The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 324 (Best of 6/3/24-6/7/24)

Episode Date: June 9, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties
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Starting point is 00:00:30 I'm Jess Costavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
Starting point is 00:00:56 or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game.
Starting point is 00:01:15 Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeart on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast presented by elf beauty founding partner of iheart women's sports hello the internet and welcome to this episode of the weekly zeitgeist uh these are some of our favorite segments from this week all edited together into one uh non-stop infotainment laugh-stravaganza. Yeah, so without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Starting point is 00:01:59 by the hosts of the fascinating podcast, Sea Change, which is produced by New Orleans and Baton Rouge Public Radio. Please welcome to the show Carlisle Calhoun and Hallie Parker! Carlisle Calhoun! Welcome, welcome. We are so happy to be here. Thank you so much for having us. Yeah, of course.
Starting point is 00:02:21 It's nice to have people who are doing really good investigative podcasting, unlike us who are subjecting you guys to trying to figure out a food and wine article. I was going to say, two peers in the world of just doing important podcasting, groundbreaking podcasting. It's great to be in the same room with some people who I can just let my hair down and be like, I'm with my people. We both get it. We both get it and are breaking new ground. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we break. You know, I'm loving it in the space that you all are providing here. So thank you. Well, you're too kind. I'm already thoroughly entertained. Oh, thank you. You're too kind. You're too kind. I don't know if our names will ever be listed or mentioned by anything with the word Pulitzer in front of it. Probably not.
Starting point is 00:03:10 We are definitively unassociated with anything to do with the Pulitzers. They were like, we just want to. They issued a statement just making sure that everybody with just for no purpose. Yeah. Just to be clear, we have nothing to do with that show. FYI. Nobody suggested we did, but we just want to get ahead of it. Get ahead of any misunderstandings for sure.
Starting point is 00:03:35 For sure. You guys are both in New Orleans. Yeah. Yeah. We're both based in New Orleans. How is New Orleans right now? This time of year? Steamy. Steamy.
Starting point is 00:03:46 So steamy. So hot and steamy. But in a charming way, right? Yeah. Drenched in history. That groan from Hallie kind of said a lot for me. It's the time of year where it's just air conditioning all day. You get to see the sun outside.
Starting point is 00:04:01 You want to touch it, but you can't because you know you'll get burned. It's like the inverse of everywhere else like the rest of the year everybody like looks at our zoom backgrounds and they're like where are you god that looks amazing oh new orleans in the summertime it's just us being like everybody else is like yay summer and we're like yeah just the deafening sound of insects like drowning in heat. Yeah. The muggier the place, I feel like the less enthusiasm from people who have to go through it every year. They're like, no, it's fine.
Starting point is 00:04:38 I mean, I have to bring seven pairs of seven outfits with me just to go outside for 10 minutes. Exactly. Yeah, I know that. I know that plate. Air conditioning, huh? What an innovation. What an innovation. What an innovation. I need to get the one in my car fixed. It's been a year, guys. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:04:52 And it's crazy being a new artist. Holly, that is not okay. That is not okay. So are you just like driving 80 down in a 35 just to get the wind up? Just to feel a breeze and also to feel some life, yeah. Just to feel a breeze and also to feel some life yeah when you didn't just to feel alive when i had i had an all-black car that did not have air conditioning in the dry desert heat of los angeles and when i was in that phase in the summer i had i'm no joke i would have a driving shirt i would wear because i was like when i get to my destination i cannot look respectable stepping out of the vehicle like this but i I had a, I had them on deck, but that's actually genius.
Starting point is 00:05:26 I mean, ideally I'll get my act together and just get my AC fix, but it's not. I can have two shirts. Yeah. I have an outfit. Yeah. Great innovation.
Starting point is 00:05:35 The way my problem solving works is, especially at that time, like, is it going to cost money? And I'm like, well, what's the other thing I can do? You know what?
Starting point is 00:05:41 I guess I just wear sexy. Yeah. You understand. Yeah, exactly. Oh, man. The stains that would have grown out of that thing. There would have been another podcast about another existential threat to humanity scientifically. That's right.
Starting point is 00:05:55 What is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? This is a very specific to Ian carmel right now search history result but it is best build for mage bg3 i i recently downloaded the video game balder's gate 3 and it has it didn't even come out recently i think it i think it's come out in the last year, but it has completely swallowed my life. I have been lost in a world of Dungeons & Dragons role-playing for the last
Starting point is 00:06:33 few days. I'm currently unemployed. I'm about to go on the tour for the book and everything, but I am in this beautiful period where there's not quite enough time to do anything constructive. I am playing a video game. A video game where, when you're creating your character, there are different options for what penis they have.
Starting point is 00:06:50 Oh, yeah? And you get to see them? You get to see them. You get to cycle through three different penises, or a default, or three different vulvas, or the default. And do you see it like what it looks like in action? What it looks like just like kind of hanging out? Only soft. You never see it like what what it looks like in action what it looks like just like kind of
Starting point is 00:07:05 physics only you never you never see it erect and honestly the biggest changes are in pubic hair like the uh amount and thickness of the pubic hair that i've noticed there are no i think as this is supposed to take place in sort of a fantasy world of the past no circumcision so it's you're hanging windsock on every penis available can you can you like is that like another are there sliders for customizing the foreskin to be like there are no i wish a little bit more junk on that okay there's not there's not they haven't gotten that in depth yet i'm hoping for a patch at some point or maybe a mod that does let you get maybe a little more involved in the foreskin dynamic. Full on wizard sleeve. Yeah, yeah. I got it.
Starting point is 00:07:47 Yeah, yeah. Full on hanging down wizard sleeve. I'd like piercing options. That's a mage wizard sleeve. Wizard sleeve right there. Is that mage is short for major? Is that correct? Major, yeah. Mage, mage, yeah. I got that right.
Starting point is 00:08:03 This shit is mage. Major chips. R.I.P. to major chips, dude. Rge major chips RIP to major chips RIP to major fries I'm hoping for some sort of vascular content as far as the foreskin goes if you want to make it vanier or less vanier but again that's Baldur's Gate 4 does have to come out at some point Baldur's Gate 4
Starting point is 00:08:19 skin thank you love that DLC so Baldur's Gate I'm hearing a lot about i'm hearing a lot about this ball you're talking more and more about this ball video game what you guys hear about this it combines like what's great about dungeons and dragons with like are you fighting what what how is the game? What is the gameplay like? Pretty fucking immersive. The storytelling is, is the immersive storytelling of our,
Starting point is 00:08:49 uh, M and M pumpkin launch was our goal. Everything is fucking storytelling now that it feels corny to talk about something that's actually telling a story. Actually storytelling. Yeah. It actually is. Our menu tells a story of heirloom tomatoes.
Starting point is 00:09:04 It's actually, welcome to Panera. Welcome to to panera bread today's stoop story soup stories are as well it's just it's like fun it's corny i mean it's it is like a corny like dungeons and dragons video game but it's just fun i'm playing like a fighter you're you've got like a brain maggot that is that gives you super psychic powers that you have to either remove. Like RFK Jr.? Like RFK Jr. It's fucking ripped from the headline. You really do have a brain worm.
Starting point is 00:09:30 You literally, Baldur's Gate 3 is about having brain worms. It's about this presidential election. The good kind of brain worms and also a speech impediment that we're not allowed to make fun of. Right. Robert, RFK Jr.
Starting point is 00:09:42 I feel like that's the one we should, anytime it's a kennedy like shouldn't we come on especially like a male hey i kept i kept my powder dry for susan collins too you know what i mean just as much as i wanted to yeah kept it dry kept it dry for that one yeah well that was brave of you miles we're coming back to her 10 years later we're gonna do a susan collins retro oh yeah dunk dunk contest bro vince carter shit on her we're just trying to negotiate it so she somehow has beef with kendrick lamar and we're gonna let him handle the entire sanction yeah yeah that's right
Starting point is 00:10:14 i every time maybe this is just being a white dude approaching 40 but every time i even reference kendrick lamar i do feel like a white dude approaching for it i know people i know white women who have gotten into the beef because they're like i can't believe what like is kendrick lamar about to like blow the lid open on the entire industry i'm like hold on easy like yeah this is i don't know about all that just like i just think he's so brave if he's standing up for the children and i was like are we about to go to QAnon town? Yeah. That's not what it is.
Starting point is 00:10:47 It's like a dose of QAnon town. And I think these are already intersecting worlds anyway. There's also like a healthy amount of true crime podcasts in the Kendrick stuff where it's like, it's like serial Kendrick Lamar where like he has, like he's done research. They've got evidence. He's breaking news.
Starting point is 00:11:04 You know, like in the third song, it's like, oh, now we have receipts we have lectures of ozempic like all that it works the same way a true crime podcast works that was the kendrick rollout but uh right right right yeah anyway i'm playing this role-playing game and it's just it's just but i'm also i'm also so worried that i'm doing it right the entire time because it is such an investment of time like you play these games they take like you know 100 hours or whatever to like complete so i'm like making sure i'm doing the right thing because i don't want to be 90 hours deep and it's like oh you
Starting point is 00:11:34 forgot to fucking pick up you know you forgot to like throw this pumpkin at this wall two hours in and now you're gonna lose to the boss like whatever it is. I should have maxed out dexterity. Is it multiplayer? Is it open world? What are we talking? You can multiplayer this one. I am someone who I've never liked. I played this game called Ultima Online
Starting point is 00:11:58 when I was a tween and a teenager. I was heavy into it, which was an MMORPG. Ever since then, I have stayed away from online games because nothing scratches that same itch. Nothing is ever quite as satisfying. It's a slippery slope. Yeah. First time in there.
Starting point is 00:12:16 I lost myself to it. All right. Amazing. I think that's our first Baldur's Gate 3 search history, even though it's incredibly popular. I think we've had Elden Ring search histories. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think that's our first Baldur's Gate 3 search history, even though it's incredibly popular. I think we've had Elden Ring search histories. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think that's a lot more. I went through it and everything.
Starting point is 00:12:30 I haven't looked up one constructive thing. It's all like BG3, Best Weapon, BG3, How Do I Beat the Trollmaster, BG3, just like every single one of those things. And then like way down there, it's like mortgage, how to pay. What is a mortgage exactly how how many months can you not pay mortgage yeah yeah whole roof hole bad question mark question mark question mark second mortgage good right first mortgage good second mortgage why not reverse mortgage asap just like stuff like that yeah i've got my back, right? RFK, how to vote multiple times.
Starting point is 00:13:08 How to use HELOC to buy Fortnite skins. What is something that you think is underrated? Dating without intention, which is something I've been doing quite a lot. And it's just, it takes a lot of the pressure off of dating I'm not out here trying to find anything in particular I'm not going in with much in the way of expectations and part of that is because the bar for male behavior is low but you know I go in with the expectation that I'll be like treated well and stuff, but it's bleak out there. Let me tell you, dating is maybe bleaker than ever, but I'm just like, you know what? I don't really. I'm just like you know what I don't really has that helped I mean like are you saying so the intent being I don't need to I don't have to go into this saying like every day I go on is to
Starting point is 00:14:11 potentially find the person who I can have like a meaningful long-term relationship you're sort of switching gears so like I'm meeting people I don't really expect shit and if I meet somebody that's cool that's a bonus exactly yes so not that i'm like very like oriented toward uh finding like a long-term monogamous relationship like that isn't super my thing anyway but i'm like oh maybe one day i'd like to have some kind of companionship but now you ever find mr right well mr right i'm afraid doesn't exist so i'm just like you're truly shrek brains you're not waiting for prince charming you're waiting for shrek i'm waiting for shrek and that that is an expectation but um i don't know yeah i'm just sort of like yeah i'm gonna just have a night yeah where i'm not sitting at home by myself and i'm you know meeting a new person and it'll probably go anywhere from mediocre to badly but it's a way to pass the time so that's how i like
Starting point is 00:15:20 dating for entertainment purposes yeah pretty much right right right what's a non-shitty date look quickly not to say stellar but just not shit i mean someone who can carry a conversation and who i don't end up arguing with because the past few dates i've been on i have like gotten in the fight with them and like your letterbox real quick right a date i went on recently he was like carrying on about how it's pointless to protest and he was specifically talking about like pro-palestine protests and i was like what the fuck are you talking about and he was like annoyed at the like effects of protesting he's like oh people are trying to get places and they're blocking stuff off and i'm like yeah that's the point yeah it's to disrupt such like
Starting point is 00:16:12 the status quo and get people to notice and pay attention and do something about it something is happening he's just like it's just annoying and i was like okay well i have to leave now i hate you and i never want to see you again c. Caitlin is currently like five seconds from punching this person in the nose. Just based on the, yeah. Yeah. It got very heated. So,
Starting point is 00:16:33 yeah, I mean, I get it. Yeah. And it's fucking wild. Like, especially when you're looking for someone to potentially like relate to that. They're so far off with something where they're like,
Starting point is 00:16:42 honestly, like people being up in arms over a genocidal campaign happening some places not even here like it's annoying and if you're like oh that's your fucking worldview then we have nowhere to fucking really i was like there's no world in which we would ever have anything to talk about or get along about anything and so i who do you have empathy for um those people who are trying to get places dude people sitting in traffic like traffic sucks and while i get to like yeah you see things where people like i'm legitimately having to go i'm gonna lose my like i get that there are all sorts of extenuating
Starting point is 00:17:19 circumstances that make that disruptive but yeah to to say things like and because it's annoying don't fucking do it right and because it's annoying don't fucking do it right and yeah he's like what about the people at starbucks who like have to get to work i'm like well that's a problem with capitalism not a problem with the protesters like yeah yeah do you not see any capital world what are you like what are these antifas what is something you think is overrated sorry sorry to start screaming on the podcast no no get it out i like like i'm someone as someone who's so ignorant of what the modern dating world is like and i mean i have single friends who everyone says the same fucking thing i'm like
Starting point is 00:17:58 what i mean back here i don't i don't know what the difference is like and that's like the hard thing to wrap my head around is like is is it that it's too many options? Because for me, I was like, I'm in a sea of loneliness. I'm just looking for some driftwood also out there. And we can hold on to each other till the rescue boats come. And that's how you made a relationship work. Too many options. I think it's more just the quality of the options that are available is kind of at an all time low.
Starting point is 00:18:23 You're too high value. Right. Yeah, I get it. No, there's a lot of that's a yeah i feel like i've seen a unofficial trend online of people being like it's really hard for guys on these dating apps like i just helped my roommate with like his dating profile and he didn't get any bites and he's good looking and like he's awesome so what's going on and people have standards yeah someone had a theory though that because of like the frequency of new dates you can get to that like the again this is someone's take on twitter that i'm not entirely sure is accurate or not but that it's different than like when pre-app dating like you'd meet
Starting point is 00:19:04 someone and just, you'd try to make it work because you're like, I don't know, let's see, let me try to make it work. And then from there you either adapt to someone or don't and move on. But now like, it just feels like it's easier to just be like,
Starting point is 00:19:17 ah, I'm not feeling it time to move on. And I don't know that that feels like a little bit fatalistic, but that, that's something I now do like immediately in the middle of the first date. I'm like, if I sense that. Right. But I get it.
Starting point is 00:19:31 And you should for something like that. That's disqualifying for sure. Yeah. Do you always tell them you're leaving or do you ever just like. Yes. One time I did consider just walking out the side door and running away. But I didn't. I was like, I just like sat back down. I was like, so I'm going to leave
Starting point is 00:19:48 now. I don't think we're connecting at all and I have to go. And he's like, oh, all right. Well, we can't all be for everybody. He took it surprisingly well. And I was like, so true, so true. See you never. So true.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Hope to never see you again. Are you mad that I insisted on this date being at La Pubelle I thought it's cool that this is where Danny
Starting point is 00:20:09 Masterson always used to hang out oh really yeah there's like a huge thing because the owner of La Pubelle
Starting point is 00:20:15 is also like a big Danny Masterson defender oh La Pube yeah La Pubelle yeah
Starting point is 00:20:20 wait that's that French restaurant near UCB yeah yeah on Franklin. Never go there again. I've only been like once or twice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:31 But never again. Master Singh, you going to the Poob later? What are we talking, man? LPs, dude? Later? Alright. What's something you think is overrated? The primary. Well, that was kind of in there. It was overrated primary. The primary is overrated. Alright. Red, yellow, blue. especially like for little kids and stuff i feel like
Starting point is 00:20:48 they're like you guys are too stupid to understand secondary colors here's a bunch of primary colors for you yeah yeah not for sure wait what's the rgb scale like for projecting video and things like that's why i was that's why i was saying maybe they're teaching your kids to make television because it's different with light right right right yeah because like in my weird la brain i was about to be like red green and blue because i was always used to seeing those three lamps like on a projection tv or some shit or a projector back in like the 80s and shit but anyway let's move on now i know what it is and i can keep my child from being ignorant about primary there you go breaking the cycle breaking the cycle you know
Starting point is 00:21:30 hanging out at the school being like taught you've got an airpod in where we're like telling you about the colors going to the playground like y'all heard about green yeah they're like i think that man's trying to sell the kids cannabis over there you don't know about that green green hits different green hits way different nowadays you feel me all right let's take a quick break and we'll come back and do some overrated underage i'm jess casaveto executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.
Starting point is 00:22:15 And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling first-hand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more
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Starting point is 00:24:02 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really hear them voice. I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture.
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Starting point is 00:25:18 Hallie, Carlisle, Carlisle or Carly, what do you prefer? Well, on sea change, I'm Carlisle. But my friends call me Carly. So please, Carly's great. Are we familiar enough? Oh, we're on Carly terms. All right, Carly. We're all familiar.
Starting point is 00:25:36 I like that you broke it into New Orleans terminology. Amazing. So your show is based out of New Orleans. And I've heard you guys mentioned that like living on a coast and particularly the coast of Louisiana is kind of the front lines of global heating. And so I just wanted to hear us talk about kind of what you see there that we might not be seeing elsewhere right now but might be a preview of like where we're headed oh it's such a great question i mean when i was thinking about this what really stuck out in my mind i was here 2021 hurricane ida came through and that was a storm that strengthened really fast rapidly intensifiedified, as we say. And then after it blew through, it wasn't really like a rainstorm. It was more of like a windstorm.
Starting point is 00:26:31 It caused a ton of damage, especially closer to the coast. People, I think, were out of power near the coast for over three months for some people that were really far down there. Yeah, it was crazy. But then not only that, we got hit by a hurricane. there yeah it was crazy but then not only that we got hit by a hurricane but then immediately after that hurricane goes through we then get hit by a giant heat wave and so people don't have power it's we i didn't have power for a week and i couldn't sleep because there was just this extreme heat going on and so for me that's like the picture of what climate change means and what we're facing it's one hazard after the other know, having to deal with all of these different problems all at once.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, that's just to just to keep like the cheerfulness of what's coming for us all going. But the other thing is a worst case scenario. We'll go. We'll call it a worst case. Yeah. scenario. We'll call it a worst case. I mean, seas are rising across the South and across the Gulf faster than almost anywhere else in the world. So already so many people are having to move from where their families are from, where they live in South Louisiana. And like across the Southeast Coast, you're starting to see that too, with like more sunny day flooding and just like the seas are rising. And it means houses on the outer banks in North Carolina are falling into the ocean. And it means that people who have lived for generations
Starting point is 00:27:56 in Southern Louisiana are having to think or already having to move. And it's pretty intense. And that is like, that is around the world seas are rising so it is definitely something that's going to change like what our coastlines look like and where people can live i think pretty like faster than we're planning for for sure right yeah right it's one of those things that is already happening but we it feels like the mainstream kind of consciousness like that's kind of what we chart on our show and it feels like people have a fairly easy time blocking out when it's happening to other people as long as it's not happening to them or possibly like to their neighbor then they're going to such a shame what's happening there yeah like that's
Starting point is 00:28:45 a level of earth and i yeah i mean i'm really i mean i think about just the what the noaa was saying about this season's hurricane season and how they're like this could be one of the worst ones we've seen in a long time in terms of like some like potentially 28 named storm systems in this season. And that's a huge uptick. And the other part that was really to your point about these sort of like compounding natural disaster events is like FEMA and other disaster relief agencies can only handle so much that if you have like storm after storm, and then God forbid another thing over in this part,
Starting point is 00:29:24 supply chains get strained. And we truly are looking at a thing where like, there'll be like, there's, there's literally so much going on. We can actually not really do anything right now. We're spread so thin. And I think that's another real dimension of like, sort of like the bureaucratic part of it too, that you, I think people always presume they're like, no, they're, they'll be okay. They'll be ready for this this where even for the experts who deal with this are saying this like we're trying to figure out how we can even like simulate how we wrap our heads around multiple storms hitting multiple places with you know the kinds of devastation that require our assistance and yeah i it it is definitely uh we are going to begin really seeing it in a way that there's going to be even harder to deny
Starting point is 00:30:04 i mean i think people who live in these areas already see it, but yeah, we're, we're definitely the, the messages are there that we need to do something about it, which is why liquid natural gas kind of comes into it. And the whole impetus for this is to talk about the expansion of liquid natural gas, or I guess we shouldn't even that that's like euphemism that's like a euphemistic term i mean it's natural so i feel like we're good here like i yeah yeah natural right i i do like that worked on me like when they first were like well guys we're like moving over to natural gas and oh that shit is natural that's Yeah. And we see it on our buses in like Los Angeles. You're like, oh, all like either it's CNG or LNG.
Starting point is 00:30:49 And you're like, don't worry, this is cleaner now because it's operating on that. And you have these like subtle messages around you that reinforce the sort of like non-threatening nature of this, of natural gas. But yeah, what is it? What should we be? first of all, what should we be calling it? Just so we can use the right terminology when we sort of think about when we get all these stories hitting us, like what should we be calling liquid natural gas if we want to honor what it actually is? It's something Hallie and I talked about a lot as we were writing this series because everybody knows it as natural gas. So like us all of a sudden just using another term,
Starting point is 00:31:25 people will be like, what are you talking about? I'm already, first of all, you're already trying to tell me about liquefied natural gas. Now you're talking about some other term I've never heard about. So, I mean, we did call it natural gas in our series because that's what we all know it as.
Starting point is 00:31:38 Sure. But I mean, a lot of experts are saying we should be calling it methane gas or fracked gas because we get it from fracking. Fracking juice.acking yeah fracking juice but it's mostly it's mostly methane natural gas is mostly made up of methane which is like in the short term way worse for our climate than carbon dioxide so we've all been like talking about you know carbon emissions and this kind of thing which is like really a serious issue for we should be concerned about that but methane in the short term it's like i had a scientist described it to me as like carbon dioxide is like wrapping the world in a
Starting point is 00:32:15 blanket methane is like wrapping the world in 80 blankets like it's 80 times more potent at heating up our climate in the near term. That's not what I thought. So when it leaks, it's bad. You know? Right. I thought it was good. Like 80%. Like if you had told me, guys, it's only 80% is bad, I would have been like, damn, like they lied to us.
Starting point is 00:32:39 But 80 times worse is so wild. That's, I can't believe it. What are sort of the benefits that have, like, when you see a municipality be like, we're going to change our entire bus fleet to LNG or whatever. What, for them, when they're like, it's better, what's like the very tenuous data or argument they're holding on to, to be able to say that out loud in public and not get laughed at? they're holding on to to be able to say that out loud in public and not get laughed at yeah so like very simply methane does burn cleaner than like regular gas clean or something like that but that's only when it's burnt like when it's actually being burnt by those buses then it is cleaner but the whole life cycle you know having to get it up out of the ground all of the uh extra gas that goes out transporting it all of those different pieces.
Starting point is 00:33:26 Yeah, you add that all up and it's not, yeah, the leaks, it's not good. You know, we hear from climate scientists, like there's been a number of like reports where they're like, guys, it's going hotter, faster than we expected in some of our worst case projections. But I've not heard it connected
Starting point is 00:33:46 to liquid natural gas until your show. That's one of the theories as to how we're getting there, how it's getting so much hotter, so much faster. So that's just, I wanted to make sure that we made that connection too.
Starting point is 00:34:01 Right. And what kind of kicked off the LNG boom? Like is, was it like a greenwashing thing where the emphasis on oil created like a lane for like LNG to move in the shadows because everyone's so focused on oil? Or was there like a PR moment where proponents were like, okay,
Starting point is 00:34:20 we can claim that this gas is different. Let's do that. What, what sort of like, what were the, what were the building blocks to kind of get us to this point? Now we're like,
Starting point is 00:34:28 y'all, we are absolutely destroying our planet. Like one of the worst ways possible. And we're barely even talking about that dimension of it. I mean, what really kicked this off was like, do y'all remember the fracking boom? Like it was really took off like under Obama's time where like the technology for fracking got so good that all of a sudden these oil and gas companies like out in West Texas and New Mexico and like the areas where there has been a ton of fracking, like they got so good at it that there was a surplus of all this natural gas. And they're like, okay, we can only sell so much of it domestically. Where are we going to sell all this stuff? And we went at that time, like there were the first,
Starting point is 00:35:12 correct me if I'm wrong on this, Hallie, but I think the first LNG terminal on the Gulf Coast was for bringing it, was for importing LNG. Because at that point, we didn't have that much. And then it goes you know in a few years it went from that import terminal becoming an export terminal and then all these plans for all of these this rollout of the of like this huge expansion of lng export terminals because we just have that much natural gas that you know the industry's like well let's sell it let's liquefy it ship it everywhere else and sell it overseas. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:48 And we know that natural gas. Well, I was about to say, we know natural gas is cleaner than coal. But, you know, again, that's like a big question mark. Not necessarily. But that was at least the argument that was grasped by the PR agencies, by the oil and gas industries that they promoted that gas is cleaner. Gas is the cleanest fossil fuel. And so when you make people think that, they're like, oh, aren't we already doing the cleanest that we can do, you know? new jobs, increased revenues for the community. The opposite is happening. Is that correct? I mean, it sounds like locals are not benefiting and the environment is absolutely taking an absolute kick in the teeth because of it. But I don't know, maybe these people that live in these areas are shareholders
Starting point is 00:36:39 because those people seem to be getting value. So maybe a lot of the shareholders for these companies live along in the Gulf Coast. Or this is all just PR spin. That's a really good question. I think like they're for sure supporters on the ground in these communities because there are some jobs. The whole like, you know, how many jobs are construction jobs. So around just during the construction and then how many are permanent and how many jobs are actually in, are the people in the,
Starting point is 00:37:09 in the community getting those jobs? Like all of that, it gets a little more nebulous of like how many jobs are really, how many good jobs are really, you know, is, is, are these new export terminals providing,
Starting point is 00:37:20 but like on the other side of it, for sure, the, the impacts of the environment are crazy. I mean, the amount of pollution that these communities are having to live with are pretty extreme. So like, yes, there are some benefits, but do they outweigh the other? Do they outweigh earth death? Yeah. And then a lot of these companies are getting massive tax breaks as well. So how much money is coming to these communities? So there are a lot of questions like that. But the shareholders, right, they are winning?
Starting point is 00:37:49 The shareholders are winning? Shareholders are doing gangbusters. Okay, great, great, great. Oh, thank God. Okay, I was worried. I told you, Jack. They seem to stay winning, it turns out. Yeah, shareholders, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:59 Yeah. And yeah, there was a recent, I forget which episode it was, but just talking about how as long as it remains business as usual, they bridge fuel to like a cleaner tomorrow. And then it becomes ensconced. And like, you know, the second that something is making money, it becomes more powerful. And it brings me back to this. Like, I remember an article in The Wall Street Journal that was talking about how DEI and like environmental justice initiatives like were like they were like, you know, these once had momentum, but now they're a bad word on Wall Street because they've been, like, determined to
Starting point is 00:38:52 be less profitable. And it just, it feels like the way the system is set up, like, you really can't use the logic, the internal mechanisms of hypercapitalism to fix this. It feels like it has to take into account that they're going to find a way to keep things the way they're going for as long as possible. They're going to go down kicking and screaming. But I don't know. Does that seem true to you? Do you like, you guys do a good job of highlighting things that make you hopeful. Are there examples that kind of contradict that of where people, you know, where BP is like investing in clean energy in the future or something, you know, like what, just how,
Starting point is 00:39:43 how do you guys think about that? Oof, big question jack i know like the role yeah just like specifically the ability of like entrenched power to ever be like part of the solution i feel like and carly i'm so curious about what you think here too like you know i don't i'm not sure if you guys are familiar or if your listeners are familiar with the ipcc report it's an a giant international report that's basically a collection of all of the latest and greatest climate science that's summarized by you know all the big climate scientists out there working together on it and when you look at those projections they always have this one option that's business as usual and And so that's like, we kept doing the same thing that we're still doing, still rule our society the same way. If you look at those projections, obviously, this is audio, so I have to explain my hand gesture here. The graph, the temperature graph just keeps going up.
Starting point is 00:40:40 It's just an exponential graph to the top where our planet just kind of burns up. And I think that that says that we should not continue business as usual. We need to find other ways to do our business. Okay. So you're anti-planet burning up. Okay. Interesting. That's your opinion. Carly, counterpoint? Yeah, not going to come in with a counterpoint to that. Okay, all right, fair, fair. But I am going to bring in the hope that I think you were looking for, Jack, which is like renewables are also doing gangbusters. And like we, the solar installations and wind capacity that we're adding every year is like we're doing better than expected. And so like renewables
Starting point is 00:41:25 are taking off. They're getting, everybody knows they're also getting cheaper. They're becoming the cheaper option. And so yes, entrenched power and entrenched industry is really hard to like dislodge from their place of power. Of course they want to keep doing business as usual, but when the market keeps saying, yeah, but this is so much cheaper and better for the planet, then there's only so long you can fight that. So, I mean, that's really hopeful. It's just how much renewable energy is taking off around the world. Just to bash capitalism a little bit more, though. We will not have that on this podcast.
Starting point is 00:42:01 And then right after that, Carly with a counterpoint. have that on this podcast and then and then right after that carly with a counterpoint last year i was talking to this like retired like long-time environmental lawyer and he i don't know if you guys have heard of the rights of nature movement it's basically this like push by different indigenous groups to be able to steward um these different pieces of nature and give them their own rights almost as a person like a river could be have the same protective rights as a person and that's actually moving forward in south american countries that's moving forward it's actually been ingrained in a latin american country's uh constitution and it's moving forward in places like europe areas that are more socialist that moves forward and when i was asking him, is there any hope? Can we get that done here in the U.S.? He's like,
Starting point is 00:42:46 I mean, we could, but capitalism. It's like, how many guillotines you got? Counterpoint, that's ridiculous. The only thing that should have the rights of people is corporations. Capitalism, you burnt. Yeah, took the words right out of Carly's mouth
Starting point is 00:43:04 on that one yeah sorry i could tell yeah no i mean there there was successful legislation in where was it it was in a u.s state i want to say minnesota maybe but where where like a group of kids basically in keep it. I don't know enough to finish the sentence. Minnesota Timberwolves or something. I was thinking of the Minnesota Timberwolves who had a good run in the NBA playoffs. I'm sorry. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:37 You mean the kids lawsuit? The kids lawsuit. Yes. That's the one I was thinking of. Yeah. Suing companies for our future. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. A question. Oh, yeah. Let I was thinking of. Yeah. Suing companies for our future. Yeah. Yes.
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Starting point is 00:47:08 And we're back. Mm-hmm. And time to discuss one of my favorite Ridge Farms, Pep Ridge Farm, makers of Goldfish, who recently unveiled a new flavor, Spicy Dill Pickle, which isn't the first time that they've released a different flavor,
Starting point is 00:47:29 but it does seem... They got Old Bay. They got Old Bay. They got Flavor Blasted Goldfish. Flavor Blasted Goldfish are fucking incredible. I got to say. I don't know. It's too much.
Starting point is 00:47:39 It's a hat on top of a hat for me. It's a hat on top of a hat for me. No! Those are the ones that have a powder on them, right? right yeah they have like dorito dust i don't want that oh that's why i like the originals to begin with they were clean they weren't a finger altering substance yeah yeah no the originals are probably the best but of the additional varieties i do think flavor blasted original you know like you blast it with the original flavor. You double down on what was working in the first place.
Starting point is 00:48:08 That is what I'm talking about. None of this fucking Parmesan stuff. Yes. That's gross. That's gross. I better stop here before I start saying stuff about Italian people that I'm going to regret. Jesus. Let's just say Parmesan in a weird way there that uh sounded
Starting point is 00:48:27 more hateful than it should wow okay wow okay parmesan spit on the ground what the fuck i only like the craft shit in the green can the fake stuff yeah give me that american cheese that you don't that you don't actually put american cheese on my pasta uh when i'm at an italian restaurant you bring individual slices i would like cheese not that shit though uh i have my own wait what'd you call him ombre will you please take this plastic sleeve i don't need it anymore singles Crap singles. That's gross. That's how we had lasagna, I remember, at my school cafeteria. It was all American cheese.
Starting point is 00:49:10 Yuck. Ew, that's so gross. American cheese is objectively the worst of all the cheeses. The fact that we're alive is incredible. It's expensive. Having eaten what we ate growing up, it's unbelievable that we're also alive. Do you know how expensive American cheese is, though? It is. The price does not make it's like 4.99 for like a 30 pack but each pack is individual each piece is individually wrapped so it doesn't it doesn't go bad like there was like yeah like
Starting point is 00:49:34 one of those little half stacks was like on par with buying like legit just cheddar cheese and i was like what what the fuck are they trying to do? Like, why are you charging this much for just water and oil? Yeah. In the shape of a cheese. Because water and oil has to be made in a machine. It has to be drilled out of the earth, Miles. It's made with crude petroleum oil. That would be what American cheese is.
Starting point is 00:50:01 The melting point doesn't make sense from a physics perspective american cheese is made with jet fuel crude oil and bullets that's right but anyways goldfish taking a big swing with the spicy dill pickle there is a like market research firm somewhere that has been like guys pickles the wave of the future because like the city of la is covered in billboards for like pickle companies and like pickles that are coming out and now goldfish is like getting in on the pickle craze that wasn't congratulations to them yeah about eight years ago there were like people around who were like, dude, I'm starting to make pickles. And I'm like, okay.
Starting point is 00:50:47 Sure, man. Thanks. Whatever. Try some. I make pickles whenever I buy a jar of pickles. I eat the pickles. There's a lot of pickle juice left over. And then I buy a cucumber and I put it up and put it in the pickle juice.
Starting point is 00:51:04 Let it sit. Let it it you know fester for a bit and now I've got another jar of pickles yeah and they're all yummy and gooey
Starting point is 00:51:10 that is in the cookbook fester a little loud too fester for three to four weeks so they get that nice that nice just
Starting point is 00:51:19 you can they're so soft you can gum them I legitimately do that that is the most sustainable shit I've ever heard of. Because it feels wasteful to dump out all that pickle juice.
Starting point is 00:51:28 That's a lot of pickle juice. Or use it as brining liquid. Yeah. What are we brining, exactly? Like chicken thighs, whatever. And really brine that shit in pickle juice. Because that's what they say about the rumor was like a Chick-fil-A or whatever. That you're going to go brine or whatever.
Starting point is 00:51:45 But I think in general, it's a good salted brining liquid. It was that, or I would just buy a bottle of whiskey and just do a bunch of picklebacks. Oh, yeah. Well, that too. Oh, okay. Wait. Wait.
Starting point is 00:51:59 You say it, Miles. You're in recovery and you never were drinking picklebacks? No. What are you, classy? I used to drink tequila with Tabasco sauce. That was my like, I don't like this, but I can't stop drinking. Tecasco? Tabila?
Starting point is 00:52:12 Yeah, Tecasco. Tabisca? Wow. No, it's whiskey. You take a shot of whiskey and then you chase it with pickle juice. With pickle juice. Goddamn. I mean, that's advanced drinking.
Starting point is 00:52:24 I was hooked because the way it neutralized that alcohol flavor in your mouth and gave you a little bit of that briny, like, ah. I thought it was a health food for a while. Yeah. I was like, it's vegetable water. Yeah, this is basically what they used to drink. And lethal amounts of salt I'm drinking, but okay. amounts of salt i'm drinking but okay hey you know vinegar which i'm sure is the main ingredient in pickle juice yeah it's it helps with your digestion it's good for you yeah so there so there yeah i just dumped my leftover pickle juice in my gas tank and jesus does not go well
Starting point is 00:53:00 is that what that smell is yeah it's not's not really bad. All right. So, you know, some theories have it the Pepperidge Farm is looking to distract from the fact that they recently got sued for allegedly misleading customers with claims that goldfish crackers contain no artificial flavors or preservatives. It's wild because that phrase, artificial flavors, was invented to be so broad as to resist definition at all. They were like, yeah, the food industry is going to create this as a thing. Nobody knows what an artificial flavor is, but we can pretend like the food is somehow more
Starting point is 00:53:46 pure than other foods by just claiming this and they even got caught using that like why am i i mean this could by no definition are these not artificial flavors i am so fucking stupid that you saying that just fucked up my entire worldview. Yeah, it's great. I'm legit out here being like, oh, no artificial flavors. Yeah. Except for industry is straight up some fucking wacky combo that doesn't exist in nature and would have to certainly be artificial. I'm like, but they said no artificial flavors. But they said.
Starting point is 00:54:23 Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Which brings us to our random aside. Apparently, the origin of goldfish crackers, they were originally created by a with a machine built by a World War Two Nazi codebreaker who was instrumental in hitler that the allies were set to land in kalai kalai yeah kalai not normandy wow so we have goldfin and that so retired from being a nazi
Starting point is 00:54:59 after world war ii and like somebody was traveling around and was like, this guy makes cool fish shape hand cranked crackers. And they like sold it to Pepperidge Farm. And that's how we have the goldfish cracker today. But that person basically was so bad at their job as a code breaker that they allowed the Allies to win the war. Wait, he... No, no, no. He's a Nazi code... He was breaking Nazi code. He was breaking Nazi...
Starting point is 00:55:33 Well, that was my question. Was he a Nazi... No, no, no. He was breaking Nazi code. A codebreaker who was... He's a good guy? Jack, if... In one go, I can't learn that artificial flavors is bullshit. And I'm eating Nazi goldfish crackers, man. Like that would have been such a blow to my entire identity.
Starting point is 00:55:53 Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So he on purpose wrong, like convinced Hitler the wrong thing. So he was like working undercover. Good for him. Yeah. I'm back on board.
Starting point is 00:56:07 I gotta go fish so many bags of goldfish crackers out of my garbage. Not even this fucking Third Reich bullshit. Okay. So anyways though, ties into D-Day. Yeah. You know? Shout out to that. I also just think it's funny that like, that into D-Day. Yeah. You know, shout out to that.
Starting point is 00:56:25 I also just think it's funny that like that was like an invention. Goldfish shaped crackers. They were like, you hear about this guy over in Germany? Right. Crackers are shaped like little fucking goldfish. And like they had to hire him to like it feels like it should be easy. Well, it makes you wonder about like who invented the dinosaur shaped chicken nuggets. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:48 Oh. And what's the story there? I don't want. That's probably. It'll break you. Yeah. Unless you can't handle it. It was Oppenheimer.
Starting point is 00:56:59 I'm like, no. Oh, God. Not the fucking. I mean, I just want to resist saying that this is the bomb, but it's damn close. It's damn close. Yeah, who invented dino nuggets? Because those are, that's also, I feel like we do need to know the history of the dino nugget. They're, I haven't had them, you know, since I was a kid, but they're delicious.
Starting point is 00:57:23 Yeah. Probably. And probably terrible for you, but that's delicious. Yeah. Probably. And probably terrible for you, but that's fine. And that's fine. And that's fine. But I drink Shrek's piss, so who am I? I'm washing it down with a 40 of Shrek piss, okay? That's the least of my worries.
Starting point is 00:57:39 Oh, shit. Amazing. Should we do one more? Yeah. We got a couple kind of meaty ones all right uh did you guys read the 3m story the no i remember it was getting teased out last week or the week yeah 3m's got a forever chemicals problem it's bad man it is so i so i finally read the 3m story we'll link off to it in the footnotes it's's a collabo between ProPublica and The New Yorker. I've always resented 3M a little bit for being the company that actually invented Post-it notes and not Romy and Michelle.
Starting point is 00:58:16 You know? Yeah. But the business press, like, also trained me to, like, the business press, like, has a crush on 3M. They love to tell the story of how they came up with the Post-it note. They came up with this glue that was too weak to be effective for anything, but then they put it on the Post-it and realized it could be... like gladwell light writers who like love to tell the story of how 3m is this little place for like ingenious little tinkerers and you know so they started with i think their first invention was like masking tape but then they like now they make a bunch of the different kinds of bandages and sponges and all sorts of shit scotch guard the thing that like makes various papers and packages waterproof and that's the one that got us in trouble because so one of their scientists in the late 90s was given a weird assignment very foreboding where they're like hey could you like
Starting point is 00:59:19 take this broad cross section of red cross blood donations and start looking for our chemicals in these blood donations. And she was like, Oh, okay. And she found, she found these PFOs, the things that are in Scotchgard in every single sample,
Starting point is 00:59:39 every single one. Oh my God. And so they, they were like, well, this must be a mistake because because they were like okay well here uh take this blood sample she was like yeah it's in there too and they were like well that's my pet horse so you must be lying and then they realized oh no it's like getting into your pet
Starting point is 00:59:59 horse's bloodstream through like fish meal because like it's so pervasive in all water like it's in all the fish it's in everywhere it's fucking everywhere they realized like that all their readings were accurate when they finally like found a blood sample of like people who died before the invention of these chemicals these pfos and found, and that was the first sample that they tested that didn't have these PFOs in it. And it's gotten more and more over time because it accumulates. Our body has no way to get rid of it, and it just gets more and more. So at first, they were like, well, this is no problem, though, because even though the
Starting point is 01:00:44 chemicals are in our bloodstream, they're not that harmful, but they accumulate and get more and more. So we actually don't know what's going to happen. And now some people are speculating that it has it's like the cause of some types of cancer and it's the cause of lowering like sperm count and lowering reproductive rates around the globe. And it's just a, again, we'll link off to it. It's a must read. But it's really, you know, we present a lot of reasons on this show that unregulated hyper capitalism doesn't seem to work as the organizing principle for all of human civilization all of humanity but this is like maybe the biggest and scariest that i've ever encountered like we have these companies steering the ship who have nothing but short-term profit in mind and they will poison us all to death if the poison is slow enough that they can get enough of our money before we die. Like that's essentially what like so she discovered this in like the 90s and immediately started getting like frozen out by her like coworkers. She was asked to present the findings to the CEO of the head lead executives, like higher up executives started attacking her and being like, who told you to do this?
Starting point is 01:02:07 And like, what, what is your motivation for like doing this research that like tears down the amazing inventions that people at this company have done. And while they were doing that, the CEO fell asleep and started drooling on his dress shirt, like in that meeting. And then she got like reassigned away from that and then like this
Starting point is 01:02:26 article as this article uncovers like they had known about it for like 20 years before and like there there were various executives who were like this is really bad but they basically like laundered the findings through her because they knew it was going to be bad for whoever's career like was associated with it. Jesus Christ. It's this fucking bonkers thing, but it doesn't, it just feels like how every single corporation that you read about operates.
Starting point is 01:02:56 It's just they are hostile to whatever is going to prove counter profitable. If it's going to slow down profits, it's going to be wildly unpopular. Okay, first of all, sounds like we need a sequel to Erin Brockovich. Yes. Yeah, I mean, I think Dark Water
Starting point is 01:03:17 is somehow related to these chemicals. Dark Water is the all-male reboot of Erin Brockovich. I don't know if anyone saw that movie, but I did in theaters, brag. There you go. I forget what company. It's not 3M. It was a different company that Mark Ruffalo's character was learning that all this Teflon or something is in drinking water. DuPont.
Starting point is 01:03:41 Yeah, DuPont. Yes. Yeah. And a bunch of people were being poisoned by their drinking water in a certain region and so i guess we just need another movie to complete you know sadly yeah that's what it takes like did you see the movie about three months like that pro public article came out 17 years ago right you're like oh no yeah but the movie's great anya taylor joy is fantastic as the human manifestation of one of those pfos chemicals powerhouse performance
Starting point is 01:04:15 powerhouse performance it is wild like how like there's a part of me like i had been incepted with goodwill towards this company by like articles that were just yeah we're just like and this is how like ingenuity works and like yeah we're just like kind of the people behind the people and like once you read about them you start looking around and you see like oh 3m is like their labels on everything and for me that was like a fun discovery back back in you know 10 years ago it's like oh this here's a company out of like the humble you know state of minnesota who's secretly like doing all this good work and now it's like fucking terrified it's like the end of usual suspects where it's like 3m is everywhere and they don't give a fuck about your health at all.
Starting point is 01:05:08 And even some of the stuff, now that they've been sued, they have a $10 billion settlement that people are saying is just the tip of the iceberg, but they've made a big show about, we're evolving with the new scientific findings. That was before this report came out, proving that they like had,
Starting point is 01:05:28 had the findings before any of us. And like now, even now, like they're wording around like what they're actually agreeing to do. It's still like very hedgy and like, we're going to, we are going to get rid of these things as long as we can find a profitable replacement to you know which will also kill us right yeah yeah that literally one of the things
Starting point is 01:05:52 that they started replacing the pfos with was like pfas and like or pfbs and that scientist who is now you know a whistleblower and like the main source for this report was like and i knew at that time like those are also going to be bad and accumulating in people's bloodstreams so it's just a crazy story but uh shout out to propublica they do really great work yeah damn it was wild too because i remember they like a few years like right before the pandemic they were trying to get legislation through that 3m was fighting hard about designating these chemicals as fucked up. And they were successful at defeating that legislation. And now we're like, yeah, because it's so fucking bad.
Starting point is 01:06:39 Cool, cool. All right. Yeah. I mean, yeah. So need a new system. Anyway, that's what I'm saying. Just eat a handful of goldfish. Wash it down with some Shrek piss.
Starting point is 01:06:49 I might just have to get out there and help people with the misinformation. This is the only way we're going to get through it, folks. Yeah. Let's do it. Yeah. But yeah, drink your Shrek piss. Eat your goldfish. Drink your Shrek piss.
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