Republican and conservative politicians and being like, here's what you can campaign on. We're working on this. This is what donors care about right now. Right. the podcast you're wrong about talks about how the right wing takeover of media and of politics over the past like 50 years has been very similar to like the panics that the right wing was having about like communism like the red scare and like satanism and so like it's been this you know smaller like minority group that has

imposed its ideals through yeah just like behind the scenes infiltration and all the shit that they were worried about like i feel like their concerns around the satanic panic and like the red scare were just like them telling on themselves or giving themselves ideas about like how how to do this shit yeah yeah the republicans conservatives in general especially social conservatives they'll they're they're really good at making the issues they care about into culture war bullshit right like really firing up a base yeah really like yeah firing up this moral panic about stuff and then when you like take a step back you're like hey people voting like you're talking about mail-in ballots like what what you know so yeah yeah yeah that's uh as tried and true tale as old as time for sure

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We're back. Hashtag stand on a stool. Stand on a stool. I don't care. Hasht back stand on a stool stand on a stool i don't care hashtag stand on a stool stand on a stool all right hashtag neil young neil young so just a quick roundup of some trump news yeah so we don't get too bogged down here and because we don't have a ton of time we'll just we'll just rip through this shit all right where do we start uh he's spent over 76 million dollars in legal fees and the main account that he's been using to fund all this is down to only a couple million uh so people are like oh he's gonna have to start using the rnc's money but i don't like i feel like so many of these headlines are written in a way to be like they're coming home to roost soon it's like he's

always gonna find fucking millions of dollars in the couch cushions shit they're coming home to roost soon. It's like he's always going to find fucking millions of dollars in the couch cushions. Shit has been coming home to roost for fucking eight years. I know. I know. This is the one that's going to get him, Chris. So fucking nice. Chris and Maggie Haberman. Your father went out for cigarettes.

Then Maggie Haberman tunes out. Well, I think he's pretty upset. I don't know. I know him pretty well. Yes, he's upset. He's really upset this time. I'm Jack Corrupted. He seems so mad at me.

That's a new story. He seems so mad at me. You should have seen the look. He was being such a bitch to me. His self-hater was just dripping off of his chin. Someone should make a fucking TV show about the Maggie Haberman Trump romance. Oh, wow. That would be a great fucking show. AI could be done pretty quickly.

If I knew how to make a show, I was about to say if I knew how to make a show, but then you just figured it out for me. Yeah, yeah. Just put it in a co-pilot and be like, yeah, give me a three-act structured romance rom-com script. This is what I'm going to put in. Haberman Trump love

murder. Okay. And I'm going to let it Haberman Trump love murder. Okay. And I'm going to let AI do it. And hang gliding. There you go. Hang gliding is what was going to be my next suggestion. Yeah. And like, whatever.

It doesn't matter. Sky's the limit. Let AI figure it out. The sky is the limit with hang gliding. And speaking of limited consequences, there's a lot of reports about how Trump's like violated his gag order like at least 10 times in the last month and like prosecutors like oh are you gonna fucking do it is the contempt of court of a fucking real thing it doesn't seem like it is so that's a big shock turns out gag orders are suggestions yeah merely like yeah like traffic signals and gag suggestions like yeah uh but then also his polling number numbers continue to trend downward with independence.

But we're still seven months out. So we'll see what's happening. There's that. But the real fun part is Jesse Waters. Recently, he had to cope hard with the fact that Trump just looks so withered in court. Like and there's all this talk that he's going to be fucking in charge of that that courtroom and he's just been like tiny little sleepy like rip van winkle in the courtroom so you know uh jesse waters with his gigantic brain was like i actually have a counterpoint as to why donald trump like fucking shouldn't be having to stay in trial and here it is and

but the guy needs exercise he's usually golfing and so you're going to put a man who's almost 80 sitting in a room like this on his butt for all that time it's not healthy you know how big of a health nut i am he needs sunlight and he needs activity he needs to be walking around he needs action it's really cruel and unusual punishment to make a man do that and anytime he moves they threaten to throw him in prison yeah cruel and unusual punishment is making being unhoused a crime that's yeah that's that's cruel if we're talking about the eighth amendment here but i get it but i guess trump is too old then is what you're saying yeah he's too old to be sitting there they're trying the like i had i had this thought when the reports first started coming in that he kept like falling asleep and farting up the courtroom that like he might be trying to project an air of incompetence, like in like the legal sense of incompetence, like incompetent to stand trial sort of thing right because that's an old mafia tactic trump is trained in the

like mafia you know art of doing battle from you know his early days and like that's that's what the mafia would always do whenever like a capo or a don would like stand trial they would frequently be like oh yeah he's lost his marbles called malingering i think it's a legal term yeah just but like that was uncle june did that in sopranos yeah junior corrado soprano wearing a bathrobe on there's a famous one i think it was vincent gigante or we used to wear the bathrobe this is mob facts shit remember we talked about mob facts new york mob footage youtube i watch most of my fucking i'm watching like New York mob footage YouTube channel. I watch most of my fucking, I'm watching footage

of fucking mobsters faking being insane on the streets of New York in the 1970s. Grainy footage, baby. Yeah. I know malingering when I see it, man.

I've seen more capos. And this is it. I've seen more capos in worn out robes shuffling down the street. I see more capos than a guitar shop. I guess you call that a capo.

That's for my music heads out there. But like, I guess it is funny because like truly to fit the standard of like incompetency to stand trial, you have to show mental, like you're mentally incompetent, too mentally incompetent to stand trial. But it's like, are they trying to thread the most elegant needle of like too incompetent to stand trial, but competent enough to be the most powerful person on earth? Yeah. Okay. Weird, weird line to try and draw where you're like, this guy just needs to be out running around like a golden retriever. Uh, he needs sunlight and like a yard that he can run around.

He need golf. Yeah. Or he'll die. Jesse Waters, man.esse waters went to trinity too by the way trinity college in hartford where i went and so did tucker carlson classmates they turn out a diverse group yeah right yeah what a fucking combo tucker carlson jesse waters crofton tucker was my classmate and i knew tucker in college wow that's true i've told you that before yeah but yeah but i never knew jesse waters you know much younger but but same you know i mean i just think colleges i don't know they should have you tell us you were tucker carlson's classmate like it must have been in passing yeah yeah i definitely told you yeah i mean i i i knew him

to say hi um he was not like super well known on campus or anything he was just seemed like an average rich kid you know like most of the kids who went to trinity were were like people who were just stopping off at college because it was the next step to whatever job their dad had sort of set up for him i ended up there because my college counselor was just like you got in the this is the best school you got into so i was like i was just 18 and drunk and I didn't know. So I was like, okay, I'll go here. And then I went there and I was like, what is this?

Why is everybody rowing boats? That's like fucking work. Do they know about boat motors? Why is the main thing you have to do before you get rich is row boats around? Well, that's kind of weird. Yeah. You ever heard of an onboard? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, that's really the weird culture of the rich people you know where you have to go to college and smoke pot and row boats and then you get to get your dad's job and then you just go you know yeah manual labor as leisure activity yeah it's just weird anyway it's a weird culture and and tucker was just another he had a signet ring i remember he just looked like a rich right yeah like all those kids had gold rings with their initials on them. I just remember that was something that I didn't have, you know?

So I noticed, you notice it was fun to be there because I got all this anger, you know, that I kept with me, you know, for the rest of my life. And that's where it fed into, you know, Fugazi and all the things I love, like ended up being like things I got sort of channeled to because I had to try and be a punk rocker at Trinity College, which is like completely insane. That's like, right, not what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to go to art school where there's other punk rockers. You're not supposed to try to be a punk rocker at Trinity College. But that's what I did. Yeah, like it makes no sense. Like, you know, what are you doing here? You know, I'm like, I'm doing my I'm taking it down from the inside. I'm taking it down from the inside. Cause I got no place else to go.

You're paying for it. You know, because my dad just gave me, anyway, it doesn't matter. But yeah, I knew Tucker in college. He was a jerk. He, I found out from other people who knew him better that he was racist. Then, um, his dad used to send him John Birch society stuff in the mail, which he would read aloud, which he would read aloud in his dorm room so i look at all these kids as abused children really i mean you look at kids but you

know tucker carlson's a kid all these people are stuck in there well whatever their parents told them you know that's one also like the story about like you hear about his mother like leaving him at a young age she was like a liberal yeah she went off to be like a hippie, so he hates hippies and stuff. What a fucking, I mean, what a moron. I mean, like, he's like, I hate hippies. Like, come on, really? Especially the one who fucked my mom. Yeah, yeah. That's embarrassing, man.

But I mean, like, can't you get over that? Like, I'm going to avenge my whole life trying to avenge my mother's honor against the hippies. Right. I mean, okay, why don't you just fucking settle down? What about that? Yeah, we were talking about just fucking settling the fuck down. Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, Jesse Waters.

I just think those institutions like Harvard that turn out like tom cotton and stuff where why are these considered our best institutions you know trinity's considered this great school and it's just this diploma mill for scumbags which is it just has cultural momentum for being like finishing schools for the elite and then from there we're like that's the that's what we're trying to aspire to that's a good one the u.s news and world report says that's a good one. The U.S. News and World Report says that's a good one. Yeah, and if you're turning out fucking people like Jesse Waters and Tucker Carlson, you know, you might want to look into

like what your culture is, but of course there's no I mean, it's not going to happen. That would actually be good, like if somebody actually released a second magazine that was like U.S. News and World Report's like college rankings, but you actually looked at the shitheads that they had churned out right like actually held them for like the worst people who

they actually yeah i mean harvard would be a fucking disaster like the some of the people that harvard's put out there that's a good behind the bastards episode yeah the worst of harvard the worst of biggest bastards biggest yeah or else you know we could do a magazine we could do a magazine jack if you want to put up the money i'll do it well u.s i mean in my experience yeah kablow i'll be in charge of the editorial stuff. You just give me the money. Yeah. In my experience, magazines are a great investment that never go. Yeah.

Yeah. They're coming back just like vinyl. Oh yeah. Well, finally coming back. No, vinyl really did. Yeah.

Magazines, not so much. All right. Uh, should we talk about the Voyager? I want to talk about the Voyager. Yeah. This is a nice small victory for us probe heads.

So the Voyager, just to our younger listeners, launched in 1977. That's not a real year. Became the first human-made object to venture into interstellar space decades later. I don't think I realized how rare it is for anything to come from or go into interstellar interstellar space like you know we have our solar system that's where basically everything that we have observed up close has come from like it's that there's there was that big deal about umuamua recently because it was one of the first interstellar if not the first interstellar objects like something that came from outside of our solar system that we actually observed i love that thing yeah that thing's really cool cool as shit it was just it was going so fast they were like wait that can't have come from

inside our solar system it's like flying from from outside what was happening take me with you still haven't given a great explanation on that. But anyway, we sent a spaceship in 1977 that has done the opposite, has left our solar system, has traveled into interstellar space. And it's not just a probe designed to relay scientific information. It also contains basically like a mixtape for aliens. It's actually a gold-plated record, and the tracks include everything from an Australian Aborigine song to Chuck Berry to a work by somebody named Johnny Bagpipes, I believe. No, I'm sorry.

To bamboo flutes to Bach, Beethoven, Chuck Berry. And it holds also a three-paragraph letter written by Jimmy Carter, who relayed our desire to join a community of galactic civilizations, which seems like kind of, I don't know, quaint. I like how the stuff, some of it's dated, you know, like a rotary phone.

Right. And a community of galactic civilizations makes more sense when you realize that they launched it three weeks after star wars came out that's funny isn't that funny he signs off president jimmy carter may the force be with you oh yeah look where's the get it where the beef t-shirt? Yeah, yeah. But so Voyager 1 launched, Voyager 2 launched soon after. Pretty massive undertaking when you realize that like the computer that is on board, that is like controlling all of this stuff, sending the information back to us,

has like far less computing power than like a modern day key fob for like a car. Like that, that is the level of computational firepower that is on this thing. And it's still out beyond the edges of our solar system, still transmitting back to us. But basically last year it stopped speaking coherently and nasa was like i don't know like it seems like it just had like a stroke of some sort because it's like it's sending back utter gibberish alternating ones and zeros instead of binary code i remember that when that first came out

the like conspiracies around it were like it's happening dude someone someone got a hold of the voyager and they're like texting us they're trying to tell but they don't know binary so they look so dumb right now they're like this album sucks that's what they're messaging back yeah but you say your theory you got a theory yeah i was actually gonna i didn't realize other people had thought that i was i was gonna say that like it's just got intercepted by aliens and they're just like trying to text us they're yeah they're like yeah what does this thing that button do yeah but anyways they figured it out it was like some corruption of the computer's memory. So they fixed it. They actually like

fixed a 40 something, 47 year old computer that is around 15 billion miles away and like decorrupted the memory. And now it is once again sending messages back that take 22.5 hours to even reach us because they're so far away. That's got to be a great gig, huh? To be the computer programmer for that? I don't know, it's going to take a day to get there. So I'm going to go sleep in my car in the parking lot, if that's cool. Right. Just wake me up when the signal comes back.

You know, I'm actually going to go home. Yeah. You know, it's 22 and a half hours. Right. It is going to stop. It's going to reach its limit to be able to communicate back to Earth in 2025. So we're at the end of its lifespan because basically the power source that is steering the satellite, you know, the thing that is communicating back and forth to us,

like the thing that's required back and forth to us, like the thing that's required to point their communication dishes towards Earth will lose its power. I think you're referring to the gas engine. Yes, exactly. I mean, this thing was launched in 1977. Yeah, it's a lawnmower engine. It should have had leaded gas, probably would have gone longer. But there's this Guardian article about this that just points out that like they will outlive the pyramids they'll probably outlive us they'll probably outlive

the planet earth and will be the only record of our existence i mean assuming that we don't launch a bunch more of these but yeah shouldn't we update that like i get like shout out carl sagan for putting that together what is the return on investment though miles that is yeah right i feel like the people of the outer and other intergalactic communities should at least know about um i think you should leave you know and some of the comedy that we've had on this planet too just we also have fun too it's not just music. You know, we do dumb shit too. It does feel like, yeah,

the amount that you are able to fit onto a gold-plated record is not, probably not enough for people. Like, we probably need to do another one of these.

We need to do updates and that should be at the same place where you can get a fucking CAT scan. Yes. We should send a small test and a goddamn uh whatever space probe updates right send new space probes with your music in

them and then you don't really send them though because you just can't you obviously can't but you take people's money and you take their music and then you you know yeah that's a good idea put it in the dumpster out back and say you launched it. Send your album to the aliens. Oh, yeah. I launched your demo. Yeah, but you're also the recording facility, too. It's like, we also can record the demo here, too, man. Oh, yeah. We do all that.

We do it all, man. I got back end. I got it all, man. You don't even need an instrument, man. Just hop in the booth. Just get it out, man. I'll send it right up to space, man. Aliens are going to love your demos.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. What did you say? You just have a hard drive that is just traveling into deep intergalactic space, and you can upload people's albums onto it. Be like, upload your album to eternity. Yeah. That's how Jay-Z got signed.

You didn't know that? Yeah, that's right. What's the genre you do? It's called Krungstep. Yeah, it's Krungbin, but dubstep. You want a cat scan? Yeah. We got it all.

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