The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 322 (Best of 5/20/24-5/24/24)

Episode Date: May 26, 2024

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I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just

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get your podcast presented by elf beauty founding partner of iheart women's sports hello the internet and welcome to this episode of the weekly zeitgeist uh these are some of our favorite segments from this week all edited together into one uh non-stop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Miles, we are thrilled to be joined by today's special expert guest. He's a senior researcher of U.S. hate and extremist movements at the Institute for

Strategic Dialogue. To quote Samuel L. Jackson, Holt onto your butts. It's the return of Holtamania. The Holtster is in the house, so Holtster your weapons. It's Jared Holt!

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Holt! Holt! Thanks, guys. Good to be here. Holt! Holt! Holt! Hold on.

We're not done. Jared. There's a second. Jared. Jared. Jared. Hold on. I feel like I was off there.

Give me one second. Holt! Holt! Holt! What's good, man? Oh, man. Good to have you. Things are good.

It's hard to complain too much it's it's warm in chicago again oh so it's it's nice to go outside and see things start to grow and uh walk my dog along the lakefront which he is crazy about but yeah it's been good thanks what do you mean like the like that like he's rabid so when he sees bodies of water yeah yeah just are just loving it generally just excited by the the sheer fact is he loving it oh he uh he goes crazy he loves to smell all the weird stuff that washes up on the shore of lake michigan which a lot of stuff washes up there like kinds of fish you wouldn't expect like well that? That's probably a good sign. Like there's a lot of like crab looking things that wash up. And maybe I'm just showing my own ignorance over bodies of water,

which I will fully talk to. But yeah, he just goes crazy. He runs in circles, goes nuts for like 10 minutes. And then my wife and I usually carry him the rest of the way. But he loves it. Wow. Like that metaphor or that story about Christ. On the beach, carrying him.

And then do you make him look back at his footsteps and tell him? Me and mom. Oh, man. I'm glad you're here because the Donald Trump NRA speech drifted into Q-Town and I was like, oh, we're still playing that music again. So I'm glad you're here to be able to talk about that. He was definitely on a bit of a Q-tip on that one. Yes. Yeah. He could have been on a Kamal the Abstract sort of wave. That's a deep Q-tip cut for all my drive call quest fans out there yeah but i'm sure that was that like getting people excited on the old q internets yeah some of the q anon influencers which is such a weird thing to say yeah like the same way we think of like oh i'm like a spirituality influencer right just like buddy i've read a lot of posts and

yeah you're in safe hands don't worry those are my spiritual influencers yeah right right right yeah yeah some of them that i i still like kind of keep an eye on from the q anon heyday we're like oh it's this music again and it's interesting to see this make the rounds because during the 2020 campaign you know at trump rallies this music would play and all the cute people would get like really pumped up about it because it's the song by uh you know it's uploaded on i think it's soundcloud or a youtube channel or something by somebody who is just like straight up q pilled right and or appears to be i guess i should say and so they've always been

like look this is this is for us this is our music this is our anthem and the trump for us by campaign has just been adamant about like no it's just a song and then reporters are like well how did you find the song and they're like and next question you know and uh for all the flack they got for using that song four years ago it's it's definitely i mean this was like somebody's conscious choice was like we're gonna play this song again right yeah oh and he's gonna pause for 30 seconds so they're just like let that shit cook. Let that shit fucking bang. Let everyone baste in it. Marinate. Well, yeah, I'm glad you're here because I have many questions about that and generally what we're looking at this fall.

I also like to just coast off of the vibes of people who are in Chicago during summer because they have to tr trudge through like andy dufresne crawling through shit to freedom chicagoans need to trudge through eight months of pure shit to get to really like one of the best places to be during summer months spring and summer months and like in the world yeah yeah chicago in the summer is like my favorite place on earth yeah it's really great yeah wow now i must go have you been jack surely you've gone you said no i've never been Chicago in the summer is like my favorite place on earth. Yeah. It's really great. Yeah. Wow. Now I must go. Have you been Jack? Surely you've gone.

No, I've never been. I just, uh, you know, I've seen Ferris Bueller and I feel like I saw Ferris Bueller. That shit looks cool, bro. Shit looks tight.

Yeah. Always a summer. What is something from your search history? Okay. I got on the Bridgerton bandwagon. I googled did bangs exist in 1813?

Because you're talking about the one sister who's rocking the bangs all the time? Yeah, that one sister has the really long bangs. And I was like, this looks like a 2020 bang. Yeah. So then I googled. Then I went down this rabbit hole of learning about hair during

the regency era right so i guess they did have bangs oh they did i just i just didn't believe it yeah yeah there are some paintings they're just like not the famous one wait what's her name is it eloise who got the bangs well like this the that one sister had like really long bangs and i was like because the first one in season one she had that short weird short like audrey hepburn type bangs uh-huh yeah eloise eloise got the wild bangs yeah yeah yeah i was like is they have bangs when did bangs start i don't know that's what i'm going to do is that something you can google when did, when did bangs start? I'm looking up a portrait. De la Trice Jean Samari by Renoir.

Okay. It's a portrait painted in 1877 and she's working with bangs. She looks great. Bangs by the way. Oh, okay. Girls always get bangs when they like break up with guys. So I feel like.

Yeah. Forever. Yeah. Got it. gotta gotta try the bang out also there's so i mean well caesar right isn't the caesar a very banged male haircut in a way yeah but it's not like bangs that's more just push all over the front that's all yeah yeah it's a caesar all hands on deck to the front of the class. This is an interesting page. That's just like ancient ages bangs. And it's got some like Egyptian.

Oh, that's true. The Egyptians had bangs. The Egyptians were rocking bangs. 1490s to the 1500s. Bangs had a little bit of a moment. Joan of Arc was rocking bangs. Joan of Arc. Bangs been around. Totally. arc bangs been around i'm totally

bangs been around yeah i like those two though in my mind also i'm like debate i it's so funny because looking at that character i'm watching this new season too and it feels like it's it's like a it's like a wig bang you know what i mean like her bangs like it's part of the hair piece so like yeah sometimes it has like different like levels of body to it and i'm like man she's playing with these fake bangs. And then I was like, is were there is this allowed? Were there bangs? I keep Googling.

I've been watching this whole season. Just like, well, like the last season, there was like an Indian character. So I was like, did people from India go to England? And I was like, duh, of course. We were called nice by them. So that makes sense. Right. Right.

I was Googling. I don't know if you saw cotton this last season there was like a rotating band the band was rotating in a in the center of the dance floor oh no like a pedestal yeah i was like how did that happen did they do that i don't know everything every episode i googled something yeah yeah was there like a little mouse doing like a powering a wheel that was making it rotate yeah that's what i was wondering i was like they didn't have electricity yeah well i mean that's the thing where like obviously they take liberties especially with like the race relations

there are some irish people underground just like shoveling coal into it working the bellows yeah did you watch queen charlotte though that's like the closest one where they they reckon with like The fellows. Yeah. We need more power. Did you watch queen Charlotte though? That's like the closest one where they, they reckon with like the post-racial kind of vibes of the show. And I was like, Oh, because every, yeah.

The other ones are always like, yeah, I was like Googling her. Then I found like all these old pictures of her paintings of her and what she was supposed to look like. Right. And apparently she wasn't as gorgeous as they make her out to be in the real in this tv show and neither was king george no yeah that's all the whole series i've been googling a lot

realizing you're like maybe i'm not watching it for the historical accuracy at all oh this is fiction this is made up got it it. Yeah, yeah. Love it, love it, love it, love it, love it. What is something you think is underrated? Underrated. You know, maybe this is related. I didn't think about it as related. I didn't think of my underrelated, underrated as related to my Google search. But I was like, no one talks about the upside of dropping the ball.

Always. like no one talks about the upside of dropping the ball always like i'm actually a very i'm actually a personality that is not very like i don't drop the ball honestly i don't okay so you're a little type a on little type a but recently just because of life i've been dropping the ball here and there and at first i was feeling really bad about it because every every external factor tells you that you should feel like crap about it. And as a woman, I should really feel really bad because what, what is my contribution if I'm not carrying everyone's goddamn balls?

Yeah. Yeah. Drop no ball lady. Yeah. But it turns out that sometimes when you drop the ball, like you don't get back to some, like you just forget about things or you don't do summer camp on time or whatever. It's a, uh look it's solved like it's amazing you could drop balls and you just get more efficient at solving them quickly

yeah i think the part of the ball dropping process is also giving yourself like the confidence in yourself that you can address any kind of anomalous thing that happens any deviation from your set out plan any contingency because like i'm just thinking of like what my therapist and i can't drop the ball and it's like but don't you trust yourself that even if the ball is dropped that you would be able to figure it out i'm like maybe wow damn yes wow i do trust my you know what i'm dropping the ball because i know i can pick it back up yeah but but i won't be paying you this week. Yeah. Is that cool? I'm going to drop the ball.

One thing I need you to not drop the ball. I might drop the ball on this payment, though. So, yeah, I often think of like, you know, there's a bunch of things in this world that we always talk about. Like, you know, there's so many people talking about trauma and how trauma affects your life. And I'm sometimes like, what's the upside of trauma? Like sometimes, you know, you don't have to diet because you're so consumed with your trauma. You're not eating sugar. You're not doing that at all.

Yeah, I didn't realize I'm not taking care of myself. But hey, look, it had other parts that go along with it. Yeah, the older I've gotten gotten the more i've realized that i'm incredibly bad at judging like what is going like i feel stressed out about the wrong things i like worry about the wrong things and then oh what should you be worrying about uh-oh now i'm worried do i worry about the wrong things what should i be worried about well i just like you know events or something that i'm like dreading end up being fine or good. And then, you know, the stuff that. Just say it, Jack. It's the migrant convoys that are headed to our southern border.

I just spend, I mean, I've been, I've been pitching this story to Miles forever. I'm like, it's, it's xenophobic fear monk. They're talking about it on the news, man. You can see the corkboard behind me, but there's, there's some things that I need people to listen to. Is that dread on the corkboard? Oh, yeah. It's thread, right? Yeah.

Yarn. Yeah. Got it. But yeah, I just, I feel like a lot of, you know, I talked to an older person one time and they were like, if I had known like now what I, or if I had known then what I know now, like I wouldn't have worried about 95% of the shit that I spent my life worrying about. I know.

Yeah. Easy for you to say. Easy for you to say, asshole. But when I look back at an old to-do list full of things that are stressing me out that I have to get done, I don't even remember what most of them are. They're just so insignificant. So dumb. Yeah. remember what most of them are like they're so insignificant so dumb yeah yeah on the other side of that i feel like anytime someone's you know doing the an older person is doing a reflection

of like you know what i think about it now was really i just spend time with loved ones and you know friends and family and you're like yeah but you you made a fortune you didn't do that for a very very very very very long time. And now you're saying we should all spend time with loved ones. Yeah, you've been doing that for like 35 minutes. Yeah, it's like a millionaire biography. Who's just like, in retrospect, I just pulled myself up by the bootstraps and it was really easy and I didn't need anybody. But like, I just don't at all.

Should have spent time with my family. What is something you think is overrated? Boeing. I think Boeing is still still overrated. I just read yesterday that there's like 30 more planes that might just blow up in the sky. Yeah. Oh, no. How are you still even in business?

Like, like, at what point does the government just step in and nationalize boeing because it's like it's getting like i have to fly like four times in the next month and guarantee their boeing planes and i'm absolutely terrified of getting on these fucking planes like what happened to the other didn't other people make planes i thought there were other people made planes and now i can't even find them because like didn't mcdonald douglas end up merging with boeing like the other one yeah yeah yeah i feel like that they ended up merging with boeing and yeah like it's it's like you know it's all consolidation and then on the your fa the question about the faa is like regulatory capture like they just buddied up with the FAA.

And they're like, come on, man. Let us inspect our own planes, man. You don't got to look at our shit. They're like, oh, yeah. Okay, cool, cool, cool. We got that. Why would you inspect the planes? Because we're a federal regulator.

Yeah, we got inspectors too, bro. Just chill. You heard me say I got you. You heard me say this shit, bro. I don't just say that to anybody. Yeah. Yeah, it is wild and i mean like yeah every story like there's all like i feel like now there's like a weekly boeing story about something happening a landing gear malfunctioning or some other weird shit at first i thought it was like overblown like i was like oh i mean it's like i'll be honest i'm

like i've the door ripped off and i was like oh it's the max plan it's that plane right yeah that plane sucks the max it sucks but then they're now like as of this week this like new story they're like half their fleet might be fucked up or whatever it is i'm like yeah what are you people doing what is yeah and then is it a problem or is it not a problem the government needs to decide right because actually they are like it's a very this is very bad but then they're like fly away you know like which one you should if the planes will kill us shouldn't they stop the flights what's worse a couple hundred people dying or my revenue going to a fucking absolute halt well you know what i mean that's probably

what they're telling them like please don't make us shut down man we're not gonna make money to the aviation maintenance technicians yeah yeah it's your day it's your day pay them triple quadruple whatever a living wage times two please because we we need we need these planes in the air not boeing they're're not going to. Because they don't have to. Yeah, well, I mean, that boils down to the airline. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. All right. Nationalize them.

Yeah. Nationalize Boeing and Costco for different reasons. Right, exactly. For different reasons. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break, and we'll be right back. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.

I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration.

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How do you feel about biscuits? Hi, I'm Akilah Hughes, and I'm so excited about my new podcast, Rebel Spirit, where I head back to my hometown in Kentucky and try to convince my high school to change their racist mascot, the Rebels, into something everyone in the South loves, the Biscuits. I was a lady rebel.

Like, what does that even mean? The Boone County Rebels will stay the Boone County Rebels with the image of the Biscuits. It's right here in black and white in the prints. They lion. An individual that came to the school saying that God sent him to talk to me about the mascot switch. As a leader, you choose hills that you want to die on. Why would we want to be the losing team? I'd just take all the other stuff out of it.

Segregation academies. When civil rights said that we need to integrate public schools, these charter schools were exempt from that. Bigger than a flag or mascot. You have to be ready for serious backlash. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back we're back and jared you have this piece about to, I guess we would call it a report, it's an official, and it's about

the fact, something that I feel like we've, that's been coming up more and more recently, that not all conspiracy theories are created equal. There are some that are very dangerous, but they're not always the ones that get the most attention. So just wanted to like kind of get you to talk broadly about where the kind of impetus for this report was coming from. Like many things I write nowadays, it's equal parts trying to be helpful and also just my passive aggression at the national news and and the way they cover the stuff i research yeah so generally conspiracy theories and sort of how prevalent they feel like they've become in discourse especially political discourse is important on the whole but the premise of this

piece is basically to say that even though that bigger picture is important and all the conspiracy theories like make up that bigger picture it doesn't mean that like people saying that the illuminati is using taylor swift to flush the super bowl is equally as important as you know the same conspiracy theorist accusing some random no no name election worker of being a pedophile in that person's life being turned upside down by freaks on the internet yeah so it's like there's a power imbalance that you you kind of comes up throughout the report that like a lot of the theories, the, the one that jumped out to me because it's one that we've talked about on this

show is, but the Boeing whistleblower thing where whistleblowers keep dying and everyone's like having fun half jokingly, like with a little, you know, while waggling our eyebrows aggressively uh mentioning that two whistleblowers have died while while they were like about to testify and then like just unrelatedly linking off to the michael clayton meme or the mic not meme the michael clayton scene

where a corporation like murders a whistleblower. Oh, where they, they tase that dude and then they shoot him up between the toes. Yeah. Shoot him up between the toes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like on the one hand, like it seems like, I don't know, pretty, pretty huge accusation to make. On the other hand, I'm not as worried about Boeing. Like I don't think our problem as a society is Boeing, not like getting too much scrutiny personally. Like that doesn't seem to be the main society is Boeing not getting too much scrutiny, personally. That doesn't seem to be the main problem.

But I guess I'm curious, where does that fall for you on the list of conspiracy theories to be monitoring and concerned about? Yeah. So it's kind of conspiracy theories where, yeah, we all wiggle our eyebrows and wait for the other person to be like right i actually believe this though yeah you too right like you know yeah just keep going uh-huh uh-huh but like yeah but like wouldn't it be crazy if then somebody pulled up the banking documents for this and right right sir i told you we don't have a 12 in that shoe i was just back there. all form a negative opinion about Boeing, their corporation. My heart does not break for the stock price of Boeing or, you know, how people feel about their airplanes or whatever. I think if, you know, those kinds of theories started singling out, you know, like a specific lawyer,

and then all of a sudden like 200,000 people are hyper fixated on this lawyer and sharing their addresses and stuff like that can get a little bit, you know, then that would kind of get into the territory of like, oh, maybe we should keep an eye on this because this could actually like cause some trouble to this person who, as far as we know, could just be like, you know, totally innocent or whatever. It's just like people are coming up with things online to say about it. Yeah. So this piece is really more about like those power balances, like you pointed out, in considering the impact of conspiracy theories. I think there's a lot of conspiracy theories that exist in sort of a gray area,

like truth-wise of like, this certainly doesn't look good. It looks a little weird. And it might be fun to talk about or explore or like get you know but that's not something i like really it's not like a place i really try to go in this piece because it gets like a little you know complicated to talk about and it's maybe more of like a sociology question of like why do we enjoy this but sure but yeah that's that's kind of how i think about it. I tend to think stuff like that is, you know, generally benign or harmless in the grand scheme of things. And for me, I feel like the slow creep of this has sort of like flown under the radar, this latest needle drop, because like at first it was this thing that like, yeah, it might be tied to Q. And then he's started just like playing it during his speeches, like on purpose, like in a like music would start swelling up in a movie in a weird way.

And like at first I was like, geez, what is happening? This is so strange and now when he does it and like stops for a minute to just like let the music ride we're just like uh-huh like right so like this feels like we have a presidential candidate who if the election was held tomorrow would win or would be very close to winning, who is embracing what is ostensibly a cult with him as the figurehead. Is that one of the ones that you feel like we need to be worried about? And if so, why or why not? I would say yes, because of, you know, again, going back to this question of power. There's few people in the U.S. that hold more sway and are very close, if not, you know, several individuals to violence throughout the years, more consequential platform than that. you know, potentially the next president, you know, it's hard to think of a bigger, more consequential platform than that. Right. And what, like, you know, just kind of watching the ebb and flow of QAnon, like, obviously they, it's things subsided as, you know, the drops

became less and less frequent and then like stopped completely. Then you see sort of like it popping up. I just saw an article that you shared about how like QAnon references have been like just resurgent on like on Twitter recently. And looking at even like what Trump is doing, like in 2020, I remember we were all like, oh, shit, you're really doing this to try and like get as many people behind you for this reelection push as possible. And like winking at the QAnon people have been like, yeah, come on, y'all. Right'all right like here's my like come on down under this big tent and we can do it all together is it like you know from what you've seen is q anon still like at this level

where like this is sort of why trump's doing this again to be like all right guys like is it or is it kind of like an avengers assemble kind of like bat signal to be like, hey, we need to I need as many of the fucking freaks as possible like where we go once we go we go always many are saying we go one ton of meta he's winking at him because he thinks they're kind of cute you know yeah yeah yeah i love your shoes love your shoes i mean i think it it generally kind of lines up with both of the previous trump campaigns and what is shaping up to beat this one as well which is And what is shaping up to beat this one as well, which is, you know, put on a show for the freaks and let them kind of do the work of drumming up a larger base of support. sort of restrictionist positions than other GOP candidates in the field were at the time, and still has some of the most extreme immigration policies that, you know, are floating around the GOP. So, you know, between just like thumbing back through the Trump campaign prior iterations, but the interviews with Alex Jones, the praising of like nutjobs like Ted Nugent, the getting dinner with the lips of TikTok lady, you know, it's like very much this effort to cater to and sort of bring along anybody who is going to be ride or die for him.

So I think his affinity for the QAnonon people i don't think he's like deep in the weeds i don't i don't think he knows about like q drops or you know really like truly knows who any of these people are but he doesn't know about q drops because he is q and doing the drops right so like he doesn't even think about them as drops right is that what you mean right just trying to read between the lines to say that he knows about him would be underselling it, you know? Right, right, right. You know what I mean? He is, Jared is waggling his eyebrows at me.

Just like, no, but yeah, I mean, I think generally, you know, he doesn't meet supporters that he doesn't like. That's right. You know, tries to give him a little pat on the head and scratch to keep him going in terms of q anon more broadly it's certainly not what it used to be when the drops stopped right you know a lot of that energy went elsewhere in 2020 it was like starting to spill into anti-vax stuff it It continued to spill there. A lot of it spilled into election denialism more broadly. So a lot of like diehard Q people, you know, kind of looked up and went, okay, well, maybe the president wasn't posting on 8chan for me to read. Right. Right. You know, it's about the friends we made along the way. Right. And, you know, sort of the line in those spaces for a while was like, OK, it's not literally true, but, you know, it opened our eyes and got us ready to see the truth or whatever. Yeah. So a lot of these people have spilled over into like your local GOP office or school board. You know, some of them like went through the broken windows at the U.S. Capitol building and, you know, went to jail for that. And so the movement evolved.

I don't think it ever really died. That study that I shared from NewsGuard sort of redid this methodology that i did in i think it was 2022 or 2021 uh where i was looking at some of the catchphrases that you used to think about as like you know there's the the flag that says i'm a q head where we go on we go all right trust the plan or whatever it may be a storm yeah and those were kind of rolling off when i did that study and to see The storm. Yeah. if we do see sort of a return to form for some people, if they're like, okay, well, you know, they're looking around and they're like,

okay, we played the, you know, LGBTQ people are demons thing. What, what other greatest hits do we have? Right. Right. You know,

I mean, they might, they might pull this back out of the songbook. We don't know yet, but yeah, it's interesting. I mean, the core belief of the Q stuff is that we're all pedophiles,

right? Like, isn't that like one of the main ones? It's just you, Jack. It's just. The core belief of the Q stuff is that we're all pedophiles, right? Like, isn't that like one of the main ones? It's just you, Jack. It's just me in particular. They do have some pretty detailed stuff. No, but I guess that's one. Like, there's this New Yorker article that we talked about a couple weeks back that is about this idea of misinformation and kind of puts forward this idea that like some of the misinformation like some of the q stuff is people like not literally believing it like you just said

it's not that they literally believe it it's more that they believe it in the way that like a catholic person believes that the bread of the communion is like actually the body of jesus but like they don't expect blood to start like running down their mouth when they like put it you know when they bite into it they yeah i think that's the perfect way to put it yeah yeah they just believe it as a you know the way a religious person does in those cases, the more outlandish the belief, like this is where like speaking in tongues comes from, right? Like in certain Christian faiths, it's like the more outlandish and wild you can go with like the thing that you're saying you believe, even though you don't technically like adopt it as part of your reality and like

physically interact with it, the more outlandish the like more people are like wow that person's like going hard you know like that like you get they're going hard for q yeah yeah they're going hard for q but then like it does i keep waiting like once i found out okay there's this cult that likes a lot of their beliefs when you like pull out the like selected readings of like Q drops and then like the things that people are writing about Q would suggest that they think they're at war with like Satan and like people who are like worshiping the devil and like want to kill their kids and drink their like the adrenochrome and so i'm always like whenever there's like a mass shooting

or like something of that nature i'm always like well this has to be cute like it feels like the sort of thing that if people actually believe that we'd be seeing a lot more horrifying violence in response than we are actually seeing so i guess that makes me wonder like where q actually falls on that spectrum like is it something that people are just like, this is a fun thing that I talked to with my other weird friends. We hate Joe Biden, and this is a fun way to channel that hatred. And we think Trump is funny, and this don't expect anybody to have the answer on this, but I do think it's an interesting conversation as to like whether, you know, Q is going to rise to that level of being a justification for really horrifying violence. Like you're saying, like juxtaposing that with like great replacement theory or something where people truly adopt that as an ideology. And I mean, I guess I should point out that like we have politicians spreading stuff like great replacement, like you just mentioned, Miles. But as horrifying as they are, mass shootings are not happening because of it every day. And the same thing with QAnon.

There have been instances of like really nightmarish violence. I remember a few years ago, I think it was a surf instructor in California, like took his kids down to Mexico and just slaughtered them because he thought they were like lizard people or something. can do that. But that's something I also kind of get to in the piece that I wrote with my colleague, Lucy, which is, you know, trying to encourage, you know, writing kind of directly to a news audience here, trying to encourage like more open thinking about the role that conspiracy theories have in people's lives. You know, they, like any other form of media, they offer all kinds of non-material things to people you know and it's not just like pure information that must be debunked it's also like an expression for the people that believe it of like identity and philosophy and meaning and like these more abstract kind of like front brain kind of stuff yeah that that no like uh well actually the the new york times said that was false and then people are like what what okay eight of the things that you just cited in that paragraph got more than three pinocchios from the fact checkers

of the washington oh shit yeah you're averaging four Pinocchios, my good man. Yeah. So. Yeah. So it's, you know, I think trying to think a little bit more openly about like what theories like that can mean to people. To some people, they can be very literal. To people, especially people who are having, you know, some sort of mental crisis or have inclinations towards violence or other dire sort of personal situations, they can be justifications for really terrible things.

To a lot of people, they can be entertainment. To some people, it can be like a quasi-religion. It can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. be like a quasi religion. It can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. And the point that I was trying to make in the article is it's worth thinking about those kind of implications or like what that might mean beyond just like what a lot of coverage of conspiracy theories and big publications tends to look like, which is they're saying Taylor Swift is going to, you know, get a sniper rifle and shoot the ball and deflate it. And then the Super Bowl is going to be ruined.

Yeah. Whatever, you know, and then being like, damn, that got a lot of clicks. Is there a lot of Americans that think this is true? And it's like, but that's not like. You're linking off to it in your massive news publication, by the way. Right, right. off to it in your massive news publication by the way right yeah we the stupidity of other people like in the abstract is like a myth that i feel like we want to believe in as americans like we want to believe that the if you can tell people that like a big group of people is believing

something that like seems incomprehensibly like almost unbelievably stupid like they they're gonna eat that up they they love to believe that it's just generally when you talk to those people not true that they actually believe yeah i mean i've talked to like especially when i was doing more like on the ground reporting stuff, I would just go to like QAnon events and talk to these people. And these, a lot of, I mean, some of them were,

were not the, you know, sharpest tools in the ship, but a lot of them, most of them, I would even say were perfectly smart people, but had like their intelligence had taken them into like nonsense land. So it was a perfectly rational belief in

things that were laughably untrue does that make sense yeah i mean there's a study about people who are being deprogrammed from cults when you like give people iq tests who have been in cults like they score on average higher than the rest of the population because the theory goes that they're able to bend their mind around and construct more complex counterarguments for more comprehensive and bizarre systems of belief. Basically, they would make good lawyers because they're intelligent, and being a good lawyer means you can construct a good defense of like anything in your mind this kind is that's kind of how i've always thought

about that factor like made sense of the fact that people in cults tend to be smarter on average than the average person but yeah i mean that's that's one of the reasons my golf game suffered like i was telling you i took one little trip down to havana started hearing some weird stuff man ever since keep slicing the ball that's one that's one that like i don't think people would technically think of it as a conspiracy theory because it's coming from like openly coming from 60 minutes and like you know the department of i guess it's less and less coming from but like i guess former defense department officials but oh the havana syndrome havana syndrome it's like i got a tummy ache yeah yeah and my ears are ringing and my memory's bad i'm 73 when when i'm 73 and i

drank an entire bottle of whiskey last night and i I woke up and I feel terrible. To make the voices stop from all the people that I've had a hand in helping the U.S. Army kill. Maybe or maybe not. I don't know. It's fine working at the CIA. I don't think that had anything to do with my mental stress, man. But yeah, when it's going from the U.S. military to Cuba, I feel like that power imbalance worries me a little bit. Right.

That feels like a bad balance overall. But let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk a little bit more about maybe some of the ones that you're most worried about and others that people can maybe not worry about as much. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve

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A lion. An individual that came to the school saying that God sent him to talk to me about the mascot switch is a leader. You choose hills that you want to die on. Why would we want to be the losing team? I'd just take all the other stuff out of it. Segregation academies. When civil rights said that we need

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being flirty like that was what they talked about at first they were like yeah it's like kind of flirty and fun and like we'll just it'll be like having a real assistant and then you know it came out and people were like this sounds like scarlett johansson's no thing in her and then fucking sam altman just tweeted the word her like like he has like a liar liar curse or something he just like couldn't help himself he was like her yes it's her and so now uh the story continues to evolve and that now they're basically getting in trouble for it yeah i think so scarlett johansson released a statement uh and it basically outlines kind of like what her interactions were with Sam Altman and OpenAI. And she says that Altman first reached out to her in September about potentially voicing Sky because he believed it would, quote, bridge the gap between tech companies and creatives and something about her voice being like a comfort to users.

Like that would just kind of help people transition into this apocalyptic technology or they want you to believe it's apocalyptic anyway so she declined she was like yeah let me think about that it's a no for me dog uh she was like so i worked on the film so i actually had to watch it all the way to the end so i know what happens in the movie i know beyond the first like 30 minutes which is apparently all that you've seen right yeah and i don't want to tell a user that i'm also having simultaneous conversations with 8 000 other people or whatever that line was in the movie that shit was dope but then so she so she declined and then two days before the chat gpt demo came out with the sky demo came out altman

reached out again asking her to please reconsider two Two days before. Yeah. Exactly. Someone probably reminded him like, ah, you may want to fucking circle back with Scarlet, man. And anyway. Yeah. He had his AI legal team, aka just a real legal team, look through his interactions and they were like, we're

fucked here, Sam. You asked her, dude. Yeah. There's like a paper trail. And before she could say fuck off dweeb the company went ahead and released the demo and despite the fact that like you said this motherfucker literally tweeted her h-e-r that when the demo was released he just said this is a bad mix-up quote we believe that ai voices should not deliberately mimic a celebrity's distinctive voice sky's voice is not an imitation of scarlett Johansson, but belongs to a different professional actress using her own natural speaking voice. We cast the voice actor behind Skye's voice before any outreach to Ms. Johansson.

Out of respect for her, we have paused paused using sky's voice in our products we are sorry to miss johansson uh that we didn't communicate better that is a real did they really think she wasn't gonna lawyer up like how did they not think that i don't i think it speaks to an arrogance of these people generally yeah that like even when they well they think that like they don't realize how eerie their technology is and like, like, Scarlet, like, we really think, like, you can help us. Like, they're like, dude, no. So we'll reach out to Scarlet. She'll be like, yeah, oh, my God, AI is so cool.

Would love to be involved. Then we move forward. Yeah, there wasn't just a massive strike of writers and actors that were all about being like, yo, fuck AI. Yeah, so we want to ask her to be her. Okay. But basically, it seemed that like once her lawyers, she lawyered up when she saw this. And once her lawyers asked, they're like, we'd like a step by step explanation as to how the voice of Sky was even made. Open AI was like, it's all good, man.

We're taking it down. It's actually cool. We actually don't need to give you good, man. We're taking it down. It's actually cool. We actually don't need to give you that because we're going to take it down because it's dumb anyways and we're like, the thing we hate is a miscommunication. So that's why we're taking it down. It has nothing to do with how we came about

that and whether we had microphones placed around her house to hear how she says various things. Or just fed it a bunch of movies, right? And trained it on a bunch of lines of dialogue or whatever. And that's the thing. It's like, because these companies are already facing huge lawsuits from news outlets and other writers and things.

Because these models are trained on other people's fucking work. So I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that maybe scarlet's voice may have actually been involved with this like development of the sky voice also fucking sky scarlet like we're there's just sky is where her character goes at the end of the movie okay i'm just saying connect the fucking dots miles we Actually, her name is Skylight. Oh, it's nothing to do with Scarlet. Skylight? Wait, that just sounds like an Australian person saying Scarlet. Shut the fuck up.

No, Scarlet Jokes Dancing. Skylight Jokes Dancing? Yeah, that's the full name of her. And it has nothing to do with the movie or the actress. I think what's even wilder, though, is recently Sam Altman gave this interview where he was asked to predict the future in regards to fucking AI. Yes. And just listen to his answer.

He's got some like this guy can like see the future in like new dimensions. I didn't even like can't even think about it's crazy. Yeah. So he's being asked by this guy saying, hey, man, so like, where do you see like what jobs do you see becoming like actually in demand because of AI? And this is his very fucking groundbreaking answer. That's a great question. And I don't think I've ever gotten it before.

It's people always ask, like, what job is going to go away? The new one is a more interesting question. Let me think for a second. I mean, there's like a lot of things that I could talk about that I think are sort of less interesting or less huge. This is such a bullshit wind-up answer. Yeah, killing time. I want to punch him. 100 million people do or 50 million people do.

Get to the answer for the broad category of new kinds of art entertainment sort of more like human to human connection i don't know what that job title is going to be but i think friendship and i don't know if this like we get there in five years but i think there's going to be a premium on like human in-person like fantastic. I don't know what we'll call that. Yeah. We'll call that fucking concerts, sporting events, magic shows,

Disneyland, restaurants, going. I think there's going to be like, I don't know, like really cool thing, like premium on like people, like sitting around a table and like consuming food together or something.

You know what I mean? Like, it's just like really, I don't know. It's like, I'm trying to think like a hundred, a hundred million together or something. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like really, I don't know. It's like, I I'm trying to think like a hundred, a hundred million, 50 million.

That's like, listen to any like tech person. Like they're great at, they will compliment the shit out of the interviewer. And then they'll also just like throw out massive numbers at various points. I'm not, I don't want to like talk about the ones that are going to be like small. I want to talk about the ones,

a hundred, 50 million, a hundred that are $150 million. $300 million. Get those out of the way. Yeah. His answer reminds me of back in the world of voting, like four years ago or five years ago, that election cycle,

everyone was talking about relational voting. And all relational voting is, is when one person talks to their friends about voting and encourages them to vote. But it became this like breakthrough cutting edge. Somebody had invented it for you. Yeah, relational organizing. Right.

I mean, that's like that's a really I mean, it's a brilliant page to take out of these grifters in Silicon Valley because there is so many things of just pivoting and describing something that exists in like these new fantastic terms. And people are like, oh my God, dude, did you hear what Altman said? Premium in-person fantastic experiences. That's when you're like, dude, you're cooked, man. If your brain is boomeranging back to just regular life as you look into your AI future, that's, that's red flags. What's going on in your life? Yeah. Like how is AI connected? I think that's true.

I think people will in the future put more of a premium on being together in person. What the fuck does that have to do with AI whatsoever? Like the AI will make the experience premium. Yeah. Premium in person, fantastic experiences where you're premium and just so authentic, but so experiential and immersive. I'm not even looking at 10 years from now. I'm looking at 10 centuries from now. Yeah. Okay. And that's, and that's what I see right now. People are, people are just going to be yearning for it, you know, and after, you know, this

will be after the inevitable resource wars and we're trying to figure out when I own all the water. So you'll actually be into whatever the fuck I tell you to be into. Yeah. The, uh, I was just like kind of seeing what they were saying on the open AI Reddit and like, first there was one person who just quote tweet he was like a thing that I think a lot of people are missing

and then like just quoted the thing where he's like you know we got a totally different actress who is her own voice and people are like uh huh but do we have the audio for the

voices? No, I was trying to find it this morning. Have you been able to find that one? Which one? What Sky's voice sounds like? Do we think Sky is related to Sky Rizzy, by the way? Hey, Dad, why do so many people like Sky Rizzy? Why is Sky Rizzy

so popular is a question, Tez, that my six-year-old asked me the other day. As long as he's not asking you about skibbity boop again. Skibbity toilet. He knows what that is. That was what we talked about last time I was on your show. Yeah. Jesus.

Let's see. Let me see if we can hear it here. Hey, ChatGPT. How are you doing? I'm doing fantastic. Thanks for asking asking how about you pretty good what's up so my friend uh barrett here he's been having trouble sleeping it's got that rasp you know what i mean it's got that scargo at rasp to it you know what i mean yeah

and just the overall energy is very similar yeah yeah yeah it's like a combination of the her voice and like a little bit of like Siri mixed. Yeah, a little bit hyper. Yeah, a little. Yeah, it's the her voice on uppers. Like, what if it was like a little more perky? What if it? Yeah, yeah. But still got that rasp to let people comforting.

Also, a lot of the a lot of fake legal experts in the subreddit are like, well, it doesn't matter. You can't copyright a voice. So I just wish Scarlett Johansson would just shut up and stop being mean to Sam Altman. What is that even based on? What logic is that? Can't copyright a voice. So I don't know what you're talking about. And somebody was like, actually, Bette Midler successfully sued the Ford Motor Company in 1988 because very similar, she was

approached to sing in an ad for Ford, said no. Ford got an impersonator instead to sing a Bette Midler song in their ad. Gotcha. Fucking audacity. Amazing.

Yeah. We'll keep trying. We'll see, but it is pretty funny that they are this fucking stupid and uh finally i want to talk about jesse waters he this seems to be the rhythm of his show over and over again where he like brings somebody on his show mocks them and immediately gets owned by the guest right all right or he it's usually the usual fox thing where they think they've booked someone who is not intelligent but then actually knows how to speak very well and just dunks on him yeah yeah yeah it feels like his show is structured like the tollbooth willie skit on that adam sandler album where like different people just come in and politely

tell him to go fuck himself and he's just like fuck you with a polite smile but yeah in this case videos of rage rituals in which women go to the woods and smash things or like shout how have i as a woman not known about this well you're not you're not on tiktok enough clearly because that's where they're apparently this is Well, you're not on TikTok enough. Apparently. Because that's where they're going viral. Apparently, this is what I have to do on camping. Also, it costs $2,000 to $4,000, these things. Like, I get the catharsis of screaming and getting your frustration out in a very physical way.

But to charge people $2,000 to do that feels a little bit fucking gross. Yeah, where does the money go? The wellness industry is wild. One day option is $222? What? I'm in the wrong industry. Oh, yeah. Yeah, seriously.

Yeah. Get off these writers groups. Start doing rage outs with creatives. Wow. We go to the woods and we throw rocks into a stream and it's like three grand. Can you pay me? That's it. But Jesse Waters, you could probably predict his objection, which is like, what are women so angry about?

What are they mad at? Are they mad at me? They're probably mad at me, right? So he dedicated a segment on his show to this trend, asking, why are women so mad these days gee how much time do you have asshole he said women are very upset why mystery probably something we did and then he proceeded to condescendingly interview the self-proclaimed witch mia magic who runs the retreats but she was like, Hey, I actually read your shitty book over the week.

I mean, she didn't say shitty. She was like, I read your book over the weekend, man. Like, so I know you a little bit. So when he balked at the suggestion that men should be more emotionally

available and vulnerable magic countered, you got a divorce, Jesse, right? I'm sure you had a couple of nights where you were sad and where you felt lonely. You know, I think that everyone needs to feel comfortable to feel, which. Yeah. Let me just play the quote because he's really being a smug prick.

And then just the chest pass right back. It's like, you're divorced, right? Sad guy. You're not sad? You're saying a lot really fast so we have to write this down you said listening holding listening yeah nurturing these are things women should expect from men bringing nature going out into nature is really great because nature into nature okay listening listening to them holding them taking them on

walking like this is the first time he's ever heard. Am I missing anything? Asking them what they need for support. Asking them for support. Like he's like, he's taking a fucking order, like someone's bizarre order at like a restaurant. Okay. So you want to taking someone to hear your needs. Okay. I never heard that one before. All right, go on, Jesse. Okay. These are, yeah, this is big advice. And I think being vulnerable.

Oh, that's a deal killer. Yeah, being vulnerable. I think men, oh, come on. That's a deal killer. I'm teasing. You got divorced, Jesse, right? I'm sure you had a couple of nights where you were sad and where you felt lonely. Yes.

You know, I think that everyone needs to feel comfortable to feel. I'm the most vulnerable man you'll ever meet, but we have to go. You're a good witch. Oh, weird. We have to go. Oh, okay. Now you have to go? Yeah, yeah.

Then he said, you're a good witch. Oh, now we got to go, because you're a good witch. Wow. Yeah. But yeah, it's... He's like, I'm the most vulnerable. How do I get me out of this moment

as fast as possible? God. You know he fucking like when they like wrapped recording he went to his like fucking dressing room and just like looking in the mirror with like tears in his eyes right just smile never breaks but just fucking yeah his veneers crack through the sheer tension in his jaw like you're good jesse you're're smiling. Oh, man. Me and Magic, though. Two to four grand.

Like, him always repeating this same ritual. Like, he probably has, like, a humiliation thing, right? Oh, for sure. I feel like he was maybe trying not to, like, have an orgasm during that part where she was humiliating him. Yeah. Just, yeah. Okay.

There's so many, if you just search Jesse waters, humiliated, it's like, there's like so many things, like whether it's like his mom or other guests, whoever come on, there's always like something.

And he's like, all right. Thank you. Okay. Mom. Good good good to know i wonder what his wife is thinking watching this his ex his ex yeah his ex-wife ex-wife that's right ex-wife ex-wife yeah i don't know it's not my wife anymore oh jesus was it vulnerable dude noel waters uh he married her in 2009 went 10 years filed for divorce in 2018

after waters admitted to an affair with a producer on his show on his show yeah damn jesse damn bro have written it better yeah i mean should have sent a poet Wow Vulnerable yeah Gotta get vulnerable with that I'm sure But you know like in that instance do you think he really Even perceived that divorce as an L He's like nah I found a better one That I liked more than my wife So I win and she's crying

Haha Jesse undefeated Like that was when he like doubled down Into like his like I'm Don Draper Type of thing right around that time yeah huh interesting all right yeah oh he ended up marrying this producer oh he really did the switch wait he admitted to an affair or she admitted to an affair no he admitted like he had he had the affair and now he is married to the person that he had the affair with oh okay like he fully

did the tarzan he's like let me grab the next vine and let me let go of the other one yeah yeah i bet he wrote all about it in his book yeah in no way a self-serving account in no way a self-serving one-sided account of what happened there i'm sure i mean you know what that book is called how i saved Saved the World by Jesse Watt. No, it's not. Is it really? Yeah. Oh, my God.

Oh, boy. Ew. And then he has another one, Get It Together, Troubling Tales from the Liberal Fringe. Wow. Get it together. Which is weird. That's his, like, where's your son?

Yeah. Here's your son. Do you think he talked about the divorce on get it together? Troubling tales from the liberal fringe or how I saved the world? Cause either one, it's weird. Yeah. Like how I saved the world.

I'm like cheating on my wife and marrying this associate producer. And now having my kids question what their family life is about. Whatever. It doesn't matter. We're good. We're matter. We're good. We're good. Alright, that's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

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