The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 325 (Best of 6/10/24-6/14/24)

Episode Date: June 16, 2024

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I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry.

Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app,

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If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of the weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one non-stop infotainment laugh-stravaganza. So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles!

I don't want to find my colors. You are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very funny media critic, a talented musician, just all around artist who, you know, from YouTube, where her work has been viewed millions of times and hailed by the New York Times. Please welcome. Thank you. Am I supposed to sing a song now? Yes, you got to. You're a musician. You are duty bound to sing a song about your name. I didn't prepare a song.

I didn't prepare a song. We'll allow it this once. I'm just. I'm just. Steps are what you take. Walking on the moon cat. There you go. I hope my legs don't break.

Yeah. See, I brought it all together right there. I'm just. I'm just not hearing in or how on it you guys are so early in the morning right now. It's 11.52 a.m. That's early in the morning for me. Yeah, yeah. We shouldn't be awake right now.

Frankly, quite frankly, Mooncat, we shouldn't be awake right now. And you're welcome. You haven't had lunch yet and you're on it on it that's true i have not had lunch yet usually like as soon as we're done recording i'm like i am inside out i'm so dumb about my food intake like i will let myself get angry hungry and then yeah and then just be like and then finally eat and it's like I was holding my breath. Like, that's how hungry I was. I'm like, ah, ah, ah, god damn. You know that point where your stomach's empty and your breath smells bad because your stomach's so empty?

My breath never smells bad. Well, shit, between drinking coffee and not eating. I've never tried the sniff test when I'm that hungry. I probably should. I think you're probably responsible enough to probably eat when it's time to and we're just like, I got just three more recordings and then I will have

220 pieces of bread or whatever the fuck I eat. But anyway, thank you so much for coming on. Moons, can I call you Moon, Cat,

Moon Cat, Cat? Yeah, people call me Moon, people call me Moon Cat. Yeah. Nobody calls you Moons, so I'm just going to cut that,

head that off no one's ever called me moons no that feels like my mouth keeps wanting to do that but that's a very america i think that's like an american thing like throwing the s on dude moons what's up yeah moons came through dude moons came through in the pod it was really fantastic yeah but yeah it's so great to have you here like i like i was saying before huge fans of your work so it was really great to have you on to talk about uh this topic because it's yeah we just felt like wait we like this video we love this creator let's have a conversation with them and everyone wins everyone wins because i'm sure many of our listeners are also big fans too

yeah this is definitely the guest that when i've told people everyone's like oh hell yeah really oh damn i know oh damn oh i'll finally listen oh my god wait on your podcast if mooncat will be on you swear yes swear down bro it'll be in the title and everything yeah swear down man we're gonna have mooncat all right yeah i've been burnt before yeah put it in the title that one time i know look gavin mcginnis he's a coward and he bailed on us we thought we were gonna have a great conversation with him about the we booked the wrong gavin mcginnis and we're sorry for all they know i could just be ai i could just be an ai version of myself. That's right. Truly, yeah. For all we know, yeah.

But you showed us your hands. You had five digits. They didn't look all AI and stuff. So yeah, you passed the test. The writing on your shirt is complete gibberish. Yeah, it is. What does it say? What's your hoodie say?

It says, sleepyheaduntilimedead. Oh, hell yeah. No, that's actually... I guess it's not too fresh. I love that. Because I am a very sleepy boy. It has a little kitten on it. It's probably this brand called Dogecore. The owner of that brand just emailed...

Yeah, the owner of the brand just emailed me one day and was like, I love your videos. Let me send you a load of free clothes. And I was like, okay, yeah. Have you seen my video on crypto yeah yeah yeah that's it's not affiliated with dogecoin okay okay i was gonna say but yeah you've you've helped uncover everything from fucking crypto influencers to

most recently evolutionary psychology and we wanted to have you on to talk about your manosphere video which is a favorite of ours and to really open my eyes to a world that i wish i had never learned about but uh i think is important for our job covering the zeitgeist it was it was very kind of enlightening as to what bullshit is happening yeah but just below the surface uh what is something jack wagner from your search history that is revealing about who you are oh my god this is the one i was not quite prepared for but um my search history in general is like insane because of this show. So like I'm just constantly. I mean, I could look at my search.

It might be boring today, but I'm constantly looking up stuff where I'm like, I'm for sure going to end up on some watch list. You know? Yeah. I feel like a lot of podcast hosts who have deep dive shows have some version of like, there's no way I'm not on a watch list based on the shit I look up just for my show. But a funny one the other day that like, um, in the middle of the interview,

something came up where like, we were talking about, uh, you know, those pictures on like Hallmark cards where it'll be like a black and white photo of two little kids usually dressed as adults, like wearing like 1940 suits. And it'll be like a little boy holding a flower

up to the girl or like kissing her on the cheek yeah like i don't know whatever those are called i was trying to figure out the name of the photographer and i was having a lot of trouble i think it's kim anderson by the way but like during the interview which was like video recorded too i kept doing this search and all of the searches i was doing were for sure going to end up like getting me on one of the watch lists because I was typing in like cute romantic children like photos black and white

kids photo children on a date like this guy's a freak yeah yeah so there's definitely like a page of shit like that and I was doing adult stuff yeah wait a second it sounds like a page of shit like that and i was doing adult stuff yeah wait a second it sounds like a guy it sounds like like somebody on their first day of being a pedophile yeah they don't know what to search yeah they like yeah like how kids used to when you were a kid and you would

search like naked women boob yeah right yeah whatever yeah i don't want to be greedy you know i don't want to come off like a weirdo just boob i like that the kid in that scenario is also like an old prospector like yeah but yeah i i'm looking for that's a pretty good one that is a really good one yeah i didn't even realize that there was like a sort of like ann getty's kind of yeah i didn't either yeah it was like an auteurist theory nice name drop on the the other photographer and get his babies great name drop it yep who's the one who did the weimaraners you know you know i'm talking about no what is that it's like it was oh william wegman if you look up there was like in the guy would dress up weimaraners in like human clothing and they were like oh the dogs i was like yeah yes oh my god i did not know what

word you're i know what you're talking about the yeah yeah yeah the dog breed i wonder if all of them i hate these photos yeah i know they're just like i'm sorry they're fucking they're just they're yeah they're angering i hope you googled that and that wasn't like a pull off the dome i'd be so impressed but well i knew i just knew i knew i i knew his name but i knew i always know it's the weimaraner photographer guy because it's i'm impressed that you know the breed weimaraner it's because you know what my dad's also a photographer and he would always talk cash shit about these pictures. He's like, what the fuck is he's like, you're just dressing up dogs. Either way, I wonder if these three link

up. Right. Right. And Geddes, William. There's like an Avengers of where they just fucking hate each other. Yeah, right. I'm thinking they hate each other. That would be a great like like and Geddes is so pissed because like he got the big Hallmark deal in

94. Right. like like do you believe they're making fucking porcelain figurines out of his dogs yeah the weimaraner seemed to be taken somewhat seriously is that am i like more seriously than the kids you know on the hallmark you know yeah yeah yeah it was like it was like a thing like serious people were like, oh, I have a William Wegman book. Sure. Sure. Of a fucking dog wearing a robe? Okay. And they all look down on Lisa Frank because she's like

a trapper super artist. Lisa's a goat. And an auteur. William Wegman, see, this is like, I think this is emblematic of the 90s in a way that gets lost. Like, this is what shit was actually like in the late 90s and early 2000s. Right.

Is that when this was going down? Yeah, this is like, I mean, it was big. Definitely like he was working through like from the 70s on, but I feel like in the 80s and 90s. For more than 40 years, artist William Wegman has been making portraits and videos of his own beloved Weimaraner dogs, which have appeared in countless publications and featured on Sesame Street

and Saturday Night Live. I think it was probably like late 90s, early aughts, but this type of shit, people know Y2K, but they don't know this type of shit. Yeah, exactly.

Because this is what people are actually into. Right. Why does it make you mad? Magic eye you mad is it because they appear to have human bodies their weimaraner heads on human bodies is it just the stupid simplicity of it vibes yeah yeah the vibes i don't know the vibes are atrocious they're just i mean like it's just like that was where the bar kind of was you know for it's like and then you know williams work sort of deals in what if weimaraners were the bourgeoisie you know what can what can we parse through like through the analysis of his work you know what

sure you know what like the next version of this is is like there was a period where on every like bad microbrewery there would be like a painting of like where on every like bad micro brewery, there would be like a painting of like a gorilla in like a military uniform or a suit or something. Do you know what I'm talking about? Or like a bear wearing a suit. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. And he had a mustache. Right. It's the same shit. Yeah. Evil, evil, great art,

evil, just taking a different form. Yeah. You know, what's that quote but what if the animals were doing like people stuff is the question so what this work of art presupposes is what if animals but people stuff like yes yes like really great yeah work of i was just about sorry i'm just step in your joke. I'm a little avant-garde. I like this painting

where these dogs are playing poker. Well, that's a classic. That is a classic. There's in fact a few I think. This should be just a show of you telling like differentiating between like pop art that is bullshit and pop art that is classic.

Lisa Frank, classic. I hope there's other world listeners tuning in being like, maybe he'll reveal between like pop art that is bullshit and pop art that is classic lisa frank classic i hope there's other world listeners tuning in being like maybe he'll reveal secrets and it's just they're meeting the real me for the first time and it's yeah a big disappointment it's all about dogs playing poker yeah okay i gotta close that tab um what is something claire that you think is overrated texting what do you mean texting as the primary form of communication i think it's overrated i think often things get lost in translation with punctuation and capitalization. I think people need to stop expecting me personally to text them back right away. I find texting so stressful.

You got to let it marinate. You got to let it marinate. You got to let it marinate. It's not natural to communicate with each other this quickly in this fashion. It's not natural. I feel like I wish they took like use like switched i message like aol instant messenger where you hear like like a door open you're like oh who signed on yeah oh shit it's my boy hey what's up what's up what's up oh hey you're on here

oh the door closed well ding dong yes later guess later i feel like that was because that was the beginning of sort of like hey why aren't you talking to me because back then it's like yeah because my ass is sat right in front of this fucking computer talking to you yeah yeah now with it in the hand i feel like we can't have that expert i'm terrible at responding right away most of the time me too and away message even just say i'll get back one of these hey i'm sorry but i'll get back too shortly when what is that four hours or four days yeah break yeah people do you have people coming at you for not responding quickly i'm guessing yeah for what like real stuff they're like please help me i need i need a ride now to the doctor i'm in big trouble i'm gonna actually turn my phone off. No, I, well, I'm just generally a bad texter, texter backer, unless it is important.

But if it's not important and it's just like, hey. What are you doing next Sunday? Next Sunday? Right. And, you know, I understand like the feelings of, you know, that sort of everyday rejection we go through when somebody doesn't answer right away and you're asking them out or asking them to do something. But I'm just like,

people are coming. Wait, so you're saying if we call you on the phone, then I'm going to respond? I'm picking up. Really? I'm picking up. Okay. Both of those things stress me out. But yeah, phone calls, I feel like, much less stressful than having a text that's just sitting there, you know, unresponded to. Well, then there's also like that stress like that you have, like when you see someone calling that you haven't talked to on the phone a long time.

You're like, oh, what the fuck is going on? I'm like, we're normally texting. Why are you calling now? What the fuck? Yeah, because that means death. Yeah, something like that. It's like, oh my God, hello, did you calling now? What the fuck is going on? Yeah, because that means death. Yeah, something like that. It's like, oh my God, hello, did you die? Oh my God, are you dead?

Are you dying right now? Yeah. Oh, you have my Deadwood DVD still. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, just bring them over. You can leave them out by the door. I'll be all right.

Thanks. Oh, thank fucking God. Yeah. And you were saying, thank fucking God, because you really wanted those dead wood DVDs back. Don't know how to watch it on streaming. You don't care about their health. You're just...

No, no, no, no, no. It's all about the wood. Yeah. When there's like a group chat and like everybody's just like, bing, bang, boom. Like there's just like texts flying back and forth. I will frequently get too stressed out to respond.

Oh, I've seen that happen where I feel like we'll text about a game with Jabari and Jabari and I start going off on something and slowly I'm like, how come Jack can't respond? These are fire fucking texts right now. Not even a tap back on anything.

And then it's like 70 minutes deeper like, sorry, that was a lot to catch up on. A lot to catch up on right there. No, I get it. I always keep my phone on me. Life comes at you fast. Life does. Yeah.

And it's not true that I don't keep my phone on me. I'm just sitting there trying to come up with something to text and just sweat pouring down. Just being like, oh, it's too late. There are already four more. That's where AI would really help you, Jack. Yeah. Find something witty to reply about this conversation

about Kendrick Lamar, please. Everyone's just AI bots texting with other AI bots. That's the dream, according to the founder of Bumble. AI bot dates another AI bot for you, and that's how you get to know each other. Oh, yeah, right. AI Bot dates another AI Bot and for you. And that's how you get to know each other.

Wow. Yeah, that's the, that's what they're promising with this AI stuff. It sounds too good to be true. What is, what's something you think is underrated? Underrated?

Shazam. The app that tells you what songs are playing. Okay. I use it recently. I use it daily. I, and I have such bad taste in music and I don't even know if it's bad taste.

I think I just don't have any, I don't know how to find music. And for instance, whenever I literally, I, I, people fast forward. I hear through,

um, Mark Maron's intros in WTF famously. I don't do that. I love them. But I, in this show, I hear they fast forward. You don't listen to the interviews, right? No, no. I don't even, I've never heard another voice on that podcast other than his.

Yeah. Except the Joel Edgerton interview. But he, but I fast forward to the end of this so I can hear Miles's music recommendations or Justin when Justin does them. Because truly, I do no bit actually, like I always add those songs because I just don't find music well. I used to do it when I was listening

like to music in my car, like on the radio or whatever and make like a note of it. So I guess it's been like 15 years. So where are you getting, where are you Shazamming things? You just like going by a car with its windows down?

That happened the other day. Really? Yeah, they were stuck at a stoplight. Hey, roll down your window. What is this? What is this? What is this? It was this guy.

It was this guy. It was a convertible. So, you know, the music was good. Oh, yeah. The other day, I have to be a little quiet. But like my neighbor. It was Kenneth Loggins. Talk shit about your neighbor.

Go on. Through the wall, I could hear him blasting music in my house. So I held my phone up to the wall, Shazam, and I Shazammed a song, his song, through the wall. And it was like a song by Portugal the Man. I'm like, I fucking love this song. And I just started listening to a ton of their music. And then I went to a concert. Oh, really?

You did? You went to see Portugal the Man? They're listeners of this show. Yeah, they're fans. Yeah, they are. Shout out to Portugal the Man. I bought a hat. I have a Portugal the Man hat.

I listen to them all the time. Yeah, yeah. Literally because... They're like the zeitgeist. Oh, amazing. As they should. As they should. Exactly.

I mean, I don't know why we're even mentioning that. I mean, we were talking about Vampire Weekend before that. I mean, I feel like vampire weekend before we started. We're obviously huge fans of this show. Portugal, the man should bring us on stage. I'd like these two guys real pieces of shit. Sometimes listen to their podcast. There's no reference to anything. Yeah, it's just look at these folks.

All right. All right. Get out of here. Pigs. Just a grand generation. What song was it? Do you know what song it was?. Just a grim generation. What song was it? Do you know what song it was? I wasn't paying attention. What were you playing?

Which Portugal the Man song was that? Did you shazam? Yeah, what got you started? Oh, it was Modern Jesus. That one I had heard of. That was like the big one. But it was called Modern Jesus. And then red, yellow, purple, blue.

Probably not the right colors uh waves all from that one album i was like really into it and then i saw them in philly uh whenever that was and they were great so yeah big fan look at us look all right the tech industry as off the rails as they have steered our entire civilization over the past 10 years. They have... Your horse. Don't get me caught up in that shit. They, and I am just reading this word for word from what Blake wrote in the doc.

No, no, no, no, no. As much as they have fucked us with this AI bullshit... That doesn't sound like me. They've bought themselves, like... I think I'm giving them at least another four years just because of Shazam. Yeah. Shazam and the bird Shazam that I can't stop talking about.

It's called Merlin? Merlin. Merlin. It's brought to you by, I think, Cornell University. Oh. The big red. Right? Yeah.

You lost them. Is that what they're called? The big red? I know all the Ivy League teams. The big red. Anyways, all the Ivy League teams. The Big Red. Anyways, it's a great app. Shazam's a great app. No, no.

You've got five more years, the tech industry, and then I'm coming. You need a new Shazam. Yeah. You need another thing that just solves a basic human problem. What about this? We can give custom names to your farts if you record them. It's another three months. Another three months. That'll buy you about a week.

I'm not going to lie. That will buy you a little bit of time. That's not bad. But like, they're really good. Ten days. Really great fart names. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and hear what you think is overrated, Blake. Okay. Does that sound all right?

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The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back and i mean where do you start where where to start with the manosphere where to start i will say my my first question about the manosphere was why videos so long all their videos seem to be at least three hours long. What the fuck? And that's the thing that like kept me. I wonder if it's a strategy like it kept me out. But like for the people who have the worm in their brain that is like desperate for more manosphere content, like it just it's a very selective group that makes it through. I guess not that selective looking at some of the view counts, but for people with such little rigor to what they're actually saying, they sure say it a lot. Yeah. And I had to watch a lot of those very long videos.

I've never been more impressed by the level of research and also more sorry for the person doing that right than watching your it's like yeah same when we have like people who like monitor the alt right on the show yeah like how do you know that because i i'm like i'm in all these chat groups man i'm in all these telegrams like oh you poor motherfucker i'm so sorry but thank you but thank you yeah i mean two times speed is a thing on YouTube, hopefully. It probably sounds horrible. But you really need to get the nuance, don't you, of what these guys are saying?

I feel like it's really, you know, it's all very tonal and subtle and nope. No, it turns out it's not. Yeah. The thing that struck me first is like when I think about the Manosphere, like I knew all these figures like, you know tate and jordan peterson and fresh and fit and like sneeko all these like weirdos who you know are part of this this whole culture but like i and i always knew that it was based on their misogynistic beliefs but the thing that really came out in the video for me was like how much quasi science pseudo science they use to sort of buttress their arguments, like in this way that it's not simply it's like, dude, like chicks don't even want to be with like a dude anymore.

Like they have like, no, there's this thing called hypergamy, man. And like, it's really interesting how they use these sort of academic inroads to then display, you know, to present their completely like regressive thinking like can you just sort of give just everyone an idea of like those main sort of pseudo-scientific arguments that are laid out to sort of justify this misogynistic worldview yeah well yeah a lot of it's rooted in evolutionary psychology which is why my most recent video decided to delve into that a bit more. But yeah, the main ones is like, is hypergamy where they sort of say that women are wired to want to date men that earn more than them.

And there's like no way that that could be programmed out of them. It's just innate. And feminism is just tricking them into thinking that they're not like that but really they are like that right yeah and um yes and they'll also talk about how rape culture is a myth and they'll use like cherry-picked studies to try and prove that as well right and also they'll say that um that even when it comes to domestic violence they'll say that women are more violent towards men than men are towards women and they'll use cherry pick studies to to supposedly prove that and they'll also they'll say things like the gender wage gap

is a myth as well and they'll cherry pick certain studies to try and prove that as well. So, yeah. It's always striking how these like sort of these backwards ways of thinking, they're always, they always find a way to be like, that thing that is reality is actually not true. And here's this way to kind of intellectually get yourself out of this way of thinking or believing that what is happening is actually not happening. And it's actually like a myth. that what is happening is actually not happening uh and it's actually like a myth and there's always this i'm always amazed at the just like the lack of well i'm sure we'll get to it just

like just how like it feels like a lot of these ideologies they prop up when the like sort of like the logic of their beliefs hit a dead end like like like being a man was supposed to be enough you know and I'm just, I just exist, but things aren't, I'm not, I'm not experiencing all these things I see on television or the things that I believed I am. So now, well, what does that mean? Oh, it's that everything else is fucked up. There's nothing I need to do to change. Let me now, like, let me stay sort of fixed in my belief and then begin to explain why everything else is not the issue or everything else is the issue rather than like how I'm interacting with the world. Yeah, it basically like when I before I investigated the manosphere, I investigated quite a few different like scams, like sort of property investment scams and multi-level marketing schemes and stuff like that

and i found that it definitely worked in much the same way as many scams in the way that it would sort of target people and it would reel in people who definitely felt a bit lost in life and just were looking for you know like something else to blame it on right and we're offering a way out of that via paying whoever this influencer was for a course or whatever. So yeah, the manners feel definitely real in men who sort of feel like they don't have a purpose in life. And I guess in the past, your purpose would have been more easily been like, oh, I'm a man, therefore my purpose is to provide for a woman and for children, whereas it's not that easy anymore just to have a purpose based on your gender. It's not that simple anymore. So I think a lot of men,

they do feel a bit lost in life and it's not because of their gender, it's probably because of capitalism, but they're looking to the past and they're thinking, well, in the past, in life and it it's not you know because of their gender it's probably because of like capitalism but they want to but they're looking to the past and they're thinking well in the past i would have had this purpose you know to be a man and i would have been given a wife you know by someone and that would have been me and that would have been my life but now i don't know what to do so it's everybody else's fault kind of thing right i preferred middle stage capitalism middle yeah exactly that's when things were great their their version of the past was also a wildly inaccurate version of what that time oh yeah they like to they they like to say that women were happy

in the 1950s they absolutely were happy they were all on drugs housewives were on drugs right yeah a lot of the time yeah we were just talking recently about like you know the stepford wives being a commentary on that era of like just being so medicated that it was completely like not like dulling the senses of like a generation of women but yeah but now like it's actually feminism that has created this unhappiness and now we're dealing with the fallout of that, dude. Yeah. Yeah.

They're all into their feminist shit, man. Facts. There's facts. The actual like details of the people that we meet in the video, like fresh and fit. I was not familiar. Is that the name of the show? The one where they just like get women drunk and then explain women to women. Yeah.

They don't let him talk back. And if they do try and talk back, they just kick them out of the podcast. Yeah. Supposedly beating them in the marketplace of ideas. Right. It's amazing. Like I've never seen someone like people be more infuriating to somebody else. Like the things that they're saying about women like the the most

dismissive diminishing things and then if in the off chance like one episode out of many like the women can't take it anymore and get angry then the men are like oh you're just sensitive while being the most thin-skinned creatures so emotional so emotional the men get so emotional over anyone just like talking back to them right it's it's so wild you pointed out how like obviously you know people say this so much especially in the u.s like are you just in your feelings just in your feelings now yeah and then when they get caught out it's like no i'm having a fact response i'm having an emotional response i'm having a fact-based response you're like oh man i forgot about that quote that was hilarious the fact response is like holy shit man the amount of mental gymnastics they gotta do when that cognitive dissonance hits it's

it's wild it's truly wild yeah that's why in my most recent video i i just dedicated a whole part of the video to facts versus feelings and how no one's only going off facts absolutely no one is every everybody has feelings and everybody's acting upon feelings and emotions you can't escape them because if you if you did escape your emotions then your brain wouldn't work it would just it would just short circuit yeah there is such a fear of feelings clearly from all of these men yeah i mean which is why there has to be an emphasis on fact rather than like i'm actually having feelings of terrible inadequacy yeah no dude the facts are it's fucking hypergamy, man. And fucking 80% of the women, there's only 20% of the women available to the other 80% of men that are out there because they're all going for the top 20%. So that's like we're already doing.

So the way they have to set all this shit up, it's really, it's really fucking. sense because right we're so averse to picking apart our egos or things like that or bringing any self-awareness to that that this is such a convenient way to avoid any kind of introspection or self-critique because those are actual those are those things are actually by default like impossible within the manosphere like i don't see many people being like man you got to sit down take an inventory of kind of what you're feeling maybe how things from your past may relate to this now it's always just like no let me externalize everything everything is happening outside of me because i'm fine but the world has gone fucking mad and now i just need to learn how to navigate that with my macho shit yeah which which kind of goes

against the whole right wing perspective of individualism in a way, doesn't it? Just sort of blaming everything around you. Truly. Yeah. Those are facts and they have nothing to do with my feelings. Okay. So I had never heard of Fresh and Fit or like a lot of the people covered. I did know Jordan Peterson pretty well at first. He's a friend and I think you were unfair.

No, he like the degree to which he has crossed over is kind of staggering when you when you look at like what he's saying and i mean hyper hypergamy is that we're calling what he's calling it like where women are like these domesticated animals who just like can't help but like respond to these instincts that make them find you report it's so like the psychological shit they're all going through like so many of the videos i think you you said at one point like come down to how ugly do women find me yeah they're obsessed with like hierarchies though they really want to put themselves on this hierarchy of how attractive they think they are

to every woman like every woman is looking at a man and thinking seven eight nine ten they're not they're they're extremely subjective in how they find a man how attractive they find a man and thinking seven eight nine ten they're not they're they're extremely subjective in how they find a man how attractive they find a man to be right whereas but but they're looking at women and thinking five six seven eight nine ten or whatever and they think that women are looking at men in the same way they're absolutely not women all have different tastes and most men do as well have all different tastes but they think that everybody thinks that the the way they do in this very sort of misogynistic way so yeah it's some women like blonde haired chads and some women like dark haired chads and that's it exactly those are the two tastes that you need a jawbone that looks like a upside down football helmet yeah the perfect mandibular angle is what all women

are looking for but what do you like who would you say is the the most kind of dangerous of these people who you who you've encountered the most dangerous person in the manosphere yeah by the way they are going to release a video after this saying with that i'm the most dangerous i i i would say probably jordan peterson because he's got the widest reach um he's got that whole phd i know what i'm talking about thing going on they all look up to him like when i made my video so many people in the comments were like jordan peterson isn't a part of the manosphere he absolutely is he's like the king of the manosphere so yeah i'd probably say him just because he's got the most reach and the most influence and he's being embraced by political figures too i think that's what also makes it

especially dangerous i mean like you know andrew tate is obviously like a scumbag and vile and has like a danger to society but like the level to which jordan peterson has sort of been you know nodded to or like his ideas end up kind of like bleeding into like right wing yeah sort of political speech and things like that yeah i i definitely see that because it's again it's that phd that sort of takes it from yeah this isn't a guy wearing a fuzzy hat and a feather boa and giant sunglasses this is a fucking phd okay they're saying the same thing but the fact that the phd is saying i'm gonna give that some more weight yeah andrew tate is also dangerous but he's dangerous in a much different way but like he he only really i think most of the

guys sort of into manosphere ideas kind of look at andrew tate and think he's a bit of an idiot so i think his i think his reach is is a lot is a lot less widespread than jordan peterson's and i think like especially since the whole trafficking allegations i think he he will say the opposite publicly he'll say that it's only improved his reach but i think it has actually diminished diminished his reach a little bit because there are there are actually some guys in the manosphere who are like you know i wouldn't go so far as to traffic women actually so maybe he isn't so great jokes about it but i won't engage in the traffic yeah that's a bridge too far i will make people believe

that i'm saying it not as a you know winky way but yeah yeah yeah i mean he's not the only person who has like bragged about committing assaults and you know sexual violence in in this world like that that was kind of shocking to me how many of these guys are actually saying that they're doing horrifying things like in in the videos like yeah yeah that's how you kind of see like the evolution of it starts off with a like keep your room clean if you want to attract a woman and then turns into like why rape culture is vaporware it's fake it's nonsense and it gets more and more you know violent and yeah it's really what the thing that really struck me too is this kind of like it's so weird how these manosphere figures who are like selling a course

or whatever talk about the benefits of this mindset of this mindset because all of their materials they use to sell these courses read like this fucking bizarro utopia in some 90s movie about being the coolest guy ever and you pointed this out in your video about the seduction devil and his course and like what he's prompt like this is what he's promising people okay uh and i thought this is really eye-opening from your video it says and this is from a manosphere course it's like 97 bucks or some shit and it says in just one week they're shocking across the board there's no end in seven um in just one week after getting inside you'll find yourself quote skipping the line at bars and clubs high-fiving the bouncers and befriending the staff okay uh attracting nines and tens effortlessly without saying a word

holy shit entering a cafe with your new girl receiving a warm welcome and discovering that your regular has already been prepared oh my god hey jack the regular all right i already had it here for you whoa baller who's that another one on your arm all right that's candy my man hey high five this fucking world doesn't even exist not even for people who they would even think are that cool but it's it's interesting to see how this like whatever their lack of uh meaningful social interactions or what they believe they want to be has created this like version of what they think is truly like what like is what they're just sort of telling on themselves it's like wait so your fantasy is to walk into a cafe with your new girl and someone's like your regular your ice your milk

with ice is ready okay do you drink milk with ice yeah thanks man the regular half yeah i drink half and half with some little bit of ice on the rocks yeah yeah it did kind of remind me of um like how the crypto scams work in a way. I don't know if you remember from my crypto video, the whole crypto land saga where they were like, oh, you could move to this special island where everybody just trades with cryptocurrency. And we have communal working spaces and everybody's going to have a Lambo. Right. we we have communal working spaces and everybody's gonna have a lambo and right but the whole thing was just so it was just yeah an absolute fantasy based on crypto it's not realistic at all but it's so depressing that their vision of utopia is being beloved by service employees like that they like walk in and like everyone at starbucks is like hey he's here like it's just

such an interesting like snapshot of like just dead soulless and end stage capitalism where they're like and then i'm gonna walk in and instead of treating me like I'm just there to spend money, they're going to really love me. And they're the bouncer is going to be like rules don't apply to you because there's no smoking in here. Oh, wait, it's you. Amen. Spark up, dude. You're the best. It's like, what were you not hearing enough in your life that created this version?

But again, I think it says a lot because a lot of people they are lacking this so they do like oh my god i would love nothing more than to passively attract a partner without having to do any work or any effort or that have the fear of failure of being rejected i'd rather just be like a human yeah yeah exactly i'm such a fucking baller that my my aura is enough to to bring all the boys or women or whoever non-binary people to the yard. But I think for this, it's mostly het dudes looking for women. But like, you know, we talk a lot about deaths of despair, you know, and how they're rising, especially here in the United States. clear that like america in this late stage capitalism era we're in is like unraveling and there's like a cruel irony that like all of this manosphere shit is like almost like this it's like a capitalist response to the chaos that has been sown by capitalism it's like rather than investigating any of that it's like let me sell you something that is absolute nonsense that will

actually send you into a darker hole. Like, you know, if these people were interested in making things better, there would certainly be some more, again, introspection analysis of like the forces that are shaping the world in which they live. But it's like the problem isn't capitalism. It's that women are superficial and demanding too much. It's not capitalism. It's's immigrants how do you sort of see the relationship between the manosphere and an unwillingness to like engage in anything that is like what what's a solution here it's because there's really no solution it's more like the world's fucked up this is how you'd be more fucked up to the world yeah it's i don't i honestly like i don't know what the solution is other than trying to sort

of give men a different sort of outlet because there definitely is like a problem i think specifically since the pandemic i think everyone like not just men are feeling a lot more lonely right and they've been looking online for solutions to that and specifically with the manosphere that this sort of gateway drug is when you look up videos on how to talk to women yeah to try and you know pick them up or whatever they get and like when you click on one of them i mean that the algorithm will just take you further and further and further into the manosphere. And until you eventually believe that women aren't actually sentient beings

at all, they're just sort of programmed to act a certain way. And you'll get to the pickup artists who will like literally give you a flow chart and they'll say like, it's like a dialogue tree that you can have with a woman. And they'll be like, if you say this, this and this and this, then you'll definitely get her in bed kind of thing right yeah and it is it's selling a very sort of simple simple solution to this very complex

problem of of loneliness which i think is a genuine problem yeah and i think that's exacerbated by dating apps because everybody relies on dating apps nowadays yeah and i i do sympathize with men on dating apps because men have a much worse time on dating apps than women do although women also do have a bad time but and that's why they're that's why they're leaving the apps which which leaves more men on the apps than women and that's why men will swipe right more on every woman that they see, and women will swipe left more because they're expecting, women are expecting a match with anyone that they swipe right on. So that will make, that will cause women to be more picky and men are increasingly not expecting a match with whoever they swipe right on so that will cause them to

be less picky and that just happens more and more and more and this feedback loop just happens even more increasingly all the time yeah until you get like a guy with barely any matches and a woman with too many matches and she doesn't know who to go on a date with so like both genders are having a really awful time but but that but But the mistake that the manosphere makes, and that's the excuse that they use to bring a lot of people in, is to say that this is like real life now because of feminism. But they've got no proof for that other than dating apps. But dating apps work that way for a reason because it's not real life because women have all left but

women haven't left real life women still go into like bars and things and you can still like women are still interested in making friend groups and so are men and i think we need to sort of try and get back to that sort of real life thing of of mingling in friend groups and you know making friendships that might turn into something else based on that whereas i think um nowadays we sort of rely on dating apps so much that a lot of men in the manosphere just like think that that's real life and that's right based on the behaviors that they see or how yeah things are being sorted. A lot of it seems to be inter-human relations that are mediated by capitalists. You know, the dating app profiles or the person who fantasizes about everybody in the bar who works at the bar liking them and it just feels like everyone's turned into a product like this is all part of this weird thing where we're trying to apply the rules of capitalism like late stage hyper

capitalism to our interactions and then we're like what happened why is everybody so lonely it's like it's the same way that we ruined sort of like restaurants with all of these food delivery apps and right it's the same way that we ruined all of like restaurants with all of these food delivery apps. And it's the same way that we ruined all of these taxi companies with Uber. It's because they tried to like laissez-faire capitalism all of these companies and all of these industries. And they tried to completely libertarianize them all. And they've done the same with dating as well. And then they've sort of realized that, oh, this isn't actually good for people is it like doing it like this let's take one more break and we'll come back and finish out talking about this we'll be right back

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Probably a Hollywood reporter. One of those places that makes you subscribe or you can get it through Apple News. But the headline is Hollywood Nightmare. New streaming service lets viewers create their own shows using AI. And the promise is the generative artificial intelligence, the autocomplete thing that ChatGPT does, is coming for streaming with the release of a platform dedicated to AI content that allows users to create episodes with a prompt of just a couple of words. Oh, wow. What would those words be that you think you would get a good show out of?

Step mom boobs. Right, yeah. Like, that makes sense to me. Like, if you're telling me that this is for porn. Yeah, 100%. That's immediately what's going to happen. And sure. If you told me that, I'd be like,

I bet that would be pretty popular. But creating long-form entertainment that competes with Netflix just seems... I don't even know how they think that's going to work. So I read the article and the example i was like do they have like an example that we can look at and they have this south park deep fake that is

so it's just a south park episode without jokes and where the characters instead of like doing anything just like kind of stand in a hallway and say lines toward the camera. Yeah. And all the South Park characters sound like tech bros. The questions are like they're... I mean, all the voices are just like... The voices are fine. But even the nuances between the characters...

They talk like tech bros. In this thing, right? It's like you literally pick who's the nuances between the characters. They talk like tech bros. In this thing, right, it's like you literally pick who's the hero of the episode, which characters do you want in the episode, and then what's your prompt. This one says, Cartman heard of the screen actor's guild strike and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So this is what the shit sounds like. That's ridiculous, Cartman. Is it ridiculous? Or is it so ridiculous that it just might work no it's definitely just ridiculous well then i guess you guys won't want to cut

of the profits when queepy takes off more for me then there won't be any profits cartman you're going to get sued not if they can't prove it now if you'll excuse me i have a deep fake streaming empire to build yeah uh-huh so and then cut to next scene where they're just delivering lines. Like I'm just repeating the same premise over and over again. And then they like, they they've seen episodes of South park before. So they're like, and then Tom Cruise makes a cameo,

but like, he doesn't do like, there's no content. There's like no ideas in it. There's no jokes in it. It's just like wait form inform a south park episode are they taking so you can write your own quote unquote write your own shows but it's is it all through existing ip it's not even like they generate new characters that

look like you or anything like that i think this is just like a demonstration of just like one of the applications yeah yeah how good i can be the far out version the far out version will be like i want to see a like steve mcqueen-esque movie where my uncle is the getaway drive you know like that kind of shit i think is what they they're trying to say is the fucking future but i think again the only shit that this stuff is good for is like playing around not like real creative shit so i think porn is probably the thing that would get the most use out of it because in a way like it's you're trying to externalize your fantasies in some way people People don't know how. Not everyone knows how to tell a story.

Just very functional, right? It's not like you're trying to have the subtlety of art with commentary or anything like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, again, I think hopefully, if anything, this helps people understand, like, man, I don't know how to fucking make anything, dude. Like, I tried to make a cool show with the fucking AI, and thought man fuck it i'm i'm bad yeah if everyone realizes they're out of their league they gotta stay in their lane and keep cool shit graphic designing or whatever right i recommend everybody why we'll link off to the south park episode it's worth like forcing yourself through five minutes of it just to like a sense of... Because I feel like it really

illustrates the people who are doing this and what they think is cool and just how depressing and bereft of any soul it is. Not that South Park is this

soulful thing, but it's just... It really is wild. It's hardful thing, but it really is wild. It's hard to describe, but it will make you want to do a hard reset with a... Theragun. Theragun to your temple. Yeah, just really get it out. So you're never going to guess

which actor does not seem to appreciate the limits of AI. That's right. It is Ashton Kutcher. He recently made headlines after sitting down with Google CEO Eric Schmidt and extolling the virtues of AI. He specifically heaped praise on generative text-to-video AI tools such as OpenAI's Sora, which we've talked about Sora before. It's the one that creates weird, trippy, very creepy video clips. It's getting better. See the new one?

The guy was eating ramen and it looked way better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hell yeah. They got the noodles down. And it did that by ingesting all of YouTube illegally. They just took everything off YouTube and like put it into this you know generative engine i mean allegedly yeah yeah if you ask the chief technical officer so they asked someone did ask the cto of this company and she was like huh you know i don't actually know

this is kind of an amazing dodge. Because like this journalist from the Wall Street Journal like made a prompt like a mermaid thing with a crab in it. But the crab literally had a mustache like on SpongeBob. And she's like, hmm, I feel like this isn't wholly original because I've seen a depiction of a crab like this elsewhere. So that's what got her to ask the question. Claire, they're coming for your paycheck. You know? At least my residuals.

Yeah, well, here she is defending. You know what? Don't worry because it's not, I don't know if we did. Maybe we did. I don't know. What data was used to train Sora? We used publicly available data

and license data. So videos on YouTube? Look at that face. I'm actually not sure about that. Videos from Facebook? Instagram? You know, if they were publicly available,

publicly available to use, there might be the data, but I'm not sure. I'm not confident about it. What about Shutterstock? I know you guys have a deal with them. I'm just not going to go into the details of the data that was used, but it was publicly available or licensed data. Yeah. Why the fuck am I on trial right now? What was it?

That's the most basic question about an AI thing. There's an input and then an output. And they're like, hey, why are you asking me about the input? Yeah, you're the CTO. And you're like, ah, shit. It's so wild when she said videos on youtube and her mouth literally went you've been caught in fucking 4k madame what are you doing you know and then to end that with you know i'm actually not going to talk about this wow stellar defense yeah you know i actually didn't

even think about that huh where does the video from? I just paid attention to like what came out of it. But yeah, you're right. There must be something going in. It's like you're the chief technical officer. Yeah. Yeah. They need a better. They need better liars in here.

Like, it's so weird that she thought you didn't do it. Bring back. Bring back the Theranos lady. Right. Are you not a powerful millionaire? Just lie and say you didn't do it. Bring back the Theranos lady. Right. Are you not a powerful millionaire? Just lie and say you didn't do it. Don't you know how these grifts go? You gotta lie all the way to the end

until people go, damn, all that shit was a lie. But I guess, I mean, maybe they are making it easier for us to be a little more discerning because when you do interviews like this, it just makes them look so fucking bad. So Ashton Kutcher was like it's gonna it's gonna make footage you could easily easily use in a major motion picture a television show like specifically i think he was referencing like establishing shots like outside he's like we're not gonna need people to actually we're not gonna need artists to shoot that shit i'm just going to invent things

and that does seem like a thing that it could do actually and that sucks that that's fucking terrible and instead of that being terrible he's like no this is the future well you better get on board but people are also pointing out also i like this line, someone was like, yeah, I think that Sora might be able to make an Ashton Kutcher movie, but not like a good movie, necessarily. That was Sean O'Connor. Yeah. And then, so he defended himself on Twitter saying Hollywood ignoring this is just going to like be catastrophic for everybody. Oh, here we go. What the fuck are people who like like right like what are the creatives

like 98 of the people in hollywood what the fuck are they supposed to do with this you know this is just a thing that matters to the like executives who are trying to like cut the bottom line like the people that he hangs out with like what is the dp who like does the establishing shots for a film like what the fuck is he supposed to do with this information that like and you've been replaced by a fucking ai software you should up your game so a director wants you to be the main director of photography that's nice you're not stuck out there yeah go to sleep earlier this fear-mongering shit where they're like if they ignore it it's going to be catastrophic like is that a threat they're like

because you know once ai comes then they're going to get mad at you for ignoring it yeah or that it's going to somehow revolutionize like i get that they're trying to say it's a tool but then when they also say shit like you know jobs are going to change we need to be prepared and you're not following that up with something actually radical about the nature of work then shut the fuck up about this well so the thing that i think the bait and switch they're trying to pull off the executive class here is they're using somebody who is like nominally an actor who is actually like a media executive. He has a venture capital firm. Cool.

Sound ventures. Your sound ventures. Yeah. He, he was able to start it in 2015 when, with nothing more than, uh, his beautiful face,

his business talents and, uh, $100 million from Liberty media, which Liberty group. That'll help. Yeah. So he's like a media investor and that's where this is coming from he's just trying to do the work of being like guys this is nothing to fear this is

the future and it's gonna make sick shit dude like you don't you don't have you don't even have the discerning abilities to know that danny masterson was a piece of shit so how the fuck am i supposed to be like yeah dude what about this technology stuff ashton because yeah like you said that sound ventures has like a 240 million dollar ai fund so they're so they're so deep in on this shit and this is the thing man every time kutcher starts opening his mouth about technology you have to presume it's a grift because he was doing this with crypto too like this isn't this is like his new thing like he likes to be like oh man these nfts are fucking sick man they're gonna make this new show called stoner cats or like doing funny videos with like the creator of like ethereum and trying to make sure like yeah dude we're just like out here just like trying to

figure out what this stuff is. He made a donation to Ellen, a charity that she was running, but as a crypto donation to bring more eyeballs onto it. Everything he does is about propping up his own investments. Yeah.

But it's... A lot of these famous people get rich and famous. And then the people they hang out with are other like media executives and like other millionaires. And so they're just going to think all this shit is cool and like think thoughts that like those people are putting in their heads. But yeah, I mean, this is this this is the thing that keeps going is like you know the new york times is embroiled in a lawsuit because they're like i'm pretty sure you're probably skimming our articles to train some of this shit yeah many industries are like

no like you keep saying you're skimming the internet for like to train these things so how the fuck could it not you you're you're constantly going like oh not that that's copyright and like the way that even that cto is like i believe it's publicly available like what do you mean that you can just access it or they're saying that the licensing it's it's available for any kind of use to the public and uh it was available to me in that i just like went in and fucking hacked that shit and ripped it off. Yeah, I used YouTube Downloader and I got it off there. Not me. I can't pay the passive paywall. I only get the first four sentences of every article.

I don't really know what you guys are talking about. You get the gist. I always kind of get the gist. Yeah. I wonder what will happen when this comes back to bite Ashton and his sweet little ass and there's a video that comes out of him like fucking a pig's head or something.

Well, he'll say that it was AI generated. Yeah, exactly. And then he'll issue an AI generated half-hearted apology video in front of a wooden wall with a fucking wrinkly t-shirt looking like he hasn't slept in a while.

I guess it's forever the circle. Yeah, do you think before that apology video, they had a person come in and make them look disheveled? No, I think they're both actors enough. I think they have enough savvy. Yeah. Because they had like these like poor poor us faces on they looked like they smelled bad you know because they're so stressed

i mean that is a good point yeah i mean like in a way i could smell the stress sweat yeah through the through the computer screen for that i feel like i feel like they had their hair and makeup person come through and be like but like this time like make us look like shit like make us like really make us down okay then I would say I would say you don't need me if you want to look like shit I would say don't put any makeup on it's that no makeup makeup look yeah

I was doing it yeah they're like you look like dehydrated yeah and yeah oh that's good that's good dehydrated I'm not gonna get dehydrated because that could totally fuck up my pH levels. Yeah.

Actually, that reminds me. I need to drink a gallon of alkaline water right now. Yeah, bring it over. Bring it over. Bring it over. Now I'm fucking freaking out. I'm freaking out.

Not always the best stories you hear behind the scenes about the Ash Man. But that's all. That's all I'll say about that. Oh, OK. The Tribeca Film Festival also getting in on the whole thing about the ash man but that's all that's all i'll say about that oh okay the tribeca film festival also getting in on the whole thing with some sora shorts which are short films created by

chat gpt's like video thing what a fucking slap in the face to people who actually want to make filmmakers like really yeah so they're they're to celebrate people who just typed a fucking prompt into it and being like, and that's an art form two miles. Okay. No, it is fucking not. But yeah, these are all created by Sam Altman and he is a genius. I swear to God. But yeah, people were also pointing out similarly like it it really always feels like you can just trace this bullshit back up to somebody who has hundreds of millions of dollars invested in this shit in this case tribeca film festival is owned by tribeca enterprises which is owned by lupa systems the company run by rupert murdoch's son james and lupa systems has multiple investments in ai companies including one that produces generative music which is my favorite genre of music yeah generative yeah because it will generate a fucking headache and crisis as you listen to it yeah but yeah yeah everything like that's what's

they make it so easy though like with these grifts like you just have to do a little bit of digging and you're like what celebrity where's their money who are they involved with so much information that i feel like people who don't listen to this show yeah and there are people like that still out there folks so talk to your friends and family but you know like i don't know if i was just reading headlines i'd be like man it seems like hollywood's warming up to a you know what i mean like it's just it's easy when when the mainstream media is like kind of in on the grift in this case like with crypto they were at least like somewhat skeptical but in this case it feels like the corporate overlords just have it so that

they're like ai wave of the future right yeah and then they have like the stupid human trick of like chat gpt seeming to be alive by doing auto complete really well and so that's enough to like get the momentum they need but just keep it to tricks man just keep it to fun party tricks stop saying it'll do that's all it is but yeah uh you think it's fun party trick well you're gonna be a fun party trick of history because this is the future of Hollywood I mean we already know it's happening on the podcast too like it's

not people are you know it could very well was written by AI that's why it was so bad I wrote that you stole that from my special party trick of history Wait, I wrote that. He stole that from me. He stole that from my special. Party trick of history.

Are they doing that in podcasts? AI shit? Yeah, there's a lot of trying to build voice models and things like that to be able to automate stuff down the road. It's weird. There's one that's been doing it for a while. That's like a comedy podcast that's they claim is all AI, but it's actually made by two comedians.

And it seems like the comedians are actually writing it. That's kind of funny. Yeah. Oh, is that that one? Will Sasso's involved? Yeah. I think Will Sasso's involved in it. And like, it just seems like it's a bit,

but there have been others that are like actually ai generated and i don't i haven't seen them catch on yet shockingly no because you can even like do you even see the ai videos that they have like the ai voices you see a lot more on like uh social posts like or like tiktok ads or things like that like because they're basically cutting out like cheap voiceover actors by just having ai voice like the the voice to text yeah it's so wonk like it does like these things that are you know adds a few pauses or things like that but it's still to the human ear you're like is this person like like take a bunch of volume and then a bunch of uppers or something and they're like they're completely cross-wired here it's very odd to listen to but again my hot take is that something worse than ai generated content like that or have you ever seen an ad on instagram where it's like a fake two people talking about a

product on a fake podcast oh you're like seemingly like oh this person who created this product happened to be on a podcast talking about it and they filmed it but it's clearly just for instagram yeah like that's because that's a popular clip that looks like style yeah interesting this is a podcast there's so many quote-unquote podcasts that are also just like that where they're like we just need to make like a two-minute video here. But let's just put mics in front of us with like a flat screen TV with a graphic. And then people are just like, oh, they're really talking about on that podcast. stand-up heckler clips where there's a stand-up talking about like yeah and you know when you have all these subscriptions and it's just crazy right and someone in the audience goes rocket money and then the the comic goes oh oh that's exactly right the rocket and like it's shot like a stand-up clip it's really freaky they do it with like three different fake comedians.

That's wild. I can't believe you haven't seen this yet. I don't know. That's usually on Instagram. Maybe it's on my algorithm specifically. But yeah, if you're heavy in the stand-up clips, that's what you're seeing. Love crowd work. Dude, there's someone so cool about all these crowd work clips.

I think that's the future of comedy. Just someone's talking to a bunch of people they don't know, not even doing material. And the thing they're saying, their brilliant observation is just how good a product is. I love that app. Oh, yeah. I love that app. We're all talking about it backstage. This Coca-Cola tastes good.

And there's no calories. This Coca-Cola tastes good and there's no calories. And that's what I like about the crowd work is just the exchange of ideas about what apps are cool. Wow. Unbelievable. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show. It means the world to Miles.

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