The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 327 (Best of 6/24/24-6/28/24)

Episode Date: June 30, 2024

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has really inspired the imaginations of people across the country with his YouTube searches and his niche interests. And obviously his love of cold brew. The poetry window? Well, consider that shit open. Because we are welcoming in our third seat, our guest today, Mr. Chris Crofton! Hey! What's up? Chris.

Welcome to the Chris Crofton Daily Zeitgeist. Ooh, okay. Such a lovely place. Such a lovely place. I've been through the desert on a horse named Chris Crofton. It felt good to be out of the Daily Zeitgeist. Ooh, love that Neil Young track. Those AKAs brought to you by me.

Damn. Wow, you did what? First you did The Eagles and then Neil Young, huh? I know. I forgot about that. Two champions of the white community. Last time. Last time I did not know that song, yeah.

I didn't know. You didn't know? I thought Horse With No Name was a Neil Young song, but it's not. It's some dude who is trying to be like nearly, I guess. What, what, what,

what? Yeah. No, some dudes trying to sound like Neil Young. Yeah. America. And then you recognize obviously part of Jackie's is AKA not like us, because like I was quizzing you before you,

you have intersected with the Kendrick Lamar beef ending track. Not like us. Yeah. And I cannot, I can't believe I'm just, I'm just humbled as a white man to know about it. Yeah. Well,

you know, and I, and I, and it's just a testament to how far that has gone. That a man, my age of my complexion knows about this fucking beef. Did you and I, Chris,

was it like a thing where you're like what what why does everybody keep talking about minors and stuff the fuck is going on and then someone broke it down or you just kind of naturally figured it out or were you on youtube enough that you figured it out i i just fucking i'm online yeah way too much and so i know about a little bit about drake being accused of that sort of stuff and then i but i didn't know i mean obviously and i know kendrick lamar a little bit but so i don't exactly know i don't know i don't mean i know i've heard this i've heard the song i've heard the song i just don't know exactly what is going on or yeah that's fine but i think that as far as i can tell it was a big win for kendrick

yeah yeah yeah and a big loss for Drake. Yeah, yeah. But I think he'll be back because Drake's like Avengers movies for the music industry. Like they need like they need him to generate hits. But we'll see. The brand is pretty fucked up, though, at the moment. So, I mean, I say this like Drake is going to sell records. Yeah, yeah.

When he makes a song and especially if it's a hit, it's going to get radio again. Yeah. When he makes a song, and especially if it's a hit, it's gonna get radio play. Yeah. But in the rap community, that nigga is cooked. Yeah, it's over. It's over. He is cooked.

People will not look at him the same. Like forever. Yeah, people are not looking at him the same. He will be viewed as like, mm, all right, to like hip-hop fans. Right, for sure. For sure.

Capital H hip-hop fans. Not Drake fans. Capital H hip- hop fans. Right, for sure. For sure. Capital H hip hop fans. Not Drake fans. Capital H hip hop fans. What is something from your search histories that's revealing about who you are? Alex, you want to kick us off? Oh, gosh. Okay. I don't.

The thing is, I don't think. So I use DuckDuckGo. And so it doesn't actually keep the search history. And if I actually look at my Google history, it's actually going to be really shameful. It's going to be me, like, searching my own name to see if people are, like, shit-talking me online. No, this is just how we tell if someone's honest, is if they actually give that answer. We're like, okay, so you are an honest person. You actually search yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, but I think the last thing I actually searched was like queer barbers in the

Bay area because I haven't had a haircut in like a year. And I think I need to trim up or, or get, you know, air out the, the sides of my head for pride month. So that's, that's,

that's the last thing I searched. What are you going? You're going full shaved on the sides? I think maybe trim it a little bit and spin it up the back and bring out the curls a little bit. Okay. Love it. On board. I wish I could bring out my curls.

You've got a few more days in Pride Month to get that done. I know. In July, you're like, you do discounts? Do discounts? I'm late. It's like after Valentine's Day. Do I get an undercut at 50% off now? Right, exactly.

Emily, how about you? What's something from your search history? So forgive the poor pronunciation of this and the rest of the story because Spanish is not one of my languages. But champurrado is something I search and search. Yeah. So I was in Mexico City for a conference last week and at one of the coffee breaks

they had coffee and decaf coffee and then they had champurado con chocolate o a Kenya. Mm-hmm. And each of the labels... You're kind of telling it

on the Spanish pronunciation, by the way. Don't mean to... Jack, give us that. What do you say when you see that word? Champurado Mexican hot chocolate.

All right. So, yeah. You're literally reading the Google results. So the labels all had like translations into English. And so it was Champorado with Oaxacan chocolate. I'm like, yeah, I got that. What's Champorado? And so I look it up because I want to know what I'm consuming before I consume it.

And it's basically a corn flour based thick drink. So like chocolate corn soup. It was amazing. Chocolate corn soup. You had me until chocolate corn soup. The corn is just a thickening agent. Thick chocolate drink. Thick chocolate drink with a slight corn flavor.

Like think corn tortilla, not corn on the cob. Yeah, yeah. Ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds amazing. Yeah. Itick chocolate drinks with a slight corn flavor. Like think corn tortilla, not corn on the cob. Yeah, yeah. Ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds amazing. Yeah. It was really good. I love some corn flakes in a chocolate bar. Yeah.

Corn and chocolate. There you go. You got to arrive in your own way as to why that appeals to you. That's right. So I'm back on board with the thick corn chocolate drink. It was really good. And just awesome that it was there. Like, you know, the coffee breaks had like the Mexican sweetbreads and stuff like that.

But otherwise it was pretty standard, like coffee break stuff. And all of a sudden there's this wonderful mystery drink. Yeah. The Big Urns. It was lovely. That sounds great. What is something you think is underrated, Emily? I think Seattle's weather is underrated.

Okay. Yeah. Everyone makes fun of our weather and like, you know, fine. Believe that. We don't need lots of people coming here. And it's true, it gets dark in the winter, but like almost any day you can be outside and you are not in physical danger because you are outside.

I guess that's I mean, if you're going for, yeah, that's interesting. But I mean, the winters are just so punishing though. It's so gray. It's dark, mean the winters are just so punishing though it's so gray it's dark but the weather it's dark it looks it looks like shit but experientially not bad for you i mean i yeah i know it's when does like it doesn't get all gloomy i imagine in the summer right you have wonderful blue skies and you can enjoy the

gorgeous fire season aside right but yeah from sort of mid-october to early january it can be pretty like it's gray and so like when the sun is technically above the horizon it's a little hard to tell yeah right right so but you know compared to like chicago where you have maybe four livable weeks a year between the too hot and the too cold. Wow. Wow. Don't do that because my thing was going to be Chicago because I was just there. And I was going to say my answer was going to be that Chicago is the best American city. I stand on this like 100%.

For two weeks out of the year. That's no, absolutely not true. No, I'll even deal. I'll even deal with the winter. I'll deal with the winter. I mean,

if I, okay, I'll be honest. If I didn't, you know, if the weather in Chicago, if the, if I could bring Bay area weather to Chicago,

I would live in Chicago. I mean, there's other reasons, but I mean, it i mean it's it's look the vibes immaculate street festivals the neighborhoods it's the one place that's the food it's still comparatively affordable compared to the coasts radical history you know just you know some of the best politics. I would say...

They shot Fugitive there. They shot... What did they shoot there? The Fugitive. Oh, that's a deep cut. I think they've shot a lot of Batman movies there because the iconic lower Wacker Drive and they call it Gotham.

That's pretty cool. Great city. Crappy weather. the iconic kind of lower Wacker Drive, and they call it Gotham. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Great city. Crappy weather, right? If you're going to dump on weather somewhere, everyone makes fun of Seattle's weather. Honestly, Emily, this is a hot take.

I'd rather take Chicago's weather than Seattle's weather. Wow. Because I can't do gray. I can do... I feel like I'm on Crossfire. I can do do gray. I feel like I'm on crossfire. I can do frigid. I cannot do gray. It's too depressing for me. This is why I say don't move to Seattle

if you can't handle our weather. The people who move here and then complain about the weather are the worst. What do you expect? What they say is true about it being gray. They're like, oh, I didn't expect it to be that gray. Right. Why do you think people talk about it like that? What is something

you think is overrated? I'm going Tesla right now, y'all. I just know. I finally rode in a Tesla and really paid attention to the feeling of riding in a Tesla car. And I gotta say, if you're gonna pay that much money for a car,

it's got to not feel like a weird golf cart that doesn't have any smooth ride. It sucks. It is not a smooth ride. I would much rather be in like a 1998, like Buick LeSabre if I want a smooth ride. But those cars suck to ride in. I'm saying they're overrated.

I remember the first time I got in one, I was so underwhelmed. Like, it was weird. I had built up Teslas in my mind like fucking crazy. And I remember someone I knew was like partner drove one and like picked us up to go somewhere. And first I fucking embarrassed myself

because I didn't know how the fucking door handle worked. Yeah, you can't get out. And I was like, I was like rubbing it. You got to push it. And then it comes out. I was like, all right. And then I was immediately like, man, fuck this door handle. And then I got in and then like everything kind of felt like, like not substantial.

Like when I pulled the door thing, I was like, is this like just PVC pipe? Like they wrapped in synthetic leather. Everything feels very just yeah not substantial transitory something like they're just you feel like yes it's fast and if it goes too fast the car might just kind of like fall apart around you like a cyber truck where the paneling will just turn it like into an air fin and bend backwards on the way i feel like we don't even need to talk about those it's just just like, you know, if you drive a Cybertruck. That's my honestly, that's like my favorite new like I was talking about this on the show the other day.

My new favorite like form of schadenfreude is watching the people with their Cybertrucks. Like, I can't. The fuck is wrong with my car? My steering wheel looks like a little Batmobile thing. Like my insurance company won't insure it. I think it's actually fully worthwhile to, like my new thing with Cybertrucks is if I see one, I actually turn and point and laugh and see, and see if I can ever get the person to like be like,

Hey man, what are you laughing at? Yeah. Well, yeah, it is pretty cool. Uh, why are you convulsing?

I don't understand. I don't know. And that, you know, obviously the Elon thing is, is, is hard to, to swallow. And I did, there was a time when I was like, yeah, Ev don't know. And that, you know, obviously the Elon thing is hard to swallow.

And I did. There was a time when I was like, yeah, EV is so cool. And now I'm just like, give us a train. Somebody give us a train. Somebody give us a fast, cool train like they have in Europe or Japan or whatever so that I can go somewhere and not have to drive and also not have my car drive me. I don't really want that either. I see your train and I raise you a train tunnel that my car drive me. I don't really want that either. I see your train and I raise you a train tunnel

that you can drive in. See, Jack, this is what we don't want. In this house, we believe the boring company is the future and it's not boring. I'm just picturing your yard with all your in this house signs. It's so many signs.

It's so many signs. People are like, why that guy keeps shooting me with an arrow. It's so many signs. It's so many signs. People are like, he's kind of lost his mind. Yeah. What's something you think is underrated? I don't know. Can I ask my daughter? She don't give a fuck.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. She don't give a good ass. I promise y'all. We're going to go after. Okay. Give me something that's overrated. Kids.

Kids. Okay. What's underrated. Kids. Kids. Kids. Okay. What's underrated? Abortions. There you go. What a juxtaposition. Underrated abortions, overrated kids. Oh, wow.

That's a really fucking good answer. Yeah, that's it. Is your daughter a comedian? She was quick with that. She writes on the show. I tell her all the time she needs to be a damn comedian. But she's not. Wow, okay, yeah. The apple does not fall far.

Kids are overrated. Let me tell you why I say they're overrated. Because you don't get the tax break you used to get for. Yes. Trump changed that. We don't get those great tax breaks. All those tax breaks you used to get for being poor, you don't get them anymore. They sold to be overrated. You used to get for being poor, you don't get them anymore. So they sold it.

Overrated. You used to get earned income credit. It takes a lot to get earned income credit. Y'all probably don't know what the hell I'm talking about because you don't need that tax break. But you used to get a shit ton of money per child. They don't do that anymore. Right. Yeah. I used to tell my kids back in the day, I said, when you're 18, I don't get an income tax return for you.

So that means we're done. Our relationship is over. Right. You have no monetary value. No, I mean, yeah, I just had my first child and I was like, I can't wait to see my taxes. And I was like, what? It's like I didn't even have... Yeah, I was like, this was the reality I was promised.

But no, no, no. You said it was purely an investment. You said, yeah, 100 100 100 percent money 100 exactly it was only an investment as you put it in the mama that was it very business-like he's very busy and the crazy part is you don't know how they're gonna turn out right i know i got a few right here i have a few kids right here that'd be like, I kept you. Yeah, but you got to love them the same. You got to love them the same.

I love all of my kids, but let me say this. As a parent, because I have a lot of parents in the same line, everybody got a favorite kid. That doesn't mean that my mother and father don't love everybody. I have a favorite kid. I love the rest of y'all, but this right here is my favorite.

And do you tell them that? Yeah! Junebug is my favorite. They know! Yes! Wait, and why is Junebug your favorite? I think because he was my last one. He was 10-2. He's just so sweet. He's my baby.

He's 23. But like that one I was just talking to? Yeah. She's a guy. Talk to me out there much. I'm curious. Yeah. See, I'm contemplating another child maybe down the road and that's my fear is

that i would immediately like start comparing them and be like oh man this one ain't shit compared to the other one not like in a aggressive way but that just merely by having multiple kids you have the ability to sort of compare and contrast and like and then from there you are kind of like yeah maybe i like the other one better or maybe i like this one better well everybody like one better but you get fake ass parents to say oh my god i love all of my kids no you don't one of them probably smoke dope you can't tell me if you got a crackhead kid that that's your favorite they ain't gonna say you don't love him and you ain't gonna do everything you can to get him off dope but that's your fucking headache.

Well, people will tell the truth. My oldest used to be my headache. She's straightening up now. I have two kids, but they're really close in age. So it's like back and forth. Sometimes I can't tell them apart. But they're... Back and forth between who the favorite is? Yeah, back and forth between who the favorite is.

But the younger one, really, he's still a lot sweet. Like, sweet most of the time. Whereas the older one is starting to, he knows what rolling his eyes means now. And that's, never forget your first time. You're like, what the fuck is that? All right. Let's take a quick break. all right let's uh let's take a quick break and we'll come back and we'll talk about all that cocaine that the president of the united states is going to be snorting uh tonight

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I mean, the whole thing was these are rules you agreed to. He's like, they're going to cut the mics off when you're not talking. They're like, yeah, you agreed to that. Yeah. Inside the rules as you agreed to them. I can't bring up. I can only have water and paper and pen up there i can't bring my big old books up there and other crap they're like yeah yeah you can't have any of that um but yeah it's like over the last couple weeks we've heard increased speculation uh from the right

about how joel biden is going to be higher than Method Man and Red Man on the Blackout album. And on Thursday, this is going to happen on Thursday night when they're scheduled to debate for the first time since obviously 2020. The excuses, though, really began trickling in over the last week as like, you know, Trump surrogates and people going out there doing the news shows. And Trump himself began like lamenting again the rules he agreed to or how mean Jake Tapper has been to him in the past. And Trump has good reason, I think, to not be excited about sharing the stage because, you know, not that poll numbers really matter, but every time he debates a Democrat, like in 2016 and

2020, his numbers dip when people were just like that juxtaposition is a little odd for some people like this person spoke in complete sentences and this guy was stalking a woman around the stage and while again polling is the whole game it's just like the last time 2020 that first debate with biden and trump it just wasn't a good look because trump came off looking like a fucking freak next to joe biden who was merely just an old man like standing on stage like he did When there were primary debates for the Democratic primary in 2020,

Biden was not good. He's not a good debater. No. My question is, who comes to these debates going, you know what? I've stayed pretty independent up to this point, and I'm just going to see what these two gentlemen have to say. What is this Trump guy all about? I'm just going to see what these two gentlemen have to say.

What's this Trump guy's all about? And I'm just going to base it on the issues. I've read their websites and they seem like they have some differences. I'm a Democrat, but I don't know, man. I didn't really see Trump do his thing like that before. I'm kind of into it now. I'm kind of interested in now. And I think it is disingenuous, right? I mean, do you know people that are like, I don't know, man, I just don't know if I can hold my nose and vote for Biden. And it's like I had this. This is a conversation where I'm immediately like, OK with biden is i'm i beg you to show me like a version that you find a better version of your beliefs in

trump yeah i mean it's just so hard because you're like especially with the biden stuff so many people are contending with the anger of how the two-party system just like forces you to be like obviously i don't want trump to be president totally but b Biden is completely unresponsive to anything that like matters. And what the fuck is this? But again, by both parties just trade off being the bad guy. So then the other one can raise funds and then, you know, they do the merry-go-round. But it's clear Trump is still fucking hooked on doing freestyle jazz talking up there, just flowing on some stream of consciousness consciousness word

association shit and on saturday in philadelphia i don't know if you saw that like epic rant he had about water and the sinks and shit like that a lot of like he's he's definitely in his water phase between like the batteries and the boats and the sharks and like dishwashers which he also period yeah this is his this is water era by the way that's something that like young children go like age three you go through your water period where like water is the coolest thing in the world and you have like your little water tables and you kept talking playing with water exactly he's in his water period at the moment um and if you this is a lot of people were talking about this but but just to give you a taste, like this is how the guy is talking when he's just talking. So try and like, imagine this on

a debate stage. No water in your faucets. You ever tried buying a new home and you turn on, they have restrictors in there. You want to wash your hair or you want to wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about ten times longer. The worst is your hair. I have this beautiful, luxuriant hair. Luxuriant.

And I put stuff on. I put it in. I like lots of lather. Because I like it to come out extremely dry. Because it seems to be slightly thicker that way what and i laugh anyway so this is i think i like a lot of people just like he's rambling he's talking he's trying to talk about like water restrictors and shower heads like this is a thing he's talked about

before but again he starts off trying to make some point about like what what about our water and turns into i like my hair real dry yeah thicker than we're just doing yeah he's just all right dude just freestyle man he's the king of riffs he's the king of riffs and think about how our toilets can't choke down his giant shits it can't be far behind it's just a prediction oh yeah yeah yeah we're talking soon we got to be talking toilet like again we're in the water phase. So, yeah, something with something something aquatic will turn up. But prior to that performance of ranting, he had an interview with some right wing blogger and said that they're like, oh, you got this. The guy was asking, like, you got this debate coming up. It's pretty intense. And he's like, yeah, I'm getting pretty. Just listen. This is what Trump was saying, like how he's fucking preparing for the debate. Being interviewed by a guy completely bald with a beard, just in case that wasn't. That's probably clear. I probably don't need to say that. Yeah, what a right wing blogger dude looks like.

Joe Biden at Camp David, as you and I stand here, your debate is Thursday with him. No audience. CNN controls the mics. Dana Vash, Jake Tapper. How do you feel about that matchup? Well, it's probably a one-on-three, and I've been doing this for a long time, though. We'll handle that, and people say, how are you preparing? I'm preparing by taking questions from you and others, if you think about it. But I'm preparing by dealing with you. You're tougher than all of them, right?

Well, it is a real pleasure to be here, sir. I know you've got a lot of fans waiting. So I welcome you to town, sir, and thank you so much for your time. You've been a great friend. Thank you very much, Chris. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President.

That guy has, like, tears in his eyes. Oh, yeah. I always love a Trump name gas. Yeah. He actually got his name right. Oh, he did? Nice. Thank you, Chris.

You're my best friend in this world now this is where you know i think most people become very skeptical because if if if you go off the answer of what he said his debate prep was like it's like talking to people like you i'm taking questions so in a way that's preparing isn't it and that sounds like you're not preparing at all because you're not going to go on the debate stage and if you are going on the debate stage and your version of preparing is just like completely whiffing on softballs from sycophants and that's your preparation for the debate of your life i'm again this this will be it'll just be straight up chaos because he's obviously going to be getting a ton of questions about all his

bullshit like felonies to january 6 asking about eugene carroll where he may fucking over like millions of dollars again by opening his mouth to rico charges fucking classified documents and talking to a guy who would never be like i mean like you know like did you really why did you have those classified documents that's not that's not gonna he's not preparing in any way this is why i think it's going that's not going to he's not preparing in any way. This is why I think it's going. That's why I think now we see that there's like reason that's emerging from the right, which is coming from a lot of people, including Trump, which is Joe Biden is on fucking crank. And there's no way he can debate a guy who's on fucking speed, even though I have

Joe Biden is on speed. I mean my prayer, is that Joe Biden does some speed before this debate, because as long as we get Joe Biden talking fast and walking quick, I think we win this thing. He's like, hey, hand me that computer monitor, Jack, and a screwdriver. Just see what's going on. Throw some Bordeaux on.

I'm kind of fucking amped, man. We put Joe Biden on some meth, and he will win the debate, and he'll steal a bunch of copper piping out of the debate stage. He'll take all the wiring out of the stage. I took the bike apart and I took the spokes out of the wheels, but I used a hanger to put the spokes back. It goes faster, man. Look, Jack, anybody can do this. Yeah, it is weird, too, how Trump always stages it.

I mean, even that clip was like a wrestling. It did did feel like well it's gonna be three on one this weekend they were standing in front of a giant american flag like doing the standing interview yeah in camera and i'm surprised trump didn't take the mic and go direct to camera but yeah the ronnie jackson aka fucking Feelgood, the old White House doctor who has had everybody pilled up. In both administrations, by the way, also the Obama administration. Yeah, he he submitted a letter as a congressman said, quote, I demand this is to Joe Biden. I demand that you submit to a clinically validated drug test in order to reassure the American people that you are mentally fit to serve as president and not relying on performance enhancing drugs to help you with your debate performance command is he the queen of

england yeah no and again like you're saying zach like this is this is a guy whose time in the and the white house was described as quote a wash in speed. Yes. Yeah. Like everything. They said apparently this, like, was staffers popping pills and washing them down with alcohol in large part to Jackson's leadership as chief medical advisor. Common pill requests included modafinil, Adderall, fentanyl, morphine, and ketamine, according to a Pentagon report released in January. But other unlisted drugs such as Xanax were equally easy to come by from the White House medical unit, according to sources.

It takes a step up at fentanyl morphine. It's like, yeah, wait, what? For what? The other ones are like, yeah, that's what I expect the White House to be running on, like Adderall, Modafinil. Stay alert, wake up, go to sleep. Morphine? But like fent? Quaaludes?

Can you even get those anymore? Right. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, we always talk about how his instinct is always to accuse the other people of doing the thing he's doing and he seems so high when he's up on the stage like just the way he's just rambling from one thing to the other and just talking about how luxuriant his hair is like it feels it feels like he's on like ecstasy or something yeah and it just feels like a guy who knows like i gotta i guess i gotta talk for an hour straight so what i'm just gonna talk about whatever the

fuck i want like you know he doesn't have to but he has to oh yeah exactly the only thing that fills the sucking void a good campaign ad for joe biden should just be taking Trump transcripts and having someone read back transcripts of Trump to potential voters and being like, so just a quick thing. When you hear Trump say, you know, because if there's a star in the crowd, you know, their cameras on my head, the back of the whole time cameras, they're the best. Think about the seats. This is a beautiful crowd and how we're going to get the water and then just be like, so what do best think about the seats this is a beautiful crowd and how we're gonna get the water and then just be like so what do you think about that when you mean by that just and just get the reaction yeah that should be the whole thing i think it's great i think it's uh i think it's awesome man uh-huh and what was he saying i don't know man i fucking love cameras man they're like magic uh just don't get them wet or uh near a magnet you know yeah exactly

you will get electrified shark will bite that camera i do think though like this is this happens every debate where especially the republicans this seems to be like a piece of accepted wisdom among republicans so you really need to aggressively attack expectations and that that does tend to work like that's why i'm just like is the mainstream media just like falling for the same bullshit every like that they fall for every time where like trump's like that biden's one of the great debaters of our time and he uh he killed like at the time i guess he said like remember when biden debated paul ryan and everyone was like biden's gonna get fucking killed and then biden like did fine held his own against paul ryan which in retrospect not that impressive paul ryan's a fucking dipshit but that like he did

better than expectations so now trump's like this guy's one of the great debaters of all time and he's gonna be so he's gonna be flying on peds up there and then he's gonna show up and like have the expectations set where he wants them so i'm a little i'm a little like i don't know he'll probably show up like it would be such a bad look for him not to show up like i don't know but he's already giving himself an out you know like because this is another thing he's like well he's gonna be on drugs i couldn't debate somebody and then he could just be like i'm not talking to that speed freak yeah he won't he won't take a drug test then i'm not gonna play like you know it would be a real bad look it was like i hope he doesn't show up because that seems like a terrible look is there even like because

even in this version right even if he shows up and completely shits the bed figuratively or literally yeah no one's gonna to be like, whatever. Yeah, like shit on it's going to be like, whatever. You know what I mean? Like no one's it's so it's hard to know because he's probably like, I'm not losing anybody. I mean, so like, what do I have to lose if I don't even go up there? But again, I know he wants to start windmilling about the fucking like like immigrants are killing people angle and that's going to be a moment for him to sort of you know try and press biden on something like that but

i don't know at the end of the day based on like how i don't know just he just seems very like he's just not into it but look we we don't fucking know but i also feel like maybe the debate polls are it might be like a thing with like the pepsi taste test where you know pepsi would win taste tests when it was like a little sip of pepsi versus a little sip of coke but like you can't drink a whole glass of pepsi without your teeth falling out feeling like they're vibrating. Like, I just feel like you're testing for different things. And like the, he always successfully like makes it horribly ugly in any debate he's in. Like I'd never leave the debate being like, well, he just got his ass kicked, you know, it's always. So I, I just feel like some of this is

like people like wishful thinking that he's not going to show up that he's going to show up and just like suck i don't like i i feel like it could go the other direction pretty easily not that that like this is just also me like this is the same comportment i take into my sports fandom where i'm like we suck we're gonna lose my 40 points but it does feel like i don't know it could go badly for biden just given what we've seen of him speaking extemporaneously yeah over the make no mistake they're both no i don't know who a favorite is going into this because just as easily trump can just suck all the fucking air out of the room and just keep harping on these like these same things and then biden's probably like i need a nap who knows

like what the fuck's gonna happen but i think asks for an actual nap okay he's like time out man time out can i get can we get like i need a nap and a caramel? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe Biden, maybe Biden, maybe the best plan for Biden is, yeah, let let Trump talk more and and and also get on some performance enhancing drugs that make him like super ripped. hgh at this point or something so that yeah it just looks like his best self how quickly can he look like a light heavyweight mma fighter physically yeah and i'm sure i'm sure joe rogan's got some tips so like let's let's get let's get him just shredded for this one yeah get his organs to grow and that would actually be the one thing that trump would respond to because as we know he's fucking always- Keep you fucking terrified. Oh my God. Guy came out there with arms like Christmas hams.

He's wearing a smaller suit jacket, isn't he? His biceps, they're bulging out of the sleeves. No, no, no, no, no, no. He looks like right out of Central Casting. Trump loves Central Casting. Yeah, he does.

You get a super strong president, Trump's going to like it. And these guys, they have big muscles, maybe not so much down here and here, but bing, up here. Up here. Huge brains.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We're back. We're back. And on your show, you've done some good stuff on just the surveillance side of AI, which, I mean, that turns out a lot of the technology that we initially thought was promising was just eventually used for the purposes of marketing and surveillance in the end. And it seems like AI skipped all the promising stuff and it's just like, what if we just went right to the surveillance?

We went right to the harming people. Yeah, I will say that kind of, I mean, you had mentioned that this term AI is kind of being used loosey-goosey and, you know, I mean we, AI

is kind of synonymous with large language models and image generators. But, you know, things that have been called AI also encompass things like biometric surveillance, like different systems which use this technology called, quote, unquote, machine learning. And which is kind of this large-scale pattern recognition. So a lot of it's being used, especially at the border. So doing things like trying to detect, verify identities by voices or by faces. I probably see this if you've been in the airport, the TSA has been using this and you can still voluntarily opt out for now but they're really incentivizing it i saw that tsa has this touchless thing now which is this facial recognition so you don't have to present your id you can just scan

your face and go and and like don't do that like yeah take every option to opt out and that this the fact that those signs are there saying that this is optional was it toana petty petty somebody actually petty yeah the only reason we had that science is because of her activism saying like this has to be clear to the travelers that it's actually optional and you can opt out so it's posted there that you don't have to do this yeah all right then i'm gonna up. Sorry. Those are just the rules. Yeah, it's just, it's absolutely. But I mean, it gets, it gets, you know, leveraged against people who fly to a lesser degree. But I mean, folks who are refugees or asylees, you know, I mean, people on the move really encountered this stuff in incredibly violent ways.

You know, they do things like try try to they take their blood and say that well we can we can associate your we're gonna you know sequence your genome and say if you're actually from the country you say you're from which is first it's pseudoscience i mean basically all biologists have been like you can't use this to determine if someone is xyz like nationality because nationalities are one political entities they're not biological ones and so like we can sort of pinpoint you to a region but it says nothing to say of anything about the political borders of a country there's a great book i started reading by petra Molnar, which is called The Walls Have Eyes, which is about this kind of intense surveillance state or intense surveillance architecture. but also the various points of entry in Europe where African migrants are fleeing places like Sudan and Congo and the Tigray region of Ethiopia. imagine and it's way far away from you know this kind of oh here's like a fake little child you know or a jesus holding 12 000 babies riding an america truck with the american flag on it you

know i mean right that's yeah so the reality is yeah much more stark and you see that you see the one-to-many image matching so you get all these false arrests of people because the ai said that they matched the image from the the grainy surveillance video and it's one of these things where it's bad if it works because you have this like increased surveillance power of the state and it's bad if it doesn't work because you get all these false arrests like it's just it's just a bad idea it just a don't. And it's not just image stuff. So we read a while back about a situation in Germany, I think, where asylum seekers were being vetted as to whether or not

they spoke the right language. So one of the things you can do with pattern matching is, okay, language identification. This string, what language does it come from? But it was being done based on completely inadequate data sets by people who don't speak the language, who are not in a position to actually vet the output of the machine. And so you have these folks who are in the worst imaginable situation.

Like, you don't go seeking asylum on a lark, right? These are people who can really... Because your Wi-Fi broke at home, yeah. Yeah. Right. And then they're getting denied because some algorithm said oh you don't speak the language from the place you claim to be coming from where the person your accent is wrong or your variety is wrong or whatever and the person who's who's run this computer system has no way of actually checking its output but they believe it and then you get these asylum seekers turned away. So how does that, you know, with everything you said,

how should we feel that OpenAI recently welcomed to their board the 18th director of the NSA, Paul Nakasone? Is that bad? Or what should we take from that? How should we feel? Not at all surprised, right? How should we feel when OpenAI is like, okay, bad is whatever the rest of that is, is bad.

Yeah. Seems bad, man. Yeah. I don't know. It seems like there's, again, we're talking like this technology to mass surveillance pipeline. And who better than someone who ran the fucking NSA? Like, and I know the way it's being spun is like, you know, this is part of cyber command. Like, and I know the way it's being spun is like, you know, this is part of cyber command.

Like he inherently knows like how, what the guardrails need to be in terms of keeping us safe. But to me, it just feels like, no, you brought in a surveillance pro, not someone who understands inherently like what this specific technology is, but more someone who's like learns how to harness technology for this other specific aim. Yeah. And so surveillance is not synonymous with safety. Like the one, the one kind of one use case for the word surveillance that I think actually was pro public safety is there is a study that long-term study in Seattle called the Seattle flu study. And they are doing what they call surveillance testing for flu viruses. So they get volunteers to come in and get swabbed and they are keeping track of what

viruses are circulating in our community. Right. I'm all for surveilling the viruses. So they get volunteers to come in and get swabbed, and they are keeping track of what viruses are circulating in our community. I'm all for surveilling the viruses, especially if you can keep the people out of it. Yeah, I would add a wrinkle to that just because I think that, I mean, there's a lot of surveillance. I mean, that's the kind of terminology they use with health surveillance to detect kind of virus rates and whatnot. I would also add the wrinkle that like a lot of those you know organizations are really trusted by distrusted by marginalized people like what you're going to do what to me you know like especially thinking like you know like lots of

lots of trans folks and like especially like under housed or unhoused trans folks and just like you're going to do what you want this data on me for who, you know? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Understandably. Especially because, because surveillance in general, like is not a safety thing, right? It's not, um, it is maybe a like safety for people within the walls of the walled garden thing, but that's not safety, right? That's yeah. Um, the other thing about this is that what we call AI these days is predicated on enormous data collection. Right. And so to one extent, it's just sort of an excuse to go about claiming access to all that data.

And once you have access to all that data, you can do things with it that have nothing to do with the large language models. And so there is, you know, this is, I think, less typically less immediately like threatening to life and limb than the applications that Alex was starting with. But there's a lot of stuff where it's like, actually, we would be better off without all that information about us being out there. And there's an example that came up recently. So did you see this thing about the system called recall that came out with Windows 11? So this is such a mess. So initially initially it was going to be by default turned on. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Right? Yeah.

This is kind of like the Adobe story too. Yeah. Yeah. Every five seconds it takes a picture of your screen. And then you can use that to like using AI, search for stuff that you've sort of, and their example is something stupid. It's like, yeah, I saw a recipe, but I don't remember where I saw it. So you want to be able to search back through your activity. And like zero thought to what this means for people who are victims of intimate partner violence.

Right. That they have this surveillance going on in their computer that eventually ended up being shipped as off by default because the cybersecurity folks pushed back really hard. And by folks, I don't mean the people at Microsoft. I mean, the people out in the world who saw this coming. Microsoft, I mean, the people out in the world who saw this coming. But that's another example of like surveillance in the name of AI that's supposed to be the sort of, you know, helpful little thing for you, but like no thought to what that means for people. It's like, yeah, we're just going to turn this on by default because everybody wants this, obviously. Right. It's like, no, I know how to look through my history. Actually, I've developed that skill. I don't need you to take snapshots of my desktop every three seconds.

But your show's covered so many kind of upsetting ways that it doesn't seem like it's people implementing AI. It's companies implementing AI in a lot of cases to do jobs that it's not capable of doing. There's been incorrect obituaries. Grok, the Elon Musk one, the Twitter one made up fake headlines about iran attacking israel and like public like put them out as like a major trending story you have this great anecdote about a facebook chatbot ai like responding to someone has this like very specific question they have like a gifted disabled child they were like does anybody have experience with a gifted disabled like 2e child with like this specific new york public school program and the chatbot responds yes i have experience with that and just like

made up because they knew that's what that's what they wanted to to hear and fortunately it was like clearly labeled as an ai chatbot so the person was like what what the black mirror yeah that was a good quote but world health organization you know eating disorder institutions replacing therapists with ai like you just have all these examples of this going being used where it shouldn't be and things going badly and like there's a a detail that i think we talked about last time about duolingo where um the the model where they they let ai take over some of the stuff that like human teachers and translators were doing before um and you made the point that like human teachers and translators were doing before. And you made the point that people who are learning the language who are beginners are not in a position to notice that the quality has dropped.

Yeah. And I feel like that's what we're seeing basically everywhere now is just the internet is so big. They're just using it so many different places that it's hard to catch them all, and then there's not an appetite to report on all the ways it's fucking up. And so, it just, everything is

kind of getting slightly too drastically shittier at once. And I don't know what to do with that. I would say, yeah. Well, go ahead,'t know what to do with that. I would say, yeah.

Well, go ahead, Emily. What you do with that is you make fun of it. That's, that's one of our things is ridiculous process to like, you know, try to try to keep the mood up, but also just show it for how ridiculous it is.

And then the other thing is, is to really seek out the good journalism on this topic, because so much of it is either fake journalism output by a large language model these days or journalists who are basically practicing access journalism who are doing the genius thing who are reproducing press releases and so finding the people who are doing really good critical work and like supporting them i think is super important yeah but alex you were gonna say well i was well though you just teed me up really well because i was actually gonna say you know some of the people who are doing some of the best work on it are like 404 Media.

And, you know, I want to give a shout out to them because they're, you know, these folks are basically, you know, they were at Motherboard. And Motherboard, you know, the whole Vice empire was basically, you know, sunsetted. And so they laid off a bunch of people. So they started this kind of journalist owned and operated place. And, you know, that focuses specifically on tech and AI. And these folks have been kind of in the game for so long. They know how to talk about this stuff without really having this kind of being bowled over you know there's people who play that axis journalism like um like kara swisher who like

kind of poses herself as this person who is very antagonistic but like you know right just like fawning over like ai people and yeah like all the time conferences yeah i trusted elon musk until i was like well why did you trust this man in the first place like did you know i was reading the uh the peter teal biography the contrarian and uh you know and like it's a very it's a very harrowing read i mean it was fascinating but it was very harrowing it wasn't an augur it was pretty like critical but like you know they discuss the paypal days you know 24 years ago when you know elon musk was like well i want to rename paypal to x and then and then everybody was like why the fuck would you do that people are are already using PayPal as a verb.

Effectively the same thing you did with Twitter. People are talking about tweet as a verb. It's been like an absolutely vapid human being with no business sense. Anyways, that was a very long way of saying Kara Swisher sucks. And then also saying that there's lots of folks, there's a number of folks doing great stuff.

So I mean, folks at 404, Karen Howe, who's independent, but had been at the Atlantic and MIT Tech Review and Wall Street Journal. Kari Johnson, who was at Wired, is now at CalMatters. There's a lot of people that really report on AI from the perspective of the people who it's harming, rather than starting from, well, this tool can do X, Y, and Z. We really should take these groups at their claims. But yeah, I mean, the larger part of it is, I mean, there's just so much stuff out there, you know, and it's, it's so hard and it is like whack-a-mole. And I mean, we're, we're not journalists by training. I mean, we're sort of doing a journalistic thing right now. We're doing commentary. I, I, I think we're, I, I would not say we are journalists. I would say we are doing a

journalistic thing. We're doing journalism, but we are not journalists. We are not doing original reporting. Sure, sure. But it is. Well, you know, I would, you know, I'm not, I don't know. I'm not the, I don't, I don't know who decides this is the court of journalism. But, you know, reporting insofar as looking at original papers and effectively being like, okay, this is marketing. This is why

it's marketing no they're there yeah rather than you know a whiz bang cnet article or something that is comes out of a content mill and says google just published this tool that says you can you know find 18 million materials that are complete. And we're like, okay, well, let's look at those claims and upon what grounds do those claims stand and how that's a pretty poor thing. I like to think what we're doing is, first of all, sharing our expertise in our specific fields,

but also modeling for people how to be critical consumers of journalism. So journalism adjacent adjacent but yeah definitely without training in journalism yeah but i think we want to do we want to do the m&m article math i mean oh my gosh there's this article that has like done broken our brains because it just has this series of sentences that i don't know that like because everything is degrading like journalism you know everything's degrading, like journalism. You know,

there's that story about like the daily mail was like, Natalie Portman was hooked on cocaine when she was at Harvard. You're like, no, that was from that rap she did on SNL. And that was like a bit, but because ingested, this thing's a scrape.

And then the daily mail had to be like, at the end, they corrected it. They're like, uh, just, she was not, that was obviously a satirical.

And that was due to human error. Like they really leaned into that. You're like, no, yeah, That was obviously satirical. And that was due to human error. Like they really leaned into that. You're like, no, yeah, of course. Did I say by the time that a fabricated quote of mine came out of one of these things and was printed as news? No. So I also, like Alex, have searched my own name because I talk to journalists enough that I like to see what's happening. And there was something in an outfit called Bihar Prabha that attributed this quote to me, which was not something I'd ever said. And not anybody I remember talking to.

So I emailed the editor and I said, please take down this fabricated quote in print of retraction because I never said that. And they did. So the article got updated, removed the thing attributed to me. And then there was a thing at the bottom saying we've retracted this. But what they didn't put publicly, but he told me over email, is that the thing came out of Gemini and they posted it as a news article. And you know, the only reason I discovered it was it was my own name. And like, I never said that thing. Well, I need your expertise here to decipher this food and wine article that was talking about how M&M's was coming out with a pumpkin pie flavored M&M, but very early.

Normally pumpkin pie flavored things don't enter the market till around August, like around when fall comes. But M&M. This is why we were covering it because we are journalists. And so we are the important stories. In May, pumpkin spice already? No. But again, they were saying this is because apparently Gen Z and millennial consumers are celebrating Halloween earlier.

But this is this one section that completely. Wait, wait, can we back up? What? Yeah, I don't know. That's what they're saying, according to their analysis that. OK. We were that we. So let me read this for you.

Quote, the preseasonal launch of the milk chocolate pumpkin pie M&Ms is a strategic move that taps into Mars' market research. This research indicates that Gen Z and millennials plan to celebrate Halloween by dressing up and planning for the holiday about 6.8 weeks beforehand. Well, 6.8 weeks from Memorial Day is the 4th of July, so you still have plenty of time to latch on to a pop culture trend and turn it into a creative costume. I don't... It's all chaos. It doesn't make any sense.

I know, look, Alex. I'm fixating on 6.8. Exactly! What does that even mean? Where did Memorial Day come from? and what is 6.8 weeks for memorial day because it's not any of the days that they said it was they said july 4th like and also 6.8 eight weeks isn't a real amount of time that's 47.6 days yeah what is what is even

a 6.8 week so so if this were real it's possible that they surveyed a bunch of people and they said, when do you start planning your Halloween costume? And those people gave dates and then they averaged that. And that's how you could get to. I get that. I get that. That's fair. But also, it totally sounds like someone put into a large language model, write an article about why millennials and gen z are planning their halloween costumes earlier something like yeah it sounds like that but also just so odd to say well 6.8 weeks from memorial day is the 4th of july this article didn't even come out like it came out after memorial day and yeah it's just nothing made sense and i was like i don't fucking understand what they're doing to me right now.

But again, this is like the insidious part for me. This appeared in Food and Wine? This is in Food and Wine magazine with a human like in the byline. And I actually DM'd this person on Instagram. And I said, do you mind just clarifying this part? Like, I'm a little bit confused. And I've gotten no response. I'm wondering if it's because I know that, I mean, there was some good coverage in Futurism.

And they were talking about this company called Advan Commerce. And the way that basically this company has been basically making AI-generated articles for a lot of different publications, usually on product, like product placement. Right. And so it makes me think it's sort of like, because food and wine may have been one of their, I forgot the article, but they had like, you know,

Better Homes and Gardening, and kind of these legacy articles like that. So I don't know if it's something of that, or this journalist kind of said, write me this so i don't know if it's something of that or this journalist kind of said write me this thing and i'm just going to drop it and then right go with god you know yeah yeah it's my other favorite example of as this headline i saw somewhere it's no big secret why van vought isn't around anymore and with a picture of vince vaughn but they just like got his name completely wrong yeah it's no big secret why van vaught isn't around anymore i'm like i'm certainly not

you know if i was just scrolling and i just and i'd say like yeah i you know it's like you know i liked van vaught and the intern and then yeah but I liked Van Vought and The Intern. And then I would have looked at it and then I would have double taped. I'm like, wait, wait, wait. Did he co-star with Owen McWilson or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Russell Wilson was in that.

I think it was the Adweek reporting that you're thinking of, Alex. So Futurism did a bunch of it, but then Adweek had the whole thing about Advan. And I can't quite get through it. No, it was Futurism, yeah, because Adweek had the thing on this program that Google was offering, and it didn't have a name. Oh, right. So Advan was

Futurism. Yeah, but it totally sounds like one of those. But it is happening, yeah. See, I thought you were going to talk about the surveillance by M&M thing when you said M and M's. So this was somewhere in Canada. There was an M and M vending machine that was like taking pictures of the students while they were making their purchases. And I forget what the like ostensible purpose was,

but the students found out and I got it removed. Wow. Probably freaked out and made a big deal about it. Oh, we're taking pictures. Are we right? All right. That's going to do it for this week's

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How do you feel about biscuits? Hi, I'm Akilah Hughes, and I'm so excited about my new podcast, Rebel Spirit, where I head back to my hometown in Kentucky and try to convince my high school to change their racist mascot, the Rebels, into something everyone in the South loves, the biscuits. I was a lady rebel. Like, what does that even mean? It's right here in black and white in print. It's bigger than a flag or mascot. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.