The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 323 (Best of 5/27/24-5/31/24)

Episode Date: June 2, 2024

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Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeart on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast presented by elf beauty founding partner of iheart women's sports hello the internet and welcome to this episode of the weekly zeitgeist uh these are some of our favorite segments from this week all edited together into one uh non-stop infotainment laugh-stravaganza. So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a brilliant TV writer, performer,

and enrolled member of the Cowlitz Indian tribe who's written on shows for Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, DreamWorks, the Netflix animated series Spirit Rangers. He's the creator of the brilliant web series Gone Native. Please welcome back to the show the hilarious, the talented, Joey Cliff! Joey! Hey, everybody. I'm Joey Cliff, a.k.a. Oh, I'm Joey Clift, a.k.a. Oh, I'm Joey Clift.

Oh, guested on the Zeitgeist. Take my hand. We'll record it, I swear. Oh, I'm on the Daily Zeitgeist. Shout out to me 15 seconds ago when I realized, oh, shit, I have to do a parody song about myself. You just did that 15 seconds ago? That was off the dome, bro. That was off the dome man that was just the daily z yeah we're fucked jack this guy came up with that 15 fucking seconds yeah it took an entire discord server to help us fucking genius i mean it's better than usually like, you start singing and then I'm just like, oh, shit, Google popular song and lyrics.

And it's just like, OK, can I like, can I do the not like us, like, like verse, like about like certified podcast certified Joey Cliff? Yeah, yeah, there you go. I had like a little bit of headway. Yeah, I've noticed a lot of our guests block out the part where we sing in their memory. So it's they just remember when we start singing. They're like, oh, God, I forgot this show is weird as fuck. Yeah. Joey, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history?

OK, so the last thing for my Google search history is the question, is one pull-up a lot of pull-ups? So I've started, like I've talked about my personal fitness journey on the Daily Zeitgeist a little bit, but I've just reached the point after a year and a half

of working with the personal trainer that I can do one pull-up. And I'm very proud of myself for it. Hell yeah. Like I feel like I'm at the point where if I see a bar hanging above my head, I don't care what time of day it is. I don't care, like, where I'm at.

I don't care how I'm dressed. I'm going to bust out exactly one very struggled pull-up. Or do the one, the kind I do, where you use your upward momentum from a jump to be like, yeah, man, I'm up and down. No, no, no, no.

That's how I used to be able to do that. No, this is a full hang. Okay, you know, all right. This is a is a full yeah this is a real pull-up they're probably on hgh or some shit nobody can do a fucking pull-up like that oh yeah i mean we're recording this over zoom nobody can do it but if i can the entire zoom window are my muscles yes yeah i mean like look brock lesnar can probably do one maybe one and a half pull-ups. I doubt it. I doubt it. Pull-ups, that was the one part of the presidential fitness test.

I didn't even attempt. I was just like, go up, and I'm out of here. I'm not going to let you see me squirm. The strength shit, like the push-ups, I was like, miss me with that. The stretch, you want to see how flexible these hammies are? You want to see me touch my toes? Watch me fuck up this little wooden box with the inaccurate lines drawn on

it, like the one we had at our school to gauge however flexible you were. And then the other one, shuttle run. Shuttle run. Killing it at the fucking shuttle run. That's impressive yeah oh yeah like wind sprints yeah pull-ups yeah yeah get the fuck away from me man was rope climb

universal did everybody do the we didn't have rope climb at ours we we had a rope climb in mine i could not i could i just that was that was my like oh there's just no way i could ever yeah same like the hey pull-ups and rope climb were a real mess for me. Well, congratulations on the one pull-up. Yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. I'm still too afraid to try.

Hey, you can do it, man. You give hope to those of us who just got up there. And it's hard. My body's so heavy. The thing is, my body's so heavy, my arms so weak. I can't support my own weight. What is something you think is underrated? So this is always my go-to, and it's such a dipshit answer,

but I think kindness is underrated. I think especially now. We should be kinder at all times. But then the other... Dipshit alert. I appreciate it. No, you're right it is a different answer but the um the uh the other which sort of goes along thematically with what we were just talking about is i think like regional wrestling is underrated wow and there's a promotion in oakland which i

love so much called hood slam which is like a amateur... No, it's not amateur. It's regional wrestling. So it's not like pro at the WWE corporate sort of thing, but it's like a professional local wrestling. And it's got so much vibe and personality, and it feels gritty like the early 20th century, I imagine. And I love it so much. Yeah. Like local wrestling they i mean while the production value may be one thing the dedication of those people is like wild because i feel like i see the wildest wrestling clips like early clips gone

wrong or at these like sort of like local wrestling shows or someone's like oh my god that guy literally went through like a patio glass door like that yeah i've seen yes i've seen people like launch you know what do you like 20 25 feet from like 20 25 feet high and like land on other people in a way where i don't know how it's possible right for everyone to be moderately okay. Yeah. There's no way that when it's a person landing on a person, there's no safe version of that. There's no like, oh, well, yeah, actually, because this part of their body actually landed on this part. There's too many variables at work there.

There's just no way that that's actually going to like work every time. And I feel like that's the other thing that I always find out about wrestling that I can't believe is like, yeah, it's our hundredth show in May. It's like, wait, what do you mean? Dude, if I sleep wrong, I'm fucked for a week. Like, yeah, like, like my I can't move my body correctly. But these guys are like doing this, this you know a dozen times a month launching themselves off stuff and so yeah and i also the thing i like about hoodsland too is it's like pretty queer like there's a lot of queer representation there which is great so it's

like it's all around it's like fun for the whole family right right yeah those guys are always wild when they're like yeah man i take about 15 fluorescent light tubes to the face a day yeah i don't know if there's any knock-on effects. That's actually just my warm-up. That's how I get out of the bed in the morning. Makes for a nice pop, but it's safe for us, mostly. Just some light scratches. When you say it has

early 20th century vibes, what specifically? Well, I'm really into the history of wrestling, and so before Vince McMahon came into the game and did, particularly in the early 80s, sort of this like corporate entertainment consolidation thing, wrestling from the late 30s through the 80s was extremely regional. It was like very gritty. It had local personalities. It had, you know, it was. It felt dangerous.

I'm not saying that WWE does not feel dangerous in very specific ways, but it just felt... I don't know. It feels like one of the last truly standing local or regional phenomena. And I like that a whole lot. It's its own scene. Yeah. And in the late nineties,

like early to like when ECW was like, there was like, there was WWF and then there was ECW and they're like, are you ready for ECW? And I was like, no, I'm a baby. I do not want to see RVD bloody this other man.

I'm still getting ready from the last thing. I'm not ready for this new thing no i i truly i truly enjoy it it feels it it really feels like it's from another time in the most positive way yeah like we like to say i uh you know man the true american art form is like movies or rock and roll it's wrestling wrestling if you if you can check it out if you don't know about it josephine reisman's book ringmaster about vince mcmahon and his ascent and all the stuff that he did is the best book that explains american political culture i've ever read because it's sort of it maps a one for one he and trump were like best friends in the early 80s and continue

to be close like there's so many similarities and it is i do think that wrestling particularly the the sort of like culture of it is the best and easiest way to understand american politics that was the first thing that like abraham lincoln stood out as is he he was like a great wrestler like he was like people like back then it was like you would go in and like grapple with someone until somebody got like knocked off their feet and he was just like unfuckwithable in that yeah he was just like throwing people around shout out to dan o'brien yeah yeah a. Yeah, a lot of wrestling presidents. I didn't realize.

Yeah. Taft. That's what Biden's missing. Teddy Roosevelt. Calvin Coolidge. Yeah. It's almost wild how many of these people are like, yeah, bro. The whole thing is overpowering another human being.

Do I have the will to be president? Gotta have a wide base, if you know what I mean. Yeah. Alright, so we know that you think the cat culture is underrated in Istanbul. What is something you think is overrated?

Overrated? I'm gonna go with fancy water bottles. Also, on this trip, I meant to bring... My previous water bottle was silicone and kind of got too moldy, so I was shopping for new ones and getting recommendations from friends. And there are these like, you know, $50, $60, $80 water bottles. $80? Oh, yeah.

There's a, because some people want them like super insulated and it's tapered and it's got some sort of design element to it. But even some of the cheaper ones, you know, they're still, you know, $20 or $30. And I actually ended up forgetting to bring the ones that I had, that I tested. And so at LAX, they don't sell a plastic water bottles anymore, which is great. So I just got a bottle of, uh, in metal and, uh, endlessly refillable and it was, you know, five or six bucks and I made it through the whole trip and I get to use it again. No mold. Yeah. And if I decide I don't want to, if I lose it, no big deal. I lost five or six bucks and it's completely recyclable

also. So I think overrated, I do not see the advantage of, you know, even a $20 fancy water bottle compared to just getting a disposable, refillable regular water bottle bottled water at the airport or something in a metal container. Like a Dasani

or like a Smart Water? What do what are we working with no there's like a company that has like that sells like those metal bottles i know like yeah i think they did they did have some brands that i had heard before like those like those ones but this one uh this one looks a little more sturdy and it was great there you go yeah that's a um i was just like just traveling the bringing a water bottle is so important because oh my god yeah I only in the last maybe two years took seriously like how dehydrated you actually get on a plane and how much that affects your ability to like adjust with time change and things like that so yeah and plus so many airports now are that have like full-on refilling style stations so whatever kind of cup like if you have a Nalgene or whatever,

you just pop that shit open and fill it up. And this works great for that. What I hate though, is when, when you go through security and if you haven't consumed all your water and they don't have like a sink or a drain to put it in and that you got to pound it or you got to pour it into this like flimsy plastic bag. Yeah.

Yeah. But yeah, yeah. On the plane, like, and now also, I don't know if they're all cutting expenses or just, we were in on the, in the cheapskate section, but you don know if they're all cutting expenses or just we were in the cheapskate section.

But you don't even get like a full bottle or can of water when you ask for one anymore. Oh, no, a little cup. You get a tiny, tiny little cup. Tiny little cup. I do the thing. I'm like, hey, man, can you top off my bottle? And they're like, yeah, yeah, here, right here. And they just dump like the two liter into my shit.

And I'm like, thank you. Whoa. Appreciate that. Yes. So that's, again, a testament to your energy. When I ask for that, it doesn't go well. You're like, and it's not to murder someone. Hey, could you dump that whole thing into my shit, man?

What? Keep your voice down, sir. Why are you screaming? My bad. I'm sweating so much. Hey, fill this shit up, yeah? I'm not saying I've got cleavers in my carry-on, but... And if they were, they're not for murder.

What them lips do. Yeah, sir. Yeah, now once I give them as gifts, all bets are off. I don't know what my friends are going to do with them. Right. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's right. All right, let's take a quick break, and we'll be right back.

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And we're back. We're back. And we've got alerts set up. We've got a couple people from the Zeitgeist Newsroom who are on the billionaire sub beat. Just kind of to have a line out just in case anything pops up. And we just got a flag. We just got one. We just got an alert. Well, first of all, stop me if you heard this one, folks. A billionaire

who thinks he is invincible due to his wealth thinks that he can help build a submarine that can safely take people to see the wreckage of the Titanic. Sounds so familiar. Yeah, they're calling it Billionaire Sub-Tragedy 2, Titanic Boogaloo. And we're not talking about the Ocean Gate disaster from last year.

This is a new idea from a different billionaire, Larry Connor. He said, quote, I want to show people worldwide that while the ocean is extremely powerful, it can be wonderful and enjoyable and really kind of life changing if you go about it the right way. Wow. I guess not life changing in that it ends your life, I guess. But the wild part is that this dude was fucking inspired by those five people who died in that other homemade submarine last June. To the point that when he saw it, he called his friend who owns a submersible company with his better idea. Go see the Titanic and not die. He said, quote, you know, this is apparently what the builder said. Well, you know, what we need to do is build a sub that can dive to titanic level depths

repeatedly and safely and demonstrate to the world that you guys can do that. And that Titan was a contraption. A little bit arrogant. The Titan was a contraption. Is he using contraption

like a claptrap? Like he's using it as like a submersible. That was some bullshit that he threw together. Swiss family Robinson ass submarine. Yes. That's like a Tom Sawyer, Swiss family Robinson-ass submarine. Yes. It's weird to sell this as a way

to illustrate that it was a contraption. Like they're all not sold on that yet. Right, right, right. They're like the thing with the video game controller that everyone was laughing at in the build-up. That imploded and killed a bunch of innocent people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah i just like the idea that this is just the call of homemade submersible to the titanic like that

specific idea is just irresistible to billionaires they just like can't stop themselves like there's do you ever hear about the my way killings like the there's this trend where anybody who's saying the song my way by frank sinatra in the philippines like got murdered there's like a ton of murders where it doesn't really make sense but it was just like they the singing of that song for some reason in that culture like infuriated people and there were multiple murders that were blamed on that and it's just like this weird like something about that specific culture and that specific song just didn't mix or mixed in a very specific way and like caused people to die. I feel like maybe we found like the hack for killing billionaires is just this idea,

the call of the deep, the call of the homemade, like, Hey, you pulled yourself up by your own bootstraps with your own bare hands. You should build a submersible with those same hands. Yeah. And maybe don't use the Titanic.

Don't use your wealth to like help anyone. No. Build a fucking really strong tin can to go look at some dead stuff at the bottom of the sea and maybe die in the process.

I'm just saying. Yeah. I mean, but this guy, so he's actually kind of, he's not a noob at this kind of shit, it turns out.

Like, he has already been to depths that far surpassed the titanic site um alongside his friend who has like a submersible company like he's gone to the like fucking mariana trench like wow he's gone below 20 000 feet in a submersible so i'd say like he definitely it stands to reason that he may survive but like when you look at his wikipedia he's like does all these like auto races. He's fucking he's like had this goal.

He's like, I went to the Mariana Trench. I now I want to go to space. I want to do that within one year, go to the deepest part of the sea and then out of like into outer space as the extremes I can reach with my wealth. Yeah. The Titanic is around twelve thousand five hundred feet. So, I mean, he's, so I don't know. Well, I, part of me just thinks like maybe it's the law of the sea that if you're a billionaire at a certain depth, like it just, the sea just consumes you. It calls you.

It calls you to it. It's really, that's where like the siren myth came from. It's like, yeah, people, it's like just calls them to the bottom. I truly, I know it's, it's know it's a cliche to even bring it up. You just touched on it. I don't know why they don't think fixing climate change would be the coolest thing.

We would all celebrate you. We would all not joke about you for a day. Just fix the fucking problem. Right, yeah, exactly. We'd all be so psyched. And Elon, we would

not make fun of you for a full day if you fix climate change. Put your money where your mouth is. Because then I was like, you could actually solve world hunger with blah, blah. It's like, okay, then fucking do it, genius. What are you afraid of? I have like $2 billion. I'm going to live to 200. Who cares?

Shut the fuck up. I think the way you get to be What are you afraid of? I'm just saying. Two billion dollars? I'm going to live to 200. Who cares? Yeah. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. Who cares? I think the way you get to be a billionaire is being pathologically selfish. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

But you know, it's interesting. I read this other thing about his, not greed exactly, but when the pandemic hit, he made like $1.6 million in profit because like like stock volatility like that was after taxes he gave it all to his workers that were making like less than like 100 grand a year like spread it out like amongst his like employees yeah larry connor did but then it's also like sure like you're a billionaire and you're like oh i just i fucking farted like i farted out uh 1.6 million dollars on accident you're like yeah i guess they can fucking have that shit you know what i mean so i don't know if it's but and then like other people like i was reading this article like he was also had like you know was paying for all

the extended child care that his employees need so he does like the bare minimum to not look like a absolutely craven billionaire but at the end of the day you know you're still a billionaire at the beginning of the pandemic like we were there was like a conspicuous feeling where everyone was just like looking around like wait so these fucking people have like what money yeah it was like that that imagine song they released that imagine song we fucking hate you guys right right right and so yeah i mean he might be very smart he's like you can have my money like throwing his wallet essentially when he's being mugged yeah look over there cash fucking losers and runs for his life yeah but i do there if we're gonna give up on them fixing climate change, which I'm almost ready to do, I don't think it's going to be a single individual billionaire of his own accord.

Maybe like at gunpoint, they might help fix the problem. do projects with their own money. Like, I love doing projects where their sense of invincibility takes them to the bottom of the ocean or into space, like, in something that they tried to build themselves. Right. Well, I mean, it's...

And I'm glad that they're taking it out on themselves because the converse situation of them helping fix climate change is they put the contraption in the air and it brings us back to the Ice Age or something along those lines. So I'm glad when it goes wrong, it usually only takes them out. But I don't know. Jury's out on AI, though. We'll find out soon. Yeah, that is wild. We would name Christmas

after you if you fucking fixed climate change. We'd be like, nope, this one's about Larry Connor now. I don't know if God loved the world so much that he gave his only son. I think this billionaire gave up a lot of his money and saved the planet, dude dude i don't know

jesus i think you might have to fuck off on this one move move over jesus you could have boxing day okay america's due to like take up boxing day we'll give that to you where everybody trades their presence don't you think we should have that that's kind of fun no dude i ain't giving up my fucking gifts dude what the fuck are you talking about? I wanted that shit. You just said that because you want my gifts. Because I get better gifts. Because I have better gifts because my parents are better than yours. My dad's in the CIA.

My dad's in the CIA and I got three Mr. Buckets, fool. Back the fuck up. You should see all the balls coming out of his mouth. Out of his mouth. The balls pop out of my mouth. out of his mouth. Yeah. The balls pop out of my mouth. Out of my mouth. Yeah. I like how he had like a southern drawl a little bit.

Yeah, yeah. Like an older southern man who keeps talking about popping balls out of his mouth. Let's talk about Nepo babies. Oh, yeah. New one. Yeah. We got it. Yeah. um let's talk about nepo babies oh yeah new one yeah we gotta yeah so northwest kanye and kim's daughter i just want to say like at the outset i'm not here to criticize a child i am here to criticize that child's parents thank you. I'm here to trash a 10-year-old girl. I've always told people Jack would never criticize a child, and I'm glad we're hearing it here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, just not Kim and Kanye's child. Other children? Ugh. They don't get a fucking excuse for that. I think Northwest might have a future in this industry. So I've got to I've got to, you know, be careful. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Be careful with your words for sure. So, I mean, yeah, she recently like landed one of the starring roles in this like 30th anniversary performance of The Lion King. Not like the Broadway version. It was just more of like songs from the from the movies like Nathan Lane was there and Jeremy Irons was fucking there. And like, you know, even people from the from the movies like nathan lane was there and jeremy irons was fucking there and like you know even people from the the recent remake and their performance went down over memorial day weekend and a lot and you know sadly because the internet is a fucking shitty place there's just so many people talking wild shit about northwest performance i'll play a bit of it here just so you can kind of hear what what we're talking about and this isn't to be like yeah man fuck yeah fucking right they gotta tear her down

and then it goes around but i'm gonna need to play more all the professionals come in and are like okay we got it we're dancing around you we're dancing around you you're okay you're okay um but yeah i think you know to be honest i think it's an above average performance for a 10 year old in a school production uh yeah just keep it up keep it a buck here and look she's having her fun she's doing her best but like most people just decided to tear her down because, you know, like was saying, there are so many kids with actual vocal and dance training that would have done such a better job. And yes, while that's true, your anger should not be directed at a child. Get mad again at her parents for putting her in this situation because nepotism ain't going away, baby. It's all around.

And in Los Angeles, it's it will never go away ever it's the law of the land yeah truly there's nothing you can do but like i get it does suck for like kids that dedicate themselves to perform on stage and then they just get swept aside because the kid of like a celebrity couple like wants the role but yeah it is interesting just to see like there are i think equal i think after most people are just like saying a bunch of wild shit on like tiktok instagram and like twitter most of the people's writing is like is this was that kim and kanye really setting their kid up for success by doing stuff like this because i don't i didn't know that northwest was a aspiring stage performer it just felt like

she's meant to do a lot of stuff that her parents are like yeah try that try that i didn't know they had a child at that age like i if you were like guess what how old their child is i'd be like i don't know one five i have no idea and then and apparently they're old enough to sing at the Hollywood Bowl to the Lion King. Yeah. Because I just think of how Kim had the booze removed from her appearance on that Netflix Tom Brady roast. Oh, really? Yeah. She must understand.

I mean, people don't know why. A lot of people are like, she probably did not like that. Most people were just talking about how she was getting food. So at least on some level, she knows what it's like when people don't take you seriously, at least from like an ego, egoic, like perspective, but like putting your kid in that same position, it just feels a little bit fucking wild. Like, I, like I also, we're also seeing this like with LeBron James and his son too right now, where there's a little bit like, just let your i also we're also seeing this like with lebron james and his son too right now where there's a little bit like just let your kid do what they do don't get overly involved and create outsized expectations much in the same way if you're going to use your celebrity

be like we're jumping the line at this audition and this is the new child simba for the production just kind of the lebron james bra thing. This whole thing just stresses me out. Makes me feel bad for the kids. Makes me feel bad for the kids who would have had a better chance. Were there these people's parents not like cutting them to the front of the line. So, yeah,

I mean, and I get it. Like, I think that's why it just kind of freaks me out. Cause like, as a parent, like I think my own kid is a living fucking God, but you know what I mean?

Like this kid's fucking, what are you talking about? Yeah. Like he can't walk. The worst judge. We are the worst judges. But he could be Simba in the Hollywood bowl performance. You know, like, I think I believe that. Now my kid on the other hand would have nailed that.

Right. But like, you know, but then also part of me realizes like part of my role is to like nurture their interests and also give them like a foundation to like operate from where they realize like dedication and commitment are like the ways you can like improve your skills or like your craft or whatever, not shortcuts. especially who has not who has basically ascended very passively and probably thinks like that's normal and like not even like that's fine man she'll just get fucking made fun of a little bit but at least she was up there on that stage because that's my daughter the number one number one kim didn't ascend passively kim like got out of like i feel like a household that is the equivalent of like when they talk about vladimir putin coming out of like a prison in russia like where everybody like murders each other and he's the only survivor she's like the bane of american popular culture like american popular trash culture i think she's a she's a survivor i think

she'll be she she she earned a lot of the attention yeah well hey and then chris did a lot of the attention. Yeah. Well, hey, and then Chris did a lot for her career. So maybe there's also that, too, where she's like, the mother will also assume a lot of responsibility in getting their child their own sex tape. Yes. I just think, I mean, this is just, all of that is, I think, beautiful and rational. I just think, you know, this is yet another circumstance in which there's no one around you being like, Hey, maybe not. Maybe don't do this. It's been 20 years since you've had anyone say no to you. Right. I wonder what happened. Like if someone, everyone's like, did you ask North if she wants to do this? I don't, she wants to do it. Okay. I know her. She said no. And she was crying all the way to the audition. But she wants to do it. She wants to. I know. I know. I know.

But yeah, it's I mean, because that's the thing is like for getting mad at a kid who like if they have any sort of desire to perform, it's like they're going to be like, I don't know if I'm ready to be Simba. And there's like really cool thing that's happening. Of course, every kid who has a remote interest is going to say yes. So being like, what's wrong with Northwest? It's like, dude, she's 10. Okay. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. There's nothing wrong with her. Not it. Look at this. Look at this part of her performance. Yeah. And that's why I keep saying the same thing about RFK Jr. Like, guys, he didn't choose.

Oh, wait. How old is he? 60. But he has the mind of a spoiled 10-year-old. Oh, he's 70. I'm sorry. Wow. He's 70, eh?

He's 70. Wow. Dude, that's crazy that he's the young one. Porcelain over 70. I know. He's a young 70. A spry 70. Oh, yeah.

Very spry. Very spry. Very spry. But yeah, so there's been a lot of talk about who rfk is going for in this like is he trying to appeal to the mega people is he trying to steal the joe biden voter and he kind of gave us a little bit of a a better clue recently when he was got he feigned outrage at the removal of confederacy statues yeah it's i'm trying to figure out who this venn diagram of voters is where that sweet spot is rfk you know like right there in the middle because like he's into bitcoin brain worms ending forever wars ending vaccines

i think it's alicia silverstone i think she's endorsed him i think the middle of the event i love it it's one don't get me wrong yeah it's alicia silverstone and jessica beale kind of on the low but she won't really say it out loud and justin timberlake she's not against vaccine she's against the injuries that vaccine may cause to children. And she just loves statues. You know, four statues. I'm all about artisan work and artisanal work and copper, the use of steels to craft forms. Think of the artisans that we're silencing.

Exactly. But like, yeah, in this recent podcast, he let people know, man, this is just quote, I have a visceral reaction against the attacks on those statues. There were heroes in the Confederacy who didn't have slaves. And, you know, I just have a visceral reaction against destroying history. I don't like it.

I think we should celebrate who we are. Who we are? Yeah, slaveholders. That's on y'all. That's on y'all. I mean, hey, he said it, not me. are who we are yeah slaveholders that's your that's on y'all that's on y'all i mean hey he said it not me uh quote we should celebrate the good qualities of everybody if we want to find people who are completely virtuous on every issue throughout history we would erase all of history

love that tactic i love that rhetorical tactic so he wants them up not as a reminder of how bad slavery was, but as an opportunity to celebrate the good qualities of Confederates. Yes. Wow. So this is important to say in this content. Earlier I said kindness is important. I fully believe that. But this is also a good time to reiterate that you can be kind

and acknowledge that this is so fucking stupid and irresponsible. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I am similarly genuinely curious. I mean, outside of just like appealing to people who love podcasts that are heavily advertised by supplements, like that's who he's appealing to here. Yeah. People who love the podcast, the supplement pushers. that are heavily advertised by supplements like that's who he's appealing to here. People who love the podcast, the supplement pushers.

Like Robert E. Lee, it's all based on this fucking just weird rewriting of the Civil War where a lot of these people like to be like Robert E. Lee wasn't a slave owner. And then it's like the fine print is like okay, it's like he inherited slaves through his marriage or some shit.

Very reluctantly. And he fought numerous legal battles for his right to own slaves. But he's a goddamn hero. Okay. Don't get focused on like the bad shit. And yeah, like this whole thing is about you hear this all the time with like, you know, even the way people or kids are being taught about the Civil War, like it's more and more. It's not about like it wasn't about slavery, just about guys who like love their homeland and they're just defending their culture. That's all this whole thing was about.

And then like, but don't look in on why these statues were erected or why these like forts were named after it it's like these were a salve to the hurt feelings of white supremacists that felt fully defeated after they were going to arrest teachers yeah they're erected during the ascendancy of the KKK yeah and we're going to arrest teachers that like actually tell you the story

of what happened in the Civil War but it's not about that it's not about that they It's not about that. They're erasing history. No, I think it's your statue, I think, to try and make these people out to be these virtuous

martyrs who loved their town, man. That's all it was. Well, I think that, you know, and also the contradiction, it's so interesting because it's like there's always like a big truth and a big lie being told simultaneously and the truth is this is who we are like it is it is part of the the history that this has happened and that's an important

thing to acknowledge and sort of like what it represented but then the lie is in being like these people were good actually and it's like no we have to acknowledge that there's been a lot of bad yeah yeah along the way yeah these are the uh people who fought for the rights of the south to own slaves we don't want to erase that history so here is a statue of them looking fucking awesome on horseback so cool look at how many push-ups you can do look how look how fucking barrel chested that dude is bro oh my god but his kind face look at his arms like christmas hams so big so big and strong but yeah i mean like so like trump uh rfk is also opposed to the removal of these metal hunks of racist ideology so yeah i don't know if he wins any biden voters with this but again this seems to be more of a contest of who can do the worst job in office rather than the best so yeah yeah go off

go off rfk let him know let him know do you think he and heinz are going to get divorced after this like why is what's happening i don't know i i mean i've had that thought for like eight years now like well surely this must be the point at which she's like what the fuck right clearly clearly not like i remember in early days she was like kind of distancing herself but now she's like you know part of his campaign to run for president i don't know maybe october maybe that'll be the october surprise It'll be the most biggest dud of an October surprise is that she divorces him. Yeah. She just kind of seems to be like, I don't,

yeah, you know, he says stuff, but you know, we agree to disagree. I think it was like the, one of the last things I saw from Fox news, March 10th stuff.

Yeah. You know, one of the things that I've learned, especially about politics, is you're not going to agree with somebody about everything. And it's okay. So, you know, we've learned to talk through it, talk it out, listen to each other, sometimes agree to disagree or say, oh, I'm going to think about that. I hear what you're saying. Okay, I'm going to think about that. That COVID seems to not affect the Chinese and Ashkenazi Jews.

Yeah, thanks, honey. Let me take a second on that. Who do you think started it then? If it doesn't affect them. Is this the worm talking or are you just being anti-subjective? I've recovered from the worm, okay? That was back then when I was going through a divorce and it suited me to be affected by a beta. She has this very strange, very specific superpower

to be really endearing as the partner life partner wife of somebody saying like outrageous shit yeah like it's just she's used it she took that and used it for the worst ends like i you know she she went from larry on the show to just like, and now I apply that same kind of smile, roll your eyes and just be like, this is who I married, I guess. Energy to somebody who would fucking end the world. I think it's like it helps him a lot to have someone who's on the surface seemingly as sane as cheryl hines beat to do like be good cop to his like whack job cop yeah you know act yeah it's like it's like his fault first and foremost i never want to be like well the spouse in this situation is sort of you know whatever but like she her not going hey guys this is fucked and irresponsible is doing a lot of heavy lifting

right yeah it's uh but hey it helps because part of me i remember for the longest time i was like well cheryl's like i liked curb so much i'm like well if cheryl's i mean like she didn't put up with a lot of larry's shit you know like it kind of got to a breaking point with larry so this can't be it can't be that bad with RFK Jr. So credit to that, because that, that protected him in my mind from any real criticism for a long time until I started to be like, wait, what the fuck is he actually saying? Robert, that's just what I picture her saying a lot. Robert, what are you saying? What did you just say in there on your interview? Robert. What are you saying?

What did you just say in there on your interview? Just, babe, that, you know, Robert E. Lee was a good man, and he didn't own slaves. Honey, he did. She's like, I'll think about that. I'm gonna go think about it. I'm just reading this book. It's a biography of Robert E. Lee, the

definitive one, and it said that quote, between owning a handful of slaves from his own family and then managing his father-in-law's 200 slaves Lee was very very involved with slavery during his life and up to the end of 1860 okay I'll think on it honey I'm gonna

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We're back. A lot of people are saying, so just personally, I root for the box office. I want to be able to continue to see movies in theaters. Like Reagan.

You were just saying off mic. Into the future. Yeah, like Reagan. Like Reagan. I want to be able to see Reagan in August. People aren't afraid to say shit anymore. But everybody likes a story about Hollywood's failing. And they had a tough, the people who pull for the box office had a tough weekend this past weekend.

As Furiosa, the Mad Max prequel, and Garfield. A lot of people were like, this is going to be the next Barbenheimer. Gar Furiosa. I don't know if people were seriously saying that. I feel like it was just me. I was the only person who was loudly saying that, but that didn't happen at all. It was the worst Memorial Day weekend, not counting the pandemic since the movie Casper with Christina Ricci. Oh, my God. 1995. Yeah. Damn. Almost 30 years. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah. They broke the streak.

Damn, almost 30 years. Wow. Yeah. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Yeah, they broke the streak. Yeah. They really took it back to 95. Our writer, JM, says, by the way, Furiosa is way better than Casper.

Oh, Furiosa's fantastic. Yeah. I mean, I can only imagine. We'll hopefully see it. But Casper, by the way, a children's movie in which a ghost who by my math is at least in his 40s uh relentlessly hits on christina ricci as a teenager yeah but he's like a ghost like but he's like a kid ghost you know what i mean he's perpetually a kid but yeah yeah yeah but it's also certified casper certified pedophile but yeah furiosa's $32 million.

To put that in perspective, last year Disney's Little Mermaid remake made $118 million on Memorial Day weekend. The year before that, Top Gun Maverick made $160 million. Obviously, those were both massive hits. They're not on the same level

in terms of international fandom. Fury Road was huge, but not like to the place where you have people who like live and breathe Little Mermaid all the time or like live and breathe Top Gun shit. Fury Road was like when it was go viral because they were just like so over the top right and then it came out and was one of the best action movies ever made and so i think people like it's just so funny how people are like so this helmer legged it out to 400 million so expect furiosa to do the same it's like well it's not lightning in a bottle like you're not gonna always be able to capture lightning in a bottle the second time

and also it's a fucking prequel how many times do we have to do this you guys yeah yeah well no i i will agree. And that's one of my, I'm a huge, like, I know I talk about Garfield a lot, but I'm also just a huge, like, Mad Max post-apocalyptic fan. So for me, this was just like, this was genuinely a weekend I was like so stoked about. Yeah. And, you know, that's something that I really love about the Mad Max world is like you have a character named the Bullet Farmer who farms bullets and has bullets for teeth and there's a point in like fury road where he pulls one of his bullet teeth out and then puts it in a gun and then shoot somebody with his bullet tooth yeah it's just like it's just watching like an insane fever dream for two hours oh yeah and i and i super agree i think that you know i think that fury

road was like george miller i think is a fantastic director but i think that fury road just the alchemy on it was like so perfect of it's just an insane car chase for two hours you know and furiosa i think was good but i do think that it was hurt by the fact that like fury road came out like a decade ago and though it's considered to be like the best movie the 2010s it's just been a little while i feel like you know just like the box office is a little bit fractured right now and um you know it fury road or furiosa it definitely had buzz of like oh this is a really good movie going into it but it didn't necessarily have the like holy shit you have to see this but yeah you know yeah and and i think it's gonna have a little bit of a long tail assuming they don't just throw it on max in two weeks or whatever it's like i think it's got good buzz and i think that like next weekend and the weekend after that will probably also be good for it i think we'll continue to see like it's just so

the thing that happened about 10 years ago is they let the marketing department take over what films got made and how they were developed and so now that like the marvel movies and all the franchises have been like juiced dry they're like now have to like make movie movies again and so it's like marketing people trying to make movie movies and they're like i don't know make a prequel to that one from the barbie movie like the best thing we we love gosling, make a Gosling funny movie. And it's just like, they're pulling pieces out, but like, this is they,

the thing that is making those first movies great is like the filmmaking and, you know, the actual like things that actually drive creative inspiration and creative execution. And so I think we're going to continue to see like these types of like hyped movies. Like this isn't, I think it's weird that this being pitched as like a flop.

That's not that big of a flop. It's like about what I would have expected it to do. But like, I think we'll see these movies underperform like big box office expectations. And then we'll see like surprise hits like we'll continue to see things like everything everywhere all at once that like nobody sees coming and just like get through by nailing it i think it's also tough because the industry is very quick to label a movie as either a flop or a hit like you know day one of it being out sure and like i mean i don't

know it's like when i was a kid like jurassic park was in theaters for a year you know like like titanic's titanic is one of the most profitable movies of all time its opening weekend was like fine you know it did like what like 40 million or whatever it's or 50 million it's opening weekend off of a several hundred million dollar budget 30s i remember people were like this is kind of a flop guys but then like but then it's like second weekend it did like 35 million it just kept going up there like six million you know and it just kept that going for like 12 weeks or whatever and i think that like you know fall guys is another movie that i feel like people immediately labeled a flop but then like you go to any screening week

two and screenings were packed of people that were excited to see it. It's just like, you know, a little bit of patience would be appreciated. Yeah. Right. But because they're, they're like, uh, they're measuring it up against fucking Marvel movies.

And it's like, well, that's not how these are going to perform. Right. Yeah. It's not going to do a $400 million opening weekend or something like that. it should.

Yeah. That's my ass on the line. Okay. No, no. Yeah. It's my ass on the line. Okay. No, no. Yeah. It's, it's definitely like difficult. And I think like to your point, Joey, like there is such a rush to immediately be like, this is the impact right now. Just over three days, I can tell you this is hit, this is flop. And yeah, it's not, it's the worst way to like assess a film, but yeah, I don't know. I don't know if they'll be able to fully quit the habit of like, you know, it's like the sort of development process now.

It looks like they're just looking around the couch, like underneath the couch cushions for stuff that maybe they forgot about. They can make a movie into. They're like, oh, what about this fucking thing too? I forgot about that. Speaking of, okay, so if Fury, or furiosa was a flop i gotta say the garfield movie was a hit it's made a hundred million dollars box office of a 60 million dollar budget so far i know that's a hit well but people are calling it a flop like the headline is like what garfield and furiosa flop at the box office and it's it's like no the garfield movie and the

garfield movie came out in international territories like two weeks ago yeah so that just the so but like it's made 100 million dollars of a 60 million dollar budget and i i get furiosa a little or a little bit because it's got 150 million dollar budget and it also made like 30 million dollars this weekend or whatever yeah so it's like that just has more of a hill to make its money back whereas the garfield movie it's made 40 million in profit or whatever you know already like and that's not even counting like promotional tie-in yeah well i mean speaking of promo uh i you if you were i saw you getting a lot of retweets this weekend in regards oh yeah okay uh so garfield weekend and so this was this

was a big weekend for me i saw furiosa you know you know, with my girlfriend on Friday on IMAX. And then we planned basically all of Saturday and Sunday to be like Garfield days. So as, you know, any weekend is for me normally. Yeah. But we basically set aside. Yeah, not Monday. Not Monday. So we set aside basically two days to do all of the Garfield promotional tie-in things.

Like Olive Garden had a deal where they've got like lasagna sponsored by the Garfield movie. How was that? We were talking about that. Like, I mean, it's Olive Garden. It's always Olive Garden hits, you know, especially those Olive Garden. Like my girlfriend, she commented on like she'd been it was her first time in Olive Garden in like years. And she had a breadstick and she was like, oh, this is like real good you know like yeah it's the fucking taco bell of italian food of course yeah yeah yeah what was great is like we walked in the door wearing like very elaborate garfield shirts

and the people at the counter immediately like gave us garfield children's menu coloring books yes and then and then because they were just like oh you guys should have these and then we sat down at our table and our garfield coloring books were next to it next to us when the waiter walked up and they were like oh do you want us to like wait for your kids to get here and we were like no we're two adults yeah shut the fuck up i'm on a date pretty much so um so our saturday we ate at all where do you think my, where do you think my kids are? Do you think we two parents are just waiting? Does that happen a lot? Like,

the kids are driving separately? Yeah, for sure. They didn't go to the bathroom on their own or whatever,

you know. But so, like, we ate at this, we ate this three-course lasagna meal at Olive Garden and then afterwards

we were going to check into Motel 6 who has a thing they're calling the Garfield suite, which is for, there's like 10 locations in America that have one room decked out in Garfield merchandise. That's called the Garfield suite. It's hard to book. You have to like call it in, in order to get the room. It's like, it's, and when I called in, it was like the most nerve wracking, like, oh, I got to book this. I got to book this. It's like 12 people like texted it to me or whatever so after we had our like off-guard meal we get to the motel 6 by lax which is the only motel in los angeles that had the garfield suite uh wearing our elaborate garfield

shirts we're getting ready to check in they're like talking about like oh you guys must be really big garfield fans because we're like wearing our shirts you're like garfield yeah they're about to check us in they like turn around the thing for me to sign and they stop and say wait we double You're like Garfield? The teacher moved to the arm. Yeah, yeah. So it was the odds of, like, they double booked the room, the Scarfield suite, and the two people, the two groups of people who booked the room showed up at the exact same time to check in. Wow, awkward. Yeah, yeah. And it was intense. It was, like, people were, like, they were, like, tears about to be shed. Like, you know, it was, we were all very passionately, but, like, politely, but very passionately fighting over this room themed after a 1970s comic book character.

Right. And finally, you know, kind of the one. Yeah, for sure. For sure. For sure. So finally, so the resolution was basically like we kind of realized, OK, like there's no way that all of us are going to get this room. You know, it's it's it's just not going to happen.

So instead, what we did is we were like, will you like give us a refund and just let us take like fun selfies in this room? Right. So they like they said like, oh, thank God. Yes us take like fun selfies in this room right so they like they said like oh thank god yes and they brought us into the room and we like got we took out like five minutes worth of pictures in the room and then we left and um yeah it was just such a wild experience i hope you defiled that bedroom just for good measure oh yeah i for sure took a shit in the oe uh no no we tried to be like really cool and nice yeah yeah yeah but, so I posted about this on Twitter and it like blew up.

And now it's like, I think like the thrillist did like interview me about it this morning. Wow. Oh my God. Doing write-ups. It's like, it's like the producer of the Garfield movie, like posted about it on Instagram. It's like. Dude, hopefully this will lead to something really dope rather than a motel six room where there's like mere orange stuff on the walls. And they're like, no, man, we want to offer you something even better.

Yeah, we want to offer you the Heathcliff suite. Yeah. The dumpster out back. Wait, so was the, because you ceded the room to this other person, were they grateful? How did that play out? No, honestly. So I would say that this is a situation of like a bunch of, you know, for sure, grown adults without children. Yeah, I get that.

Who are all just like, OK, we like understand this sucks. And like, you know, and everybody was very it was like the sort of thing where it's like nobody nobody wanted to use the I need to speak to the manager tone. Right, right, right. But we all like it was more like, ah, shit, are you serious? Yeah, yeah. I'm just like, can you like, I don't know. There was a glitch in the system. Oh,

and another fun detail is they were like, we could like reschedule. They were at first, they were like, we can give you an upgrade on your motel six room. And we were like, no. And then the second thing they offered is like very specific.

Yeah. And then the second thing that they offered was like, oh yeah, we've, so we do have one day in this entire promotion where the room is still available. And change you to that. It's on a Monday. And I was wearing a T-shirt that had fuck Mondays on it.

And I was like, that's even less of an option. Are you fucking serious? Yeah. They offered us a room on a Monday. Fuck with me. And like and I think my girlfriend, she's very my girlfriend, who's very kind and very sweet, her name's Goldie, said very sincerely to the Motel 6 employee, you don't understand. Garfield hates Mondays as a justified reason for us to not get the room on a Monday, which is fair. Right, right, right.

Yeah, so the resolution is, yeah, so we took a couple selfies in the room and, you know, kind of seated the room. And, you know, the other person, they were very grateful. Motel 6 employees, I think, were just happy to not have a fistfight breakout over a Garfield room. Well, that's good that both parties had self-awareness in the incident.

You know what I mean? Motel 6, we talked over social media a little bit. They're going to send us a nice gift basket. It's like, you know, I feel like we're all trying to treat the situation okay. But yeah, just a crazy, unexpected thing. I did not expect to

maybe get into a fistfight over a Garfield suite this weekend. Yeah, but you know, I would put my money on you and Goldie, though. I don't care how many tattoos. Yeah, you saw how many pull-ups I could do. Yeah, man, one pull-up? You'd be like, hold on, before you want to fucking ball your fists up in front of me watch this shit you do one pull-up you like one now very struggled like i'm definitely going like shaking

minutes later hey where are you going where are you going so producer justin connor was like is this gonna be like the beginning of barbarian like yeah like you check in and then the people show up. What if Barbarian was in the I think you should leave sketch from Garfield? The Garfield sketch by the usually gay. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show. It means the world to Miles.

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